Spider-Man Comics Aren't the Same Anymore | Video Essay
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- Spider-Man Comics Aren't the Same Anymore | Video Essay
The Marvel Spider-Man Comics 616 are not the same. Peter Parker is constantly in the same tandem with the same character traits and needs to move on with Mary-Jane. The stories are running out with a broke Peter Parker -
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I miss the days when Peter was married, was a science teacher making positive impacts in his students lives as both Peter and Spider-Man, I miss the days when he and Mary Jane were written the understand each other more than anyone else. I miss the days when Peter was allowed the become a responsible adult, who struggled with how he could handle being both a hero and a teacher. I miss adult Spider-Man when he was allowed to truly be an adult.
My favorite issue is when Peter started to ask for the job of a teacher and stop a student to do a school shoot
They need to bring that back
Yeah same
I miss those day when he was married with mj I grew up with his daughter
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Peter should be like Wally West by now, a hero and a family man that we got to see grow up.
i agree peter should be like Wally west by now who's a hero and a family man that we got to see grow up.
@@TevyaSmolka yeah because I think Peter Parker in high school is getting old and outdated
@@srstriker6420 indeed and not only that it would also let Peter parker finally move forward as a character and stop holding him back to garbage stories like we have right now.
Funny you should mention Wally West because once DC new 52'd the Flash, they retconned all of Wally's development. It never happened. The entire post-Crisis Flash series is just gone. No Max Mercury, no Impulse, no Flash family. Same with Green Arrow's Oliver Queen. By rebooting the character (and poorly, I might add), you eliminated his long time relationship with Black Canary, his relationship with his son Conner Hawke, Mia, Roy(Speedy/Arsenal/Red Arrow) and GL and Flash. You destroyed his family!! Nobody ever considers the price of retconning or rebooting a comic book. DC got lucky with Crisis, but only because they treated it seriously. Wally became Flash in memory of Barry. Now it's all gone. As nice as it was to see Barry again, it wasn't worth the price.
@@TevyaSmolkasame here agreed
Marvel comics really likes to put Peter through shit after shit and say
"Look guys! Peter's struggling! Hes relatable! Isnt he so relatable???? Look!!"
Yeah they make it so obvious
Ok that excuse is just bull shit cause that’s not what this is at all
Relatable? Maybe it's because I don't have my own personal halo, but even pretending to forgive someone like Norman Osborn, who's caused as much pain to Peter AND those around him, is not at all relatable to me.
But it might've been interesting to see Norman show up, insisting he'd reformed; while the Symbiote was still trying to bond w/ Peter & feeling very protective of him.😏 ... No, I take it back. Peter would've probably fought the Symbiotic to save Osborn, which I would've hated seeing😖
At some point it's like that one high school friend that still hasn't grown up. Like damn bro we hitting close to our thirties. Do something with your life lmao
@@cristiantapia631 hahahaha this is exactly what I mean
The thing about comics is that they will never end. I got frustrated with comics a while ago, but after I realized that they are made of moments, it got easier to enjoy them.
Exactly why I follow writers and artists, not individual books. It's always better to treat individual runs in isolation.
@@Tyler_W THIS!
I was so frustrated with comics, then Jonathan Hickman started his run in the X-Men comics. I was like, wow this guy has an idea and he knows exactly what he is doing.
After that I realized that every run for a comic the writer has a vision for the character and he is going to tell the story he wants to tell. We still can criticize the quality of these stories, but criticize the lack of progression/closure in comics it's just a lost battle because that's how comics work.
Agree
You know what's the problem though? It wasn't like this at all in the past!
Peter started on highschool, then he graduated and went to college, then he married, then he graduated college and so on and so forth.
Spider-Man used to be the character who moved forward!
@@regionfuego6 But that was expected. Every character has a beginning and when you start you have everything, villains, arcs, side characters, all is new.
Peter Parker got lucky, because he started as a teenager and we got to see his journey to his 30-40 years, the standart age for most characters in comics. But every character also should have an ending, that's when superheroes start to fall flat.
There's only a few of them who you can say progressed, Cyclops, Hank Pym, Miles Morales, Loki, but that's only for now, eventually they will reach their limit.
The point of spider/Parker is that he always rises up by himself. In New comics he's either giving up or unfairly losing everything.
Not to mention they just refuse to let him and MJ be happy together. Not to mention lately MJ went from someone that understood Peter better than anyone and someone he could depend on even when the worlds against him. To a and pardon my language an absolute bitch that puts him down any chance she gets. Not to mention in the most recent comics ever since she got with Paul she’s been treating Peter like crap. Old MJ even when she was dating someone else never treated Peter this badly.
Honestly Peter as a teacher would be great I think. There’s be lots of chances of a crossover with new teenage heroes and the setting will still feel similar to early spidey comics but different enough to feel new.
It would be really funny if Paul was actually Mephisto still trying to keep Peter and MJ apart
Edit: Nevermind. It's over
Yknow what, as awful as that sounds I can totally see them doing that 😂
Yknow what, as awful as that sounds I can totally see them doing that 😂
@@LewisFilmsProductions
They won't. You forget Peter and Mary Jane were broken up because it was hard to write Spider-Man stories while they were married.
So Paul being revealed to be Mephisto in a story that reunites the two? Hell will freeze over before that happens.
