@Ishtiaque Walid The 2010 model (and the models that have the same design) is the original cheese grater. The new cheese grater is just it's high cost speed talker of a younger brother with a bad case of acne.
I've been running two of these in raid0 for about a year now, no issues. I'm willing to lose whatever is on the drives but this is mainly to do with the fact that I back up the important stuff to an HDD.
i've been running RAID 0 on 2 x Corsair Force 3 128gb for the last 5 years at least, 3 different chipsets (Z77, Z97, X99) and I never had to even rebuild the array. It is as reliable as the drives themselves...
Buy a supported GPU that supports Mojave there a ton on eBay under $100, no excuses. I grabbed a used Radeon 570RX @ 4GB in January this year, haven't OC as of yet, but it's running 4K flawlessly and other than the well documented no boot screen it's been stellar.
@@emotionalintelligence776 If you stick with High Sierra, all of them! Otherwise... I think the GTX 7xx series, as those are in the iMac's and MacBook Pros that are still supported by Apple (officially). You can run a GTX 780 (not sure about Ti), but after that that's it. Anything Kepler from what I understand. Edit: 780 Ti is a Kepler card and is supported natively.
Great video. I love it when people try to upgrade their gear, or simply optimize their software, before running out to spend a bunch of money on a new system. Unless you're a true power user, which is like 1% of us, a computer properly spec'd out from the beginning can last a lot longer than most people think...
I plan on using my 5.1 Mac Pro for another 3 years until I can get the newer one used. I have Nvme drives and a Metal compliant 8gb graphics card and its blazing fast - nowhere near obsolete (way faster than my 2018 Macbook Pro) and people have already found ways to install Catalina and I suspect that trend will continue for quite some time. Im now tempted to go from 8 core to 12 core as the 6 core xeons are now just £50 a pop which is bonkers. These machines are good for at least another 5 years.
I’ve been a long term fan of using second hand macs - this mac would be the fastest mac I’ve ever used and, having just found one for $250 online, you’ve got me thinking...
Amazon has an Asus branded quad nvme pcie card which appears to be made by the same manufacturer as your $300 one for $57. It has the exact same for factor...
@@ylluminate Then either I am wrong or the thing you read is. I don't know how it could be supported without the necessary chip but if you have a source, let me know.
@@noenken I'm looking into it further. I agree that it doesn't make sense, but the mixed info is frustrating to say the least. BTW, the quad NVMe cards look interesting and there's a 5x that would be nice, but does not have a bifurcation support chip. Might have to buy them on Amazon and play with them. I would like to know how JBOD or APFS container expansion is doing (ie, can we buy 2 or 3 NVMe cards and then expand in a few months through JBOD or APFS container growth?).
lol - I mean we're getting new Mac Pros at work, and I'm CUCKOO FOR COCOAPUFFS with anticipation, lol, but I'm going to be buying a used one of these now to do this too.
Great machine. I still have a 2006 Mac Pro 1,1, just for the sake of upgrading it. It's not my main machine, but I've upgraded the GPU, put in dual 3.00 GHz Quad Xeons, 32 GB RAM (it can handle 64!) and an SSD with 3 TB hard drives for backups and RAID. Of course, it's limited to El Capitan, but it has plenty of power to spare.
This is an example that justifies prices for good tech. Reliability and future upgradability that can make a machine like this useful for over a decade. I wish more manufacturers, even beyond computing, would understand this.
It is but if I recall I read that -in certain circumstances- APFS isn’t recommended and I remember that, for my build, it was strongly advised not to use APFS.
Aye any apple pros in here? I got an iphone 5 to replace my 6 plus that was broken beyond repair, when i put it on the charger it only shows that it's charging but it's really hard to turn on i only got it to turn on once this week can anyone help evaluate the problem? I personally think its a bad battery i wanna replace it myself if that's the case but i wanna make sure it's that so i don't push out money for a new battery and it's not that thank you for any help.
@@felixlutticken5694 no he means how the card is blocking the gpu, therefore less air flow. Also, that card isn't a blower type card, it's a passively cooled one.
@@yellowfello02 It's a standard GTX980. AKA Blower style. The fan doesn't look to be blocked by the card. If you look at his older video on this machine you can see that.
Apparently no real advantage. It maxes out the CPU. An RX580 seems to be the best compromise. Even the fastest 6 core Xeon supported by the 5,1 can't take full advantage of a newer Radeon 5700 or a VII.
