I prefer Spiderman to be young adult that is trying to apply for University probably Masters or PhD instead of high-school student. As such I would say my preference for him would be around 19-21 years old at this time. Insomniac Spiderman was good but felt they made him too experienced and is quick to pass the torch to Miles Morales because he is younger I guess?
Absolutely agree. The fact that Peter B. Parker will be the first movie Spider-Man to actually have a stable relationship and a family is insane to me.
Read Spider-Man: Life Story, MC2 Spider-Girl, Renew Your Vows Spider-Man, Spider-Man Final Adventure, Spider-Man (2019), Dark Ages Event, Yeah PS4/PS5 Spidey, The Spider's Shadow, even Deadly Neighborhood Spider-Man and Lost Hunt are the new ones. I would've mentioned Spider-Man Reign, Savage Spider-Man, Non-Stop Spider-Man but they are crazy. 😁 Or try Home to Spider-Ben and Spider-Pete and What if Ben Parker Lived?
It's crazy how the bulk of the 616 Spider-Man's history is him being a college student or young adult but Marvel is obsessed with having him as a high school kid in media (movies and cartoons). The best Spider-Man stories were him as an adult.
@@funnyfunnyvalentine7991 Yeah. I liked Ultimate, but it wasn't worth wrecking the 616 Universe and narrowing adaptations to a single stage of Peter's life
As much as I love Spider-Man started as a teenage superhero in high school which has us related to the character, his most interesting and memorable stories are when after he graduated high school and went to college and even graduated college. That’s why I love that Peter is already an adult and more experienced in the PS4 game and Into The Spider-Verse. The point of Spider-Man is him starting as a teenager so we can see him naturally growing up which is why there are stories where he’s married and have kids. I feel like if the Raimi films continued, we would’ve gotten more adult Spider-Man stories for that film franchise. Anyways great video, Lewis.
I honestly want to see more of the Andrew Garfield Spiderman. In No Way Home he talked about depression, not holding back, & becoming vengeful. I am extremely interested in seeing how that unfolds & how he pulls himself back from the edge.
its always been a part of spidermans story. He halways plled his punches, he always had some degree of depression but he never stated it back then. He was stoic and pushed forward as all great heroes do
@@YOUCANTDOTHATONTELEVISION Yes but Andrew's version wasn't pulling punches & acknowledges his depression. His story became less of being Spider-Man & more about the toll being a hero has on him. I want to see that take & see how regains himself.
One of my favorite takes of Peter Parker, was in the Spider Girl comic with his daughter May Parker “ Mayday”. It was so interesting to learn why people quit being a hero and how he loss his leg. Then the family dynamics in the book were really well done as well.
I've always felt that you could do a pretty cool movie based on that rendition. You could even tie it into the greater Spider-verse by having Peter be played by Tobey McGuire. It's been 20 years since his original Spider-Man movie, and 16 years since Spider-Man 3... plenty of time for him to have gotten married to MJ and had a daughter who's turning 16 and suddenly developing weird powers... and let's be honest, McGuire totally gave off "goofy Dad vibes" in No Way Home...
Whenever people talk about having Spider-Man in high school for a movie it’s usually punctuated by them saying, “that way they could introduce Mary Jane, Gwen, & Harry. That’s where he gets to meet all these characters in the comics. That’s what makes him so relatable.” Reading the comics, Peter Parker met all the members of his supporting cast...in college...as a young 19-20 year old. It was never his age that made Spider-Man relatable, it was his relationships with his friends, family, and girlfriend. Where he interacted with Harry, Gwen, MJ & Flash is where fans found him the most like themselves. It was never Peter Parker/Spider-Man in high school that made him relatable. It was always his supporting cast
The thing that I think most people tend to forget is that 616 Spider-Man was literally only in high school for 30 issues or so. He STARTED as a teenage superhero but it never defined him. Throwing him back into his youth every adaption is simply redundant at this point and only restricts the more interesting stories that could be done with his adult life.
I think it's fine to keep spiderman as a teenager in highschool as long as you can give something fresh to the story since in my opinion there is still something out there to interpret.
he speaks about it in the first minute- it would be fine, it's just more and more difficult to not be repeating everything and coming up with fresh, interesting concepts
@@LewisFilmsProductions how about we get an adaption that actually makes it to COLLEGE for once seriously 90's beefcake Spiderman was the ONLY animated Spidey to make it past highschool mainly because it started with him in College but still c'mon I mean Spectacular was going to do it but we'll ya know actually now that I think about it the MTV series did take place in his college years to but still also I would still like a Highschool Spiderman game taking place in the Insomniac verse because I'm a sucker and I'd like to see what they could cook up
@@wwaltonMiles Morales is the highschool Spider-Man of the Insomniac verse, he’s literally right there. I think it’s time for Peter Parker to take a hiatus break from highschool setting and let him be the more grown up Spider-Man while have Miles Morales be the primarly the highschooler hero so that way we could balance out two Spider-Man taking in two different stages of life era.
@@Ye_B0i what can Miles stories have him do as a teenager that Peter already hasn't done? Especially when. His mom already knows he's Spiderman, the story in the PS4 game was just as predictable as a high school story and that doesn't make it bad so I see no reason why a high school Spiderman game with Peter shouldn't be on the table
5:44 If the writers wanna keep Peter young what they could do to benefit the younger readers is maybe have Peter (who is now a family man) relive or tell those stories he had as Spider-Man (when he was still a teenager) through flashbacks
I know that. But since the writers wanna keep Peter young I'm not sure if they'd wanna focus on Miles despite him having his own spin-off series. Maybe the stories Peter tells could take place before Miles got his powers, I don't know... I mean open to suggestions
I never really understood the emphasis of putting him in high school. Pete graduated and went to college before the 30th issue of his original series. They actually showed him progress to adulthood and kept him that way up until the 2000s when they did OMD (or the 90s if you think the Clone Saga was worse). It's not as if kids aren't going to enjoy Spider-Man if he's older than High school. When I was a kid my introduction to him was the 90s animated series, and he was in college in that show. We even see him getting married to Mary Jane (her clone really, but still).
I am really confused! Spiderman was not turned into a teenager after OMD he was still an adult. They just got rid of his marriage to Mary Jane. Matter of fact 616 peter parker is still an adult. Did something happen in the comics
@@sonnywoods6846 Marvel got rid of the marriage because they thought him being married made him feel old. He may still be an adult, but now he can sleep around or make a wreck of his personal life, which they think is more 'relatable'. So now we have Peter acting less mature as a 30 year old than he was as a 25 year old. It sucks
When I was growing up as a little kid in the 80s, Peter Parker was already this young adult guy. I'm not talking an 18 year old teenager young adult. I'm talking the guy seemed AT LEAST 22 years old, if not 24 or 25. He had young adult problems, he had his own apartment in New York, worked at the Bugle, I even watched him get married to Mary Jane. So I honestly legit thought Peter Parker was a college aged 20 year old guy to 25 year old young adult. Yes I knew he did get powers as a kid, but the comics I read weren't that old. The cartoons I watched always showed him as a college aged man. It was only in the late 90s/early 2000s when rumors of Sam Raimi's Spider-Man was coming out that I realized, "oh shit, he got his powers back in 1962 as a high school kid!". From 1999 and after, the push has always been to throw Peter/Spidey back to high school. I was relieved when Sam Raimi/Tobey Maguire only kept Peter in high school for a few scenes and quickly moved him to college and working at the Bugle. I never liked high school Peter Parker, never understood the fan push for him. Most of the best stories around Spider-Man come in college and even after.
Pretty sure the 90's series also started with him in high school but allowed him to grow up rather than keeping him there the entire series. I think that was the only cartoon Spider-man that allowed him to age past High School. Unless you're talking about the other 90's Spider-man which starts with him already being an adult and traveling to another planet in a nanotech costume that looks similar to the Spider-man 2099 costume.
6:39 Peter Parker WAS a science teacher for many years in the comics in J. Michael Straczynski's run on the Amazing title. It was definitely explored, and some fantastic stories were told with it (some of my favourite).
Flip, even mid 20s Spidey is a nice take. I’d say so, that’s why Rami’s Peter is so unique and special. He goes to college, but he also has to manage a job and his RENTTTT!!
It feels weird because most adaptations up until the 2000s usually had him as an adult (or at least in college). I feel like everything changed when the Ultimate Spider-Man comics came out and every adaptation has him in high school.
Indeed, and now people seem to think "Peter has always been in high school?" When he was barely in high school in the 616 universe, seriously, his high school days were like a blip on the radar
@@TokuNorth Yes. He finished high school two years into the original series. He was in graduate school in the Nicholas Hammond series (as he was in the comics at the time) and in college on Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends.
When I was growing up as a little kid in the 80s, Peter Parker was already this young adult guy. I'm not talking an 18 year old teenager young adult. I'm talking the guy seemed AT LEAST 22 years old, if not 24 or 25. He had young adult problems, he had his own apartment in New York, worked at the Bugle, I even watched him get married to Mary Jane. So I honestly legit thought Peter Parker was a college aged 20 year old guy to 25 year old young adult. Yes I knew he did get powers as a kid, but the comics I read weren't that old. The cartoons I watched always showed him as a college aged man. It was only in the late 90s/early 2000s when rumors of Sam Raimi's Spider-Man was coming out that I realized, "oh shit, he got his powers back in 1962 as a high school kid!". From 1999 and after, the push has always been to throw Peter/Spidey back to high school. I was relieved when Sam Raimi/Tobey Maguire only kept Peter in high school for a few scenes and quickly moved him to college and working at the Bugle. I never liked high school Peter Parker, never understood the fan push for him. Most of the best stories around Spider-Man come in college and even after.