@@balmung7599
Well The Fantastic 4 are superheroes too as Sue fights along aside Reed, Johnny, and Ben. And with the exception of Iron Man 3, Pepper was a minor character in the MCU for Iron Man.
The impression I got from the notion of Peter and Mary Jane's marriage being hard to write is the notion that Mary Jane had to be a major factor in every Spider-Man story since she knew his secret. When this isn't true, as Spider-Man could've gone on many adventures while Mary-Jane tended to her career, and then he'd tell about it when he'd get back home.
But rather than take that risk and have readers ask:"What about MJ?" They nixed the marriage entirely. But again that's the impression I'm left with.
That...would actually be a damn good twist to the story.
You know modern Spider-Man comics suck when the best story after One More Day doesn't even have Peter Parker as the main character, but one of his biggest nemesis, and it's about him trying to make a better life for himself as Peter Parker, and be a better Spider-Man. The funny thing is he actually succedes in some parts, and Octavius is a better protagonist than Peter ever was after One More Day.
Yeah
Shame they had to kill him off the maintain the status quo.
Like there's nothing wrong with passing the torch to someone else and have peter do his own thing or mentor the next generation.
Like maybe idk, miles morales becomes the next spiderman with his own thing and peter helps out from time to time if things get really bad.
doc ock as peter/ spidey being successful in life is actually the life that the real peter should be having, if only his writers/ marvel would stop putting him down
When they did Renew Your Vows that was literally everything we all wanted and then it ended and I haven’t been reading modern Spider-Man comics in a while now. I just go back to the old stories or even jump into Ultimate Spider-Man cause these new stories just ain’t it man. They need to let my boy grow up and PROGRESS as a character
Yeah I agree
What was his job in that series?
Nah
@@pn2294 he was a teacher
@@no.1spidey-fan182 no he was still working at the Daily Bugle
90s and JMS Spiderman was peek Spiderman
Great point you bring up at the end, if Peter has a daughter he can be out mentoring her, while Miles is the Active Spider-Man
Yeah that would be great
Agree
I had no idea the comic industry after Stan Lee's passing are refusing to age Peter up to his adulthood. At this point, it'll have the comic readers loose interest and thus Marvel will loose money and business unless they change 😔
I agree that including firing people and editors
this has been an issue in the comicbook industry in general for the past 20-15 years tho
Marvel's been doing this for decades it's the whole reason one more day exist.
Spiderman should've stayed married as a teacher navigating the hardships of adolescents then I dunno I wouldn't be mad if he had a kid with spider powers
Yep
Agree
I'm ok with them moving Peter's story along, and making him become a scientist, or a teacher. As long as they don't change too much.
And about MJ getting super powers, that WAS weird!
Yeah that was very strange
Giving MJ power is like giving Louis Lane power. Disrespectful to their characters.
@@INFERNO95 exactly!
I have a theory that MJ died somewhere before the recent run and that bracelet is a result of Peter trying to resurrect her with Norman’s help and the technology he stole from the fantastic four
@@INFERNO95 To be fair, “Lois Lane gets superpowers” is a really really common Superman storyline. It’s always either temporary or in another universe or in a dream/what if scenario, but there are tons of stories about that.
I think editorial sees Peter's poverty the same way they see Tony's wealth. It's a core part of a static character. Economic mobility that would normally happen in real life breaks the archetype that peter is anchored to
Very interesting take
They just don't want Peter and his character to move on, it's the same cycle for Peter slowly building him up into a stable adult life to then rip it apart so Peter can start from square one again.
The Nick Spencer run felt like he was actually making Peter grow as a character but it felt like editorial fucked with the ending of his run.
Because thr editorial staff seems to be part of the old guard and they refuse to let Peter grow up.
@Elijah Boyd there just stuck in the past
Joe Quesada was one of the reason why Ome More Day isn't getting undone
So until thr rest also go, it's staying
Now that Miles is on Earth 616, there's no reason to regress Peter's development just to keep him relatable to teens.
Agree, I've tried to tread modern spider man comics, but I can't force myself to finish that crap. Just stick with the classics.
Yeah
And this is why Marvel should've instead reboot its mainstream comics universe.
Cause, if Marvel did actually reboot its mainstream universe like DC did, they should allow Peter go back to his high school or have be a college student when he first bitten by the radioactive spider.
the ps4 spider man black cat comics are actually quite amazing, it's just a prequel to a game yet it's pretty damn good
The main problem with marvel comics (and DC) is that they use sitcom story structures. Anything can happen, but it will always go back to the status quo in the end.
I’m glad more fans are giving Superior the respect it deserves. It’s not perfect, but it highlights my favorite Spidey villain and gave us a very interesting death/rebirth arc for Peter. A lot of people forget that Peters ghost was there from the beginning - no way the mind swap was going to be permanent
I can’t wait till superior gets adapted too!
@@LewisFilmsProductions The ghost of Peter was stupid and annoying
The only way for me to accept Superior Spider-Man if it wasn’t a mindswap; but Peter thinking he was Dr. Ock acting as what he thinks Peter is.
@@EliParker28 Thats ACTUALLY stupid.
@@CarterPresentsComics for you it may, but for me it’s the only way that run makes sense.
I always felt that Peter was way too smart to be as broke as he was. I liked when Dan Slott had Peter running that tech company years ago because if felt like a natural progression for a science prodigy
Peter was a teacher in the early 2000s. It was pretty good. Wish they'd write good stories like that and not chase likes on Twitter.