I have a Radeon 5700 and before it I had an RX580 (MacPro 5,1 6-core 3.46Ghz). The Heaven benchmark plays at more than twice the fps, but in real world gaming (e.g. Fortnite) you barely notice the difference. You'll probably gain more by installing Windows on the MacPro to take advantage of faster drivers and hardware decoders (e.g. for recording gameplay with OBS) which are unavailable on MacOSX. If you do go for a 5700, pay attention to the card's height. The only one I could get my hands on that would allow me to continue using the Nvme RAID and USBc PCIe cards was the Asrock Challenger.
Hey. Great question. My Mac Pro 5,1 is dood for music production. As it relates to your question even if it’s can run your software, as some point the software or even peripheral driver compatibility could stop your workflow. I just tried to install the Final Cut Pro demo. And it said no lol get compatible with Mojave.
I upgraded and it’s incredible. Think of what the old Mac costs compared to a brand new one. My computer does everything I need it to do and then some.
Not even close to the new mac pro , Hell not even close to most recent laptops lol and single 970 evo does about 3gb read and write on most new mobile cups not even plus drives , That is including the 9750H, 8750H, 7700HQ and the 6700HQ can't confirm that last one.. The raid there is like 4gb to 6gb a Sec and the strange thing you put crazy amount of money in to a card, And crazy amount of money on NVME SSD and to top it you need 10.14 making your Nvidia Card worthless in mac OS.. I call this a fail.. First because that card is worthless in so many way's when using an Samsung NVME drive, second because the mac pro has an active cooling going in the case and out and third because samsung nvme drives stickers are metal plates and they cool the drive.. That overpriced card does nothing to cool your drive it actually may hold heat even more because your graphics under it will heat the under the NVME cards to top it Nvidia blower cards won`t have air cause your other card is on top of it.. Then you run in to a problem with old cpu not being designed to run NVME and most likely crashes since mac OS don't like Samsung NVME'S they work but from time to time they crash, in my office we replaced on many of the macs the drives with samsung NVME 960/970 and we did get panics from time to time this includes wide range of macs from 2010 pro to 2015 Considering the amount you have to spend you may as well buy newer mac/pc they are not that expensive when you put card drives GPU and you can't run any GPU cause you have triple 1440p cinema they need proper GPU power, I would say Vega64 /7/ 56 RX580 maybe even the 5700 That would be a good upgrade if you'd be keeping this mac pro with this config etc.. Don't get me wrong but you are not getting even pass over the reletively old macbook like the 2016 or if single NVME its actualy slower then any 2013 retina MBP considering that they run 1,5gb single drive and that comes at like 500$, max 600 $ for an 15 inch op 2013MBP.. OH and this card was out for the 950 series it's chipset support is old to and knowing how outside company don't keep proper support it's kexts are prabablly very old and updated to properly support new drives and mac os itself never does proper support for outside devices that are not part of the apple eco system the samsung and Intel Nvme support is there thx to Hackintosh users and the two macbook models that had samsung chips fro 970 in them 960, Knowing apple is Samsung or Toshiba, otherwise no support...
That’s a wonderful computer you have. I am shocked you haven’t gone to Mojave as that’s a speed boost for sure. Wait you have an nVidia card. Makes sense why you haven’t updated. How long do you plan to keep yours?
Hello, Very informative. Where can we find the link to the firmware update? I don't quite follow that part of your video. I'm running High Sierra as well and my video card is not Metal compatible so until I swap that out I have to stay with 10.13.6. Could you clarify what the firmware procedure was? Did you upgrade to Mojave or just install the driver from Mojave? Thanks again!
why did you install the NVMe PCIe extension above the GPU instead of in the top slot, this will cause 2 issues, one the heat from the GPU will heat up the NVMe PCIe extension which can actually prevent the m.2s from being properly cooled especially when both the GPU and storage drives are underload and two, this will also cause your GPU to have less room to breath and could cause potential heating issues.
Regardless of NvME or CPU, this MacPro has no problems, and the speed is still enough to perform Pro performance, but the only problem, sorry I was wrong, are two problems ... 1: nvidia CUDA driver, 2: Apple deliberately refused to let it Support for the new operating system, although its performance is still very fast.