@@John-ct9zs Yeah, what happened to spiderman having work problems? Growing up I remember that was the big thing, that he always worked at the newspaper and was dealing with his boss.
They have the perfect opportunity to make an adult Peter in The Amazing Spider-Man 3. Like 2 plots. Him dealing with the mistakes of his past, and him dealing with the future
We already have a Spider-Man that has long moved on from the constant demand of High School and is better for it. The 90's animated series covers everything in Peter's life from end of High School, College Life, Jobs and actually moving further with his relationships. Spider-Man fits better in a College setting than High School, cause real life issues then have actual impact and needs to fund everything himself. I highly recommend you to check it out the 90's animated series. It also further expands Peter's/Spider-Man's life like no series since.
Spider-Man can only exist in high-school for a certain amount of time before it becomes impossible to keep challenging him. Part of the struggle of Spider-Man is balance. I wanna see Peter choosing to save a life over attending a job interview, ultimately meaning he's short with rent. That's an important & difficult lesson every Spider-Man needs to learn.
To solve this problem, I would love for the next animated Spider-Man series to be loosely based on Renew Your Vows. Make Peter and Mary Jane already married with Mayday as their daughter. Except instead of making Mary Jane his partner in crime fighting by having her siphon off of his powers (because like, wtf?), just make Miles his partner instead. That way, the producers can have their cake and eat it too by evolving the character of Peter Parker while still having their high school age character for younger audiences to relate to.
@@prufan I was thinking more so in the part of Renew Your Vows where she was eight or nine because then, you can relate to three age demographics for the price of one: children for Mayday, teens for Miles, and adults for Peter. Having a character for kids would be especially good if the show was aimed at a slightly younger audience with a lighter tone and more episodic structure.
This is why I would really like Marvel to make Spider-Man 4 with Tobey and explore adult life where he has kids and what it’s like to be Spider-Man at that age. Sort of like Old Man Logan but less dark. Perhaps maybe even kill Tobey off at the end if done correctly. This would be a great movie I think and would be unique and different whilst giving the fans what they want with one last movie with Tobey.
When I was growing up as a little kid in the 80s, Peter Parker was already this young adult guy. I'm not talking an 18 year old teenager young adult. I'm talking the guy seemed AT LEAST 22 years old, if not 24 or 25. He had young adult problems, he had his own apartment in New York, worked at the Bugle, I even watched him get married to Mary Jane. So I honestly legit thought Peter Parker was a college aged 20 year old guy to 25 year old young adult. Yes I knew he did get powers as a kid, but the comics I read weren't that old. The cartoons I watched always showed him as a college aged man. It was only in the late 90s/early 2000s when rumors of Sam Raimi's Spider-Man was coming out that I realized, "oh shit, he got his powers back in 1962 as a high school kid!". From 1999 and after, the push has always been to throw Peter/Spidey back to high school. I was relieved when Sam Raimi/Tobey Maguire only kept Peter in high school for a few scenes and quickly moved him to college and working at the Bugle. I never liked high school Peter Parker, never understood the fan push for him. Most of the best stories around Spider-Man come in college and even after.
This is perfect! I hope we get older Peter stories in the future cause we’ve seen the high school stuff in games, movies and Tv shows. Time to explore more options with Peter!
I'd argue 'personal relationships to the villains' was more of a college and onwards thing in the comics, in part due to how short the high-school years where so the relationships hadn't quite reached that point of development yet, with the arguable exception of JJ's Spider-Slayer and Scorpion exploits. However over all there should be crossover between Peter's civilian side cast lives and Spider-man's supervillain fights, such as Betty loosing her brother to Glaxton and Doc Ock after he got into dept with them (also her mother got hospitalised, poor Betty). This was the story Spectacular adapted/merged into Liz and Mark's Molten Man storyline. The two sides of Peter/Spider-man's life should always bleed into one another.
If I'm being honest, I want an animated series or a standalone comic run set in its own universe (like when Ultimate Spider-Man first started) of Spider-Man 2099. While Miles is cool, Miguel was the OG legacy Spider-Man that kickstarted the "anyone can wear" the mask concept. He was not related to Peter Parker whatsoever outside of being inspired by the original's tales. He's also a full-grown adult when he got his powers. Not to mention that with the recent popularity of the Cyberpunk genre with the release of Bladerunner 2049, the Cyberpunk 2077 game, the Cyberpunk Edgerunners anime, and his upcoming role in Across the Spider-Verse, it's just prime time to have a story about Spidey 2099 set in a dark dystopian future New York/Nueva York. While I have faith in Across the Spider-Verse portraying Miguel well, I also want a story focused on Miguel that takes full advantage of the inherently grimy, dark, and borderline nihilistic aspects of the Cyberpunk genre.
Unfortunately Hollywood’s obsession with rebooting might always prevent us from getting an older Spidey in his adult years. 🤷🏿♂️ someway somehow they’ll always find a way to put him back in high school.
if they exist in the same universe, they should make miles the teen spider-man and Peter the main Adult one, heck 616 Miles even is on his own Teen titans esque team
I was thinking about this while playing the games. Comic miles already has so much in common with Peter, he could just fill the exact same role that teen Peter did, while Peter gets to be an adult with adult responsibilities on top of Spider-Man stuff,
I think the video game is one of my favorites because he's still young in his 20s but he's already gone through all the high school and college drama. It allows the game to tell really mature stories as well as relating to that work life balance.
actually, the Insomniac Spider-Man begins when he's 23, Peter's been doing the whole spider thing for 8 years when the game begins and it's a really interesting parting point, since he already has made a long interesting cast of enemies and alredy knows what is like to be Spider-Man. Of course they did this because they teenager Spider-Man is Miles, but Peter really works as he struggles with having a job and being a superheroe, just like Raimi's version of the character in the second and third movie.
I always think back to when Stan Lee said how anybody can be behind the mask as Spider-Man and that high school/college portion of his life portrays that the best. Or at least that’s how I’d feel it.
I agree. My first exposure to Spider-man was Spider-man the animated series. He was a grown man. MC2 was really refreshing, although I do wish they included the kids of other heroes.
Up until 1999/2000s, Peter Parker/Spider-Man was always portrayed as a college aged young man/young adult of around 22-27 years old in the various cartoons and one live action 1970s TV show. The comics had him as a college aged guy since at least the late 1960s. It was only post 2000 that this obsession with throwing him back to high school over and over again started, mainly to appeal to new kids. Before 2000, the mentality was we need to appeal to a wide audience and the only way to do that is make him a college age young adult.
The other reason why I think Highschool Spider-Man doesn't work anymore, is because he's no longer the one and only school-age superhero. We have other superheroes fulfilling that role like Kamala Khan and Amadeus Cho which means Peter Parker is no longer special and there's no reason to keep him there anymore.
Spiderman hadn't been in high school since the '70s. Except for Ultimate Spiderman, most of the comics he's in college, or working. He's a young adult, facing adult things.
90s Spider-man on the Antimated series was set in college. Tobey Maguire started his Spider-man career after high school. So for me, high school was done. Move on to college.
Sure, and most of the shows depict his origin story with Uncle Ben and all, but honestly I dont know that they need to. Does anybody nowadays go into any form of Spiderman media not knowing his origin story?
Not saying that I don’t like his teenage stories, I also actually liked a lot of the comics when Spider-Man is more grown up or adult it feels like he actually had time to grow up instead of him always staying a teenager. Spider-Man TAS (90’s Series) you actually see him as an adult for a while. Because you see he technically gets married to Mary Jane in that series. You also see Peter as an adult in the Spider-Man Unlimited animated series.
I said this in my video on the same subject, but the easiest way to have your cake and eat it too is to focus on Miles in high school and Peter as an adult.
What pisses me off most about Marvel Comics now is they can have their cake and eat it too. They keep having Peter be young and not growing up to have that youth appeal for Spidey. But miles morales is RIGHT THERE now! If you want to tell an adult oriented Spider-Man story. Use Peter. if you want to have a more young adult/kid friendly Spidey stories, tell them with Miles as the focal point. You can have it both ways now, Marvel. Just use some actual thought
You make a _very_ strong case here (👍)! Yeah, there really is so many times you can tell a ‘high school Peter’ story until it gets to a point where it becomes state. And I for one would _hate_ for that to happen to the character.
I’m getting tired of the misconception that Spidey villains should have a personal connection to Peter. Idk why so many people think that should be the case. In the comics, the vast majority of Spider-Man’s rogues don’t have a personal connection to him. Very few actually do. Yeah it can be really interesting, but it would get really convenient and annoying if they all did
They don't need to be. Personally I find it to be a much more engaging story since a large part of Spidey's core character is built of personal stakes.
Sure they don't all have to be, but it makes the villain more tragic. Like Spectacular Spider-Man, we get to see most of the villains before they even become supervillains. A great example is Eddie Brock. I like the fact that this time, they were childhood friends and we slowly get to see their brotherhood deteriorate. Makes for some nice storytelling.