Yeah I wish they did something like that again
I agree with just about everything except a little bit about Norman. After reading the Gold Goblin issues I’ve become kind of invested on how far Norman can develope before he eventually becomes the Green Goblin again. But I think at the end of the day it’ll all be for nothing if they don’t allow Peter to develope too.
I hope that he doesn’t become the green goblin again. One problem with comics is that you know no matter what happens things are going to reset to the status quo
Honestly, after they reverted Otto back to being a villain after everything that happened with Superior Spider-Man I just can’t get invested in any “redemption” arcs in comics
Like straight up I think the only character that’s been able to change throughout their history is Venom/Eddie.
@@Wiki1184 then they “brand new dayed” otto to make it even worse. I really don’t see why they needed Otto to be a villain anyway. Spiderman has to act like a complete moron for Otto to even be a viable threat to him.
@@christianrapper but then he has crossed one to many lines which should definitely make him a lost cause and I don’t know why the Dark reign isn’t brought again because he has definitely wronged the Avengers
@@srstriker6420 every villain has. It’s comics. He has literally been a threat to the world. He should be buried under the jail. Realistically Peter should never be willing to work with the man who murdered his first love. However, since the comics are willing to overlook all that then so am I. It’s pointless getting invested in this story line when you know what’s eventually going to happen. It’s like I knew somehow that they were going to get rid of Parker Industries.
I took a break after Nick Spencer’s run, which I really enjoyed due to Spencer actually allowing growth.
Yeah don’t blame you for not reading Well’a run
His run and the Zdarsky run on his side book were the last great Spudey books since Superior. You can really tell when a writer does and doesn't "get" the character and knows how to do what he needs to be a good character again.
Bruh Spider-Man comics haven’t been the same since Civil War. It’s been almost 15+ years of Spidey fans getting their balls kicked in. Like why can’t MJ and Peter just have a family already
Marvel need to have Peter and MJ get back together permanently, let them have kids and have Ben take over as spider-man and train his niece and nephew.
Agree
Or just have miles be the spiderman that has teenage problems. Jesus marvel doesn't know shit
@@cristiantapia631 eh I don't like miles
@Dominic Soto I don't like how he's written now ,but he has potential. Like a lot but marvel being marvel well you know....
J. Michael Straczynski's run on Amazing Spider-Man was everything you wanted and more. Absolutely loved it. Of course, Marvel made him compromise some story plots that would've been way more interesting, but overall, it was definitely my favorite.
Spiderman comics died when Peter made that deal with Mephisto to sacrifice his marriage.
As much as I hated that, at least they gave his identity back
I will say I kinda enjoyed back in black before OMD
@bruhmanofyear2 superior spider man sucked. Concept alone is NOT enough
There are so many videos like this and so many people brought this point across so well. One more day was the straw that broke the camels back and outside of Superior, which has ALSO been undone 🤮, characters have only been REGRESSED instead of progressing! Look what they did to my boy Eddie! 30 years of development GONE!I would other do exactly what you described here, or and I know this will be controversial, get rid of Peter for a year or two. We have Miles! He's clearly the young Spider-Man Marvel wants and could use some development too. and after that Peter should be a teacher again like in the JMS era or join the ESU or Reed as a scientist. Either way the blandness of the last 20 years needs to stop!
I agree!
Actually IMO only Peter has been regressed. I love Miles. Even he gets to grow as a Spiderman character and a person. However, Peter is constantly reverted back to being broke.
Nab, just write Peter better. He doesn't need to go anywhere. They just need to stop messing around. Miles is an okay character at best and really redundant since he was thrown into the 616. At the very least he needs his own codename and an angle that distinguishes him from Peter Parker. Nobody calls him Spider-Man, because Peter Parker is who everyone assumes you're talking about when you say that name, and rightly so. Story-wise, they either need to allow Peter to stay leveled up as a scientist/professor/superhero team member and then make Miles the loner street hero, or Miles needs to find his own niche altogether. Maybe make him the Multiversal hero since that angle worked so well for the movie, or maybe make him one of Nick Fury's SHIELD operatives. Most importantly, they need to lean hard into his characterization in the movie. In his movie, he's actually a unique and likable person. In the comics, he's more or less just a less funny, less clever, less intellectually gifted, less charismatic Peter Parker. The fact the newer MCU movies basically gave Peter parts of Miles's life and nobody batted an eye about it just proves it. The fact they've tried to ship Miles and younger alternate universe Gwen Stacey further proves that Miles is riding Peter's coat tails and getting his sloppy seconds in just about every way imaginable. He's little more than "Peter Darker" in most of the comics, and they need to find him his own niche and lean into the more unique and distinct personality the movie gave him (there's a reason the movie had to basically rebuild the character from the ground up). If he's going to stick around, he deserves better. The time they did "what if Miles was Thor, Wolverine, Captain America etc" proves that he's less his own character and just a pallete swap of existing, better characters. The movie showed he has potential, but they need better writers who aren't afraid to do something interesting and different with him, because as it is, most people don't actually like Miles Morales. They like the idea of Miles Morales.
"I miss the old Spidey, the good ol' spidey seen on the comics spidey. I hate the new Spidey the always sad spidey not written spidey look on the news spidey..."
Basically, bring back J.M.Strazynsky (or however it's meant to be spelled) but keep Joe Quesada very, veery far away
Lmao
The 80s was the best decade for Spidey.(by that, I mean the comics)
@@bruhmanofyear2647 the clone saga and one more day we're better?