"This mac really need an upgrade" Me: wait a minute, i see 4 4tb hard drives and some kind of geforce gtx graphics card And yes this was in the begginin Also me: *laughs in intel core i5 and intel hd graphics*
i have a 2006 apple mac pro, but it had water in the power supply area, and i took it apart, cleaned everything (blew it off with a blowgun) and put it back together, then i kept the front panel off and it had worked fine. the startup music was great and it was all running smooth. then while it was still running, it had played the startup music again (witch i should have known was not right0 and then i noticed that the fans were sputtering, and the on light was flickering rapidly, i had pulled the plug so no damage could be done, when i plugged it back in 3 minutes later, it did nothing, and still has done nothing, what should i do to fix it?
Old video and probably somebody already said it but: the Apple way of securing the PCI-cards was not so good for you because you installed the bracket wrong. There is a hook in the top and you need to install the bracket top first to get it behind the "hook". You started right but mid way changed and went bottom first missing the hook. If installed correctly and tightened down its very secure, no cards wiggling around. If you install the bracket bottom first it will always go in the wrong way and the cards will not be secured. I guess RTFM! is in order. 😉 BTW. I made the same mistake early on before I learned how to install it properly. Real Duh! moment for me.
I have this machine. My plan is to just use this for storage, I need a list of possible PCIE cards to consider, considerably cheaper than the $400 you spent. What do you recommend?
I think the 12 core 3.46 with an added nvme ssd and newer videocard Is almost as fast as the base 8 core $6k unit for about 1k Plus you have all the.memory slots 4 HD bays 2 uhd CD DVD bays can be used for ssds or hd
Bump. I don't follow what he did at the 5:07 . Did he upgrade to Mojave or somehow extract the firmware from Mojave? Or is there an option in the Mojave installation where you can just install firmware?
Thanks, Hugh. While I loved my 5,1 with similar upgrades, it I’ll not support Catalina and newer OSs. This type of build is fine for those who do not want or need the newest OS upgrades.
This is a real tough call. I realize that each person has a specific requirement and need but I really question giving up a PCIe slot just for one of these. If it had 4 slots or more, I'd consider it. But you still have to look at the cost. A Sonnet 4x4 PCIe card with all NVME slots maxed is roughly $1200! If you haven't upgraded to dual processors, well, I'd say , get a new Mac because your already at $2000 at that point. I'd rather get a SATA3 4 port PCIe like a Startech for $50. Your not gonna get new Mac speeds but I don't think most people really care just as long as your pegging 600mb/s. IMHO.
Hi Hugh. Thanks for the informative video! You refer to the nvme adapter as “This One” - And show it as being made by iocrest, but give no more details. Is it this one?: Syba I/O Crest SI-PEX40129 Dual M.2 NVMe Ports to PCIe 3.0 x16 Bifurcation Riser Controller - Support Non-Bifurcation Motherboard Thanks!!
@Hugh Jeffreys I took your advice and bought this setup for my 2010 Mac Pro and the disk performance is great but the card's fan is blistering loud for some reason. Is yours super loud?
Watching this on my Evga SR-2 based pc is oddly similar. These things are still so strong today, thanks to the heaping size of cpu cashe and core count. Kind of a bit hilarious though the mac didnt get usb3 and sata3 standard and this mobo did plus overclocking lol.
Hugh, you mentioned that the NVMe cards you bought were overkill. Do you have any advice for a slightly less expensive option that wouldn't result in wasted potential like this setup?
The issue with the PCIe card you have for the NVMe cards is that since the logic board doesn't support bifurcation, it won't get the optimal speeds you're looking for. You'll get high speeds with a card that supports bifurcation.
Personally I would have installed that in the top slot to spare your GPU from oxygen starvation but given the airflow of the Mac Pro, I'm not too concerned. Also, "Heat transfer pads" That's a new one.
The top slot is four lanes and shares the same PCIe bus with the 3rd slot, so I think you mean swap the 1st and 2nd slots (both 16 lane) and allow the GPU to block the 3rd slot.
And you did all of that for less price than the new Apple XDR Monitor Stand!
Hahaha sad but true 😂🤣
B G G this is not sad
@@luiis6674 its not sad.. its depressing
BH Suritto ???
@@luiis6674 bruh u autistic? a monitor stand costs more than a decent pc
The 2010 Mac Pro still looks decent.
@Ishtiaque Walid The 2010 model (and the models that have the same design) is the original cheese grater. The new cheese grater is just it's high cost speed talker of a younger brother with a bad case of acne.
RGC Tech best design ever
@Ishtiaque Walid as a trypophobic, i hate both, but ofc i hate the 2019's way more
Looks like crap. Maybe i should take apart and spray paint mine black
RGC tech bitch you look decent
I've never heard "reliable" and "RAID 0" in the same sentence before.
