Why The Coffin Of Andy And Leyley's Age Rating Changed From G To 18
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- This video takes a look at a rating change for The Coffin Of Andy And Leyley in Australia.
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Just giggling at how cannibalism and demon summoning in the first five minutes of the game and incestuous overtones for the rest of it earned it a G rating in the first place.
As the video says, the publisher filled out the self-rating form wrong.
Yeah that's the real problem here!
Did you actually watch the video
@@madeofmars Obviously. That's why I am giggling. Because it's funny. Even if the process is automated, it's hilarious that, considering the publishers had to answer questions disclosing the violent themes or implications of murder, the game still ended up with the lowest rating possible.
Australians just see the art style and think its for kids they also think south park and the Simpsons are for kids because its animation
I know very little about this game, but I really like its art style.
It's basically a visual novel.
Really good and original as a visual novel. Though you could also enjoy watching someone play it.
It is arguably even more fun watching someone play it to see their gleeful or horrified reactions to each subsequent step down the staircase of f-d up stuff and dark comedy 😂 People either react with abject disgust or enthusiastic approval 😄
@@Mngalahad Original? dude this is the most shameless copy of all that "gravity falls" incest doujins from some years ago, even the art is a copy
@@diablorojo3887 well im sorry i didnt read that
> G Rating
> Game is filled with foul language and sexual remarks
> One of the first things that happens in the game is dismemberment and cannibalisation of a human by the protagonists (and i'm not even spoiling anything - that's literally the first 5min, if that)
I think developer was trolling when filling out the questionnaire X'D
nah I think they did it for having a wider audience and thus more money...
Still remember that an R rating wasn't even a thing here. MA15 was the highest because some stupid attorney thought that video games are only for children. Even when there was enough evidence that majority of aussie gamers are adults.
It was finally in the early 2010s, when this idiot stepped down, that an R rating was introduced and games like MK9 could be officially released. Sadly, regardless the R rating, there are still issues with some themes that are censored like a certain purple weapon in Saints Row 3 or almost anything with drug consumption.
Well, still better than a below R rating.
Games may not be for children, but the rating system certainly is.
actually good on australia for at least rating it and releasing it back on to the market
Should give the devs a ban warning for "mistake" if they do it again in the future
@@riddif no, because the devs are the only ones that got punished by the mistake as the game got refused.
@@Ghorda9 well thats what im saying? This "mistake" will be a problem for other devs that actually filling the form correctly.
@@riddif this mistake isn't ban worthy.
@@Ghorda9 i said warning, and should be worthy.
I mean it definitely ain't suitable for all audiences
Very few games are.
@TallulahSoie at least not by todays pathetic standards, when I was a kid there was waasay more fked up shit on media, nowadays? Can't even Say die, dead, idiot, dumbass, have any blood or any kind of slight secuality shown or else people act like it should be a 18+ or M rated Game, it's so funny
@@xLuis89xyou're hearing voices in your head
@@xLuis89xleast out of touch boomer
Im more surprised on how this game was rated G in the first place.
Same.
Original rating was by self rating. New rating is by review. It's said in the video.
I didn't even know this game had age ratings. In America the ESRB only rates games that come out at physical retailers so computer games don't have to register at all.
I think you have to get an ESRB rating for a game when selling through a major digital publisher like Steam.
Not really plenty of games are on steam without a rating, I think you need one for consoles
@@Videogamer-555 No, the US has no legally binding requirement for games to be ESRB rated Most releases just do because the big three console companies require an ESRB rating to be published on their platform and most store chains won't carry physical copies of unrated games
There's tons of PC exclusive releases on Steam that don't have any rating past the Steam content blurb at the bottom of the description
Man, if people are losing their heads this much over this game then I dread to imagine what they would react like if they ever heard of the visual novel "Island" and its final route.
What happens in that game?
Me conta mais
Hehehe, he fuggs the loli. Even had an anime and they somewhat animated that. Shadows only, but he still did it.