The best example of spider man not being in his high school days is in marvel's spider man by insomniac games in which doesn't depict his origins story like any other media he's in I mean spidey in that universe has been a hero for 8 years straight so he has the experiences at being the hero he's destined himself to be greater than anyone else and be better than ever
Which is good, but he’s still kinda in that teenage-like phase. Nothing new has been explored with his character yet other than a few things here and theee
I definitely get your point, I think I they do the highschool thing because it allows them to elongate the story, and make him not get old so fast. But that’s just my opinion !
Spiderman isn't forever a teenager at least not in the comics. The 616/main spiderman comic has never reverted the character back to a teenager. It was alternate stories
In Raimi’s Spider man 2 Peter is fresh out of school and trying to make a life for himself working at the bugle, and his friends are doing the same, Mary Jane is finding success on broadway, Harry has just taken over oscorp, and they all come together in the beginning of the movie for Pete’s birthday after not seeing each other for a significant amount of time. That time period in life works so well for those characters but has barely been explored.
I want an ITSV spin off movie about Peter B Parker being a dad and a teacher, the movie can be called “Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man”. Or at least a movie about his daughter, Mayday as Spider-girl. Either way the story is about him dealing with having a family to provide for and superheroing.🕷🕸
Looking forward to your audiobook. I can say that one potentially really good story that could be told with an adult Peter is, ironically, one without him. Imagine this: it's about 10, 20 years into the future, long after Peter first became Spider-Man and grew into his prime. He's still Spider-Man part-time, however like you said, he now has more, even greater responsibilities. He has a full-time job, and he has a family. AND, while he's still Spider-Man, he's past his prime. Eventually, a foe appears: maybe someone he fought in the past, maybe someone new altogether. Peter dies, leaving behind his wife - presumably Mary Jane - and his kid, who witnessed the whole thing. It could be his daughter Mayday Parker, it could be a son, or it could be siblings: doesn't really matter. The fact is they were born with the powers Peter had, and upon seeing him - their father - get killed by some lunatic while he was protecting not only innocent lives, but also those he loved and while they were still young, it could see their origin story begin in a much different way than Peter's did: one driven by vengeance. Over time, they learn the same lessons that Peter did when he was younger, that hate is a dangerous, poisonous thing - it really is - and that, of course, with great power comes great responsibility. Just something I came up with on the spot: it can still be fleshed out a lot. Thoughts?
I came across this video by accident. And after hearing about what you said, I cannot help but agree. He is Peter Parker. Not Peter Pan. But the peoples in charge of creating his stories and adapting them wanted hi mto remain "Peter Pan" as much as possible in order for the young audiences to feel connect to him. Also, I also know another way of creating an origin for Peter Parker. Making him one of the traumatized victims of war. Of course, the setting and worlding might need to be different such as Earth is being part of the Shi'ar Empire and it was subjected to raid by the Kree since Earth is considered part of the Shi'ar's territories. As for Peter, his parents died in the raid and is forced to grow up to take care of Uncle Ben, Aunt May and his sister, Teresa. The raid defined Peter as an adult later on when he joined the war against the Kree, which is still raging on, as Spider-Man in an attempt to make the different and to avenge his parents while also swearing to kill every single Kree that he came across. Whatdo you think of this as his an origin of a version of Peter Parker as Spider-Man?
90s spider man is so cool because of this, peter completes his university already in the end of the second season and the rest he dont have to care about schools any more, and there is at least two episodes that shows him as a teacher. And that is my favorite version of spider man.
This reminds me of a time in Spiderman comics around the 90s where the opposite happened how readers hated that he got away from the simplicity of a down on his luck teen so when the Ultimate Universe was announced which I consider the true patient zero for this mess came around and was popular it was a breath of fresh air for most people. Now its just annoying and even taints my enjoyment of other spidey series like the MCU and even Spectacular which I really shouldn't since that show is near perfection otherwise. 5:33 Thank you for putting it into words.
I think as awesome and interesting spider-man's stories are when he's an adult, there is good reason to have the story start with him as a teen. There's lots of opportunity to see tons of character growth AND have him relate to younger audiences initially while still keeping the aspect of transforming and living relationships with other characters as he grows older. All very fair points made in this video :)
I don’t get why people think kids need a teenaged Spidey in order to find him relatable. Most superheroes are adults and kids are fine watching Superman, Batman, Iron Man, and Thor as adults. And I know there are shows where some of them are teens like Legion of Superheroes and Iron Man Armored Adventures, but those are few compared to Spider-Man.
I agree, we’ve had like 3 in a row with him in high school. They should do a show where Peter is a freshman in college like TAS and TNAS. The show could have four seasons, one season for every year of his college.
As a young Spider-Man fan I am interested in seeing more adult Spider-Man stories, I love the high school stuff but there’s enough already and most of it is descent but I really want something new
Then you should check out the comics. 55 years of the main continuity comics are about him as an adult. Almost every classic Spider-Man run is easily accessible by Marvel Unlimited. I'd be happy to give you recs
For me the best way to do this is to show a peter Parker who’s close to retirement but still kicking, then he meets a younger Spider-Man, maybe not miles but Ben Riley, he has to train this new Spider-Man while trying to discover new things about himself, thier relationship and banter would play similar to Rick and morty or something
My first Spiderman anything was Spiderman 1 with Tobey. My first Spiderman. COMIC was Kraven's Last Hunt. I'm a bit surprised to hear people reboot Petey to high school, since my third grade self thought it was super cool to learn Peter's story goes to marriage and beyond, which made me more excited to see the movies explore college, adulthood, and so on. (Plus I got to feel mature and cultured because I was reading a gritty book for teens, lol.)
The Highschool thing is already overplayed. We want something fresh. We want to see Peter grow! Everyone who does Spider-Man writing or whatsoever, puts him in Highschool almost all the time! Spider-Man is a coming of age independent superhero who broke ground in comic book history! The first hero without a mentor or being someone’s sidekick. He had to learn on his own. That includes finding jobs, paying bills on time, dealing with bullying, handle carrying all that responsibility. We all relate to him because he’s just like us! Not even Batman nor Superman can compare to him. He is just some kid from queens who didn’t asked for all this, but still decided to do it. Easier said than done, because other people would abuse their powers. Many actually. He is the embodiment of the indomitable will of an average person. When we put our mind to something, nothing can stand in our way. Ultimate Spidermam (2000 comics) captured Peter really good and with a solid good storyline. Now there ruining him. I guess that’s the price you have to pay when you are one of the most popular icons in the world🤷🏿♂️
The filmmakers actually have a chance for making an adult version of spiderman now. Everything was already set up in No Way Home with Toby's spiderman.
Some ideas that I would like to see explored in spider man media. 1)An actual origin movie. As in who was Uncle Ben before he died? How did Peter feel about his parents? Why did flash have it out for him and how would Peter respond when he was powerless? Why did Peter need the great power speech? Then the spider bite can be the culmination instead of the beginning of the opening or a flashback. 2) I would love to see an older spider man be more like the Flash to his villains.
Height of his comics run were college and adulthood. The 90s animated series was in his college and adulthood years. Spectacular was the only one that made his high school years work, but they did it drawing upon a lot of his college year stories. I was fine with MCU doing a high school trilogy, but honestly I kinda expected a more brisk pace so we'd be confident in getting a high school trilogy, college trilogy, post-graduation adulthood trilogy before we saw any talk of Holland moving on from the role. We've had some shaky periods within the first trilogy already...
i actually always completely forget hes a high school student i think of him as an immature man so really i think making him older wouldnt matter bc look at deadpool hes funny and immature u can have a lot of the things that you have with him as a high school student but changed a little
It’s an interesting point you make here. I have a video coming out next Saturday about the recent Spider-Man comics and I speak about this issue in a bit of detail!
One angle I'd like to see, that was partially explored in The Amazing Spider-Man, is a grittier look at New York, with a more vengeful "outcast" Peter Parker. Starting by going on the hunt for his uncle's murderer, simultaneously feeling an urge to help others he comes across during his "hunt", creating an inner conflict for what he believes is justice, and what Uncle Ben would have really wanted. I would like to see this Spider-Man have more run ins with characters like DD and Punisher, and more demented/down to earth villains, like Sin-Eater, Tombstone, Silvermane, Cletus Kassidy long before he becomes Carnage. TBC, Uncle Ben's murderer isn't some hot shot, he is just a robber that killed the wrong man.
So it would be a New York that works more akin to somewhere like Gotham? I think that would work pretty well for a dark Spider-Man story like you mentioned
@@LewisFilmsProductions truthfully, yes, a more Gotham like city. Or honestly, Spider-Man Noir if it was modern day New York, minus the guns, although I can see Peter using gun parts to make his web shooters, make Web-Slinger a sort of intentional Pun on Gun-slinger. I wouldn't alienate his more sci-fi/crazy villains, but the start would definitely be more grounded.
I do believe the 616 comics did have Peter be a teacher for awhile. I also recall some later issues where he was a scientist for Horizon (this was long after he stopped working as a photographer I believe?). And even more recent, though it's over now, he owned his own company. No clue what he's doing now as I stopped reading the comics years ago.
