Fallout of the Titanic disaster

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  • In this video we cover the events that occurred following the sinking of the RMS Titanic. We talk about the actions of Bruce Ismay as well as the actions of the white star line. We also discuss the inquires into the disaster, the lawsuits that were filed and what the white star line did to the passengers and victims of the Titanic following the sinking.
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  • @jgatzby4263
    @jgatzby4263 3 ปีที่แล้ว +340

    Ismay: ‘No maritime person in human history will ever have a worse ship sinking reputation than me.’
    Captain Coward (Schettino): ‘Hold my mistress, hold my liquor, and hold my seat on the life boat.’

    • @retrostuff8976
      @retrostuff8976 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Sad but true

    • @johnwang4793
      @johnwang4793 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Underrated comment

    • @TheWPhilosopher
      @TheWPhilosopher 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      I particularly like De Falco telling him to get back on the £&*6ing ship and do his job.
      I bet if he could have he'd have gone to the lifeboat and dragged Schettino back on board.

    • @OneProudBBC
      @OneProudBBC 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      The Sewol Captain: Hold my students from Danwon High School.

    • @jordanjoestar-turniptruck
      @jordanjoestar-turniptruck 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@OneProudBBC that one wasn't even cowardice; it was basically mass murder.

  • @johnkaczinski468
    @johnkaczinski468 3 ปีที่แล้ว +298

    Sam… How about the history of the White Star Line from the sinking of the Titanic until it’s demise. I think that would be a good follow up to this video. Thanks!

  • @shawnehutchison7389
    @shawnehutchison7389 3 ปีที่แล้ว +151

    What about charging the crew's families for the dead crew members for the lost of the uniforms that the crew died in? Pretty scummy.

    • @kamranpal909
      @kamranpal909 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      What!?, say What!? How dare they ever charge dead crew member's families with that!? those crew were heroes in my opinion they did everything they could possibly do and saved as much lives as they could and gave their lives for it and who cares about a few uniforms? I'm pretty sure they could make a thousand more more uniforms. How they never even tried to think of it this way!? I hate you White Star Line, you got what and deserved and F@#K You all !

    • @rzum81
      @rzum81 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I didn’t know that. I was only aware of the musicians families having to pay for their tuxedos and instruments.

    • @johnrondina3277
      @johnrondina3277 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I was thinking just that.

    • @danielueblacker9118
      @danielueblacker9118 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      to say the least.

    • @RedOctoBear
      @RedOctoBear 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      It wasn't just uniforms either, I think I remember reading that the family of the one of the ship's band was charged for the missing Violin as well.

  • @davidkraft314
    @davidkraft314 3 ปีที่แล้ว +82

    This whole thing shows how shady the White Star Line really was. Sending representatives to the victims, making them sign wavers that they could not and would not sue for damages, plus sending bills to the surviving family members for the band to get compensation for the tuxes that went down with them. Absolutely horrendous.

    • @I.am.Sarah.
      @I.am.Sarah. 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      They also asked for compensation for the lost instruments

    • @davidkraft314
      @davidkraft314 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@I.am.Sarah. shady

    • @trevorbluesquirrel899
      @trevorbluesquirrel899 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      The musicians' agency, C. W. and F. N. Black, actually sent the uniform bill, though WS didn't offer to cover it!

    • @carlgharis7948
      @carlgharis7948 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@davidkraft314 in today's money that's about $700. Still really nothing especially from a company with such extra money. I mean let's say I drop you off in New York tomorrow.. you have no luggage oh here's $700. Not exactly going to really help you expecialy if you haven't any money to begin with like most if not all of the lower class did.. okay I have $47 cash in my wallet right now.. obviously if I didn't have my bank card or checkbook that's all I'd have if I were suddenly dropped in New York.. oh.. somebody gives me $700. Cool I have $747.. well if I didn't have a job or a home like thankfully I do.. just how far both literally and figuratively speaking would that get me?

    • @AlexRN
      @AlexRN ปีที่แล้ว

      They WHAT? WHS really tried to charge the families of the e band members for the instruments and tuxes lost?! That is the most petty thing I’ve learned about this whole thing. Did they got paid?

  • @HyperVegitoDBZ
    @HyperVegitoDBZ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    Well, a 100 years later, Carnival Cruises is the deja vu of this story, minus the bribing fragment

    • @retrostuff8976
      @retrostuff8976 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      People never learn from history

    • @the_rover1
      @the_rover1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      "vado a bordo, cazzo!"

  • @kay2h714
    @kay2h714 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I love all your videos, but this was one of the most interesting of them all. I wish more people would watch this one. I’ve watched tons of videos on the Titanic, and this episode was one I had no idea about. The horrible actions of the White Star Line following the disaster...terrible.

