It's a breath of fresh air to have a real person with a real voice, actually narrating. All these Turkeys now who do a Y/T post, then overdub with a robot voice - I just refuse to listen to them.
This was my first time coming across your channel. I am a retired elementary social studies teacher, and I enjoyed listening to you telling this story. Knowledge is something that is taken for granted in the time we live in. Thanks again, hope you continue sharing the history of this country that many want to deny or not talk about.
In the entjrety of my education in the US I was never taught that natves were even capble of such crulty. It was always just said that settlrs were neutral at best but mostly eviI while natves were moraly superor. Many people report the same experience who were educated in our systm. Why do you think it is like that?
@@valuedCustomer2929 You're of course asking for the opinions of people who are subject matter experts on Western settlement. I'm just replying as a 73 year-old man who was educated in parochial and public schools, and in the northeast. I don't recall learning ANYTHING about this subject, although I have a vague recollection of what was meant by Manifest Destiny. Of course we all learned about the "first Thanksgiving" but know today that it was not the way it was taught. To the degree that it was ever acknowledged that there had been any kind of conflict between civilizations, we just had a vague understanding that whatever it was that happened to the Indians was inevitable. I never heard any "defense" of the natives as being noble or morally superior. They were just human beings (at best) that got in the way of the settling of the west. In fact, if the popular westerns of the time were to be believed, the Indians were ignorant and bloodthirsty and incapable of defending themselves against the superior numbers and weaponry of the western settlers and the US Army. That said, I have of course encountered people who romanticize Indian culture and maybe some of them take refuge in the idea that they were morally superior to us. That's as simplistic as believing what John Wayne and Andrew Jackson taught us. History is never that simple and the one thing we can agree on is that western settlement was sometimes a dangerous and sometimes a horrific experience, whichever side you were on. What's undeniable was that the US government devoted blood and treasure to be sure that Indian civilization was subdued - in the opinion of a regular guy with a regular education.
@@valuedCustomer2929 I bet that you were never taught that by the 15th century, the Islamic Empire had conquered 19 European countries - as well as India, and the majority of East and North Africa. Yew choob deletes stuff so I can't even talk about their thriving trade in people.
Sadly this man's take on history in no way takes into account the influx of settler's brutal expansion into native lands. There's so much history that goes untold mainly BC the invasion is told by the voice of the oppressors. The horrors on both sides of history are terrible and there's usually no good guys or bad.....just those trying to survive.
@@carolmacdonald2918 Agreed and an excellent point. I can certainly say that the silence I experienced as a student was surely deliberate and a way of avoiding the accountability we should have learned. The same sentiment exists today in the efforts to suppress other legacies of the American experiment that are uncomfortable or inconvenient.
History no matter how gruesome , is probably the most important school subject. When you analyse the subject matter ( whatever that might be ) it gives you a broader insight into human nature. It becomes a bit of a compass and if you learn from it hopefully we won’t make the same mistakes . But these days people want to either delete or alter history to suit their own narrative. Very good video 👍👍
Here's an example of an Anglo. Trying hard to keep horrific narratives about a specific group. But continue to paint themselves as the heroes and the victims😂
Please tell this to the idiot that is in charge of Florida as governor... and maybe he can tell his fellow idiot friends... Because history is repeated... and not always exactly how the original attacks happened.... People who are trying to change history or just hide it, had best beware of karma....
Liberals and their communist masters want to delete or alter history to suit their own fake history lie. Stop pretending both sides do it. It allows the communists attempting a coup to escape without consequences.
@@bestia2.063LOL. You communist rewriters of history are the ones spinning narratives...also known as lies...to paint your Marxist victim groups as the losers and then leverage them for power. Stuff it Scooter.
We won the war but there wld not hve been a war if the u.s. government had upheld the treaties made w the native americans. Our govt won the war with lies, treachery and murder. It is important to kno both the bad and the good of our history.
@@MrDannyHeim So - getting all of the history i.e. how brutal some native American tribes were AS WELL AS how whites mistreated them is a bad thing? Stop hiding from the truth. You can try to white wash or change history all you want - but the real truth still doesn't change.
For anyone interested in what happened to Cynthia Ann Parker, an amazing read is "Empire of the Summer Moon" by S. C. Gwynne. An audio version is also available. I don't want to say anything and spoil your read. I truly enjoyed the book.
Katheryn, I have just finished reading that book, and found it amazing! I thought her son that became the head of the Comanche tribes was really a heart felt unique man himself. I really loved him thru most of the book. It could get pretty gory on both sides, just have to say.
I'm 53 and this was not taught to us, at all....only stupid movies that made the Indians the "bad guy" ....the truth is messy ....murder and torture on both sides! The truth would've had our generation, "history buffs" ! Now i have a whole world of information at my fingertips,I wish I could show grandmother,my new library card...lol
@@MichelleBattersby-dw3yy I Believe that GOD ALMIGHTY is allowing that Justice be known through Truth and not the lies that have been told and passed down. Let the Truth Be Known! All Glory To GOD ALMIGHTY! Praised Be YOU KING JESUS… HALLELUJAH!
@@tmaddrummer I appreciate your faith , but we're responsible as individuals (every human)how we live and respect for all life ....organized religion didn't teach me that! (went to a Baptist Christian school and was beaten almost every day, now that's some evil shit)
Holy Cow! 55yrs old & I probably can count on my two hands the number of YT videos I've watched from beginning to end - This easily makes the top 5 !!! Great Orator!
Since I was a young child I have been fascinated by the Native American history / way of life and throughout the years bought many a book on the subject but discovering this place brings that history to life - congratulations , sir on creating this most valuable of sites .
@@FFGG22E To be honest, some Native Americans were very nobly and had good morals. Not all of them were Satanic savages. The ones who were tend to get all the publicity. And don't forget, a lot of Whites were evil and cruel, too. Gen. George Custer is a perfect example of pure evil and sadism. Plus, the men who carried out the Wounded Knee Massacre in S.D.
@@FFGG22Esome yes, others were persecuted for absolutely no reason other than the sins of the evil. History and people aren't black and white, no matter how much you try to make them
Although very tragic and horrific in parts, the productions and narration of these excellent stories are second to none. It must have taken a long time and a lot of hard work to produce, I really appreciate them. I particularly like, how you show respect and are unbiased, and sensitive, not going too deep in the gory parts. Another thing is it awakens some of our darkest fears held from childhood and watching old movies. But still, The way you describe events is so vivid and visual, I feel I'm there, and wonder what I'd be like and do in these situations. So glad I discovered you. I find it fascinating. Thank you..great job.
Back in the day people used to wonder how they would have behaved in Hitler's Germany - now I know after 2020. Human nature can be weak and terrible at the same time.
I never wanted to be an explorer. I was quite content volunteering with conservation and wildlife groups within established civilization. Some people have the skills and training to go into back country areas, but that’s not me. I’m both amazed and grateful that some people wanted to explore the early Western Hemisphere.
Of all the spoken history channels, I find your narrative style to be the easiest to listen to. The tone of voice conveys, for me, the implacability of the circumstances and helps to recreate just how incredible the fight for survival in a hostile environment truly was. It's a real reminder of the history. A sobering task to recall it for others but it carries a realism that is rare to find
I agree I love the delivery and I love the speed at which he speaks I didn't have to speed up the playback no annoying pauses. I Was riveted to the story and the music in the background was not distracting it added to the whole ambience I really appreciated this and I for one cannot wait to hear you tell the Captive story. The little bit that you told of the story was so vivid that I think that I will dream of it.
Agreed. He has combined tastefully spare music, visceral storytelling straight from the history books and a dry delivery to let the material speak for itself. After that, all the listener has to do is play the visual element in their own mind, which is what true storytelling has always allowed people to do@@christie4004
Thank you. I have followed Quanah's life for years. I wrote a term paper on the Comanches in 1980 and have read Empire of the Summer Moon and have also referenced both books by Fehrenbach and Wilbarger. The Wilbarger book first got me interested (Depredations of the Indians in Texas) back in 1976. Today in the basement of our home in the Colorado Rockies, we have a framed photograph (same as cover of Fehrenbach's book) of Quanah Parker next to our stone fireplace I have to mention that Peta Nocona, Quanah's father, was killed by Colonel Sullivan Ross for whom Sul Ross University in Alpine, Texas is named. Somehow, I can't help but side with the Comanches, and I know that isn't something many will understand. A clash of two wildly different cultures. I'll always admire Quanah Parker. You make an excellent presentation. Bravo! *The word "Comanche" comes from the Navajo meaning , "he who wants to fight me all the time".
I also feel compelled to side with them some what. They finally settled in the Texas panhandle desolute area, but the US Army still hunted them down finally attacking their camp in Palo Duro Canyon, instead of killing the Commanches they slaughtered all of their horses. After that sent to the Okla reservation. Yes they were brutal but the US Calvary did some brutal things as well. George Custer attacked Black Kettles camp in the middle of night in Oklahoma . Black Kettle was peaceful and had an agreement to be there , Custer killed many women and children killed 100 warriors. Custer, rumor has it took one of the young Indian women as his and had a child with her. Custer finally had Karma catch up with him in 1876
@@armandsmith9290 It's been my impression that Quanah finally realized that there was no future for his people if they attempted to continue in the Comanche way of life and that he "brought them in" voluntarily to the reservation in Oklahoma. on a cold winter's night. Because he was "recognized" and also because of his character and his reputation, he was never made to sign any treaties nor papers with "terms" for his people. And his ability to "adapt" eventually paid off for the Quehadis, his people. I must admit, living here in the Rocky Mountains and playing guitar gigs from Durango to Creede and points between, I meet all sorts of people. And I have met several Comanches, and have spoken with them and expressed great admiration for "the Lords of the Plains". And btw, you may already know that the practice of scalping was imported from Spanish explorers.
@@DanEvans-yb6wk That's false. There are evidence of scalping being used before the arrival of Europeans in the Americas. Look for instance for "Crow Creek mass grave" where about 500 natives massacred by other natives were buried around 1350. Many (men, women, children) had been scalped. The story about it being a custom created by Europeans is just that, a story, made up to demonize Europeans and absolve natives of anything that could appear shocking.