The reason why Marvel Entertainment is so hellbent on keeping Peter Parker young is that the company's upper management has the genuine belief that relatable characters can only be young and filled with angst. They see all generations harp on their formers and how they could've been better in their youth, and want Peter be on the winning side of that battle. If general audiences and consumers don't see the preconceived status quo, readers and filmgoers won't give up their money to see the same story they already know. Even if you work later stories into Peter's youth, you have to rewrite and tweak multiple story points to justify the lack of experience under Peter's belt. Marvel is a company under ownership and jurisdiction of Disney, and will do anything to satisfy the corporate mouse. One More Day was written for Marvel to undo everything up until Peter was just leaving college. In the 80's, Marvel gave Mary Jane a miscarriage to "ensure" that Peter doesn't supposedly "lose appeal." By being considered a parent. Marvel is trying to live off of the stereotype that kids are the only demographic for comic book or superhero media, when projects like Watchmen, THE BOYS, and Invincible all exist. It's a matter of corporate fear and internal politics.
In the MCU, I think we'll have a trilogy on highschool (the one we got already), one at collage and one as an adult...then probably we'll have a Tony Stark-like sacrifice
I feel like, Spiderman is at a point to where he should probably be leading the next generation of heroes, especially because he's been through so much
As a hardcore comic reader who’s read more than hundreds of issues of Spider-Man from 1962 to now, it’s been annoying how much he’s been pushed to being in high school, since he started out as an 18 year old and was only in high school for, and I’m not even exaggerating, not even a 1% of his comic history (Ultimate is an adaptation so I’m not counting it). His best stories come from when he’s an adult (death of Gwen Stacy, black suit saga, hobgoblin, venom, Peter and MJ marriage, Kraven’s Last Hunt, Harry’s death as Green Goblin, etc.)
Fr, it’s really disappointing to see the movies always keep him in high school. The MCU had a perfect chance to do something different. Spider-Man was an adult in the civil war comics event and yet they made him a teenager again in the MCU. They really got people hyped for take on Spider-Man that won’t retread on old grounds and yet they kept him in high school LONGER than the previous spider-men and the only changes they made were ruining the characters.
When I was growing up as a little kid in the 80s, Peter Parker was already this young adult guy. I'm not talking an 18 year old teenager young adult. I'm talking the guy seemed AT LEAST 22 years old, if not 24 or 25. He had young adult problems, he had his own apartment in New York, worked at the Bugle, I even watched him get married to Mary Jane. So I honestly legit thought Peter Parker was a college aged 20 year old guy to 25 year old young adult. Yes I knew he did get powers as a kid, but the comics I read weren't that old. The cartoons I watched always showed him as a college aged man. It was only in the late 90s/early 2000s when rumors of Sam Raimi's Spider-Man was coming out that I realized, "oh shit, he got his powers back in 1962 as a high school kid!". From 1999 and after, the push has always been to throw Peter/Spidey back to high school. I was relieved when Sam Raimi/Tobey Maguire only kept Peter in high school for a few scenes and quickly moved him to college and working at the Bugle. I never liked high school Peter Parker, never understood the fan push for him. Most of the best stories around Spider-Man come in college and even after.
Honestly I love Spider-Man being a teen because so many kids are able to relate to him (such as myself), but at this point I just want to see Parker grow up. It's like having a kid that you don't get to see grow up because he is always away, so you only remember him as a kid.
I think this is why so many people got pissed at Sony changing Peter's face in the Insomniac games Not just cuz is kinda random, but it makes him look young again - when the experienced adult Peter is what makes it so fresh
I can imagine a movie where there is a Peter Parker that grew up in the 80’s/90s and grew older, married MJ and started a family. Gwen Stacy in this scenario would be his late gf from HS whose memory and pain he continues to carry into his adulthood. In this movie Peter could balance being a Husband/Dad with continuing to be spider man into his mid 30s-early 40s. He and MJ could discover that their kids have abilities and figure out how to navigate that. There’s so many possibilities its crazy!
One Idea is to keep the 5 rules but start the origin story when Peter is 18/19. Instead of High school, Peter could be going to a Tech College for a Sciences or Engineering Degree. Random Jobs to pay for classes, run-ins with villains on the way to class. Still lives with Aunt May in till getting a steady-ish job. Many friends from high school still around, but there's rifts in the relationships. And MJ can be the welcoming neighbor at Peters new apartment. He would be like any other young adult... with spider powers.
Until they make a good live-action or animated adult Spider-Man film or series, regardless, imma keep swinging to Insomniac. It's the only best interpretation I can think of.
One idea I always felt was interesting for a High School Spider-Man story is what The Amazing Spider-Man 2012 kinda had. In that film, Peter doesn't initially take Uncle Ben's lesson about responsibility to heart. If anything, when Uncle Ben dies, Peter uses his powers for revenge and tries to track down his killer. And Peter thinks he's doing the right thing and is very surprised when Captain Stacey criticizes how this "Spider-Man" is a menace as he's doing vigilante work which both hurts many of the criminals he stops and even disrupts the police's investigations since he takes down some of their informants or disrupts criminal dealings. I'd love to see a Spider-Man Origin story where instead of Peter initially being that responsible hero, the story is him being irresponsible for longer. Like, he shows off his powers for personal gain. He takes down criminals using force just for the sake of taking them down or for revenge. Even his quips are more just him berating people instead of trying to be lighthearted. Maybe we can even have a section where Uncle Ben gives him a version of the Responsibility speech he initially misinteprets. Like, instead of seeing "Hey, I have the ability to help people, so I should use by power to do so", he sees a twisted version of that where "I have the power to correct some wrongs so I do so without thinking of the wider consequences". And then, over the course of the story, he sees how his more "Selfish Spider-Man" is actually selfish. Perhaps he sees how people in his school, who initially liked Spider-Man, start to talk smack about him which Peter doesn't initially get. Maybe he sees how criminals end up being deathly afraid of him and even injure themselves to avoid encountering him. The police began shooting at him on sight. Or Peter starts to feel guilty that he's not being a hero when he's studying when a crime happens. Perhaps the story spans a good chunk of his school life where by the time Peter Graduates, he has fully seen the error of his ways and what Uncle Ben actually meant and becomes that traditional Spider Man.
Im really excited for Tom holland spiderman in college, a lot of spiderman stories have him in college and you can have more range with your stories but the movies usually just brush past it
When I think of Spider-man I think of him being you know a man, not in high school. The only association I ever connected high school and peter was the spectacular spider-man and the ultimate comics up to the late 2000s, then the MCU comes around and now everyone thinks he's mostly a high school kid. Just really takes the man out of spider-man when he's still learning how to actually be spider-man vs being in his early to mid 20s aka his peak when all the truly masterful stories have originally taken place.
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I prefer Spiderman to be young adult that is trying to apply for University probably Masters or PhD instead of high-school student. As such I would say my preference for him would be around 19-21 years old at this time.
Insomniac Spiderman was good but felt they made him too experienced and is quick to pass the torch to Miles Morales because he is younger I guess?
Absolutely agree. The fact that Peter B. Parker will be the first movie Spider-Man to actually have a stable relationship and a family is insane to me.
Yeah I think it’s crazy
Read Spider-Man: Life Story, MC2 Spider-Girl, Renew Your Vows Spider-Man, Spider-Man Final Adventure, Spider-Man (2019), Dark Ages Event, Yeah PS4/PS5 Spidey, The Spider's Shadow, even Deadly Neighborhood Spider-Man and Lost Hunt are the new ones. I would've mentioned Spider-Man Reign, Savage Spider-Man, Non-Stop Spider-Man but they are crazy. 😁 Or try Home to Spider-Ben and Spider-Pete and What if Ben Parker Lived?
@@jcasali3391 I want Tobey to actually have a child whenever he shows up again, Mayday live action
@@RFyle119 they said movie
@jcasali3391 Tobey's spiderman isn't stable at all lmao
MJ cheats on someone in every movie. Wouldn't call her a "stable" partner
It's crazy how the bulk of the 616 Spider-Man's history is him being a college student or young adult but Marvel is obsessed with having him as a high school kid in media (movies and cartoons). The best Spider-Man stories were him as an adult.
Exactly
It's due to the Ultimate Spider-Man comics, which is heralded as one of his best runs of all time (Not THE best, just one of them)
Stupid notion that people can only relate to ‘people like them’ because the most popular Batman cartoons always revolved around Batman in highschool.
Civil War, for instance.
@@funnyfunnyvalentine7991 Yeah. I liked Ultimate, but it wasn't worth wrecking the 616 Universe and narrowing adaptations to a single stage of Peter's life
As much as I love Spider-Man started as a teenage superhero in high school which has us related to the character, his most interesting and memorable stories are when after he graduated high school and went to college and even graduated college. That’s why I love that Peter is already an adult and more experienced in the PS4 game and Into The Spider-Verse. The point of Spider-Man is him starting as a teenager so we can see him naturally growing up which is why there are stories where he’s married and have kids.
I feel like if the Raimi films continued, we would’ve gotten more adult Spider-Man stories for that film franchise. Anyways great video, Lewis.
I 100% agree!
That's one of the reasons why I love Spider-Man TNAS
What about '95 Spider-Man?
@@TheShadow1347 the Neil Patrick Harris one?
@@srstriker6420
Yeah, the one that had blonde Harry Osborn
I honestly want to see more of the Andrew Garfield Spiderman. In No Way Home he talked about depression, not holding back, & becoming vengeful. I am extremely interested in seeing how that unfolds & how he pulls himself back from the edge.
its always been a part of spidermans story. He halways plled his punches, he always had some degree of depression but he never stated it back then. He was stoic and pushed forward as all great heroes do
@@YOUCANTDOTHATONTELEVISION Yes but Andrew's version wasn't pulling punches & acknowledges his depression. His story became less of being Spider-Man & more about the toll being a hero has on him. I want to see that take & see how regains himself.
