Meaning Through Responsibility | The Heritage Foundation & Dr. Kevin Roberts | EP 397
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- Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with the current president of the Heritage Foundation, Dr. Kevin Roberts. They discuss the operations and practical utility of think tanks, the state of progressivism across academia, how multiple generations of students are now incapable of facing adversity while claiming to fight it, and why intellectual combat is not something to shut down, but to champion against dire falsehoods.
Dr. Kevin Roberts is the current and 7th president of the Heritage Foundation (granted the role in 2021), an American Conservative think tank tackling issues on border control, immigration, inflation, among many other policy driven topics. He received his PhD in History from the University of Texas. After this, he taught history for a number of years. Then, in 2006 he founded the John Paul The Great Academy, a co-ed, K-12 Catholic liberal arts school in Lafayette, Louisiana. He was president for 7 years before resigning in order to become president of the Wyoming Catholic College.
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(0:00) Coming up
(0:23) Intro
(1:45) What is a Think Tank?
(6:45) Early signs of corruption in academia
(12:48) Why we think
(16:44) The necessity of combat in thought, the proclivity for the left to cancel
(21:33) Predictors of politically correct authoritarianism
(25:27) Even if we don’t like the answer, we want to be able to ask the question
(27:44) Radical emphasis on individual
(29:38) When an evolutionary approach is challenged by a creationist christian
(32:00) We are removing the challenges from life that make people strong
(33:22) Faith becomes dogma without curiosity
(35:06) Why you should continuously refine your beliefs
(44:02) The Exodus Seminars, the break down of civility in Washington
(46:56) How the Heritage Foundation established community and open thought
(50:51) How does the Heritage Foundation choose ideal thinkers?
(54:20) Core principles that unite all members of the Heritage Foundation
(57:30) Where the Conservatives have gotten it wrong
(1:01:32) Subsidiary vision, and it’s roots in the Catholic doctrine
(1:03:16) The issue with the free market, the war on poverty
(1:05:45) Why bear more responsibility?
(1:08:42) Arguing for “unhyphenated Conservatism”
(1:13:00) Where the Left and Right can align
(1:14:35) The danger of regulatory capture
(1:17:21) The core problem with Ayn Rand’s doctrine
(1:29:37) Where Ayn Rand succeeds
(1:32:55) The Heritage Foundation funding model
(1:35:15) How you can get involved
(1:37:56) The 2024 election
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Ayn Rand wrote repeatedly against hedonism and stated that a man's rational self interest was a broad conceptualization of the goals and values one undertakes in their long term life, baring accidents and such. It's in her essay works more so for the technical stuff in objectivism, and the various speeches she gave.
exactly. Leonard Peikoff's Objectivism the Philosophy of Ayn Rand really lays out the egoism argument and the ethics behind it.
The religious “conservatives” will never have guts to address the points Ayn Rand makes in her non-fiction works, such as “Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology”.
There’s an obvious reason for that. They’ll inevitably have to admit their own complete intellectual bankruptcy (and even worse, acknowledge being used as active enablers of the destructive collectivist ideologies they supposedly reject).
The Fountainhead by Ayn Rand is a better example of her Objectivism not being a means to leverage against another in business transactions.
Atlas Shrugged was more of an example of the extremes of collectivism than an examination of Objectivism.
Signed,
Liberty 5-3000
I like to call Stirner and Nietzsche "Hedonic Egoists" whereas Rand was a "Eudaimonic Egoist"
Which is to say a real Egoist.
@@davidwatts1791 Rand had not formulated Objectivism when she wrote The Fountainhead. Her thinking progressed a long distance on the way to writing Atlas. Objectivism is not only well described in the big speech in the book, but each point in the speech is illustrated by events in the story. For assistance in understanding Atlas Shrugged, ARI's 'Atlas Project' here on YT is an excellent first step.
It would be great to have the Heritage Foundation set up a discussion between Thomas Sowell and Jordon Peterson, either on this channel or Uncommon Knowledge. Both would be great.
