Except... He didn't... All he did was allowing Babington's letters through and let her incriminate herself. He didn't manufacture a thing. EVEN if he had written letters himself posing as Babington, SHE gave her support to the conspiracy.
@@someguitardude8462 i mean yeah, thats official narrative? Mary said she never did anything of the sort, and that walsingham forged all of the letters, including any she supposedly wrote herself. Now obviously I have no idea which case is true, I'm just pointing out his defense wasn't very convincing
Walsingham was played by Geoffrey Rush in the 1998 film Elizabeth. Great film, brutal character. Possibly has one of the most memorable introduction scenes I've ever seen.
Whenever I hear of stories like this, it makes me wonder just why so many people see appeal in holding power. It just seems like they set themselves up for a life of constantly looking over their shoulder and never being able to fully trust anybody else 😟
If you were born in certain families, you could not refuse to participate. Even if Mary had been unwilling to play politics, she could be used as a tool for someone else's power plays. And remember that power brings some perks, which were specially important in a time when many people were just a bad harvest short of being undernourished.
@@BaconHer0 if you lived in an anarchic commune, you'd have communists accuse you of being a Trotskyst and a traitor, destroy your communes, and execute farmers as "bourgeois", happened in USSR, Cuba, Spain and everywhere else.)))
Peter Hopkirk writes some good bookd about the lesser-known bits, like the Great Game / Большоя Игра era of espionage in unmapped central Asia, and the sadly badly documented Pundits, who were by all accounts incredible individuals.
She wouldn't have been there is she wasn't involved in plots already. She was originally under "royal" house arrest and got to keep her maids and servents
Mary could just have had an easy life living under house arrest in as castle, and given up on politics when she fled Scotland for the safely of England. But no, instead she chose to press her claim to the English throne and replace Queen Elizabeth. But when you play the Game of Thrones, you Win or you Die.
Throckmorton’s sign is a slang term in radiology where the outline of the penis in an x-ray points towards an injury related to hairline fractures or the like
It's pronounced with the 'h' given the same weight as everything else in South East UK but every English dialect will vary so there is no "correct" way.
Anyone else feel like the tone was off for telling the story of a man who was basically an Inquisitor? Dude was capable, no doubt, but seemed like he set up a lot of pretty sketchy precedents.
Extra history has basically the same “boys’ own” style tone of “look at this badass” for a lot of their biographical stuff and that disconnect you mention is frequent and unsettling
"and now BBC radio presents 'The Death of Mary, Queen of Scots'. 'are you Mary, Queen of Scots?' -I am. AAHCH! " This has been 'The death of Mary, Queen of Scots'"
"What's this? A traitor to the crown who's working to free Mary Queen of Scots and coordinate a Franco-Hispanian invasion of the Kingdom of England?" * notices his skateboard * "FRANCIS THROCKMORTON the traitor to the crown who's working to free Mary Queen of Scots and coordinate a Franco-Hispanian invasion of the Kingdom of England!?!"
i can't stop imagining walsinghams 'm', providing him with 'not even steam yet, let alone punk' level gadgets... pulleys, levers, counterweights, hand crafted wooden worm gears'n such...
I remember learning about this whole operation at school, including how Walsingham was able to crack he code, which was a substitution code known to catholics at the time.
I had heard of john Dee, who was the inspiration to 007, the 00 meaning the eyes of the queen, and the seven was a personal symbol. (Someone please fact check me, I dont know how reliable my source was.)
"Francis Walsingham has already breached our defenses....... you see what he has done to our colleagues...... and worse of all, he could be any one of us........"
I studied Elizabeth I at A-Level and always thought Walsingham was a badass, thankfully the Cate Blanchett movie gave him justice by casting Geoffrey Rush as him
I don't know the history well enough to make any accusations, but given how often modern courts can misfire, the idea that he could have forged the evidence sounds like it's within the realm of possibility to me.
I can't help but notice that Walsingham's rebuttal to the accusations that he had manufactured the evidence basically ammounts to "nuh uh"
He clearly entraped her, but he didn't manufactor the key evidence- she really did give the order to assassinate Queen Elizabeth.
@@mankytoes Agreed why lie. When you can tell the truth.
Except... He didn't... All he did was allowing Babington's letters through and let her incriminate herself. He didn't manufacture a thing. EVEN if he had written letters himself posing as Babington, SHE gave her support to the conspiracy.
@@someguitardude8462 i mean yeah, thats official narrative? Mary said she never did anything of the sort, and that walsingham forged all of the letters, including any she supposedly wrote herself.
