Jessie is a genuinely evil person and it wouldn't surprise me if she manipulated and gaslit OP's wife for most if not the entirety of their "friendship". She's not sad about her friend dying, she's upset she no longer has a plaything to torment.
I wonder how much of that "You're not the only one who loved her" was a sincere "I was in love with your wife and tried to get her to leave you" comment
@@dudeorduuude5211 You make a good point. That could be true, too. I immediately assumed she planned to kill the baby along with herself. However, it's possible that when she wasn't trusted with her own baby, she felt like a failure as a mother and became overwhelmed. As you said, we will never know.
From the story of my parents splitting up, this makes it 2 times I've heard of parents demanding they get the baby but having no idea where they were going to take said baby/if they were going to go anywhere besides off a bridge. The fact i've now heard about it twice sounds like it's more common than people would know
God it sounds like post partum depression that's progressed into post partum psychosis, that her 'friend' fed into a terrible psychiatric illness. She shouldn't have ever been allowed to progress so far. What a heartbreaking story. As soon as she was depressed she should have had intensive care, and when she abandoned the baby was the time for a hospital stay. Jesse murdered her
that "friend" is just a degenerate horrid person for planting seeds of her partner cheating and making up excuses for no good reason. i hope she rots in hell and suffers for the rest of her misserable existenceknowing she murdered her own friend and put her friends husband in such a horrible place she can die a slow painful death for all i fucking care
I was thinking this as well. Jesse may have watered the plants but the seeds were already planted. OPs wife legitimately went off the deep end, and I wouldn’t be surprised at all if she had planned to take her daughters life right before her own.
That second story is just pure evil. The signs are all there. The sickness, the fear and paranoia were a seed planted by Jessie into the fertile soil of OP's wife's depression. What kind of sick, twisted person does that to their friend? What did she have to gain?
Jessie sounds bitter and alone since she's got a lot of time on her hands to meddle with the marriage of two good people trying to be new parents. She was jealous and wanted her "friend" to be alone with her. Instead she took it further and got her killed. Wicked witch forreal.
A psychopath (by definition) gets pleasure in inflicting pain. Some people behave this way for fun. There are no consequences to them and they have fun controlling a puppet. If Jessie is not a psychopath then she was/is a jealous and bitter individual. We'd need more context as to Jessie's lifestyle other than being a stay at home mom. Now I may be reading too much into this but OP said she's a mom, not a wife. If this is the case this is the primary reason Jessie destroyed OP's relationship. OP's wife had a husband that was looking after all of them while Jessie has no one to rely on and has to take care of her 2 kids.
Story 2. Tell the in laws to get their heads straight. That woman wasn't the wife's friends, she was her tormentor. She ruined that poor women's mind to the point she abandoned her child, assaulted her husband, then killed herself. Jessie killed their child out of probably some sick pleasure in seeing her suffer. If they keep her in their lives after that, I'd just drop them too and keep your daughter away. She'll probably try to see if she could do the same to the daughter when she's older.
There was actually an update from OP in the comments, although it's from an alt account so potentially fake, but in it OP says that the parents already knew about what had happened. They just didn't want to "lose Jessie too"
@@DoctorOaks if that’s a real update then the In laws suck too. I couldn’t imagine keeping someone who was basically responsible for my child’s death near me
@@DoctorOaks I think OP should tell the other in-laws (cousin in law, aunt-in-law etc.) About what Jessie did. If the parents won't listen then the in-laws will have to snap them out of it or cut them off completely too, make them completely isolated only to have jessie to talk to if they like her that much
Jessie tries to break up OP's marriage with lies. Jessie says "You're not the only one who loved your wife" Hmmmmmmmm..... I believe this is what we call "motive".
@@MisterNightfishbecause legally, she didn’t commit a murder. There’s no laws against what she did. But there is moral law against it. What she did was evil. She’ll get whatever is coming to her.
As a guy with possible depression (I'm looking for therapy), this is pure evil. It's worse when you realize that OP and his wife just had a baby. This witch made OP a single-father because of her ego. She got mad that OP wasn't a cheater, so she just kept doubling down until it was too late to undo the damage. This crap is the reason why I'm not sure I want to get married. Though, I really want to get married some day.
Story 2 : one of the most chilling parts is when the wife demands to take her daughter but refuses to see her under supervsion. It's as if she had made up her mind and was planning on taking her daughter with her. What a tragedy and what a disgusting "friend".
I've seen it happen a lot... a married woman hangs out with her single friends and eventually get a divorce because single life looks so much more fun. But Jessie is pure evil, deliberately trying to cause the divorce with her unfounded accusations of cheating and manipulating OP's wife.
For story 2: the wife was clearly suffering from an extreme mental breakdown due to her postpartum depression, and it also didn’t help that she had another person screaming in her ear, saying that her husband was being unfaithful… It’s just really sad to see because all of this could’ve been avoided if Jessie was not in the picture at all. It’s so obvious to me that Jesse was taking advantage of the wife’s deteriorating mental state for her own selfish gain!
@@mr.x991some people enjoy watching peoples life get ruined especially when they help cause it. Kinda like how home wreckers enjoy splitting up families.
@@mr.x991 some people have such low self control, that just the dopamine hit from gossiping is a gain. I wouldn’t be surprised if the reason she was in the car on the night she died was because of something Jessie said.
First story: the craziest part to me is that after everything the best friend done to the dad he wouldn't back down from walking his stepdaughter down the aisle. He was the man's best friend and stole his wife and was actively stealing his daughter and thought I deserve to walk her down the aisle. What a piece of crap
Story 2: Honestly sounds more like postpartum psychosis than postpartum depression and seems like Jessie fed into it for her own sadistic reasons (like she's a psychopath or was trying to break up the marriage for some reason). Like a few people in the comments have said, I wouldn't be surprised if OP's wife was there to get the baby for a murder/suicide. In her mental state, if she was truly convinced OP was cheating on her, then she might've been driven to murder his baby as a form of punishment.
Jessie is probably both a psychopath and a narcissist, as she has a lot of the symptoms of both. She saw OP's wife as a plaything and a source of narcissistic supply to feed her ego, so she was only upset about the wife's death because she couldn't torture her anymore. OP should find a way to get her the death penalty and on the day of her execution tell her to say high to her boss when she gets back to where she came from.
I didn't have postpartum psychosis, but during my first pregnancy I had pregnancy-induced psychosis. It was no joke. I was convinced I had rabies and no one could talk me out of it. Dark time in my life. I wrote a goodbye love letter to my husband because I was convinced for months that I was about to die from it. Cried myself to sleep night after night. Seriously depressed. After my son was born it was like coming out of a fog. I can't imagine how bad it would have gotten if the people in my life fed into my delusions.
@@SinisterScoundrel6562 Normally I would say a massive whoa to a comment like this. However, this is one of the very few times where the person it targets completely deserves it.
Story 1: I don't know what Sarah was gonna expect. She decided to let a cheater walk her down the aisle, and it broke everyone's hearts. Now she gotta live with the consequences.
I can understand and not blame her for 1. choosing to stay with mom. She's 3 and probably doesn't understand it. She just choose the one that close to her. 2. The career path. Well, sometimes you change your mind. But the wedding part is the unforgiveable one, she also kept it secret until the very last minute.
Story 2: I heard of evil friends, but goddamn. Jessie puts even the evilest criminals to shame. She fed lies to his wife, and then KILLED HER, albeit indirectly. I don't know what the f*ck is she trying to accomplish here, but OP needs to make the in-laws understand what she did to OP'S wife, and forbid her from even showing up.
She clearly wanted the wife all to herself. She wanted to be the literal only person in the world to the wife. But yeah, the in-laws were always going to pick Jessie, the childhood friend they knew as a literal infant, over some man they suspect of cheating and driving their daughter to suicide.
It could also just be typical feminist projection. The people that accuse others of cheating and being abusive are usually abusive cheaters. Their narcissism knows no bounds when it comes to blaming the world for their troubles and never, even for a second, does the concept that they manufactured their own misery even enter their mind. They lie to themselves, truly believing in the fiction they spin in their head and expecting everyone else to back them up as innocent victims. See also: Amber Heard
I feel like Jessie should be charged with man slaughter. Thought I'm not sure if that's possible. Still one of these days Jessie's in for hell weather literal or metaphorical remains to be seen.
@@agentzapdos4960 I heard one theory that Jesse may have actually been a lesbian, and all these accusations were her attempt to get them to divorce, so Jesse could be with the wife. This mainly comes from the line: “your not the only one who loved your wife.” Which insinuates that Jessie loved her in a similar way to the OP, however, the line could have been said differently in the post than what actually happened, but this is most likely what Jessie had said to the OP. If this theory is correct, she probably wanted to look like the one who “saved the poor naive wife from her terrible cheating husband,” which is even more of an asshole move than if their relationship was just platonic.
@@Allo-001 either way she should be locked up Edit: if you loved somebody in s romantic way albeit a crush or a relationship gaslighting and enabling their depression to give them a fast line to suicidal tendencies and then the act it self
I would go first at the funeral and then introduce Jessie as the woman who tried to convinced my wife I was having an affair and drove her to be in the casket behind me through her words and actions.
This. If she thinks she can hop up there and say a sob story where she’ll most likely STILL try to blame OP, he should tell everyone what she did before she even opens her mouth. She doesn’t deserve to play the grieving best friend.
I think the only reason Jessie told OP in the first place that she was intending on speaking was because she knew he would refuse. This way, she can cry and whine and get the wife’s parents on her side too. And as a bonus, if anyone asks why she isn’t speaking (since she’s crying to everyone about not being able to talk at her best friend’s funeral), she can tell them “OP doesn’t want me to talk because he knows that I know.” Etc.
Story 2: I don't know if this was the result of jealousy or some serious delusion (or both), but Jessie was basically trying to ruin both OP and the wife by feeding really heartbreaking lies. OP needs to put a restraining order against Jessie, and Jessie needs to go to a psychiatrist.
I say Jessie needs to be arrested, what she did was really wrong. Does this even count as murder? There is a link that can connect Jessie to Op's wife's passing.
@@celestiafanforever unfortunately Jessie can't be held criminally accountable for her death as she didn't personally kill her. However, OP can take Jessie to civil court and sue her for everything she's got and then some.
I think Jessie was in love with OP's wife...and out of jealousy and rage ruined OP's life, and it seems like she's trying to do it through the Inlaws now.
Story 2: I believe that Jesse's statement of "not the only one who loved your wife" was literally and she was trying to separate OP's wife to be with her as she was in love with OP's wife, but she pushed it to the limit and ended up killing OP's wife
If that is what she said word for word then I would agree. Not saying OP is lying just that the words may have been slightly different but carried the same meaning. I do agree though, with that sentence, it looked like Jessie wanted to get with OP's wife. Wish they could have cut jessie out sooner before tragedy struck.
@@dragonsteamworks6675 definitely, just giving the benefit of doubt (how unwarranted it may be) because words can already change meaning when paraphrased by someone else so aside from an audio recording of jessie saying it i would put an asterisk on the statement as potentially damning. the issue of languages makes it that i can't take that quote at face value regardless how much i'd want to, either way it's a completely f-up situation that that woman drove op's wife to suicide regardless of her intentions for the manipulations and lies, imho the woman's a murderer. (and probably some combination between a sociopath and a narcicist)
Yeah I had the exact same thought. At first I thought she was going after OP, but that convinced me otherwise. Either way, she deserves the ultimate punishment.
But realistically what would the restraining order be issued for. I don’t think you can get a restraining order because you don’t like someone. Can you?
@@spongebobsjellyfish Probably for "Child Desertion and Abandonment" or something, though it would be tough to prove as the other witness is literally dead. Well, not only is she dead, but she would have taken Jessie's side because she was not well.
Wouldn’t work that way. A restraining order works both ways. You must avoid each other. If OP shows up to a place he KNOWS Jessie will be, Jessie can use that and get the restraining order nulled. Depending on the area they live if OP is the one who violates the order, he can be charged with a felony instead. This is to ensure one cannot abuse a restraining order to get the other party fired or removed from their own home.
I’ve never been so angry about a reddit story before as the last one. Jessie intruded on their life and emotionally abused and manipulated a depressed person, pushing her to commit suicide. Jessie is evil and deserves a prison sentence. I can’t believe that this actually happened. I hope the redditor can recover from this
story 2: postpartum depression is just brutal. When my brother was born, my grandmother(dad's side) tripped and fell on her way to meet her grandson, who was admitted to the same hospital. Dad had to leave my mom's side to attend to his mother which triggered her postpartum depression. He wasn't gone for long. I couldn't blame any of my parents. But 16 years on when I was curious and asked, it made my mom cry... it is heartbreaking... Having Jessie FEEDING all those false information to op's wife enrages me. A mother having postpartum depression is already fragile enough, but to spew accusations on no basis at all, that women murdered op's wife without the wife herself knowing. she deserves a special place in hell.
In story 2, the fact that Jessie said "you weren't the only one that loves her" means to me that she was feeling romantic feelings for the wife and fed the wife lies to split her and the OP up. This went all wrong and the wife ended up killing herself, now Jessie is putting on a mask and saying that none of this was her fault and acting all innocent to the in-laws. Absolutely sickening because I've met a person like this.
Yeah that’s sort of where my mind went too. I guess there’s not really a point to trying to mentally dissect the mind of someone evil like this but I can’t think if any other reason she’d go that far to break them up. Maybe there is no reason but “you’re not the only one who loved her” sure sounds like she has something for the wife
Jessie never loved the wife. She can't love anyone. Narcissists aren't capable of love. Jessie only saw OP's wife as a source of entertainment and ego boost and only pretended to be sad because she lost her narcissistic supply and didn't want to be revealed for the demon that she is. Jessie deserves nothing and no one and will die alone before suffering for eternity in the same pit of Hell she crawled out of.
@@JayoftheCanadianPath I believe you're reffering to a seperate mental illness. Narcissists do have the capacity to feel love, real love, and they also have the capacity to get better. Complete and total apathy and murderous intentions are not symptoms of npd. Sorry for kind of nitpicking, but this has been a common misconception that can be harmful
Story 2 made me so sick. Jessie manipulated OP's wife into literally cracking like an egg, becoming destructive and a danger to herself and others (Im shocked she wasn't honestly put in the hospital for that, considering that she busted OP's nose with one punch). And ON TOP OF THAT, the wife wanted to pick up the kid right before she killed herself, so that makes me believe she was going to try to take her out too. The wife wanted OP to feel so much guilt that he would become as fucked up as Jessie manipulated her to be. It's so frustrating to me, and I honestly hope Jessie rots in hell for preying on a poor mentally ill woman like that. Disgusting beyond words.
S1: how couldn't she think that her bio dad walking down the aisle with the person who stabbed his back and literally destroyed his family was a good idea. S2: was not expecting that ending. Do the parents not know the friend was the one who filled her daughter's head with ideas WHILE having PPD? It's the only explanation I can think of, because it's easy to connect the dots there
S1; maybe she mistakenly believed her father would put his old grudge out of his mind for the sake of his daughter getting to spend her wedding with both her Dads. She had to choose between her parents when she was just a 9/10 year old little girl, and he held her choice against her for the rest of his life. Is it any wonder she ended up closer to her stepfather? He probably actually treated her well.