'I care a lot less about your feelings than I do about your pursuit of truth"...... another legend is uncovered
'Happiness is not to be achieved at the command of emotional whims. Happiness is not the satisfaction of whatever irrational wishes you might blindly attempt to indulge. Happiness is a state of non contradictory joy-a joy without penalty or guilt, a joy that does not clash with any of your values and does not work for your own destruction, not the joy of escaping from your mind, but of using your mind's fullest power, not the joy of faking reality, but of achieving values that are real, not the joy of a drunkard, but of a producer. Happiness is possible only to a rational man, the man who desires nothing but rational goals, seeks nothing but rational values and finds his joy in nothing but rational actions' - Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged, p. 1022
Jordan i just seen that Tammy is fighting an illness i just want to send my prayers to you and your family. You have really changed my life in so many ways by watching you . I know by watching your videos how much your family means to you and you always give Tammy her due for being a great partner and mother. She is definitely a toughie so she will fight this i am sure. I am not a very religious man but i am a believer and do get on my knees most nights. My thoughts are with you all.🙏
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Dr. Roberts was my high school headmaster! He was one of the best role models I could have ever had!
P and R are legends
But now he works for Zionists and sold his soul to the devil. Jordan ‘give them hell’ Peterson
Dr. R the Throatgoat
I was in a pit. No more Mr. Peterson. I have got back to soild ground. I will never forget this day. It took 3 years. I am sober . No weed. No alcohol. No nicotine. No Kratom. If you were out there and you read this please do not give up The hardest moment is bright before your brain heals. After everything leaves your system You will be tempted but remember this it will get better you will be better.
Well done. You are a scholar and a gentleman. You are more moral than most.
@@kayakMike1000I know that today is the first day I would dare to hope my father is proud .
So good to read your declaration. My son was in that dark place a few years back. As bleak as you can imagine, on meth and everything else he could lay his hands on.
Thanks to the love of a good family, Dr Peterson and a sygnificant contribution from NA he's been clean for a couple of years now.
The trauma in our hearts is still raw and there's plenty of pain to look back on but on the other side there's an example of hope, transformation and humility as my son looks to a bright future.
I expect you'll still have your dark patches. My son really didn't look like he was living again till about a year and a half of being clean.
Press on friend, it even gets better.
Verrrry interrresting topic! We might not get all the details though...nevertheless thanks for the meandery dive in group thinking.
Amen. Kratom was shutting down my kidneys. Scary for how easy it is to get.
2+ years myself. Keeps getting more awesome every day!🙏🙏
Lift weights, eat steaks, learn to negotiate, learn survival skills, read, self reflect, make babies and home school. Only way we get out of this mess, gents.
I like you
No homo.
I like it. Catholic school has been good for our children. Public schools have mostly gone to hell.
I would also add "go to church every Sunday" to your basic list. I personally am a lesser person if I don't.
All that, and I'll add "enjoy the beauty of life".
@dontvote I would put prayer as part of self reflect. I want to start going to Latin mass. No politics. The circus dancers that the church allowed to perform made me sick.
@@VeritasIncrebrescoI've been looking into the Coptic church, those dudes are hardcore
When he asked "why should we think?" I was blown away by the fact that technically, if you go to University now, you barely have to think at all. All you do is memorise the ideologies of the professors, no different than learning your times tables by rote. Why do I suddenly feel...depressed?
I feel like this experience may be more so for liberal arts rather than hard sciences. To an extent, it's hard to disagree with mathematical axioms when compared to asking for an opinion on handling a social issue.
I went for an engineering degree and how to think was taught in a way that was both creative and structured. I feel like I can take premises I disagree with and can "play" within the idea to see how I would act in them based on this way I was taught.
@@David_Drums "I feel like this experience may be more so for liberal arts rather than hard sciences."
I agree. I think the humanities is the main culprit. But, I've heard a few people touting that 2+2 = 5, so being an engineer myself, I suppose we should always stay vigilant.
Read Ayn Rand and you'll feel much better! :)
Thanks very much for your reply! I recommend The Fountainhead. @@anthonybrett
Thanks very much for your reply! I recommend The Fountainhead.@@anthonybrett
Damn, its a pity Ayn is still not with us, I would love to hear her reaction. At least I guess we get a reaction from the @aynrandinstitute soon?
HaHa. I for one would NOT want to see Ms Rand’s reaction. I was pissed myself seeing how dishonestly he represented her ideas. I can only imagine her legitimate wrath.
Watch 'Jordan Peterson’s Sophomoric Attack on Ayn Rand' from Ayn Rand Institute.
