Get 20% off DeleteMe US consumer plans when you go to JoinDeleteMe.com/Dates and use promo code DATES at checkout. DeleteMe International Plans: international.joindeleteme.com/
@@datesanddeadguys It is not just stories, you do such an awesome job of telling them. Thank you for your hard work to give us these incredible tales. Semper Fi
Thanks again for all your Dates and Dead Guys video's of the work you put into the stories. You're the best on TH-cam for Native American stories. Great work and stay safe.
Some idiot in the comment section says this guys presentation is biased. I have a few degrees in history done a lot of study in historiography. This guy in one of the most honest and unbiased presenters you are going to find. Plus his narration is really on point . Dude has a huge following but it should be bigger
@@anotheryoutubechannel4809 But how do you know that he is stating facts? Did you dig into the deep history documents, yourself? I'm not saying he's wrong. What I am saying is that unless you know the history yourself, I mean the documented history, you can't know if he is stating facts or just his interpretation.
Another excellent vid. Well researched, careful separation of fact from assumption, and a storyline that links everything. A bloody and brutal storyline; uncomfortable to hear yet much more truthful than the usual pablum sold as "the history" of that region in that era.
@@Battery33 I guess only the Natives had the right to murder, rape and massacre in order to conquer the lands they desired. When they got beaten at their own game, it was historical injustice?
I don't know if anything has been done on Miss Ann Whitney, frontier schoolteacher who gave her life for her students in Hamilton county TX.. but speaking of frontiers and folks attacked,died and survived those Indian attacks,the students that day were very scared but brave I would say.. thank u for another awesome video..
I've said it once before and I’ll say it again D&DG’s is such a good channel that I’ve been loving history as of late. From Homohabules, Pirates, to Cowboys and Indians. The latter so recent you can almost feel it. Presented easily like a Sade song. Thanks for getting me into history. Is it bad of me to say,,, “I wish there were more Dates and More Dead Guys?”
@@Ese361 no they didn't. Shoshone remained in present day Wyoming, Idaho, and Utah whole the new Shoshone, a.k.a. Comanche had their hands full on the Southern Plains with all the other tribes they were displacing.
I recently listened to a lecture by Professor Sugrue and the topic of genocide came up. Evidently the largest native genocide to occur in North America was in the 1300’s. Native on Native, stone tool on stone tool.
The genocide from Europeans was worse they literally annihilated two continents. Yes we All know natives fought each other but that does justify what was done to them. Examples the Inca empire.
If you want to talk genocide, I dont think anything can compare to what the Aztecs did for 100 years all before the Spaniards showed up about 1520ish and stopped them. The Aztecs wiped out many smaller tribes , there are estimates they sacrificed as many as 🕛 per year. That's not counting what they killed in battle, and took as slaves , although most of the slaves eventually got sacrificed too so the numbers are hazy , but it was a massive amount. And , of course, all this native on native predation was found to have been caused by global warming , then climate change, then finally Donald Trump.
Dude I've been watching and subbed to your channel for a while now, and your videos are awesome! It looks like you are finally getting more views, and it's only a matter of time before you blow up and hit millions. Keep it up! Your content is a huge hit to us American history buffs!
Awesome story yet again, bud. Also another perfectly worded ending. Iill say it again...Youve got a real talent for finding the most poignant way to end a video. Keep going, sir. I'm here for it
Today most of us see the native Americans as victims, and though they really were it addresses the situation too superficially. Early on, before fort laramie, before general sherman, who do you actually blaming? The texans who defend themselves from clearly a terrible enemy? Or do you blame The comanche and other tribes who were intimidated and pushed by white men and did not grow on the concept of human rights? Political-moral judgment of history is understandable but also way more grey than we usually think
"blame" is a term used by children.. I doubt anyone living in this time had even heard of "human rights." This was a time of "might makes right" Poor people moving into an area where if they could hold on to a piece of land, it was theirs to be had. The main thing to "blame" is ignorance of cultures by all involved. We should be observers of the past which happened through no ones particular fault of any involved. ... In places where land was to be had through might, things we consider bad "happened" through no fault of those involved. Its quite Darwinesue in reality,,,, survival of the fittest...It still happens today,, its just hidden from view..
