The Hidden and Overt Lovecraft in 40k - Pt1- Beyond 40k
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- The universe of Warhammer 40k takes inspiration from A number of different sources. One of these is the fantastical universe of Lovecraftian Horror. Many of the themes, direct references and hidden gems have had A massive affect on the lore of 40k. This is the beginning of a brief look into those inspirations, and how they are presented in the Lore.
00:00 Introduction
02:00 Lovecraft and Warhammer
04:11 Fear of The Unknown
11:40 Knowledge and Madness
21:32 Nyarlarthotep
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Hello all, I hope everyone previously had a nice Easter! Last time I posted was at about about 800 subs and now to be over 1,000 had been a true blessing. A massive thank you to my first Thousand Sons I can believe you have tolerated my enough to get me to this point so thank you so much! To hopefully my next thousand I hope to make stuff that will make you want to stick around and see what I have in store. For these Beyond 40k videos they will be an infrequent thing, but I hopefully will find some interesting topics that surround or influence the awesome grimdark future. COMMING SOON - UNDERSTANDING MEPHISTON!
Everytime I get an update that you have updated a video it makes my day. I really like your work. Keep it coming. And I'll keep watching
Appreciate it brother!
For your 1000 sub special you should do a video on the Thousand Sons
@@BearCavalryWasTaken I second this
FUCK YES, MEPHISTON, can't wait to learn about the Blood Angel who came back from the black rage
Tyranid fleet as big as galaxy. Daemon create super invasion with massive portal they made. Endless ork war
Just another tuesday.
Thanks for combining two of my favourite mythologies.
No doubt! Bravo Amber King!
When you think about it, the chaos daemons, the chaos gods, the C’tan, the Genestealer Cults, and the Tyranid Hive Mind all just scream Lovecraftian horror. I believe HP Lovecraft would find the lore of Warhammer 40,000 a little interesting. Awesome video! Looking forward to Part 2 of this topic!
Plus HP'd be 100% behind the Imperium's xenophobia - although he might not be too keen on the fact that Black folk count as real life people! 😁
Without a doubt lovecraft would relish in the lore of 40k. Unknowable gods, great mysteries beneath our feet, darkness in the corners of control, and racism on a galactic level!
Subscribed, this is some Leutin-level production quality.
40k, Lovecraft and SCP fans create some of the most awesome content on this platform. So tie them together in one person and you're going to get awesome squared! 😁
The Chaos Gods similarity to the Great Old Ones is what got me into 40k all those years ago glad I wasn’t the only Lovecraft fan that came into 40k this way, it’s also the reason why I’ve always loved the Chaos Legions so much.
I’m a big 40k fan but new to the Love Craft stuff so thanks for expanding my horizons. Thanks for another great video.
You really should look into the TH-cam channel HorrorBabble, they do excellent narrations of Lovecraft's works and have a wide variety of them available to listen to for free. Anyone who considers themselves a fan of 40k should read at least most of Lovecraft's works to see the stuff that inspired the Warp and Chaos. It is rather profound.
Go to the Horrorbabble channel here on TH-cam for excellent H.P. Lovecraft stuff! His voice and delivery are awesome! You'll be glad!
Lovecraft is honestly the original master of cosmic horror. The horror of his work is in the insignificance of human existence, much like 40k. Highly recommend, and yes, Horror Babble does excellent Lovecraft narrations.
Lovecraft. No wiser man and better writer has the US ever managed to spawn again, for his vision saw dark truths and cosmic vistas beyond the grasp of most souls.
Damn, I cannot believe a 40k channel like this exists. I’ve just subbed.
try out oculus imperia and Baldemort
And lueton
As a huge fan of both Lovecraft and 40k I most definitely saw Lovecraft's influences in 40k along time ago. Dan Abnett has been especially influenced by him and Robert Chambers The King in Yellow. The short story of Eisenhorn A Crown For Black Cloth Additional being obvious. And all out naming the Big Bad of the Beta Bequin books The King in Yellow too. Also, much of the fluff of the Fantasy Flight TTRPGs such as Dark Heresy and Rogue Trader. The Halo Devices, The Menagerie, The Tyrant Star and the whole of the Haarlock campaign are incredibly Lovecraftian.
Tyranid gene steelers and their cults, very big draw from the cult of Dagon from insmoth.