I recently graduated with my history degree, during which time I was a history tutor and ran the local chapter of Phi Alpha Theta. Dr. Roberts' story completely aligns with my own experience. Conservative voices aren't just rare in the history field, they're virtually nonexistent. I had a professor use the term "Trumpkin" completely unironically (I later withdrew from that course). I have my own theories as to why history in particular is so left leaning (not the least of which is that the academic rigor required in that field is not nearly high enough, which attracts the mentally fragile "people of colored hair"), but it was refreshing to hear from someone else in my field who understands what I went through.
My mother was a History major in the 1960's. She taught American History at the high school level before getting married and settling down.
She tells me this story inwhich a colleague of hers was introducing "modern history" into the curriculum before she left. She said all the other teachers thought that the left leaning nuts' ideas would never fly. Unsurprisingly they did.
Taking a history course in a California high school nowadays is like watching Scooby-Doo to become a federal investigator, it's complete nonsense. 😢
Sadly, true people of history, like yourself, are few and far between. Good for you for sticking to your beliefs, the facts, and your ambitions. 😊
When finishing my last degree in 2014 i was working and taking too many classes; history was one. I was still a 4.0 student but getting overwhelmed and got to the point of writing bare minimum half-researched papers for history and econ. I would have given myself bottom Ds if i was grading them yet magically i was still getting perfect scores or like 98% on those junk papers.
Then it happened. The subjects of writing a paper on dealing with posed problems from the professor on what we would do with current knowledge to address historical issues. I write a paper that had an obvious conservative approach to solving said problems. Got my first D. In discussions in the online chat students who voiced liberal solutions magically received top grades.
I’m sorry you got a degree in a subject that has no ideology but professors force ideology into it.
The past is the past. No manner of ideology or opinion can change it.
@@Leo-mr1qzhi, it’s like you and your mom are living testament to the term “libtard” becoming so accurate for the left. The level of ignorance and lack of their ability to learn, let alone learn from history is almost a direct reflection of their scholastic changes.
I hope you can keep telling people in real about what you said here. Hopefully it will ring clear to at least one person.
I still took a gander at the book regarding the White Lion Slave Ship that landed before the Pilgrims arrived to the western continent Americas.
I kinda thought... it was uh interesting read?
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@@friedmac7146 You may want to go back further, to 1527, and Álvar Núñez Cabeza de Vaca
I really dont get how someone can claim to have read Atlas Shrugged multiple times and not only not pronounce "Ayn" correctly, but utterly miss the repeat denunciations of hedonism and calls for an integrated life.
In fact, utterly missing the life of productive effort as the highest ideal. Her character's only desire and enjoy "hedonism" after they earned the right to it.
For them the joy of producing something, for its own sake and the glory of accomplishment, comes before everything else.
Peace, my friend. I agree with you that Rand's ethical positions were mis-characterized here quite a bit, but I've seen this happen so often that I've developed a certain amount of patience for people who do it. I suspect it is probably in part due to Rand's own very polemical style, and I'm not criticizing, just describing, btw. Given that the concept of individualism Jordan himself prefers is so close to Rand's, I find it even harder to be too angry with him. Merely a bit miffed. Don't let it get to you too much, just lay out your own case clearly and politely and give other people the chance to change their minds. Best wishes!
You should really interview an objectivist Dr Peterson, that would be a very good conversation. Since in my view you're misinterpreting some aspects of objectivism.
Indeed! I nominate this comment for understatement of the year. Hedonism?!?! Really?
Misinterpreting Objectivism is often the point. If lefties do it all the time, then nothing is stopping Jordan Peterson from doing it.
Some aspects of Objectivism!??? Those guys completely missed the mark. They are an embarrassment to anyone who has even rudimentary of Ayn Rand's world view and Objectivism.
Thank you, Jordan, for the incredible work you do! I also appreciate how you stand up to the government, and as a fellow Canadian, I salute you!
Dr. Peterson's misunderstanding of Ayn Rand is difficult to watch. I knew he disagreed. I supposed Rand's atheism is part of that. But his argument is so full of holes and misrepresentations as to disappoint me greatly.
Well, Peterson is a conservative and Rand certainly wasn't. Conservatives tend to resent Rand because she appears to be championing almost everything they do but rejects God as the basis for our moral imperatives. She also rejects the altruism-as-a-duty that goes along with it, so they tend to hold her at arm's length while nodding their heads at what she has to say.