  • @Bernie28Ing
    @Bernie28Ing 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Sam your videos are not only educational but when you add your personal beliefs it shows what kind of person you are. You care and in this day and time that is rare. Thank you for sharing the history and thank you for putting your heart and soul behind it

  • @Stand_with_Israel
    @Stand_with_Israel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    Did the passengers even know who ismay was at the time
    I feel like a lot would have only seen him as another survivor

    • @johnking5174
      @johnking5174 3 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      First class passengers certainly knew him, as he was a fixture in the first class public rooms during the voyage. Some second class would know him, third class passengers had no idea.

    • @carlgharis7948
      @carlgharis7948 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ya I was going to say the same thing as the other person 1st and probably 2nd class passengers most of them would of known who he is.. 3rd class well a few of them might of but likely 90% wouldn't...

    • @Whitneypyant
      @Whitneypyant ปีที่แล้ว

      The first class passengers yes. The second and third class passengers no. Ismay, I believe to stay in the first class area so they would know.

    • @User_92020
      @User_92020 ปีที่แล้ว

      The first class passengers most likely did. The passengers were segregated by class.

    • @fmyoung
      @fmyoung 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      1st class probably knew (some of the passengers and crew anyway), whether 2nd and 3rd knew him I'm not sure

  • @WileyCylas
    @WileyCylas 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    In high school we did a play based on the trials of Ismay.
    I was fortunate enough to be Molly Brown.

    • @Allylonng1416
      @Allylonng1416 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      When I was in school our teacher made a bowl of water that was as cold as that water and we could leave once our lifeboat was launched I was lucky enough to be lady duff Gordon who was out with the first lifeboat

    • @fmyoung
      @fmyoung 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Good for you

    • @fmyoung
      @fmyoung หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Allylonng1416 Oh - lifeboat #1; okay. (The very first lifeboat to be lowered was actually #7 the one which took William T. Sloper who reportedly dressed as a woman which he truly never did)

  • @hangmann747tinmann8
    @hangmann747tinmann8 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    WOW, I've been watching you during this Titanic run, I have been surprised thus far with your "being ok" with so many issues of that night. But WOW, to see you with emotion finally toward the BS of the WhiteStar line was so cool!

  • @AGNETWORKFC
    @AGNETWORKFC 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Fantastic Video Sam. I’ve got to say I’ve been a Titanic enthusiast since a very young age and your channel is exceptional in terms of your deep knowledge and the brilliant enthusiasm you have for the subject. I’ve sent a couple of other titanic enthusiasts your way. Keep up the fantastic work!!

  • @lady_v3nus
    @lady_v3nus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    I always thought the same; "Ismay was a coward. What a piece of 💩. It was all his fault"
    But after hearing you, I feel really bad for him. Yes, he died the night Titanic sank

    • @lady_v3nus
      @lady_v3nus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Thelawofficesofjameslarrasmith He wasn't the only.
      And yes, maybe he was a coward. But like him, many people did. And people treated him like shit just for be the president of th white star.
      Sir Duff Gordon payed for can get into a lifeboat

    • @HyperVegitoDBZ
      @HyperVegitoDBZ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@Thelawofficesofjameslarrasmith Yep, because you would have stayed lol

    • @laylaleannejepson7
      @laylaleannejepson7 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@lady_v3nus apparently he paid them because they stopped being paid after Titanic sank. But I know there's rumours he paid as a bribe not to go back for anyone else. None of us would know for sure as we weren't there xx

    • @thegoodsisjas
      @thegoodsisjas 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He was the reason the ship was steaming at full speed, at the end of the day it's the captains decision, but he persuaded him to going that fast to try to beat Olympics record. He put everyone in harm's way for profit. In his mind knowing this he still saved his own life and you and Sam feel sorry for him? Lol ok

    • @MrMirville
      @MrMirville 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Actually Ismay might have staged the whole sinking on the orders of bankers who wanted to get rid of many fortune owners on board that opposed the setting up of the FED that was to be signed soon.

  • @bigbussylips3354
    @bigbussylips3354 3 ปีที่แล้ว +78

    My paternal great grand parents are from Denmark and actually sailed over to America a week after the titanic sank. They saw titanic debris in the water.

    • @ChickVicious237
      @ChickVicious237 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      That must have been quite a sight. Thank you for sharing

    • @lifewithcarrie88
      @lifewithcarrie88 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      How sad 😢

    • @the_rover1
      @the_rover1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      if they had stopped and happen to pick it up, you could be millionaire today!!!
      oh, that was rude, I get that.

    • @xNobodyOfConsequenceX
      @xNobodyOfConsequenceX 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      My mom's grandparents came from Denmark just before WW1.

    • @42LGK
      @42LGK 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@xNobodyOfConsequenceX my parents came home from greece yesterday

  • @EffequalsMA
    @EffequalsMA 3 ปีที่แล้ว +77

    I love how genuinely surprised and innocently appalled you sound with the actions of corporate psychopaths. Nothing has really changed in the intervening 108 years....