And just the tyranids in general as a faction draw heavy inspiration from lovecraftian horror in design and in tactics for some of the specialists units
Have you seen Bruva Alfabusa's Halloween episode about a genestealer cult, "The Shadow Over Immateriums"? If not I think you would like it ;)
Well done, again, on this "Beyond 40K" video.
Warhammer is a rare goldmine of history, folk and myth, literature and genres; so unlike any other sci-fi/fantasy IP.
I look forward to your next endeavors.
Stellar video, really looking forward to more. The Nyarlathotep\Tzeentch connection is one I've always felt was the case, good to see someone else key into it.
Oh yeah big time and if you want to connect it to real life he'd be either Loki or Odin
Khorne and Crom are meant to be the same being.
Heresy time : Nyatlathotep is the true name of the Emperor; the first and greatest human champion of Tzeentch. The once-man that tricked and ate the souls of most the perpetual shamans. He seeks to awaken Azathoth, the sum potential of chaos, and flee to safety within the transcendent dimensions of Yog-Sothoth, the WebWay.
@@warlordjr.jr. nah, Tzeentch is a mask of Nyarlathotep, the Emperors true name is Kathalos (Skull face by R.E. Howard)
@@thewildcardperson loki nor odin are real. Lmaoo
This is great Cosmic Horror and Warhammer 40K/AoS are 2 of my favorite things. Please more Cosmic Horror videos like this! So hard to find good videos that cover these topics.
The Imperial Palace on holy Terra has an area called the Hall of Leng located somewhere around what used to be Kathmandu. It was once the residence of the Emperor where he would measure the angles of Space and Time. Doesn't get much more overt than that.
NGL i dont usually expect mah boi Nyarlathotep in a lot of Lovecraftian videos. So when i saw this video having a segment dedicated to him, i was like, "f**k yeah, may the madness ensue"
I’m currently smoking combat stims out of an old ork bone, good shit.
Great video man! My favourite parallel between the universe of HPL and 40k has to be the unknowable, mind-breaking vastness of things. The sheer scale, be it lives lost in planet-destroying wars that rage for multiple generations, or the horrifically-immeasurable cosmic God’s, of whom function oftentimes in the grey area of morality (our worthless human idea of good and evil) when not pure evil incarnate.
Holy crap I love this. Just found the channel and I gotta say the sound (the music and voices) is absolutely top tier
I could listen to this for hours on end
Appreciate it brother!
I have to say, you're storytelling is right on par with Baldermort. Different style but just as good.
Thank you very! I’m a huge Baldermort fan so I would love to have content just as good as his one day
Im a big 40k fan and i have a theory that the "grimdark" 40k style is just Lovecraftian ideas reworked with Masonic symbolism. Its losing that edge in ways but the 3rd edition i started playing pretty much outlined that EVERYTHING is doomed, all these amazing empires were either slowly decaying or are falling to madness (by the power of the dark gods). Glad to see im not the only one thinking it and i look forward to part 2 :)
fantastic writing and subject matter!
Just found this channel through the blackheart video and I gotta say your content is great. Very easy to play during the more tedious parts of work. Im glad I found your channel and hope it will soon get the attention it deserves
What blackheart video? Could you give a link, please? Thanks in advance!
Powerful stuff. I really enjoyed the overall atmosphere and the pacing. That opening credit bit is incredibly well done and your overall production value is top notch. Definitely worth a follow.
Just fantastic. Can’t wait for part 2.
Another great video. So full of content and extremely interesting. Brilliant, and congratulations on breaking 1000 subs, it is well deserved.
Glad that i found your channel, really enjoy your calm and relaxing way of talking.
Thank you very much!
This is awesome! Thank you so much for bringing this to light.
Dude, good production value! Audio is clean too, good visuals, you did good man. Glad I stumbled across this channel at 3am...
I'm watching this again with part 2, I somehow enjoy it even more.
You do not disappoint, been looking forward for your next vid, well done worth the wait, keep up the good work 👍👏
I really, really like how you explain both settings to the listener. I love both settings and admit that I really never saw the influence of Lovecraft in the Warhammer universe. You provided great examples of of both settings and how they correlate together. Great job.
The only nitpicking thing I would say is that the warp does not have only four gods. It is just those four have the greatest power. The lore talks about other lesser gods representing other emotions of aspects like malice.
You are absolutely right, just stuck to the main 4 as this is more of a branching for those who like Lovecraft into 40k. The topic of all chaos corruption and the lesser gods will be my next video!
I love how Peter Fehervari's dark coil is very lovecraftian.