@@rosselliot8971Peterson isn't a conservative, just not a radical leftist
'The name of this monstrous absurdity is Original Sin, A sin without volition is a slap at morality and an insolent contradiction in terms: that which is outside the possibility of choice is outside the province of morality. If man is evil by birth, he has no will, no power to change it; if he has no will, he can be neither good nor evil; a robot is amoral. To hold, as man's sin, a fact not open to his choice is a mockery of morality. To hold man's nature as his sin is a mockery of nature. To punish him for a crime he committed before he was born is a mockery of justice. To hold him guilty in a matter where no innocence exists is a mockery of reason. To destroy morality, nature, justice and reason by means of a single concept is a feat of evil hardly to be matched. Yet that is the root of your code' - Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
Absolutely love this conversation! As a high school student, I read Ayn Randy’s The Fountainhead- rocked my world and catapulted me into a month of listless confusion about purpose. Glad to hear all these 30 years later, to hear this cogent analysis laying rest to the questions I’ve wrestled with. Moral duty is to the community AND self is properly ordered socially and spiritually. 👏
Another fine story from Jordan Peterson love you soo much I hope to make it to another show
Great discussion. Thank you.
Ayn Rand did distinguish between self-interest and selfishness. Our understanding of this distinction was exactly what you are talking about - the individual would understand that 'not-right' behaviour now would lead to a world evolving in which they would not want to live. If you want to see what happens to a country where something other that merit determines who gets a job just take a look at South Africa with its Broad Based Black Economic Equality (BB
BEE) and how its faring after 30 years of this.
It's a terrible discussion, he completely mischaracterises Ayn Rand and objectivist ethics. She would have been vehemently apposed to BEE and the land reapprioriation going on in South Africa. The anc is foundationally a communist political party and a puppet of soviet Russia and communist China.
🇨🇦Canada 🇨🇦 loves Dr. Peterson. 💖You are a true Canadian National treasure Doc Jordan. 🙏thank you🙏
Dr. Peterson pushing forward, onward and upward. Bravo!
If I dont hate my responsibility toward my work/community, I surely can find meaning/purpose in the work/community.
I think responsibility does have connection with self growth.
The only lives that truly matter are those who respect the lives of others.
I said you win.. I meant EXACTLY. Respect (others) TY 🎉
And I want everyone to respect every person.
You know what I hate? People who believe thinking is worrying.
Or, they ask, "What are you thinking about?" You tell them what you're thinking about, and they respond with, "You worry too much. You're always worrying."
No! I'm thinking. You should try it. It keeps a person from worrying.
It is like receiving a free college education when listening to Dr. Peterson's podcasts.
Just when I though that Dr. Peterson had done what he could - I hear this conversation that I find thought provoking and so relevant. Thank you !
More likes for this Canadian Hero!!! Who knows what laws and methods the Canadian establishment will goto to silence him and everyone else.
It’s crazy hearing him say how he wanted to join the talks about Reagan and the other faculty members canceled it. It really makes you wonder how much of history is actually real or if it’s all just made up by the way only a certain few wanted it remembered
The average person thinks that people in the 1800s bathed once every three months
I just finished the Exodus series the other day and I'm shocked there were left leaning people there, not just because I didn't expect any to show up but because I couldn't tell who was left or right. I understand better now why the bible is so reviled be extremists in either direction, it can genuinely unite people on principles.
Everything in moderation is a strong and great principle to follow.
Dr. Roberts ideas and what he supports is fantastic!
Love Peterson, but his characterization of rand is wildly off.
0:10 Comment no. 2 requesting Dr. Peterson interviews Tomas Sowell before he leaves us
Thank yoiu very much! Great episode!
Ayn Rand a legend, Peterson, your light weight compared to her...Who is John Galt? ❤❤❤
@AFringedGentian Haha I wish.
I always look forward to seeing what Jordan Peterson is wearing. He always looks so good.
As a critical thinker, a Ayn Rand fan, and a devout follower of Mr Peterson. I was quite impressed with the explanation given to Ayn Rands writing . I have found after reading Atlas Shrugged 7 or 8 times that people think they were hedonists etc. Ayn Rand was IMHO simply saying do what you do to the best of your ability, stand on your own feet, and make your life and life's work the focal point of all you have in you and fight those who would destroy businesses, or want to tell you how much the poor , sick , lame, and lazy need you to give it away for their benefits. The point is that I work for my own benefit, I earn ever dollar made, and I can do with it as l please. My business is no one else business and because I created it it's my intellectual property as well as real property. The other message she expounded was that a person must think for themselves and not be a sheep.