    • @EffequalsMA
      @EffequalsMA 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @Andreas Glad sadly evidence for corporate psychopathy and lack of concern for human beings abounds. Where do I even start with exemplars there....Tesla, Amazon, Flint water, etc. etc. Corporations that abuse customers, employees don't get a free pass because they supposedly create jobs...oh wait, they actually do, in the main. Tax breaks, bought and sold politicians, special contracts. It happened in 1912 but, it's reached a master class of perversion today.

    • @jameshudkins2210
      @jameshudkins2210 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@EffequalsMA Don't feed bad behavior. Don't hold their stock. Don't accept or retain their employment. Do not patronize their business. Make other arrangements. Then you can complain. Then you won't need to complain.
      Some people talk as an excuse for inaction.

    • @taraswertelecki3786
      @taraswertelecki3786 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Actually, a whole LOT has changed, for the worse.

    • @EffequalsMA
      @EffequalsMA 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@taraswertelecki3786 Yeah, from Robber Barons to Tech Czars. The wealth disparity is worse now than it's been at any point since the Middle Ages.

    • @janfranklin5269
      @janfranklin5269 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @FatalPies kiddy fiddlers are amomg the good ones though. Nothing wrong with kiddy fiddling

  • @kaisertrinityt.m.i.s1607
    @kaisertrinityt.m.i.s1607 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    yesterday was Robert Ballads (the one who found the Titanic) birthday. He really did something very good and impressive

    • @fmyoung
      @fmyoung 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Robert Ballard's you mean yes

    • @fmyoung
      @fmyoung หลายเดือนก่อน

      He was the right person to lead the expedition to find the wreck

  • @ScatteredCollector
    @ScatteredCollector 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    4:55 Ismay died mentally and spiritually the night Titanic sank - thats a very powerful statement and one I personally agree with

  • @stephenhemingway8218
    @stephenhemingway8218 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    you forgot to mention about sending bills for clothing to deceased members of staff and crew. and also stopping the pay when the ship went down

  • @carrot5703
    @carrot5703 3 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    Some people say that there was a ship named Samson near Titanic but it ignored the distress signals. Do you believe in this?

    • @jokekopter2509
      @jokekopter2509 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Actuly yes if you sleep on work

    • @vodka2432
      @vodka2432 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Hey name neighbor!

    • @Noo11094
      @Noo11094 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      That is trrue

    • @WalterKehl-p7s
      @WalterKehl-p7s หลายเดือนก่อน

      That wasn't the Samson that was the Californian. Some of the Californian's defenders, the Lordites, assert that the Samson was around and allegedly hunting seals but hightailed it out of there when she noticed "other ships". First, the Samson was in Iceland at the time (not even the Mauretania's mighty turbines would've got her there in time for the show); second, seals don't venture that far out into the sea from land.

    • @WalterKehl-p7s
      @WalterKehl-p7s หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jokekopter2509 Are you from Hungary? Or Hungarian? I just couldn't help noticing the emblem next to your handle :-)

  • @glennh3855
    @glennh3855 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Brilliant video. People need to appreciate the how British social norms in force at that time impacted the situation and decisions.
    Seeing and hearing the passion on your face and in your voice when discussing the actions of the White Star Line's actions after the sinking made me appreciate your work on a whole nother level. Well done!

  • @elizabethbryan6543
    @elizabethbryan6543 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I love watching these videos. I have a hard time relaxing. So I watch one.

  • @Stand_with_Israel
    @Stand_with_Israel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hell yeah
    I literally asked for this video a few days ago
    Love seeing a TH-camr that listens to the fans

  • @michaelchristman2329
    @michaelchristman2329 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I have a What if Scenario(s): What if the iceberg damage stopped at boiler room 6 and did not open boiler room 5 and it coal bunker to the sea?
    2 What if Titanic's crew had collision mats to drape over the damaged section of the hull to try and staunch the flow of water into the ship?

    • @stfjinkiojd
      @stfjinkiojd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      For the first one, it's possible that the ship could have survived with a small starboard list and the bow slightly pulled down or the sinking would have taken a lot more time, allowing the Carpathia rescue more people.

  • @miliiflowers
    @miliiflowers 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I'm watching this wearing my new Historic Travels hoodie! Sooo excited to finally have it, such good quality i'm in love with it ♥️
    So now there is Historic Travels merch in Argentina 😅

  • @amymorgan1844
    @amymorgan1844 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    TH-cam suggested a video a week ago and I immediately got hooked and have been binge watching ever since. I don’t think I ever learned this much about anything in such a short period of time. 🤷‍♀️

  • @stt5v2002
    @stt5v2002 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    There is only one thing worse than being hated and thought of as a coward. And that’s freezing and drowning. Well actually there are many worse things than people not approving of you.. But freezing and drowning is definitely on the list. Near the top.