Great videos, friend. I am a Nigerian and i am really fascinated with this chapter in North American history mainly cause of ny love of learning and also the similarities it has to my own country's situation with nomadic tribes called Fulani. Here, many of them are nonadic cattle herders who frequently clash with other tribes who are mainly settled agricultural societies and this has been an ongoing issue for decades now with clashes on all sides and even islanic terrorism and banditry being involved (most Fulani are Muslim). The government has tried to mandate ranching for them but many Fulani refuse due to their culture and tensions still exist with raids, attacks on villagers and towns and mutilations and reprisals from villagers against them. I guess in most himan societies, nonadic cultures ALWAYS clash with settled cultures but it looks like settled cultures also win in the end.
As a California Sierra Miwuk, I am recommending you to check out Gary Noys, “Natures Mountain Mansion: Wonder, Wrangles, Bloodshed, and Bellyaching from Nineteenth-Century Yosemite”. I love your story telling and I would like to share a piece of my history.
The claim that 80 comanches were killed at the battle of Plum Creek is a ridiculous exagerration by the Texans. Especially since the battle became a route and only 20 bodies were found, which is an even higher kill estimate for the comanches then i've previously heard, some sources say only 12 bodies were found, theres no way the Comanches would have had time to pick up and carry away 60 bodies from the field while they were fleeing for their lives. Of course it's possible that some Comanches were wounded and fled and later died of their wounds but there's no way it was that many. Also too the Comanches when later asked about the battle disputed the claim that only one texan was killed and claimed to have killed at least eleven. The problem is in most accounts of these battles your only hearing one side of the story as the whites were the only ones to put things down in writing and they tended to exagerate the number of Natives they killed while also underestimating the number of casualties they took in some cases. An example is the battle of Beecher Island against the Cheyyenes. After the battle some of the white participants claimed to have killed hundreds of Indians while it seems that in reality there were around 30 Natives killed at most. The Texans definitely did win this battle not disputing that but just making the point it's important to be skeptical of accounts when only one side is recording the events in the historical record.
Excellent video. As a history buff , I've read about and heard this story several times , both as individual battles, and the collective campaign of that 2 year or so period. This is probably the best telling of this period I've heard. And to the bleeding heart whining about the perspective, we , the European Whites , lived it , fought it, and won it , so we tell it from the Victor's perspective. There are remnants of many tribes around that can comfort your hurt feels with their perspective if you like. Tell them to post it up.
knowing about these facts you have to tip your hat to the spaniards! How incredibly smart they must have been to keep a balance of peace and violence for hundreds of years in these lands.... when they left hell was unleashed!!!
It would be fun if you did a video on the Ute indians. I've read a little about them and I think they're undervalued by Hollywood and Native Amerindian channels.
@@datesanddeadguys I don't have anything in particular, but I think Chief Ouray is an interesting figure and I think Utes relations with their neighbors is also interesting particularly the time when the Spaniards had an alliance with them.
I'm curious about what background you come from, academic or otherwise. You really do a great job, well researched content, and your storytelling type of presentation is wonderful.
Im laughing at the claim that it wasn't a "Fair Fight" when the Comanches did not have their horses at the Counsel House fight... But when the Settlers were being ambushed and Massacred by Comanches On Hourseback...it was a fair fight ?????! Lol! Nonbyest ...Not, but a trend to be expected these days...
I very much agree with kimcoggin4334 and NitroBoarder17. You are without a doubt one of the best history buffs I have ever seen and greatest researchers I have ever come across. Thanks for the history lesson and please keep them coming.
Who’s land? The heathen Comanche had wiped out the original inhabitants of their newly acquired Comancheria. The had no rights to Texas under your way of thinking. They were the interlopers and colonizers!
Very ridiculous view of this, considering that the land in question didn’t belong to those people either, it belonged to the tribe who they took it off and to the tribe who those before them took it off. So you can’t really use this as a response.
This should have been what 1883 was about, but Taylor Sheridan is not the man for a story like this. There is too much Presentism in him to tell this story.
@@widowrumstrypze9705 I believe in his talent and would watch 1883 over and over again till the day I die, but his interest in that history turns out to be very narrow, and it was a surprise, seeing he wrote The Yellowstone, and almost every character in that show was striving to return to that forgotten time. Go watch his interview with Joe Rogan and you will know I am right.