Maybe my description is over simple , however I never found the need to pick apart her or any authors work. And try to analyze the characters or their actions into some theory that fits around today's ideology's. The liberal left especially like to nitpick and see monsters everywhere from everything. The constant State of Fear they spew is what sheeple ( people) who can't think for themselves eat like manna from heaven.
To bring the change this country, and those others with a free market society, we, as critical thinking individuals must rid our governments of those who seek it's destruction any way we have to. By force if need be. Our founding fathers are spinning in their graces watching the destruction and misinterpreted of the truth . Prayers for your wife and family Mr. Peterson. I have enjoyed your work it's a wonderful and intelligent expanding experience Everytime.
What a joyous conversation. This guest is like a ray of sunshine.
always amazing dr. Jordan Peterson as always im fully supportive of all of your content you are a great human being and you have helped me a lot in many fields, thanks !
I love seeing good people speak about the weighty matters in our nation and society. Bless both these men. What a great conversation. I love good people.
The fundamental issue with leaving the university for think tanks is that the next generation of degreed people who will take on positions of power and authority are still at the universities. Maybe think tanks ought to build themselves out as the new generation of universities.
What you get when think tanks? A bunch more lobbyists advocating for what I don't want against my desires.
@@flashwashington2735 Life and Death ist Not Always about ur desires
@@HelgeJacob What is life or death? Did your think tank, too?
@@flashwashington2735Life IS to be, Death ist Not.
@@HelgeJacob If life is binary, ( Off or on like a switch, no in between.) then laws and universities matter not. Learn to think then write. Your Think is definitely tanked!
'Do you ask what moral obligation I owe to my fellow men?
None-except the obligation I owe to myself, to material objects and to all of existence: rationality. I deal with men as my nature and theirs demands: by means of reason. I seek or desire nothing from them except such relations as they care to enter of their own voluntary choice.' - Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
Until your fellow man has to go shopping…
I don't always agree, but I love the thoughts you spark.
I love thinking, I find it stimulating
Excellent, thank you both for this significant interview.
Happiness is when Jesus comes to you personally and ransoms you. The love you share is unimaginable and unbreakable. All human thought is worthless in comparison. He weighs your love. Your love is valuable.
Keep 'em coming! ;)
Excellent.
I love hearing challenging questions and deep thinking about these issues. And a thoughtful discussion about certain stories versus literature.
We need more of this!
Unfortunately, there are fewer and fewer persons able or interested to partake in discussion. Hence, the increase in violent screaming, physical mayhem, dissolution of the rule of law and the huge impact of the Constitution.
Great interview. Full with information to grow and challenge oneself.
What a stark warning that it is so rare that two intelligent people can have a courteous conversation on important topics where all can see these days. Thank you.
Jordan, not Howard Roark (from The Fountainhead) but Hank Reardon, the steel manufacturer of Atlas Shrugged was Dagny's lover.
Haven't listened to this podcast, but boy, you, Dr. Peterson know how to frame the ROOT CAUSES of our societal discontent in a title! Nietzscheian if you ask me!
I will will be placing a good bottle of Chardonnay into the fridge so that it will be nice a chilled so that I can savor both the wine and your podcast simultaneously this coming weekend!
PS You Sir are nothing short than the Tolstoy and Solzhenitsyn rolled up into one, of our time!
I really really like Dr. Kevin Roberts.
I really really like Heritage foundation too.
Here after his davos/wef speech. Incredible person. Thank you for this conversation.
I have an entirely new understanding of the Heritage Foundation now.
Looking into becoming a member of it now. They seem to be less neocon than before.
Jordan... we think to GROW. There is no pursuit of TRUTH without thought; there is no growth without pursuit of truth; there is no HAPPINESS without growth.
