I have a theory, I do believe that Lucy is the child of Herb and Scarlet. And I think I might know who killed them both. Dr.Nefario. What if Dr.Nefario was killing a bunch of villains or former villians through the late 60's and 70's. He killed all of these villians to stop them from going to the moon before him. Or the minions could have been killing villians. In despicable me 3, the minions go to jail and pretty much own the damn jail the next day. It makes sense that the minions would have some criminal history if they could do that. Just a theory I thought of.
Well that's a good Theory but I feel like I am the only one who thought that Lucy was Scarlett or was like a ...... sister What if Lucy and Scarlett where sisters but as Lucy I think she was the favorite in the family so Scarlett got jelly but what if gru,s father killed the parents because there where villans before probably there parents worked with gru,s father or something and did something bad by doing something so thay left and disappear and change everything so years pass thay had children and settled down but when Lucy and Scarlett parents died i think scarlett did a plan to kill gru,s father to take revenge and to show her parents that she advenge them
@@aliceisaperson I said it was a Theory and it's my opinion so if u know what opinion means then yeah no offense but u should get ur fact first before u say kinda rude things and also waddls!
Lucy’s hair is red and ginger hair is known for skipping generations. If one of Scarlet’s or Herb’s parents had red hair it is very possible that they could a red haired daughter. Also Scarlet and Herb could have been killed by a villain who felt betrayed by their supposed joining of the AVL and decided to kill them for revenge. It would support the rumor that Lucy’s parents were killed by a villain. It could also explain why she joined the AVL. If her parents were well known agents and were killed when she was young she might have joined the agency in order to feel closer to them.
Well, I kinda disagree with Lucy joining the AVL to feel closer to her parents, this makes not sense since in the 3rd movie when they get kicked out she wants her jobs back but not as much, if it actually meant a lot for her then she would have tried a bit harder I guess.
Hi Theorizer, I don't usually do this but this theory is SO GOOD I had to join in. Dru said, " Their father was so proud of him." So he obviously knew of all of Gru's evil deeds. What if after discovering Dru was a let down Robert hired Dr. Nefario to raise Gru for him and inspire him to do all the evil deeds he wanted to do so if/when he died Robert had someone to continue his legacy.
ALSO! ( Sorry ) What if that is why his mother left. He didn't want Gru ( secretly his favorite son ) involved in crime. And that is why she is so hard on him ( like being impressed with his rocket but quickly ignoring it ) and why she's happy when he settles down, gives up villainy, and starts it a family. It also explains why she considers herself a great mother. But she is involved in villainy herself and can not just give up it.
@@coltonbosse58 - look to to bottom-right of your comment. There should be three dots placed together in a vertical fashion. Tap on those dots, and, you can figure it out from there, I'm sure.
That's true...their videos are very similar in style overall, the way they talk, the way they present theories and how they introduce new evidence. But matpat is overall perkier (effects, octave of voice) and the theorizer is darker (music, lower speaking voice)
Really enjoyed your theory on how Dr. Nefario and Gru met. Both were very ambitious and dedicated to villainy. AVL seems incompetent to me in a 'Mr. Bean' sort of way. Not intentional but clearly so.
How could Grus dad be dead !!! Because in despicable me 3 Gru’s twin brother says to gru that there father was proud of gru and wishes that gru was his son and the mother wishes the other twin was her child, each parent wants the opposite child. Do what you want with the theory 🤷🏾♂️???? I’m trying to say that there dad couldn’t be dead because how could he be proud of him when he was dead before he became gru !!!
RAMBO I’m assuming Gru’s Mom must know about his villainy, and doesn’t like it, but supports it, at least in the beginning, by taking him to villain con.
your nan I didn’t mean it has a theory i was only try to say that his father couldn’t have been dead because the other twin said that he was proud of gru so how could he have been proud if he was dead
I also wonder how the minions survived for millions of years and many experiments that would kill almost anyone. It's like they are enormous tardigrades.
To also add to your "Lucy is Scarlet's daughter theory: If you notice in the Minions movie there is a scene where Kevin, Stuart, and Bob go see Scarlet's show at villian con. The minion's reactions were almost as if they had a crush on scarlet, especially Kevin (he even has a fantasy dream squence about her). Fast forward to Despicable Me 2, uncoincidentally upon meeting Lucy there is a running joke in the movie WHERE THE MINIONS HAVE A CRUSH ON HER, and one of them even has a dream sequence like Kevin did with Scarlet. Perhaps it's a coincidence but I'd thought that was something to point out.