@@themartinebunny it was a really stupid thing to do because she was manipulated and just by reading the story you could tell what kind of shitty people her mother and stepfather are
@@themartinebunny it's never said anywhere that he held the decision she made as a child against her for the rest of her life. the OP, Sarah's twin, stated that the first time the father had gotten mad at Sarah for such a decision was on the night of the wedding when she sprung- OUT OF NOWHERE- that they'd both be walking her down the aisle. Plus, OP specifically said that he spoiled Sarah MORE after she decided to live with them, and that OP only knew something was wrong with the dad because he overheard him crying himself to sleep. Not once does it say he emotionally manipulated Sarah by forcing her to choose between them anywhere before the wedding- in which case, it was more manipulation on Sarah's part to give her father the impression that he'd be walking her down the aisle, only to last minute tell him that it was both him and John in order to trap him in the decision. Reminder that at that point, they would've done wedding rehearsals with just the dad walking her down the aisle, or else he would've figured out way earlier on that John AND him would be going down the aisle together. That's just a scummy thing to do full stop. The dad had every right to cut her out of his life after that. Especially since it was clear Sarah knew about the things John had done to him and still chose to force her father into a corner on a decision that he was clearly very passionate about. Their dad had every right to cut her out after she had broken his heart. Just like how you do with friends who hurt you, or partners who hurt you. Why should he be expected to treat Sarah the same when she decided to revive trauma for him? I feel like the only reason people are defending Sarah is because of the misconception that cheaters can still be good parents (this is true, my dad used to be a cheater when he was younger) and thus, should be given a pass when it comes to taking care of children. But no. John is more than a cheater, he's a backstabber to his CHILDHOOD FRIEND and he destroyed and traumatised OP's father. OP's father should not be expected to compromise for someone like that. If someone traumatised you by destroying your family and crumbling your mental state by a horrible betrayal- no matter what that betrayal was, if it was stealing a family heirloom, cheating, spreading rumours behind your back, hurting someone you care about- you should not be expected to keep the people connected to that person in your life. Sarah and her mother were both connected to John. He cut the mother out of his life. And that argument was the push he needed to cut Sarah out of his life so that he could finally move on. As he should. We would say the same thing about someone cutting out a sibling who was connected to abusive parents, or a friend who was connected to a scumbag ex-boyfriend. "bUt FaMiLy" is not an argument here.
I really feel for the OP of the second story. I hope they update us on how they will deal with that sick monster disguised as a human. If this happened to one of my friends or family members I would flip my lid and dig them into a hole so deep they could never climb out of it! this is just sad. I hope OP can get through this time with his baby girl. He's going to need all the support he can get.
Story 2: Jessie is beyond the Disney Villain level of evil. She is the devil himself. She took a woman who was already going through postpardem and twisted her emotions so hard that they would believe every lie she said. She ruined OP's marriage, damaged his wife's mind beyond repair, and stole an innocent baby's mother. OP should sue her, file a restraining order against her, move to another town, and let his former in-laws know that their decision to support the idea of Jessie speaking at his wife's funeral had cost them from ever having a relationship with their grandchild.
I just want to know what Jessie's motives were. Surely after seeing her friend suffer mentally because of her manipulations would have made her realise what she was doing was wrong.
If she's not a genuine sociopath that takes joy from seeing how she can manipulate others, then my guess would honestly be just plain boredom. It's mentioned that she's a SAHM, so she probably has nothing better to do than sniff out drama or create it if there's none there. She's also probably a narcisist who thinks she can never be wrong; so if she thinks that OP was cheating of COURSE he must be cheating because there's no way she could be mistaken, and proving that she's right becomes way more important than the wife's mental health. The best that can be said is that if this is the case then at least it wasnt her intention to drive the wife to suicide, but it only downgrades her crime from murder to manslaughter.
Story 2: Sue Jesse, she undermined Op's marriage. She put thoughts into the wife's head and made her think that her husband was cheating when he was not. She got her so wound up that she attacked and hurt her husband, after leaving their child alone in the house crying. She needs more than therapy, and Jesse needs to leave Op's family alone permanently because she's just a homewrecker! edit: Now that I've heard the outcome of this story, absolutely sue Jesse then cut all ties with her and the family get a restraining order against Jesse and leave just straight up leave. Leave the state or the country that Op in for somewhere else where Op and his daughter can live normally away from THAT.
Pretty sure what Jessie did also still counts as murder. So a restraining order probably isn't enough. Which of course, could work both ways, and since Jessie has absolutely no morals, what stops her from pinning her actions on OP for that as it's clear she obviously hates OP. Well that all depends on if the driving into a tree was suicide or because she was too mentally spent she wasn't paying attention.
The problem is on what grounds? Like i agree with you 1000% but sadly you can't sue someone for possibly influencing someone's death. The courts would immediately rule this "suicide" and Jesse would have no consequences. You can't even get her for assisted suicide because you would have to proven she specifically egged her to kill her self. If OP's wife's phone survived the rash maybe there be something but we don't know that. This story just makes me sad and angry all at the same time, and I hope Mr. Luci has a special spot in the underworld saved just for her!
@@hellahothippo4861I'm no legal expert; so my word is certainly not law. However Slander (to my understanding) is simply damage to one's character/imagine in the eyes of other people. So Slander wouldn't apply here. Jesse didn't damage OP's imagine to other people. Her saying OP cheated didn't hurt anyone outside of Op and his wife. Mental abuse may be possible, however it may be hard because Op's wife would've explicitly needed supervision or care. Because then you can argue Jesse neglected her obligation to care for her
Okay, so... in that 2nd story, I'm 100% too emotional to deal with shit like that, and if Jessie showed up at the funeral, I would, in front of everybody, say to her, "You are the one who killed my wife. You are not allowed at this funeral. I don't care what her parents say. I will call the police if I have to, but you do not get to speak at her funeral when it's YOUR fault she's dead." Jessie deserves as much sadness and misery as this world can dump on her. What a literal fucking piece of trash...
In the last story, I think OP should seriously check his late wife's phone ASAP to see if there's any evidence of Jessie gaslighting her or encouraging her to hurt herself. I feel like she should actually be in jail for that, what she did was beyond no contact, that feels VERY illegal.
Story 1: Honestly, I have absolutely zero sympathy for Sara. I'm a HUGE Daddy's girl and this story had me crying. How dare she not only choose her lying, cheating ma and scumbag affair partner but she expected him to continue being her personal ATM and walk her down the isles with the cheater who helped destroy her family? She deserves what she got. She has no one to blame but herself, it's not like she's a child and doesn't understand why they divorced, she just didn't care. I hope OP can heal and although their dad may longer be with them, they can still remember him. Story 2: Jesse can straight up go do a high-dive from 50 stories up into an empty bucket and then have that bucket look launched into the Bermuda Triangle. She needs to be held responsible for what happens. She's at fault for OP wife's death and the fact that HER OWN PARENTS are on Jesse's side, trying to guilt trip OP is both so heartbreaking and infuriating. She did nothing but feed her depression, anxiety, delusions, etc to the point she abandoned her infant child for several hours. Where was Jesse when OP's wife killed herself? On the cars speaker, egging her on or something? " Come on, girl! He's cheating on you WITH DEATH and you need to show that bitch what's up." Both Sara and Jesse deserve whatever shitty karma comes there was.
I very much disagree you maybe be a daddy girl but you didn't go through her situation kids are easy to manipulate and don't understand things her mom and cheater husband manipulated her into coming with them and becoming a lawyer
@@SoaR2COLDFNYT manipulation can only go so far, especially in adulthood. It went from being manipulated to being the manipulator, which is where I expect that guilt came from. Like the brother said, she expected him to just roll over about the wedding plans knowing full well what the hell she was asking. However if it is just pure manipulation, she does live with two lawyers she herself will make a shitty lawyer being swayed so easily for so long
@@SoaR2COLDFNYT you have no clue whether or not I've been in a similar situation so don't assume. Sarah was well aware of the affair as an adult even as a kid (especially after being told why their parents are getting divorced but im guessing she wasnt paying attention) Yes, she was manipulated but she had plenty of chances to talk to her dad considering he still went to every event she had after the divorce, made sure he was present in her life, to talk to OP and sort out the bullshit but she didn't. She just didn't care until he finally died. He deserved better then what he got.
Story 2: She most likely had Sheehan’s syndrome caused by a traumatic birth. I went through a lot of this with my wife, almost resulting in the same conclusion. Luckily we caught it, and I have my wife back
Story 2.consult a criminal defense attorney and tell him what you told us, see if she can be charged as an accessory after the fact, or at the very least assisting a suicide.
Omg, I bawled through the last half of this. Toxic “friends” are the worst kind of people to be around when suffering from a mental illness. I had SEVERE PPD with all 3 of my children. I’m not proud of it, but yes after each birth I attempted “to un-alive” myself because the most horrific thoughts lived in my head. I chose the solitaire route and refused to talk to anyone at all, which left me with my own worst thoughts. Now, after my last time (my youngest is 16) I can honestly say I don’t even remember the thoughts, things were so bad I really just remember a little bit of the ambulance rides. Someone shoving charcoal down my throat, making me vomit, and worst of all, my husbands face from the doorway. I still fight depression issues but by the grace of God, I’ve somehow managed to see my daughter marry (twice) and get to see my middle son graduate high school this year and my youngest turns 16 the day after Thanksgiving.
Story 2: Honestly…if i’m Op, i’m putting an ultimatum on the in laws: if Jessie shows up at the funeral, they’re never seeing their grandchild again. This evil woman tormented their daughter while she was going through PPD, made her think her husband was cheating, convinced the wife to abandon her daughter, lead her to assault her husband and then take her own life. This woman is the most vile person i have ever read about on this site, Op i am SOOO sorry about everything, i wish you and your baby a happy life and if that means going NC with the in laws, that might be necessary
I'd for sure explain to them what Jessie has done. From constantly convincing his wife that he was cheating to taking the wife and leaving the baby alone for hours. If they still want Jessie to talk or if they don't believe OP/play down what Jessie has done, then give them the ultimatum
I would also advise, and this will be incredibly difficult, gathering all of the evidence, especially evidence in regards to Jessie. This way when the grandparents file for grandparents' rights, the father will have better leverage. It is an incredibly tragic situation, but you know, you just know if a court order doesn't get put in place, Jessie will keep worming her way in their lives, and devise some way to take the baby and do god knows what with her.
I don't think the in-laws realize what kind of person Jessie is. Jessie most likely spent years gaining their trust. I seriously doubt that they would intentionally let someone who is responsible for their own daughter's death speak at her funeral. They could also be victims of Jessie's manipulation, but they don't see it. And they might not listen to anyone who tries to tell them. OP would be better off going no contact with them.
Story 2: So…the thing it seems like you’ve missed - and to be fair it was someone else’s comment that alerted me to it - is that the wife’s likely original plan was to crash the car WITH THE DAUGHTER.
The wife was probably not a victim in this case then; if she planned on killing herself and the daughter, her mental problems were WAY worse than OP thought.
@@YokaiDisorder She is still a victim, no one get's suicidal to this point for funsies, it's an added layer, for sure, but it doesnt change that she needed serious mental health intervention, they were too leniant, she showed in one fell swoop that she was a danger to her kid her husband when she left the kid alone and broke his nose. They loved her, wanted the best for her, sometimes, that blinds you for the severity of the issue.
Car crash suicides are almost always spur-of-the-moment rather than planned. It's a moment of complete overwhelm without any time to think things through because you're literally sitting inside a weapon moving faster than your brain can. It probably would have happened anyway, but I don't think the PLAN was to take the daughter with her. At least, I really hope not. Most isn't all, and it's certainly possible. PPD seriously messes you up even when you're not living with a straight-up moustache-twirling villain.
Honestly I think it depends on the situation. I was very much a daddy's kid, and while I preferred my bio dad because i lived with him, I would also jump at the opportunity to spend time with my sister's dad. Addiction took sister's dad, and illness took bio dad's mind. I wish them both dead now. But, when they were my dads, when they were okay, I don't think I could've chose one over the other. They're the reason I took the courses I did, because I genuinely loved what bio dad did, and I wanted to make games sister's dad and I could play together. Bio dad is the reason I got into genetics and reptile breeding, since he used to breed racing pigeons. I'm the person I am today because of them. If I had gotten married, and if they had continued to be the men who raised me, I think I would've done what Sarah had done and asked them both to walk me down the aisle.
As someone who used to be a Daddy's girl until he became an aggressive drinker... having a step dad who would care for my mom and sisters would sound way better than my dad
I would choose my stepdad over my dad any day of the week as my dad walked out on me and my sister and does not respect any of my opinions (he went down a massive right wing rabbit hole). While my stepdad and I don't agree on everything we can at least talk about it like civilized adults and he honestly wants the best for me.
As someone who is no contact with her father and her father’s family and who last year went through a seizure, coma, and cardiac arrest within 4 days, I would never ever want my father at my funeral. Here’s my thing: my mother aloud him in the hospital with me once I went into the coma. He did they same shit he did before and he behaved horribly around my mother who was his punching bag for years. When they tried to ween me off of sedation, I opened my eyes, saw my father, and (with tubes in) tried to attack him to the point that I had to be restrained. I let my father back into my life after manipulation and not only did he joke about how long my cardiac arrest was, he saw nothing wrong with his behavior. My point is: if someone is no contact with another person, that means they don’t want them at the funeral. If I’d died my father would’ve stood up and made a sob story in front of everyone I knew talking about how much he loved me and that I was just manipulated into no contact…no that he’s a rpist, has severely neglected me, emotional abuse, and then let other ppl abüse me. And his family is delusional enough to not see anything differently despite me telling them what he’s done. And my friends wouldn’t know. This brings me to my second point: I never want people to think that he was a good man and a funeral would give him the opportunity to manipulate ppl into thinking that. Please please please do not let people who’ve been no contact’ed go to the funeral
this. my brother died in 2018 and my mom (who abandoned him... as she did with all her other children) showed up at his funeral. made a whole sob story about how much she loved him and spent time with him (unlikely). then, she started talking about her fucking dog?? the people who actually knew him were livid, there was a huge fight. just sucks even worse that she tried to convince me to go with her, undoubtedly so she could parade me around as proof of what a good mother she was, "look, I do care for my kids. I have one with me right now... as if the last 6 years where I disappeared to 'find myself' don't exist. look at how good she turned out. yeah, it was all me even though I didn't raise her, I locked her and her siblings in their rooms for their entire childhoods to the point. we get along so well, and my poor son who instead of spending time with, I ditched for getting drunk at parties, was one of my prized possessions. anyway, my dog died recently" I wouldn't want her at my funeral. Such a horrible thing that those traitors were allowed at the dad's funeral, as well.
In the second story he should have gone to the funeral and said something like: I'm sure my wife would be touched to see all her loved ones here. Especially Jessie who took her out the house without baby and who spent weeks trying to convince my wife that I was having an affair.
@@terrencenivens8620 Why not? Jessie deserved being exposed and hopefully shunned, for what she did. He should also point out the fact that the in-laws refused to honor HIS wishes to exclude Jessie from the funeral.
@@avashnea This was his wife's funeral. Pointing fingers doing someone's funeral specially blaming a person's death for the person alive is not exactly great.
@@terrencenivens8620 The wife is dead. Funerals are the best time to be honest. Jessie is definitely gonna go up there and slander him anyways may as well beat her to it. Especially since the in-laws are defending her. Burn that bridge and save his image with the rest of the people there IMO
@@avashnea yes she should be exposed but not at a funeral where others including her parents are grieving. I don’t agree with them letting her speak but I understand where they’re coming from.
Story 1 I've heard this before. The sister did it to herself. She chose the man who broke her family over her loving dad. Now she can live with this guilt.
People said that there's Sarah's perspective post. But it never found. SHe said that she just being manipulated. And people still doesn't really sympathize.
While she has to live with her guilt and I agree, I don't think ANYONE really deserves to be hospitalised for it. Yes, she made a really hurtful choice and she needs to come to terms with the consequences but she also deserves to do it without basically self-destructing. (edited for typos)
The fact that he feels scared of being a bad dad, is a good start, because if he's worried about bringing up his kids and thinking about it, then he's doing more than a lot of folks.