There's a great book, Comanche Empire, by a Norwegian, all about their Great Plains empire from 1700 to 1850, more or less. The conflict arose from their culture, where hoarding a buffalo or deer kill was not just selfish, but stupid, because they had no way of preserving the excess meat; it rotted if not shared. Thus stealing from hoarders was the correct thing to do. Then they ran into the Spanish, where factories, mines, and other cooperative ventures required hoarding in some fashion, along with wage workers (mines, factories, farms, ranches), and as far as the Comanche were concerned, a store with textiles, clothers, shovels, knives, firearms, and other equipment was just a bunch of selfish hoarding, and stealing it was the correct thing to do. Naturally the Spanish, Mexicans, Texans, and Americans did not agree. The book is fantastic, a great discussion of the clash of two such disparate cultures.
Even the Comanche would have known that hoarding perishable goods is something completely different from hoarding non perishable ones. A blatantly ridiculous excuse to steal , in other words.
@@guntertorfs6486 I suggest you read the book before condemning a society of which you know little. In addition to perishable food, the Comanches had very few portable goods and pack animals. They were nomads, and the idea of hoarding tools was foreign to them.
@@grizwoldphantasia5005 Sure. I've literally read everything i could get my hands on about Native Americans since childhood. You're not going to gaslight me : the Comanche were a horror to everyone that crossed their paths. Especially other tribes.
@@guntertorfs6486 If you haven't read that book, then you haven't literally read everything about the Comanche. To call them a horror without understanding why is too one-sided a view to matter.
Obvious lack of leadership and battle strategy competence on the part of the Comanche to be out fought so easily. The disjointed nature of indian nations, and the loose tribal chief sub structures, meant warriors fought individually and not as a unified force with a central plan of action. The Texans were fortunate to face such a poorly armed disorganized enemy.
Using Google Earth and I believe one other source that I cannot recall at the moment, I have attempted to locate the site of the Plum Creek fight. All I good find was 'maybe' a marker within the middle of Lockhart, TX. Has anyone been able to locate the physical location of this fight along Plum Creek??
Two societies who had no conception or understanding of the other. I suppose the results were inevitable. Incidentally, I once met and spoke with a Comanche at an American Baptist Convention who was a representative from Colorado.
@datesanddeadguys I had to do some research on this for myself because I've seen so many old pictures of Aboriginals riding bareback that I just assumed they never adopted saddles, and of course I was wrong. Yes, they started out that way when first introduced to horses, but they eventually adopted saddles, and certainly, by the time of this incident, they would have been using saddles almost exclusively. So, I stand corrected, and there goes another Hollywood myth dispelled by the facts, so thank you for pointing out the error of my ways, I truly appreciate that.
i hate how hollywood always leaves out the part about how brutal and cruel these savages were ... this story would make a good movie with the cast from tombstone ...
@@ibestrokin I will agree with the disease but have no doubts these 'savages ' we very schooled in the art of war and that experience came from make war against other Tribes Mexican Spanish and then the Texans. Make no mistake these were very much Warrior Societies.
@@ibestrokin some wampum? I kid sory. I put up insightful comments and ut erases them. I say overt racist crap and they float my comment to the top. Just being rebellious ig. On a side note i am aware that every white the Comanche kidnapped then adopted into into the clan, strongly refused to go back to western society. Ut will erase this too 😑
@@ibestrokin well… not exactly lol as a person who’s half native and 25% of that’s Comanche I can admit they lost and now follow the rules of their conquerors, if we or they didn’t we’d all be fully extinct or in todays age we’d be enslaved in prison and broken even further. Giving up their ways of life and who they were was the only way of any surviving and the only reason any of us share ancestors today. Let’s be honest there are no people allowed here who don’t play by the rules set in place by others and at this point we’re all the same we’re American peasants ruled by the rich and our desire to be apart of something that no longer exists is partly why we don’t unite today and do better for our people.