The idea of Nefario wanting to steal the moon before is even landed on just to spite on the entire world is the most petty yet brilliant evil scheme I can imagine.
I just realised something. The villain-con logo is a globe with a bandit mask and the AVL logo is also a globe. Could this mean that they are the same?
I actually think Herb is Vector's dad or is at least a blood relative. When I saw Herb he reminded me of Vector from the first film with similar mannerisms and the similar features such as the brown hair and pointy nose. Outcome A: We do already see Vector's dad Mr. Perkins but I have a feeling that he's actually a 60-70 year old Herb Overkill who gained a lot of weight and had a drinking habit that caused his nose to go from pointy to bulbous. Plus Overkill would probably be a pseudonym. Outcome B: Even if Mr. Perkins and Herb aren't the same person they'd probably would still be related in blood. It could very well make sense since Herb could have access to vast sums of money which he and Scarlet would use for world domination. And well Mr. Perkins would probably let him use the bank whenever in the hopes of that money circulating back or family perks.
@@HereJune we know that the people unfreeze after awhile because all of those people in the cafe in Despicable me 1 were frozen in broad day with several witnesses and they could move their facial expression whilst in the ice
Lucy is clearly Villainborn. They carefree glee with which she uses her taser, the *ahem* "advanced" knowledge of how to announce your surprise attack AFTER surprise attacking, to make sure it stays a surprise until it's too later to evade...
Ok, definitely not Benjamin Bratt (as much as I like him), not Nefario as he was interested in stealing the moon and knew the AVL wouldn't get in the way. The two possibilities I see are Gru's dad, as he lived at least to see Gru steal the moon (confirmed in Despicable Me 3) and so wanted revenge on Scarlett for putting him out of commission for the Villian Con and depriving him of the only chance he had to see his son, and also for trying to steal his title as Greatest Villian Ever and El Macho. But the more likely option I think would be El Macho. Think about it. El Macho seems to be about Gru's age, possibly older, and Lucy's parents died when she was old enough to be on her own, so around 17-18. That would put El Macho around his early thirties at that point. Now, we don't know exactly when El Macho faked his death (maybe there's a date somewhere I missed), but definitely early enough for Gru to know about and describe as "one of the greats". But he said "Like all greats, El Macho was gone too soon." Great actors and celebrities who have been considered "gone too soon" are within 20-35 years old. So the time frame matches up. And we know El Macho didn't care about the government, stealing a mail truck (a federal service) and running away with it without any fear of the police. Maybe his antics got to such a point that the AVL had no choice but to step in to keep their cover intact, and tried to stop him. He had no choice but to fake his death or go to prison for life. And possibly the death sentence. He chose the former, but as revenge, killed their founding agents, leaving Lucy alone. One more possibility I thought while I was typing this comment is Victor's dad, the president of the Bank of Villiany. It doesn't seem like a good possibility, I personally still think it's El Macho, but hear me out. Maybe Herb secretly borrowed large sums from the Bank in order to build his machines, and it caught up to him. So in order to retrieve his money, he ordered him and his wife killed. I don't know, doesn't seem good, but I would be epic if he ordered Gru killed in the next movie because Gru also borrowed too much. Bring the story full circle. Anyway, anyone who sat through my ramblings, thank you. Goodbye!
My wife just pointed out the scene where Dr. Nefario and Gru meet in Criminal Records that the purple ooze behind Dr. Nefario could be the purple stuff that makes the yellow Minions into those crazy purple Minions.
okay, here i go.I already know this will be LONG, so be prepared... first of all, think about it, why would dr.Nefario want to work for a kid? maybe because he already knew that Gru's father was still alive and knew that he was the son of the world's greatest criminal? Well, maybe he wasn't when Scarlet Overkill was alive, but maybe Gru's father killed them? giving him the title of being the world's super villain. Plus, what if his mother really was there for their father? Because why would she want her son to be influenced by the job her ex-husband is already occupying in? Perhaps she was searching for some sort of help to get rid of him, since according to her actions in the movies, she barely carries any remorse, or just hides it very well. So she could be the perfect candidate to finding a villain/assassin to do the job for her, maybe even perhaps El Macho? Dru made it sound as if their father has died just recently, or maybe even Bratt. I could assume that those villains are the main ones that would want to claim his title as world's best villain, and Dru, wanting to continue the family legacy, wants to steal that title back, not by murder, but becoming an even better villain by stealing and other heinous crimes besides murder due to his innocent mindset at this point, but as time continues, spending his time with the minions may increase his hidden abilities as a future super villain.