    • @stewoe7157
      @stewoe7157 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well, I think I'd choose the latter. Rather than having to live with the fact that more than a thousand people died because your company didn't put enough life boats on the ship, and on top of that was going too fast, with your knowledge.

    • @RaptorJesus
      @RaptorJesus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @Tyler Peterson Wait. Why? They own the ship, they aren't involved in the workings or captaining of it. They just paid for it, as in literally, they paid for it. They don't build, or run or so on anything regarding the ship. They'd be just as much a passenger as you are.

  • @Thankingyou1
    @Thankingyou1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is an excellent video but I would like to see more about the passengers that survived and what the rest of their lives were like. Their occupations, their marriages, their children, their descents and what they are doing who are alive to this day.

  • @JeffreyBarkdull
    @JeffreyBarkdull 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If I was head of White Star Line, I would still pay compensation to the Victims whether it was my fault or not

  • @JRNarian
    @JRNarian 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I honestly love your videos and your presentation style. You have such a good, compassionate heart.

  • @opo6206
    @opo6206 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’ve kinda been stopping to watch your videos because I am doing other history topics and I recently came back to your videos and realized how good they are.

  • @davinp
    @davinp 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    I finally got the book On A Sea of Glass. It arrived 2 weeks after I order it. I saw my local bookstores, Barnes & Noble and Books-A-Million at the mall do not have in stock on the shelf, so I had to be ordered online

    • @Nugget_man7269
      @Nugget_man7269 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @packadd it’s good very much reccomend

    • @mattt233
      @mattt233 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's on Kindle if you have one. Just FYI

    • @Nugget_man7269
      @Nugget_man7269 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mattt233 who the actual fuck has a kindle

    • @mattt233
      @mattt233 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Nugget_man7269 I read a lot but no room for books so I have it to read. But I do believe audible is available on iPad as well. Just saying it's available on digital too. You don't have to wait on shipping just download it and start reading.

    • @southernbyways2513
      @southernbyways2513 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Davin Peterson I used to manage a Books-A-Million. On A Sea of Glass is published by a UK publisher, so, unless the book is a mega bestseller, no store in the US will stock it. I don't recall us stocking OASOG when it first came out.

  • @sallykohorst8803
    @sallykohorst8803 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Boy I am glad to hear more of after arriving in new New York. Thanks so much

  • @LDDavis911
    @LDDavis911 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I remember watching a documentary a few years ago that said the families of crew killed in the disaster were sent bills for the lost uniforms. Does anyone recall that? Great video by the way.

    • @paulboger7377
      @paulboger7377 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The band leader's wife was sent a bill. I don't think it was paid though.

    • @trevorbluesquirrel899
      @trevorbluesquirrel899 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The musicians' agency, C. W. and F. N. Black, actually sent the uniform bill, though WS didn't offer to cover it!

    • @beneddiected
      @beneddiected ปีที่แล้ว

      @@paulboger7377 *fiance

  • @SubconsciousTales
    @SubconsciousTales ปีที่แล้ว

    I have become addicted to this channel. 😊

  • @SnowWolf597
    @SnowWolf597 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I don't think any of the survivors deserved any backlash for simply surviving. It's a human instinct. I'm sure things were different back then or maybe there wasn't as much information about it or something. But I am glad that there were survivors since they have brought valuable information about the sinking, which in turn led to more lessons learned (and fascinating stories).

  • @tomcameron96
    @tomcameron96 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It would be interesting to see the court documents that are available to have a look at. Keep up the great work. 😊

    • @retrostuff8976
      @retrostuff8976 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Can you fine the original transcripts from the inquiry ?

  • @FoxMcCloudV2
    @FoxMcCloudV2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You should do a video about the MTS Oceanos sinking in early August, since that will be roughly 30 years after the incident.

  • @stampede122
    @stampede122 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Basically, Ismay had an character assassination (unfairly) in the aftermath

  • @0mally13
    @0mally13 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    YOU DA MAN, SAM ! ! ! ! THANKS FOR ANOTHER INTERESTING VIDEO AS USUAL. I can't even fathom the amount of research you must have to do to tell these stories...🙏🏼 nothin but props my friend 👏🏼

  • @Maritime_History
    @Maritime_History 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'm here from the live stream happening today. Sorry for the copyright claim. If you need help, you have 67 thousand people backing you up, including me.

    • @loganrodriguez5383
      @loganrodriguez5383 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Probably 67k because some people forgot they subscribed

  • @DD-sw1dd
    @DD-sw1dd 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Imagine waiting in the US for a family member and reading all those stories. The initial trauma, shock, and disbelief. The hope when news reported everyone survived. Then the initial shock, trauma, sadness re-emerging when the news changes. Disbelief sets in as you refuse to even read the news anymore as you wait on the Carpathia. That disbelief becomes grief when the truth sets in. Then anger. Then acceptance.