70s are my personal favourite for Spidey
The best part is him and black cat romance love them together
Also Peter is not good with Norman being good he struggles to work with him and he does it to try and keep him from becoming the man who killed the love of his life
The Problem with the Parker Industry story is that he didn't build Parker Industry Doctor Octopus did. To me Dan SLob just made Peter Parker look incompetent. Dr. Oct made him rich and as soon as peter takes over, he destroys the company and goes broke and everybody blames him!
Also, I wish they would bring the Spider baby back and give Peter and MJ their daughter. He should have May, Anna-May, and Benji
It's kinda funny and sad reading older comics like Roger Sterns run on Spider-Man and how he has him being a teacher/teacher assistant who people like a free lance photagrapher and has him not but be a "UwU boy how do I act around girls I'm scaaawrd" but a guy who has talked to girls and is used to it.
Also as a strogn hero who doesn't need to be saved every other issue. This run had him beat Nitro , Moonstone and Juggernaught. He is literally respected by many heroes and villains and people and is feared by the villains because is considered one of the experianced and best heroes.
Heck everybody in the run makes note of how stromg and fast he is. Weird how marvels more loved runs are where he is capable sadly marvel will not listen anytime soon since many people in marvel are gwen stans who are satly she is dead.
Honestly if there not going to have Peter and MJ together then what’s stopping them from resurrecting gwen
Considering I just saw a page where Peter refers to MJ as 'like a sister'...
WTF, man!!!!
I will give you that Peter Parker being broke at 30 makes no sense because he is practically a genius, but the idea of a 30 year old being broke is not really unrealistic…
I agree
But by the age of 30 he shouldn’t be in the same place he was a decade ago, he’s not in college anymore
@@mikesmith145 Yes i agree, that was the point i was making…
I THOROUGHLY enjoyed Peter's time in the Big Time Arc. He had a girlfriend, Black Cat was his crime fighting Partner AND he was FINALLY working a job where he could make ACTUALLY MONEY...while producing gear to UP his game as Spider-Man💯
How about Peter as a college professor. That way he can be a teacher and a scientist.
I'm reaching a stage of life where I am starting to physically catch up to and age beyond the character I love. I turned 28 last week. One thing that time has revealed to me: you can get your feet planted in a job in a steady job and in a steady relationship, and that doesn't mean your stresses and anxiety are erased. In keeping with a key piece of Spider-Man's character, despite the blessings of a job and relationship, you do have more power and responsibility. Your work can affect lives, and when you have a significant other, your words and actions can change their world for better or worse. That's some serious responsibility. Peter can have a solid job and a marriage on the mend, like in the Straczinsky days, and still worry about paying bills each month, get stuck under a collapsed building as Spidey and get in trouble for being late to work (or his absence could really negatively impact someone who was counting on him, feeding that bottomless Parker-guilt). He can worry about whether or not he's present enough for MJ or whomever he's with, and that same worry can carry to his children, friends, and other family. The idea he can't have these things, still be relatable, and still balance that power-and-responsibility tagline doesn't appreciate the scope of the character (and what is likely his largely aging fanbase, if we're being real).
I write these next thoughts as someone who, when you take out the context of One More Day, think there are some fun stories in Brand New Day and I even really like good portions of Dan Slott's run: This era of Spidey answered a question *no* *one* was asking, and we have gotten far more than all of the mileage we can out of the "can't keep a job and/or relationship going" iteration of Peter. For now, at least. Between BND, Slott, Spencer, Beyond, and Zeb Wells, many writers have had a spin on this perpetually down on his luck Peter. If Marvel wants a "young Peter" book but doesn't want to reboot the Ultimate line, make a new anthology series where stories are one-and-done or no longer than two or three-parter, and set it in his younger years with the most iconic iterations of these villains. Or do something in the vein of the Peter David "Symbiote Spider-Man" or the new "Joe Fixit" mini-series where you just set stories in the character's past. I think the young and broke Peter needs to take a pause for everyone's sake.
Edit: as others have said too, Miles can take the young Spider-Man mantle, too. The new #1 was really great. Solid start to the story and fantastic art. If you want modernized young Spider-Man done well, give it a look.
This is a brilliant point you're making about power and responsibility. It doesn't make sense at all to keep him single, unattached, with no job. What works best with Peter's themes is to up his powers and responsibilities, and that implies stable job, stable relationship, growing roles. It's what would work best artistically AND what we are all asking for!
Not a big fan of the Wells run but I’m assuming MJ’s kids and Paul are part of some larger scheme which I wish they would reveal already. Also “what Peter did”
Low key I think Paul is mephisto
Haven't read the newest run but I agree Peter should be married with kids and making actual money. Just make Renew your Vows the main story
Peter and MJ being apart in this new run is super weird as well because they were on the cusp of undoing Brand New Day, or moving on from it in a positive way, and reactions were positive across the board. Then a new writer comes in and just undoes it with a big weird mystery box "What did Peter do?!" thing that just isn't actually interesting at all.
Personally, I don't mind Norman being good - it's clearly temporary for just a break from the norm (pun intended) - but it'll depend how it plays out and if it sticks an interesting landing. But I also don't have much faith in that happening.