One of my favorite takes of Peter Parker, was in the Spider Girl comic with his daughter May Parker “ Mayday”. It was so interesting to learn why people quit being a hero and how he loss his leg. Then the family dynamics in the book were really well done as well.
Me too!
I've always felt that you could do a pretty cool movie based on that rendition. You could even tie it into the greater Spider-verse by having Peter be played by Tobey McGuire. It's been 20 years since his original Spider-Man movie, and 16 years since Spider-Man 3... plenty of time for him to have gotten married to MJ and had a daughter who's turning 16 and suddenly developing weird powers... and let's be honest, McGuire totally gave off "goofy Dad vibes" in No Way Home...
To me I wish he wasn’t lost his leg, but I agree with how he is with his family as a family man.
Whenever people talk about having Spider-Man in high school for a movie it’s usually punctuated by them saying, “that way they could introduce Mary Jane, Gwen, & Harry. That’s where he gets to meet all these characters in the comics. That’s what makes him so relatable.”
Reading the comics, Peter Parker met all the members of his supporting cast...in college...as a young 19-20 year old. It was never his age that made Spider-Man relatable, it was his relationships with his friends, family, and girlfriend. Where he interacted with Harry, Gwen, MJ & Flash is where fans found him the most like themselves.
It was never Peter Parker/Spider-Man in high school that made him relatable. It was always his supporting cast
The thing that I think most people tend to forget is that 616 Spider-Man was literally only in high school for 30 issues or so. He STARTED as a teenage superhero but it never defined him. Throwing him back into his youth every adaption is simply redundant at this point and only restricts the more interesting stories that could be done with his adult life.
I think it's fine to keep spiderman as a teenager in highschool as long as you can give something fresh to the story since in my opinion there is still something out there to interpret.
I agree. I feel like were running out of things
he speaks about it in the first minute- it would be fine, it's just more and more difficult to not be repeating everything and coming up with fresh, interesting concepts
@@LewisFilmsProductions how about we get an adaption that actually makes it to COLLEGE for once seriously 90's beefcake Spiderman was the ONLY animated Spidey to make it past highschool mainly because it started with him in College but still c'mon I mean Spectacular was going to do it but we'll ya know actually now that I think about it the MTV series did take place in his college years to but still also I would still like a Highschool Spiderman game taking place in the Insomniac verse because I'm a sucker and I'd like to see what they could cook up
@@wwaltonMiles Morales is the highschool Spider-Man of the Insomniac verse, he’s literally right there.
I think it’s time for Peter Parker to take a hiatus break from highschool setting and let him be the more grown up Spider-Man while have Miles Morales be the primarly the highschooler hero so that way we could balance out two Spider-Man taking in two different stages of life era.
@@Ye_B0i what can Miles stories have him do as a teenager that Peter already hasn't done? Especially when. His mom already knows he's Spiderman, the story in the PS4 game was just as predictable as a high school story and that doesn't make it bad so I see no reason why a high school Spiderman game with Peter shouldn't be on the table
The 90s Spider-Man series still has some of my favorite Spider-Man stories and I really think the college age setting really worked.
It was a great show!
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If the writers wanna keep Peter young what they could do to benefit the younger readers is maybe have Peter (who is now a family man) relive or tell those stories he had as Spider-Man (when he was still a teenager) through flashbacks
Good idea!
Or y'know, Miles Morales exists
I know that. But since the writers wanna keep Peter young I'm not sure if they'd wanna focus on Miles despite him having his own spin-off series. Maybe the stories Peter tells could take place before Miles got his powers, I don't know... I mean open to suggestions
@@SuperWarrior64 like it’s a Peter Pan syndrome
@@govardhanposina17 yea but he’s no peter Parker . Miles will never truly replace Spider-Man
I never really understood the emphasis of putting him in high school. Pete graduated and went to college before the 30th issue of his original series. They actually showed him progress to adulthood and kept him that way up until the 2000s when they did OMD (or the 90s if you think the Clone Saga was worse). It's not as if kids aren't going to enjoy Spider-Man if he's older than High school. When I was a kid my introduction to him was the 90s animated series, and he was in college in that show. We even see him getting married to Mary Jane (her clone really, but still).
I am really confused! Spiderman was not turned into a teenager after OMD he was still an adult. They just got rid of his marriage to Mary Jane. Matter of fact 616 peter parker is still an adult. Did something happen in the comics
@@sonnywoods6846 they keep him immature and unable to grow up mentally. That's my point
@@sonnywoods6846 Marvel got rid of the marriage because they thought him being married made him feel old. He may still be an adult, but now he can sleep around or make a wreck of his personal life, which they think is more 'relatable'.
So now we have Peter acting less mature as a 30 year old than he was as a 25 year old. It sucks
When I was growing up as a little kid in the 80s, Peter Parker was already this young adult guy. I'm not talking an 18 year old teenager young adult. I'm talking the guy seemed AT LEAST 22 years old, if not 24 or 25. He had young adult problems, he had his own apartment in New York, worked at the Bugle, I even watched him get married to Mary Jane. So I honestly legit thought Peter Parker was a college aged 20 year old guy to 25 year old young adult. Yes I knew he did get powers as a kid, but the comics I read weren't that old. The cartoons I watched always showed him as a college aged man. It was only in the late 90s/early 2000s when rumors of Sam Raimi's Spider-Man was coming out that I realized, "oh shit, he got his powers back in 1962 as a high school kid!". From 1999 and after, the push has always been to throw Peter/Spidey back to high school. I was relieved when Sam Raimi/Tobey Maguire only kept Peter in high school for a few scenes and quickly moved him to college and working at the Bugle. I never liked high school Peter Parker, never understood the fan push for him. Most of the best stories around Spider-Man come in college and even after.
Pretty sure the 90's series also started with him in high school but allowed him to grow up rather than keeping him there the entire series. I think that was the only cartoon Spider-man that allowed him to age past High School.
Unless you're talking about the other 90's Spider-man which starts with him already being an adult and traveling to another planet in a nanotech costume that looks similar to the Spider-man 2099 costume.
6:39 Peter Parker WAS a science teacher for many years in the comics in J. Michael Straczynski's run on the Amazing title. It was definitely explored, and some fantastic stories were told with it (some of my favourite).
Apparently MCU Spider-Man 4-6 will be him in college, so maybe by the 6th movie he’ll be an adult. Lol
yeah I was about to say that. He's been a teacher at least once, he's been a scientist and the CEO of his own company too.
Flip, even mid 20s Spidey is a nice take. I’d say so, that’s why Rami’s Peter is so unique and special. He goes to college, but he also has to manage a job and his RENTTTT!!
Hahaha yep!
WHERE IS MY MONEY??!
@@xenjoint475 you'll get your rent when you fix THIS DAMN DOOR
Crazy thing is Raimi’s Spider-Man is only 20-21
@@atribecalledlen3567 He was 18/19 in SM1, 21 in SM2, and 22 in SM3.
It feels weird because most adaptations up until the 2000s usually had him as an adult (or at least in college).
I feel like everything changed when the Ultimate Spider-Man comics came out and every adaptation has him in high school.
Indeed, and now people seem to think "Peter has always been in high school?"
When he was barely in high school in the 616 universe, seriously, his high school days were like a blip on the radar
@@TokuNorth Yes. He finished high school two years into the original series. He was in graduate school in the Nicholas Hammond series (as he was in the comics at the time) and in college on Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends.
When I was growing up as a little kid in the 80s, Peter Parker was already this young adult guy. I'm not talking an 18 year old teenager young adult. I'm talking the guy seemed AT LEAST 22 years old, if not 24 or 25. He had young adult problems, he had his own apartment in New York, worked at the Bugle, I even watched him get married to Mary Jane. So I honestly legit thought Peter Parker was a college aged 20 year old guy to 25 year old young adult. Yes I knew he did get powers as a kid, but the comics I read weren't that old. The cartoons I watched always showed him as a college aged man. It was only in the late 90s/early 2000s when rumors of Sam Raimi's Spider-Man was coming out that I realized, "oh shit, he got his powers back in 1962 as a high school kid!". From 1999 and after, the push has always been to throw Peter/Spidey back to high school. I was relieved when Sam Raimi/Tobey Maguire only kept Peter in high school for a few scenes and quickly moved him to college and working at the Bugle. I never liked high school Peter Parker, never understood the fan push for him. Most of the best stories around Spider-Man come in college and even after.
@@John-ct9zs Yeah, what happened to spiderman having work problems? Growing up I remember that was the big thing, that he always worked at the newspaper and was dealing with his boss.
They have the perfect opportunity to make an adult Peter in The Amazing Spider-Man 3. Like 2 plots. Him dealing with the mistakes of his past, and him dealing with the future
That would be awesome!
We already have a Spider-Man that has long moved on from the constant demand of High School and is better for it. The 90's animated series covers everything in Peter's life from end of High School, College Life, Jobs and actually moving further with his relationships. Spider-Man fits better in a College setting than High School, cause real life issues then have actual impact and needs to fund everything himself.
I highly recommend you to check it out the 90's animated series. It also further expands Peter's/Spider-Man's life like no series since.
Spider-Man can only exist in high-school for a certain amount of time before it becomes impossible to keep challenging him.