So very, very well done, thank you. I have just recently finished the book Empire of the Summer Moon. I wasn't certain that it would be too dry and all about the soldiers and the "horrific savages", but it turned out amazing! It mentioned Rachel Plummer a bit, but a lot more of Cynthia Ann Parker's life. And a lot more about the Comanches. They were fascinating people, very deadly, yet brilliant in they're people and horse training skills, sneak midnight attacks, leaving no trail, among other feats. I truly learned so much more about that time period in Texas and both the white and the Indian people of that time period. Thank you so much for telling both sides of the great west story.
For those wondering about Rachel's story, they took her healthy 6 week old baby and threw him on the ground to kill him. When she was able to revive him, they tied a rope to his legs and drug him through cactus until his body was torn apart. Literally pure evil.
You kept me on the edge of my seat telling this tragic story. Id love to know more about Rachael's story. In the meantime, I'm on my way to watch your other videos! Thanks!
My great and great great grandmothers survived a Palo Pinto County Comanche raid just before the onset of the civil war. Shot by arrows and left for dead, went on to have long and fruitful lives. They stayed. I don't know if I could have done that.
yea i grew up in lawton (fort Sill) Geronimo is buried nearby in the town named after him. (supposedly anyway he was obviously Apache) Quanah Parker has streets and monuments named after him still here. Its in Comanche county so obviously the Comanches are very appreciated here. Apaches also. You can still see Geronimo's jail cell, where he paced so much the floor is worn like a hole, and the bars are bent from him constantly pulling on them.
I enjoy listening the stories you're telling. There's something magical in your representation of the past. The closest I can describe it is as sitting next to a bonfire somewhere in the wilderness at night, covered with a blanket, with a good warm coffee in my hand, and listening an old friend telling his passed experience. Keep up the good work sir, and if possible release new videos more often. Would you as well consider including the gold rush stories and the impact the process has had over the natives as well as stories of yet uncovered hidden treasures ( Superstition Mountains etc. )
That’s very kind of you. It means a lot. Much time goes into these videos. I working on finding a way to get more content out. One of my hopes as the channel grows is to start working with an editor. By the end of the year I would love to be in a place where I am getting out a video every two weeks.
@@datesanddeadguysEvent if you have to sacrifice some of the visuals in favor of release videos more often, please do. I like the visuals but I ( and probably most of the audience ) enjoy much more listening the stories, being told in this magical way.
You might want to look up Herman Lehrman who was an Indian captive. You might also look up Baron John O.Meusbach head of the German settlers in Fredericksburg.He made a treaty with them which neither side broke The town of Baby head in Llano County was named because there was an Indian raid and they stole a baby .Settlers went after them, but all they found was a baby,s head Near San Antonio is Woman,s Hollering Creek.One story is a woman was washing clothes in the creek and saw native Americans approaching and shouting a warning.Now on an old Bexar County map saw it as Indian Woman Hollow Creek Wish I had bought the map years ago .
@@datesanddeadguys It's what we as humans have done since time immemorial-- listen to stories. Sometimes the visuals just get in the way and interrupt the flow. Maybe set the scene in the beginning with a visual, then just go on to tell the story. You have a very good voice and manner for this kind of thing. Thank you for what you're doing!
I was born in Gallup New Mexico. It's on Rt66. It's between Albuquerque and Flagstaff, Az. Our town was surrounded by the Red Rocks. I used to have nightmares about Comanche Warriors coming down out of the Red Rocks! It horrified me as a child till I found out that all happened "a long time ago"! Gallup is up by the panhandle of Texas so we were between the Navajo and Comanche reservations.
@@perryrush6563 100 miles past Albuquerque going west, is Gallup. Then 100more miles is Flagstaff Az. Gallup is where they have the Largest Pow-wow and rodeo in the world. Every. Indian tribe in Canada, United States and Mexico all converge once a year in Gallup. Fort Windgate, Kit Carson's cave are just before you get to the town. If you Don't get there the second week of September, if you blink you'll miss it!
Way back in my family tree, I am a descendant of the Texas Parkers. I can recall as a youngster at holidays and family gatherings how my cousin and I would be playing in the living room while the adults sat around the table and talked about the Parker family, mostly Cynthia Ann and Quanah. Now, as an adult, I wish I could have heard more of those conversations and learned that family history in detail. Empire of the Summer Moon was a great read, and I plan to get the others you mentioned.
Cynthia Parker’s story was heartbreaking! She loved her native husband and kids. A woman in the town wrote that Cynthia would often be seen walking to the very edge of town staring out across the vast landscape in the direction of her native village. Can’t imagine the torment that poor woman felt! 💔
When I was barely 10 or 11 years old my brothers and sisters and I would gather around my great-grandmother's knees on the floor at her house and listen while she told us stories of "life on the prairie" . She had traveled from Europe, Norway, specifically, and crossed the Eastern United States and into the harsh Northern U.S.A., settling in Minnesota. I recall one story (after which I believe I was shocked into deafness), whereby she told a story of women who were captured by Indians and hung by their mammary glands and further tortured and mutilated, killed. As I said, I didn't hear any more after that. But I loved my great-grandmother, she was a very tough character and I respected her greatly. I was a very sheltered young girl and on some level I believe I needed a shocking revelation of the truth of life in our world, on our planet. I think it helped me not to take my life for granted, although my upbringing was hard, I never complained.
I am also from Northern Minnesota and I’m Norwegian. Up here in Lake of the Woods there’s an island called “massacre island”. French Voyageurs were the first settlers of the area they were traveling across Lake of the Woods via canoe…they were met by a Sioux war tribe, who came to attack the Ojibwe..instead the Sioux ran into 21 Frenchman. All the Frenchmen perished
BTW Rachel died in 1839 not 1939. She died like a week before her 20th birthday. I believe if I got the dates right. For only having lived 19 years, what a life she had, and the fact that her writing and her life story still live on in peoples memory still is amazing to me. Another fascinating thing I learned, was that the Comanche had such low birth rates that they kept captives, and raised them to be members of the tribe when they were child bearing age. I never knew that they had such low birth rates pretty amazing stuff. Thanks again.
I grew up in San Antonio and always heard the term “Comanche Moon” only to learn later in life that it meant on a full moon Comanches would attack and or steal all the horses thereby stranding the soldiers or settlers.
I grew up being told of my ancestors that were victims of an Indian raid in central Texas. Several family members died at their hands, but 2 children survived. Their mother hid them in a flour barrel when she saw Indians approaching. The story says the children spent the night with the bodies of their slaughtered family still lying outside their home. They were rescued by neighbors the next morning. The older child, a girl of about 10 years, was my direct ancestor, several generations back.
For a moment I thought you were describing what the Native people of this country had gone through for so so many years. Then they got tired of being treated that way and gave the Europeans a taste of their own medicine. Or maybe the Comanche were retaliating for the 100,000 people who were removed from their land forced to move westward. So many possibilities.
@@johnmcbride1749west bank is not theft. It was won from Jordan by Israel in a war of self defense for its existence, and it has always had communities of Jews living there, this is also known as Judea and Samaria. Half a dozen Muslim nations called to throw the Jews into the sea and lost. Then they got to set the terms of the deal, since when do losers of a war dictate the terms? And Gaza and Sinai from Egypt, Sinai it returned in exchange for peace and Egypt refused to take back Gaza, not wanted to the population living there. Theft is what Arab nations did to 850,000 (far more than Palestinians according to the UN) Jews it threw out if it's lands and froze their property and assets to this day not letting them get them back.
@@bennyhill7487for a moment I thought you were speaking from an educated standpoint, then I realized you are a moron who gives zero acknowledgement that the indigenous tribes of America were never peaceful. They conducted conquest, massacres, and forced displacement for centuries before the arrival of Europeans, who simply possessed the technology and resources to do it better. The Comanche almost rendered the Lipan extinct, as just one example. Take your virtue signaling and false, self-righteous narrative elsewhere.
It is good to hear some real history - the modern movies of today are rubbish if any history is involved, because there is so much revision of history - full of propaganda. Regards.
Was curious about specific instances of Comanche raids and abuse of their captives but what a fine storyteller I’ve found in you. Your information is well sourced and sited, quite scholarly actually and yet your delivery is one of a guy’s guy. I watched several more of your suggested videos before coming back here to comment. I just couldn’t wait to get to the next one, sorry. Good stuff!
Silas took out 4 Comanche warriors. Many stories came out about the ferocity of the Comanche warriors, however there were many American soldiers, frontiersmen, and Army veterans who fought and beat the Comanche in lopsided victories. Often small groups of frontiersmen and Army veterans went out and defeated them with stunning success. Good vid.
@@ThatGuy-rdoYou mean Literally very true, bro LOL Historical fact, and the obvious results of them that are the very world you live in, don't care about your feelings 😅
@sanichedgedawg the results are quite the opposite, 90% at the time period have already died due to disease, and the vast majority of the rest died due to fighting other tribes the others died to our now liberal government and maybe some died due to these guys don't forget natives the US calvary couldn't take them Rangers got wiped there were numerous things that led to their demise educate yourself
@@MrDannyHeim. First time I've come across the guy with his style of presentation. But your probably right about content, not one of America's finest hours.
This reminds me of the things my Greek grandfathered relayed when his village was attacked by invading Italians. His entire village was lined up and shot point blank in their mouths and faces, and his entire village slaughtered. The only one to survive to tell the tale was his half-brother who hid under their house as he watched his entire family murdered. Uncle Spiros never got over it. He was the last of his family line. He searched for years for his oldest brother in America. Eventually he found us. War has two sides, the victors and the losers. My grandfather's peasant village was no match for the rifle-armed, well-trained Italian soldiers. They were captured and slaughtered without mercy. Women and children were not spared either. While the Greeks were fierce fighters, the small, unarmed villiages were no match for rifles and bullets. My grandfather mourned the loss of his father and siblings the rest of his life. Any people would fight.and raid if their homeland was invaded. This is a repeating theme since time immemorial.