It was refreshing to hear you refer to the cherubim as "they," where so many speak either of "an angel" or, worse, "a cherubim" (the Hebrew -im is plural). So you got that part right, but you did not quite score a touchdown. You still assumed that the sword was being held (by whom--one of the cherubim, and which one?), when the text never says anything of the sort. In fact the image the text presents excludes the notion that any embodied creature, cherub or otherwise, was holding the sword. The text says that God placed cherubim there (how many the text doesn't say but other biblical references to such creatures allows one to envision four) AND a flaming sword spinning in every direction all at once. The image "by definition" doesn't allow for hands, human or otherwise, to be physically holding on to such a "sword" (metaphor?), anymore than you could contain an exploding firework in your hand, or for that matter even a dozen frisky kittens. The image is, rather, this ineffable, violently rotating (think perhaps of electons spinning around an atom's nucleus) "sword" and it's just...THERE, not specified as in anyone's, or anything's hands. It is not insignificant that cherubim, or creatures that may be taken as cherubim, can be traced through the biblical texts as accompanying theophanies, the manifestations of God. Which leads to the notion that this "spinning, flaming sword," apparently just hanging there in the air with no visible support, is a theophany, a manifestation of divine presence, forbidding return to the Garden. The point is not that Mankind cannot sneak back in by somehow slipping by an intimidating angel holding a sword, but that the very being of God ("being" in so many connotations--will, nature, presence) cannot and will not ever allow return there by any human contrivance or finagling. If there is ever to be a return it will be only by what you might call divine "contrivance," divine resolution of the apparentrly intractable dilemma. The Christian of course understands the divine remedy and way of return (significantly the Hebrew word for "repent" is acutally "return") to be the Person of Jesus Christ. If the only way back into the Garden was, impossibly, to break through the terrible, destroying theophanic "sword," then in Christ God Himself ("I am the Door") allowed the barrier to be breached, the veil to be torn, to Way of Return to be forged in Christ's own return to the Father, blazing the trail for all who will come in.
Thank you Dr Peterson & guest
Great conversation and with someone worthy of Jordan
I can listen to Mr.Peterson everyday for his knowlegde and his faith in Christ and his wisdom and and and and...
"Mature moral duty". Three words that form our prosperous future when we engage honestly.
Such a great video thanks Dr Peterson much Respect From Anaheim
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This has been an excellent conversation, and it was very enlightening.
Wonderful news about the heritage project 👍👏🙏
So much depth here. What class acts
Great interview.. you definitely can get more answers from Dr Jan Halper-Hayes
Don’t have any letters after my name… but question for Dr Peterson? Are you involved or participating in any think tank in Canada? If so which one. In business, the one I’m involved in debate and we question everything!! Prepare for the worst and hope for the best..It’s not always about being intellectually right. It’s about being as right as possible for everyone. Many ideas can look,sound politically right. But are totally unproductive and end up causing more pain than gain for the majority…keep it up guys ! Your work, interviews are very generous and appreciated! Thank you! I can say from my experience the truth works! In my work politics,beliefs,acceptance,ideas,other things and votes are irrelevant…. $$$$ are the measure that something or idea works. And the government love to collect taxes … accountability respect of laws and rules are good guidelines until new better ones are debated and created …wow scary future ahead if idiocracy (like funny movie by same name) continues to prevail…hope you guys are well paid! I’m patient but wow …
*_Atlas Shrugged_* isn't literature... it's a moral allegory!? Such was Nathaniel Branden's opinion, and I agree with him.
Go KEVIN! 🇺🇸 🌎
I have been around the libertarian space for 30 years and with the exception of some teenagers that just discovered economics, I have never come across this caricature of advocating the free market for its own sake. Free markets are simply an essential outcome of adhering to moral principles, so tightly linked that advocating for one is easilly confused with advocating for the other.
Regulatory capture is a universal problem, like murder or theft, it is wholly independent of freemarkets. The bullwark against it in any society is the education and moral foundations of the general populace. If you manage to rid a society of regulatory capture the end result will be minimal government and free markets in an almost tautological sense because most of the purpose of government is regulatory capture.
“She (Rand) seems to attribute to them (her heroic characters) a ‘vague nobility of character’…”. How about grounding themselves on their own values based on rational (meaning here based on reason, I.e. objective) ethics? How is it possible after reading one of her books multiple times not to at least observe the nature of these characters, even if you disagree with the validity of this characterization?
Hi, Mr Jordan Peterson.
I've been loving your content for many years and it help me grow as an individual!
Will you come to France some day to give a talk?
We're hoping to have this opportunity one day!
Sincerely,
Excellent conversation
I've developed a hypothesis about what the true difference between left and right is. Left hold Love over Truth and the Right holds Truth over love, the true Christian place on the spectrum is the center, because truth and love are coequal in the faith.
For anyone who may disagree I mean Christians by practice of principles and not necessarily Christians by name or association, it's irrefutable that Christians by name have fallen short of the ideal to both the left and right of center some far worse than others.