Sheesh I just realized that I have been binge listening to all off your videos in my sleep. I’m hooked... but I don’t want to miss a single one so I can watch it all unfold. 🧐 Typically I think 🤔 and plot my own hypothesis from watching films but I haven’t turned my focus on Pixar yet. I’m enjoying this though... I will be back.
3:40, but doesn't it seem like both Gru and Dr.Nefario had the same goal in mind? It seems more likely from his personality, that Dr.Nefario just teamed up with Gru, instead of using him with an enormously complex evil plot. And the AVL is probably just corrupt, not actually a evil world dominating organization, explaining how in the 3rd movie, we had a new very much imcopotant director. Occam's razor.
I honestly thought the 3rd movie was decent. It was quirky and fun, and the villain was great. Though I agree the minions took it down, my brain basically wiped them from my memory until you reminded me.
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Didn't Gru's brother tell Gru that his father was proud of his evil or something? This implies that Gru's father was alive when Gru did his villainy. Assuming that this was after his team up with Dr. Nefario, this very well implies that Gru's father could have been the villain who killed Lucy's parents, cause you know, just to affirm his role as the worlds greatest villain. And since Gru's father would be about 80-ish, he simply died of old age. Also, have you noticed that the design of Gru's dad's car is similar to that of Gru's (in terms of nailing and stuff). Really interesting movie this one ay.
My question about Despicable Me is, Why does the moon look so big on Earth and why does it only take a minute for Gru to get there instead of 8 days there and back? Maybe other villains have tried to steal the moon but it keeps getting returned to the sky and that moves it closer. When Gru shrank the Moon, what are the chances of it going back into orbit instead of crushing the Earth.
I imagine a future Despicable Me sequel called "Despicable We" where the girls, now teenagers take up the family villany buisness to save their parents.
You said that Dr Nafario was the one who wanted to go to the moon but when Gru told the minions Dr Nafario told him that he didn't know how they could afford that.
Honestly, I think that the “absurd” part of the theory could hold some truth. Perhaps Lucy doesn’t even know that it was Gru’s family that killed her parents. Also, the whole thing about the AVL could work really well, since that’s the whole thing after DM3. Gru stops Drew, but never makes a true attempt to catch him.
Wait at 5:52 he is questioning if scarlet overkill killed gru’s father but in despicable me 3 wasnt it confirmed that his father had just died when gru was already and adult? So scarlet couldn’t have killed him because she was ruined or whatever.
you should've left a heart, you can do that to show your support for a particular comment. you probably know that, just letting you know and suggesting you use that to your advantage by showing the community you care. not that you don't... just to show them you do... if you know what I mean... great theory by the way!
oh yeah, just saying it would've been quicker and more noticeable to others if he just hearted your comment. just noticing how there are no hearts on any of the comments and pointing out that he could use that if he wanted. I'd be honored if I got replied to also, I certainly didn't mean it that way, just saying he could've used the heart ability. that's all.
I always assumed that Dr.Nefario was a sort of friend/mentor to Gru and that Gru was at Villian Con to see his friend enviel the freeze ray he invented.
I dunno if I'd call them adding a single cameo of young Dr. Nefario "hidden depth" unless we also think young Greedo cameoing in the Star Wars prequels was "hidden depth." Sure, there's the childhood rockets, but the fact that it was clearly Gru designing those faulty rockets in the first movie implies that Nefario wasn't there to help. Seeing as the cameo model rocket in the booth very closely resembles the one used in the movie, it would imply that Nefario was extremely close to finalizing the design... but then it still took him and Gru _half a century_ to finish it? And didn't Gru come up with the moon-stealing plan in _response_ to Vector's pyramid scheme? Plus, when Gru is bragging about his mediocre thefts in the first movie, you'd think he'd mention the damn _Royal Jewels!_ Seeing as Illumination retconned their own animated short to make the Minions movie a thing, let's not give them credit for "hidden depth."
my theory ok lets say your theory is correct except one thing scarlet and gru's dad what if scarlet didn't kill him but he killed her what if she and herb because they did have the first place in villiany Gru's father killed them or like you said they retired meaning that could leave the door for 2nd place to take the lead as #1 and that 2nd place could have been Gru's dad now the base for this is like you said minnions is a prequil to the rest of the series so when minnions happened he wasn't famous or was near the top but then when despicable me happened he could have worked up and up until in the 3rd movie he became #1...