Or like, ever got into reading at all really. There's a ton of books that explore even more messed up things on the regular. But it's fine, it's fiction. People seem to be forgetting that there's a difference between fiction and reality and it's becoming a pretty major problem.
@@ibigfire There IS a difference between fiction and reality but super sick ppl usually tend to experiment first before doing the real deal and normal ppl recognize that.
Never forget;
1. The people hating on the game, only cared about the fictional incest. They had no problem with cannabalism, murder etc.
2. These people then harrassed and threatend the creator to such a degree, she stepped back from the project as leader and quit a lot of social networks.
Also, pretty sure the team in charge after the creator stepped back, then bend the knee to these weirdos.
(Edit: @redacted3732 notified me that I might have made a mistake, and his theory for it is very possible.
And since I don't want to spend the time checking it, I am just going to believe them that it's correct and I made a mistake about them bending the knee after their original post.)
Honestly feel really bad for the creator, she designed a game all by herself which includes everything from the OST to the character designs and story and she ended up getting doxxed by a bunch of weirdo's who didn't like her game
Let's also keep in mind that the creator is a talented woman, which supposedly should be something to celebrate in this crueeeeel patriaaaarchial society, but no. She doesn't fit the narrative and must be punished. You either fit the narrative or you're an -ist and a -phobe etc. and the mob is after you.
1. If I was locked up in an apartment with barely any food or water, basically being forced to starve to death. I'd probably resort to cannibalism, too
And at that point, there's only really one way to cover my tracks
That has a reason for it. The incest, doesn't
Sure, Ley Ley is possessive of her brother. But I'm pretty sure even Yanderes. Wouldn't do something like that
2. Yeah, this still isn't ok. Like, I don't like the incest. But I'm not gonna send death threats
@@forsakenmoth6066 That’s just unfortunately how our society is nowadays. Almost filled to the brim with complete, overly sensitive, whiny dolts.
Damn, I didn’t know of this. This is just ridiculous. This game is a psychological horror, it is supposed to feel disgusting. Yeah incest is f’d but I believe that was the point, to show how deranged these characters are.
You know for a government built on a prison island created by prisoners have quite a strict system for their games considering well you know their origins lol
whats wrong with rating this 18+?
i’m sure u are a Gen X teen who thinks nothing should ever be rated but thats not how it works
@@Freestyle80 or perhaps you missunderstood me? Re-read my comment lol
The G-rated version of this game would be like 5 minutes long.
" oh noo we are trapped here, we can only call our parents... And we no longer have food... What can we doooo?" - over
Because they can't show any kind of struggle, or. Worry of dying or starvation or sadness, so yeah, games done in just 5 or Even less minutes
Reminds me of the PG rated cut of Freddy Got fingered
the age rating makes sense
This reminds me of something similar happening to PSO2 Global, the IARC rating was T but the ESRB rating is M.
At least that one is between two adjacent ranks. Better than going from one end to the other.
> My fan fiction for how it went getting the first rating.
Questionnaire : Does it contain extremely graphic violence and gore?
Respondent : Not extremely... it doesn't show the violence and gore is mild... so, no?
Questionnaire : Does it contain full newdity?
Respondent : Not even partial, so no.
Respondent : I mean, where to I say there is implied themes, mild depictions of gore, and consistent use of cursing?
Questionnaire : You're game gets a G rating. Congrats.
Respondent : Um, I should have mature... or maybe 16+ or something...
Questionnaire : You are not permitted to manually select a stricter rating... you must use that G!
On the archived page, it says Production company is Games-Air Studios
managed to find a game that got removed from Google Play.
so... it wasn't a ban, it was just a re-evaluation.
Good thing that it got solved. Australian censorship sucks, but as long as the game is available, that's a happy ending.
Whats sad is seeing people compare sexually manipulating a sibling (to keep Andrew around) as being no different than murder or cannibalism. After all, the victims of murder and cannibalism continue to live... right?