Well if you put the sentence as “running ssds in raid 0 is not reliable” you still have the right words and a way more realistic sentence.
@@alexasbagel I choked on my cereal laughing at this.
I've been running two of these in raid0 for about a year now, no issues.
I'm willing to lose whatever is on the drives but this is mainly to do with the fact that I back up the important stuff to an HDD.
i've been running RAID 0 on 2 x Corsair Force 3 128gb for the last 5 years at least, 3 different chipsets (Z77, Z97, X99) and I never had to even rebuild the array. It is as reliable as the drives themselves...
@@SamBinary which on commercial ssds isn't very good at all.
$900 is way better than $6000
To be honest I really like 2010 Mac computers. They at least have a headphone jack :)
All macs, even the new m1 imacs, still have headphone jack.
And they grate cheddar really really well.
You are my favorite tech TH-camr! I hope the best for Australia 🇦🇺🙏🌏😢
Yes its bad here I'm not near it but the smoke still surrounds the air make it hard for people to go outside to breathe
Snowyy78 same
Nah tech yes city is
Snowyy78 damn. Its still burning ???
@@brotherhood_ofstreetracers4268 yes
What did you do about your GPU?
Buy a supported GPU that supports Mojave there a ton on eBay under $100, no excuses. I grabbed a used Radeon 570RX @ 4GB in January this year, haven't OC as of yet, but it's running 4K flawlessly and other than the well documented no boot screen it's been stellar.
Some nvidia GPUs are still supported in mojave and catalina
@@TeddyBearGaming999 Stop being bashful and state which ones inquiring minds want to know, Lol...
@@emotionalintelligence776 If you stick with High Sierra, all of them! Otherwise... I think the GTX 7xx series, as those are in the iMac's and MacBook Pros that are still supported by Apple (officially).
You can run a GTX 780 (not sure about Ti), but after that that's it. Anything Kepler from what I understand.
Edit: 780 Ti is a Kepler card and is supported natively.
@@TeddyBearGaming999 most bad gpus
The old Mac Pro looks so beautiful...
I think TronicsFix needs your help with some Iphone Xs!
Yh sure man
He fix only 2
@@lonewolfszn8312 All of them have broken touch.
Hugh i wish you were my neighbour 😢
Edit: wow thanks for the likes guys i never got that amount before
Hesho’s Productions I wish that too
He lives in your phone !
Me to
I purchased an iphone from ebay and it is icloud lock! Can i unlock it?
Remove the last part bud, no one will sub it you ask.
Great video. I love it when people try to upgrade their gear, or simply optimize their software, before running out to spend a bunch of money on a new system. Unless you're a true power user, which is like 1% of us, a computer properly spec'd out from the beginning can last a lot longer than most people think...
I plan on using my 5.1 Mac Pro for another 3 years until I can get the newer one used. I have Nvme drives and a Metal compliant 8gb graphics card and its blazing fast - nowhere near obsolete (way faster than my 2018 Macbook Pro) and people have already found ways to install Catalina and I suspect that trend will continue for quite some time. Im now tempted to go from 8 core to 12 core as the 6 core xeons are now just £50 a pop which is bonkers. These machines are good for at least another 5 years.
I will keep mine for at least 5 more years. One of the best computers Apple ever made.
I still wish that you went back to the old intro :(
The old one was stale.
@@eddiew.4650 and this one is circa 2006 like
ORIOLESFan02 all good things must come to an end...
@@eddiew.4650 it was iconic
Still bland in my opinion
Could do that to an Xserve then how interesting
druaga1 wants to know your location
When are you doing the ultimate ipod classic video been waiting for it
I have finished building it and actually using it right now. Should be out in the next few weeks.
Thanks for leting me know cant wait to see it
I’ve been a long term fan of using second hand macs - this mac would be the fastest mac I’ve ever used and, having just found one for $250 online, you’ve got me thinking...
Love your vids been watching for over a year and haven’t missed a video
0:59 these drives are known to be really fast
I have one of those 1tb and it doesn’t slow below 1700MB/s unless it throttles
Amazon has an Asus branded quad nvme pcie card which appears to be made by the same manufacturer as your $300 one for $57. It has the exact same for factor...
But it's missing the ASMedia controller for the PCIe bifurcation. In short, that one won't work in the old MP.
@@noenken I've read that the PCIe bifurcation is supported by the Mac Pro 2010.
@@ylluminate Then either I am wrong or the thing you read is. I don't know how it could be supported without the necessary chip but if you have a source, let me know.