This story of Rachel Plumber needs to be told. There is nothing nobel in brutality. Thank you for telling this piece of the tale, would appreciate the rest of the story.
I am sorry but ARE we going to talk about oppressed people defending THEMSELVES. Same story as Trans folks and Palestinians being hunted down by white supremacy!
@alxp-zd1zj more than likely died. In some of the older towns here in Texas you can go back into old news paper articles about the comanche raids. Generally in the news reports, the infants are killed quickly when they start crying or being noisy.
Great true story, "Follow the River". 2 woman abducted and their escape. George Washington interviewed them to learn about the Ohio river valley area which was pretty much unexplored at that time. Great book !💖!💖!💖! Didn't know there was a video!
Yes, I have that movie & watched it with my grandkids. *my grandson, when the Betsy character was sold to another tribe as a slave said"well that's what she earned herself for being a whiney little besch of a coward. The women who got away had courage & that earned them respect." Out of the mouths of babes...
I hope you informed your grandson that no woman should ever be sold into slavery, regardless of his opinion of her character. Make that no human should ever be treated that way by another human for any reason.@@wrennspencer6070
Been sharing some of these stories with my younger kids. They are uncomfortable with them, as they are taught in the Canadian school system that Indians are victims, did always good, and only white folks committed crimes. I appreciate the more balanced perspective from this channel, very much. Thank you.
It's ridiculously unbalanced here. It encourages the natives to lie on their backs like turtles, refusing to make any efforts to improve their lives. All they do is whine & demand more reparations. 👎🏻
Yes I am Texan. My grandson was out in California in the school system and took issue with me being Texan...he said he had learned in school we murdered the Indians with relish and were evil people. I was astounded....in public school? It was the 90's...he is an adult now in the military and I imagine that early indoctrination stuck.
I understand the rage and hatred of the Indians towards the intruders. But Indians weren't saints either, they constantly fought with each other for the land, women, or just because. And the Comanche sounds like the most brutal tribe ever, a bunch of maniacs hungry for blood and suffering...
@latinaalma1947 It is history. How is that indoctrination? It happened, and that was bad. Children should learn about history, whether good or bad. In German schools, children learn ALL about WW2. You just can't leave the bad things out.
Good on you. It is a good read. I should have linked it in the description but it is old enough that you can find it online for free. I bought the audiobook version. That isn’t bad either.
You might enjoy the autobiography of Olive Oatman too. The fact that her brother never stopped looking for her and the little sister gets me every time.
So amazing to hear about Cynthia Parker and her son Quanah. I lived in Quanah Tx as young girl for about 3 years. My father was one of the ministers in town. To hear about this intersection of lives who impact so many even today, was very interesting.
My Mom Jackie Kidd was raises in Quanah Texas. My grandma Ruby Parker Kidd was the great Niece of Cynthia Parker. My Grandpa JL Kidd built the wall around the city park in Quanah in the 1930's still there.
Accidentally found your video. History has always been an interest of mine for as long as I can remember. My husband’s family had a picture of one of the families grandmother. The family story was she was an important female in (I think it was Cherokee??) an Indian tribe. She fell in love with one of the white men, married and had children - thus being my husband’s family history. The story was that the Indian tribe was angry she was with the white man. A group of Indian riders came to their cabin to get her back. She instructed her husband to not come out of the cabin for any reason. Apparently she knew what was coming. She refused to go with them so they cut half her ear off so all Indians will know she was white from that point on. This is told by my husband’s family, and after so many story telling I would assume it was right - all of their stories were told the same way. Interesting for sure. Appreciate your posts and you have a fan.
The truth is sometimes just ugly . How cruel humans can be is just awful. How much that poor woman and her babies endured is a story that needs to be told. What a strong woman she must have been. I am glad you are getting some of this history out in the open. Thank You.
"A Fate Worse than Death" by Gregory and Susan Michno is a catalog of documented Indian raids and captivity from 1830 to 1885. It is a great reference and foundation for captive history in the Old West.
And "Empire of the Summer Moon". Horrifying things that went on during the Indian wars and the author chose not to include some details because he thought they would be too much for readers.
@@TerrariumDiscoveryGamingMoreYou're applying today's standards to history. That doesn't work. And I'm guessing that you are enjoying the benefits that the people of those days made possible. Warfare is one thing. Torture is another.
You read the book, oh wow, about things that happened before two or three century's? Oh, that must be the reality and true, Luke. Come on, this channel and you, is just one of many bs channels full of hate, and for people full of hate... In the best scenario (for you), you're living in the past and hating the descendants of people from past. You all know nothing about war and violence. I was in war (for my country and my family) and i can recognize that this is ONE-SIDED BS!
too many people think the native americans were pure-minded, gentle, loving souls of the earth, and europeans showed up and butchered them. that's just not true. many tribes were awful, horrible, murderous people who tortured and raped their captives and their defeated enemies, killed their children, and all that.... how warlike people are depends largely on how much they HAVE to fight. the more you have to fight to survive, the more common and socially acceptable brutality becomes.
The comanche evolved into a war-like culture similar to the mongols after europeans introduced horses. They also stole old manuscripts from the spanish and learned how to hang to the side of the horse or even face backwards and shoot arrows while running away. Their hit and run tactics made them essentially invincible before USA post civil war. Similar to the Fremen in Dune, if you couldn't keep up with the party (all on horseback) you die. Children who were old enough to ride and too young to fight or be a sex slave (ages 6-13) were assimilated into the tribe.
The mistake everyone makes about native Americans is that they are not one group of people. There were many different nations here. Some good and some bad.
Different times and situations. If people come in and try to steal your land, you’d fight. It’s still going on in parts of the world. The degree of savagery is totally relevant to the time in history. Unfortunately for most indigenous people, the white man won by numbers and power.
@@BynggoBeing the first person on a continent does not grant you all the land in perpetuity. They did not 'own' the land in any real sense of the word.
@@ohsweetmystery Oh I understand that, but it is still an attitude from a different time. Very few place these days are ‘discovered’ by more improved versions of humans…in their minds anyway. In recent times people migrate with permission to do so. You know: visa and passports are involved. Europeans just marched in in and said pi$$ off you lot, this is ours now. They fought the natives over it, they fought the French over it, they fought the British over it, they fought Mexicans over it…good heavens, they fought each other over it. Still do in some parts. You know sort of like Europeans in modern times in the Middle East.
Excellent video. My husband, Thomas Goodrich, wrote an interesting book called Scalp Dance: Indian Warfare on the High plains 1865-1879. He would have enjoyed your video. He passed away December 4, 2024. He was a great and true historian.
I am terribly sorry to hear of his passing. I love Scalp Dance and have recommended it to several people. I have been planning a series on the Sioux and I intend for it to be one of my bases for people. Goodrich captures of brutality of the frontier in a way most authors wouldn’t even approach. He was truly one of the greats. It means more than you know that you reached out. Thank you.
Love hearing about history. There is always good and bad in every race and so many nuances that we do not understand. Different tribes, be it black, white, native American, etc have their own beliefs and ways. Thanks for this bit of history.
I definitely would like to know a more detailed story about Rachel’s life. Thank you for this clear and to the point narration. I learned a lot from it.
I enjoyed this video very much. Perhaps you can do another about the massacre at Tome, NM by Comanches. It seems the Spanish settlements in the Rio Grande valley were subject to frequent Comanche raids. For some reason it appears a prominent citizen of the village of Tome became on speaking terms with a Comanche chief and his daughter became fast friends with the chief's son. The chief and Spaniard agreed that when the youngsters became old enough, they would be wed. The Comanches protected this village as a sign of friendship. When the time came, the chief visited the village looking for the daughter. The Spaniard lied and said she had died of smallpox. In short order, the chief found out the truth, and enraged, ordered the raid of Tome and the inhabitants massacred. The funny thing is sometimes I can find this story on the internet and sometimes not. Tal vez es solamente una leyenda.
School isn't supposed to teach you everything. If your school didn't give you a basic understanding of the relationship between native American tribes and the USA, that's on them AND you for not pursuing it. Shocking, they didn't teach horrific stories to children. Absolute idiot.
this is only story of war that paint native Americans as bad! how would you feel if someone came in and moved in and took over your home area!? Natives were here and the "settlers" came and took over like it was "okay"... of course you are going to defend your homelands... The natives!!! keep learning it's all interesting!
It’s ironic to me that today many of the people who have deemed the Comanche to simply be a group of victims would have been hated by them for dishonoring their courage and would have been slaughtered by them if the Comanche thought it necessary.
Yes, if you've lived on your own land for hundreds of years, your history if there, your homes, your crops and Europeans come and think it's their right to take that land then I believe they had a right to defend their land and themselves.
@@SB-mm9zh The Europeans never ran anybody off of land until years after they were sick of being kidnapped, raped, mutilated and killed by Attackers from Outside of their small communities. And besides... I thought that the Natives Didn't Believe In Possessions or the concept of Possessing Land...🤔 leftists' myriad contradictions are absurd.😂
The Comanche way of life was stealing horses, murdering anyone who got in their way, and enslaving and torturing captives of all ethnicities. Their barbarian ways were bound to conflict with those who chose lives based on building a productive society.
What about the Apache? That land was previously Apache land. Before Apache it was Navaho, Pueblo and Ute that conquered the land. Before the Navaho, Pueblo and Ute they conquered the Anasazi, Hokam and Mogolian. And before the Anasazi, Hokam and Mogollon it was occupied by Paleo-Indian cultures. Calling out Europeans as being evil in some way is the history of the world. It has always conquer or be conquered.
Absolutely stunningly blunt, objective and historically accurate account of history that's been neglected, forgotten, downplayed, and just another giant footnote to the total lack of importance placed on always troubling facts in our or anyone else's history. This is an invaluable service this site and its narrator performs. As it jostles us free just "a little bit"from the morass of the white liberal guilt we've been sunk in for a century at least.
Of course people have blood on their hands, when they are perpetrators or co-conspirators of murder. But how do you figure that they are guilty of the murderous crimes done by their ancestors, and they have not participated in that themselves? And if that sharing of guilt is a thing, then why wouldn't children also share the guilt of their murderous ancestors? Make no mistake?! SMH... 19:24
It's interesting that since horses were not introduced to the America's until Spanish conquistadors brought them, this entire people's horse culture was contingent on prior conquest.