Can you blame the dad for being so hurt he went no contact? He'd been waiting all his daughter's life for that moment, only to be told, the DAY before the wedding, "btw, the man who was your best friend, best man, the one who cheated with your wife? He's going to be walking down the aisle on the other side of me"
Yes, I can. Being hurt once, with the other person spending YEARS trying to make amends, didn't give him the right to both hurt her emotionally for years and years, deny his grandkids the chance to ever meet him out of sheer self centered SPITE, and then going as far as to make sure to be cruel to his daughter even after his death.
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@@WeirdWonderful, she did not have the right to hurt him _"once"._ And just because she later regretted breaking his heart does not mean she's entitled to be forgiven. However, him having his heart broken gives him _every_ right to make sure it doesn't happen again. There are some words and actions that *cannot* be undone... _even_ if it later turns out that it would've been in your best interest to not have said or done those specific things. She clearly showed him who was more important to her, him or her new stepdad, and then you blame _him_ for seeing it?
@ So we are just okay with his keeping his own daughter miserable for years, even going so far as to single her out after his death, and never allowing his own grandchildren to meet him ? Those are all fine in your book ? Also not sure what good denying his daughter to see him on his death bed could possibly do, or how he'd have time to even HAVE his heart "broken again" on account of the whole dying thing. Vs. horifically scarring his surviving daughter for years if not for life. The man was just selfish and evil to do this.
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@@WeirdWonderful, let's see if you understand it better if we put _you_ in the position of being betrayed and having your heart shattered: What if you got into a huge fight with your best friend, and in a fit of rage, your best friend killed one of your kids (if you have children, otherwise pets, other close relatives)... *but* as soon as your child stopped breathing, your friend realized the severity of the situation and immediately, for years to come, started trying to make up for it. How long would it take _you_ to forgive that friend? Or would you say that is something that can never _be_ forgiven? Would you forgive your friend on your deathbed, it's not like you'd have time to get into another huge fight and you'd lose another child? When would _you_ say that your friend had suffered enough for that _"one-time mistake"?_ What about your friends children? Surely _they_ would have the right to your company? Or would you say screw that, the damage caused can never _be_ repaired? That debt can _never be_ settled?
She didn't hurt him once, she hurt him three times, each at an important moment of her life. She chose his cheating wife and the ex-best friend of his she cheated on him with over him, She chose to not be a doctor ever though for years she had told him she wanted to follow in his footsteps to instead be a lawyer like her cheating wife and her lover, And finally she chose to have both him and the man his wife cheated on him with walk him down the isle at the same time, he loved weddings and had been waiting for hers for years, and still she chooses the man his wife cheated on him with. He cut her out when he couldn't take anymore heartbreak. She only regretted her choice when she couldn't talk to him for years, but the damage had been done a long time ago, he knew where he stood with her despite the years he spent raising her and being the best father he could be to her, every choice she made was another twist of the knife. Even if unintentional she kept hurting him. Either she was oblivious to the pain she was causing him or she didn't care.
I just looked up the 2nd story on reddit, OPs in laws is somewhat aware of Jesse's actions but don't seem to comprehend what she did, drove OP's wife over the edge, and don't want to know it seems. And that's as far it goes. I can't help to be curious what happened next.
Story 1: Something doesn't seem right. She's been a daddy's girl her entire life, and suddenly she wants to live with her mom and be a lawyer? Something isn't adding up.
I agree. I know people are kind of dumping on her, but I feel like we’ve got to give her a little bit of grace because she must’ve been in a very difficult position, especially when she was so young.
@@SoaR2COLDFNYT you desire to remove accountability for this chick is astounding. Stop damage controlling for her, she won't learn that way. That's how you get women who've lived as long as her and still make the terrible choices she did.
Story 2: jessie did worse than murder her, she poisoned her mind, lied to her, fed her depression, and kept accusing OP of cheating with accusations that were never proven to be true, and eventually that depression consumed her
Story two: I think OP needs to have a sit down heart to heart with his in-laws about Jessie and everything she did in the time leading to his wife’s death. How she continuously fed negative ideas into OP’s wife’s head about infidelity when she was in no condition to hear something like that whether it was true or not. How Jessie drove OP’s wife from the house leaving an infant completely alone for who-knows-how-long. How it was Jessie who spun webs of deceit that made OP’s wife spiral until she, I’m assuming, took her own life. I agree completely that Jessie murdered OP’s wife in the second degree by playing mind games with her while she was at her most vulnerable. Taking a daughter away from her parents, a wife away from her husband, and a mother away from her child.
Story 2: I feel bad that the wife was manipulated by the friend, in a vulnerable mental state and interfering in the marriage and creating chaos and emotionally blocked him. Jessi had no right to interfere with no proof of anything and putting thoughts of cheating and the manipulations causing the worst outcomes to happens. The friend Jessi deserves to be absent from the funeral , and other things prior to the wife's passing. Jessi does sound psychotic at the least. The OP should have an RO against her and the daughter!
Jessie sounds like she was wanting to go friend diving. Jessie also sounds like someone who was trained to be this way; sad to say but this is what happens when disney villians are allowed to breed lol.
#2 - Oh good god. Had not heard the update, but even before that felt Jessie was almost 100% responsible for what happened, especially after leaving the baby ALONE and driving off with OP's wife. That woman should not be allowed inside the building the funeral is in. I know it would be tough on OP, but if wife's parents allow her to speak, OP should then get up and call her out. That is just awful and I feel so bad for OP and his child.
Story 1: In a way, I think the dad was being kind and loving by still giving the daughter a photo album and if I was the daughter's friend, I'd try to help her see it that way. It was a book full of pictures taken with love, of times filled with love. Yes, the photos have no special notes on the back, but that's because unfortunately Sarah took their relationship to a place where there was nothing left to say. There was nothing left for the dad to say to Sarah, but he still gave her the book that documented their history together, and that has to count for something. I think Sarah deserves a hard lesson, and this one is the hardest. Hopefully she can do better from here on out and raise her kids with stories of their amazing grandpa.
I honestly have high hopes that OP in story 1 is going to be an amazing father to his children and be able to learn and heal and grow from the lessons his dad taught him. The thought of his dad's spirit smiling down on him and guiding him gives me this light hopeful feeling, and the amount of compassion and love OP possesses shines through in his post. He has an amazing support system and a wonderful family, albeit a bit of a moron for a sister, but hey, live and learn and accept consequences. I hope everything works out for him 💕
I've had "friends" like Jessie before. That kind of person is beyond dangerous and manipulative if given any power over someone, like in the second story. They loooove the drama and love to be the ones who start it; they do not care about the consequences of their words or actions. They will also completely drop you if they can't find a way to control or isolate you, leaving you to be like "what did I do??" OP describing his wife's depression causes such heartache. I hope OP and his daughter can heal from this and I hope Jessie... well, karma might bite me in the ass for what I WANT to say.
My dad cheated on mom with her brothers wife. When her brother found out, he raced home & got into such a bad accident the JAWS of life extracted him from the car. Dad & SIL married, mom moved 9hrs away, and they fought over us for years, even kidnapping us from the other. Dad died when I was in my early 20s. He never got to meet my younger kids. His wife ran off with everything, so I have nothing but a picture of him. My mom said she used to hate him for killing her brother and ruining her life, but she came to realize life is life.
I won’t sugar coat it, this episode genuinely shocked me. Story one: I can relate with the fact that O.P lost his dad to terminal pancreatic cancer, in the summer of 2019 when I broke up from school I was told my nanny Smith passed away before her 99th birthday. But the fact that Sarah decided to side with her cheating mother and had 0 sympathy for her dying dad and decided to allow her own bio dad and *THE MAN WHO CHEATED ON HIS WIFE WITH MAY I ADD* to walk her down the isle on her wedding day thinking that her dad and mr. Wife Cheater would be buddy buddy and when her bio dad dies cheating mum and John decide to gatecrash the funeral they weren't even invited to! No sympathy from Sarah whatsoever. Story 2: What kind of evil malicious head up their own backside kind of person would drive, no pun intended, a person's wife to suicide?! That’s no friend, that person is hiding the devil inside them, feeding a person suffering from postpartum depression lies that their signifiant other is cheating on them without evidence is super sketchy! That’s bloody sad and disgusting for O.P to have to deal with, I pray to god that that psychopath gets life in prison for the involuntary murder of O.P’s wife and feeding into that poor innocent woman’s PPD.
What scares me about the last story, is that the wife probably wanted the baby in the car with her when she crashed so she could take her daughter with her. I'm glad you didn't let your wife take your daughter.
Quick note, Jessie said "Your not the only one who loved your wife". I know some people would take that as she really cared for her, but I take it as she had feelings for her and tried to break them up so Jessie could have OPs wife for herself
I feel so bad for OP and his late wife in the second story. The wife’s mind was in an incredibly fragile and vulnerable state as she struggled with PPD, and instead of trying to reassure her or encourage her to get help, Jessie dumped gas onto the fire. She fed into the wife’s PPD with accusations of cheating and encouraged the wife’s PPD to grow into what sounds to me like full blown postpartum psychosis, and it ended up costing the wife her life. Jessie is an evil, evil, EVIL person for saying such poisonous things and encouraging the insecurities of a woman that she KNEW was suffering and in a fragile state. Now OP is a widower who’s final memories of his late wife are of her assaulting him and screaming at him on his parents front lawn, and his poor daughter has to not only grow up without her mother, but will also one day find out that her birth triggered the PPD that would eventually lead to her mother’s death. The in laws are NUTS if they think keeping contact with Jessie after what she did to their daughter is good idea. For the sake of his daughter, OP needs to keep him and his daughter FAR away from his in-laws. Because as long as they’re still in contact with Jessie, they will NOT be safe people for his daughter to be around.
Best is to get a restraining order, then find out what lies she has told the late wife. If the lies are disproven it'll come to light she led to the wife's suicide and in a way killed her. She tore a family apart and now she's trying hard to paint OP as the evil one. It still amazes me people like this exist in the world today. PS: if there's evidence she lied about what has happened, she CAN face a Level 3 felony which carries a sentence of 3-16 years in prison. If she's proven, she's also a shit mother as she inadvertently left her kids without a mom for x amount of years if she's convicted.
Agreed. That witch is dangerous and the in-laws are nut to still trust her. I hope it worth if it mean losing a chance to see their granddaughter growing up.
@@alinasanchez278 agreed. If they want to believe the tormentor "best friend" over a string of lies she made that led to their daughter's suicide, don't be surprised if that strains the relationship so badly they won't ever get to see their granddaughter. They're enabling the manipulative friend to ruin their son in law's life over a fabrication of facts. It's sad that the wife believes her lying friend over her husband after so much evidence proving his innocence. But we can't fault her cause the friend kept fanning those worries and played with the PPD too much. I hope OP and his daughter are doing ok and when the time is right, she understands why her mom was gone for all these years. And I sincerely do hope that OP is considering looking into long term restraining orders on that witch and to possibly look at a criminal investigation on the friend.
The wife is not much better than the friend. The friend fueled the fire, the wife still assaulted her husband and tried to kill her own daughter just to hurt him for something he never did.
Story 1: the last part got me a bit, I grew up without knowing one of my grandpas, he passed the year my parents got married. The best thing that OP can do for his kids is to share all the stories as his kids ask or if they do something he did as a kid and tell them about it as they do an activity he did with his dad.
*First OP:* I've heard this story on another channel. It's a sad story all around. *Second OP:* I'm at a loss for words. I agree that OP needs to stay far away from Jessie, and hopefully, his in-laws will come around as well.
Sarah was so selfish that she honestly thought her father would forgive her. When she realized how wrong she was, she cracked. I hope she learns from this experience.😢
She spent years trying to make amends, it's not just "she thought he'd forgive her on his own". Her dad was being selfish and cared more about his wounded ego than how he was psychologically hurting his own daughter and the grand children he selfishly chose to never meet, not caring about the emotional dammage he did right down to even AFTER his death. All because of a single mistake Sarah here did, and spent years trying to make up for. No, the father's treatment of her and his unseen grandkids was honestly terrible, and the fact she hurt him once and tried real hard to make up for it for years, didn't give him the right to hurt her continously to the point he even went out of his way to be cruel and spiteful to her AFTER his death.
Yeah your wrong. He didn't have to forgive her for what she did. She had the freedom to choose who walked her down the isle, it wasn't something he was okay with so he exercised his freedom to not show up. Your painting him as the bad guy when daughter did nothing but hurt him. Sometimes people just get pushed too far and they break. Don't go calling him selfish not wanting to reconcile. She got to choose who walked her down the isle and he got to choose who saw him before he died. She's an asshole who can't accept the consequences of her actions.
@@wickedblade4751 forreal. Sarah chose her own fate. She turned her back on her father and shoved the most painful moment of his life back in his face. Letting the man who cheated with your mother on your father walk you down the aisle is a different kind of stupid/evil.
@@WeirdWonderfulLOL. Sarah made her bed,Now she has to lay in it. Some mistakes just can't be forgiven. No one is entitled to forgiveness. The father is allowed to determine whether what Sarah did is forgivable or not. Sarah has no right to complain and be upset that she decided that a cheater was her father. She stopped being his daughter when she chose to invite another man to walk her down the aisle with him. Sarah gets no sympathy from me
@@WeirdWonderfulFun how you miss that she slept with his 'best friend' who was like a brother to him. So was he supposed to forgive such betrayal because 'she will feel bad'? Sorry but no. 'Trying to make ammends' won't stop the fact she is sleeping with his worst enemy. If she has any dignity, she will understand and accept that the moment you support an enemy of your family member, you are also their enemy as well. He wasn't selfish. He was *Fair.* Any claims of contrary are a tentative to excuse and justify bad actions. She would never think that her hubby was in the wrong. Just think about that.
I have to say, I absolutely love these r/bestof videos. They really interesting to listen to, since the multiple updates make these stories seem like the reader/listener is learning about the stories as they are happening.
I can't help but wonder what would have happened if op's wife in the second story got the baby like she wanted. If she would have felt better or if she had taken the baby with her in her suicide. I feel really sorry for her, but op definitely did the right thing in not letting her take the baby. I hope their lives gets better from now on.
Murder-suicide. One hundred percent. She had the baby for the majority of the time she was depressed and she didn't feel better, so giving her the baby in that moment very likely wouldn't have made her feel better, either. It sounds very much like her plan was to drive into the tree with baby in the car.
Honestly her parents killed her by being in denial about her mental state. She should not have been left alone period, let alone be driving. Anyone totally shutting down like she did after breaking OPs nose is a suicide risk. Not to mention her full on psychotic delusions. No suicide happens without signs.
My first thought is that she had already decided to commit suicide and wanted to kill herself and their daughter together. It's definitely not unheard of for a parent to kill their child when committing suicide.
The mom in story #2 was suffering from what is now classified as postpartum psychosis. It's the extreme end of postpartum depression. It's a tragic thing for anyone to go through. 😔
Second story, Jessie has no right to anything anymore. Her motives don't matter. She destroyed several families. Left OP's daughter without a mother, left OP without their love, and left a family without a daughter. She's a monster Edit: A horrible thought just hit me. The reason she wanted to take the baby with her was possibly because she was going commit a murder-suicide with her child.
People in the comments of the Reddit post have said that’s what PPD makes you want to do. Like, depression has the voice talking you into killing your self, but with PPD, the voice is telling you to end it and take the baby with you. Jesse forced her to listen to that voice and block out her husband and any rationality.
At the same time. We truly don't know what she was gonna do, maybe instead she took her own life because she couldn't have the child and thought of herself as a failure. But at the same time I see that being a possibility. I have no idea why Jessie is in the public, that woman should be in prison.