  • @one_degenerated_ontarian
    @one_degenerated_ontarian 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    That scene of Ismay getting death glares from the surviving passengers is pretty powerful. Theres lots of scenes deleted from the movie that should have been left in (yes I know the movie is already pushing three hours)

    • @douglasgriffiths3534
      @douglasgriffiths3534 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It was over 3 hours. I wish they put a DVD with all the deleted scenes in with the movie. Maybe they'll do that with the 25th anniversary edition next year (if there is one). (Jan Griffiths).

    • @trevorbluesquirrel899
      @trevorbluesquirrel899 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      They had to cut out a bunch to keep the 1912 parts exactly 2 hours and 40 minutes long!

  • @simongleaden2864
    @simongleaden2864 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    13:55 English law now prohibits such disclaimers of liability in transactions with individual consumers. It must have been cases like this that led to the change in the law.

  • @michaelbujaki2462
    @michaelbujaki2462 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    This video was almost perfect, it just had to be 2 seconds longer.

  • @dugarooo
    @dugarooo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video Sam. Derek Mahon wrote a poem called ‘After the Titanic’ which describes some of what you said from Ismays POV. I found it interesting and worth a read 😊

  • @jasonweiss2773
    @jasonweiss2773 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think an inflation calculation is pertinent here. Survivors on the low end were seeking half a million dollars each, what they ended up with was equivalent to $25,000 dollars each. The dollar value of a lost loved one is immeasurable. The amount of the settlement for some was more money than most would ever see, and a pittance for the more wealthy that were lost. What I've come to realize through years of following and studying Titanic is that it was no one's fault, it was a terrible accident that wasn't accounted for beforehand and White Star did as much as possible without becoming insolvent. Some things were scummy, but only after the fact. We learned lessons and made headway in improving safety. You have no idea how you'd react unless you have lost someone under similar circumstances. I think all parties did what they could to.....right the ship.

  • @anthonymccray460
    @anthonymccray460 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You are awesome! I love your content. I just discovered you and love what you do. Thank you! I am now a subscriber and loyal fan,🤗

  • @chriscoghlan7225
    @chriscoghlan7225 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Hi Sam, I got an interesting hypothetical for you.. What if the Titanic struck the iceberg during the day? Everything else is the same bar the time of impact which let's say was twelve hours earlier or later. I believe the biggest difference would have been in the response to her SOS as more operators would have been on duty aboard nearby ships. Plus would there still have been a mirage effect at sea?

    • @TheWPhilosopher
      @TheWPhilosopher 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I think Sam answered the mirage one. Yes. However it would have been more obvious and they may well have seen first of all the iceberg anyway and or indeed a miraged iceberg, possibly ironically, even sooner as it may have curved up over the horizon. Ergo they might have stopped or changed course even earlier than they might otherwise needed to have. As it was with everything dark separating out what should be normal and what was the mirage was harder and the iceberg may have miraged but would have simply looked like more dark in the sky. All round whilst the weather was calm it was actually a perfect storm of events coming together.
      Scary as it may be to people sometimes things come together in ways we cannot predict or appreciate or prevent. Titanic was one.
      For example the moon was at its closest for almost 1200 years so helped increase tides which pulled the ice floes and bergs more south than normal. Sam may be able to do some digging but iirc by trying to save the ship Smith doomed the ship and thus I don't blame Smith. I think there was ice to the NORTH of where Titanic had been. Expecting more ahead he went SOUTH where normally it was less or none. However due to the abnormal tidal forces a channel gap was actually ahead of Titanic's original course as the ice normally there had separated further and thus was on their new course actually worse. As seen by diagrams of Titanic versus Californian positions. Titanic ended up at the middle of this pack of ice while Californian further north at tip of it decided to sit it out. Really was just everything coming together. Smith only real fault was never doing the evacuation drill. First the efficiency might have been increased. Secondly this may have delayed the ship long enough the warnings had more time to reach the wireless/for the operator to catch up on delayed messages/wireless to be fixed earlier. Other than that Smith's questioning seems overly harsh on numerous occasions.
      As Sam says the waters looked calm, peaceful, flat and you could see for "miles" there is no reason to slow down. You think you've adjusted course to miss the ice. The scene from the bridge confirms this assessment. He'd probably get into trouble with White Star if it was reported he wasn't cruising fast enough and he certainly wasn't at top speed. Near but not top.
      Anyway getting a bit long I've digressed.

  • @brainsareus
    @brainsareus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Many people, not me; find it easy to call a person a coward, yet, they could never know what they would do; until confronted by an unfolding catastrophe.
    There but for the grace of God, go any of us!