Where The Teorizer says that Gru's father was wrong, in the 3rd despicable me movie, Dru says that his dad was proud of Gru for being the villain, so we could say that he was still alive when Gru met Dr. Nefario
Somehow, somewhere, there is a Despicable Me writer watching this video going, "Hmmm, okay? Not what I planned, but okay.."
That was your plan?
"No, actually I-----I MEAN YES!"
Yeah
Is that the defaulty boi himself?
Wierd flex, but okay?
Fully read that as "despacito me" a solid 6 times
The first one in the trilogy had some dope music tbh
hell yea
IM hAvIng A BAD BAD dAY.
Jailan Simon indeed
Ugh, Despicable Me.
Im havin a bad bad day
Its about time that I get in my way
Smoke rollin whatever I see
Uh despicable me
I have a theory, I do believe that Lucy is the child of Herb and Scarlet. And I think I might know who killed them both. Dr.Nefario. What if Dr.Nefario was killing a bunch of villains or former villians through the late 60's and 70's. He killed all of these villians to stop them from going to the moon before him. Or the minions could have been killing villians. In despicable me 3, the minions go to jail and pretty much own the damn jail the next day. It makes sense that the minions would have some criminal history if they could do that. Just a theory I thought of.
that's a good idea
@@TheTheorizer thanks for the reply :D
Well that's a good Theory but I feel like I am the only one who thought that Lucy was Scarlett or was like a ...... sister
What if Lucy and Scarlett where sisters but as Lucy I think she was the favorite in the family so Scarlett got jelly but what if gru,s father killed the parents because there where villans before probably there parents worked with gru,s father or something and did something bad by doing something so thay left and disappear and change everything so years pass thay had children and settled down but when Lucy and Scarlett parents died i think scarlett did a plan to kill gru,s father to take revenge and to show her parents that she advenge them
Lucy looks nothing like Herb or Scarlet.
@@aliceisaperson I said it was a Theory and it's my opinion so if u know what opinion means then yeah no offense but u should get ur fact first before u say kinda rude things and also waddls!
Gru is a thicc boi
V E R Y T H I C C
Not a nice guy * 1 4 F T. T H I C C*
Top thicc
Who is 14ft tall
@@lahtine7431 gru is 14 ft tall
Gru's dad died after the moon heights stated by drew of how his father was proud of Gru for stealing the moon
OoOOOoo yes that's correct
Captain Mercury *heist
Perhaps Gru's father killed Scarlet Overkill and took her place as the greatest villain ever instead of the other way around
Maybe he was assumed to be dead after a attack
@@Rubinaito that makes sense
Lucy’s hair is red and ginger hair is known for skipping generations. If one of Scarlet’s or Herb’s parents had red hair it is very possible that they could a red haired daughter. Also Scarlet and Herb could have been killed by a villain who felt betrayed by their supposed joining of the AVL and decided to kill them for revenge. It would support the rumor that Lucy’s parents were killed by a villain. It could also explain why she joined the AVL. If her parents were well known agents and were killed when she was young she might have joined the agency in order to feel closer to them.
Stella Brown my mom has red hair so do I and my 3/4 years older brother.
Or she is a red head naturally there are cases like that
Well, I kinda disagree with Lucy joining the AVL to feel closer to her parents, this makes not sense since in the 3rd movie when they get kicked out she wants her jobs back but not as much, if it actually meant a lot for her then she would have tried a bit harder I guess.
Hi Theorizer,
I don't usually do this but this theory is SO GOOD I had to join in.
Dru said, " Their father was so proud of him." So he obviously knew of all of Gru's evil deeds. What if after discovering Dru was a let down Robert hired Dr. Nefario to raise Gru for him and inspire him to do all the evil deeds he wanted to do so if/when he died Robert had someone to continue his legacy.
ALSO! ( Sorry ) What if that is why his mother left. He didn't want Gru ( secretly his favorite son ) involved in crime. And that is why she is so hard on him ( like being impressed with his rocket but quickly ignoring it ) and why she's happy when he settles down, gives up villainy, and starts it a family. It also explains why she considers herself a great mother. But she is involved in villainy herself and can not just give up it.
Evie Rawlings u no u can edit the comment right?
Fish Productions51 how? I can’t find it
@@coltonbosse58 - look to to bottom-right of your comment. There should be three dots placed together in a vertical fashion. Tap on those dots, and, you can figure it out from there, I'm sure.