I always found it a little ridiculous for peter to have money problems at 15, even if his family is struggling, most 15 year olds aren't expected to also provide. I didn't have much money growing up but my parents wanted me to focus on school and let them handle the financials, it's pretty irresponsible of may to shoulder the responsibility on a child and I hate when it is brought up as an argument for spider-man adaptations
That makes sense but I guess in peters case, he has to help his aunt, because she can’t pay the bills after Bens death. So due to his circumstances, Peter gets elevated into a place of responsibility
May is frail old women who isn’t making enough to live so obviously Peter has to help out
In the original run it was the 60's, it was much more common then.
@@akhal22 yeah im like a LOT of 15 year olds are expected to provide in this country wayyy more than you know
It seems like you were in a different income bracket than Peter then.
I agree with your idea I like how you mix spider girl and renew your vows a little bit with the green goblin and mj stuff (and I bet that those aren’t mj Biological kids it wouldn’t make sense for her character since it’s a big deal for her to give her own kids a great life not one with divorce and she only will probably have a kid with Peter)
When Peter had everyone hating him I know this was gonna be ass. But a small part of me still had faith and hope it would be good.
Then he kissed black cat and that last bit died too.
The sad part is that I’m kind of in the mood for a different romance now
@@daffyduck9323 Like what
Well someone who actually supports both Peter and spider man for one thing
@@daffyduck9323 Fair enough
I hate to say this but I really wish Peter ended up with Gwen
I think you just wanna read Daredevil and don't know it. Financially stable (for the most part) check, mature check, never gonna forgive his arche enemies double check. Also generally just more quality stories than the spider overall.
It’s funny you mention that I’ve actually been meaning to read Daredevil for a while. I’ve never really read any daredevil comics so I should get on that!
@@LewisFilmsProductions Daredevil is probably the most consistent Marvel character. Almost all his runs since Miller are amazing, even the current one.
You see, when think about it, Spiderman comics were doomed to fail from the start. Peter parker was created to be reletable to your average person - A way for the common people to see themselves in this world of supers. The thing about normal people is that we evolve, our lives, our friends, our enemies, our struggles, they change with the passage of time, sometimes becoming unrecognizable, and eventually... Our stories end. PERMANENTLY. But spider man lives in a world that goes on forever and never changes. Do you see the problem here? the real kicker is the fact that peter parker is Marvel's money cow, so even if the writters wanted, they could never truly evolve and end his story or pass the mantle to someone else, because they got to maintain their precious status quo. (OBS: This problem isn't exclusive to just spider-man. In fact, I would say that ALL heroes suffer from this repetitive status quo on some level - with is the reason I quit superhero comics - but spider-man is the most obvious example, because of the reasons i already explained previously).
So here's the paradox: Do you keep peter in the same status quo, taking away his relatability, or you continue to evolve him, reaching the point where he inevitably dies? No matter what choice they chose, only one of the two parties (Marvel - The Fans) would benefit from this. They obviously chose the option that would benefit them. So, I don't think spider man will EVER be as good as they once were.
Kinda of the reason why I think INVENCIBLE (IMAGE comics) is a better spider-man comic than anything that came out of Marvel in... Well... EVER. You should give it a read.
Personally I'm starting to think the clone saga was a better idea , having a clone become happily married with Mary Jane
Have Ben take over as the new Spiderman ,you then let Ben go in his own direction ,and after a set amount of time it could naturally turn into miles
I hate miles not because of the concept but because the gimmick they forced him into with Peter being young again and flooding the market with cross dimensional Spidermen
Miles was better off in his own universe .
Jo Jos bizarre adventure had the correct way to doing things
@@raven-sf3di indeed
This is an amazing video essay and I love the presentation that you took
Thank you!
Remember the Clone Saga? There was a bit when Ben Reilly took over as the full-time Spider-Man, and Peter and MJ moved out of the city. Peter got a job, MJ was pregnant, it really felt like things were moving forwards...
But no, nothing's allowed to change. The child no longer exists, Peter and MJ are separated again, Peter's back to being broke. The story is just a broken clock.
Amazing Spiderman hasn't been the same since vol. 2 started in 1998(?). They definitely had a few good stories and ideas since then, but they really should've just ended Amazing Spidey and/or rebooted it if they wanted to do teenage spidey and unmarry him from mary jane etc. Ultimate Spiderman was a great reboot. They should've had something like the Renew Your Vows run be the main Amazing Spidey series if they wanted to continue the Amazing run. That and a combination with *some* of JMS's ideas like Peter being a high school teacher would be great.
TLDR; I completely agree with this video
Just let Spiderman be happy.
It just seems ridiculous that some of the writers just keep recycling the same nonsense where Pete is fall back he progeress,then falls back then progressess and it's just annoying and making me less interested in the current Spidey run and the whole Peter and MJ splitting up or getting back together is ridiculously repetitive,it's simple really let Peter evolve as a character,they can take some inspiration from the Ps4 game,hell even Spider-Verse but he can still have his flaws when it comes to trying to balance his normal life and hero life but also managing to get a job and a have a somewhat financial stability,he doesn’t necessarily have be like stupid rich,but they have him getting by at least and not have being completely broke again,they should experiment with these ideas and attempt to execute them,although the whole Parker Industries idea didn't sit alright with me cause I was now getting Iron Man or Batman vibes from it,later on it did work for a whille after the whole Superior Octopus saga,but in a nutshell Marvel can't keep rehashing old suff,we've seen it several times,we can't seeing Peter Parker show zero progression in his character,cause people are disputing the fact that you'd wanted newer readers to be able to relate to Spider-Man but don't recycle the same material everytime
I totally agree
I would love a comic line where peter is training his and mj's kids to eventually take his place like old batman from the 90s animated series.