Im not trying to take food off of yours family's table I'm just sharing for the love of the internet.if anyone was interested in the rangers vs comanche or u just like stories of the old west like before the so called gunfighter era when st louis was the frontier!there's a channel called HISTORY AT THE OK CORRAL....your welcome🎉
What i have learned re native americans and white settlers that is so relevant to today. Just as most Americans back then seems to treat most indians based on the actions of the worst of them, so to do Liberals like to do the same to our American ancestors!
Get 20% off DeleteMe US consumer plans when you go to JoinDeleteMe.com/Dates and use promo code DATES at checkout.
DeleteMe International Plans: international.joindeleteme.com/
One of the best channels i've come across in the last year, love it. Incredible stuff! I appreciate you
Thank you. I can’t tell you how much it means to me that people enjoy these stories
Only a matter of time till he blows up, huh? The quality of these videos is *INSANE!* Just the amount of research per upload is probably massive!
@@datesanddeadguys It is not just stories, you do such an awesome job of telling them. Thank you for your hard work to give us these incredible tales. Semper Fi
Hey got anything about the Yaqui Indians?
Thanks again for all your Dates and Dead Guys video's of the work you put into the stories. You're the best on TH-cam for Native American stories. Great work and stay safe.
Always a wonderful day when Dates and dead guys uploads
Thank you. I love that people keep coming back
@@datesanddeadguys Absolutely, you really are one of the very few that I actually am subscribed to and look forward to every video/upload.
116k and a sponsor. Well deserved! When I discovered your channel you had about 20k. It took less than a year, you'll be at a Million in no time.
Some idiot in the comment section says this guys presentation is biased. I have a few degrees in history done a lot of study in historiography. This guy in one of the most honest and unbiased presenters you are going to find. Plus his narration is really on point . Dude has a huge following but it should be bigger
I don't believe you. I think you're making it up.
This stan puts Ken Burns in the corner
Agree! I love that he just states facts without being biased or dramatic!
His story not history
@@anotheryoutubechannel4809 But how do you know that he is stating facts? Did you dig into the deep history documents, yourself? I'm not saying he's wrong. What I am saying is that unless you know the history yourself, I mean the documented history, you can't know if he is stating facts or just his interpretation.
Another excellent vid. Well researched, careful separation of fact from assumption, and a storyline that links everything. A bloody and brutal storyline; uncomfortable to hear yet much more truthful than the usual pablum sold as "the history" of that region in that era.
Thank you for making this None PC video.
The Natives were absolutely horrific agaibst the Settlers. The truth needs to be told
Should of settled somewhere else
Dude, it was a back-and-forth thing. Have you ever heard of the conquistadors?
@Battery33 the amount of stupid in that comment lmao
@@DarrenMoore-le6pgsane for you, what do they have to do with the Texan. Two completely different cultures
@@Battery33 I guess only the Natives had the right to murder, rape and massacre in order to conquer the lands they desired. When they got beaten at their own game, it was historical injustice?
This is by far one of the best channels on TH-cam.
One of my favorite channels. Thanks for another great historical account.
He's great for us American history buffs! Been subscribed since the early days and all his videos are awesome and full of so much history.
This is my new favorite history channel about frontier life
I don't know if anything has been done on Miss Ann Whitney, frontier schoolteacher who gave her life for her students in Hamilton county TX.. but speaking of frontiers and folks attacked,died and survived those Indian attacks,the students that day were very scared but brave I would say.. thank u for another awesome video..
I've said it once before and I’ll say it again D&DG’s is such a good channel that I’ve been loving history as of late. From Homohabules, Pirates, to Cowboys and Indians. The latter so recent you can almost feel it. Presented easily like a Sade song.
Thanks for getting me into history.
Is it bad of me to say,,,
“I wish there were more Dates and More Dead Guys?”
The Comanche and the Apache got to be my favorite Nations to research. This channel helped a lot in that.
So now you know that the "Comanche" are actually Shoshone.
@@vasil12361And? The Comanches hated the Shoshone and would constantly raid them
@@Ese361 no they didn't. Shoshone remained in present day Wyoming, Idaho, and Utah whole the new Shoshone, a.k.a. Comanche had their hands full on the Southern Plains with all the other tribes they were displacing.
@vasil12361 The Comanches raided in Wyoming not often, but they did, and they had the Shoshone on the run
@@Ese361 never happened.