Mathew Carroll omgosh thanks
is no one going to talk about how this man managed to predict the new movie 'The Rise of Gru'
Yoonsu Oh omg 😱
@Modicai Doherty Probaly the title.
Or the fact that he said guilty pleasure while showing Agnes.
Who killed Robert
El macho
Scarlet overkill
Maybe Balthazar brat dad
Dr neferio
Or
Victor father
Sebastian Ortiz Wesmdrov?
Dr nefario is still alive. Watch the 3rd movie
I have stroke
Robert is grus dad
* vector not victor
WAIT WHAT? THAT MAKES A TON OF SENSE!!
Dude, you’re like MatPat’s Darker, Edgier Twin
You aren’t wrong
Then I guess ruining childhoods run in the family
agreed
That's true...their videos are very similar in style overall, the way they talk, the way they present theories and how they introduce new evidence. But matpat is overall perkier (effects, octave of voice) and the theorizer is darker (music, lower speaking voice)
I was thinking this. Im glad I wasn't the only one.
Really enjoyed your theory on how Dr. Nefario and Gru met. Both were very ambitious and dedicated to villainy. AVL seems incompetent to me in a 'Mr. Bean' sort of way. Not intentional but clearly so.
Gru is14 feet tall compared to 3.5ft minions
Awesome
How could Grus dad be dead !!! Because in despicable me 3 Gru’s twin brother says to gru that there father was proud of gru and wishes that gru was his son and the mother wishes the other twin was her child, each parent wants the opposite child. Do what you want with the theory 🤷🏾♂️???? I’m trying to say that there dad couldn’t be dead because how could he be proud of him when he was dead before he became gru !!!
RAMBO lol I feel bad for gru
RAMBO I’m assuming Gru’s Mom must know about his villainy, and doesn’t like it, but supports it, at least in the beginning, by taking him to villain con.
RAMBO I’m so confused
Omar Albacha Same but his father was more like him so it makes more sense
your nan I didn’t mean it has a theory i was only try to say that his father couldn’t have been dead because the other twin said that he was proud of gru so how could he have been proud if he was dead
Ginger hair is recessive, so this is perfectly viable
Dude youre awsome and I really like your theories!
Karlo Francetic I’m seriously curious as to how he doesn’t have a million subscribers yet.
Yeah,I think he deserves more,hes theories are really good!
Cough cough matpat is the best
@@omaralbacha432 yeah but this guy is pretty goos too.
@@bread3599 no no no dude I like both of them,chill...
Maybe Gru's mother was in the AVL
interesting
Elijah Alonzo This sounds... Strange
"Anti-Villain League" more like Advanced Villain League
Oh yeah! Time to destroy this movie with The Theorizers new theory >:D
@@0613-j4d and I'm glad! :D
I also wonder how the minions survived for millions of years and many experiments that would kill almost anyone.
It's like they are enormous tardigrades.
Well that's my next theory
Mandogy - Games ah dam
Mandogy - Games minions can be killed in lava or extreme temperature incineration
Ravio The Thief how on earth do you known this
The Theorizer i m m o r t a l
The Theorizer is the kind of guy to find a rock on the ground in a movie and ask, "Is anyone gonna theorize about this?" and not wait for an answer.
Now that Rise of Gru has been released, i cant wait for Theorizer to update his theory
To also add to your "Lucy is Scarlet's daughter theory:
If you notice in the Minions movie there is a scene where Kevin, Stuart, and Bob go see Scarlet's show at villian con. The minion's reactions were almost as if they had a crush on scarlet, especially Kevin (he even has a fantasy dream squence about her).
Fast forward to Despicable Me 2, uncoincidentally upon meeting Lucy there is a running joke in the movie WHERE THE MINIONS HAVE A CRUSH ON HER, and one of them even has a dream sequence like Kevin did with Scarlet.
Perhaps it's a coincidence but I'd thought that was something to point out.
Did I mention...
Its a megalodon
So when coralline gonna keep coming
YAMAJGAMING_TTV hasn’t he covered everything?
Bread he said he would make one last video
The Halo Scrolls Gaming oh, he did? Alright then.
The Halo Scrolls Gaming Lmao that’s what he said since 2015
But I would the thing that I need to know is if your gonna cover coralline 2?
The idea of Nefario wanting to steal the moon before is even landed on just to spite on the entire world is the most petty yet brilliant evil scheme I can imagine.
I just realised something. The villain-con logo is a globe with a bandit mask and the AVL logo is also a globe. Could this mean that they are the same?