I don't think incest is right.
@@killertruth186sure irl but who gives a shit in fiction
@@killertruth186 but you think murdering and eating people is fine?
They're both wrong but it's a bloody fictional story.
I think you're right but not for the correct reasons. If we applied this logic to getting tortured for the rest of your life vs being mercy killed, I think a lot of people would prefer being mercy killed. There are fates worse than death, being "allowed to live" is not necessarily a good thing.
If someone came into your life and killed everyone you knew and kept you alive, how would you feel? Would you feel gratitude? Fortune? Guilt? Despair? Maybe, on some days you might wish that you had been taken with them...
Murder victims are notoriously difficult to offend. (Well no shit, because they're dead.)
Incest rape victims, however.
The fact that Australia approves of this game is proof that deranged twitter users who label it the "incest game" are just overreacting
are you saying that australia cant approve of incest games?
Yes, it is stated on their website that stuff like glorification of incest fantasies can get a game banned in Australia @@MainGoldDragon
Yes, it is known that things like glorification of incest fantasies can get a game banned in Australia@@MainGoldDragon
@@forsakenmoth6066 Like which ones?
@@MainGoldDragonOk I’m from Australia and there is…one rating that many aren’t aware off and it’s called SX-21+ basically R-18+ but with the horror Off An MA-16+ film.
It reminds me of that old video game dilemma where killing people is wrong but if you change them to zombies suddenly it's okay
Oh yeah, here we go, “HIGH IMPACT” time!
I think it is more likely a deficiency in the questions being asked, rather than a dev answering them incorrectly.
Here's one other thing I noticed, both games that were submitted before NEVER had "The" in the title, just "Coffin of Andy and Leyley". And both submissions were under 2 completely different publishers unrelated to the developer and publisher of the current game. (I think one of them does like crappy mobile apps). So i'm guessing somehow some random company forced the game to be G rated for a reason?
This happened also with Netflix content, an example is The Seven Deadly Sins Revival of the Commandments which was rated M by classification tool but few years later re-rated MA15+ by ACB
That IARC thing seems like it needs a tweak to allow the submitter of the form to manually override the provided rating with a higher rating if they see fit to.
Ashley must had rated this
That mop was amazing though.
I find it strange that games that are banned under IARC still haven't been manually reviewed (i.e. Blade Runner enhanced editon).
This is Australia. It probably went from g to a18+ because the blood wasn't being referred to as ketchup.
Since it is an automated system, until we can learn the questionnaire answers, it is very much possible that instead of it being intentionally made to look like it should have a lower rating, the possibility that the system simply got snagged on a bug should be seen as at least a possibility.
I think it is way more likely to be a deficiency in the questions being asked. Unsavory themes would probably be a fairly difficult thing to nail down in a questionnaire.
Doesn't mean a thing when you have had other examples of Japanese entertainment being banned in Australia.
I know the IARC wants to streamline the rating process, but some of these questions(1:06) should require a short answer section.
Think seen art of this game somewhere but rating changes ah. I know nothing about the game or content. Makes me think of Darksiders 2 physical situation PG on all Aussie copies I've seen but an MA15 sticker on the top (that or similar sticker reprints over US/EU games too).
Gal Gun ESRB E then M misprint too. XD
Or yes the GalGun E and M (EB Games wouldn't sell Gal Gun in Australia I think same with Senran Kagura (some copies exist though pretty sure) but would sell Conception go figure. I enjoy Conception Plus but it gets a pass? Ok then I questioned anime style R rated games when I bought it. I did buy it as a joke but really like it I only saw part of the anime prior).
At least the Gal Gun games are available digital.then not available at all and needing a different account to access another eshop.
There's no consistency because different people will consider different things sexual. It's all up to whoever is personally doing the rating to decide if it's appropriate for younger audiences.