Now obviously I have no idea which case is true, I'm just pointing out his defense wasn't very convincing
An Englishman engaging in ungentlemanly warfare? Unthinkable!
"There tends to be a close association in people's minds between England and Espionage."
Sid Meier's Civilization 5 would agree.
And between Ghandi and Nuclear Hellfire
@@weldonwin lol
Yet in civ6, France are the ones geared more to spies🤔
@@berry1666 Ohe, partisans!
And Red Alert 2
The theory of everything
"It was Walpole"
As proven in this episode when he watched the meeting between Walsingham and the Spy and some strange Italian bloke.
@qaze you called?
3:39
He's right there!
@@toddhughes2859 Ezio too!
Francis Bacon, Francis Drake, Francis Walsingham: if you want to be a badass in England in XVI and XVII centuries you should not name yourself Edmund.
Or announce "I have a cunning plan"
Or have a servant obsessed with turnips
@@matthewwallack601 turnips shaped like a thingy XD
Kinda ironic considering our rivalry with France
Walsingham was played by Geoffrey Rush in the 1998 film Elizabeth. Great film, brutal character. Possibly has one of the most memorable introduction scenes I've ever seen.
“Who are you?”
“It’s Walsingham, Francis Walsingham”
*Francis walks across the screen holding a candle and spins and throws a dagger
@@darter9000 ...Moore and Connery gone... :-(
...who should play him in the movie...? ;-)
"Dost thou expect that I talk?"
"Nay, I expect that thou dyest!"
Speaking of spies, you'll should do something on John Dee and the origin of 007. Wizards in history 😁
Blazing lute theme plays
Walsingham sounds like a real life blend of Blackadder and Bond.
...propably because he was...? ;-)
Walsingham... Francis Walsingham... and I have a cunning plan...
And what could be better for the legend of both
Johnny English!!!
Soooo... Johnny English?
Whenever I hear of stories like this, it makes me wonder just why so many people see appeal in holding power. It just seems like they set themselves up for a life of constantly looking over their shoulder and never being able to fully trust anybody else 😟
If you were born in certain families, you could not refuse to participate. Even if Mary had been unwilling to play politics, she could be used as a tool for someone else's power plays. And remember that power brings some perks, which were specially important in a time when many people were just a bad harvest short of being undernourished.
Beats being a peasant.
@@Ethan-cz8xq Not if you live in an anarcho-syndicalist commune
@@BaconHer0 if you lived in an anarchic commune, you'd have communists accuse you of being a Trotskyst and a traitor, destroy your communes, and execute farmers as "bourgeois", happened in USSR, Cuba, Spain and everywhere else.)))
@@KasumiRINA Wow, I guess you're one of those people who have never seen Monty Python's Holy Grail
I now want to know more about the development of English espionage
Peter Hopkirk writes some good bookd about the lesser-known bits, like the Great Game / Большоя Игра era of espionage in unmapped central Asia, and the sadly badly documented Pundits, who were by all accounts incredible individuals.
But can you really blame Mary for latching onto a plot to get her out of her solitary confinement after 18 years?
She wouldn't have been there is she wasn't involved in plots already. She was originally under "royal" house arrest and got to keep her maids and servents
This was Plot no.3
Like they said, the hard part was convincing the Queen to sign the death warrant.
She was constantly plotting against her own nobles and the English Queen of who she was a guest. She lost her head for a good reason.
Mary could just have had an easy life living under house arrest in as castle, and given up on politics when she fled Scotland for the safely of England.
But no, instead she chose to press her claim to the English throne and replace Queen Elizabeth. But when you play the Game of Thrones, you Win or you Die.
@@dromankass8655 couldn't disagree
I love that someone had the balls to name their kid Throckmortan
I see what you did there ;-)
@@benjaminvonstein I don’t; would you please clarify the joke I accidentally made?
Throckmorton’s sign is a slang term in radiology where the outline of the penis in an x-ray points towards an injury related to hairline fractures or the like
@@LegendWeaver25 Thank you for this beautiful fact!
Whoever narrates these videos you are really good at narrating. The art style of these videos is pretty cool.
3:38 Gentlemen, there is a red spy in the base!
A red spy is in the base!?
_Protect the briefcase!_
We need to protect the briefcase!
We'lp Right behind you!? DUN DUN DUN DUN DUDUDUDUDUN
@@faceoctopus4571 Yo can i get some help over here? Stand back son 1 1 1 uhh... 1! INCOMING!