I really feel for OP in the first story. I also lost my dad to pancreatic cancer six years ago. I was sixteen. Mourning the experiences that you'll never have hits you like a fucking truck, especially because it's a grief nobody really tells you to expect. I was studying for physics last semester and something about the notes I was taking suddenly made me realize all of the things I'll never get to do with him. I'll never get to tell him about my fun projects at school. I'll never get to bond with him over nerdy engineering stuff like my sister did. He'll never walk me down the aisle, never fly another paper airplane with me, never send flowers on any important occasion again, and never see me graduate college. I raced to finish high school in hopes that he'd see that graduation and it didn't happen. So many milestones have gone by since he passed and it is so unfair that he couldn't be here for them. I'm glad OP got the chance to share at least some of those milestones with their dad.
I know this is an older video, but my god, that first story was the first time I've ugly cried listening to an r/slash video. I just have no words. I guess it just really makes you think about the choices you make in life. Sarah's bizarre hill to die on will haunt her forever & it's something that she will never get back. She had the opportunity to share a beautiful moment with her dad. I'm blessed to have my parents, and my dad walking me down the aisle, our father daughter dance, and the beautiful speech my dad gave at my wedding are memories that I will hold in my heart forever. I just cannot wrap my head around with what Sarah might have been thinking. As r/slash said, the dad sounds like a pretty incredible dad, so I cannot fathom why she would do that to him. And now, there's no going back, no making amends, and she'll have to live with that forever. I guess it makes you really consider the choices you make in life. Just wow, what a tragically heartbreaking story. Thanks for sharing that and making me ugly cry, r/slash
It may be an older video but you're not the only one rewatching. The first story hits me hard because I was abandoned by my bio father after he cheated on my mom. My mom married my step dad and he was my hero, my world. I was such a big daddies girl it was ridiculous. My daddy passed away when I was 14 and my heart broke. I had images of him walking be down the aisle of helping me when my kids frustrate me, everything. I can't imagine how someone could turn their back on parents like that. The dad in the story sounds like how my daddy was, kind, caring, loving, and whole heartedly devoted. I can't believe a daddies girl would turn her back like that.
@@kheldaur2107 Well. You are technically right. VIA it wasn't direct stabbing or poisoning... Also the title is wrong. Since it makes it out to be the 2nd story's Poster, not the wife's friend. But, by all logic, "Jessie" caused her (the wife) to die. And did more than such... Endangered a child...
Holy fuck Jessie is a monster...how did the in-laws not see she was deliberately trying to ruin OP and their daughter's marriage and drove her the wife to ending her own life?
No, it was her dad chosing to deny his grandkids even meeting him or even his daughter to say goodbye on his deathbed, despite years of attempts on her side to make ammends. It's not like she came back after neglecting him for years, she tried and he chose to be stubborn, cruel and ultimately self centered. No one should be so petty over wounded pride they purposefully shut out their own grandchildren out of their life, or worse, deny their own child to say goodbye before they pass. It was just a very cruel and selfish way for him to continually punish her and her children for a single mistake she spent years trying to make up for, but which he was too prideful to move past. That's NOT na enviable character trait.
@@WeirdWonderfulsometimes family is just family in name only. It's not about the single decision. That decision was the final straw. Years of emotional pain built over time. And she finally gets to feel what he felt all of that time. Her children and her will be financially set, he made sure of that. But she is NOT entitled to his emotions after all of that pain.
@@darkriku12 "Years of emotional pain built over time. " Yes, they did, for her. And are his grandchildren "entitled" to never be allowed to meet their grandfather, to be literally punished for something they never did and which happened before they were born ? And is she "entitled" to being the only one not allowed to see him on his literal death bed ? Do you not see the cruel, vindictive pettiness and self centered arrogance of this all ?
I've had the unfortunate experience of crossing someone like Jessie myself - though not as such an extreme case as this. Their abuse spirals outwards, often to an epic scale. At this point, I'm convinced the only real treatment/cure is removing their access to society - in every way, shape and form... One room with a door welded shut and a void to screech into.
A thing about story 2, that is really chilling, is that the wife probably wanted to take the baby, so that she could have included infanticide in her suicide. If the OP hadn't stood his ground, he would very likely have been more than a widower now. That poor poor woman. Her mind must have been in complete scrambles.
God that last story was hard to listen to. I hope OP and his daughter can get that awful person out of their life forever and hopefully get the healing they both need.
I hope they get her out of life period. She deserves to die or at least be locked up for good for the utterly vile things she did. What goes around comes around and karma will come for Jessie.
That first story really killed me. I lost my dad a couple weeks before my high school graduation. so that frustration that you’ll never have your father figure/ best friend around for the important moments really sucks.
Let me start this off with one thing, I do not sympathize with Jessie in any way. Ruining someone else's marriage because you want to be the Great Rat Detective is never something I will side with. But if your partner is having doubts about you, please don't always take it as a lack of trust. Sometimes, especially in situations like this with PPD but in other cases too, the brain keeps overworking itself and making conclusions where there is correlation instead of basing itself on trust. It's an anxiety response, so it doesn't always make sense. Please have patience and show love, because if they're that worried, they love you too
When does it stop though? If they just give the cold shoulder and refuse to get help from therapy, it won't get better. Should OP have just lived with it, or would there have been a better option?
That last story took a major turn I was not expecting. I pray OP and his daughter can find peace in the comings months. I hope his in-laws can take their blinders off and see Jesse for the toxic, manipulative person she is. Cheating allegations aside, who in their right mind leaves a child, an infant home alone. A very sad situation.
When I read the last story my original thoughts were that Jesse was in love with OP's wife and she was trying to drive a wedge between them. Hearing you read it really solidifies it in my brain. What a monster
Sarah doesn't feel regret because she truly feels bad about what she did to her father. she feels regret because she is literally facing the consequences of her actions. the fact that she waited the day before to tell him this is what she was going to do. Tells you everything you need to know. she knew it was wrong, she knew it was going to upset her father, and she did it anyway. and now she has to live with that for the rest of her life. Period and good. She absolutely deserves that
Story 1: I hope OP has friends who are also parents so he can get advice and help being a parent. Also 8:40; John was attending his own funeral? ;D Story 2: "Working overtime and going to therapy is a sign of cheating and signs are 100% proof!!" Jessie is toxic person of the highest caliber deliberately and maliciously manipulating people. She shouldn't have any business speaking or even attending the wife's funeral. "You're not the only person who loved her!" Of course, but SHE's definitely one of them.
I'm so glad OP didn't let his wife take the baby. It's very likely she would have killed their daughter too. I'm not saying she was evil, I'm saying she was sick and not thinking clearly. My older sister had PPD once, and it was a really scary time. We had to watch both her and the kids like a hawk while her husband worked; she ended up spending some time in a mental hospital because she was a danger to herself and her kids, especially the new babies. This story is heartbreaking, but it could have been so much worse if OP hadn't put his foot down.
That last story was horrifying, as someone who can give birth any day now and has a history of PPD. For Jesse to take advantage and manipulate someone in such a vulnerable state is disgusting. I'm so thankful that I'm forward about my past and my husband is very aware in case something similar happens with me. We are hoping that my PPD will not be as bad this time because I have lost a few and he lost a son, none made it to full term till the one we are having together that is kicking as I write this. I hope something is done about Jesse and that no one here has to go through what OP's wife went through.
I really feel for OP in the first story. My grandma was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer throughout her body in 2020. She adored all of her grandchildren, and being around for great grandchildren was on her bucket list. She passed away this year a couple months after I found out that I'm pregnant. Our baby is the first grandchild on both sides of the family, and would be her first great grandchild. I'm glad she's not suffering anymore, but it kills me that she didn't get to meet my baby.
I can’t even begin to believe the amount of pure evil that must be in someone for them to drive someone to suicide and then want to speak at their funeral. To cause someone already at a low point so much emotional distress that they become a shadow of themself, to the point where they eventually decide their life is not worth living anymore and then stand there pretending to be a friend, pretending to be grieving the person whose death they caused. Unbelievable, I can only hope the child didn’t realize what was happening.
that last story literally brought me to tears. ppd is a horrible mental illness and the thought of having to watch someone spiral into delusions and depression is bad enough. let alone watching someone you love and adore go through that is heartbreaking.
He tried but they didn't want to hear and lose jessie too. Which is bad behavior in my book. They are turning a blind eye to the one who actually hurt their daughter the most
@@dardarbinks3391 I hope they at least don't believe that OP cheated on his wife. The last thing he needs in this situation is to get CPS involved and be under threat of having his daughter taken away from him.
2nd Story: Jessie killing OP's wife strongly resembles an experience I was told by whom I consider a murderer. The murderer is my female adopted parental figure, long story short it married it cousin who was a schizophrenic. The schizophrenic has repeatedly asked he'd get medical attention but it always denied or outright ignored by saying "if you believe hard enough, god will cure you one day." The poor bastard hung himself in the garage, which I'd consider the most public yet semi private area of a house it was clearly a statement which anyone and everyone would have to walk by. Even in the very end he wanted to express how hurt he was yet, it was in competition with the deceased on whom recieved more attention, it's sister was tending to the deceased trying to take him down trying to see if he was still alive while it sat and cried in anger.
Honestly she either never cared for your father, or she had fundamental misunderstanding of God's will and forms of operations. While it is true God can and will perform miracles if they are NEEDED, or a point needs to be made, he does not do them off mere want and request. This is because he understands that coddling his children will not help them to grow up to be health autonomous adults. To facilitate healthy independent growth he gave us the means to make medication so we are not chained to him and can operate on our own to find our own paths. Her denying your Father's treatment, if anything, was a slap in the face in order of: God, your Father and you. If you can stomach it, please ensure that she understands this and reflects upon her actions. She has caused so much unneeded harm, and have no doubt God is displeased to say the least.
Just gonna take a minute to pour one out for OP’s dad in story 1 (may that man rest in peace) here in the comments. Mr. OP’s father, you sound like you were one hell of a man. May those whose lives you touched never stop feeling the value of your presence, and may your descendants continue to carry on the best parts of you.
Honestly I hope op can come to terms with the fact that it's Jessie's manipulation and the ppd that gave his wife doubts. I hope he can remember her and their love as it was before the depression hit. That wasn't the real her. Jessie was a vile human being to feed this misery. The wifes therapist was hopeless too.
Story 2: Do not worry about hurting your relationship with your in-laws. They are pushing so hard for the devil who whispered lies in your wife's ear to speak at the funeral so drop them. She was your wife, so legally you should still be in charge of the arrangements and such. Jesse made her bed, she can sleep in it.
Story 2: I completely agree with R/, I would never want to see someone that drove any of my loved ones to suicide the way she did. If there was ever a hill to die on this is it. OP, I'm sorry for everything you went through and still going through. I hope things get better for you soon, and even though what's your wife did is next to, if not completely unforgivable, I hope you can still remember her as the woman you fell in love with. Not saying that she shouldn't take any blame, but when someone's in a vulnerable state and they have a demon in their ear they do terrible things.
The last story the friend Jesse is possible one of them evil manipulative people ever, but it’s frightening to think what would of happened if OP allowed his wife to take their baby.
The last story: No need to avoid going to the funeral. He’s the husband. He calls the shots. Jesse would be banned from coming to the funeral. Funeral home security would make sure she wasn’t allowed in and would call the police to trespass her. No muss, no fuss. The mourning in-laws could visit the little girl as long as it was in your home and supervised by the widower. The widower should tell the grieving in-laws that they have to friend him on all social media so he can make sure no pics are shared online of his daughter. As long as the in-laws follow those rules there should be no problems
story 1: a sorta similar situation happened to my family. we lost my grandfather last week, 8 weeks after his (terminal) cancer diagnosis. the funeral was yesterday. loads of people showed up, way more than expected. at the end of the memorial service, when everyone walks past the coffin to say goodbye, i saw my mom's sister, who we havent spoken to in a couple years after her then new boyfriend insulted my mom in a drunken state and my aunt defended her boyfriend. we were all quite shocked to see her there, but it was with good intentions. they hugged and cried and talked and now they are thinking of meeting up sometime to catch up and even reconcile :)
Jessie is a genuinely evil person and it wouldn't surprise me if she manipulated and gaslit OP's wife for most if not the entirety of their "friendship". She's not sad about her friend dying, she's upset she no longer has a plaything to torment.
some people just don't deserve their organs
THIS FUCKING THIS. She’s pure fucking evil
@@Nerobyrne China can take care of this
Not only that, in the funeral she will blame OP.
I wonder how much of that "You're not the only one who loved her" was a sincere "I was in love with your wife and tried to get her to leave you" comment
The fact Sarah waited until the last second to let her dad know her plans for walking her down the isle proves she knew what she was doing was wrong.
Some things just can’t be forgiven
That regret is probably gonna drive her to suicide sadly
@@Silk.Web2I doubt Sarah thought that far ahead
More likely that she needed the dad's money.
@@aleahlrbExactly. She's horrible.
The fact the wife wanted to bring the BABY WITH HER to die is honestly terrifying
Or did she die because she couldn't get the baby. We will never know
@@dudeorduuude5211 You make a good point. That could be true, too. I immediately assumed she planned to kill the baby along with herself. However, it's possible that when she wasn't trusted with her own baby, she felt like a failure as a mother and became overwhelmed. As you said, we will never know.
@@jaimedritt4622 sounded like she was psychotic and should have been in a hospital and on medication. Very sad.
From the story of my parents splitting up, this makes it 2 times I've heard of parents demanding they get the baby but having no idea where they were going to take said baby/if they were going to go anywhere besides off a bridge.
The fact i've now heard about it twice sounds like it's more common than people would know
@@dudeorduuude5211 yeah I was betting on that
God it sounds like post partum depression that's progressed into post partum psychosis, that her 'friend' fed into a terrible psychiatric illness. She shouldn't have ever been allowed to progress so far. What a heartbreaking story. As soon as she was depressed she should have had intensive care, and when she abandoned the baby was the time for a hospital stay.
Jesse murdered her
that "friend" is just a degenerate horrid person for planting seeds of her partner cheating and making up excuses for no good reason. i hope she rots in hell and suffers for the rest of her misserable existenceknowing she murdered her own friend and put her friends husband in such a horrible place she can die a slow painful death for all i fucking care
Jessie is the schadenfreude type, I've seen them before.
a sociopathic monster
I had PPP. It was the worst and most terrifying thing I have ever been through.
I was thinking this as well. Jesse may have watered the plants but the seeds were already planted. OPs wife legitimately went off the deep end, and I wouldn’t be surprised at all if she had planned to take her daughters life right before her own.
That second story is just pure evil. The signs are all there. The sickness, the fear and paranoia were a seed planted by Jessie into the fertile soil of OP's wife's depression. What kind of sick, twisted person does that to their friend? What did she have to gain?
Nothing except entertainment
Jessie sounds bitter and alone since she's got a lot of time on her hands to meddle with the marriage of two good people trying to be new parents.
She was jealous and wanted her "friend" to be alone with her. Instead she took it further and got her killed. Wicked witch forreal.
A psychopath (by definition) gets pleasure in inflicting pain. Some people behave this way for fun. There are no consequences to them and they have fun controlling a puppet.
If Jessie is not a psychopath then she was/is a jealous and bitter individual. We'd need more context as to Jessie's lifestyle other than being a stay at home mom. Now I may be reading too much into this but OP said she's a mom, not a wife. If this is the case this is the primary reason Jessie destroyed OP's relationship. OP's wife had a husband that was looking after all of them while Jessie has no one to rely on and has to take care of her 2 kids.
@@Lordofthelosers01 *Sadist
Some people just want to watch the world burn.