Fukin love this channel, keep up with the great videos.
What an absolute gem of a video, you deserve more subs XD
Another excellent video mate, can wait for part 2. Really cool outro animation btw
Dude the quality is beyond this world! Im speechless you are a legend in storytelling. I would love to see more Lovecraft content from you.
Not only great content to focus on, but fantastic delivery. I particularly like the interludes in between the main narration. And now I know how to pronounce Nyarlathotep.
The ambience of this video was great, really was awesome to listen too as well as being very relaxing.
Thank you!
A mix of two of my favorite things in all fiction. THANK YOU! awesome video
Great work bud, I love your videos. Thank you for sharing.
Have not watched this yet but I am already giving it a like because I love 40k lore and Lovecraftian horror. Love the content on this channel!
The haunter of the dark, my favourite HP Lovecraft story, instant subscriber :)
First time finding your channel. I must say you have done an excellent job. Combining two of my favorite works and showing the influence of Lovecraft's universe on the Warhammer universes. I believe it influences both since both have the elements of chaos present. I'm going to listen to part 2 now. Have a beautiful day.
Wow, thank you!
This is a great topic and video. I would love to keep seeing more! I’ve always been interested in making some Warhammer content and this is right up my alley.
This was honestly one of the best TH-cam videos I have ever seen.
Superb soundtrack. Smooth, easily understood narration. Absolutely gripping content.
Please keep this up, and let us know if you have a Paypal we can contribute to.
Thank you very much brother! I do not currently have a Patreon/ Pay Pal, I make theses videos as well as having a job so if I made the move to full time then I would consider it.
@@TheAmberKing Please forgive me, but I don't think that's really the issue.
Think of it like busking. Every so often you come across someone who you absolutely have to show some kind of montary appreciation for. And it doesn't matter how much money they make or currently have.
It's not about you needing it, it's about me wanting to buy you a pint for such a brilliant video.
Sorry if that seems a bit intense, just food for thought I suppose.
This is an excellent new(ish) 40k channel The Amber King. Really impressed! Hope it blows up soon!
love your vids man =D keep it up!
"The difference between gods and daemons largely depends upon where one is standing at the time."
- Lorgar, Primarch of the Word Bearers
Super awesome stuff 🤙🏼🤙🏼
Great video! Sub'd. Now I have to watch through your library... Can't wait 😁
My God ur editing on the intro is phenomenal great work my friend
Getting some Bloodborne vibes with that chapel art.
Which is also stellar Lovecraftian content.
Anyways, excellent narration. You're getting a sub.
I love listening to your videos before bed
As a fan of both Lovecraft and the 40K verse, this was Amazing. Though others have spoken of the connection, this is by far the most in depth analysis. Well done and Thank You for the hard work and Tremendous content.
Nicely and read with great atmosphere!
Important correction:
Lovecraft's writtings were not "Gothic Sci-fi". They were cosmic horror, a genre which takes some inspiration from both, but is ultimately it's own genre that was heavily pioneered by Lovecraft.
Love your videos and stories please keep going.
Super good video 🤘
Found my next favorite WH TH-camr after Luetin! Great videos!
Awesome work. Subbed
I discovered your channel yesterday....this is like my 10th video, you're going to blow-up as fast as Baldermort or Oculus Imperialis!!!!
Very nice my friend. Funny, someone just briefly mentioned Lovecraft and 40k yesterday or the day before so the timing is impeccable.
As with everything I've seen from you so far this was of the highest quality and I look forward to seeing your channel grow. However, I would like to state that as an honest and righteous God Emperor fearing man I am not and have never been associated with the heretical fifteenth legion.
Gotta love anything Lovecraft related
Great vid!
I found your channel today. I’m glad I did.
From what i have heard the harrowing in the Ghoul stars was very Lovecraften, Something came in to our realty that was not of the warp, or real space in 32M, It destoryed humans and aliens alike, it killed 100s of worlds, and wiped 12 SM chapter's, In the end it took the use of forbidden weapons from the Dark age of Tech, and warp powers to hold it back, in the end Humanity won, but ever since then that area of space has never been right, And the inquisition wipped most of the info on it from records, it truly scared the Imp of man
I don't know why this was on my frontpage but *YES*
I often say 40k is kind of like Star Wars as written by H.P. Lovecraft.
I mean the Warp is just the force as written by Lovecraft when you think about it.