I read " summer of the commanche moon" what surprised me most was the fact that even the Apache were afraid of them! Kudos to hays and McKenzie
I recently listened to a lecture by Professor Sugrue and the topic of genocide came up. Evidently the largest native genocide to occur in North America was in the 1300’s. Native on Native, stone tool on stone tool.
th-cam.com/video/hVqz3bgDWXo/w-d-xo.htmlsi=jERT1hXWrLuO_VVl
Clip here
The genocide from Europeans was worse they literally annihilated two continents. Yes we All know natives fought each other but that does justify what was done to them. Examples the Inca empire.
If you want to talk genocide, I dont think anything can compare to what the Aztecs did for 100 years all before the Spaniards showed up about 1520ish and stopped them.
The Aztecs wiped out many smaller tribes , there are estimates they sacrificed as many as 🕛 per year.
That's not counting what they killed in battle, and took as slaves , although most of the slaves eventually got sacrificed too so the numbers are hazy , but it was a massive amount.
And , of course, all this native on native predation was found to have been caused by global warming , then climate change, then finally Donald Trump.
@@adamdominguez6472 Annihilated two continents? Care to eleborate on that?
Dude I've been watching and subbed to your channel for a while now, and your videos are awesome! It looks like you are finally getting more views, and it's only a matter of time before you blow up and hit millions. Keep it up! Your content is a huge hit to us American history buffs!
Thank you for all your excellent work! Better than what they learn in school!
Dude, this channel is so damn good!
You are the best story teller on TH-cam ! Please have more videos than one per month… So addictive !
Wish I had this channel two years ago BEFORE we spent a couple months in the heart of this region. Great stuff.
Another great episode. I always enjoy your presentations.
My family helped settle Texas.
Thank you
*MEXICO*
@@gab1172 Mexico never controlled or occupied that area. They claimed what Spain had ridiculously claimed.
@@gab1172nope
Story-telling at it's best. I've always enjoyed history of the plains Indian.
I'm addicted to your channel! Incredible storytelling, informative and thrilling! You're doing it right!
Awesome story yet again, bud. Also another perfectly worded ending. Iill say it again...Youve got a real talent for finding the most poignant way to end a video. Keep going, sir. I'm here for it
Really enjoying the history and the tales 👍
Thank you. I appreciate that!
Love your vids, the art as well. Excellent work
Thank you
Your narrative style is captivating. Keep up the great work and I eagerly await new videos!
Today most of us see the native Americans as victims, and though they really were it addresses the situation too superficially.
Early on, before fort laramie, before general sherman, who do you actually blaming?
The texans who defend themselves from clearly a terrible enemy?
Or do you blame The comanche and other tribes who were intimidated and pushed by white men and did not grow on the concept of human rights?
Political-moral judgment of history is understandable but also way more grey than we usually think
The "Comanche" couldn't even get along with their own tribe, the Shoshone. That's why they left, moved south and became known as Comanche.
"blame" is a term used by children.. I doubt anyone living in this time had even heard of "human rights." This was a time of "might makes right" Poor people moving into an area where if they could hold on to a piece of land, it was theirs to be had. The main thing to "blame" is ignorance of cultures by all involved. We should be observers of the past which happened through no ones particular fault of any involved. ... In places where land was to be had through might, things we consider bad "happened" through no fault of those involved. Its quite Darwinesue in reality,,,, survival of the fittest...It still happens today,, its just hidden from view..
@@kirkethridge2500 pretty much sums it up
"The blood feud had escalated."
What a hard line.
Great videos, friend. I am a Nigerian and i am really fascinated with this chapter in North American history mainly cause of ny love of learning and also the similarities it has to my own country's situation with nomadic tribes called Fulani. Here, many of them are nonadic cattle herders who frequently clash with other tribes who are mainly settled agricultural societies and this has been an ongoing issue for decades now with clashes on all sides and even islanic terrorism and banditry being involved (most Fulani are Muslim). The government has tried to mandate ranching for them but many Fulani refuse due to their culture and tensions still exist with raids, attacks on villagers and towns and mutilations and reprisals from villagers against them. I guess in most himan societies, nonadic cultures ALWAYS clash with settled cultures but it looks like settled cultures also win in the end.