    • @i.b.640
      @i.b.640 ปีที่แล้ว

      Right. There is a reason, why "women and children first" was a relativly New directive then. A few decades before it was the more honest "every man for himself"

  • @ClearTrackSpeed
    @ClearTrackSpeed 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is a great video, curious about what else was changed as a result of the Titanic disaster

  • @jamesmiller6217
    @jamesmiller6217 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    These videos and the narration is brilliant. I’m captivated.

  • @Wolfric_Rogers
    @Wolfric_Rogers 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When the Britannic II was built, its new central expansion joint was positioned right in the middle of the ship and the aft expansion joint was repositioned to right in front of the #4 funnel.
    This was likely due to many survivors saying that the ship broke "right down the middle" and "abaft the after expansion plate" and WSL wanted to make sure that Britannic definitely wouldn't break apart.

  • @shahancheong9792
    @shahancheong9792 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hey Sam, great videos. Avid Titanic fan here.
    You mentioned once, I think, that you were going to do a video about the dogs on the TITANIC.
    Did that ever happen?

  • @davidmanley9437
    @davidmanley9437 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love watching your videos. You have done extensive research on the content, and continue to make them interesting. I have learned much from them, and am very pleased that someone so young has done His homework to make them factual. Keep up the good work

  • @lilakatze
    @lilakatze 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you Sam! You are the best!

  • @JACCO20082012
    @JACCO20082012 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is a good topic. I've always wondered what those first few days after the sinking were like for the White Star execs. What must those conversations have been like as they realized the ship was not only gone but that it had taken so many people with it.
    Keep in mind too that WSL was a huge company in the Guilded Age. The thing with the tickets and paying off passengers in the hospital was just standard practice for a big company back then. That's part of the reason labor unions gained so much popularity and why we have organizations like the BBB now. You can't fault WSL or Ismay for doing what was standard practice then.

  • @MaverickGamingVideos
    @MaverickGamingVideos ปีที่แล้ว

    I love the videos, I am a huge fan of history, the titanic is one of those stories I have overly study cause I am fascinated by it, and your videos were a fresh take.

  • @rahulsharda3577
    @rahulsharda3577 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That's why they say that humbleness and humility are better, because even if some people dislike you, those who still believe in you testify their genuineness. Plus one gains more maturity by practicing humbleness and humility.
    Running away or acting smart is only an axe on the foot.

  • @boobob9846
    @boobob9846 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Sam, all the way from the snowy mts in Australia. We watch you all the time. You are part of our Aussie family. Even, Kevin the cat, loves you. We always look forward to each of your postings, and love how much you love your ships... From me and my Mr 11yo!!

  • @threefistbanddrummer4185
    @threefistbanddrummer4185 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cant wait to see your new model next to her sister ships bro. Happy it came

  • @yah5690
    @yah5690 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    don't break that new Olympic model

    • @fmyoung
      @fmyoung 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And don't try to beat the Olympic

  • @jillfratis8004
    @jillfratis8004 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Sam!!! I hope you’re doing well!! So excited to see your channel take off 😁

  • @paytonmanning1109
    @paytonmanning1109 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You give me major TheReportOfTheWeek vibes. Love. It. 😂💜

  • @laylaleannejepson7
    @laylaleannejepson7 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love your videos. I have Been watching them alot as I'm new to your channel 🙂. You make the topics you're talking about interesting and that's not something just anyone can do. Thanks for another great video. Xx

  • @jonny-simulation-gamer
    @jonny-simulation-gamer 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    sam watching you videos and eating popcorn is the best

  • @lisad476
    @lisad476 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent topic. I never thought about what happened afterward

  • @Genwellness
    @Genwellness 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    On your titanic exhibit Orlando Florida I live in that area so I’m gonna go check it out sometime be really cool

  • @fmyoung
    @fmyoung 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    tyvm Sam by the way for this addtl video I like all the usual detail

  • @gailwatson4927
    @gailwatson4927 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for the information Sam. It is so sad.

  • @corneliucirja429
    @corneliucirja429 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hy Sam, thanks for everything. I have a question, White Star did get anything from the insurance company? Thank you very much!

  • @fmyoung
    @fmyoung 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    15:41 That's really well said "just how low can you get"

  • @shawnkeith1164
    @shawnkeith1164 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Sam, Josiah here. I LOVED the video!
    😊🚢

  • @forgottenplaces9780
    @forgottenplaces9780 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Do one on weather titanic would hit the iceberg if it stayed at full speed and not engines in reverse.

  • @Stand_with_Israel
    @Stand_with_Israel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You should do a video on what it was like to be on the titanic before it hit the iceberg
    Like what kind of things were there to do, what was the food like, what were the rooms like, where did the passengers shower, did they shower?
    Pretty much what was the typical day for a passenger like

  • @jevinday
    @jevinday 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    That deleted scene from Titanic is VERY powerful, thank you for sharing that with us Sam! I had never heard of the poor man before this video. So thank you once again for your awesome. I curse like a sailor (fucking trust me hahaha) but I love how you have kept this channel family friendly. I'm just about your age (I'm 29) and even though I saw the James Cameron movie for over a decade i STILL didn't understand the pride and honor a liner like the White Star Line until I found your channel. I love it!