I could have spent some more time on that aspect. I definitely didn’t do it justice. Benjamin obviously buys time leaving the fort and Silas stays in but so do a few other men. They knew they were going to die. A very chivalrous “down with the ship” kind of choice. People back then had experiences that make me very grateful to live today.
I would like to hear more on this story,And if there are other testimonies from the settlers and Comanche that would be very good. Cynthia Parker is another astonishing account,im curious about others
@TP-ym1xe One thing I wish I could do more of is tell stories from the perspective of either side. It becomes difficult to do with groups like the Comanche. They didn’t record their history or write narratives about their side. The ones we do have tend to be watered down versions post-1880. People involved in the Indian wars were often reluctant to tell the whole story of what they were involved in. So for specific Comanche, I don’t love the sources I would have. Cynthia Ann is one where outside the Parker raid we don’t know too much about where she was until she is repatriated. That part of the story gets rather sad. She was fully integrated into the tribe and wanted nothing more than to return to the Comanche. Her Daughter, prairie flower was captured with her and if I remember correctly died, not too long later. Cynthia Ann herself would die before she even got a chance to be reunited with her surviving child, Quanah.
@@datesanddeadguys that i didnt know,Cynthia never got to see Quanah again,Combine that with being taken out of Comanche life,She must have been miserable
@getoffenit7827 It is incredibly sad. At the end she would just sort of wonder west until people brought her home, she would slash herself (a common Native American grieving act), and I can’t recall if she died from this but for a time she starved herself.
Obvious error at 18:32, stating Rachel Plummer died in 1939, instead of 1839. Doesn't diminish the quality of the video and anybody with an IQ over 75 could use simple reasoning to know that 1939 was impossible, but I'm sure the creators would like to fix the error all the same.
Incredible but limited. I try to emphasize it more in the video on the Elm Creek Raid but their adherence to custom made it so they could do far less damage. They had a small population (20k at max. Only 7-8k warriors). A perfect raid happened when they could get in and out without taking a loss. Losses were devestating. So if anything went wrong they were very quick to abandon attacks. But when things went right, like at the Parker fort, it was absolute destruction.
Too many projects for what I can actually manage. In the short term (2 months… I hope) I have two more Donner Party videos and one a woman captured by the Lakota named Fanny Kelly. The hard work of research and writing is done on all of them. Just have to refine, film, and edit. After that I am debating a few projects. I have had my eyes on uncontacted tribes of the Amazon for a while. Why they are uncontacted is pretty dark. And depending on if the Lakota video hits or not I may consider a series on them or move on to another one the Aztecs. I have a lot of unused notes on both.
Great narration. A common issue I’ve seen in my reading of European expansion is that anglos tend to lump the various indigenous nations & tribes together. There were about 500 distinct nations comprised of thousands of tribal groups, & different practices & behaviors that evolved from their myriad experiences. At one point pre-colonial settlements had to enforce severe penalties on whites who ran off to live among the savages. Lewis & Clark documented tribes that were friendly, clean, & prosperous as well as some who were filthy & degenerate by our customs. Whites moving west were ignorant of the intertribal disputes & the outrages perpetrated by the Spanish for a couple hundred years prior. Tribes where property wasn’t recognized as personal were perceived as thieves when items were walked off with. Women in some tribes were veritable slaves & horses routinely brutalized. In others it would be the opposite. Anyhow, “the Indians” is so broad a term as to be ridiculous because of all the diversity across the continent.
Horses brutalized-- the horses on the Warm Springs Reservation on Central Oregon are still brutalized. The Natives call them"shitters" and treat them horribly.
“Diversity” 🤣 You know how Caucasians are lumped together and called “White People”? Yeah, Caucasians are diverse too but that word means “anyone that isn’t them”. Europeans diversified America, before that it was just red skins everywhere.
Great video. Wished you would have included something about the Texas response to the savagery which led to the formation of the Texas Rangers. But a great overall video and a part of history most don't know.
It's a breath of fresh air to have a real person with a real voice, actually narrating. All these Turkeys now who do a Y/T post, then overdub with a robot voice - I just refuse to listen to them.
Same.
@@Clintsessentials
Ditto. Hate those mechanical voices.
Indeed.@@barbaraseymour3437
Some real people have annoying voices though.
I feel the same. I'm so sick of the AI voices.
This was my first time coming across your channel. I am a retired elementary social studies teacher, and I enjoyed listening to you telling this story. Knowledge is something that is taken for granted in the time we live in. Thanks again, hope you continue sharing the history of this country that many want to deny or not talk about.
In the entjrety of my education in the US I was never taught that natves were even capble of such crulty. It was always just said that settlrs were neutral at best but mostly eviI while natves were moraly superor. Many people report the same experience who were educated in our systm. Why do you think it is like that?
@@valuedCustomer2929 You're of course asking for the opinions of people who are subject matter experts on Western settlement. I'm just replying as a 73 year-old man who was educated in parochial and public schools, and in the northeast. I don't recall learning ANYTHING about this subject, although I have a vague recollection of what was meant by Manifest Destiny. Of course we all learned about the "first Thanksgiving" but know today that it was not the way it was taught.
To the degree that it was ever acknowledged that there had been any kind of conflict between civilizations, we just had a vague understanding that whatever it was that happened to the Indians was inevitable. I never heard any "defense" of the natives as being noble or morally superior. They were just human beings (at best) that got in the way of the settling of the west. In fact, if the popular westerns of the time were to be believed, the Indians were ignorant and bloodthirsty and incapable of defending themselves against the superior numbers and weaponry of the western settlers and the US Army.
That said, I have of course encountered people who romanticize Indian culture and maybe some of them take refuge in the idea that they were morally superior to us. That's as simplistic as believing what John Wayne and Andrew Jackson taught us. History is never that simple and the one thing we can agree on is that western settlement was sometimes a dangerous and sometimes a horrific experience, whichever side you were on. What's undeniable was that the US government devoted blood and treasure to be sure that Indian civilization was subdued - in the opinion of a regular guy with a regular education.
@@valuedCustomer2929 I bet that you were never taught that by the 15th century, the Islamic Empire had conquered 19 European countries - as well as India, and the majority of East and North Africa.
Yew choob deletes stuff so I can't even talk about their thriving trade in people.
Sadly this man's take on history in no way takes into account the influx of settler's brutal expansion into native lands. There's so much history that goes untold mainly BC the invasion is told by the voice of the oppressors. The horrors on both sides of history are terrible and there's usually no good guys or bad.....just those trying to survive.
@@carolmacdonald2918 Agreed and an excellent point. I can certainly say that the silence I experienced as a student was surely deliberate and a way of avoiding the accountability we should have learned. The same sentiment exists today in the efforts to suppress other legacies of the American experiment that are uncomfortable or inconvenient.
History no matter how gruesome , is probably the most important school subject. When you analyse the subject matter ( whatever that might be ) it gives you a broader insight into human nature. It becomes a bit of a compass and if you learn from it hopefully we won’t make the same mistakes . But these days people want to either delete or alter history to suit their own narrative. Very good video 👍👍
Here's an example of an Anglo. Trying hard to keep horrific narratives about a specific group.
But continue to paint themselves as the heroes and the victims😂
Indeed, the Left's rewriting of history to suit their narrative is one of the most reprehensible aspects of their current movement.
Please tell this to the idiot that is in charge of Florida as governor... and maybe he can tell his fellow idiot friends... Because history is repeated... and not always exactly how the original attacks happened.... People who are trying to change history or just hide it, had best beware of karma....
Liberals and their communist masters want to delete or alter history to suit their own fake history lie. Stop pretending both sides do it. It allows the communists attempting a coup to escape without consequences.
@@bestia2.063LOL. You communist rewriters of history are the ones spinning narratives...also known as lies...to paint your Marxist victim groups as the losers and then leverage them for power. Stuff it Scooter.
History, no matter how brutal or disturbing should be told.
We were at WAR with the aboriginal Americans. Our cultures were anti each other. One group had to succumb. We won the war, they lost it.
We won the war but there wld not hve been a war if the u.s. government had upheld the treaties made w the native americans. Our govt won the war with lies, treachery and murder. It is important to kno both the bad and the good of our history.
@@vanessamartz7596Gross way to put it, Vanessa
It's refreshing to hear both sides of the story - we need more "full" history like this.
no we don't
@@MrDannyHeim So - getting all of the history i.e. how brutal some native American tribes were AS WELL AS how whites mistreated them is a bad thing? Stop hiding from the truth. You can try to white wash or change history all you want - but the real truth still doesn't change.
We can't stop the Whit Guilt Grift...shut it down!
@@MrDannyHeimoh look the uneducated 🤪🖐🏻
@@MrDannyHeim and why we don’t? Because these facts are against what you learned at school?
For anyone interested in what happened to Cynthia Ann Parker, an amazing read is "Empire of the Summer Moon" by S. C. Gwynne. An audio version is also available. I don't want to say anything and spoil your read. I truly enjoyed the book.
Excellent book
I grew up in the Texas Panhandle where the Comanche ruled. The book was great. In Palo Duro Canyon, you can see the play Texas in the canyon.
Yeah, this book left a huge impression on me, and I couldn't stop thinking about it. Highly recommended.
Katheryn, I have just finished reading that book, and found it amazing! I thought her son that became the head of the Comanche tribes was really a heart felt unique man himself. I really loved him thru most of the book. It could get pretty gory on both sides, just have to say.
Thank you for your recommendation. I will for sure read this book. I love historically true stories of the pioneer days
I'm over 70, but listening to you made me feel like a young boy in school learning U.S. History. Thanks and Blessings! (new sub).
Hmph, back when they actually used to teach history.
@@odysseusrex5908 very true!