@@noenken I'm looking into it further. I agree that it doesn't make sense, but the mixed info is frustrating to say the least. BTW, the quad NVMe cards look interesting and there's a 5x that would be nice, but does not have a bifurcation support chip. Might have to buy them on Amazon and play with them. I would like to know how JBOD or APFS container expansion is doing (ie, can we buy 2 or 3 NVMe cards and then expand in a few months through JBOD or APFS container growth?).
"... If i get the new mac pro OR A PC"
*gasp* "how dare you!?!"😂😂😂
lol - I mean we're getting new Mac Pros at work, and I'm CUCKOO FOR COCOAPUFFS with anticipation, lol, but I'm going to be buying a used one of these now to do this too.
Does the expansion card for the NVMes block the video card intake, would like to see the temps of your GPU.
his card is installed upside down thought and the intake on that gtx is on the top
@@peteseta then it has to be blocked by the case, still would like to see GPU temps
@@deganash7767 oh right sorry, GPU temps would be interesting
Deganash ı dont think he uses gpu heavily
@@tvolta4830 even if uses the pc for any amount of time, the GPU will get hot if it can't breathe.
Great machine. I still have a 2006 Mac Pro 1,1, just for the sake of upgrading it. It's not my main machine, but I've upgraded the GPU, put in dual 3.00 GHz Quad Xeons, 32 GB RAM (it can handle 64!) and an SSD with 3 TB hard drives for backups and RAID. Of course, it's limited to El Capitan, but it has plenty of power to spare.
This is an example that justifies prices for good tech. Reliability and future upgradability that can make a machine like this useful for over a decade. I wish more manufacturers, even beyond computing, would understand this.
Excellently produced video with lots of informative tips, hope you do more videos like this with mac pro upgrades and imac upgrades.
You might want to reposition your new storage because it looks like it restricts the airflow to your GPU somewhat.
You are in desperate need of a Hackintosh :D
They have no soul
That is the cleanest-looking inside of a Mac Pro I've ever seen…
I still don't get it why apple pretends to be expensive? 😵
How is the performance between APFS and MacOS extended journaled? Isn’t APFS more optimized for SSD’s?
It is but if I recall I read that -in certain circumstances- APFS isn’t recommended and I remember that, for my build, it was strongly advised not to use APFS.
Aye any apple pros in here? I got an iphone 5 to replace my 6 plus that was broken beyond repair, when i put it on the charger it only shows that it's charging but it's really hard to turn on i only got it to turn on once this week can anyone help evaluate the problem? I personally think its a bad battery i wanna replace it myself if that's the case but i wanna make sure it's that so i don't push out money for a new battery and it's not that thank you for any help.
Sir Savage the 21'st Why are you using iPhone 5 parts in an iPhone 6 Plus?
Your new M.2 card drastically affects airflow to the GPU
@@felixlutticken5694 no he means how the card is blocking the gpu, therefore less air flow. Also, that card isn't a blower type card, it's a passively cooled one.
@@yellowfello02 It's a standard GTX980. AKA Blower style. The fan doesn't look to be blocked by the card. If you look at his older video on this machine you can see that.
Jeffrey: *puts Samsung ssd's on G5*
Apple: Wait. That's ilegal!
Traian Ungur apple manufactures their computers with Samsung SSDs
Devin Ziegler ya must be fun at parties...
GC 6212 😂😂
GC 6212 Lmfao
it's a mac pro, not a g5
Put a *”RTX-2080TI”* inside the Mac Pro
Yeah. It probably would support it. That is a GREAT idea!
Apparently no real advantage. It maxes out the CPU. An RX580 seems to be the best compromise. Even the fastest 6 core Xeon supported by the 5,1 can't take full advantage of a newer Radeon 5700 or a VII.
You would bottleneck so hard putting that in that old of a machine, at that point you’d be better off at motherboard swapping it
I have a Radeon 5700 and before it I had an RX580 (MacPro 5,1 6-core 3.46Ghz). The Heaven benchmark plays at more than twice the fps, but in real world gaming (e.g. Fortnite) you barely notice the difference. You'll probably gain more by installing Windows on the MacPro to take advantage of faster drivers and hardware decoders (e.g. for recording gameplay with OBS) which are unavailable on MacOSX.
If you do go for a 5700, pay attention to the card's height. The only one I could get my hands on that would allow me to continue using the Nvme RAID and USBc PCIe cards was the Asrock Challenger.