AHHHH- ay it’s still here!
@@artition735 *Ahem* Gentlemen.
*Gain a skill 3 spy master: ,This advisor is 50% cheaper for you to employ*
Might be... but leinster inherited all of burgundy...
Pootis
Pootis
Pootis.
Pootis 2
I want to see Walsingham in a movie played by Rowan Atkinson.
Best possible choice
He's been played by Geoffrey Rush (Barbossa) in Elizabeth The Golden Age which is fantastic I must say
Man, Donizetti chose the wrong person to write an opera about.
What the hell
I dunno. People might get tired of hearing all the words you can rhyme with "Walsingham."
3:38 that very picture will be forever in my head, alongside everygood moment of my life. thank you :D
Henry VIII died in 1547, it was Edward VI who died in 1553.
correct
*happy face while party music plays*
Poor Edward, so easily overlooked in the looming shadow of his father and half-sisters.
@@ernestvanophuizen461 Being ill and having a regency does that to a monarch.
Don't expect very much from someone who put an _F_ on *Bletchley Park.*
I think a video series on Elizabeth I's life would be a great idea. It's really interesting.
His queen had 14 asassination attempts on her life - so as she survived all, he desurves all the credit.
Fidel Castro: "...hold my cigar...!" 😉😁☠
At my states Renaissance fair I played Miss Frances Walsingham, his daughter. The actor who played the spy master gave me a rock.
Finally got Extra Credits to say "perfidious Albion"
Century-old spy networks feel like something out of Assassins Creed
the real life Order of Assassins only lasted from 1090 to 1275
"I spare no expense"
Here, buy yourself some talent.
You’re deadly skill is jogging? Mine is murdering
Well off to visit your mother!
@@red-2895 This es Scout! Rainbows Make Me Cry! Over!
I have exquisite tastes
Bruford and Tarkus, Most Loyal Knights of Mary, Queen of Scots: *Sad Fictitious Noises*
The H in Walsingham is silent.
It's "Stafford-sher" not "Stafford-shayer".
It’s pronounced walsingem right?
It's pronounced with the 'h' given the same weight as everything else in South East UK but every English dialect will vary so there is no "correct" way.
Don't expect very much from someone who put an *F* on *Bletchley Park.*
When you say Walsingham you don’t say HAM at the end it’s more of a Walsing-hm
He mispronounced Staffordshire too.
Yeah
Don't expect very much from someone who put an F on Bletchley Park.
Anyone else feel like the tone was off for telling the story of a man who was basically an Inquisitor? Dude was capable, no doubt, but seemed like he set up a lot of pretty sketchy precedents.
Extra history has basically the same “boys’ own” style tone of “look at this badass” for a lot of their biographical stuff and that disconnect you mention is frequent and unsettling
I see the TF2 Spy, Eizo, and Walpole.....Oh yeah, this is going to be good.
5:38 *multiple snorts* *"EXCELLENT!"*
"and now BBC radio presents 'The Death of Mary, Queen of Scots'.
'are you Mary, Queen of Scots?'
-I am. AAHCH!
" This has been 'The death of Mary, Queen of Scots'"
TF2 Spy is now cannon in Extra History
"What's this? A traitor to the crown who's working to free Mary Queen of Scots and coordinate a Franco-Hispanian invasion of the Kingdom of England?"
* notices his skateboard *
"FRANCIS THROCKMORTON the traitor to the crown who's working to free Mary Queen of Scots and coordinate a Franco-Hispanian invasion of the Kingdom of England!?!"
3:40 so you're telling me tf2 and assassins creed are historically accurate
Assassin's Creed is somewhat historically accurate as the Order of Assassins was a real thing
@@chancelloryusuf yes but they were destroyed by the mongol empire
Is it not obvious!?
I love that they put the TF2 spy into the thumbnail.
I am a simple man. I see Ezio, I click.
same here.
RED SPY IS IN THE BASE
I just saw the red spy
da vinky?
We'll i see spy I click too
i can't stop imagining walsinghams 'm', providing him with 'not even steam yet, let alone punk' level gadgets... pulleys, levers, counterweights, hand crafted wooden worm gears'n such...
This video would've helped me in my history exams sooooooooo much 1 and a half years ago :( because part of my course was on Elizabeth and his era.
The way Americans say Staffordshire always makes me wince.
Me too and I'm an American.
I just finished A Column of Fire so this fits perfectly for me
When I saw the thumbnail I actually screamed "SPY!"