I'm 53 and this was not taught to us, at all....only stupid movies that made the Indians the "bad guy" ....the truth is messy ....murder and torture on both sides! The truth would've had our generation, "history buffs" ! Now i have a whole world of information at my fingertips,I wish I could show grandmother,my new library card...lol
@@MichelleBattersby-dw3yy I Believe that GOD ALMIGHTY is allowing that Justice be known through Truth and not the lies that have been told and passed down. Let the Truth Be Known! All Glory To GOD ALMIGHTY! Praised Be YOU KING JESUS… HALLELUJAH!
@@tmaddrummer I appreciate your faith , but we're responsible as individuals (every human)how we live and respect for all life ....organized religion didn't teach me that! (went to a Baptist Christian school and was beaten almost every day, now that's some evil shit)
Holy Cow! 55yrs old & I probably can count on my two hands the number of YT videos I've watched from beginning to end - This easily makes the top 5 !!! Great Orator!
Since I was a young child I have been fascinated by the Native American history / way of life and throughout the years bought many a book on the subject but discovering this place brings that history to life - congratulations , sir on creating this most valuable of sites .
They were truly horrible people. It's good to see the truth.
@@FFGG22E To be honest, some Native Americans were very nobly and had good morals.
Not all of them were Satanic savages. The ones who were tend to get all the publicity.
And don't forget, a lot of Whites were evil and cruel, too.
Gen. George Custer is a perfect example of pure evil and sadism.
Plus, the men who carried out the Wounded Knee Massacre in S.D.
@@FFGG22E Warlike like Europeans, except they didn't cross several oceans to raid another people.
@@FFGG22Esome yes, others were persecuted for absolutely no reason other than the sins of the evil. History and people aren't black and white, no matter how much you try to make them
@@martaholmes4287I'm glad they are on the reg . payback a Bich.
Although very tragic and horrific in parts, the productions and narration of these excellent stories are second to none. It must have taken a long time and a lot of hard work to produce, I really appreciate them. I particularly like, how you show respect and are unbiased, and sensitive, not going too deep in the gory parts. Another thing is it awakens some of our darkest fears held from childhood and watching old movies. But still, The way you describe events is so vivid and visual, I feel I'm there, and wonder what I'd be like and do in these situations. So glad I discovered you. I find it fascinating. Thank you..great job.
Back in the day people used to wonder how they would have behaved in Hitler's Germany - now I know after 2020. Human nature can be weak and terrible at the same time.
I'm very glad I did not live west of the Mississippi River before 1880!
I never wanted to be an explorer. I was quite content volunteering with conservation and wildlife groups within established civilization. Some people have the skills and training to go into back country areas, but that’s not me. I’m both amazed and grateful that some people wanted to explore the early Western Hemisphere.
Of all the spoken history channels, I find your narrative style to be the easiest to listen to. The tone of voice conveys, for me, the implacability of the circumstances and helps to recreate just how incredible the fight for survival in a hostile environment truly was. It's a real reminder of the history. A sobering task to recall it for others but it carries a realism that is rare to find
I agree I love the delivery and I love the speed at which he speaks I didn't have to speed up the playback no annoying pauses.
I Was riveted to the story and the music in the background was not distracting it added to the whole ambience I really appreciated this and I for one cannot wait to hear you tell the Captive story. The little bit that you told of the story was so vivid that I think that I will dream of it.
Agreed. He has combined tastefully spare music, visceral storytelling straight from the history books and a dry delivery to let the material speak for itself. After that, all the listener has to do is play the visual element in their own mind, which is what true storytelling has always allowed people to do@@christie4004
Couldnt of said it better myself!🫡
Thank you. I have followed Quanah's life for years. I wrote a term paper on the Comanches in 1980 and have read Empire of the Summer Moon and have also referenced both books by Fehrenbach and Wilbarger. The Wilbarger book first got me interested (Depredations of the Indians in Texas) back in 1976. Today in the basement of our home in the Colorado Rockies, we have a framed photograph (same as cover of Fehrenbach's book) of Quanah Parker next to our stone fireplace I have to mention that Peta Nocona, Quanah's father, was killed by Colonel Sullivan Ross for whom Sul Ross University in Alpine, Texas is named. Somehow, I can't help but side with the Comanches, and I know that isn't something many will understand. A clash of two wildly different cultures. I'll always admire Quanah Parker. You make an excellent presentation. Bravo! *The word "Comanche" comes from the Navajo meaning , "he who wants to fight me all the time".
I also feel compelled to side with them some what. They finally settled in the Texas panhandle desolute area, but the US Army still hunted them down finally attacking their camp in Palo Duro Canyon, instead of killing the Commanches they slaughtered all of their horses. After that sent to the Okla reservation. Yes they were brutal but the US Calvary did some brutal things as well. George Custer attacked Black Kettles camp in the middle of night in Oklahoma . Black Kettle was peaceful and had an agreement to be there , Custer killed many women and children killed 100 warriors. Custer, rumor has it took one of the young Indian women as his and had a child with her. Custer finally had Karma catch up with him in 1876
@@armandsmith9290 It's been my impression that Quanah finally realized that there was no future for his people if they attempted to continue in the Comanche way of life and that he "brought them in" voluntarily to the reservation in Oklahoma. on a cold winter's night. Because he was "recognized" and also because of his character and his reputation, he was never made to sign any treaties nor papers with "terms" for his people. And his ability to "adapt" eventually paid off for the Quehadis, his people. I must admit, living here in the Rocky Mountains and playing guitar gigs from Durango to Creede and points between, I meet all sorts of people. And I have met several Comanches, and have spoken with them and expressed great admiration for "the Lords of the Plains". And btw, you may already know that the practice of scalping was imported from Spanish explorers.
"Quahadis"---forgive me, please.
Interesting I didnt realize the Spanish brought that over scalping.
@@DanEvans-yb6wk That's false. There are evidence of scalping being used before the arrival of Europeans in the Americas. Look for instance for "Crow Creek mass grave" where about 500 natives massacred by other natives were buried around 1350. Many (men, women, children) had been scalped. The story about it being a custom created by Europeans is just that, a story, made up to demonize Europeans and absolve natives of anything that could appear shocking.
So very, very well done, thank you. I have just recently finished the book Empire of the Summer Moon. I wasn't certain that it would be too dry and all about the soldiers and the "horrific savages", but it turned out amazing! It mentioned Rachel Plummer a bit, but a lot more of Cynthia Ann Parker's life. And a lot more about the Comanches. They were fascinating people, very deadly, yet brilliant in they're people and horse training skills, sneak midnight attacks, leaving no trail, among other feats. I truly learned so much more about that time period in Texas and both the white and the Indian people of that time period. Thank you so much for telling both sides of the great west story.
For those wondering about Rachel's story, they took her healthy 6 week old baby and threw him on the ground to kill him. When she was able to revive him, they tied a rope to his legs and drug him through cactus until his body was torn apart.
Literally pure evil.
Ahh the Nobel natives 😕
Ow 😣
I know way better than to read these.
But I do (sigh)
Yep, pure rotten evil!
😢.
Poor baby & momma-💔😭
But, thank you for more details
Omg!! 😭
Happy Indigenous People's Day!!
This was done to my ppl too and toddlers fed to alligators..
You kept me on the edge of my seat telling this tragic story. Id love to know more about Rachael's story. In the meantime, I'm on my way to watch your other videos! Thanks!
My great and great great grandmothers survived a Palo Pinto County Comanche raid just before the onset of the civil war. Shot by arrows and left for dead, went on to have long and fruitful lives. They stayed. I don't know if I could have done that.
Fascinating. I was stationed at Fort Sill, OK, for 10 years, so I am familiar with the story of Cynthia Ann Parker. She is buried at Fort Sill.
My grandson went to boot camp at Fort Sill, he went to South Korea, came home back in Idaho ❤
@@davidmorin6667 When was he there? I was there 1998-2008.
You must be a Redleg. I was there in 86.
yea i grew up in lawton (fort Sill) Geronimo is buried nearby in the town named after him. (supposedly anyway he was obviously Apache) Quanah Parker has streets and monuments named after him still here. Its in Comanche county so obviously the Comanches are very appreciated here. Apaches also. You can still see Geronimo's jail cell, where he paced so much the floor is worn like a hole, and the bars are bent from him constantly pulling on them.
I am a 76 yo Texan and grew up on the story of Cynthia Parker and her Comanche son.
I enjoy listening the stories you're telling. There's something magical in your representation of the past. The closest I can describe it is as sitting next to a bonfire somewhere in the wilderness at night, covered with a blanket, with a good warm coffee in my hand, and listening an old friend telling his passed experience. Keep up the good work sir, and if possible release new videos more often. Would you as well consider including the gold rush stories and the impact the process has had over the natives as well as stories of yet uncovered hidden treasures ( Superstition Mountains etc. )
That’s very kind of you. It means a lot. Much time goes into these videos. I working on finding a way to get more content out. One of my hopes as the channel grows is to start working with an editor. By the end of the year I would love to be in a place where I am getting out a video every two weeks.
@@datesanddeadguysEvent if you have to sacrifice some of the visuals in favor of release videos more often, please do. I like the visuals but I ( and probably most of the audience ) enjoy much more listening the stories, being told in this magical way.
You might want to look up Herman Lehrman who was an Indian captive. You might also look up Baron John O.Meusbach head of the German settlers in Fredericksburg.He made a treaty with them which neither side broke The town of Baby head in Llano County was named because there was an Indian raid and they stole a baby .Settlers went after them, but all they found was a baby,s head Near San Antonio is Woman,s Hollering Creek.One story is a woman was washing clothes in the creek and saw native Americans approaching and shouting a warning.Now on an old Bexar County map saw it as Indian Woman Hollow Creek Wish I had bought the map years ago .
I wonder if this would be a common sentiment. Some really good story telling channels do very little in the realm of visuals. It could be good advice.
@@datesanddeadguys It's what we as humans have done since time immemorial-- listen to stories. Sometimes the visuals just get in the way and
interrupt the flow. Maybe set the scene in the beginning with a visual, then just go on to tell the story. You have a very good voice and manner for this kind of
thing. Thank you for what you're doing!
I was born in Gallup New Mexico. It's on Rt66. It's between Albuquerque and Flagstaff, Az. Our town was surrounded by the Red Rocks.