    • @douglasgriffiths3534
      @douglasgriffiths3534 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I wish there was a DVD included with the movie containing all of the deleted scenes. There was a lot cut out of the movie. At least an hour was cut out. If a DVD was available, I would def buy one. (Jan Griffiths).

    • @trevorbluesquirrel899
      @trevorbluesquirrel899 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@douglasgriffiths3534 They had to cut a lot out to make the 1912 part last exactly 2 hours and 40 minutes!

  • @diddyfaplord
    @diddyfaplord ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I don’t think Ismay just randomly got a spot by chance. He was looking for a spot

    • @trevorblue4531
      @trevorblue4531 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Ismay helped numerous people board the boats, and only left the ship 20 minutes before the sinking, in the last launched lifeboat, that he may have actually been ordered into by Murdoch! And their were still some empty seats as the boat was launched!

    • @diddyfaplord
      @diddyfaplord 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@trevorblue4531 whatever you say, Bruce the 4th 🤣

    • @fmyoung
      @fmyoung หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Maybe

    • @fmyoung
      @fmyoung 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I think so too

  • @celebrityxcruises8087
    @celebrityxcruises8087 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The video length is 19:11
    Just like the year 1911
    I love IT

  • @chrispixx
    @chrispixx 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Interesting video, what I find really interesting is the clip from the Titanic movie of Ismay on the Carpathia, walking right behind him is Chef Boyardee, who was on the stern of the ship with Rose and Jack when it sank. Which means he went into the water but somehow he survived. I guess something only james Cameron can explain.

    • @kerrymay6725
      @kerrymay6725 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This is true; the chef did survive. James Cameron depicted what the chef says occurred that night

    • @Rose19127
      @Rose19127 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Charles Jougin

  • @danielkarmy4893
    @danielkarmy4893 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I don't know, I've defended Ismay in the past but didn't know about any of this - and, I hate to say it, he does paint himself as a bit of a coward with the messages and the attempt to escape, and for giving the go-ahead (because he obviously would have done) for the despicable actions that were taken after the event. It's his company after all, a company is only as good as the person in charge of it, and, well, the White Star Line made themselves look horrific, so...no, no, I still won't blame him as much as the general public did at the time, I still can't condone the smearing Hearst orchestrated so brilliantly. I know I've made mistakes I wish I could undo, and so have we all, and I genuinely think Ismay was killed by his mistakes throughout this tragedy as you say. Those who didn't make it through the night were spared the torture that he was forced to endure, and he had to endure it for another 25 years. He served his life sentence, and in that way, perhaps justice - as cruel as it sounds - was done.

    • @ToreDL87
      @ToreDL87 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ismay took a step back from a lot of the decision making after the disaster.
      Also have to remember that White Star Line was on their own, while Cunard had government backing to build huge liners all day, in addition Hearst had it out for Ismay (which accounts for many biased and outright untruthful reports on White Star Line practices as well).
      It's hard, even for me, to imagine Ismay being completely absolved of many of the scummy White Star Line practices, but again, they didn't have government backing and had to save money somewhere, that doesn't excuse many of the things they did, but they'd soon very well be out of money if they threw it around like candy.

    • @MrBaritone38
      @MrBaritone38 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ToreDL87 White Star Line were not alone, JP Morgan owned the company as part of the International Mercantile Marine Company (IMM)

  • @MHGdeO
    @MHGdeO 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    For chrissakes JE Smith had been previously involved in another collision on the same type of liner (Olympic) cause of his negligence. His retirement was long overdue. Not to even mention the negligence of the Marconi staff by shutting up the only vessel nearby who was ONLY trying to help by warning them of a nearby ice field. Who cares they were tired. It was their job. So, they fixed it, and they were told not to. Thanks to it Bride saved himself!
    Sam, sometimes it seems you’re trying too hard to excuse the negligent actions taken by the Titanic’s crew. They were plain negligent. And the fact they carried out their job is nothing outstanding. Twas’ their duty.

  • @fmyoung
    @fmyoung 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Here's why the Titanic's story will never die: (1) she was the world's biggest movable man-made object of her day, (2) she excelled in luxury, (3) she was on her maiden voyage (of all voyages), (4) there were many celebrities of the day on board, (5) there was already a lot of talk about all her features before she was ever launched (including the whole "unsinkability" talk), and (6) the Titanic is the first ship in living memory to be sunk by an iceberg. The Titanic shall always be in our minds despite herself; unlike the ship itself, the story remains unsinkable

  • @Namkhai_de_Combaillaux
    @Namkhai_de_Combaillaux 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another excellent video thank you keep up the great work !