@@konberner170 it's love without truth, it's a form of love that is misplaced because it isn't guided by truth which is doomed to failure and sacrifices the future of the person to their present happiness.
@@konberner170 yeah, love without truth becomes many different negative consequences but they are all fueled by love, and vise versa there are many negative forms truth without love takes where truth is the fuel for the action as well. Without both you can't have either and other negative forces fill the void
@@konberner170 sorry for not being clear but this is what I was going for, better analogy than mine but we agree you can't have one without the other. The fuel thing was a bit odd so my bad on that
The most compelling to think in my opinion is to prevent yourself from continuing to live and act in error.
Enjoyed this conversation, despite Jordan's wrong take of Ayn Rand's rational self-interest.
The East and the West distinction in education Dr.Peterson asked is answered this way too: Chinese tradition of distinct words are many times very much distinctive when ontologically speaking, for example, when someone says "making connections" the "connection" is sometimes ability to relate one thing to another, but ultimate final approach, it turns out easily "evil background to certain actions, thoughts and practice" so when someone didn't intend this, it is advanced scandal more easily.
People who have educated in the East and went to the West university very often do well even in humanity areas is that this distinctive system is put to English language it looks very refreshing and new foundation feeling, so if verve is not unique, they become pioneer too.
I think Dr.Peterson is educator and he has given me to be explaining by some series of rescue purpose interview video for people, so I think he is good educator as I see it same to Dr.Pinker. This is otherwise advancing is that is not me, but certain other conditions, similarly mind people but not professor-oriented conditions.
I want to thank Peterson for giving me interesting food for thought when he does this. It's nice to listen to someone who's a levheaded philosopher. And learning as i go. I doubt hel see this but i feel it important to myself to speak it out loud.
Thank you and Greetings 👋
Preach Jordan preach, you are my prophet...
TLDR People are sharing personal stories of overcoming adversity, expressing admiration for Dr. Roberts, and discussing the challenges of conservative voices in academia.
Hey Jordan, you have made the statement a few times that "liberals are creative", alluding to their high openness. However, in my experience, I have found the opposite to be true. It seems to me, perhaps as part of this openness, liberals in general are much more willing to accept simple-minded and broad reaching ideologies that give too simple an explanation for almost every problem. In many cases, these ideologies seem to dismantle any healthy skepticism they otherwise might have had and gives them a moral surety that manifests itself as over-confidence, arrogance, and condescension. In order to be creative, one must be the opposite of this. One must be curious, humble, and willing to accept the extent of their own ignorance. Without any skepticism, there is no room for creativity as the answers all have solutions already. I am curious to hear your thoughts on this.
Cheers,
Jason Bell.
To say that you can't be creative and arrogant is very funny
Good point, although I do think arrogance works against creativity.@@hypno5690
Excellent discussion, I was very impressed with Dr Roberts, and his Heritage Foundation sounds like a more established cousin of the recently formed ARC. I'm a university drop-out of Dr Peterson's age group but what I have noticed in life is how the left-leaning types always have to have the last word, and always think they have the moral high ground. They see themselves as champions of the poor and marginalised, when in fact they actually feel contempt for such people if the latter groups dare to think for themselves, show a bit of common sense and perhaps lean to the right politically. In a pub in October middle class left-leaning woman was visibly shocked to hear that I aligned with Israel in terms of that nation's right to defend itself and respond to the Hamas attacks, as well as looking physically disgusted when I told her that I had voted to leave the EU in 2016 and my reasons for doing so. Over a month later I have learned that this same woman had sent a text message to the barwoman on duty that night, a lady who only does the odd shift at the pub in question. In the message, she was telling the barwoman to pass on to me that the Israelis were the villains, and so on, in other words wanting to have the last word. It is rather sinister in fact, and this woman could be a deep state operative of some kind who is trying to identify people who are perceived as right wing. However, other conversations in the local pubs have brought me into contact with intelligent, highly skilled working class men who think for themselves and are fed up with the neo-Marxist ideologies which are sweeping through the western societies like wildfire. Men like this have common sense and life experience in spades and give me hope for the future because they appear to have the force of character to have a positive influence on their own children and grandchildren.
Should've taken notes on this 1!
I would love to sit down and chat with you Dr. Peterson. Just think about it.
Great, interesting, free speech discussion on free speech.