Hey. Great question. My Mac Pro 5,1 is dood for music production. As it relates to your question even if it’s can run your software, as some point the software or even peripheral driver compatibility could stop your workflow. I just tried to install the Final Cut Pro demo. And it said no lol get compatible with Mojave.
I upgraded and it’s incredible. Think of what the old Mac costs compared to a brand new one. My computer does everything I need it to do and then some.
Not even close to the new mac pro , Hell not even close to most recent laptops lol and single 970 evo does about 3gb read and write on most new mobile cups not even plus drives , That is including the 9750H, 8750H, 7700HQ and the 6700HQ can't confirm that last one.. The raid there is like 4gb to 6gb a Sec and the strange thing you put crazy amount of money in to a card, And crazy amount of money on NVME SSD and to top it you need 10.14 making your Nvidia Card worthless in mac OS.. I call this a fail.. First because that card is worthless in so many way's when using an Samsung NVME drive, second because the mac pro has an active cooling going in the case and out and third because samsung nvme drives stickers are metal plates and they cool the drive.. That overpriced card does nothing to cool your drive it actually may hold heat even more because your graphics under it will heat the under the NVME cards to top it Nvidia blower cards won`t have air cause your other card is on top of it.. Then you run in to a problem with old cpu not being designed to run NVME and most likely crashes since mac OS don't like Samsung NVME'S they work but from time to time they crash, in my office we replaced on many of the macs the drives with samsung NVME 960/970 and we did get panics from time to time this includes wide range of macs from 2010 pro to 2015 Considering the amount you have to spend you may as well buy newer mac/pc they are not that expensive when you put card drives GPU and you can't run any GPU cause you have triple 1440p cinema they need proper GPU power, I would say Vega64 /7/ 56 RX580 maybe even the 5700 That would be a good upgrade if you'd be keeping this mac pro with this config etc.. Don't get me wrong but you are not getting even pass over the reletively old macbook like the 2016 or if single NVME its actualy slower then any 2013 retina MBP considering that they run 1,5gb single drive and that comes at like 500$, max 600 $ for an 15 inch op 2013MBP.. OH and this card was out for the 950 series it's chipset support is old to and knowing how outside company don't keep proper support it's kexts are prabablly very old and updated to properly support new drives and mac os itself never does proper support for outside devices that are not part of the apple eco system the samsung and Intel Nvme support is there thx to Hackintosh users and the two macbook models that had samsung chips fro 970 in them 960, Knowing apple is Samsung or Toshiba, otherwise no support...
That’s a wonderful computer you have. I am shocked you haven’t gone to Mojave as that’s a speed boost for sure.
Wait you have an nVidia card. Makes sense why you haven’t updated.
How long do you plan to keep yours?
Here's the answer, gtx cards will disappear from Apple's world.
devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/1042520/driver/-when-will-the-nvidia-web-drivers-be-released-for-macos-mojave-10-14-/1
Pork Jackson Not surprised by that thread. There’s a reason the relationship between Apple and nVidia went so sour.
Hello, Very informative. Where can we find the link to the firmware update? I don't quite follow that part of your video. I'm running High Sierra as well and my video card is not Metal compatible so until I swap that out I have to stay with 10.13.6. Could you clarify what the firmware procedure was? Did you upgrade to Mojave or just install the driver from Mojave? Thanks again!
Bump
I guess you’re aware of a Mac Pro 2019 can reach in excess of 10 GB/s with multi-SSD arrays? Just an FYI... :)
you can go 20GB/s on windows without raid and any computer with a raid controller and good drives
why did you install the NVMe PCIe extension above the GPU instead of in the top slot, this will cause 2 issues, one the heat from the GPU will heat up the NVMe PCIe extension which can actually prevent the m.2s from being properly cooled especially when both the GPU and storage drives are underload and two, this will also cause your GPU to have less room to breath and could cause potential heating issues.
Regardless of NvME or CPU, this MacPro has no problems, and the speed is still enough to perform Pro performance, but the only problem, sorry I was wrong, are two problems ... 1: nvidia CUDA driver, 2: Apple deliberately refused to let it Support for the new operating system, although its performance is still very fast.
"This mac really need an upgrade"
Me: wait a minute, i see 4 4tb hard drives and some kind of geforce gtx graphics card
And yes this was in the begginin
Also me: *laughs in intel core i5 and intel hd graphics*
Anyone: *Mentions RAID 0*
Internet Neckbeard: ACKCHYUALLY....