Simply Dat that theory is the weakest fucking thing to ever exist
NOOO, i still wasn’t fast enough! Boi
fast enough for what?!
I love you do a wreck-it Ralph video please
He has done one
Weekly Challenges He already do one
Just seeing this now, before I start my first thought of the conspiracy was “it’s bioshock for children”
what if the Lorax and despicable me were comnected? 🤔
The Illumination Theory: All Illumination movies take place in the same universe
NOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!
no.
@@lunapyrope9683 oh. my. GAAAAAAAWWWWD.
this is so great Alexa play High Hopes
The Lorax is Lucy's dad, that explains her re hair 😂
*red
Rise of Gru rlly out disproving this 😔😔
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AVIL
EVIL”
“The way I see it, the Jedi are evil”
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I can’t believe I’m saying this, but after watching Rise of Gru I’m confused about the Despicable Me lore.
I actually think Herb is Vector's dad or is at least a blood relative.
When I saw Herb he reminded me of Vector from the first film with similar mannerisms and the similar features such as the brown hair and pointy nose.
Outcome A:
We do already see Vector's dad Mr. Perkins but I have a feeling that he's actually a 60-70 year old Herb Overkill who gained a lot of weight and had a drinking habit that caused his nose to go from pointy to bulbous. Plus Overkill would probably be a pseudonym.
Outcome B:
Even if Mr. Perkins and Herb aren't the same person they'd probably would still be related in blood. It could very well make sense since Herb could have access to vast sums of money which he and Scarlet would use for world domination. And well Mr. Perkins would probably let him use the bank whenever in the hopes of that money circulating back or family perks.
13thefreerunner he could be Victor’s grand dad
Gracekim1 Perhaps, but I'm certain that they're related one way or another.
Outcome A is funny.
but didn't Herb get frozen by gru at the end of the minion movie??
@@HereJune we know that the people unfreeze after awhile because all of those people in the cafe in Despicable me 1 were frozen in broad day with several witnesses and they could move their facial expression whilst in the ice
ILLUMINATIon
Yeah its pretty obvious
OMG this is such a good theory!!!👍👍 IM SHOOK
If the AVL was evil why would they fire Gru and Lucy just to later take them back later in the movie?
well yeah that's my point there're way too many logical contradictions
New boss tho
@Laverne Blaszczyk true true but ehhhh I wish I could do it without the stabbing part XD
possible that they wanted to push Gru back into evil. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Lucy is clearly Villainborn. They carefree glee with which she uses her taser, the *ahem* "advanced" knowledge of how to announce your surprise attack AFTER surprise attacking, to make sure it stays a surprise until it's too later to evade...
I've never loved the lore of Despicable Me so much until now
YES! I've been waiting for you to do a video on this movie series
Wow, you sir really got me thinking .-.
Pov: your watching this after watching Minions Rise of Gru 🤨
Ok, definitely not Benjamin Bratt (as much as I like him), not Nefario as he was interested in stealing the moon and knew the AVL wouldn't get in the way. The two possibilities I see are Gru's dad, as he lived at least to see Gru steal the moon (confirmed in Despicable Me 3) and so wanted revenge on Scarlett for putting him out of commission for the Villian Con and depriving him of the only chance he had to see his son, and also for trying to steal his title as Greatest Villian Ever and El Macho. But the more likely option I think would be El Macho. Think about it. El Macho seems to be about Gru's age, possibly older, and Lucy's parents died when she was old enough to be on her own, so around 17-18. That would put El Macho around his early thirties at that point. Now, we don't know exactly when El Macho faked his death (maybe there's a date somewhere I missed), but definitely early enough for Gru to know about and describe as "one of the greats". But he said "Like all greats, El Macho was gone too soon." Great actors and celebrities who have been considered "gone too soon" are within 20-35 years old. So the time frame matches up. And we know El Macho didn't care about the government, stealing a mail truck (a federal service) and running away with it without any fear of the police. Maybe his antics got to such a point that the AVL had no choice but to step in to keep their cover intact, and tried to stop him. He had no choice but to fake his death or go to prison for life. And possibly the death sentence. He chose the former, but as revenge, killed their founding agents, leaving Lucy alone.
One more possibility I thought while I was typing this comment is Victor's dad, the president of the Bank of Villiany. It doesn't seem like a good possibility, I personally still think it's El Macho, but hear me out. Maybe Herb secretly borrowed large sums from the Bank in order to build his machines, and it caught up to him. So in order to retrieve his money, he ordered him and his wife killed. I don't know, doesn't seem good, but I would be epic if he ordered Gru killed in the next movie because Gru also borrowed too much. Bring the story full circle.