As a California Sierra Miwuk, I am recommending you to check out Gary Noys, “Natures Mountain Mansion: Wonder, Wrangles, Bloodshed, and Bellyaching from Nineteenth-Century Yosemite”. I love your story telling and I would like to share a piece of my history.
I own a cabin in Miwuk and am fascinated with the Native American history in that area. That is a beautiful place!!
The claim that 80 comanches were killed at the battle of Plum Creek is a ridiculous exagerration by the Texans. Especially since the battle became a route and only 20 bodies were found, which is an even higher kill estimate for the comanches then i've previously heard, some sources say only 12 bodies were found, theres no way the Comanches would have had time to pick up and carry away 60 bodies from the field while they were fleeing for their lives. Of course it's possible that some Comanches were wounded and fled and later died of their wounds but there's no way it was that many. Also too the Comanches when later asked about the battle disputed the claim that only one texan was killed and claimed to have killed at least eleven. The problem is in most accounts of these battles your only hearing one side of the story as the whites were the only ones to put things down in writing and they tended to exagerate the number of Natives they killed while also underestimating the number of casualties they took in some cases. An example is the battle of Beecher Island against the Cheyyenes. After the battle some of the white participants claimed to have killed hundreds of Indians while it seems that in reality there were around 30 Natives killed at most. The Texans definitely did win this battle not disputing that but just making the point it's important to be skeptical of accounts when only one side is recording the events in the historical record.
Many Massacres of Settlers go unmentioned as well, in the effort of betraying the Indians as helpless innocent victims in our History.
body counts are nearly always exxagerated by the "winning side". I guess its part of human nature?
Well Comanche practiced that very thing you’re speaking of they had some wild strength they could lean off a horse and grab the homie and throw em on.
Sounds like you were there
Your ability to tell these stories from both sides is great. I always look forward to your videos
Burnin off noses but than laughing and mockingly ignoring the dude dumb enough to wade towards them.
The Comanche were *wild* .
Once again another amazing video from a handsome man
Yeehaw from Portugal!!
HA! I'm in Portugal too! Spent a couple months in the area of this video. Wish I could have had it as a guide.
Excellent video.
As a history buff , I've read about and heard this story several times , both as individual battles, and the collective campaign of that 2 year or so period.
This is probably the best telling of this period I've heard.
And to the bleeding heart whining about the perspective, we , the European Whites , lived it , fought it, and won it , so we tell it from the Victor's perspective.
There are remnants of many tribes around that can comfort your hurt feels with their perspective if you like.
Tell them to post it up.
You’re a great storyteller
really intersting and informatve !!!
I really love your videos, please keep them coming!!
Love your content bro!
I love this channel
Another great vid
knowing about these facts you have to tip your hat to the spaniards! How incredibly smart they must have been to keep a balance of peace and violence for hundreds of years in these lands.... when they left hell was unleashed!!!
They were defeated by the Comanche and werecraided incessantly. They did not keep any balance.
Great Point!
Great… new sub
Good show
23:45 There was a Josia Wilbarger that was scapled in 1833, and died in 1845, due to the injury.
The author was his brother.
I love your videos ❤
There is no way THE Comanche could live with ANY CIVILIZATION.
💯
They did
@@nothingnothing5183 They did not.
@@Music-lx1tf So there was no other Native American tribe that lived around them?
@@nothingnothing5183 Not in peace.
It would be fun if you did a video on the Ute indians. I've read a little about them and I think they're undervalued by Hollywood and Native Amerindian channels.
What would be a story about the Ute you think people would enjoy?
@@datesanddeadguys I don't have anything in particular, but I think Chief Ouray is an interesting figure and I think Utes relations with their neighbors is also interesting particularly the time when the Spaniards had an alliance with them.
I heard a pretty interesting story about 2 Utes, unjustly accused of armed robbery and murder.
Lone Star State, baby!
Great Story Telling
Love these videos something I know nothing about here in the uk it’s unknown
Subbed!
Awesome video!
I don't know who is doing the artwork for the video but it's great.
I'm curious about what background you come from, academic or otherwise. You really do a great job, well researched content, and your storytelling type of presentation is wonderful.
Good stuff
Someone get this man on Rogan!