Ouch . Hate when that happens 😢😢
Huge win ❤❤❤❤❤
Clever bit of free publicity there.
Yeahhh i have no idea no nuh uh idk how this could POSSIBLY HAPPEN
The dev is not online anymore,
wait, is this a game?! 😲
Crazy, this is a family game.
well it do make sense i think. but the fact that ppl on Twitter are more chocked with the incest stuff than cannibalism and death/etc is somehow concerning.
like, incest isn't good, thats for sure. but that being the core problem shows what they're up to. if all other topics don't bother them, then incest shouldn't be the major problem. they should get real - they didn't liked the game cuz the creator didn't wanted to listen to the woke.
“Incest isn’t good” Like heck it isn’t. Incest is wincest.
@@invisanon it isn't good, your lineage will come with way more deffects due to dna and stuff.
@@gundamdetractor337 🤨bro I ain’t talking about that stuff in real life. Incest as fetish in games and manga is where it’s at because you can write out such consequences. Of course it’s weird in real life and you shouldn’t actually do it the same way you shouldn’t actually go around murdering people after playing CoD.
@@invisanon but... that's the point. they're using excuses like they're treating it as irl problems.
ofc if its just fiction, you can go with whatever you like. before explaining them that video games/etc don't affect real life, we need to tell them that incest would be the last of the problems and how that excuse is totally bs. only after breaking this point to show how meaningless their cry is, then we can go back to the fictional point.
@@gundamdetractor337
Who talks about leaving a lineage? Just use contraceptives.
Awhile ago:
"Hey Iarc, are you sure this game is good for everyone, even for kids?"
"Yeah, yeah, now leave me alone, I'm trying to figure out the ratings for these new games....... Lethal Company....Ha this one looks interesting..."
Murder, cannibalism, gore, decapitation, blood, incest subtext, foul language, middle sexual content, partial nudity, occult incantation?
Let's rate it "G" for everyone... because logic🙃
Spoiler
The controversial incest scene is from a vision, one of three Ashley can have depending on the player actions in Chapter2
The two other vision are either Andrew trying to kill her or Ashley killing Andy
So the whole thing is a rating. Well that's good to hear that it's been rectified now.
Also do ignore the trolls who are still complaining about an optional bad ending showing that they are thinking more about incest more than they care to admit.
I never see any complaints, except for people complaining about some imaginary group taking offense to this game. Sounds like viral marketing to me.
@@AWOOOGA-yo5lh Their account is named after Jack Thompson, so it's safe to assume that they're just trolling.
What is rating G? Like a G spot?
G is like the E rating from the ESRB.
That's the Australian Rating Board rating for "General"
Aye top patter.
General
Used to be called K-A which was Kids and adults. Nothing misleading there....
Pretty much the kids rating, And understanding what the game is about only makes that classification even funnier
Crazy how this game had such insane backlash over the incest thing while Fear & Hunger is not in their radar, shows their absurd moral priorities. (Not dissing F&H btw, but you know is on a different scale of graphic content)
this is no surprise to me. Watched TV lately? Streaming? Movies? Hell, there is murder and manslaughter in basically everything that's not a kids movie or teenie romance. Of course we are used to people getting shot, stabbed, dismembered, incinerared or devoured. But once you would point out, let alone show, how this mass of humans even came to be (since we were, as far as I know, not produced on a manufacturing line), moral hell breaks loose in western countries.....
Wouldn't it be better for mankind if we could just watch people consentually exchance body fluids instead of watching them shoot each other?
Idk the games not horror for me but i like the art and story
how was it rated g
bizarre, never knew publishers could decide their own game ratings with a questionnaire. Seems like something that's probably abused a lot, and also seems incredibly stupid to take for granted, which is probably what happened here.
It's how the ESRB works for digital games. For physical boxed games they require a video tape of sample game play be mailed in.
It also be near impossible for small developers to get a game out there. The bottleneck with the rating agencies and the costs would just be too high. It's in most people's interest to play fair, even if it is abused from time to time.