Finally listening to this, and loving it dearly! Wish you could have pulled in a Lurking Fear quote but that story has a lot fewer abstract passages like Call of Cthulhu. Still, great stuff!
I've always wondered what Lovecraft would think about 40k if he lived long enough to see it. I get the feeling he would be equally disgusted and proud
Looking forward to this one
Thanks for getting me into warhammer 40k with this video. I think ive a long way to go
Welcome brother, 40k is a rich a deep universe and it’s a rabbit hole 100% worth falling into.
I am really enjoying your work
Thank you man!
Late to the party with your channel but love your content.
Brilliant video and points, I'm a huge Warhammer and Lovecraft fan, glad to see a change to the new norm of calling H.P out on the 'extreme ideas'
You are criminally undersubscribed .
Lovecraft and 40k . Hand and glove! Without Lovecraft, our fave dystopia of constant war ,would not have been half as complex and fascinating.
40k "begins" in media res with The Emperor. we follow along ,changing perspective sometimes to view things as aliens view them, sometimes as the chaos devotees view them, but never as the denizens of the warp view them. Remarkable oversight! We are given hints ,tantalising crumbs , describing the indescribable.
Most of what we "know" is false. Most of what we hold sacred is a lie. It matters not! In 40k there is only war. War for survival, war for dominion ,war for war's sake.
Yes the creatures of the warp, when they deign to look upon us, are terrifying, yet their attention is ever inwards. For even there, in the endless sea of souls, there is only war. Everyone against everyone else, in a mad scramble without rime or reason.
Do the races of the galaxy war because the gods do, or the gods war because the races of the galaxy do? Maybe He on His golden throne has unraveled the mystery, but He is not talking.
He keeps His lips sealed. For if he were to open them.. His scream of anguish would shatter the galaxy.
He the liberator, the denier of gods, is worshipped as one! Worse one thousand humans are sacrificed per day, in His name.
SO, He keep silent . Even in the face of one of His primarchs returning He keeps silent. Respect His agony and leave Him be.
In the man time .we have a war to fight. No time for lolly gagging around. Does it matter who against? Does it really? No! There is only war!
Good video. Subbed.
This was a great video! Thought about this a bit more tonight.
I think the Lovecraftian angle describes well the horror of the fall to chaos and madness of individual humans in the 'modern' Imperium of 40k, with the overarching pantheon behind it all. The difference is that in Lovecraft's world, chaos is effectively winning: We see the individual narrative of discovering worlds already effectively lost to corruption without most people knowing. It is also a good take on the horror of the warp (see also the video on Event Horizon being like a prequel to the horrors of the warp - will add link below). However, Lovecraft has no organised fight against chaos of the Imperium, or the struggles of the other races. Certainly though, Warhammars rather strong 'brand' of chaos is built on these shoulders (although Warcraft also plays with it, especially the old ones themes, just not overtly because Warhammer is pretty keen on 'lawyers for the IP gods'.
(Worth also noting that Blizzard developed a surprisingly interesting meta-story from their cartoonish orcs vs humans beginning, with implacable ancient gods driving species between worlds, entire worlds as gods, etc. - not so well known given the normal encounter with WoW. Unfortunately, Blizzard seem to be approaching their own End Times)
Robert E Howard and the world of Conan are perhaps good analogies to the world during the Great Crusade of ~30k - Conan continually discovers new societies and cultures: each/many of which has their own unique dark problems, cults to eldrich gods: implacably ancient and unfathomable, the mere existence of which drives men mad. The difference again is that Conan is not driven on a quest to unite his world through conquest (he is more of a primarch figure, if primarchs moved around and rose to primacy in multiple societies, without a mystical daddy finding and uniting them all. Perhaps Conan's world is more akin to the Warhammer Fantasy setting, without quite as many overtly contrasting races playing centre stage (other races are decaying remnants of ancient times, or hidden mostly from view - back to chaos cults again).
Awesome, lore for the Lore God!
How do you have so little subs??! Good stuff mate.
Subbed. A cool discussion
Also, may I add, that The Deceiver also mirrors The crawling chaos as well, being a highly manipulative entity.
great vid
Love the video, the presentation and concepts! I find 40k and Lovecraft melds together exceptionally well. Text wall inbound, because I've had a looot of thoughts on the topic beforehand.