Anyway, anyone who sat through my ramblings, thank you. Goodbye!
Wow that’s actually a really good theory!!! 👏👏🤔👏👏
Deserves a like👍
who the hell is Benjamin Bratt? His name is Balthazar Bratt
Watched like half of this. I already love the videos. Jus subbed and I’m goin to binge all ur videos
......still waiting for that theory about who Justin is in the opening of the despicable me movie
I've legit actually pondered that lmao!
Your theories give me chills.
After watching 45 seconds, I am already on edge just because of the music
My wife just pointed out the scene where Dr. Nefario and Gru meet in Criminal Records that the purple ooze behind Dr. Nefario could be the purple stuff that makes the yellow Minions into those crazy purple Minions.
Despicable Me is deep! It’s genius is shocking.
okay, here i go.I already know this will be LONG, so be prepared...
first of all, think about it, why would dr.Nefario want to work for a kid? maybe because he already knew that Gru's father was still alive and knew that he was the son of the world's greatest criminal? Well, maybe he wasn't when Scarlet Overkill was alive, but maybe Gru's father killed them? giving him the title of being the world's super villain. Plus, what if his mother really was there for their father? Because why would she want her son to be influenced by the job her ex-husband is already occupying in? Perhaps she was searching for some sort of help to get rid of him, since according to her actions in the movies, she barely carries any remorse, or just hides it very well. So she could be the perfect candidate to finding a villain/assassin to do the job for her, maybe even perhaps El Macho? Dru made it sound as if their father has died just recently, or maybe even Bratt. I could assume that those villains are the main ones that would want to claim his title as world's best villain, and Dru, wanting to continue the family legacy, wants to steal that title back, not by murder, but becoming an even better villain by stealing and other heinous crimes besides murder due to his innocent mindset at this point, but as time continues, spending his time with the minions may increase his hidden abilities as a future super villain.
Those theories just keep driving me crazy!!!! Keep on
ugh the cliff hanger....dang..but could this be possible...could it be her parents...hmmmm
Sheesh I just realized that I have been binge listening to all off your videos in my sleep. I’m hooked... but I don’t want to miss a single one so I can watch it all unfold. 🧐 Typically I think 🤔 and plot my own hypothesis from watching films but I haven’t turned my focus on Pixar yet. I’m enjoying this though... I will be back.
3:40, but doesn't it seem like both Gru and Dr.Nefario had the same goal in mind? It seems more likely from his personality, that Dr.Nefario just teamed up with Gru, instead of using him with an enormously complex evil plot. And the AVL is probably just corrupt, not actually a evil world dominating organization, explaining how in the 3rd movie, we had a new very much imcopotant director. Occam's razor.
I love you’re Intro lol they remind me of those unsolved murder shows
I honestly thought the 3rd movie was decent. It was quirky and fun, and the villain was great. Though I agree the minions took it down, my brain basically wiped them from my memory until you reminded me.
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Didn't Gru's brother tell Gru that his father was proud of his evil or something? This implies that Gru's father was alive when Gru did his villainy. Assuming that this was after his team up with Dr. Nefario, this very well implies that Gru's father could have been the villain who killed Lucy's parents, cause you know, just to affirm his role as the worlds greatest villain. And since Gru's father would be about 80-ish, he simply died of old age. Also, have you noticed that the design of Gru's dad's car is similar to that of Gru's (in terms of nailing and stuff). Really interesting movie this one ay.
Bro nailed this good conspiracy bro fr minions movie matched up to this 100%
My question about Despicable Me is,
Why does the moon look so big on Earth and why does it only take a minute for Gru to get there instead of 8 days there and back?
Maybe other villains have tried to steal the moon but it keeps getting returned to the sky and that moves it closer. When Gru shrank the Moon, what are the chances of it going back into orbit instead of crushing the Earth.
I imagine a future Despicable Me sequel called "Despicable We" where the girls, now teenagers take up the family villany buisness to save their parents.
I'll I been dieing for another video where you been also second
I just love how your voice is so intimidating!!!
is it tho
My brother is watching despicable me 3 right now
love ur vids man, your intro is absolutely gr8
Explain this in the ridonculous race in the last episode crisis is not in jail but shouldn't he be plz plz plz make a video about this
You said that Dr Nafario was the one who wanted to go to the moon but when Gru told the minions Dr Nafario told him that he didn't know how they could afford that.