Story 2. Tell the in laws to get their heads straight. That woman wasn't the wife's friends, she was her tormentor. She ruined that poor women's mind to the point she abandoned her child, assaulted her husband, then killed herself. Jessie killed their child out of probably some sick pleasure in seeing her suffer. If they keep her in their lives after that, I'd just drop them too and keep your daughter away. She'll probably try to see if she could do the same to the daughter when she's older.
There was actually an update from OP in the comments, although it's from an alt account so potentially fake, but in it OP says that the parents already knew about what had happened. They just didn't want to "lose Jessie too"
@@DoctorOaks if that’s a real update then the In laws suck too. I couldn’t imagine keeping someone who was basically responsible for my child’s death near me
Really? That's just pathetic of them to me.
@@DoctorOaks I think OP should tell the other in-laws (cousin in law, aunt-in-law etc.) About what Jessie did.
If the parents won't listen then the in-laws will have to snap them out of it or cut them off completely too, make them completely isolated only to have jessie to talk to if they like her that much
@@locusxe1411 They're already trash for not cutting off the person responsible for their daughter's death.
Jessie tries to break up OP's marriage with lies. Jessie says "You're not the only one who loved your wife" Hmmmmmmmm..... I believe this is what we call "motive".
Jessie is so evil.. can’t believe she did this omfg
@@goofyrat2938 And she got away with it. Don't forget that part.
@@MisterNightfishbecause legally, she didn’t commit a murder. There’s no laws against what she did.
But there is moral law against it. What she did was evil. She’ll get whatever is coming to her.
As a guy with possible depression (I'm looking for therapy), this is pure evil. It's worse when you realize that OP and his wife just had a baby. This witch made OP a single-father because of her ego. She got mad that OP wasn't a cheater, so she just kept doubling down until it was too late to undo the damage. This crap is the reason why I'm not sure I want to get married. Though, I really want to get married some day.
Story 2 : one of the most chilling parts is when the wife demands to take her daughter but refuses to see her under supervsion. It's as if she had made up her mind and was planning on taking her daughter with her. What a tragedy and what a disgusting "friend".
I've seen it happen a lot... a married woman hangs out with her single friends and eventually get a divorce because single life looks so much more fun. But Jessie is pure evil, deliberately trying to cause the divorce with her unfounded accusations of cheating and manipulating OP's wife.
I agree. The wife was definitely planning to take the baby with her.
She should have taken Jessie with her.
She was.
Glad I wasn't the only one that picked up on that.
For story 2: the wife was clearly suffering from an extreme mental breakdown due to her postpartum depression, and it also didn’t help that she had another person screaming in her ear, saying that her husband was being unfaithful… It’s just really sad to see because all of this could’ve been avoided if Jessie was not in the picture at all. It’s so obvious to me that Jesse was taking advantage of the wife’s deteriorating mental state for her own selfish gain!
What gain?! What did she even gain from driving her friend to suicide?
@@mr.x991some people enjoy watching peoples life get ruined especially when they help cause it. Kinda like how home wreckers enjoy splitting up families.
@@mr.x991control
@@mr.x991 some people have such low self control, that just the dopamine hit from gossiping is a gain. I wouldn’t be surprised if the reason she was in the car on the night she died was because of something Jessie said.
First story: the craziest part to me is that after everything the best friend done to the dad he wouldn't back down from walking his stepdaughter down the aisle. He was the man's best friend and stole his wife and was actively stealing his daughter and thought I deserve to walk her down the aisle. What a piece of crap
And that's why I don't feel bad for Sarah or any of them. I hope they suffer for all eternity. People have killed for less.
He wasn't dad's best friend. He was his worst enemy.
@@virtualatheist unfortunately I have to disagree with you on that, an enemy can’t betray you, but a friend absolutely can.
They started as their best friend and became their worst enemy, the dad went scorched earth
And don't forget, after all he did he still had the gall to show up at his funeral.
Story 2: Honestly sounds more like postpartum psychosis than postpartum depression and seems like Jessie fed into it for her own sadistic reasons (like she's a psychopath or was trying to break up the marriage for some reason). Like a few people in the comments have said, I wouldn't be surprised if OP's wife was there to get the baby for a murder/suicide. In her mental state, if she was truly convinced OP was cheating on her, then she might've been driven to murder his baby as a form of punishment.
I think Jessie was in love with the wife.
Jessie is probably both a psychopath and a narcissist, as she has a lot of the symptoms of both. She saw OP's wife as a plaything and a source of narcissistic supply to feed her ego, so she was only upset about the wife's death because she couldn't torture her anymore. OP should find a way to get her the death penalty and on the day of her execution tell her to say high to her boss when she gets back to where she came from.
I didn't have postpartum psychosis, but during my first pregnancy I had pregnancy-induced psychosis.
It was no joke. I was convinced I had rabies and no one could talk me out of it.
Dark time in my life.
I wrote a goodbye love letter to my husband because I was convinced for months that I was about to die from it.
Cried myself to sleep night after night.
Seriously depressed.
After my son was born it was like coming out of a fog.
I can't imagine how bad it would have gotten if the people in my life fed into my delusions.
There's a special place in hell for her. Where she'll be raped nonstop!
@@SinisterScoundrel6562 Normally I would say a massive whoa to a comment like this. However, this is one of the very few times where the person it targets completely deserves it.
Story 1: I don't know what Sarah was gonna expect. She decided to let a cheater walk her down the aisle, and it broke everyone's hearts. Now she gotta live with the consequences.
I can understand and not blame her for
1. choosing to stay with mom. She's 3 and probably doesn't understand it. She just choose the one that close to her.
2. The career path. Well, sometimes you change your mind.
But the wedding part is the unforgiveable one, she also kept it secret until the very last minute.
Agreed! Sarah made that bed and now she has to lay in it!
@@ReigoVassal where it says she was 3? Also according to the story either ways, her dad seems closer to her, that's the deal of being a daddy's girl
@@ReigoVassal if she was gonna choose someone close then it should of been the dad!
Maybe she thought her parents would grow up, and let her be happy. She expected them to put their children first, not the other issue.
Story 2: I heard of evil friends, but goddamn. Jessie puts even the evilest criminals to shame. She fed lies to his wife, and then KILLED HER, albeit indirectly. I don't know what the f*ck is she trying to accomplish here, but OP needs to make the in-laws understand what she did to OP'S wife, and forbid her from even showing up.
She clearly wanted the wife all to herself. She wanted to be the literal only person in the world to the wife. But yeah, the in-laws were always going to pick Jessie, the childhood friend they knew as a literal infant, over some man they suspect of cheating and driving their daughter to suicide.
It could also just be typical feminist projection. The people that accuse others of cheating and being abusive are usually abusive cheaters. Their narcissism knows no bounds when it comes to blaming the world for their troubles and never, even for a second, does the concept that they manufactured their own misery even enter their mind. They lie to themselves, truly believing in the fiction they spin in their head and expecting everyone else to back them up as innocent victims. See also: Amber Heard
I feel like Jessie should be charged with man slaughter. Thought I'm not sure if that's possible. Still one of these days Jessie's in for hell weather literal or metaphorical remains to be seen.
@@agentzapdos4960 I heard one theory that Jesse may have actually been a lesbian, and all these accusations were her attempt to get them to divorce, so Jesse could be with the wife. This mainly comes from the line: “your not the only one who loved your wife.” Which insinuates that Jessie loved her in a similar way to the OP, however, the line could have been said differently in the post than what actually happened, but this is most likely what Jessie had said to the OP. If this theory is correct, she probably wanted to look like the one who “saved the poor naive wife from her terrible cheating husband,” which is even more of an asshole move than if their relationship was just platonic.
@@Allo-001 either way she should be locked up
Edit: if you loved somebody in s romantic way albeit a crush or a relationship gaslighting and enabling their depression to give them a fast line to suicidal tendencies and then the act it self
I would go first at the funeral and then introduce Jessie as the woman who tried to convinced my wife I was having an affair and drove her to be in the casket behind me through her words and actions.
This. If she thinks she can hop up there and say a sob story where she’ll most likely STILL try to blame OP, he should tell everyone what she did before she even opens her mouth. She doesn’t deserve to play the grieving best friend.
Treat it like a lawyer speaking at a trial. Cutting facts and kicking ass. Then sue for emotional distress and wrongful death
I think the only reason Jessie told OP in the first place that she was intending on speaking was because she knew he would refuse. This way, she can cry and whine and get the wife’s parents on her side too. And as a bonus, if anyone asks why she isn’t speaking (since she’s crying to everyone about not being able to talk at her best friend’s funeral), she can tell them “OP doesn’t want me to talk because he knows that I know.” Etc.
Story 2: I don't know if this was the result of jealousy or some serious delusion (or both), but Jessie was basically trying to ruin both OP and the wife by feeding really heartbreaking lies. OP needs to put a restraining order against Jessie, and Jessie needs to go to a psychiatrist.
Jessie is Satan in disguse..
They have a ro already filed but the wife ended her life as a result of ppd
I say Jessie needs to be arrested, what she did was really wrong. Does this even count as murder? There is a link that can connect Jessie to Op's wife's passing.
@@celestiafanforever unfortunately Jessie can't be held criminally accountable for her death as she didn't personally kill her. However, OP can take Jessie to civil court and sue her for everything she's got and then some.
I think Jessie was in love with OP's wife...and out of jealousy and rage ruined OP's life, and it seems like she's trying to do it through the Inlaws now.
Story 2: I believe that Jesse's statement of "not the only one who loved your wife" was literally and she was trying to separate OP's wife to be with her as she was in love with OP's wife, but she pushed it to the limit and ended up killing OP's wife
If that is what she said word for word then I would agree. Not saying OP is lying just that the words may have been slightly different but carried the same meaning. I do agree though, with that sentence, it looked like Jessie wanted to get with OP's wife. Wish they could have cut jessie out sooner before tragedy struck.
@@dragonsteamworks6675 definitely, just giving the benefit of doubt (how unwarranted it may be) because words can already change meaning when paraphrased by someone else so aside from an audio recording of jessie saying it i would put an asterisk on the statement as potentially damning. the issue of languages makes it that i can't take that quote at face value regardless how much i'd want to, either way it's a completely f-up situation that that woman drove op's wife to suicide regardless of her intentions for the manipulations and lies, imho the woman's a murderer. (and probably some combination between a sociopath and a narcicist)
Yeah I had the exact same thought.
At first I thought she was going after OP, but that convinced me otherwise.
Either way, she deserves the ultimate punishment.
i was thinking this or she loved OP and wanted the wife out of the picture
That came to my mind as well when I read that statement.
Story 2: The husband needs to get a restraining order against Jessie and then attend the funeral. That way she can't come or she'll get arrested.
He needs to tell everyone in a way where the parents can't stop him
But realistically what would the restraining order be issued for. I don’t think you can get a restraining order because you don’t like someone. Can you?
@@spongebobsjellyfish Probably for "Child Desertion and Abandonment" or something, though it would be tough to prove as the other witness is literally dead. Well, not only is she dead, but she would have taken Jessie's side because she was not well.
@@spongebobsjellyfish OP can file for slander and liable as well...since SHE (Jessie) is the one accusing OP of cheating.
Wouldn’t work that way. A restraining order works both ways. You must avoid each other. If OP shows up to a place he KNOWS Jessie will be, Jessie can use that and get the restraining order nulled. Depending on the area they live if OP is the one who violates the order, he can be charged with a felony instead. This is to ensure one cannot abuse a restraining order to get the other party fired or removed from their own home.
I’ve never been so angry about a reddit story before as the last one. Jessie intruded on their life and emotionally abused and manipulated a depressed person, pushing her to commit suicide. Jessie is evil and deserves a prison sentence. I can’t believe that this actually happened. I hope the redditor can recover from this
I agree. She should be in prison for manipulating someone who was mentally ill.
story 2: postpartum depression is just brutal. When my brother was born, my grandmother(dad's side) tripped and fell on her way to meet her grandson, who was admitted to the same hospital. Dad had to leave my mom's side to attend to his mother which triggered her postpartum depression. He wasn't gone for long. I couldn't blame any of my parents. But 16 years on when I was curious and asked, it made my mom cry... it is heartbreaking...
Having Jessie FEEDING all those false information to op's wife enrages me. A mother having postpartum depression is already fragile enough, but to spew accusations on no basis at all, that women murdered op's wife without the wife herself knowing.
she deserves a special place in hell.
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In story 2, the fact that Jessie said "you weren't the only one that loves her" means to me that she was feeling romantic feelings for the wife and fed the wife lies to split her and the OP up. This went all wrong and the wife ended up killing herself, now Jessie is putting on a mask and saying that none of this was her fault and acting all innocent to the in-laws. Absolutely sickening because I've met a person like this.
Yeah that’s sort of where my mind went too. I guess there’s not really a point to trying to mentally dissect the mind of someone evil like this but I can’t think if any other reason she’d go that far to break them up. Maybe there is no reason but “you’re not the only one who loved her” sure sounds like she has something for the wife
Jessie never loved the wife. She can't love anyone. Narcissists aren't capable of love. Jessie only saw OP's wife as a source of entertainment and ego boost and only pretended to be sad because she lost her narcissistic supply and didn't want to be revealed for the demon that she is. Jessie deserves nothing and no one and will die alone before suffering for eternity in the same pit of Hell she crawled out of.
@@JayoftheCanadianPath She could be a narcissist, however her actions are also in-line with non-narcissist behavior.
@@JayoftheCanadianPath I believe you're reffering to a seperate mental illness. Narcissists do have the capacity to feel love, real love, and they also have the capacity to get better. Complete and total apathy and murderous intentions are not symptoms of npd. Sorry for kind of nitpicking, but this has been a common misconception that can be harmful
@@JayoftheCanadianPath y'all just start throwing diagnosis around, ridiculous
Story 2 made me so sick. Jessie manipulated OP's wife into literally cracking like an egg, becoming destructive and a danger to herself and others (Im shocked she wasn't honestly put in the hospital for that, considering that she busted OP's nose with one punch). And ON TOP OF THAT, the wife wanted to pick up the kid right before she killed herself, so that makes me believe she was going to try to take her out too. The wife wanted OP to feel so much guilt that he would become as fucked up as Jessie manipulated her to be. It's so frustrating to me, and I honestly hope Jessie rots in hell for preying on a poor mentally ill woman like that. Disgusting beyond words.
Jessie was a demon in a human form. She brought Hell to this family. So rotting in Hell, wouldnt be punishment enough for her...
S1: how couldn't she think that her bio dad walking down the aisle with the person who stabbed his back and literally destroyed his family was a good idea.
S2: was not expecting that ending. Do the parents not know the friend was the one who filled her daughter's head with ideas WHILE having PPD? It's the only explanation I can think of, because it's easy to connect the dots there
S1; maybe she mistakenly believed her father would put his old grudge out of his mind for the sake of his daughter getting to spend her wedding with both her Dads. She had to choose between her parents when she was just a 9/10 year old little girl, and he held her choice against her for the rest of his life. Is it any wonder she ended up closer to her stepfather? He probably actually treated her well.
@@themartinebunny it was a really stupid thing to do because she was manipulated and just by reading the story you could tell what kind of shitty people her mother and stepfather are
@@themartinebunny it's never said anywhere that he held the decision she made as a child against her for the rest of her life. the OP, Sarah's twin, stated that the first time the father had gotten mad at Sarah for such a decision was on the night of the wedding when she sprung- OUT OF NOWHERE- that they'd both be walking her down the aisle. Plus, OP specifically said that he spoiled Sarah MORE after she decided to live with them, and that OP only knew something was wrong with the dad because he overheard him crying himself to sleep. Not once does it say he emotionally manipulated Sarah by forcing her to choose between them anywhere before the wedding- in which case, it was more manipulation on Sarah's part to give her father the impression that he'd be walking her down the aisle, only to last minute tell him that it was both him and John in order to trap him in the decision.