Fantasy Flight's 40k RPGs (Particularly Dark Heresy and its location, the Calixis Sector) is, at its core, very similar to Chaosium Inc.'s Call Of Cthulhu, being a d100 system with brutal combat and prioritising investigation, even incorporating a Fear/Sanity mechanic when facing more hideous entities. This certainly isn't coincidental, as various unknown entities are frequently alluded to, things like 'The King In Rags & Tatters' and 'The Beast of Solomon', which are left mysterious for Game Masters to make their own conclusions, but all carry an eldritch horror vibe. Heck, 'House Of Dust & Ash' even includes a rather familiar Silver Key as a trinket for an auction.
Unfortunately, I find most 40k lore doesn't really paint the Chaos Gods as vast unknowable entities - But, rather more as petty, petulant, squabbling warp-children with omnipotent powers (Even Tzeentch often preferring to solve problems by sheer brute force than anything resembling guile), but in that respect they cater to Azathoth's 'blind idiot god' motif, being vast entities of apocalyptic power, but an intellect below that of the average human. Which is fitting, given they're essentially incomplete consciousnesses, being merely an aspect of sentient thought, as unable to understand a human as humans are unable to understand them. Also, like Nyarlathotep, they often appear in lore under a variety of guises - I heard one instance where Khorne was worshipped as a great blacksmith spirit, perpetually toiling in a forge of brass, rather than a skull-hoarding armchair general with anger issues.
On the xeno side of things, eldar can be viewed as Lovecraftian from a certain angle, with bizarre, beautiful, illogical, long-empty cities that bring to mind the Great Race of Yith and the Elder Things. Even their behaviours are somewhat Lovecraftian, as they operate their schemes using extra-dimensional understanding of a situation, using divination to kill a future threat by killing its origin, which makes their behaviours seem alien or illogical if viewed without context. Then there's Necrons, in their ancient tomb-like empires slumbering under the surface, stirring in their dreams, one day rising to expunge the unaware human populace that infests their ancient realms - That's rather self-evident.
Mostly though, I'd say the Tyranids make the most Lovecraftian case - Aside from the incredibly Innsmouth-style Genestealer Cults, they consist of a vast, singular entity that has only begun drawing into the galaxy, a cosmic predator of unknown origin whose vast, teeming hordes are nothing but cells for its digestive process, its mind so vast and alien that it blots out the Warp itself. If Chaos gains ultimate victory, the galaxy lives on in eternal turmoil. If the Tyranids gain ultimate victory, there will be nothing left to indicate the galaxy every hosted life at all, all the struggle, pain and sacrifice of the setting's long history becoming meaningless and pointless. Which, I'd state as the grimdarkest ending. Also, I guess Lictors have straight-up cthulhu faces, but that's probably more a reference to mindflayers.
I think there is very little of Lovecraft in the original (proper) GW settings (i don't keep up with corporate GW product).
The entirety of Chaos in both Warhammers was lifted from Moorcock's writings.
Perfect.
More please!!!
This is very interesting
good one
Yeah I learned about the fan animation Astartes from the awesome yt Mr H but what made me invested into the lore of Warhammer 40k and its grimdarkness is that it gave me lovecraftian vibes (Edit also Beserk vibes bc of the Warp thing )
This a great video. I really enjoy the analysis you put into your videos. The space horror aspect is a big draw of WH40k for me.
2 spooky 4 me ! great video
The King has blessed us again
This seems like an awesome up-and-coming channel, props for the high production quality, great voice, engaging content. My only constructive advice would be that the intro seems unnecessarily long; the "loading" screen where nothing is happening lasts 40 seconds. Giving the content room to breathe is great, but almost a minute of dead air is pushing it a bit. Keep up the good work, I'm looking forward to seeing this channel develop!
Until you have courage to lose sight of the shore you will never know the terror of being forever lost as sea.
-Brandon Lesco
Did anyone ever said you got a Sean Bean drawl when you speak? cause I find it awesome.
Imagine walking home from work only to encounter fairies, but they aren’t the ones of songs and legends but are twisted monsters eating a mother and her child, imagine as you run away in pure primal fear trying to make sense of what you saw, chalking it up to either a prank or just your imagination, only to find the child’s blood splattered a cross your hands
Thumbnail game is on point!!!!
Tzeentch just being a mask of Nyarlathotep would make so much sense too 😂😂
Also remember Nihilakh seer head? Its probably one of the species actual Great Race of Yith used to live and their inhabitation of their bodies gave the poor bastards some clairvoyance and when they eventually left this ability caused Necrons to kill them all save one's head. Great way to put some actual Lovecraft species in the 40k
Badass!
That's always a good talking point