Part of the struggle of Spider-Man is balance. I wanna see Peter choosing to save a life over attending a job interview, ultimately meaning he's short with rent. That's an important & difficult lesson every Spider-Man needs to learn.
The fact that Kraven's Last Hunt has never been animated is flatly a crime. It is a 10/10 adult spiderman book.
I know right! I imagine a animated Kravens Last Hunt film could be similar to the Batman Animated films from the DCAU
@@LewisFilmsProductions Absolutely, it'd be insane to see the scene (spoilers for readers)
For the part where he bursts out from the grave.
It would be a work of art.
Idk, maybe bc Marvel animation has been dead for over a decade. And I'm not counting those weird Marvel anime
Really? Cool!
To solve this problem, I would love for the next animated Spider-Man series to be loosely based on Renew Your Vows. Make Peter and Mary Jane already married with Mayday as their daughter. Except instead of making Mary Jane his partner in crime fighting by having her siphon off of his powers (because like, wtf?), just make Miles his partner instead. That way, the producers can have their cake and eat it too by evolving the character of Peter Parker while still having their high school age character for younger audiences to relate to.
That would be awesome!
but Mayday would already be the highschool character for younger audiences to relate to, it's what the Spider-Girl comics did.
@@prufan I was thinking more so in the part of Renew Your Vows where she was eight or nine because then, you can relate to three age demographics for the price of one: children for Mayday, teens for Miles, and adults for Peter. Having a character for kids would be especially good if the show was aimed at a slightly younger audience with a lighter tone and more episodic structure.
This is why I would really like Marvel to make Spider-Man 4 with Tobey and explore adult life where he has kids and what it’s like to be Spider-Man at that age. Sort of like Old Man Logan but less dark. Perhaps maybe even kill Tobey off at the end if done correctly. This would be a great movie I think and would be unique and different whilst giving the fans what they want with one last movie with Tobey.
We need more Spider-Man series that have Spider-Man in college like Spider-Man TNAS did
Agreed!
Don't forget the 1994 cartoon as well
Also the 80s animated series.
When I was growing up as a little kid in the 80s, Peter Parker was already this young adult guy. I'm not talking an 18 year old teenager young adult. I'm talking the guy seemed AT LEAST 22 years old, if not 24 or 25. He had young adult problems, he had his own apartment in New York, worked at the Bugle, I even watched him get married to Mary Jane. So I honestly legit thought Peter Parker was a college aged 20 year old guy to 25 year old young adult. Yes I knew he did get powers as a kid, but the comics I read weren't that old. The cartoons I watched always showed him as a college aged man. It was only in the late 90s/early 2000s when rumors of Sam Raimi's Spider-Man was coming out that I realized, "oh shit, he got his powers back in 1962 as a high school kid!". From 1999 and after, the push has always been to throw Peter/Spidey back to high school. I was relieved when Sam Raimi/Tobey Maguire only kept Peter in high school for a few scenes and quickly moved him to college and working at the Bugle. I never liked high school Peter Parker, never understood the fan push for him. Most of the best stories around Spider-Man come in college and even after.
This is perfect! I hope we get older Peter stories in the future cause we’ve seen the high school stuff in games, movies and Tv shows. Time to explore more options with Peter!
Me too!
Lewis: "We've never seen adult Spider-Man before"
Tobey Maguire: "Am I a joke to you?"
Lmao
I'd argue 'personal relationships to the villains' was more of a college and onwards thing in the comics, in part due to how short the high-school years where so the relationships hadn't quite reached that point of development yet, with the arguable exception of JJ's Spider-Slayer and Scorpion exploits.
However over all there should be crossover between Peter's civilian side cast lives and Spider-man's supervillain fights, such as Betty loosing her brother to Glaxton and Doc Ock after he got into dept with them (also her mother got hospitalised, poor Betty). This was the story Spectacular adapted/merged into Liz and Mark's Molten Man storyline.
The two sides of Peter/Spider-man's life should always bleed into one another.
The real title of this video is "why spider-man's origin story doesn't work anymore"
If I'm being honest, I want an animated series or a standalone comic run set in its own universe (like when Ultimate Spider-Man first started) of Spider-Man 2099. While Miles is cool, Miguel was the OG legacy Spider-Man that kickstarted the "anyone can wear" the mask concept. He was not related to Peter Parker whatsoever outside of being inspired by the original's tales. He's also a full-grown adult when he got his powers. Not to mention that with the recent popularity of the Cyberpunk genre with the release of Bladerunner 2049, the Cyberpunk 2077 game, the Cyberpunk Edgerunners anime, and his upcoming role in Across the Spider-Verse, it's just prime time to have a story about Spidey 2099 set in a dark dystopian future New York/Nueva York. While I have faith in Across the Spider-Verse portraying Miguel well, I also want a story focused on Miguel that takes full advantage of the inherently grimy, dark, and borderline nihilistic aspects of the Cyberpunk genre.
Unfortunately Hollywood’s obsession with rebooting might always prevent us from getting an older Spidey in his adult years. 🤷🏿♂️ someway somehow they’ll always find a way to put him back in high school.
if they exist in the same universe, they should make miles the teen spider-man and Peter the main Adult one, heck 616 Miles even is on his own Teen titans esque team
That would work!
I was thinking about this while playing the games. Comic miles already has so much in common with Peter, he could just fill the exact same role that teen Peter did, while Peter gets to be an adult with adult responsibilities on top of Spider-Man stuff,
I think the video game is one of my favorites because he's still young in his 20s but he's already gone through all the high school and college drama. It allows the game to tell really mature stories as well as relating to that work life balance.
I’m excited to see how it follow him later on in the franchise!
actually, the Insomniac Spider-Man begins when he's 23, Peter's been doing the whole spider thing for 8 years when the game begins and it's a really interesting parting point, since he already has made a long interesting cast of enemies and alredy knows what is like to be Spider-Man. Of course they did this because they teenager Spider-Man is Miles, but Peter really works as he struggles with having a job and being a superheroe, just like Raimi's version of the character in the second and third movie.
I always think back to when Stan Lee said how anybody can be behind the mask as Spider-Man and that high school/college portion of his life portrays that the best. Or at least that’s how I’d feel it.
MCU Iron Man and Doctor Strange are superhero stories about 40 year old men and I think younger audiences have been able to appreciate them just fine
I agree. My first exposure to Spider-man was Spider-man the animated series. He was a grown man. MC2 was really refreshing, although I do wish they included the kids of other heroes.
Up until 1999/2000s, Peter Parker/Spider-Man was always portrayed as a college aged young man/young adult of around 22-27 years old in the various cartoons and one live action 1970s TV show. The comics had him as a college aged guy since at least the late 1960s. It was only post 2000 that this obsession with throwing him back to high school over and over again started, mainly to appeal to new kids. Before 2000, the mentality was we need to appeal to a wide audience and the only way to do that is make him a college age young adult.
@@John-ct9zs Yeah, even to the point of undoing his marriage with MJ because it made him look too old.
They were pointless and added nothing to the story, they shouldn't have even existed
The other reason why I think Highschool Spider-Man doesn't work anymore, is because he's no longer the one and only school-age superhero. We have other superheroes fulfilling that role like Kamala Khan and Amadeus Cho which means Peter Parker is no longer special and there's no reason to keep him there anymore.
Spiderman hadn't been in high school since the '70s. Except for Ultimate Spiderman, most of the comics he's in college, or working.
He's a young adult, facing adult things.
90s Spider-man on the Antimated series was set in college. Tobey Maguire started his Spider-man career after high school. So for me, high school was done. Move on to college.
Only movies and Shows always put him high school. I can’t remember the last time I read a comic of him there.
Sure, and most of the shows depict his origin story with Uncle Ben and all, but honestly I dont know that they need to. Does anybody nowadays go into any form of Spiderman media not knowing his origin story?
Yeah that’s the issue. The mainstream are over-saturating it
Not sure if you heard this before but spiderman unlimited had an adult peter
Not saying that I don’t like his teenage stories, I also actually liked a lot of the comics when Spider-Man is more grown up or adult it feels like he actually had time to grow up instead of him always staying a teenager.
Spider-Man TAS (90’s Series) you actually see him as an adult for a while. Because you see he technically gets married to Mary Jane in that series. You also see Peter as an adult in the Spider-Man Unlimited animated series.
I said this in my video on the same subject, but the easiest way to have your cake and eat it too is to focus on Miles in high school and Peter as an adult.
What pisses me off most about Marvel Comics now is they can have their cake and eat it too.
They keep having Peter be young and not growing up to have that youth appeal for Spidey. But miles morales is RIGHT THERE now!
If you want to tell an adult oriented Spider-Man story. Use Peter. if you want to have a more young adult/kid friendly Spidey stories, tell them with Miles as the focal point.
You can have it both ways now, Marvel. Just use some actual thought
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You make a _very_ strong case here (👍)! Yeah, there really is so many times you can tell a ‘high school Peter’ story until it gets to a point where it becomes state. And I for one would _hate_ for that to happen to the character.
Me too.
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I’m getting tired of the misconception that Spidey villains should have a personal connection to Peter. Idk why so many people think that should be the case. In the comics, the vast majority of Spider-Man’s rogues don’t have a personal connection to him. Very few actually do. Yeah it can be really interesting, but it would get really convenient and annoying if they all did
They don't need to be. Personally I find it to be a much more engaging story since a large part of Spidey's core character is built of personal stakes.