Western comics keep wondering why they keep losing ground to manga while keeping their comics stuck to the same storylines and rogues gallery they've had for 40 years.
Fact is, Marvel didn't Learn from Grant Morrison When he did X-Men. When he Came to the Franchise he Evolved the X-Men, Dan Slott Evolved Spidey on his Run, He had Spidey taken over by Ock, During Ock time as Superior Spidey he Improved Peter's life, Peter gains a Degree in Engineering, Then Later Established a Multi-Billion-Dollar Company. Only for Marvel to Erase All of that & Have Peter be Broke & Live under Someone else's Roof. That's not Moving the Character Forward, it's Moving him Backwards.
They could also play with Peter mentoring Miles Morales and trying to help Miles take on more of a role as Spider-Man as Peter’s life develops. Maybe even play with his insecurities about having a kid through his interactions with Miles. You know, like what Into the Spiderverse did!
I want Peter to be happy and older. I also think Spider-Man with a beard would be cool. I am also sick of Norman Osborn. I would like some more villains besides boring ones like him.
Teacher was done brilliantly by Straczynski. University consultant, helping in research division with a push from his friends Mr, Fantastic and Mr. Stark could be a nice start. Peter not wanting to be beholden to anything doesn't take their money just the help to get his project started off the ground. Then let him struggle that way for money. With due dates and stresses similar to before but new. And then have him buy a house/loft, build something for himself, with the growing fear of losing it all and finally put aunt May to rest. But grow new relationships and build on his existing ones. Let him, albeit at great personal cost, honor their legacy somehow.
Peter always felt like a character you can relate to because he's down on his luck. He's broken and feels like he's lost. His story, in my mind, is supposed to end with him being ok, just like how you'll be ok. Maybe not a multi millionaire, but eventually, you figure it all out. His story is about responsibility, overcoming hardships, and growing up. But like everyone says, they don't let him grow. Just want my boy to own a property with a wife. Maybe 2 kids and a dog.
Yeah I agree
This is why I like SpiderVerses Peter so much.Peter B Parker is clearly still Peter Parker,but this time he’s worn out,tired and after some of the things that happened as he got older,like his divorce with Mj, it’s like he gave up,but then Miles came and a “spark” ignited back in Peter,and over time during the movie he regained confidence and hope to make things right with Mj in the end.Truly one of the top best adaptations of our classic Spiderman/Peter Parker. Then we got this comic series……..🤦♂️
😅😅😅Yeah I already read that ASM Run until Dark Web event showed up? I still say go for Spider-Man: Life Story, MC2 Spider-Girl, Renew Your Vows Spider-Man, Spider-Man Final Adventure, Spider-Man (2019), Ultimate Spider-man (Real Earth-1610), PS4/PS5 Spidey, The Spider's Shadow, even Deadly Neighborhood Spider-Man and Lost Hunt are the new ones. Already mentioned the cray the crazy Spider-man comic story (Reign, Savage, Non-Stop).
I’m still jaded that the issue after Nick Spencer’s run it dismantled everything he set up regarding MJ and Peter.
Peter staying broke is the one thing that actually does make sense. Have you been grocery shopping lately? And NYC rent on top of that? Bro will never be free
I mean tbf
the problem is that they actually can't stop rehashing, even if they wanted to.
they have cultivated an audience that consumes rehashes, if they try to move away from that their profits will crash and burn until a new audience is created.
but they can't take those losses because they're tied down to a million other things. even if it ended up working they can't afford to have such a temporary crash.
it's the nature of huge corporations, they often can't change course.
LewisFilm:"Peter being broke in his 30s is unrealistic."
Me(being 34 and having money troubles):"I'mma just ignore that..."
The worst part is that C.B Cebulski doesn’t want Peter and MJ to stay together, we need a new editor in chief
Yep. This is the issue. All of Marvel is frozen specifically because they are afraid to age Peter. They even have Miles now.
Although, I do think the Norman stuff is fine. They have played a bit with Peter being conflicted over this and when Norman goes back to the dark side it will only increase the intensity of their rivalry.
I don't really know how Peter being broke in his 30's is unrealistic. You have to keep in mind that Peter doesn't have the luxury of having a full time job, especially when at literally any time of the day some ass hole is causing chaos in the city, which Peter has to stop. Peter being broke is probably a lot more realistic because he IS Spider-Man.
Marvel is trying to see how people turn off from purchasing the comic
Comics stopped being interesting after the 90s in my opinion.
I recall from various docs about Peter/Spider-man where the comics talking heads have a mantra that 'Spider-man/Peter is defined by being the underdog hero.' They will always fall back on this default version of Peter. It's not just Spidey, it's just about any A-tier comic character. Part of reading comics without going mad is realizing that they will only go so far with character development before they set a character back to zero, or near zero. DC will do it by doing soft or hard reboots every 5-10 years. Marvel does it by retcons. I think they have a '10 year sliding timeline' or some other nonsense, but obviously you can't fit all the continuity from the 60's onward until today in that 10 year period. So they change characters backstories, sometimes radically, they just don't do it with some 'Crisis' style event. Okay, I'm done. Thanks for the video. You make great points.