Raid 1 is faster bruh
jlebrech just wait until I tell you a story about RAID 2
For some insane reason I'm sat here watching Mac video's... I'm a PC user with zero interest in buying into Apple... what am I doing with my life
You and the 8-Bit Guy should collaborate sometime! I’m serious!
i have a 2006 apple mac pro, but it had water in the power supply area, and i took it apart, cleaned everything (blew it off with a blowgun) and put it back together, then i kept the front panel off and it had worked fine. the startup music was great and it was all running smooth. then while it was still running, it had played the startup music again (witch i should have known was not right0 and then i noticed that the fans were sputtering, and the on light was flickering rapidly, i had pulled the plug so no damage could be done, when i plugged it back in 3 minutes later, it did nothing, and still has done nothing, what should i do to fix it?
$10,000...and it doesn't even run crysis 😂
Lmao true....
Mojave with GTX? how kext you use for acceleration GTX in mojave?
I'm running Mojave with the same ssd, still getting 1400 read/write, any idea?
I think it has to do with the pci slot it is put on, the top two (slots 3 and 4) are x4, slot 2 is x8, and slot one is 16x. Maybe?
Old video and probably somebody already said it but: the Apple way of securing the PCI-cards was not so good for you because you installed the bracket wrong. There is a hook in the top and you need to install the bracket top first to get it behind the "hook". You started right but mid way changed and went bottom first missing the hook. If installed correctly and tightened down its very secure, no cards wiggling around. If you install the bracket bottom first it will always go in the wrong way and the cards will not be secured.
I guess RTFM! is in order. 😉 BTW. I made the same mistake early on before I learned how to install it properly. Real Duh! moment for me.
I’m always scared of listening to his intro smhh it has that ominous sound
it really gave a heart attack with your name i thought my laptop screen is fcked up!!
@@noobiegamer8053 me too, considering that my laptop is almost 6 years old. BTW, which laptop do you use?
@@trithai9582 acer e5 476g
@@noobiegamer8053 if anyone has a username with long lines, they're most likely to be a 10 year old child.
What speeds would you get if the NVME card was in one of the 4X pcie slots? I have a rx5700xt OC and it eats into my second 16X slot. So can’t use it.
First
I have this machine. My plan is to just use this for storage, I need a list of possible PCIE cards to consider, considerably cheaper than the $400 you spent. What do you recommend?
Didn't understand a word of it. Great video, always makes my Sunday morning watching a Hugh Jeffries video.
hugh Jeffreys: Sata drives are painfully slow
*Sad seagate 16 tb sata hard drive with 10 gigabytes per seconds sounds*
When I clicked on the video I was like did I just tap the wrong one? because of him finally having a new intro
I think the 12 core 3.46 with an added nvme ssd and newer videocard
Is almost as fast as the base 8 core $6k unit for about 1k
Plus you have all the.memory slots 4 HD bays
2 uhd CD DVD bays can be used for ssds or hd
it will do well in multicore but single core performance is bad by today standards...those xeon cpus are just old and inefficient
Poor graphics card. That airflow is nonexistant
those Mac Pro cases are windtunnels, there is a shocking amount of airflow over the cards, it's a work of art.
Triple Apple-branded monitors is just mad.
4:32am in india and iam your big fan
Did any one ask?
What an awesome project. Really gives you an appreciation for modular designs. 👍
That intro is lit 🔥🔥🔥
im genuinely considering buying the 2010 mac pro. this really helped :)
Get it, its the best machine ever made.
Hugh not a Mac fan but another enjoyable video from you.
Cheers
Same
@@paulkulhawycz4556 when I break down and lose my mind and buy a used crap I mean Mac to try I'm calling Hugh .
They used to sell them on amazon a few years ago and almost instantly sold out.
I just want to buy one new or old or totally broken. I love the case!
Hah! Samsung in a Apple.
That’s what apple itself still does
The Samsung 970 Pros are much faster. :) I used them on a regular basis and have found them to be overall better than just the Evo Plus
Build a pc, install Linux and be done with it.
Can i use this PCI NVMe adaptor in windows PC?
好像翼王也出过这种视频耶
I have 2 mac pro it start but it doesn't show anything on monitor plz help me
You forgot to remove the stickers from your nvme drives. Those thermal pads will do no good in transferring the heat.
The stickers on Samsung drives are actually made of metal and intended to be a heatsink, thermal transfer will be fine.
remove the stickers and zero warranty.. they wont replace if u have an issue
which firmware did you switch to
Bump. I don't follow what he did at the 5:07 . Did he upgrade to Mojave or somehow extract the firmware from Mojave? Or is there an option in the Mojave installation where you can just install firmware?