I used to have nightmares about Comanche Warriors coming down out of the Red Rocks! It horrified me as a child till I found out that all happened "a long time ago"! Gallup is up by the panhandle of Texas so we were between the Navajo and Comanche reservations.
Gallup is 370 miles, give or take, from Texas, I wouldn't exactly call that "near" the panhandle of Texas.
That's what I was thinking. It is literally next door to Arizona.
@@perryrush6563 100 miles past Albuquerque going west, is Gallup. Then 100more miles is Flagstaff Az.
Gallup is where they have the Largest
Pow-wow and rodeo in the world. Every. Indian tribe in Canada, United States and Mexico all converge once a year in Gallup.
Fort Windgate, Kit Carson's cave are just before you get to the town. If you Don't get there the second week of September, if you blink you'll miss it!
@@randymartin5521 have you ever been out west? EVERYTHING is 100miles from everything else!!! A big lot of nothing! But it's beautiful
the various Indians tribes would kill off their prey and then raid and rape and murder other tribes or settlers Who actually made a nation.
It says a lot about the Comanche that even other Native Americans feared and hated them.😳
The Commanche were not alone on that. Most tribes had a "hate" list.
It says a lot about European colonists that all other Native Americans feared and hated them.
@@libertas5005 why don't you stick to the truth, instead of propaganda?
@@libertas5005 This isn't true at all, wtf?
Wow Im impressed. Great delivery without gimmicks. Very informative and without the usual modern bias.
Even Chirakawas were, not afraid, but they beware of comancheros territories. Great video. Rgds
"Comancheros" weren't the same thing as "Comanches". They were people engaged in trade with the Comanches.
They were afraid of the Comanche. The Apache actually asked both the Mexican and American armies to protect them from the Comanche
They both stole the land from the original inhabitants, they aren't victims of anything they haven't done themselves.
Way back in my family tree, I am a descendant of the Texas Parkers. I can recall as a youngster at holidays and family gatherings how my cousin and I would be playing in the living room while the adults sat around the table and talked about the Parker family, mostly Cynthia Ann and Quanah. Now, as an adult, I wish I could have heard more of those conversations and learned that family history in detail. Empire of the Summer Moon was a great read, and I plan to get the others you mentioned.
Cynthia Parker’s story was heartbreaking! She loved her native husband and kids. A woman in the town wrote that Cynthia would often be seen walking to the very edge of town staring out across the vast landscape in the direction of her native village. Can’t imagine the torment that poor woman felt! 💔
That sounds incredibly cringey.
@@spankyjeffro5320”Spanky Jeffro” with the spider man profile picture thinks someone else is cringe. What a world 😂
When I was barely 10 or 11 years old my brothers and sisters and I would gather around my great-grandmother's knees on the floor at her house and listen while she told us stories of "life on the prairie" . She had traveled from Europe, Norway, specifically, and crossed the Eastern United States and into the harsh Northern U.S.A., settling in Minnesota. I recall one story (after which I believe I was shocked into deafness), whereby she told a story of women who were captured by Indians and hung by their mammary glands and further tortured and mutilated, killed. As I said, I didn't hear any more after that. But I loved my great-grandmother, she was a very tough character and I respected her greatly. I was a very sheltered young girl and on some level I believe I needed a shocking revelation of the truth of life in our world, on our planet. I think it helped me not to take my life for granted, although my upbringing was hard, I never complained.
I am also from Northern Minnesota and I’m Norwegian. Up here in Lake of the Woods there’s an island called “massacre island”. French Voyageurs were the first settlers of the area they were traveling across Lake of the Woods via canoe…they were met by a Sioux war tribe, who came to attack the Ojibwe..instead the Sioux ran into 21 Frenchman. All the Frenchmen perished
Excellent historical video. Humans and our history is indeed brutal. Thanks!
This man is a wonderful story-teller. I agree with so many other commenters that to find a good story told by a real person is the best. Subscribed ☑
BTW Rachel died in 1839 not 1939. She died like a week before her 20th birthday. I believe if I got the dates right. For only having lived 19 years, what a life she had, and the fact that her writing and her life story still live on in peoples memory still is amazing to me. Another fascinating thing I learned, was that the Comanche had such low birth rates that they kept captives, and raised them to be members of the tribe when they were child bearing age. I never knew that they had such low birth rates pretty amazing stuff. Thanks again.
Whatever happen to her 18 month old baby?
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@@rogerknueven7468 was eventually ransomed back to his relatives.
They basically killed her.
The Cheyenne did the same thing.
I grew up in San Antonio and always heard the term “Comanche Moon” only to learn later in life that it meant on a full moon Comanches would attack and or steal all the horses thereby stranding the soldiers or settlers.
I grew up being told of my ancestors that were victims of an Indian raid in central Texas. Several family members died at their hands, but 2 children survived. Their mother hid them in a flour barrel when she saw Indians approaching. The story says the children spent the night with the bodies of their slaughtered family still lying outside their home. They were rescued by neighbors the next morning. The older child, a girl of about 10 years, was my direct ancestor, several generations back.
For a moment I thought you were describing what the Native people of this country had gone through for so so many years. Then they got tired of being treated that way and gave the Europeans a taste of their own medicine. Or maybe the Comanche were retaliating for the 100,000 people who were removed from their land forced to move westward. So many possibilities.
My entire understanding of the term " settler " has changed with the West Bank. Land theft was and is never right.
@@johnmcbride1749west bank is not theft. It was won from Jordan by Israel in a war of self defense for its existence, and it has always had communities of Jews living there, this is also known as Judea and Samaria. Half a dozen Muslim nations called to throw the Jews into the sea and lost. Then they got to set the terms of the deal, since when do losers of a war dictate the terms? And Gaza and Sinai from Egypt, Sinai it returned in exchange for peace and Egypt refused to take back Gaza, not wanted to the population living there. Theft is what Arab nations did to 850,000 (far more than Palestinians according to the UN) Jews it threw out if it's lands and froze their property and assets to this day not letting them get them back.
😂 it's history
@@bennyhill7487for a moment I thought you were speaking from an educated standpoint, then I realized you are a moron who gives zero acknowledgement that the indigenous tribes of America were never peaceful. They conducted conquest, massacres, and forced displacement for centuries before the arrival of Europeans, who simply possessed the technology and resources to do it better. The Comanche almost rendered the Lipan extinct, as just one example. Take your virtue signaling and false, self-righteous narrative elsewhere.
I read Empire of the Summer Moon several years and found it fascinating. Loved your video, keep it coming. Such interesting history.
It is good to hear some real history - the modern movies of today are rubbish if any history is involved, because there is so much revision of history - full of propaganda. Regards.
Taylor Sheridan that made Yellowstone and other awesome shows is making a movie about the book right now. Going to be great I'm sure!
it's the shit history of white people on that time, the natives were the victims, remember that
North America has a lot of interesting history which we don't generally learn about here in Australia.
Yanks think the world began on 1776
We are not being taught our history either.
@@tommoore4717speaking from some shitty school in the Midwest? Cus they for sure teach it in 95% of high schools in multiple degrees of depth.
Any country that was colonized is a mass graveyard to whoever resisted. I’m sure Australia is no different.
You have had enough of your own Brutal stories with the indigenous Aborigines,
Was curious about specific instances of Comanche raids and abuse of their captives but what a fine storyteller I’ve found in you. Your information is well sourced and sited, quite scholarly actually and yet your delivery is one of a guy’s guy. I watched several more of your suggested videos before coming back here to comment. I just couldn’t wait to get to the next one, sorry. Good stuff!
Silas took out 4 Comanche warriors. Many stories came out about the ferocity of the Comanche warriors, however there were many American soldiers, frontiersmen, and Army veterans who fought and beat the Comanche in lopsided victories. Often small groups of frontiersmen and Army veterans went out and defeated them with stunning success. Good vid.
Very false bro 😂
the various Indians tribes would kill off their prey and then raid and rape and murder other tribes or settlers Who actually made a nation.
@@ThatGuy-rdoYou mean Literally very true, bro LOL
Historical fact, and the obvious results of them that are the very world you live in, don't care about your feelings 😅
@sanichedgedawg the results are quite the opposite, 90% at the time period have already died due to disease, and the vast majority of the rest died due to fighting other tribes the others died to our now liberal government and maybe some died due to these guys don't forget natives the US calvary couldn't take them Rangers got wiped there were numerous things that led to their demise educate yourself
@sanichedgedawg and many groups and the west had very strong bonds to native Americans despite what you people think
Well presented, by a real person with a real voice, so refreshing. The information also kicks the movie Soldier blue into perspective.
his voice is limited my friend, he's telling one story, not the one WE did to the natives, i'd dare that screwball to do that
@@MrDannyHeim. First time I've come across the guy with his style of presentation. But your probably right about content, not one of America's finest hours.
Another Dates and Dead Guys classic! You're like the history teacher we all wish we had back in the day!
This deserves 20 million views more that it yet has. Fabulous storytelling Sir!
TY for the Story...would very much enjoy hearing about the young woman's time in captivity...see you soon...
I love Texas history, and I love your factual, unvarnished telling
This reminds me of the things my Greek grandfathered relayed when his village was attacked by invading Italians. His entire village was lined up and shot point blank in their mouths and faces, and his entire village slaughtered. The only one to survive to tell the tale was his half-brother who hid under their house as he watched his entire family murdered. Uncle Spiros never got over it. He was the last of his family line. He searched for years for his oldest brother in America. Eventually he found us.
War has two sides, the victors and the losers. My grandfather's peasant village was no match for the rifle-armed, well-trained Italian soldiers. They were captured and slaughtered without mercy. Women and children were not spared either. While the Greeks were fierce fighters, the small, unarmed villiages were no match for rifles and bullets. My grandfather mourned the loss of his father and siblings the rest of his life. Any people would fight.and raid if their homeland was invaded. This is a repeating theme since time immemorial.
Camanche and Apache fought each other and it wasn't their land. Your attempt to compare legitimate countries vs wandering Indians isn't the same
In WW II, the Italians gathered Serbs into huge camps and simply starved them to death. Now Hamas is stealing 90% of the food trucks going into Gaza.
