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- Hey guys! GullYY here, welcome back to another epic Polytopia video! Today, we're going to look into the less naval-ly aspects of Polytopia's latest naval update and focus more on the balance changes that came with the update. Two of the most important changes brought with this update have to do with Lumber huts and Roads; each of their prices has increased from 2 to three stars. In theory, this will land a heavy blow to the Bardur Rider-Roads meta that has dominated the game for years at this point, but what about in practice? Is Bardur still the best tribe, or is it now unplayable? Let's find out!
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Video Name: Has The Naval Update DESTROYED Polytopia's Meta?
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What do you guys think about the balance changes brought by the Naval update? In my opinion, three star roads and lumber huts needed to happen, but a lot of weak tribes like Hoodrick and Oumaji are inadvertently hurt as a by-product. How would you buff these weaker tribes?
Imho they should abandon the whole “all tribes should start with 5 stars” and just give strong tribes less stars and give lesser tribes more starting stars.
@@MemePiano69No need to take stars from others. All can start with 5. BUT the weaker with 6.
@@_Seph_ you need equal amounts of nerfs and buffs
@@_Seph_ Yadakk needs this, the one star can mean such a difference now they can't buy a tier 1 tech to upgrade their eco when they find their first village which leads to a poor eco. Other tribes could use this too
Imperius and Kickoo are at the top of the pile at the moment and really might need to be nerfed. Cymanti, Elyrion (sorry, I could not be bothered to figure out how to do the special characters), Zebasi, and Barbur are defiantly strong but totally fair in my opinion. Aquarion needs a rework but we've been promised a rework from the devs. Plus, after the latest update, they're not that bad in my opinion. Also, I don't Oumaji has been hit that hard with the new naval update, and actually if anything they're a bit stronger. Also, Polaris is pretty well balanced. This leaves only Yadakk, Ai-mo, Quetzali, Vengir, Luxidoor, Hoodrick, and Xin-Xi as potentially needing to be rebalanced due to weakness against other tribes.
As far as Vengir goes, they have always sucked outside of very specific circumstances so I don't think they need to be rebalanced at all. I kinda feel the same way about Ai-mo, although I actually like Ai-mo. One thing that I've thought about for Ai-mo to make them stronger would be to make the Alter of Peace worth more population or to do some unique special effect. This new Alter of Peace could be unique to Ai-mo, although this might go against the philosophy of the game. For Yadakk, I think it would be really cool to lower the cost of roads back down to 2 for them only. This would balance them quite well and make them viable against the higher tier tribes. LUXIDOOR NEEDS LEVEL 3 CAPITAL BACK!!! More stars would also be okay, I guess, but I'd love to see the return of classic Luxidoor. Some people have also talked about giving them a better resource spawn but my cave-man brain refuses to consider this a good solution.
Quetzali, Hoodrick, and Xin-Xi are harder to sort out in my book. Giving them more starting stars is always an option but I like the uniform starting stars of every tribe. I've thought about giving only Xin-Xi even more vision from mountains but I don't know how much stronger this would make them. For Hoodrick and Hoodrick only, maybe the value of chopping could be raised back up to 2, but this might not completely offset lumber huts now being worth 3 stars. Conversely, maybe the cost of an archer for Hoodrick and only Hoodrick could lowered to 2. But this might make them too OP. I haven't thought of a good solution to the Hoodrick problem. As far as Quetzali goes, I think it would be extremely cool for them to start with a cloak instead of a defender. But then again, the whole point of Quetzali is that they start with defenders so IDK. Without giving more starting stars, Hoodrick, Quetzali, and Xin-Xi are extremely hard to balance without compromising on some part of the game.
Thanks to anyone who actually read this whole thing. As you can tell I love this game and am quite passionate about it. I'd love to hear your ideas
I reckon this update nerfed Yadakk from an S-tier tribe to a B- or C-tier tribe overnight. I think a good compromise would be to let tribes construct roads for 2 stars inside their borders, but have it cost 3 stars outside their borders.
This could work. This might be the needed solution. Conversely, roads could only cost 2 stars for Yadakk only.
It also makes sense logically. You have more control over what you build in places you own than places you don't.