Reminder that at that point, they would've done wedding rehearsals with just the dad walking her down the aisle, or else he would've figured out way earlier on that John AND him would be going down the aisle together.
That's just a scummy thing to do full stop. The dad had every right to cut her out of his life after that. Especially since it was clear Sarah knew about the things John had done to him and still chose to force her father into a corner on a decision that he was clearly very passionate about. Their dad had every right to cut her out after she had broken his heart. Just like how you do with friends who hurt you, or partners who hurt you. Why should he be expected to treat Sarah the same when she decided to revive trauma for him?
I feel like the only reason people are defending Sarah is because of the misconception that cheaters can still be good parents (this is true, my dad used to be a cheater when he was younger) and thus, should be given a pass when it comes to taking care of children. But no. John is more than a cheater, he's a backstabber to his CHILDHOOD FRIEND and he destroyed and traumatised OP's father. OP's father should not be expected to compromise for someone like that. If someone traumatised you by destroying your family and crumbling your mental state by a horrible betrayal- no matter what that betrayal was, if it was stealing a family heirloom, cheating, spreading rumours behind your back, hurting someone you care about- you should not be expected to keep the people connected to that person in your life. Sarah and her mother were both connected to John. He cut the mother out of his life. And that argument was the push he needed to cut Sarah out of his life so that he could finally move on. As he should.
We would say the same thing about someone cutting out a sibling who was connected to abusive parents, or a friend who was connected to a scumbag ex-boyfriend. "bUt FaMiLy" is not an argument here.
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I really feel for the OP of the second story. I hope they update us on how they will deal with that sick monster disguised as a human. If this happened to one of my friends or family members I would flip my lid and dig them into a hole so deep they could never climb out of it! this is just sad. I hope OP can get through this time with his baby girl. He's going to need all the support he can get.
Story 2: Jessie is beyond the Disney Villain level of evil. She is the devil himself. She took a woman who was already going through postpardem and twisted her emotions so hard that they would believe every lie she said. She ruined OP's marriage, damaged his wife's mind beyond repair, and stole an innocent baby's mother. OP should sue her, file a restraining order against her, move to another town, and let his former in-laws know that their decision to support the idea of Jessie speaking at his wife's funeral had cost them from ever having a relationship with their grandchild.
I just want to know what Jessie's motives were. Surely after seeing her friend suffer mentally because of her manipulations would have made her realise what she was doing was wrong.
Remember the saying misery loves company I believe that would be motive number one
Well narcissists don’t really care about consequences or who they hurt in the processes of the evil things they do.
some people get so trapped in there delusions that they cant see strait
Some people are just plain evil, Jessie probably has some type of personality disorder.
If she's not a genuine sociopath that takes joy from seeing how she can manipulate others, then my guess would honestly be just plain boredom. It's mentioned that she's a SAHM, so she probably has nothing better to do than sniff out drama or create it if there's none there. She's also probably a narcisist who thinks she can never be wrong; so if she thinks that OP was cheating of COURSE he must be cheating because there's no way she could be mistaken, and proving that she's right becomes way more important than the wife's mental health. The best that can be said is that if this is the case then at least it wasnt her intention to drive the wife to suicide, but it only downgrades her crime from murder to manslaughter.
Story 2: Sue Jesse, she undermined Op's marriage. She put thoughts into the wife's head and made her think that her husband was cheating when he was not. She got her so wound up that she attacked and hurt her husband, after leaving their child alone in the house crying. She needs more than therapy, and Jesse needs to leave Op's family alone permanently because she's just a homewrecker!
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Now that I've heard the outcome of this story, absolutely sue Jesse then cut all ties with her and the family get a restraining order against Jesse and leave just straight up leave. Leave the state or the country that Op in for somewhere else where Op and his daughter can live normally away from THAT.
Dont ruin the good name of Jesse Pinkman,this bitch is called Jessie
Pretty sure what Jessie did also still counts as murder. So a restraining order probably isn't enough. Which of course, could work both ways, and since Jessie has absolutely no morals, what stops her from pinning her actions on OP for that as it's clear she obviously hates OP. Well that all depends on if the driving into a tree was suicide or because she was too mentally spent she wasn't paying attention.
The problem is on what grounds? Like i agree with you 1000% but sadly you can't sue someone for possibly influencing someone's death. The courts would immediately rule this "suicide" and Jesse would have no consequences. You can't even get her for assisted suicide because you would have to proven she specifically egged her to kill her self. If OP's wife's phone survived the rash maybe there be something but we don't know that. This story just makes me sad and angry all at the same time, and I hope Mr. Luci has a special spot in the underworld saved just for her!
@@azmcpe4406 well there is slander but I don’t know if it could apply or some kind of mental abuse?
@@hellahothippo4861I'm no legal expert; so my word is certainly not law. However Slander (to my understanding) is simply damage to one's character/imagine in the eyes of other people. So Slander wouldn't apply here. Jesse didn't damage OP's imagine to other people. Her saying OP cheated didn't hurt anyone outside of Op and his wife.
Mental abuse may be possible, however it may be hard because Op's wife would've explicitly needed supervision or care. Because then you can argue Jesse neglected her obligation to care for her
Okay, so... in that 2nd story, I'm 100% too emotional to deal with shit like that, and if Jessie showed up at the funeral, I would, in front of everybody, say to her, "You are the one who killed my wife. You are not allowed at this funeral. I don't care what her parents say. I will call the police if I have to, but you do not get to speak at her funeral when it's YOUR fault she's dead."
Jessie deserves as much sadness and misery as this world can dump on her. What a literal fucking piece of trash...
Story 1: OP Dad's believed his daughter, Sarah, was the only woman who would never betray him. That's why he disowned her.
In the last story, I think OP should seriously check his late wife's phone ASAP to see if there's any evidence of Jessie gaslighting her or encouraging her to hurt herself. I feel like she should actually be in jail for that, what she did was beyond no contact, that feels VERY illegal.
Story 1: Honestly, I have absolutely zero sympathy for Sara. I'm a HUGE Daddy's girl and this story had me crying. How dare she not only choose her lying, cheating ma and scumbag affair partner but she expected him to continue being her personal ATM and walk her down the isles with the cheater who helped destroy her family? She deserves what she got. She has no one to blame but herself, it's not like she's a child and doesn't understand why they divorced, she just didn't care. I hope OP can heal and although their dad may longer be with them, they can still remember him.
Story 2: Jesse can straight up go do a high-dive from 50 stories up into an empty bucket and then have that bucket look launched into the Bermuda Triangle. She needs to be held responsible for what happens. She's at fault for OP wife's death and the fact that HER OWN PARENTS are on Jesse's side, trying to guilt trip OP is both so heartbreaking and infuriating. She did nothing but feed her depression, anxiety, delusions, etc to the point she abandoned her infant child for several hours. Where was Jesse when OP's wife killed herself? On the cars speaker, egging her on or something? " Come on, girl! He's cheating on you WITH DEATH and you need to show that bitch what's up." Both Sara and Jesse deserve whatever shitty karma comes there was.
I wish that the conversation was recorded because the only place Jessie belongs is behind bars
I very much disagree you maybe be a daddy girl but you didn't go through her situation kids are easy to manipulate and don't understand things her mom and cheater husband manipulated her into coming with them and becoming a lawyer
@@SoaR2COLDFNYT I personally wonder what the mom told ops sister in story one.
@@SoaR2COLDFNYT manipulation can only go so far, especially in adulthood. It went from being manipulated to being the manipulator, which is where I expect that guilt came from. Like the brother said, she expected him to just roll over about the wedding plans knowing full well what the hell she was asking. However if it is just pure manipulation, she does live with two lawyers she herself will make a shitty lawyer being swayed so easily for so long
@@SoaR2COLDFNYT you have no clue whether or not I've been in a similar situation so don't assume. Sarah was well aware of the affair as an adult even as a kid (especially after being told why their parents are getting divorced but im guessing she wasnt paying attention) Yes, she was manipulated but she had plenty of chances to talk to her dad considering he still went to every event she had after the divorce, made sure he was present in her life, to talk to OP and sort out the bullshit but she didn't. She just didn't care until he finally died. He deserved better then what he got.
Story 2: She most likely had Sheehan’s syndrome caused by a traumatic birth. I went through a lot of this with my wife, almost resulting in the same conclusion. Luckily we caught it, and I have my wife back
Story 2.consult a criminal defense attorney and tell him what you told us, see if she can be charged as an accessory after the fact, or at the very least assisting a suicide.
Omg, I bawled through the last half of this. Toxic “friends” are the worst kind of people to be around when suffering from a mental illness. I had SEVERE PPD with all 3 of my children. I’m not proud of it, but yes after each birth I attempted “to un-alive” myself because the most horrific thoughts lived in my head. I chose the solitaire route and refused to talk to anyone at all, which left me with my own worst thoughts. Now, after my last time (my youngest is 16) I can honestly say I don’t even remember the thoughts, things were so bad I really just remember a little bit of the ambulance rides. Someone shoving charcoal down my throat, making me vomit, and worst of all, my husbands face from the doorway. I still fight depression issues but by the grace of God, I’ve somehow managed to see my daughter marry (twice) and get to see my middle son graduate high school this year and my youngest turns 16 the day after Thanksgiving.
I feel no sympathy for Sarah. That's what she gets. She made her bed now she gets to lie in it forever.
Story 2: Honestly…if i’m Op, i’m putting an ultimatum on the in laws: if Jessie shows up at the funeral, they’re never seeing their grandchild again. This evil woman tormented their daughter while she was going through PPD, made her think her husband was cheating, convinced the wife to abandon her daughter, lead her to assault her husband and then take her own life. This woman is the most vile person i have ever read about on this site, Op i am SOOO sorry about everything, i wish you and your baby a happy life and if that means going NC with the in laws, that might be necessary
I'd for sure explain to them what Jessie has done. From constantly convincing his wife that he was cheating to taking the wife and leaving the baby alone for hours. If they still want Jessie to talk or if they don't believe OP/play down what Jessie has done, then give them the ultimatum
I would also advise, and this will be incredibly difficult, gathering all of the evidence, especially evidence in regards to Jessie. This way when the grandparents file for grandparents' rights, the father will have better leverage. It is an incredibly tragic situation, but you know, you just know if a court order doesn't get put in place, Jessie will keep worming her way in their lives, and devise some way to take the baby and do god knows what with her.
I don't think the in-laws realize what kind of person Jessie is. Jessie most likely spent years gaining their trust. I seriously doubt that they would intentionally let someone who is responsible for their own daughter's death speak at her funeral. They could also be victims of Jessie's manipulation, but they don't see it. And they might not listen to anyone who tries to tell them. OP would be better off going no contact with them.
Story 2: So…the thing it seems like you’ve missed - and to be fair it was someone else’s comment that alerted me to it - is that the wife’s likely original plan was to crash the car WITH THE DAUGHTER.
yeah i came to that conclusion too. man, fuck jessie. poor OP and poor OP's wife
OH MY GOD, YOU ARE RIGHT
The wife was probably not a victim in this case then; if she planned on killing herself and the daughter, her mental problems were WAY worse than OP thought.
@@YokaiDisorder She is still a victim, no one get's suicidal to this point for funsies, it's an added layer, for sure, but it doesnt change that she needed serious mental health intervention, they were too leniant, she showed in one fell swoop that she was a danger to her kid her husband when she left the kid alone and broke his nose.
They loved her, wanted the best for her, sometimes, that blinds you for the severity of the issue.
Car crash suicides are almost always spur-of-the-moment rather than planned. It's a moment of complete overwhelm without any time to think things through because you're literally sitting inside a weapon moving faster than your brain can. It probably would have happened anyway, but I don't think the PLAN was to take the daughter with her. At least, I really hope not. Most isn't all, and it's certainly possible.
PPD seriously messes you up even when you're not living with a straight-up moustache-twirling villain.
As a Daddy's girl I could never NEVER choose a stepfather over my dad
This. ☝🏻
Honestly I think it depends on the situation. I was very much a daddy's kid, and while I preferred my bio dad because i lived with him, I would also jump at the opportunity to spend time with my sister's dad. Addiction took sister's dad, and illness took bio dad's mind. I wish them both dead now. But, when they were my dads, when they were okay, I don't think I could've chose one over the other. They're the reason I took the courses I did, because I genuinely loved what bio dad did, and I wanted to make games sister's dad and I could play together. Bio dad is the reason I got into genetics and reptile breeding, since he used to breed racing pigeons. I'm the person I am today because of them. If I had gotten married, and if they had continued to be the men who raised me, I think I would've done what Sarah had done and asked them both to walk me down the aisle.
As someone who used to be a Daddy's girl until he became an aggressive drinker... having a step dad who would care for my mom and sisters would sound way better than my dad
I think she chose her mom. She was the only girl so the mom likely manipulated Sara. Still not excusable after becoming an adult.
I would choose my stepdad over my dad any day of the week as my dad walked out on me and my sister and does not respect any of my opinions (he went down a massive right wing rabbit hole). While my stepdad and I don't agree on everything we can at least talk about it like civilized adults and he honestly wants the best for me.
As someone who is no contact with her father and her father’s family and who last year went through a seizure, coma, and cardiac arrest within 4 days, I would never ever want my father at my funeral. Here’s my thing: my mother aloud him in the hospital with me once I went into the coma. He did they same shit he did before and he behaved horribly around my mother who was his punching bag for years. When they tried to ween me off of sedation, I opened my eyes, saw my father, and (with tubes in) tried to attack him to the point that I had to be restrained. I let my father back into my life after manipulation and not only did he joke about how long my cardiac arrest was, he saw nothing wrong with his behavior. My point is: if someone is no contact with another person, that means they don’t want them at the funeral. If I’d died my father would’ve stood up and made a sob story in front of everyone I knew talking about how much he loved me and that I was just manipulated into no contact…no that he’s a rpist, has severely neglected me, emotional abuse, and then let other ppl abüse me. And his family is delusional enough to not see anything differently despite me telling them what he’s done. And my friends wouldn’t know. This brings me to my second point: I never want people to think that he was a good man and a funeral would give him the opportunity to manipulate ppl into thinking that. Please please please do not let people who’ve been no contact’ed go to the funeral
this. my brother died in 2018 and my mom (who abandoned him... as she did with all her other children) showed up at his funeral. made a whole sob story about how much she loved him and spent time with him (unlikely). then, she started talking about her fucking dog?? the people who actually knew him were livid, there was a huge fight.
just sucks even worse that she tried to convince me to go with her, undoubtedly so she could parade me around as proof of what a good mother she was, "look, I do care for my kids. I have one with me right now... as if the last 6 years where I disappeared to 'find myself' don't exist. look at how good she turned out. yeah, it was all me even though I didn't raise her, I locked her and her siblings in their rooms for their entire childhoods to the point. we get along so well, and my poor son who instead of spending time with, I ditched for getting drunk at parties, was one of my prized possessions. anyway, my dog died recently"
I wouldn't want her at my funeral. Such a horrible thing that those traitors were allowed at the dad's funeral, as well.
jessie knew that woman since childhood she knew she was depressed and kept feeding bullshit to her until she died
In the second story he should have gone to the funeral and said something like:
I'm sure my wife would be touched to see all her loved ones here.
Especially Jessie who took her out the house without baby and who spent weeks trying to convince my wife that I was having an affair.
Honestly I wouldn’t have blamed him but wouldn’t have been the time or the place to do that
@@terrencenivens8620 Why not? Jessie deserved being exposed and hopefully shunned, for what she did. He should also point out the fact that the in-laws refused to honor HIS wishes to exclude Jessie from the funeral.
@@avashnea This was his wife's funeral. Pointing fingers doing someone's funeral specially blaming a person's death for the person alive is not exactly great.