Amazing how even a heinous act like that by the Italians is merciful and respectful compared to what the Indians did.
@@T9RX3I think you missed the point
This was very well done. Thank you for showing reverence to the Comanche, as well as the victims.
Wasn't that the main reason for the formation of the Texas Rangers ? To battle the Comanche ? Thanks for the great video !
This story of Rachel Plumber needs to be told. There is nothing nobel in brutality. Thank you for telling this piece of the tale, would appreciate the rest of the story.
I am sorry but ARE we going to talk about oppressed people defending THEMSELVES. Same story as Trans folks and Palestinians being hunted down by white supremacy!
what happened to the 18 month old son?
@@alxp-zd1zj died during the attack. These attacks were brutal beyond belief.
Noble*, but you’re correct we didn’t even know the definition of that word, it was just good business for us.
@alxp-zd1zj more than likely died. In some of the older towns here in Texas you can go back into old news paper articles about the comanche raids. Generally in the news reports, the infants are killed quickly when they start crying or being noisy.
Thank you this was a most interesting and fascinating documentary.
I freaking love this series.thank u for these stories
LOVED the video !!!! the Comanche are NEVER given the proper attention----the SIOUX get so much because of the Custer thing
This is back a few generations in my family tree, my grandma used to tell us the story of her great great aunt who was Quanah Parkers mother.
Great true story, "Follow the River". 2 woman abducted and their escape. George Washington interviewed them to learn about the Ohio river valley area which was pretty much unexplored at that time.
Great book !💖!💖!💖! Didn't know there was a video!
Yes, I have that movie & watched it with my grandkids. *my grandson, when the Betsy character was sold to another tribe as a slave said"well that's what she earned herself for being a whiney little besch of a coward. The women who got away had courage & that earned them respect." Out of the mouths of babes...
I hope you informed your grandson that no woman should ever be sold into slavery, regardless of his opinion of her character. Make that no human should ever be treated that way by another human for any reason.@@wrennspencer6070
I enjoyed this very much and will try and find Rachel's book, I am Captive. Thank you.
Excellent story telling. Would love to hear more on the captivity. Read the book on Quanah Parker. Also Black Elk Speaks. Enjoyed them both.
I love black elk speaks. The story of high horse and red deer courting the girl is one of my favorite Native American stories.
Those people were so strong and courageous. Today we people have no idea how hard life was.
not as hard as it was for the people here, you know, the natives?
We are lugs, compared to this older way of life! Such courage!
Sorry, supposed to be slugs!
@@MrDannyHeim You mean the ones busily killing each other before the white man showed up?
I mean, by all means, volunteer to live like that.
Been sharing some of these stories with my younger kids. They are uncomfortable with them, as they are taught in the Canadian school system that Indians are victims, did always good, and only white folks committed crimes. I appreciate the more balanced perspective from this channel, very much. Thank you.
It's ridiculously unbalanced here. It encourages the natives to lie on their backs like turtles, refusing to make any efforts to improve their lives. All they do is whine & demand more reparations. 👎🏻
Yes I am Texan. My grandson was out in California in the school system and took issue with me being Texan...he said he had learned in school we murdered the Indians with relish and were evil people. I was astounded....in public school? It was the 90's...he is an adult now in the military and I imagine that early indoctrination stuck.
I understand the rage and hatred of the Indians towards the intruders.
But Indians weren't saints either, they constantly fought with each other for the land, women, or just because.
And the Comanche sounds like the most brutal tribe ever, a bunch of maniacs hungry for blood and suffering...
I also am in favour of a more balanced perspective, but the Indians were still victims of genocide. You just can't gloss over that.
@latinaalma1947 It is history. How is that indoctrination? It happened, and that was bad. Children should learn about history, whether good or bad.
In German schools, children learn ALL about WW2. You just can't leave the bad things out.
Fascinating story, masterfully presented! Thank you!
this video got me to buy the rachel plummer narrative. Also u got a new sub.
Good on you. It is a good read. I should have linked it in the description but it is old enough that you can find it online for free. I bought the audiobook version. That isn’t bad either.
You might enjoy the autobiography of Olive Oatman too. The fact that her brother never stopped looking for her and the little sister gets me every time.
Fantastic storytelling and production value. subbed!
This gentleman is the best story teller ever! I love to listen to him.! 🇺🇸
Brilliant! Enjoyed this. Thanks for the books referral, will have to check if they are available here in the U.K. Have subscribed. 👍
Yes I would like to hear the story of Rachel as well. Thank you for giving these talks.
So amazing to hear about Cynthia Parker and her son Quanah. I lived in Quanah Tx as young girl for about 3 years. My father was one of the ministers in town. To hear about this intersection of lives who impact so many even today, was very interesting.
My Mom Jackie Kidd was raises in Quanah Texas. My grandma Ruby Parker Kidd was the great Niece of Cynthia Parker. My Grandpa JL Kidd built the wall around the city park in Quanah in the 1930's still there.
If I remember, her captivity was brutal. Poor woman.
Yes it was. I remember it very well. I was there.
Hi yi yi yi was too!
I was her infant son and yeah it sucked
Accidentally found your video. History has always been an interest of mine for as long as I can remember. My husband’s family had a picture of one of the families grandmother. The family story was she was an important female in (I think it was Cherokee??) an Indian tribe. She fell in love with one of the white men, married and had children - thus being my husband’s family history. The story was that the Indian tribe was angry she was with the white man. A group of Indian riders came to their cabin to get her back. She instructed her husband to not come out of the cabin for any reason. Apparently she knew what was coming. She refused to go with them so they cut half her ear off so all Indians will know she was white from that point on. This is told by my husband’s family, and after so many story telling I would assume it was right - all of their stories were told the same way. Interesting for sure. Appreciate your posts and you have a fan.
Thankyou so much 😊 I am new to the channel and I will definitely be looking forward to more.🏴
sorry for you
Each to there own
loved this video! and would like to learn more about rachel's life
Fascinating and tragic in equal measures . An interesting account very well told and presented .
...and still the "woke" refuse to recognize sports teams are named after Indians because of the Indian's ferocity.
The truth is sometimes just ugly . How cruel humans can be is just awful. How much that poor woman and her babies endured is a story that needs to be told.
What a strong woman she must have been. I am glad you are getting some of this history out in the open. Thank You.
"A Fate Worse than Death" by Gregory and Susan Michno is a catalog of documented Indian raids and captivity from 1830 to 1885. It is a great reference and foundation for captive history in the Old West.
And "Empire of the Summer Moon". Horrifying things that went on during the Indian wars and the author chose not to include some details because he thought they would be too much for readers.
Lesson learned:Don't imperialise
@@TerrariumDiscoveryGamingMoreA nonsense response.
@@dontrend5956 A perfectly reasonable response. Don't like torture? Well then, don't use scorched earth tactics and try to commit genocide.
@@TerrariumDiscoveryGamingMoreYou're applying today's standards to history. That doesn't work. And I'm guessing that you are enjoying the benefits that the people of those days made possible. Warfare is one thing. Torture is another.
I want to hear it all, even in code😁 thank you. It was excellent storytelling!
I just read "Empire Of The Summer Moon". Comanches were like the Hell's Angels of the plains they scared the living shit out of "everyone".
Good analogy. The Dakota were like the Nazis of the plains. Dominating or wiping out several other tribes from WI to ID an south to OK.
If I were to trade my scooter for a horse, go back and ride with a band, it would be the Cheyenne Dog Soldiers. Personal preference.
Except it's 2024, we're all creature comfort pussies and none of us would last a day riding with a 12 year old Mexican kid on a donkey...@@ole5539
You read the book, oh wow, about things that happened before two or three century's? Oh, that must be the reality and true, Luke.
Come on, this channel and you, is just one of many bs channels full of hate, and for people full of hate...
In the best scenario (for you), you're living in the past and hating the descendants of people from past.
You all know nothing about war and violence. I was in war (for my country and my family) and i can recognize that this is ONE-SIDED BS!
Wasn't it their land you mug?
Thanks for this video; it was very eye-opening and frightening. Also liked the fact that it was your voice and not some dubbed over computer voice.
too many people think the native americans were pure-minded, gentle, loving souls of the earth, and europeans showed up and butchered them. that's just not true. many tribes were awful, horrible, murderous people who tortured and raped their captives and their defeated enemies, killed their children, and all that....
how warlike people are depends largely on how much they HAVE to fight. the more you have to fight to survive, the more common and socially acceptable brutality becomes.
The comanche evolved into a war-like culture similar to the mongols after europeans introduced horses. They also stole old manuscripts from the spanish and learned how to hang to the side of the horse or even face backwards and shoot arrows while running away. Their hit and run tactics made them essentially invincible before USA post civil war.
Similar to the Fremen in Dune, if you couldn't keep up with the party (all on horseback) you die. Children who were old enough to ride and too young to fight or be a sex slave (ages 6-13) were assimilated into the tribe.
still doesnt compare to the evil of europeans.
And those things have never been done by any other race?...is happening now in the world but world is letting it.
Nice work, please keep sharing.
The mistake everyone makes about native Americans is that they are not one group of people. There were many different nations here. Some good and some bad.
There were no good ones, only ones clever enough to realize they were outmatched and play nice with the white men.
Different times and situations. If people come in and try to steal your land, you’d fight. It’s still going on in parts of the world. The degree of savagery is totally relevant to the time in history. Unfortunately for most indigenous people, the white man won by numbers and power.
@@BynggoBeing the first person on a continent does not grant you all the land in perpetuity. They did not 'own' the land in any real sense of the word.
@@ohsweetmystery Oh I understand that, but it is still an attitude from a different time. Very few place these days are ‘discovered’ by more improved versions of humans…in their minds anyway.
In recent times people migrate with permission to do so. You know: visa and passports are involved.
Europeans just marched in in and said pi$$ off you lot, this is ours now. They fought the natives over it, they fought the French over it, they fought the British over it, they fought Mexicans over it…good heavens, they fought each other over it.
Still do in some parts.
You know sort of like Europeans in modern times in the Middle East.