There's no salvaging this mess. It needs to be retconned into oblivion. Whoever was associated with it needs to be fired and blacklisted from comics.
Yes, yes, and yes. I’m honestly planning on dropping the title because of the refusal to have Peter grow in order to maintain the “status quo”.
Yeah
Here’s my take on the issue if you’re interested.
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I really miss when Peter went back to his old high school to be a science teacher... there was something about that, that really made him feel like a true "friendly neighborhood" spider-man. Not only was he a superpowered hero, he was also giving back to his community. smh...
They haven't been the same since OMD. Everything since then has been tolerable, til now. Ever since the Beyond story, it really feels like the people in charge can't even pretend to care anymore.
Remember when Mj worked for iron man? When she was cool without super powers and worked in the superhero community and it actually had an effect
I disagree that Peter should ever have something like Parker Industries to solve his money problems because making Peter CEO of a company takes away the everyman aspect of the character. He should definitely have a stable job at this point (with a few bumps due to his double life) but one that suits the character, like a science teacher like the JMS run or researcher for a smaller company like in Spider-Man PS4.
As for Peter and MJ constantly being in a "will they, won't they" situation since One More Day, the reason this keeps happening is that a lot of the editors and higher ups do not like Peter being with Mary Jane and/or flat out dislike MJ's character due to unreasonable bias. There's also the problem that Marvel inherently does not want Peter to settle down in a relationship because they want Peter to still look like a young bachelor despite being in his thirties at this point.
This brings me to the overall problem and reason why Peter has not changed since 2007 and won't anytime soon: as long as the current editors of Marvel remain we will never see Peter evolve and grow like he did through the 60s and 80s. The current editors is essentially full of people who yearn for the "good old days" they grew up with where Peter was a loser teenager with constant money issues and girl problems. They're constantly trying to appeal to the next generation of kids and teens while ignoring long-time fans who want to see Peter move forward and become a family man with Mary Jane. In Marvel's eyes, Peter growing up and settling down isn't "appealing" or "relatable". They believe Peter should be trapped in this limbo of never growing up because they're under the delusion that it's what he's all about, which spits in the face of Stan Lee and Steve Ditko's vision of the character.
Thanks for coming to my nerdy ted talk.
The fact that people think that this is the first time Norman became a hero is frustrating. Remember when he became Iron Patriot and led the Dark Avengers? Yes, he wasn’t fully heroic as he was struggling with his Goblin persona resurfacing and dealing with criminals and having criminals and murderers on his Avengers roster, but he was working to become a hero in his own misguided way. Marvel doesn’t even acknowledge it now that he’s Gold Goblin.
Yeah iron Patriot happened but his motifs were still evil to some extent, he was still that same Norman Osborn, this time he’s an ACTUAL good guy, his whole character has changed
@@LewisFilmsProductions yeah, but the fact that his time as Iron Patriot and leading HAMMER is never mentioned either in ASM or even in his own miniseries after he debuted as Gold Goblin is ridiculous
I just want Peter to end up with someone other than Mary-Jane. I’m sick of the back and forth. There are other women Peter could get with.
I agree with you about Norman being good. He is one of the few villains who deserves no mercy.
That’s a good idea, or just put them together permanently. I’m almost sick of them just breaking up and being back together again
No MJ forever lmao
Idea: Paul gains a alternate evil personality in a accident and kills his kids and mj gains trauma from this. Paul then becomes a new Spider-Man villain and Spider-Man must stop him and avenge mjs kids. Then mj and Peter get back together
Nick Spencer’s run started off great to me but it slowly became apparent that they were just treading old ground
"Peter being broke in his 30s in so unrealistic" Whoa there buddy, check your privilege lmao - you can grow and progress through life and still have financial issues -- thats how it goes for most people
How sad is this. and I have seen so many people who have come out of the recent volume of amazing spider man like Spider man fans, Marvel fans, and just comic book fans in general. Personally, I'm more of a DC person but I was raised more on Marvel when it came to film since, I grew up in the 2000's. It pretty much has everyone split into threes. Some love it, some hate it, others are 50-50. but very few people I've seen have said "I love this new volume I'd read it again." a certain percentage of fans meanwhile who say that they quote on quote "like it" are often like "Yeah it's alright I don't know if I'd read it again it had its flaws, but it was good and alright" This is Mary Jane Watson were talking about here. The most important relationship to Spiderman. That alone writes itself how you just pretty much destroy everything that a previous author was trying to do, replace it with a story that's just as bad if not worse than Brand New Day, and just completely ignore fans complaints going forward. It's criminal. And I gotta say I feel bad like I feel as if Spider man fans (or at the very least the ones who read the comics) have been getting dicked around now for way too long and I feel like I've been waiting since I discovered the existence of OMD for a massive character growth for Peter not to mention a really great spider man story. And once again I have to move the yardstick again like Nick Spencer's run was good but it never amounted to anything in the end apart from retconning sins past which brought me to the beyond saga and even with the parts I thought were interesting I thought it was alright. Well John Romita Jr is a talented spiderman artist and he's done 2 of my favorite hulk comics of all time surely he.....OH MY GODDDD. Well hopefully the next writing team and if not that hopefully the next writing team. Truth be told I have more faith now that Joe Quessida has finally left Marvel. But at the end of the day this is still in my opinion a cold, calculated, sad, pathetic move by a studio that has Batman envy