Dates and Dead Guys is the history teacher for people like me who are too poor for university
Im laughing at the claim that it wasn't a "Fair Fight" when the Comanches did not have their horses at the Counsel House fight... But when the Settlers were being ambushed and Massacred by Comanches On Hourseback...it was a fair fight ?????! Lol!
Nonbyest ...Not, but a trend to be expected these days...
"How do you like that answer?"
How do you like that reaction?
There is no such thing as a fair fight. You should know that.
I very much agree with kimcoggin4334 and NitroBoarder17. You are without a doubt one of the best history buffs I have ever seen and greatest researchers I have ever come across. Thanks for the history lesson and please keep them coming.
Interesting factoid: Native Americans do not suffer from male pattern baldness
The irony you invade someone’s land and your surprised when met with hostility
Who’s land? The heathen Comanche had wiped out the original inhabitants of their newly acquired Comancheria. The had no rights to Texas under your way of thinking. They were the interlopers and colonizers!
Very ridiculous view of this, considering that the land in question didn’t belong to those people either, it belonged to the tribe who they took it off and to the tribe who those before them took it off. So you can’t really use this as a response.
your great at speaking you look like a chill guy and the way you put the screenshots of epic native Americans its all great production
How do we know what torture methods the Comanche used on their prisoners as retaliation ? Are there any credible sources I can look into ?
This should have been what 1883 was about, but Taylor Sheridan is not the man for a story like this. There is too much Presentism in him to tell this story.
Make your own channel, then. WE like him!
@@widowrumstrypze9705 I believe in his talent and would watch 1883 over and over again till the day I die, but his interest in that history turns out to be very narrow, and it was a surprise, seeing he wrote The Yellowstone, and almost every character in that show was striving to return to that forgotten time.
Go watch his interview with Joe Rogan and you will know I am right.
@@widowrumstrypze9705u prolly like marvel movies too. Ur such a smart big boy aren't you 😊
1883 was a GIRL POWER joke.
@@tonystoops7802Entirely different way of banging your way across the frontier.
Blood Meridian seems the closest mainstream fiction will dare to reach towards the reality back then
I'm mad... I'm not mad... I'm mad. oh, humans. never mind. good video.
What a great video! but this guy seems like he picked Kentucky to win it all in the tourney
There's a great book, Comanche Empire, by a Norwegian, all about their Great Plains empire from 1700 to 1850, more or less. The conflict arose from their culture, where hoarding a buffalo or deer kill was not just selfish, but stupid, because they had no way of preserving the excess meat; it rotted if not shared. Thus stealing from hoarders was the correct thing to do.
Then they ran into the Spanish, where factories, mines, and other cooperative ventures required hoarding in some fashion, along with wage workers (mines, factories, farms, ranches), and as far as the Comanche were concerned, a store with textiles, clothers, shovels, knives, firearms, and other equipment was just a bunch of selfish hoarding, and stealing it was the correct thing to do.
Naturally the Spanish, Mexicans, Texans, and Americans did not agree.
The book is fantastic, a great discussion of the clash of two such disparate cultures.
Even the Comanche would have known that hoarding perishable goods is something completely different from hoarding non perishable ones. A blatantly ridiculous excuse to steal , in other words.
@@guntertorfs6486 I suggest you read the book before condemning a society of which you know little. In addition to perishable food, the Comanches had very few portable goods and pack animals. They were nomads, and the idea of hoarding tools was foreign to them.
@@grizwoldphantasia5005 Sure. I've literally read everything i could get my hands on about Native Americans since childhood. You're not going to gaslight me : the Comanche were a horror to everyone that crossed their paths. Especially other tribes.
Thanks for sharing
@@guntertorfs6486 If you haven't read that book, then you haven't literally read everything about the Comanche. To call them a horror without understanding why is too one-sided a view to matter.
Obvious lack of leadership and battle strategy competence on the part of the Comanche to be out fought so easily. The disjointed nature of indian nations, and the loose tribal chief sub structures, meant warriors fought individually and not as a unified force with a central plan of action. The Texans were fortunate to face such a poorly armed disorganized enemy.
Individual action and disunity could be a great advantage or disadvantage in battle, it all depended on the circumstances.
Can you please make more conquestadors videos
Comanches with guns. Holy shit. Nice.