Sure they don't all have to be, but it makes the villain more tragic. Like Spectacular Spider-Man, we get to see most of the villains before they even become supervillains. A great example is Eddie Brock. I like the fact that this time, they were childhood friends and we slowly get to see their brotherhood deteriorate. Makes for some nice storytelling.
The best example of spider man not being in his high school days is in marvel's spider man by insomniac games in which doesn't depict his origins story like any other media he's in I mean spidey in that universe has been a hero for 8 years straight so he has the experiences at being the hero he's destined himself to be greater than anyone else and be better than ever
Which is good, but he’s still kinda in that teenage-like phase. Nothing new has been explored with his character yet other than a few things here and theee
@@LewisFilmsProductions Yup You and I are pretty much tired of seeing spider man being younger all the time in his high school days.
I definitely get your point, I think I they do the highschool thing because it allows them to elongate the story, and make him not get old so fast. But that’s just my opinion !
Spiderman isn't forever a teenager at least not in the comics. The 616/main spiderman comic has never reverted the character back to a teenager. It was alternate stories
In Raimi’s Spider man 2 Peter is fresh out of school and trying to make a life for himself working at the bugle, and his friends are doing the same, Mary Jane is finding success on broadway, Harry has just taken over oscorp, and they all come together in the beginning of the movie for Pete’s birthday after not seeing each other for a significant amount of time. That time period in life works so well for those characters but has barely been explored.
I want an ITSV spin off movie about Peter B Parker being a dad and a teacher, the movie can be called “Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man”. Or at least a movie about his daughter, Mayday as Spider-girl. Either way the story is about him dealing with having a family to provide for and superheroing.🕷🕸
Omg sameeeee
I like that idea
@@LewisFilmsProductions who would the villain be?
@Aaron Pablos I think the villain has to be someone who was not used yet, at least as the primary antagonist. Vulture can be in as a minor villain.
Looking forward to your audiobook. I can say that one potentially really good story that could be told with an adult Peter is, ironically, one without him. Imagine this: it's about 10, 20 years into the future, long after Peter first became Spider-Man and grew into his prime. He's still Spider-Man part-time, however like you said, he now has more, even greater responsibilities. He has a full-time job, and he has a family. AND, while he's still Spider-Man, he's past his prime. Eventually, a foe appears: maybe someone he fought in the past, maybe someone new altogether. Peter dies, leaving behind his wife - presumably Mary Jane - and his kid, who witnessed the whole thing. It could be his daughter Mayday Parker, it could be a son, or it could be siblings: doesn't really matter. The fact is they were born with the powers Peter had, and upon seeing him - their father - get killed by some lunatic while he was protecting not only innocent lives, but also those he loved and while they were still young, it could see their origin story begin in a much different way than Peter's did: one driven by vengeance. Over time, they learn the same lessons that Peter did when he was younger, that hate is a dangerous, poisonous thing - it really is - and that, of course, with great power comes great responsibility. Just something I came up with on the spot: it can still be fleshed out a lot. Thoughts?
Thank you! And that’s a really good idea. I like how it parallels Peter from his younger days
I came across this video by accident. And after hearing about what you said, I cannot help but agree. He is Peter Parker. Not Peter Pan. But the peoples in charge of creating his stories and adapting them wanted hi mto remain "Peter Pan" as much as possible in order for the young audiences to feel connect to him.
Also, I also know another way of creating an origin for Peter Parker. Making him one of the traumatized victims of war. Of course, the setting and worlding might need to be different such as Earth is being part of the Shi'ar Empire and it was subjected to raid by the Kree since Earth is considered part of the Shi'ar's territories. As for Peter, his parents died in the raid and is forced to grow up to take care of Uncle Ben, Aunt May and his sister, Teresa. The raid defined Peter as an adult later on when he joined the war against the Kree, which is still raging on, as Spider-Man in an attempt to make the different and to avenge his parents while also swearing to kill every single Kree that he came across. Whatdo you think of this as his an origin of a version of Peter Parker as Spider-Man?
" he was always in highschool" except for when he isn't. Like the times he is in college, or in his 30s.
90s spider man is so cool because of this, peter completes his university already in the end of the second season and the rest he dont have to care about schools any more, and there is at least two episodes that shows him as a teacher. And that is my favorite version of spider man.
This reminds me of a time in Spiderman comics around the 90s where the opposite happened how readers hated that he got away from the simplicity of a down on his luck teen so when the Ultimate Universe was announced which I consider the true patient zero for this mess came around and was popular it was a breath of fresh air for most people. Now its just annoying and even taints my enjoyment of other spidey series like the MCU and even Spectacular which I really shouldn't since that show is near perfection otherwise.
5:33 Thank you for putting it into words.
Yeah it did, I’ve heard all about how people wanted it different back then. Now it’s Swaying in the opposite direction!
this is why the mtv series is beyond underrated, it's able to explore those more mature themes without totally alienating children from watching it
I think as awesome and interesting spider-man's stories are when he's an adult, there is good reason to have the story start with him as a teen. There's lots of opportunity to see tons of character growth AND have him relate to younger audiences initially while still keeping the aspect of transforming and living relationships with other characters as he grows older. All very fair points made in this video :)
I don’t get why people think kids need a teenaged Spidey in order to find him relatable. Most superheroes are adults and kids are fine watching Superman, Batman, Iron Man, and Thor as adults. And I know there are shows where some of them are teens like Legion of Superheroes and Iron Man Armored Adventures, but those are few compared to Spider-Man.
I would definitely love to see an older and more experienced Spider-Man
Same
Well, the Insomniac Spider-man game starts with a Peter who’s already finished college.
I agree, we’ve had like 3 in a row with him in high school. They should do a show where Peter is a freshman in college like TAS and TNAS. The show could have four seasons, one season for every year of his college.
As a young Spider-Man fan I am interested in seeing more adult Spider-Man stories, I love the high school stuff but there’s enough already and most of it is descent but I really want something new
Fair enough!
Then you should check out the comics. 55 years of the main continuity comics are about him as an adult. Almost every classic Spider-Man run is easily accessible by Marvel Unlimited.
I'd be happy to give you recs
For me the best way to do this is to show a peter Parker who’s close to retirement but still kicking, then he meets a younger Spider-Man, maybe not miles but Ben Riley, he has to train this new Spider-Man while trying to discover new things about himself, thier relationship and banter would play similar to Rick and morty or something
My first Spiderman anything was Spiderman 1 with Tobey. My first Spiderman. COMIC was Kraven's Last Hunt.
I'm a bit surprised to hear people reboot Petey to high school, since my third grade self thought it was super cool to learn Peter's story goes to marriage and beyond, which made me more excited to see the movies explore college, adulthood, and so on. (Plus I got to feel mature and cultured because I was reading a gritty book for teens, lol.)
The Highschool thing is already overplayed. We want something fresh. We want to see Peter grow! Everyone who does Spider-Man writing or whatsoever, puts him in Highschool almost all the time! Spider-Man is a coming of age independent superhero who broke ground in comic book history! The first hero without a mentor or being someone’s sidekick. He had to learn on his own. That includes finding jobs, paying bills on time, dealing with bullying, handle carrying all that responsibility. We all relate to him because he’s just like us! Not even Batman nor Superman can compare to him. He is just some kid from queens who didn’t asked for all this, but still decided to do it. Easier said than done, because other people would abuse their powers. Many actually. He is the embodiment of the indomitable will of an average person. When we put our mind to something, nothing can stand in our way. Ultimate Spidermam (2000 comics) captured Peter really good and with a solid good storyline.
Now there ruining him. I guess that’s the price you have to pay when you are one of the most popular icons in the world🤷🏿♂️
I agree
The filmmakers actually have a chance for making an adult version of spiderman now. Everything was already set up in No Way Home with Toby's spiderman.
Some ideas that I would like to see explored in spider man media.
1)An actual origin movie. As in who was Uncle Ben before he died? How did Peter feel about his parents? Why did flash have it out for him and how would Peter respond when he was powerless? Why did Peter need the great power speech? Then the spider bite can be the culmination instead of the beginning of the opening or a flashback.
2) I would love to see an older spider man be more like the Flash to his villains.
Height of his comics run were college and adulthood.
The 90s animated series was in his college and adulthood years.
Spectacular was the only one that made his high school years work, but they did it drawing upon a lot of his college year stories.
I was fine with MCU doing a high school trilogy, but honestly I kinda expected a more brisk pace so we'd be confident in getting a high school trilogy, college trilogy, post-graduation adulthood trilogy before we saw any talk of Holland moving on from the role. We've had some shaky periods within the first trilogy already...
0:32 "and some of his best stories coming from he being in high school, like" and then you add MCU spider to the list💀💀💀
Mcu Spider-Man is good dunno what you’re talking Bout
Spider-Man is THE first non sidekick Teen hero ever.
Yep!
i actually always completely forget hes a high school student i think of him as an immature man so really i think making him older wouldnt matter bc look at deadpool hes funny and immature u can have a lot of the things that you have with him as a high school student but changed a little
It’s an interesting point you make here. I have a video coming out next Saturday about the recent Spider-Man comics and I speak about this issue in a bit of detail!