so bad that they are willing to do anything to try and catch up. But all they have done is taken the worst Batman has to offer like no happiness or victories for its main character, new suits that are completely useless or underused, main character being harsh, critical and short-tempered, and notoriously slow to trust, keeping things hidden from his closest allies, constantly brooding and pushing his friends and family away. And none of the things that make Batman great like soul, a spirit of justice and hope, F***ing humanity. All of those things they chucked out so now we've got the worst of both worlds. I loved the hell out of the recent Batman movie that came out this year but I didn't like it just for the mafia subplot. Well that's all we get in the first story arc of the new volume for ASM and like I said all the humanity is gone and I don't know much about Zeb Wells so that doesn't help like......just....MAKE A GOOD STORY! YOU DON'T NEED TO DO THIS! Like do you people read a spiderman comic to see batman. I mean I'm sure a lot of you don't even read spiderman comics and you're probably not going to want to now after what they've been doing to him and MJ lately. Let me rephrase the question would turning the Spider-Man homecoming trilogy into a batman type series make it better? NO! Like I don't go to a Spiderman related media to see Batman. I go to Batman media to see Batman and even then I'm getting kind of Batman'd out because of DC overusing the character a lot recently. Which is why I wish Marvel would get their god damn ass together and actually do something but do something original, new, and it's own thing. STOP TRYING TO COPY BATMAN! I don't wanna see you do Batman. I like you because you're Spiderman. And not only that you're just getting into it too late. Like I'm getting tired of Batman doing it and now you wanna do it? The balls and the hubris to think you can really pull this off like Batman does and do this as well and just copy Batman's formula. It's F***ing ridiculous don't do it. just focus on making a really great set of spiderman stories. Like stop trying to copy the batman formula over there. Let him do his own thing. I don't know. I continue once again moving the yardstick to every writing team post One More Day discovery I hope they get their shit together because I love Spiderman. Batman might still be my favorite comic book hero of all time, but Spiderman is a close second. So even though a DC character is still my favorite it's making me cry watching this happen to a Marvel character again and again
I can see Peter being everyones favorite science teacher and Spiderman having a superhero mentor role with a troop of young supers including mayday. To make sure to doesn't feel too much like X-men though it would probably see one at a time usually, like having superhero tutor sessions and what have you.
The Zeb Wells run on Spidey is like Tom King's run on Batman. Both are awfully written runs on beloved characters.
How about one more Spider-Verse: vs Mephisto this time?
One more day and Superior Spider gets retconned. Peter, Otto, Miles, Chasm (and probably Jessica, Takuya, etc) fights Mephisto to destroy status quo.
Nope. For me I go back and read the classic john romita sr comics. And earth x, universe x, paradise x but yes zeb wells is terrible fr dark web. Like I can't dear God who ever writes Spider-Man next better be "amazing" lol.
Lmao let’s hope
Let's face it. As much as some fans try to deny it, One More Day IRREVERSIBLY broke the comic book spiderman. Literally every problem described can be traced back to that one, single moment that broke Peter Parker as a character.
Yeah you’re not wrong
It ain’t a spiderman comic without him being broke as shit and literally running around living by scraps to scraps. His money will never be going up
I didn't hate Parker industries I hate how they got rid of it Pete should definitely be rewarded for all the stuff he's been thru
At this point I'm not even sure that I want Peter with Mary Jane anymore. They have been on and off so much in the comics that is starting to feel like an unhealthy relationship. Just get him with someone who helps him out emotionally, maybe someone who can kick some ass(to divert from the standard non-powered couple), she doesn't have to be a superhero but she could be someone who can beat up the average thug, I don't know.
I would also go against using Green Goblin again, just drop it and move on. I know this is all supposed to be "The final clash" but just get over with it. The story said that Green Goblin is no more because it was a demon possessing Norman? then that's it, maybe someone else can be Green Goblin now, something like that is going on with Carnage after all.
Get Peter a job, maybe have him working multiple jobs but make him managing to have a proper house. How is Spider-Man supposed to be the icon of *RESPONSIBILITY* if he can't take care of his own life?
Marvel's writers: "No no, Spider-man had basic rules to follow, You can't make him a father with family for the moment"
Also Marvel's writers: HEY, Let's give some lucky Powers to MJ and another marriage with Gordon Freeman, despite Gordon Freeman never appears in the comics...WITH KIDS!!
They also broke his personality. He's a second-rate Deadpool. Spider-Man was occasionally a wise-cracker to piss off/distract a villain. Not an insufferable douche nobody else wanted to be around.
Plus now they have a teenage/young Spidey in Miles Morales. Which makes it even more pointless to stunt Peter Parker like this. Let him marry MJ. Let him have kids. Let him grow up. Hell, Batman has a kid. Superman is married with kids. Goku is married with kids. And yet that hasn't made them any less appealing.
Good video brother !!!
I've said this before but I like the marriage because it made sense and both characters got a chance to grow and yes we got an alternate reality where they stayed married and had a kid but I would have liked that in the main time line because there's so much you can do with that like you could show Peter training the next generation of spider kids It would have been interesting and also I don't like that it retconned all of the great villain stories we got out of it like maximum carnage or the venom storyline origin or kraven last hunt It just frustrates me that they reboot the run every time there's like progress made and think that people still want to buy this they want the character to grow and the best example of that was the first half of the j Michael strazinski run in my opinion I feel like the second half was taken over by editorial for one more day and sins past in my opinion