  • @fmyoung
    @fmyoung 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ... and thus it was that instead of a grand brand-new liner New York Harbor was presented with the totally anticlimactic sight of 13 tiny lifeboats. What a shock

  • @holeymattress8128
    @holeymattress8128 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like the way you call out the White star line at the end of the video, maybe they will listen! LOL

  • @Heavyweight-kh8ss
    @Heavyweight-kh8ss 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    For anyone to be mad at Ismay for hopping on lifeboat, when the 52,000 ton ship he was on is on its way to the bottom of the Atlantic (2.5 Miles Deep), in water that Is on the high 20s°, has to be out of their mind.

    • @MrBaritone38
      @MrBaritone38 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They were mad at Ismay disobeying the Captain's orders "Woman and children first" Ismay left behind 145 woman and children to save his own life.

  • @MrDcar12
    @MrDcar12 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Sam. Great job on the videos. Love your content and so informative. I have been a subscriber for a couple months now and always miss the live chat....damn....lol...but I have a video idea...I know you hear that all the time. I ran across something that I don’t think you have covered before. What happened after the Titanic. What became of the survivors. What all changed with over seas transportation? Lightoller and Dunkirk is the show I ran across that sparked that interest in me. What happened to the survivors how did they get on and go about life? I’m going to research things like this on my own but I think other people would find this interesting also. Some people like to be entertained and learn something at the same time. You do this very well....thank you. Few people will follow through and do research about the after. Just an idea. Keep up the good work. Thanks again. Dan.

  • @foxstarline4997
    @foxstarline4997 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great Video as always!!!

  • @nightshift8249
    @nightshift8249 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sam, as a fellow Titanic buff, this channel was made for me! Would you consider a video exploring the theory about iceberg damage to the bottom of the hull during the collision ?

  • @aliinlondon
    @aliinlondon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Laudably passionate, dudey dude :)
    Many thanks, as always

  • @fmyoung
    @fmyoung 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Lord Mersey was tough during the inquiry proper but his report according to quite a few was very restrained. "It was colorless timid and cautious" they complained and they added "We had expected more backbone in Lord Mersey"

  • @skywardguy9081
    @skywardguy9081 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Sam! You have GOT to read the book of transcripts of the Titanic inquiries! You just can't get the real witness' stories without reading exactly what the survivors experienced in their own words.

  • @brandonjohnson3122
    @brandonjohnson3122 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent video! I love your videos about the History of the Titanic. Quick question: from 14:32 to 15:05, what footage is that? Is that from a Titanic Documentary or something? Just curious.

  • @YisuiChaos
    @YisuiChaos ปีที่แล้ว

    Could you do a video about the inquiry that happened after the titanic sunk? I can’t seem to find any good content around that. I wanted more timeline details about what happened during the inquiry and what the testimonies were.

  • @paulboger7377
    @paulboger7377 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another great video. The White Star Line were using the law trying to get out of paying out victims, typical behaviour!! As for Ismay, the public needed a villain to vent their anger and disgust at, there he was, and his actions and the company's actions cemented it. Sam, I know I have asked before, could you do one about all the search attempts before Dr Ballard's discovery of the wreck? Including the alleged sonar discovery by the RN in 1977.

  • @jackackman9806
    @jackackman9806 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow! I'm a historian of Titanic, not nearly to the extent you are, but this is something I never wanted to know. But glad I do, thanks again.

  • @Master_Blackthorne
    @Master_Blackthorne ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As managing director of the White Star Line, Ismay had the last say of how many lifeboats the Titanic carried. He thought they should carry room for less than half aboard.
    Although the British Board of Trade mocked the Senate inquiries headed by William Auden Smith, they were in a precarious position as a member of the BBT certified the Titanic fit for travel after viewing the number of lifeboats before she sailed. Lord Mersey who headed the BBT inquiriny said that if Ismay had not stepped into the lifeboat he would only have added another number to those lost. However he told Ismay that the humblest immigrant had more right to a seat in the boats than he did.

  • @fmyoung
    @fmyoung 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    April 10th is a day to remember, and April 14th-15th is "A Night to Remember"

  • @plokoon1912
    @plokoon1912 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Hey Sam, who is your favorite Steward in the Titanic?

    • @JayDeeDonuts
      @JayDeeDonuts 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      he said william murdoch on a stream before

    • @plokoon1912
      @plokoon1912 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@JayDeeDonuts, ok from the Officers, thank you that's good to know. But I asked from the stewards, who is your favorit steward of Officer?

  • @emperorjulian2159
    @emperorjulian2159 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That's the difference between Imperial German Ocean Liners and White Star: no hidden exclusions of responsibility printed on ticks :)

  • @hippapodacow8087
    @hippapodacow8087 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I discovered this channel yesterday. I have slept and watched these, someone send help.

  • @poptart510
    @poptart510 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow your content is really good .keep up the good work. You deserve 10000000subsribets