@@terrencenivens8620 The wife is dead. Funerals are the best time to be honest. Jessie is definitely gonna go up there and slander him anyways may as well beat her to it. Especially since the in-laws are defending her. Burn that bridge and save his image with the rest of the people there IMO
@@avashnea yes she should be exposed but not at a funeral where others including her parents are grieving. I don’t agree with them letting her speak but I understand where they’re coming from.
Story 1 I've heard this before. The sister did it to herself. She chose the man who broke her family over her loving dad. Now she can live with this guilt.
Mark Narrations. Last Saturday I think
Facts
I hope she suffers
People said that there's Sarah's perspective post. But it never found.
SHe said that she just being manipulated. And people still doesn't really sympathize.
While she has to live with her guilt and I agree, I don't think ANYONE really deserves to be hospitalised for it. Yes, she made a really hurtful choice and she needs to come to terms with the consequences but she also deserves to do it without basically self-destructing. (edited for typos)
The fact that he feels scared of being a bad dad, is a good start, because if he's worried about bringing up his kids and thinking about it, then he's doing more than a lot of folks.
Can you blame the dad for being so hurt he went no contact?
He'd been waiting all his daughter's life for that moment, only to be told, the DAY before the wedding, "btw, the man who was your best friend, best man, the one who cheated with your wife? He's going to be walking down the aisle on the other side of me"
Yes, I can.
Being hurt once, with the other person spending YEARS trying to make amends, didn't give him the right to both hurt her emotionally for years and years, deny his grandkids the chance to ever meet him out of sheer self centered SPITE, and then going as far as to make sure to be cruel to his daughter even after his death.
@@WeirdWonderful, she did not have the right to hurt him _"once"._ And just because she later regretted breaking his heart does not mean she's entitled to be forgiven. However, him having his heart broken gives him _every_ right to make sure it doesn't happen again. There are some words and actions that *cannot* be undone... _even_ if it later turns out that it would've been in your best interest to not have said or done those specific things.
She clearly showed him who was more important to her, him or her new stepdad, and then you blame _him_ for seeing it?
@ So we are just okay with his keeping his own daughter miserable for years, even going so far as to single her out after his death, and never allowing his own grandchildren to meet him ?
Those are all fine in your book ?
Also not sure what good denying his daughter to see him on his death bed could possibly do, or how he'd have time to even HAVE his heart "broken again" on account of the whole dying thing. Vs. horifically scarring his surviving daughter for years if not for life.
The man was just selfish and evil to do this.
@@WeirdWonderful, let's see if you understand it better if we put _you_ in the position of being betrayed and having your heart shattered: What if you got into a huge fight with your best friend, and in a fit of rage, your best friend killed one of your kids (if you have children, otherwise pets, other close relatives)... *but* as soon as your child stopped breathing, your friend realized the severity of the situation and immediately, for years to come, started trying to make up for it. How long would it take _you_ to forgive that friend? Or would you say that is something that can never _be_ forgiven? Would you forgive your friend on your deathbed, it's not like you'd have time to get into another huge fight and you'd lose another child? When would _you_ say that your friend had suffered enough for that _"one-time mistake"?_ What about your friends children? Surely _they_ would have the right to your company? Or would you say screw that, the damage caused can never _be_ repaired? That debt can _never be_ settled?
She didn't hurt him once, she hurt him three times, each at an important moment of her life.
She chose his cheating wife and the ex-best friend of his she cheated on him with over him,
She chose to not be a doctor ever though for years she had told him she wanted to follow in his footsteps to instead be a lawyer like her cheating wife and her lover,
And finally she chose to have both him and the man his wife cheated on him with walk him down the isle at the same time, he loved weddings and had been waiting for hers for years, and still she chooses the man his wife cheated on him with.
He cut her out when he couldn't take anymore heartbreak.
She only regretted her choice when she couldn't talk to him for years, but the damage had been done a long time ago, he knew where he stood with her despite the years he spent raising her and being the best father he could be to her, every choice she made was another twist of the knife.
Even if unintentional she kept hurting him.
Either she was oblivious to the pain she was causing him or she didn't care.
I just looked up the 2nd story on reddit, OPs in laws is somewhat aware of Jesse's actions but don't seem to comprehend what she did, drove OP's wife over the edge, and don't want to know it seems. And that's as far it goes. I can't help to be curious what happened next.
Story 1: Something doesn't seem right. She's been a daddy's girl her entire life, and suddenly she wants to live with her mom and be a lawyer? Something isn't adding up.
I wonder if she was possibly manipulated by her mom and step father. If so, it makes the story even more heartbreaking...
@@eyesofwater123 she was 8 so step-dad simply became a second father to her.
Manipulation by the mom
My guess is, since she was so little, Mommy Dearest probably told her the divorce was the dad’s fault
I agree. I know people are kind of dumping on her, but I feel like we’ve got to give her a little bit of grace because she must’ve been in a very difficult position, especially when she was so young.
Story 1: Dad sounds like a freaking saint. OP is an awesome son too. Sarah brought this on herself, however I hope she finds peace eventually.
You're too kind. I hope she suffers.
Not really she seems manipulated stop dogpilling her it's an asshole move
@@SoaR2COLDFNYT you desire to remove accountability for this chick is astounding. Stop damage controlling for her, she won't learn that way. That's how you get women who've lived as long as her and still make the terrible choices she did.
This episode is basically “With friends like these, who needs enemies?“
Story 2: jessie did worse than murder her, she poisoned her mind, lied to her, fed her depression, and kept accusing OP of cheating with accusations that were never proven to be true, and eventually that depression consumed her
Story 2: the husband should look into suing Jessie for the damage caused by Jessie's destructive lying to the wife.
Story two: I think OP needs to have a sit down heart to heart with his in-laws about Jessie and everything she did in the time leading to his wife’s death. How she continuously fed negative ideas into OP’s wife’s head about infidelity when she was in no condition to hear something like that whether it was true or not. How Jessie drove OP’s wife from the house leaving an infant completely alone for who-knows-how-long. How it was Jessie who spun webs of deceit that made OP’s wife spiral until she, I’m assuming, took her own life. I agree completely that Jessie murdered OP’s wife in the second degree by playing mind games with her while she was at her most vulnerable. Taking a daughter away from her parents, a wife away from her husband, and a mother away from her child.
Story 2: I feel bad that the wife was manipulated by the friend, in a vulnerable mental state and interfering in the marriage and creating chaos and emotionally blocked him. Jessi had no right to interfere with no proof of anything and putting thoughts of cheating and the manipulations causing the worst outcomes to happens. The friend Jessi deserves to be absent from the funeral , and other things prior to the wife's passing. Jessi does sound psychotic at the least. The OP should have an RO against her and the daughter!
I will agree with the RO here. That is enough behavior to warrant such an action.
Jessie sounds like she was wanting to go friend diving. Jessie also sounds like someone who was trained to be this way; sad to say but this is what happens when disney villians are allowed to breed lol.
wdym by "and the daughter" the daughter was a baby that damn near fell victim to a murder suicide!
@@fangspecter2232 I think he meant have one against Jessie for him and his daughter
@@CSKaras then they worded it really wrong cause i'm not getting that....like at all from that comment....
#2 - Oh good god. Had not heard the update, but even before that felt Jessie was almost 100% responsible for what happened, especially after leaving the baby ALONE and driving off with OP's wife. That woman should not be allowed inside the building the funeral is in. I know it would be tough on OP, but if wife's parents allow her to speak, OP should then get up and call her out. That is just awful and I feel so bad for OP and his child.
Story 1: In a way, I think the dad was being kind and loving by still giving the daughter a photo album and if I was the daughter's friend, I'd try to help her see it that way. It was a book full of pictures taken with love, of times filled with love. Yes, the photos have no special notes on the back, but that's because unfortunately Sarah took their relationship to a place where there was nothing left to say. There was nothing left for the dad to say to Sarah, but he still gave her the book that documented their history together, and that has to count for something. I think Sarah deserves a hard lesson, and this one is the hardest. Hopefully she can do better from here on out and raise her kids with stories of their amazing grandpa.
I honestly have high hopes that OP in story 1 is going to be an amazing father to his children and be able to learn and heal and grow from the lessons his dad taught him. The thought of his dad's spirit smiling down on him and guiding him gives me this light hopeful feeling, and the amount of compassion and love OP possesses shines through in his post. He has an amazing support system and a wonderful family, albeit a bit of a moron for a sister, but hey, live and learn and accept consequences. I hope everything works out for him 💕
I've had "friends" like Jessie before. That kind of person is beyond dangerous and manipulative if given any power over someone, like in the second story. They loooove the drama and love to be the ones who start it; they do not care about the consequences of their words or actions. They will also completely drop you if they can't find a way to control or isolate you, leaving you to be like "what did I do??"
OP describing his wife's depression causes such heartache. I hope OP and his daughter can heal from this and I hope Jessie... well, karma might bite me in the ass for what I WANT to say.
My dad cheated on mom with her brothers wife. When her brother found out, he raced home & got into such a bad accident the JAWS of life extracted him from the car.
Dad & SIL married, mom moved 9hrs away, and they fought over us for years, even kidnapping us from the other. Dad died when I was in my early 20s. He never got to meet my younger kids. His wife ran off with everything, so I have nothing but a picture of him.
My mom said she used to hate him for killing her brother and ruining her life, but she came to realize life is life.
Wow. I have no other words but, you have my sympathy. My heart goes out to you.
Why did they fight over you. Did they never go to court to figure out who gets custody
Your dad is extremely shitty man cheating on your mom with his sil for real? He deserved to be miserable hope your mom found a better man
@@Mokuteke I'm not from US but in my country the custody battles can take litterally years
I'd personally track down "SIL" and mess up her life.
I won’t sugar coat it, this episode genuinely shocked me.
Story one: I can relate with the fact that O.P lost his dad to terminal pancreatic cancer, in the summer of 2019 when I broke up from school I was told my nanny Smith passed away before her 99th birthday. But the fact that Sarah decided to side with her cheating mother and had 0 sympathy for her dying dad and decided to allow her own bio dad and *THE MAN WHO CHEATED ON HIS WIFE WITH MAY I ADD* to walk her down the isle on her wedding day thinking that her dad and mr. Wife Cheater would be buddy buddy and when her bio dad dies cheating mum and John decide to gatecrash the funeral they weren't even invited to! No sympathy from Sarah whatsoever.
Story 2: What kind of evil malicious head up their own backside kind of person would drive, no pun intended, a person's wife to suicide?! That’s no friend, that person is hiding the devil inside them, feeding a person suffering from postpartum depression lies that their signifiant other is cheating on them without evidence is super sketchy! That’s bloody sad and disgusting for O.P to have to deal with, I pray to god that that psychopath gets life in prison for the involuntary murder of O.P’s wife and feeding into that poor innocent woman’s PPD.
I lost my Grandma Dot to pancreatic cancer in 2013. She was my hero.
@@Brigand231 I’m really sorry you had to deal with that. 😢
What scares me about the last story, is that the wife probably wanted the baby in the car with her when she crashed so she could take her daughter with her. I'm glad you didn't let your wife take your daughter.
Quick note, Jessie said "Your not the only one who loved your wife". I know some people would take that as she really cared for her, but I take it as she had feelings for her and tried to break them up so Jessie could have OPs wife for herself
I feel so bad for OP and his late wife in the second story. The wife’s mind was in an incredibly fragile and vulnerable state as she struggled with PPD, and instead of trying to reassure her or encourage her to get help, Jessie dumped gas onto the fire. She fed into the wife’s PPD with accusations of cheating and encouraged the wife’s PPD to grow into what sounds to me like full blown postpartum psychosis, and it ended up costing the wife her life. Jessie is an evil, evil, EVIL person for saying such poisonous things and encouraging the insecurities of a woman that she KNEW was suffering and in a fragile state. Now OP is a widower who’s final memories of his late wife are of her assaulting him and screaming at him on his parents front lawn, and his poor daughter has to not only grow up without her mother, but will also one day find out that her birth triggered the PPD that would eventually lead to her mother’s death. The in laws are NUTS if they think keeping contact with Jessie after what she did to their daughter is good idea. For the sake of his daughter, OP needs to keep him and his daughter FAR away from his in-laws. Because as long as they’re still in contact with Jessie, they will NOT be safe people for his daughter to be around.
Best is to get a restraining order, then find out what lies she has told the late wife. If the lies are disproven it'll come to light she led to the wife's suicide and in a way killed her. She tore a family apart and now she's trying hard to paint OP as the evil one. It still amazes me people like this exist in the world today.
PS: if there's evidence she lied about what has happened, she CAN face a Level 3 felony which carries a sentence of 3-16 years in prison. If she's proven, she's also a shit mother as she inadvertently left her kids without a mom for x amount of years if she's convicted.
Agreed. That witch is dangerous and the in-laws are nut to still trust her. I hope it worth if it mean losing a chance to see their granddaughter growing up.
@@alinasanchez278 agreed. If they want to believe the tormentor "best friend" over a string of lies she made that led to their daughter's suicide, don't be surprised if that strains the relationship so badly they won't ever get to see their granddaughter. They're enabling the manipulative friend to ruin their son in law's life over a fabrication of facts. It's sad that the wife believes her lying friend over her husband after so much evidence proving his innocence. But we can't fault her cause the friend kept fanning those worries and played with the PPD too much. I hope OP and his daughter are doing ok and when the time is right, she understands why her mom was gone for all these years. And I sincerely do hope that OP is considering looking into long term restraining orders on that witch and to possibly look at a criminal investigation on the friend.
The wife is not much better than the friend. The friend fueled the fire, the wife still assaulted her husband and tried to kill her own daughter just to hurt him for something he never did.
@@Tsuki_Itsubi look up post partuem depression my dude the mind is a crazy thing
Story 1: the last part got me a bit, I grew up without knowing one of my grandpas, he passed the year my parents got married. The best thing that OP can do for his kids is to share all the stories as his kids ask or if they do something he did as a kid and tell them about it as they do an activity he did with his dad.
*First OP:* I've heard this story on another channel. It's a sad story all around.
*Second OP:* I'm at a loss for words. I agree that OP needs to stay far away from Jessie, and hopefully, his in-laws will come around as well.
Sarah was so selfish that she honestly thought her father would forgive her. When she realized how wrong she was, she cracked. I hope she learns from this experience.😢
She spent years trying to make amends, it's not just "she thought he'd forgive her on his own". Her dad was being selfish and cared more about his wounded ego than how he was psychologically hurting his own daughter and the grand children he selfishly chose to never meet, not caring about the emotional dammage he did right down to even AFTER his death.
All because of a single mistake Sarah here did, and spent years trying to make up for.
No, the father's treatment of her and his unseen grandkids was honestly terrible, and the fact she hurt him once and tried real hard to make up for it for years, didn't give him the right to hurt her continously to the point he even went out of his way to be cruel and spiteful to her AFTER his death.
Yeah your wrong. He didn't have to forgive her for what she did. She had the freedom to choose who walked her down the isle, it wasn't something he was okay with so he exercised his freedom to not show up. Your painting him as the bad guy when daughter did nothing but hurt him. Sometimes people just get pushed too far and they break. Don't go calling him selfish not wanting to reconcile. She got to choose who walked her down the isle and he got to choose who saw him before he died. She's an asshole who can't accept the consequences of her actions.
@@wickedblade4751 forreal. Sarah chose her own fate. She turned her back on her father and shoved the most painful moment of his life back in his face. Letting the man who cheated with your mother on your father walk you down the aisle is a different kind of stupid/evil.