@@billyhurley3945 maybe combine the 2 to keep Yadakk from getting to powerful. 3 star for everyone but only 2 star inside the borders of the Yadakk
This wouldn’t work, roads aren’t built outside your territory enough to impact this
@@Andrew-kq3xchuh? They are.
The bots are the worst. Now when you get close to sieging a city, they decide to build a cloak and give it to you. They build catapults and don't move them off the city, making it easy to take.
Me close to beseiging a city:
Random cloak near my level 8 city that my dumbass forgot to defend:
Edit:The bots were easy but that mistake nearly fucked my city over lmao since I moved most of my army elsewhere
Play Yadakk now to get the full effect of the road costs. I have played a lot and Yadakk isn't that bad of a tribe but spawns are too much of a factor for them now
Sample size = 1
You should consider making a new updated tribe tier list video relavent to the new meta, i for one would be really interested to hear your thoughts :)
I agree
Imo it seems a bit too early for anything concrete beyond the obvious stuff. Still lots to feel out. A subjective early impressions tier list might be nice, though.
@@MrBlueberryCheesecake Yo, It's Nuggetmcchicken!
@@billyhurley3945 shhhh they can't know I'm here
Meta this, Meta that... have you ever meta woman?
roads should be 2 stars when placed next to the capital for all tribes but especially yaddak
New GullYY video, let's go!
The direction is good and roads and lumberhuds def needed to be nerfed. It also keeps stuff fresh, BUT there needs to be balance and tribes like yaddak needs something to compensate
100% agree
Yeah, as a Yadakk player, this update was the worst thing that can happen to us
One issue I've encountered with this update - maybe others have too.
I was playing a game that ended in an absolute stalemate. My opponent and I had a parallel line of gunships, just out of range of each other. No matter what we tried to do, our assaulting troops would be immediately killed. Even if we managed to destroy some of the other's ships, we both had enough resources that they were immediately replaced. Cloaks were of no use, because the bandits, too, were immediately destroyed.
Hahaha same experience, except they kept ramming all my rammers, and suddenly, its a losing battle, but lasted for 8 HOURS
"is the update broken?"
Proceeds to play the most tactically complex bardur game ever.
Probably should've shown a cymanti matchup
What do you think about The Ai-Mo for this meta, rushing Philosophy?
Love your videos, and very human to see, that also the profi forgets sometimes the giant in his capital (or is it a deeper strategy ? 🤔😉) 10:53
Love these multiplayer videos hope you make more videos like this
Id like to see more advanced, competitive poly guides about strategy, maybe even a 2v2 format. Are you planning on touching that at some point?
"What a time to be alive" was that a Two Minute Papers reference?!?
7:50 You might've seen this when editing but you could have freed both cities. 1 archer hits each swordsman. Then in the west, the warrior in your city kills the 5 hp warrior to let the rider through to hit the swordsman, and other 2 units finish the job. In the east with the help of the archer's initial hit, the other units can break siege too!
Your videos make my day better everytime, id love to support you more, is it possible for you to do polytopia themed merch
I think that at this point, Kickoo or Imperius is now the best tribe. Kickoo has a superior upgrade path to Imperius though, so I would chose Kickoo.
Can you explain. I just started playing this week
@@macgyvervanschwartzenstall4662 Yes. The naval upgrade increased the price of log framing, from 2 to 3, and increased the cost of roads from 2 to 3. With Bardur, the best strategy was using riders and roads, but with the price of roads increased it becomes economically inviable; and your economy is stilted because of the increased cost of trees, which is bardur's main way to stimulate economic growth. So, overall bardur is still a fantastic tribe choice, Kickoo has a stronger upgrade path, with the naval update making boats much more viable, and imperius having an overall stronger economy. Would I still recommend bardur, absolutely. Are there better choices, maybe.
@@Frandon_ tell me shit the kickoo path
Epic video! However, the fact that the opponent was also playing Bardur makes it harder to feel the nerf...
Have been playing polytopia/super tribes 😂 since release quite frequently, always not a fan of any change intially because it shakes up my play style/ strategy. But after playing a few games you get used to it, the naval update definitely helped the meta of battleship spam, as well as making the games more challenging more turns in. I generally always play huge continents, crazy with 10- 15 A.I s and found that after about 15 - 25 turns on most play through could all but guarantee a win. Naval update has definitely made the game more balanced which I enjoy, has me finishing more games rather than reseting again for a more challenging scenario.