THAT ENGLISHMAN IS A SPY
been here right after the movie Elizabeth. He deserves the credits!
I guess it's fitting that I've never heard of this man, despite him being such a fascinating story.
Not a very good secret agent if he is renowned and famous😅😅
He wasn’t a secret agent. He was one of the most important members of Elizabeth’s court. He was overseeing operations.
I remember learning about this whole operation at school, including how Walsingham was able to crack he code, which was a substitution code known to catholics at the time.
Why did I read the title as: “Francis Walshingham - Elizabethan Simpmaster”?
3:40 I honestly love the TF2 spy reference
That Walpole is a spy!
I am most certainly not
WE NEED TO PROTECT THE BRIEFCASE
2:01 Isn't this cod piece a bit small for Henry VIII?
3:36 Walpole is here
He always was.
THERE IS A RED SPY IN THE BASE!!!!
Thank you for noticing me
I remember this from history.
It was very interesting
This is what I have to study for my GCSEs thank you so much
Just don't really on Extra History for dates.
I am a simple fish.
I see spy TF2, I click.
"if she can't plot against the queen, I will put her in condition to do so so I can kill her"
the absolute state
I had heard of john Dee, who was the inspiration to 007, the 00 meaning the eyes of the queen, and the seven was a personal symbol.
(Someone please fact check me, I dont know how reliable my source was.)
Fantastic video! One of the last papers I wrote in grad school was about the Babington plot.
"Francis Walsingham has already breached our defenses....... you see what he has done to our colleagues...... and worse of all, he could be any one of us........"
The names Walsingham, Francis Walsingham
Tavern master, gin shaken, mix with olives (i know, cocktail doesn't exist)
Walsingham, Assassin's Creed, TF2,and Walpole is a sitcom I''d watch
I love how you included spy in the thumbnail!
The greatest compliment for a spymaster is that his enemies should have never heard of him
Is Ezio Auditore da Firenze an assassin in the tubnail?
As a spy main, I am very delighted of your thumbnail, happy holidays
The artists must have had a blast working on this vid. :)
Me when I see the cover image: "We got a red spy!"
That thumbnail is amazing with the Spy from Team Fortress 2
Love the spy in the thumbnail.
I studied Elizabeth I at A-Level and always thought Walsingham was a badass, thankfully the Cate Blanchett movie gave him justice by casting Geoffrey Rush as him
3:38. That is definitely Ezio Auditore in the middle right.
I suddenly have a much greater interest in spy plots than I did before watching this video.
Good to see proto George Smiley.
1:19 nice Spy vs Spy reference
Clicked on the video because of the Spy from Team Fortress 2
Spy Crab...is Life
Now I know why civ 5 england has extra spies
So the spy from tf2 is canon in the lore of earth, awesome.
Very good TF2 reference. Also very good video in general.
The way you say Staffordshire and Walsingham is so jarring
bro my man getting information from the spy from tf2
It’s the spy from the team defense fort 2!
Great video! (Though Mary Queen of Scots wasn’t a former queen, per se. She was a queen regnant.)
Spy from Tf2, has made a special guest appearance on the thumbnail.
I mean, Walsingham did forge the letters (in a way). Mary was kept in a tortured state throughout.
I love how the spy🔪 was on the thumbnail
I see that what you did there in the thumbnail
Philip being relieved the spymaster is dead.
Me who has watched spy movies: Clasicccc!!!!!! LMAO
Why haven't any movie studio done this guy, i feel like its the beginning prequel of bond, like what they done for Kings man
The Elizabeth films with Cate Blanchett portray him pretty well. He's played by Geoffrey Rush.
HEY GUYS ITS THE SPY FROM TF2!
OMG! (IM NOT THE SAME PERSON
Huh. Here I was thinking that France was well known for its spies, thanks to Civ 6 and Tf2 for their French interpretations!
I don't know the history well enough to make any accusations, but given how often modern courts can misfire, the idea that he could have forged the evidence sounds like it's within the realm of possibility to me.
Francis Throckmorten?!? As in my cousin from those weird math problems?!?
I NEED more of this!
Your Queen of Scots is in another castle, Mario!
i love how the thumbnail is a tf2 refrence
3:41 DEN DEN DENAAAAA(low pitch) DEN DEN DENAAAAA(high pitch) DENENENA (tf2 pitch)
Last time I was this early Walpole was still innocent
This gave me an idea, The Culper Spy Ring
Francis never died, he used his Dead Ringer and went to France
Lol tf2
Who else is here just because you saw the spy from team fortress 2