Cowboys are heros
You can trust them to go out to take care of a calf at night in the snow. Take the cows to grass and water when it is about 100 in Central Texas in the summer. Stay up at night to help a birth. Trust and responsibility are Central
Very nice intro piece.
Really intuitive and another great touch on the responsibility thesis as well. Good job Peterson once more and thank you dr Kevin and I wish you all the very best.❤❤
Very good discussion!
This criticism could apply to anything. Every philosophy. even every idea, can be taken either in moderation or in an extreme form. It is ultimately always up to the individual to decide what constitutes proper adherence to the ideology he has adopted.
I hear Roark and I know he means to say Rearden, but where the hell did he get Roark?
Howard Roark was a protagonist in The Fountainhead.
Hank Rearden/Howard Roark, H.R. He's not the first, nor the last to confuse these characters but yeah, if you've supposedly read the book at least twice, you should be able to get the name right.
I've never read any Rand, but this conversation gives me the impression that Rand wants her protagonists to be Nietzschean "Supermen."
As huge fan of Goodkind's Sword of Truth series which was heavily influenced by Rand's philosophy, i clicked this very quickly lol
I'd really recommend reading her books especially the virtue of selfishness which lays out what self interest actually constitutes. You can find it on TH-cam as an audiobook. Objectivism is nothing like how Peterson characterizes it.
Seconded. Read some of her essays and ignore these strawmanning clowns.
I have "return of the primitive: the anti industrial revolution"
And I keep starting and stopping it, usually out of what I'm ashamed to admit is a sort of low level anxiety as I realize the stuff she was writing about decades ago on "the new left" and the predictions she made that made her sound insane... are coming eerily true now.
@@alexanderrahl7034 OMG. YES!! I am listening to it now, actually. I just finished the first essay on the FSM at Berkeley in the 1960s and EVERYTHING applies to what we are seeing now, it blew my mind actually.
@gaozhi2007 blew my mind too.
Then it blew it some more, and I started getting quite worried lol
As someone that majored in studio art at a liberal arts college, I often felt alone in my convictions within the art department. I remember getting into an argument with a classmate promoting Communism as the way we should all live, however the other students were quick to shut it down. It was weird to me, because our professors put such a stress on, “finding one’s voice” but after 2016 it became apparent to me that there was only one voice that would be appreciate and promoted within the department and liked by the students.I say all that as someone that is politically unaffiliated. Honestly it seemed like suddenly a great chasm had opened up and set me apart from my colleagues. I haven’t talked to any of them since graduating in 2018. Going to California in 2019, I noticed it even more so. It does make it difficult to be an artist. The so-called Leftists dislike you and the people on the so-called Right seem to despise the arts as an inherently frivolous endeavor. I don’t know where I fit in.
@@AFringedGentian hello, thanks for replying. I hope you’re doing well today.
Do you also think that so-called conservatives just don’t care about the arts? I’m not well read, and the only self ascribed Conservatives I’ve ever seen champion the arts were Roger Scruton, Andrew Klavan, and Michael Knowles. I’m not sure why that is exactly. I’ve worked as a janitor in a Midwestern factory since March of 2019, and at least in the Midwest it’s seems most people within the factory are apolitical and apathetic to any cause. It’s one of the reasons I don’t call myself a conservative personally. The majority of “conservatives” I’ve personally met in my state weren’t educated, had no idea of history or culture, and had some kinda out-there conspiracy theories. Although I’ve met many self-ascribed liberals in college and in my family that share a similar disposition and lack of education, and which also say some stuff I consider to be pretty wild. I don’t think that so-called liberals should be the only ones that seem to care. The people I’ve met, the ones that call themselves conservative or libertarian, honestly kinda come off as callous and detached from their fellow man. You can’t conserve things if you don’t see value in them, right?
The tree of liberty needs refreshment from time to time!
Mr Peterson, I just want to say thank you & that I think you're a legend & that I have a huge amount of respect for you.
If you in the audience like Dr. Roberts, and you haven't already listed to or read Victor Davis Hanson's work, you should.
This conversation is refreshing especially the comment reference to the 20 thousand conservatives taking replacement seats in government. I advocate 100k conservative replacements not only in government but in colleges, courts, and local governments.😊 Put another string on your guitar "Small Town."
@1:27:47 Exactly. You're an individual, but you're still part of a society. Something that was known to the ancients, but is still true today. The trick is figuring out where the boundary lies.