Lumber huts has always been a weird one for me, wasn't huge on when the clear dropped from 2 - 1 stars, but it was still manageable, definitely found myself getting forestry later in the game because of it, I think coupled with the new 3 star roads it's somewhat unbalanced. I feel as though 2 star roads in your own territory then 3-4 outside of your territory would be ideal.
Would also love to see and full creative mode where you could adjust what techs are available/ play older game styles pre diplomacy update etc. Having the ability to revisit old patches, play with battleships, mess with the tech tree and how much upgrades cost would so much fun.
Also does anyone know if the continents map changed in the update? I've noticed there's way more single city islands out in the water than what I remember, there used to be 1 - 2 on huge continents now I frequently se 3 - 5. Also the ai never takes the islands, always just posts up ships near them?
At first i thought it did but now im cool with it, love the addition of bridges, id love for the capitals to be a little more meaningful.
Economy, emotions, religions so and so
i got back into polytopia few days ago and i was shocked of the many changes, port only gives one population not two, the market(i forgot what it was called before) and i feel like a rookie now not knowing what to do
Awesome gameplay, I learned a lot of new things
This was super fun!
I liked it.
I wonder if there could be a feature in polytopia where you can change from a 3d view to a birds eye 2d view (like in online chess).
I was a BIG fan of Aquarion; they were a beast, especially the tridents. But yeah, this update made them super hard to use. Instead of having great movement on land with roads, they always move one tile. Of course they can move better with water, but man. It just killed it for me. I can't use them because they are just so slow, and their HP is a lot lower now. They went from 15 starting to 10. Because you cant move them more than 1 tile at a time, and their low HP they easily get wiped out by a knight.
I mean there was some compensation but I feel like they wanted the tribe to be less centered around "spam tridentions to win"
@@channelname7105they will be hot garbage on drylands until rework.
@@dubachatron4094 well still yes
"What's going on everybody" so classic...
I can’t even play Polytopia rn because it always says “reconnect” and “check your internet connection”. Anyone had this problem before? I tried uninstalling and reinstalling, using data instead of Wi-Fi, and turning my phone on and back off. It also has the red “1” mark next to the app saying there’s a notification which I don’t even know if that has something to do with it.
Hey, anyone know how to fix the network connection bug on mobile? According to tutorials I’ve seen you have to reset something in your Sim but that’s kinda spooky so I haven’t done that yet.
Babe wake up, new GullYY video just dropped
Me personally, I’ve been playing this game for about three years and love it! Honestly, I never play any MP and just enjoy some random, mindless and enjoyable bot fights every now and then.
Sounds lame, but I do enjoy giant battleship spamming and all that. I feel the naval update is a cool one, but there should be an option for offline players like me who want a more casual experience, and perhaps a way to filter what updates you want access to when playing.
Rip my boy yaddak
One major critique towards the update is that they didn't keep their promise about the smarter AI
It's not worth of the crazy title at all. They seem to fixate on a single skill tree for a good while and only use units of that tree. They could spam like 10 shields that do nothing by themselves, they might spam catapults and lose to a single knight, they could spam cloaks even when another enemy is near to their city, basically giving up said city and so on. There is less variety in their teams compared to the the previous version
tbh last update where cloaks were introduced was the same, the AI constantly spamming cloaks late game.
@@average_peanut_fan3059
Yeah, they swapped "cloak spam" with "x unit spam" instead
I still think it's stronger than before
@@deleteme924 idk, I personally think that they are just more aggressive in the early game than before, making them more of a threat in the early game and therefore more difficult. But the difficulty ends there as the ai seems to think that the more expensive a unit is, the better it is (which isn't always true)
@@average_peanut_fan3059 That's true that the difficulty is in the early game and once you get past that, it's not difficult
Captivating gameplay.
I’ve always been a Kickoo main but rn I’d say their the best. Kickoo love ❤
6:58 the *pain* in his voice
It would be great if vassalization comes
dude i just got a Ai-Mo turn 6 giant and i did not need 2 lumber huts. Yes i am an aimo player
You read comments?