Two pines is back?
So people mass reported it?
Only one person has to make a formal complaint for a review to happen. Note the formal part.
Australia TH-cam off comments.
..... wasn't it already?
honestly seems like abuse of the system from the publisher to get the game to more people instead of providing an accurate rating
Wait a minute, it was G?!?!?!!!!?!!?!!!?
Why was it getting a G rating in the first place?
it was rated WHAT
G rating with a questionnaire...That's QUESTIONABLE...
Still surprised Australia didn’t ban Lisa definitive edition considering it has two of their biggest red flags. Drug use and implied SA,
it got censored on playstation
@@Ss-rx9bx I know but even the non PS versions didn't get banned in Australia. Also only LISA The Joyful is censored on playstation..
Yeah but the other versions are still in Australia uncut. Also the PS version only effects LISA THE JOYFUL.
why would there even be a system where you can basically rate your own game lmfao.
how tf did a rating company give it general audience in the first place lmfao
Good game
wait it wasent?
Another W for party, 'teens
g? what...
Honestly I wish we'd outlaw censorship and abolish rating systems.
Imagine making such a ruckus for a tamed game... There are japanese VNs that are waaaaaaaay worse.
I bet I know how this got away with being "G rated" at first xd said something about a questionaire I think.
"Is this an RPG maker game?" Yes. *ignores everything and automatically G rated* xD
jokingly aside... I've played a ton of adult rated RPG maker games.. and they are mostly shit, they put no effort in real quality.
I noticed this does contain some rpg maker default assets but not enough to say I think it looks great, I bought it after seeing a vid while it's on sale, having things I don't like much, I think it'll still be fun.
Sad that Australia can't distinguish reality from fiction
My understanding is if you give yourself a too low rating (such as claiming this game is g) you are at risk of being charged with distribution of objectionable material and/or distribution of objectionable materials to a minor.
Honestly d move from the developer to lie about the rating and potentially expose kids to unsuitable themes. I hope they get in trouble.
The real question is why tf was it rated G to begin with... Do we rly still have old ppl in charge of things that just assume cartoon = for kids?
Is Australia the worst place for freedom of speach out of all developed countries?
People going insane over a fucking indie video game! Do they realize that they don't have to buy and play it?
that or these "ratings" and what people find bad compared to others is subjective and NOT objective.
Australia Ban R
Who sane needs those ratings nowadays?
How could you have a rating be this off? I think they did it on purpose for some reason.
I find it funny that a horror game that features cannibalism and satanism was slapped with a General rating.
Didn't deserve the G rating to start with lmfao.
R seems a tad harsh though, MA even M would be more fitting.
Too bad twitter cancelled this developer out of their own series
What? She's still working on it and the sequel
bought this game just to support the creator, because anything that makes the twitter cancel freaks mad gets my support c:
Might take a look at this game for the sole purpose of being spiteful. Also, some of the Steam reviews are funny.
the reviews are hilarious
who, in gods name, thought this game was "suitable for everyone"? Australia ratings are something else
Man, I tend shit on Australia for their banning of things they deem offensive, but lying to the people in charge of regulating games to get a lower the ratings is pretty scummy.
It is very unlikely that happened.
@@captainthunderbolt7541 The G rating was granted using IARC which is a process where the company trying to get the developer or publisher submits check list of what kind of content is in the game aposed to having the game manually reviewed ether the people at IRAC made a mistake or the developer and/or publisher filled out the form incorrectly and considering just how wrong the rating was it seemed unlikely someone would unknowning make that mistake.
@@fizz576 Could also be the form just doesn't have the correct questions.
@@PhysicsGamer That is a possibility. However, even if it didn't ask about certain things, I find it hard to believe that it would still get a G rating.