@@WeirdWonderfulLOL. Sarah made her bed,Now she has to lay in it. Some mistakes just can't be forgiven. No one is entitled to forgiveness. The father is allowed to determine whether what Sarah did is forgivable or not. Sarah has no right to complain and be upset that she decided that a cheater was her father. She stopped being his daughter when she chose to invite another man to walk her down the aisle with him. Sarah gets no sympathy from me
@@WeirdWonderfulFun how you miss that she slept with his 'best friend' who was like a brother to him.
So was he supposed to forgive such betrayal because 'she will feel bad'? Sorry but no.
'Trying to make ammends' won't stop the fact she is sleeping with his worst enemy. If she has any dignity, she will understand and accept that the moment you support an enemy of your family member, you are also their enemy as well.
He wasn't selfish. He was *Fair.*
Any claims of contrary are a tentative to excuse and justify bad actions. She would never think that her hubby was in the wrong. Just think about that.
I have to say, I absolutely love these r/bestof videos. They really interesting to listen to, since the multiple updates make these stories seem like the reader/listener is learning about the stories as they are happening.
I can't help but wonder what would have happened if op's wife in the second story got the baby like she wanted. If she would have felt better or if she had taken the baby with her in her suicide. I feel really sorry for her, but op definitely did the right thing in not letting her take the baby. I hope their lives gets better from now on.
Murder-suicide. One hundred percent. She had the baby for the majority of the time she was depressed and she didn't feel better, so giving her the baby in that moment very likely wouldn't have made her feel better, either. It sounds very much like her plan was to drive into the tree with baby in the car.
Honestly her parents killed her by being in denial about her mental state. She should not have been left alone period, let alone be driving. Anyone totally shutting down like she did after breaking OPs nose is a suicide risk. Not to mention her full on psychotic delusions. No suicide happens without signs.
My first thought is that she had already decided to commit suicide and wanted to kill herself and their daughter together. It's definitely not unheard of for a parent to kill their child when committing suicide.
The baby would be dead. It's sadly not unusual for women with severe PPD to kill their babies and themselves.
The mom in story #2 was suffering from what is now classified as postpartum psychosis. It's the extreme end of postpartum depression. It's a tragic thing for anyone to go through. 😔
Second story, Jessie has no right to anything anymore. Her motives don't matter. She destroyed several families. Left OP's daughter without a mother, left OP without their love, and left a family without a daughter. She's a monster
Edit: A horrible thought just hit me. The reason she wanted to take the baby with her was possibly because she was going commit a murder-suicide with her child.
yep, that's right
People in the comments of the Reddit post have said that’s what PPD makes you want to do. Like, depression has the voice talking you into killing your self, but with PPD, the voice is telling you to end it and take the baby with you. Jesse forced her to listen to that voice and block out her husband and any rationality.
At the same time. We truly don't know what she was gonna do, maybe instead she took her own life because she couldn't have the child and thought of herself as a failure. But at the same time I see that being a possibility. I have no idea why Jessie is in the public, that woman should be in prison.
I really feel for OP in the first story. I also lost my dad to pancreatic cancer six years ago. I was sixteen. Mourning the experiences that you'll never have hits you like a fucking truck, especially because it's a grief nobody really tells you to expect. I was studying for physics last semester and something about the notes I was taking suddenly made me realize all of the things I'll never get to do with him. I'll never get to tell him about my fun projects at school. I'll never get to bond with him over nerdy engineering stuff like my sister did. He'll never walk me down the aisle, never fly another paper airplane with me, never send flowers on any important occasion again, and never see me graduate college. I raced to finish high school in hopes that he'd see that graduation and it didn't happen. So many milestones have gone by since he passed and it is so unfair that he couldn't be here for them. I'm glad OP got the chance to share at least some of those milestones with their dad.
I know this is an older video, but my god, that first story was the first time I've ugly cried listening to an r/slash video. I just have no words. I guess it just really makes you think about the choices you make in life. Sarah's bizarre hill to die on will haunt her forever & it's something that she will never get back. She had the opportunity to share a beautiful moment with her dad. I'm blessed to have my parents, and my dad walking me down the aisle, our father daughter dance, and the beautiful speech my dad gave at my wedding are memories that I will hold in my heart forever. I just cannot wrap my head around with what Sarah might have been thinking. As r/slash said, the dad sounds like a pretty incredible dad, so I cannot fathom why she would do that to him. And now, there's no going back, no making amends, and she'll have to live with that forever. I guess it makes you really consider the choices you make in life. Just wow, what a tragically heartbreaking story. Thanks for sharing that and making me ugly cry, r/slash
It may be an older video but you're not the only one rewatching. The first story hits me hard because I was abandoned by my bio father after he cheated on my mom. My mom married my step dad and he was my hero, my world. I was such a big daddies girl it was ridiculous. My daddy passed away when I was 14 and my heart broke. I had images of him walking be down the aisle of helping me when my kids frustrate me, everything. I can't imagine how someone could turn their back on parents like that.
The dad in the story sounds like how my daddy was, kind, caring, loving, and whole heartedly devoted. I can't believe a daddies girl would turn her back like that.
*"My friend murdered my wife"*
Well as you can see, this is a great video to start the day with
Typical reddit post
omg your comment made me giggle.
And the title is a click bait, no ones friend murdered anyones wife in these stories
@@kheldaur2107 it was more like the wife’s friend killed the wife but it’s close enough honestly
@@kheldaur2107 Well. You are technically right. VIA it wasn't direct stabbing or poisoning...
Also the title is wrong. Since it makes it out to be the 2nd story's Poster, not the wife's friend.
But, by all logic, "Jessie" caused her (the wife) to die. And did more than such... Endangered a child...
Holy fuck Jessie is a monster...how did the in-laws not see she was deliberately trying to ruin OP and their daughter's marriage and drove her the wife to ending her own life?
It’s like Jessie took some sick pleasure in manipulating the wife and destroying the relationship with OP
I feel bad for Sarah because she never got to tell her dad goodbye but she made her own bed
No, it was her dad chosing to deny his grandkids even meeting him or even his daughter to say goodbye on his deathbed, despite years of attempts on her side to make ammends.
It's not like she came back after neglecting him for years, she tried and he chose to be stubborn, cruel and ultimately self centered. No one should be so petty over wounded pride they purposefully shut out their own grandchildren out of their life, or worse, deny their own child to say goodbye before they pass.
It was just a very cruel and selfish way for him to continually punish her and her children for a single mistake she spent years trying to make up for, but which he was too prideful to move past. That's NOT na enviable character trait.
@@WeirdWonderfulsometimes family is just family in name only. It's not about the single decision. That decision was the final straw. Years of emotional pain built over time. And she finally gets to feel what he felt all of that time.
Her children and her will be financially set, he made sure of that. But she is NOT entitled to his emotions after all of that pain.
@@darkriku12 "Years of emotional pain built over time. " Yes, they did, for her.
And are his grandchildren "entitled" to never be allowed to meet their grandfather, to be literally punished for something they never did and which happened before they were born ?
And is she "entitled" to being the only one not allowed to see him on his literal death bed ?
Do you not see the cruel, vindictive pettiness and self centered arrogance of this all ?
I've had the unfortunate experience of crossing someone like Jessie myself - though not as such an extreme case as this. Their abuse spirals outwards, often to an epic scale. At this point, I'm convinced the only real treatment/cure is removing their access to society - in every way, shape and form... One room with a door welded shut and a void to screech into.
A thing about story 2, that is really chilling, is that the wife probably wanted to take the baby, so that she could have included infanticide in her suicide. If the OP hadn't stood his ground, he would very likely have been more than a widower now. That poor poor woman. Her mind must have been in complete scrambles.
God that last story was hard to listen to. I hope OP and his daughter can get that awful person out of their life forever and hopefully get the healing they both need.
I hope they get her out of life period. She deserves to die or at least be locked up for good for the utterly vile things she did. What goes around comes around and karma will come for Jessie.
That first story really killed me. I lost my dad a couple weeks before my high school graduation. so that frustration that you’ll never have your father figure/ best friend around for the important moments really sucks.
Let me start this off with one thing, I do not sympathize with Jessie in any way. Ruining someone else's marriage because you want to be the Great Rat Detective is never something I will side with. But if your partner is having doubts about you, please don't always take it as a lack of trust. Sometimes, especially in situations like this with PPD but in other cases too, the brain keeps overworking itself and making conclusions where there is correlation instead of basing itself on trust. It's an anxiety response, so it doesn't always make sense. Please have patience and show love, because if they're that worried, they love you too
When does it stop though? If they just give the cold shoulder and refuse to get help from therapy, it won't get better. Should OP have just lived with it, or would there have been a better option?
Get the restraining order against Jess before the funeral. That way you can legally force her to leave.
That last story took a major turn I was not expecting. I pray OP and his daughter can find peace in the comings months. I hope his in-laws can take their blinders off and see Jesse for the toxic, manipulative person she is. Cheating allegations aside, who in their right mind leaves a child, an infant home alone. A very sad situation.
When I read the last story my original thoughts were that Jesse was in love with OP's wife and she was trying to drive a wedge between them. Hearing you read it really solidifies it in my brain. What a monster
Sarah doesn't feel regret because she truly feels bad about what she did to her father. she feels regret because she is literally facing the consequences of her actions. the fact that she waited the day before to tell him this is what she was going to do. Tells you everything you need to know. she knew it was wrong, she knew it was going to upset her father, and she did it anyway. and now she has to live with that for the rest of her life. Period and good. She absolutely deserves that
Story 1: I hope OP has friends who are also parents so he can get advice and help being a parent. Also 8:40; John was attending his own funeral? ;D
Story 2: "Working overtime and going to therapy is a sign of cheating and signs are 100% proof!!" Jessie is toxic person of the highest caliber deliberately and maliciously manipulating people. She shouldn't have any business speaking or even attending the wife's funeral. "You're not the only person who loved her!" Of course, but SHE's definitely one of them.
I'm so glad OP didn't let his wife take the baby. It's very likely she would have killed their daughter too. I'm not saying she was evil, I'm saying she was sick and not thinking clearly. My older sister had PPD once, and it was a really scary time. We had to watch both her and the kids like a hawk while her husband worked; she ended up spending some time in a mental hospital because she was a danger to herself and her kids, especially the new babies. This story is heartbreaking, but it could have been so much worse if OP hadn't put his foot down.
That last story was horrifying, as someone who can give birth any day now and has a history of PPD. For Jesse to take advantage and manipulate someone in such a vulnerable state is disgusting. I'm so thankful that I'm forward about my past and my husband is very aware in case something similar happens with me. We are hoping that my PPD will not be as bad this time because I have lost a few and he lost a son, none made it to full term till the one we are having together that is kicking as I write this. I hope something is done about Jesse and that no one here has to go through what OP's wife went through.
I really feel for OP in the first story. My grandma was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer throughout her body in 2020. She adored all of her grandchildren, and being around for great grandchildren was on her bucket list. She passed away this year a couple months after I found out that I'm pregnant. Our baby is the first grandchild on both sides of the family, and would be her first great grandchild. I'm glad she's not suffering anymore, but it kills me that she didn't get to meet my baby.
19:41 I would tell her, “If I find out that you spoke at my wife’s funeral, I’ll be speaking at yours.”
I can’t even begin to believe the amount of pure evil that must be in someone for them to drive someone to suicide and then want to speak at their funeral. To cause someone already at a low point so much emotional distress that they become a shadow of themself, to the point where they eventually decide their life is not worth living anymore and then stand there pretending to be a friend, pretending to be grieving the person whose death they caused. Unbelievable, I can only hope the child didn’t realize what was happening.
that last story literally brought me to tears. ppd is a horrible mental illness and the thought of having to watch someone spiral into delusions and depression is bad enough. let alone watching someone you love and adore go through that is heartbreaking.
Has OP in the last story even explained to the parents what role Jessie played in his wife's death?
He wouldn’t have won. Narcissist like Jessie are master manipulators
He tried but they didn't want to hear and lose jessie too. Which is bad behavior in my book. They are turning a blind eye to the one who actually hurt their daughter the most
@@dardarbinks3391 I hope they at least don't believe that OP cheated on his wife. The last thing he needs in this situation is to get CPS involved and be under threat of having his daughter taken away from him.
2nd Story: Jessie killing OP's wife strongly resembles an experience I was told by whom I consider a murderer. The murderer is my female adopted parental figure, long story short it married it cousin who was a schizophrenic. The schizophrenic has repeatedly asked he'd get medical attention but it always denied or outright ignored by saying "if you believe hard enough, god will cure you one day." The poor bastard hung himself in the garage, which I'd consider the most public yet semi private area of a house it was clearly a statement which anyone and everyone would have to walk by. Even in the very end he wanted to express how hurt he was yet, it was in competition with the deceased on whom recieved more attention, it's sister was tending to the deceased trying to take him down trying to see if he was still alive while it sat and cried in anger.
Honestly she either never cared for your father, or she had fundamental misunderstanding of God's will and forms of operations.
While it is true God can and will perform miracles if they are NEEDED, or a point needs to be made, he does not do them off mere want and request. This is because he understands that coddling his children will not help them to grow up to be health autonomous adults. To facilitate healthy independent growth he gave us the means to make medication so we are not chained to him and can operate on our own to find our own paths. Her denying your Father's treatment, if anything, was a slap in the face in order of: God, your Father and you.
If you can stomach it, please ensure that she understands this and reflects upon her actions. She has caused so much unneeded harm, and have no doubt God is displeased to say the least.
Just gonna take a minute to pour one out for OP’s dad in story 1 (may that man rest in peace) here in the comments.
Mr. OP’s father, you sound like you were one hell of a man. May those whose lives you touched never stop feeling the value of your presence, and may your descendants continue to carry on the best parts of you.
Honestly I hope op can come to terms with the fact that it's Jessie's manipulation and the ppd that gave his wife doubts. I hope he can remember her and their love as it was before the depression hit. That wasn't the real her. Jessie was a vile human being to feed this misery. The wifes therapist was hopeless too.
Story 2: Do not worry about hurting your relationship with your in-laws. They are pushing so hard for the devil who whispered lies in your wife's ear to speak at the funeral so drop them. She was your wife, so legally you should still be in charge of the arrangements and such. Jesse made her bed, she can sleep in it.
I am horrified by Jessie, what an awful situation.
Story 2: I completely agree with R/, I would never want to see someone that drove any of my loved ones to suicide the way she did. If there was ever a hill to die on this is it. OP, I'm sorry for everything you went through and still going through. I hope things get better for you soon, and even though what's your wife did is next to, if not completely unforgivable, I hope you can still remember her as the woman you fell in love with. Not saying that she shouldn't take any blame, but when someone's in a vulnerable state and they have a demon in their ear they do terrible things.
The last story the friend Jesse is possible one of them evil manipulative people ever, but it’s frightening to think what would of happened if OP allowed his wife to take their baby.
The last story: No need to avoid going to the funeral. He’s the husband. He calls the shots. Jesse would be banned from coming to the funeral. Funeral home security would make sure she wasn’t allowed in and would call the police to trespass her. No muss, no fuss. The mourning in-laws could visit the little girl as long as it was in your home and supervised by the widower. The widower should tell the grieving in-laws that they have to friend him on all social media so he can make sure no pics are shared online of his daughter. As long as the in-laws follow those rules there should be no problems
story 1: a sorta similar situation happened to my family. we lost my grandfather last week, 8 weeks after his (terminal) cancer diagnosis. the funeral was yesterday. loads of people showed up, way more than expected. at the end of the memorial service, when everyone walks past the coffin to say goodbye, i saw my mom's sister, who we havent spoken to in a couple years after her then new boyfriend insulted my mom in a drunken state and my aunt defended her boyfriend. we were all quite shocked to see her there, but it was with good intentions. they hugged and cried and talked and now they are thinking of meeting up sometime to catch up and even reconcile :)