Those with better weappns and numbers usually win.@@Bynggo
Excellent video. My husband, Thomas Goodrich, wrote an interesting book called Scalp Dance: Indian Warfare on the High plains 1865-1879. He would have enjoyed your video. He passed away December 4, 2024. He was a great and true historian.
I am terribly sorry to hear of his passing. I love Scalp Dance and have recommended it to several people. I have been planning a series on the Sioux and I intend for it to be one of my bases for people. Goodrich captures of brutality of the frontier in a way most authors wouldn’t even approach. He was truly one of the greats. It means more than you know that you reached out. Thank you.
Fantastic narration. You have a new fan and subscriber. Thank you
Fascinating history. And very well told. Thank you. Keep on coming.
A great video, infomative and delivered without hype
I don’t know why I’ve never seen you before, but you have a new viewer. This is great.
Love hearing about history. There is always good and bad in every race and so many nuances that we do not understand. Different tribes, be it black, white, native American, etc have their own beliefs and ways. Thanks for this bit of history.
I wish we could say this type of brutality had ended - but all over the world, such violence and cruelty continues
When you have your land invaded and changed for ever you can understand the reaction from the indigenous peoples
I definitely would like to know a more detailed story about Rachel’s life. Thank you for this clear and to the point narration. I learned a lot from it.
I enjoyed this video very much. Perhaps you can do another about the massacre at Tome, NM by Comanches. It seems the Spanish settlements in the Rio Grande valley were subject to frequent Comanche raids. For some reason it appears a prominent citizen of the village of Tome became on speaking terms with a Comanche chief and his daughter became fast friends with the chief's son. The chief and Spaniard agreed that when the youngsters became old enough, they would be wed. The Comanches protected this village as a sign of friendship. When the time came, the chief visited the village looking for the daughter. The Spaniard lied and said she had died of smallpox. In short order, the chief found out the truth, and enraged, ordered the raid of Tome and the inhabitants massacred. The funny thing is sometimes I can find this story on the internet and sometimes not. Tal vez es solamente una leyenda.
She died in 1839, not 1939
Wait a second.... we never learn about this in school..... gasp!! Shocking.
You never spoke to your parents? They told me when I was growing up.
history books always glaze over personal fates and stick to broader topics
School isn't supposed to teach you everything. If your school didn't give you a basic understanding of the relationship between native American tribes and the USA, that's on them AND you for not pursuing it. Shocking, they didn't teach horrific stories to children. Absolute idiot.
this is only story of war that paint native Americans as bad! how would you feel if someone came in and moved in and took over your home area!? Natives were here and the "settlers" came and took over like it was "okay"... of course you are going to defend your homelands... The natives!!! keep learning it's all interesting!
It fell out of favor in the late 80’s maybe early 90’s. There’s at least two sides to every story and the truth is rarely all on one side.
My first piece ever of American history, so very well told, captivating presentation. Thank you👍🏼🦘🇦🇺
This is the first thing you've ever learned about American history?? Where do you live? 😮
It’s ironic to me that today many of the people who have deemed the Comanche to simply be a group of victims would have been hated by them for dishonoring their courage and would have been slaughtered by them if the Comanche thought it necessary.
Yes, if you've lived on your own land for hundreds of years, your history if there, your homes, your crops and Europeans come and think it's their right to take that land then I believe they had a right to defend their land and themselves.
@@SB-mm9zh The Europeans never ran anybody off of land until years after they were sick of being kidnapped, raped, mutilated and killed by Attackers from Outside of their small communities.
And besides... I thought that the Natives Didn't Believe In Possessions or the concept of Possessing Land...🤔
leftists' myriad contradictions are absurd.😂
The Comanche way of life was stealing horses, murdering anyone who got in their way, and enslaving and torturing captives of all ethnicities. Their barbarian ways were bound to conflict with those who chose lives based on building a productive society.
@@SB-mm9zhyou absolutely and complete misread what he wrote. Try again.
What about the Apache? That land was previously Apache land. Before Apache it was Navaho, Pueblo and Ute that conquered the land. Before the Navaho, Pueblo and Ute they conquered the Anasazi, Hokam and Mogolian. And before the Anasazi, Hokam and Mogollon it was occupied by Paleo-Indian cultures.
Calling out Europeans as being evil in some way is the history of the world. It has always conquer or be conquered.
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Terrifying. Absolutely terrifying..
Absolutely stunningly blunt, objective and historically accurate account of history that's been neglected, forgotten, downplayed, and just another giant footnote to the total lack of importance placed on always troubling facts in our or anyone else's history. This is an invaluable service this site and its narrator performs. As it jostles us free just "a little bit"from the morass of the white liberal guilt we've been sunk in for a century at least.
You do excellent work sir. You are appreciated 👏 ❤
Make no mistake…Everybody (no matter what side you are on) has blood on their hands and no one is “innocent”, except the childeren.
Of course people have blood on their hands, when they are perpetrators or co-conspirators of murder.
But how do you figure that they are guilty of the murderous crimes done by their ancestors, and they have not participated in that themselves?
And if that sharing of guilt is a thing, then why wouldn't children also share the guilt of their murderous ancestors?
Make no mistake?!
SMH... 19:24
It's interesting that since horses were not introduced to the America's until Spanish conquistadors brought them, this entire people's horse culture was contingent on prior conquest.
I had replied the same
The introduction of horses gave native major power dominance
Not contest
It’s amazing how quickly they mastered mounted battle too.
Moral of the story: Benjamin was a fucking hero. And Sylas as well.
I could have spent some more time on that aspect. I definitely didn’t do it justice. Benjamin obviously buys time leaving the fort and Silas stays in but so do a few other men. They knew they were going to die. A very chivalrous “down with the ship” kind of choice. People back then had experiences that make me very grateful to live today.
@@datesanddeadguys Join a JSOC unit, you can experience that kind of stuff yourself! 🇺🇸😎👍
As a kid I had to be a commanche or Apache.
*bloody
Or a arsehole who got his ?
Cynthia was my direct family. Thanks for sharing this.
I would like to hear more on this story,And if there are other testimonies from the settlers and Comanche that would be very good.
Cynthia Parker is another astonishing account,im curious about others
Yes, agreed. We want to hear the story of Cynthia.
@TP-ym1xe One thing I wish I could do more of is tell stories from the perspective of either side. It becomes difficult to do with groups like the Comanche. They didn’t record their history or write narratives about their side. The ones we do have tend to be watered down versions post-1880. People involved in the Indian wars were often reluctant to tell the whole story of what they were involved in. So for specific Comanche, I don’t love the sources I would have. Cynthia Ann is one where outside the Parker raid we don’t know too much about where she was until she is repatriated. That part of the story gets rather sad. She was fully integrated into the tribe and wanted nothing more than to return to the Comanche. Her Daughter, prairie flower was captured with her and if I remember correctly died, not too long later. Cynthia Ann herself would die before she even got a chance to be reunited with her surviving child, Quanah.
@@datesanddeadguys that i didnt know,Cynthia never got to see Quanah again,Combine that with being taken out of Comanche life,She must have been miserable
@getoffenit7827 It is incredibly sad. At the end she would just sort of wonder west until people brought her home, she would slash herself (a common Native American grieving act), and I can’t recall if she died from this but for a time she starved herself.
Obvious error at 18:32, stating Rachel Plummer died in 1939, instead of 1839. Doesn't diminish the quality of the video and anybody with an IQ over 75 could use simple reasoning to know that 1939 was impossible, but I'm sure the creators would like to fix the error all the same.
The Comanche sound like brilliant strategists to me.
Incredible but limited. I try to emphasize it more in the video on the Elm Creek Raid but their adherence to custom made it so they could do far less damage. They had a small population (20k at max. Only 7-8k warriors). A perfect raid happened when they could get in and out without taking a loss. Losses were devestating. So if anything went wrong they were very quick to abandon attacks. But when things went right, like at the Parker fort, it was absolute destruction.
@@datesanddeadguys Looking forward to more of your posts; very educational. If I may: What’s coming down the pike?
Too many projects for what I can actually manage. In the short term (2 months… I hope) I have two more Donner Party videos and one a woman captured by the Lakota named Fanny Kelly. The hard work of research and writing is done on all of them. Just have to refine, film, and edit. After that I am debating a few projects. I have had my eyes on uncontacted tribes of the Amazon for a while. Why they are uncontacted is pretty dark. And depending on if the Lakota video hits or not I may consider a series on them or move on to another one the Aztecs. I have a lot of unused notes on both.
I really like the name of your channel. Simple phrase that says it all.
Great narration. A common issue I’ve seen in my reading of European expansion is that anglos tend to lump the various indigenous nations & tribes together. There were about 500 distinct nations comprised of thousands of tribal groups, & different practices & behaviors that evolved from their myriad experiences. At one point pre-colonial settlements had to enforce severe penalties on whites who ran off to live among the savages. Lewis & Clark documented tribes that were friendly, clean, & prosperous as well as some who were filthy & degenerate by our customs. Whites moving west were ignorant of the intertribal disputes & the outrages perpetrated by the Spanish for a couple hundred years prior. Tribes where property wasn’t recognized as personal were perceived as thieves when items were walked off with. Women in some tribes were veritable slaves & horses routinely brutalized. In others it would be the opposite. Anyhow, “the Indians” is so broad a term as to be ridiculous because of all the diversity across the continent.
Horses brutalized-- the horses on the Warm Springs Reservation on Central Oregon are still brutalized. The Natives call them"shitters" and treat them horribly.
“Diversity” 🤣 You know how Caucasians are lumped together and called “White People”? Yeah, Caucasians are diverse too but that word means “anyone that isn’t them”.
Europeans diversified America, before that it was just red skins everywhere.
All that being true, when the plains erupted, no Indian group refused to be a part of the slaughter.
Outstanding content. I would like to see a video on her 2 years of captivity. History needs told no matter how graphic IMHO
Great video. Wished you would have included something about the Texas response to the savagery which led to the formation of the Texas Rangers. But a great overall video and a part of history most don't know.
As an Australian, with little knowledge on these subjects, I'd love to hear the story of Rachel.
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