@@fizz576 In fairness, Australia's game rating system isn't exactly functional at the best of times.
mature would be better from my opinion
Andy drilled leyleys wet box and she enjoys it. In a future vision. Regardless wincest!
a family that plays together stays together
If that's the route you take though; the game seems to hint on alternative endings beyond episode 2
Censoring games with such RPGMaker graphics is just so weird. It's clearly a videogame setting in a videogame world, no decent human should have problems realizing that. It's not like we are talking about semi-realistic things like Agony or Doom.
Imagine censoring Ao Oni, Mad Father, Mogeko Castle or any of those other titles that shine exclusively because of their mature themes encaged in a minimalistic graphic design.
Yes, they can be quite disturbing for small kids (14 and below imo), but censoring them would destroy their entire appeal.
As always, censorship should be optional and patchable. Same way we can toggle "Kids' Mode" for most things, we should be able to download a "Kids' Patch" for games.
Australia really hates visual novels with anime like graphics for some reason, they have banned heaps
The modern day rating system is a fucking joke.
Is there a language barrier or something? Accepting a G rating on a horror game sounds like a troll move.
It was G to begin with? Even when there's demonic summonings and cannibalism in the first few minutes of the game?
I wonder if there just aren't questions for that in the form.
@@PhysicsGamer Yeah, this sounds like a form that has to change with each thing that gets through it that's pretty fuckin' suspect. Like cannibalism, and demonic summoning for instance.
@@malkavianamerican3025 At the end of the day, you don't really *do* much of the really nasty stuff in the game. And the parts you do aren't really depicted beyond the aftermath. I could see how some awkwardly worded questions plus a worry about being yet another Banned In Australia game could result in a game like that coming in way below the rating it probably should have.
Dang you need to get paid to fuck up bad enough to give this game a G rating XD
At this point this is so unnecessary and kinda stupid
Now we know the ESRB people that rates these are lazy at their work and dont have the time to play and inspect the game to rate it accordingly😂😂😂.
Her name is pronounced LEE-LEE not LAY-LAY, it's based on the name ASHLEY.
Ashlee, Ashley
Bruce Lee?
"Ley" is an alternate spelling for the word "lea", which can be pronounced both ways. It also just sounds better as lay-lay.
@@TheMorbidHobo or people haven't watched a single minute of gameplay and don't know the characters' names. The character's name is Ashley "Leyley" Graves. It is obvious how we are actually supposed to pronounce it. Yeah, I know it probably isn't really that important, but it bothers me.
@@PieSniper I've heard Ashley pronounced with an awkward emphasis on the "ley" part such that it sounds like "lay", so I could definitely see someone saying "lay-lay" as a childish pet name.
Unless you have a devs come out and say that it's definitely pronounced one way or the other, you don't have much of a leg to stand on saying how it's "supposed" to be pronounced-- and even then, look at the GIF case.
The G stands for graphic, but the creatir of the format said it's pronounced like Jif.
Ok, it is both sides fault for that mess. First of all for the ratings board, what do you expect? And second of all, the devs/publisher should've known it was a bad idea to try to appease to more audience. Hell, even Elder Scrolls 3 Morrowind actually did deserved the Mature rating for some of the dialogues and some mature themes.
Elders scrolls 3 should be M rated? I somehow think You are overblowing it a bit there
How is it the rating board's fault? you cant expect them to play every indie game, it would make getting games released take even longer, most devs wouldn't lie with how easy it is for one of the many players to report it
"Cannibalism and others..."
another australian cope
I really hope there are some consequences for the publisher or whomever filled out that IARC form. While I don't think having your game re-evaluated to a higher rating, it's hard to believe that going for G to R18+ is the result of a small oversight or miscalculation. Whether through gross neglegance or intentional deception a descrepancy that big is definitely due to something that needs to be legally or financially discouraged.
This was initially rated G over there?! That’s even more insane than when Crunchyroll rated Goblin Slayer TVPG.
How did a g rating get slipped in for a game with murder and cannibalism among other disturbing things