If so I'd like to make an suggestion an polytopia battle mod for minecraft/roblox/fortnite would go broad on content imagine the potential
Does somebody know about if it already exists?Or a close lookalike?
I'm only now able to get 100% and have on several, it's a totally different game
Bruh my dad plays this game on his iPad I didn't know it had a YT scene
you forgot the giant at the bottom 😭
fr im so bothered about it😂😂
Recognition of the superiority of great empires, trade agreements, vassalization, ultimatums and gifts of stars to other tribes must be brought into play.
hi gullyy
I dont like how spawning in a corner now really gives you an unfair advantage
This naval update, I dont really know of. I’m new to the game, but from what I know, cloaks dont affect your game that much against bots, but rather naval warfare, especially on creative mode like 900 tiles and its a normal continental map. From my short 48 hour experience, naval warfare is your nightmare, because you will always have an opponent whos already either mastered archery, or mastered swords and then moved straight to bombing on you. Bombers are hard to deal with, even if you had one yourself. From my experience, imeprius is one of the worst factions ever. This faction is in between two powerful factions: The Bardur and the Sand dunes(forgot what they were). If you started a good navy, bardur will catapult all troops into oblivion. If you had horse riding, the same. If you went close to the xin-xi, swords and boats are ready for you. The best early thing you get, a shield for crawling simulator. These guys should only be used for building up powerful ships and last stand defenses of your kingdom, coz damn is their damage output trash
Hey you do a vid, my day is okey
“Is the meta broken”
Proceeds to play bardur mirror match
Because drylands map, obv...
I tell you whoat's destroyed it's Elyron like holy frick give me back forest burning so I can make some fricken farms and make some fricken dragons..
Could you possibly play more Polaris please? There’s not very many videos of you playing him.
Yes, Polaris honestly plays completely differently after the update.
If I see gullyy i know I lost
Having the meta being shaken up is never a bad thing.
Lumber hut and roads nerf felt needed but rider roads still is the main meta imo
In addition to Perfection being ruined, and the whole game being slower, the art style went from grandly symbolic like the figures of a WW1 diorama, to Super Mario 3.
I agree, the art style has changed a little bit between units added in different updates, although to be fair they've made some moves to remedy this (archers getting quivers).
What was ruined about perfection though? I figured this update made it better, with parks giving you +1 star income and all.
The slower pace, more use of walled cities and shields, Polaris auto-freeze, etc. mean that scoreboards are about 30k lower and they’re clumped in the middle. Before the best players always rose to the top, now everyone’s clumped in the middle.
@@jackjmaheriii That's a shame. Hopefully they fix the AI (especially Imperius) so it doesn't spam shields. A higher skill ceiling is nice but perhaps maybe there's just a new meta that good players can eventually adapt to? (After they fix shield spam.)
In my opinions, I really hate the road and lumber hut changes. Especially the lumber nerf. The rest of the update was fantastic.
I miss my monster whales
Uno b4 Polaris was superior..now, with all the boat updates Polaris has no leverage!! Those battle ships r murder. I mean it's really not fair. They need 2 give Polaris another update with somekind of battle ship. Also, yeah the prices now r kind of ridiculous & it takes longer 2 get the tech. 🤦🤦
I hate the new update, i tried keeping the older version but of course they updated after restarting, im thinking about uninstalling, but i spent money for the races, either way im screwed
I have always hated the giants
Everyone is ignoring the Swordsman nerf.....
You don't destroy a Meta, only change it.
Was expecting more breakdown and talk about the meta, not just a game being played
First! :D
I really love how much the update disrupted the meta. I found the sheer number of bardur players irritating and i like having variety in my games. This update has honestly brought me back into the game.
Also curious about peoples thoughts on how this update impacted elyrion. They feel weaker but im seeing them a lot in my games
I don't know why they put bridges if the bots aint using it, like????? IT COSTS MUCH LESS AND IT'S A BETTER STRATEGY 80% OF TIMES
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1v1 me gully, I’d win
Now show us how you play against Cymanti, that are "so easy to counter", effing broken pay to win game. Dementia devs
This update destroyed the whole game
Hate the update, this is the worst thing that’s ever come to the game. I think I’ll delete this rubbish app with no good devs forever.
(I play yaddak)
i still haven't gotten used to the new boats
and building farm doesn't feel as good