Oh the PC crowd would hate this story 😂
Using Google Earth and I believe one other source that I cannot recall at the moment, I have attempted to locate the site of the Plum Creek fight. All I good find was 'maybe' a marker within the middle of Lockhart, TX. Has anyone been able to locate the physical location of this fight along Plum Creek??
President Lamar looks like Herman Gering
Two societies who had no conception or understanding of the other. I suppose the results were inevitable.
Incidentally, I once met and spoke with a Comanche at an American Baptist Convention who was a representative from Colorado.
"what they perceived to be barbarians" and their perception was correct.
Please, no more sound effects, like shotguns or camera clicks. Too distracting. LOVE your channel. Thanks for your hard work!
Love this channel, but the Commanche warrior who got too close to the Texans, fell from his saddle, really, fell from his saddle?
Yes. They didn’t ride bareback.
@datesanddeadguys I had to do some research on this for myself because I've seen so many old pictures of Aboriginals riding bareback that I just assumed they never adopted saddles, and of course I was wrong. Yes, they started out that way when first introduced to horses, but they eventually adopted saddles, and certainly, by the time of this incident, they would have been using saddles almost exclusively. So, I stand corrected, and there goes another Hollywood myth dispelled by the facts, so thank you for pointing out the error of my ways, I truly appreciate that.
Do a talk on la Matanza of Mexicans by Texas rangers early 1900s
Gram!
i hate how hollywood always leaves out the part about how brutal and cruel these savages were ... this story would make a good movie with the cast from tombstone ...
Lol I don’t know what movies you watching, but native violence isn’t left out, you just seem racist
Savages 😅
It's alluded to in The Searchers, but that movie is from an era where graphic violence and language not tolerated by the audience.
Imagine bringing war and disease to someone else's ancestral lands and calling them savages for protecting their lands.
@@ibestrokin I will agree with the disease but have no doubts these 'savages ' we very schooled in the art of war and that experience came from make war against other Tribes Mexican Spanish and then the Texans. Make no mistake these were very much Warrior Societies.
They needed to go. U hate to say it but...
Jeez...
Still here. Come get some.
@@ibestrokin some wampum? I kid sory. I put up insightful comments and ut erases them. I say overt racist crap and they float my comment to the top. Just being rebellious ig. On a side note i am aware that every white the Comanche kidnapped then adopted into into the clan, strongly refused to go back to western society. Ut will erase this too 😑
@@ibestrokingreat response.
@@ibestrokin well… not exactly lol as a person who’s half native and 25% of that’s Comanche I can admit they lost and now follow the rules of their conquerors, if we or they didn’t we’d all be fully extinct or in todays age we’d be enslaved in prison and broken even further. Giving up their ways of life and who they were was the only way of any surviving and the only reason any of us share ancestors today. Let’s be honest there are no people allowed here who don’t play by the rules set in place by others and at this point we’re all the same we’re American peasants ruled by the rich and our desire to be apart of something that no longer exists is partly why we don’t unite today and do better for our people.
What caused the commanche to become so brutal
They were bullied for generations by other tribes, until horses gave them a technological advantage over their old enemies. They used it.
i saw some white person say they found a greek artifact in that part of the country.
"Manage the problem..."
Settlers. Let someone settle in your backyard and see how diplomatic you will be. The audacity.
Ttrpg deadlands brought me here 😊
What?
@@randyneilson7465 A tabletop roleplaying game called deadlands from Pinnacle Entertainment.
I enjoyed your presentation as so much, that I subscribed.
What does it mean when you say, “stampede the horses”?
Scare them as to make them run away .
@@jeremywatson4860 thank you
Only 1 tribe left on Earth keeping our people prisoner.
Im not trying to take food off of yours family's table I'm just sharing for the love of the internet.if anyone was interested in the rangers vs comanche or u just like stories of the old west like before the so called gunfighter era when st louis was the frontier!there's a channel called HISTORY AT THE OK CORRAL....your welcome🎉
What i have learned re native americans and white settlers that is so relevant to today.
Just as most Americans back then seems to treat most indians based on the actions of the worst of them, so to do Liberals like to do the same to our American ancestors!
Was anybody at the council punished for getting those captives killed? The objective was to free them, what TF did they think would happen?