When they dropped support for this laptop I was like ......
Laptop?
@@mhtweeter They probably meant computer instead of laptop.
Pc sorry
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So... a good cumputer without windows
great video, thanks! do you know any alternative adaptor for a single NVMe ssd that is capable of the same speed you got in this video?
Fantastic video! I think with time people will come to appreciate just how good these old macs are.
Thats why 2010 Mac Pro is my main pc :D
Thanks, Hugh. While I loved my 5,1 with similar upgrades, it I’ll not support Catalina and newer OSs. This type of build is fine for those who do not want or need the newest OS upgrades.
OC project can help you out.
martin lo's opencore will refresh your machine all the way up to moneterey..
Still the best macpro design
Does it make a difference which slot it’s in? 16x 8x slots etc? Great video!
Hi there, I have a 2010 Mac Pro 5,1 too. Amazing results upgrading to the NVMe ssd drives. I think i will do that to my mac pro
This is a real tough call. I realize that each person has a specific requirement and need but I really question giving up a PCIe slot just for one of these. If it had 4 slots or more, I'd consider it. But you still have to look at the cost. A Sonnet 4x4 PCIe card with all NVME slots maxed is roughly $1200! If you haven't upgraded to dual processors, well, I'd say , get a new Mac because your already at $2000 at that point. I'd rather get a SATA3 4 port PCIe like a Startech for $50. Your not gonna get new Mac speeds but I don't think most people really care just as long as your pegging 600mb/s. IMHO.
Hi Hugh. Thanks for the informative video!
You refer to the nvme adapter as “This One” - And show it as being made by iocrest, but give no more details. Is it this one?: Syba I/O Crest SI-PEX40129 Dual M.2 NVMe Ports to PCIe 3.0 x16 Bifurcation Riser Controller - Support Non-Bifurcation Motherboard Thanks!!
@Hugh Jeffreys I took your advice and bought this setup for my 2010 Mac Pro and the disk performance is great but the card's fan is blistering loud for some reason. Is yours super loud?
starting price OF 2019 MP is $6k US not $10k, I have both 2010 and 2019 Mac Pro
Yeah you do...
If you picked up on the accent, he would be referring to $10kAU which is what we are paying here in Australia.
U should use it as the boot up disk
Watching this on my Evga SR-2 based pc is oddly similar.
These things are still so strong today, thanks to the heaping size of cpu cashe and core count.
Kind of a bit hilarious though the mac didnt get usb3 and sata3 standard and this mobo did plus overclocking lol.
All I can say is get an AMD Card. Like RX580 or something.
Zack Burkhart he literally edits in Final Cut. There is no reason for him to be using a NVIDIA card.
Zack Burkhart Yeah like? The RX550 probably is faster in Final Cut than a GTX 1080 Ti.
Zack Burkhart Ok, show me proof.
before anyone starts fighting ,here look at some benchmarks gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1080-Ti-vs-AMD-RX-580/3918vs3923
You can play minecraft with that?
yes
I have the same computer, how can I hold of you to upgrade my computer and if it's worth it.
Is there anyway to get Catalina running on an old Mac Pro 2010?
Most are a step above this now. Big Sur is now possible. I have Catalina and Big Sur running on mine. Google github.com/StarPlayrX/bigmac
Hugh, you mentioned that the NVMe cards you bought were overkill. Do you have any advice for a slightly less expensive option that wouldn't result in wasted potential like this setup?
That gpu is gonna be struggling for air with the nvme card installed right above it
I do really enjoy this kind of videos
I mean old apple laptops&computers restoration
The issue with the PCIe card you have for the NVMe cards is that since the logic board doesn't support bifurcation, it won't get the optimal speeds you're looking for. You'll get high speeds with a card that supports bifurcation.
I should rip out the original motherboard and put PC motherboard with all IO that person needs nowadays. Using that in 2020 could be very inefficient.
Personally I would have installed that in the top slot to spare your GPU from oxygen starvation but given the airflow of the Mac Pro, I'm not too concerned.
Also, "Heat transfer pads" That's a new one.
The top slot is four lanes and shares the same PCIe bus with the 3rd slot, so I think you mean swap the 1st and 2nd slots (both 16 lane) and allow the GPU to block the 3rd slot.
Have you checked Bare Feats? There's a PCIe x16 card by a Canadian company that does 5GB/s. =) I think they are very pricey, though.