This Theory needs to be updated minions rise of Gru
This guy could make tremors into a real horror film...
Who knew you knew the future tittle of minions: rise of gru
Holy crap, this already makes the movies a whole lot better, especially that Dr. Nefario easter egg.
Can you do a theory on The Maze Runner pleaseeee
5:25 the voice crack 😂😂
Honestly, I think that the “absurd” part of the theory could hold some truth. Perhaps Lucy doesn’t even know that it was Gru’s family that killed her parents. Also, the whole thing about the AVL could work really well, since that’s the whole thing after DM3. Gru stops Drew, but never makes a true attempt to catch him.
Your voice is very soothing
I agree with your theory but I do think dr nafario killed Lucy’s parents so him and gru had a chance at being the best villains.
I love the music in the begining, and LOVE YOUR CHANNEL.
Some how he guessed the title of a film that comes out 4 years after the video is made HOW
Wait at 5:52 he is questioning if scarlet overkill killed gru’s father but in despicable me 3 wasnt it confirmed that his father had just died when gru was already and adult? So scarlet couldn’t have killed him because she was ruined or whatever.
Woah...
yes
you should've left a heart, you can do that to show your support for a particular comment. you probably know that, just letting you know and suggesting you use that to your advantage by showing the community you care. not that you don't... just to show them you do... if you know what I mean... great theory by the way!
@@lukelcs8934 I'm just really happy that I got my comment replied by THE THERIZER
oh yeah, just saying it would've been quicker and more noticeable to others if he just hearted your comment. just noticing how there are no hearts on any of the comments and pointing out that he could use that if he wanted. I'd be honored if I got replied to also, I certainly didn't mean it that way, just saying he could've used the heart ability. that's all.
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Somehow, somewhere, there is a Despicable Me writer watching this video going, "Hmmm, okay? Not what I planned, but okay.."
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I always assumed that Dr.Nefario was a sort of friend/mentor to Gru and that Gru was at Villian Con to see his friend enviel the freeze ray he invented.
Of a lil boy? sum seems fishy here
Didn’t Dru say that Robert was proud of Gru so he had to be alive to see Gru’s villainous acts.
I dunno if I'd call them adding a single cameo of young Dr. Nefario "hidden depth" unless we also think young Greedo cameoing in the Star Wars prequels was "hidden depth." Sure, there's the childhood rockets, but the fact that it was clearly Gru designing those faulty rockets in the first movie implies that Nefario wasn't there to help.
Seeing as the cameo model rocket in the booth very closely resembles the one used in the movie, it would imply that Nefario was extremely close to finalizing the design... but then it still took him and Gru _half a century_ to finish it? And didn't Gru come up with the moon-stealing plan in _response_ to Vector's pyramid scheme?
Plus, when Gru is bragging about his mediocre thefts in the first movie, you'd think he'd mention the damn _Royal Jewels!_
Seeing as Illumination retconned their own animated short to make the Minions movie a thing, let's not give them credit for "hidden depth."
I always thought I was the only one who noticed gru in that scene..
good to know
Where is my Vector squad at???!!!!🧡🤓
Feels like this should be on game/film theory
Well not really, they don’t really do any detective/lore type things anymore, aside from FNAF
my theory ok lets say your theory is correct except one thing scarlet and gru's dad what if scarlet didn't kill him but he killed her what if she and herb because they did have the first place in villiany Gru's father killed them or like you said they retired meaning that could leave the door for 2nd place to take the lead as #1 and that 2nd place could have been Gru's dad now the base for this is like you said minnions is a prequil to the rest of the series so when minnions happened he wasn't famous or was near the top but then when despicable me happened he could have worked up and up until in the 3rd movie he became #1...
this is so cool!
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when i watched this movie all i could think about was how Herb looks like the Once-ler but with a bigger nose
I actually like Despicable Me 1 & 2!
and with the despicable me spin off story of gru coming out this year it definitely makes things fall into place
Holy shit. The new Minion movie title is “Minion: Rise of Gru” you accidentally predicated the movie title
Where The Teorizer says that Gru's father was wrong, in the 3rd despicable me movie, Dru says that his dad was proud of Gru for being the villain, so we could say that he was still alive when Gru met Dr. Nefario
Who is here because of rise of gru
Thanks for making this you saved my Sunday.
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Despicable Me theory? Seriously? Ok