He's only been immature since OMD though. Before that, comics actually valued character development
Spiderman was an adult for most of his career and comic book volumes. Him being a teenager is a recent trend of reboots
One angle I'd like to see, that was partially explored in The Amazing Spider-Man, is a grittier look at New York, with a more vengeful "outcast" Peter Parker. Starting by going on the hunt for his uncle's murderer, simultaneously feeling an urge to help others he comes across during his "hunt", creating an inner conflict for what he believes is justice, and what Uncle Ben would have really wanted. I would like to see this Spider-Man have more run ins with characters like DD and Punisher, and more demented/down to earth villains, like Sin-Eater, Tombstone, Silvermane, Cletus Kassidy long before he becomes Carnage.
TBC, Uncle Ben's murderer isn't some hot shot, he is just a robber that killed the wrong man.
So it would be a New York that works more akin to somewhere like Gotham? I think that would work pretty well for a dark Spider-Man story like you mentioned
@@LewisFilmsProductions truthfully, yes, a more Gotham like city. Or honestly, Spider-Man Noir if it was modern day New York, minus the guns, although I can see Peter using gun parts to make his web shooters, make Web-Slinger a sort of intentional Pun on Gun-slinger. I wouldn't alienate his more sci-fi/crazy villains, but the start would definitely be more grounded.
I guess PS4 Spider-man has us covered then.
I do believe the 616 comics did have Peter be a teacher for awhile. I also recall some later issues where he was a scientist for Horizon (this was long after he stopped working as a photographer I believe?). And even more recent, though it's over now, he owned his own company. No clue what he's doing now as I stopped reading the comics years ago.
The reason why Marvel Entertainment is so hellbent on keeping Peter Parker young is that the company's upper management has the genuine belief that relatable characters can only be young and filled with angst. They see all generations harp on their formers and how they could've been better in their youth, and want Peter be on the winning side of that battle. If general audiences and consumers don't see the preconceived status quo, readers and filmgoers won't give up their money to see the same story they already know. Even if you work later stories into Peter's youth, you have to rewrite and tweak multiple story points to justify the lack of experience under Peter's belt. Marvel is a company under ownership and jurisdiction of Disney, and will do anything to satisfy the corporate mouse. One More Day was written for Marvel to undo everything up until Peter was just leaving college. In the 80's, Marvel gave Mary Jane a miscarriage to "ensure" that Peter doesn't supposedly "lose appeal." By being considered a parent. Marvel is trying to live off of the stereotype that kids are the only demographic for comic book or superhero media, when projects like Watchmen, THE BOYS, and Invincible all exist. It's a matter of corporate fear and internal politics.
In the MCU, I think we'll have a trilogy on highschool (the one we got already), one at collage and one as an adult...then probably we'll have a Tony Stark-like sacrifice
I feel like, Spiderman is at a point to where he should probably be leading the next generation of heroes, especially because he's been through so much
As a hardcore comic reader who’s read more than hundreds of issues of Spider-Man from 1962 to now, it’s been annoying how much he’s been pushed to being in high school, since he started out as an 18 year old and was only in high school for, and I’m not even exaggerating, not even a 1% of his comic history (Ultimate is an adaptation so I’m not counting it). His best stories come from when he’s an adult (death of Gwen Stacy, black suit saga, hobgoblin, venom, Peter and MJ marriage, Kraven’s Last Hunt, Harry’s death as Green Goblin, etc.)
Fr, it’s really disappointing to see the movies always keep him in high school. The MCU had a perfect chance to do something different.
Spider-Man was an adult in the civil war comics event and yet they made him a teenager again in the MCU.
They really got people hyped for take on Spider-Man that won’t retread on old grounds and yet they kept him in high school LONGER than the previous spider-men and the only changes they made were ruining the characters.
When I was growing up as a little kid in the 80s, Peter Parker was already this young adult guy. I'm not talking an 18 year old teenager young adult. I'm talking the guy seemed AT LEAST 22 years old, if not 24 or 25. He had young adult problems, he had his own apartment in New York, worked at the Bugle, I even watched him get married to Mary Jane. So I honestly legit thought Peter Parker was a college aged 20 year old guy to 25 year old young adult. Yes I knew he did get powers as a kid, but the comics I read weren't that old. The cartoons I watched always showed him as a college aged man. It was only in the late 90s/early 2000s when rumors of Sam Raimi's Spider-Man was coming out that I realized, "oh shit, he got his powers back in 1962 as a high school kid!". From 1999 and after, the push has always been to throw Peter/Spidey back to high school. I was relieved when Sam Raimi/Tobey Maguire only kept Peter in high school for a few scenes and quickly moved him to college and working at the Bugle. I never liked high school Peter Parker, never understood the fan push for him. Most of the best stories around Spider-Man come in college and even after.
This is the reason why,
The Dark Returns graphic novel story surrounding a much older Batman was published during the 1980s.
I started reading Spider-Man back when McFarlane drew him. We were all cool with a married Parker.
Someone can even do a Spider-Man story set in high school where Peter Parker is teacher for the school's janitor instead of a student lol
Honestly I love Spider-Man being a teen because so many kids are able to relate to him (such as myself), but at this point I just want to see Parker grow up. It's like having a kid that you don't get to see grow up because he is always away, so you only remember him as a kid.
Spider-Man 90's and the MTV one are good older Peter's
An Adult Spiderman is a great idea, it would be really good to see new versions of spiderman and maybe new characters as well
I think this is why so many people got pissed at Sony changing Peter's face in the Insomniac games
Not just cuz is kinda random, but it makes him look young again - when the experienced adult Peter is what makes it so fresh
I guess you could compare it to that yeah
I can imagine a movie where there is a Peter Parker that grew up in the 80’s/90s and grew older, married MJ and started a family. Gwen Stacy in this scenario would be his late gf from HS whose memory and pain he continues to carry into his adulthood. In this movie Peter could balance being a Husband/Dad with continuing to be spider man into his mid 30s-early 40s. He and MJ could discover that their kids have abilities and figure out how to navigate that. There’s so many possibilities its crazy!
I do agree because having Spider-Man staying as a Teenager and in High School is too much.
One Idea is to keep the 5 rules but start the origin story when Peter is 18/19. Instead of High school, Peter could be going to a Tech College for a Sciences or Engineering Degree. Random Jobs to pay for classes, run-ins with villains on the way to class. Still lives with Aunt May in till getting a steady-ish job. Many friends from high school still around, but there's rifts in the relationships. And MJ can be the welcoming neighbor at Peters new apartment. He would be like any other young adult... with spider powers.
He was only in highschool for 11 years of the comics, so I never understood why that's what all the shows and movies do.
I'm fine with what we have. Because it makes sense for his origin story to be set in highschool. At least now we're getting his college years.
I’m glad we’re at least getting him in college now
Until they make a good live-action or animated adult Spider-Man film or series, regardless, imma keep swinging to Insomniac. It's the only best interpretation I can think of.
The most likely place we would see an adult Peter is probably a Miles story (lik the Spiderverse film, or the ps4 game to an extent).
The 1994 Spider-Man cartoon (Peter's in college at ESU) is about as close as we're ever really going to get.
One idea I always felt was interesting for a High School Spider-Man story is what The Amazing Spider-Man 2012 kinda had.
In that film, Peter doesn't initially take Uncle Ben's lesson about responsibility to heart. If anything, when Uncle Ben dies, Peter uses his powers for revenge and tries to track down his killer. And Peter thinks he's doing the right thing and is very surprised when Captain Stacey criticizes how this "Spider-Man" is a menace as he's doing vigilante work which both hurts many of the criminals he stops and even disrupts the police's investigations since he takes down some of their informants or disrupts criminal dealings.
I'd love to see a Spider-Man Origin story where instead of Peter initially being that responsible hero, the story is him being irresponsible for longer. Like, he shows off his powers for personal gain. He takes down criminals using force just for the sake of taking them down or for revenge. Even his quips are more just him berating people instead of trying to be lighthearted. Maybe we can even have a section where Uncle Ben gives him a version of the Responsibility speech he initially misinteprets. Like, instead of seeing "Hey, I have the ability to help people, so I should use by power to do so", he sees a twisted version of that where "I have the power to correct some wrongs so I do so without thinking of the wider consequences".
And then, over the course of the story, he sees how his more "Selfish Spider-Man" is actually selfish. Perhaps he sees how people in his school, who initially liked Spider-Man, start to talk smack about him which Peter doesn't initially get. Maybe he sees how criminals end up being deathly afraid of him and even injure themselves to avoid encountering him. The police began shooting at him on sight. Or Peter starts to feel guilty that he's not being a hero when he's studying when a crime happens.
Perhaps the story spans a good chunk of his school life where by the time Peter Graduates, he has fully seen the error of his ways and what Uncle Ben actually meant and becomes that traditional Spider Man.
Im really excited for Tom holland spiderman in college, a lot of spiderman stories have him in college and you can have more range with your stories but the movies usually just brush past it
Me too!
When I think of Spider-man I think of him being you know a man, not in high school. The only association I ever connected high school and peter was the spectacular spider-man and the ultimate comics up to the late 2000s, then the MCU comes around and now everyone thinks he's mostly a high school kid. Just really takes the man out of spider-man when he's still learning how to actually be spider-man vs being in his early to mid 20s aka his peak when all the truly masterful stories have originally taken place.
I grew up with Peter being a college student in the Amazing Spider-Man cartoon from the 90s
The storytelling potential of spiderman settling down with MJ and having kids is ASTRONOMICAL. Marvel literally should have done that back in the 90s
Love your videos, Lewis! Keep it up man!
Thank you!