Ai-mo is underrated in ffa maps. If you can avoid fighting and build up, access to cheaper tech lets you outpace the rest of the map especially with embassies
Nemex, while Vengir is a very cool tribe, has an amazing look, and can be fun to play, it is not a strong tribe in the game compared to other tribes with better resources and starting tech
I find it funny as Vengir in its best possible scenario is tied with kickoo in its worst possible scenario. A crowded ffa dryland map. This shows this game has some deep balancing issues.
I'm surprised there's no list for 1v1 small lakes map. It's quite a popular map on polytopia and rarely have to wait for matchups. I also feel like it's the most balanced map of all types, since no S or even A tier tribe have a definite clear advantage over the other.
I never realized that each tibe had a resource rate. No wonder the Sword People lands always look like a wasteland and has edgey industrial music. The Road People used to be my favorite, then they raised the cost of the roads.
Your tier list is really cool and truthful because of your polychamps experience ! However, sometimes, the level of the player is more important than the tribe, because recently, I won a 256 tiles 1vs1 game as xin-xi against yaddak because I spotted villages early and I researched smithery which allowed me to pressure the riders with swordsmans ! But I agree with most of your rankings. Btw, thanks for your dedication in filling this channel, it is growing very fast and you are dominating the current polytopia views on youtube ❤
Absolutely. A skilled player with a mediocre tribe can usually beat an inexperienced player with a strong tribe. Also, luck can be a big factor in Polytopia
@@polychampions Not if played right, xin-xi should have been placed higher at least on 2v2, as while they may not have a turn zero tribe they can get up to speed and overtake multiple other tribes if played well, especially with their abundance of mines and forge areas.
Why doesn't Vengir get a military buff then? Like their giants get "Dash" to be like a "super swordsman" and being a reward for surviving that long while also keeping the early game super hard.
@@polychampions Yeah... It's the most popular thread on the "Game Suggestions" part. What's your thoughts on my idea? Other people say it's good that it's bad for "the meme". Well, it isn't my idea, it's just one some other guy had but I thought matched Vengir the most..
Dash isn't cool since giants move just one tile. Crabs have escape/dash skill and using it is very situational. Vengir's giant could attack after moving for example. This could be something practical but also could make them too powerful. Wdyt?
@polychampions Honestly, that's a great idea. I do think normally your idea would be considered too powerful, but due to this being... Vengir, it would be fair. It would be an appealing reward for actually surviving to the point that you could get a giant and also keep the challenge of playing Vengir. I guess it also works because Vengir's "identity" is their swordsmen, and making the giant being able to attack after moving would make the giant like a "super swordsmen." Honestly, your idea is far better than mine. I love it! ❤️ 😀
Vengir is the best tribe in the game, S teir. The swordsmen give me a good combat advantage early game. Economy is not a problem for me as there's usually enough animals to hunt early game, and enough ore to mine a bit later. Then I can spam markets mid to late game. 15 crazy bots have nothing on my great Vengir troops. ⚔
5:04 haven't played in PC in some time, but do people there not try to rush Philosophy before Organization/immediately after Organization? Seems like the best way to make use of the tech without it being relgated to a late game tech
@@polychampions depends on map, sure. Depends on resources... Idk. Again, I'm not sure if I just don't play Ai-Mo right or PC players play a little too safe. Using the example from your guide on when not to Philosophy rush (matching resources), unless you 100% plan on not getting Philosophy, you're actually still behind by not rushing Philosophy (if you rush, turn 6 starts with 11 stars, but if you don't rush, and upgrade as you shown, Philosophy costs 13 and you start turn 6 with only 19 stars). Those tech costs add up fast and getting it before Organization is much more important unless it's a small enough map where you expect to be attacked
Most of the list is good. Gotta disagree on Xin Xi. They aren't T0 but climbing is great for map mobility, unit positioning, and defense. Climbing lets you position archers or riders early-mid game, without getting in the way of your other troops and attacking from positions that would otherwise be unavailable. Mid-late game it opens mines and is good for positioning catapults out of the way of your land units. Essentially, you gain more map squares. Other tribes can buy it later on, but that will be in mid-late game after their economy is established. So, Xin Xi gets more map squares and positioning advantage for a decent chunk of the game before other tribes. The sight advantage and defense for your ranged units are just additional bonuses.
Sure. Climbing is great for vision and defense bonus on mountains. But by itself, it isn't great and cannot grow your cities or get your more troops. There are better starting techs
I’ve seen a recent trend that back in the day xin xi was known to be superior to ai mo but now people have changed their minds and have decided that ai mo is better now??🤔🤔
Ai-Mo is still not great. The only advantage to Ai-Mo is the Altar of Peace monument and the access to Philosophy. However, that is better than starting with climbing
Aquarion on water maps absolutely the best. Unfortunately lux is always struggling because of the resources they get, that's why it's not on a top position.
@@polychampions I only recently started playing. I'm guessin' a week after the new update dropped? I bought and started with Cymanti not knowin' anything about the game. At the time I thought they sucked so I bought Hoodrick and did pretty good. I'm very good with Cymanti now thougg, excellent team.
1v1 small drylands: Zeb is probably s tier with the swap of burn/destroy. Cym is not really s tier now that people have learnt to counter them 1v1 archi: cym seens terrible on water maps. They will just get obliterated by bokbers while having pretty much no way to counter them if you defend them. Ai-mo is certainly good, but probably not the same tier as zeb/imp. Id cobsider making a new tier for cym ai-mo lux quetz FFA dry: do like cym more in FFA than 1v1, but id probably still swap cym/zeb. maybe could have been good to mention Xin-Xi's high giant potential, but I doubt it impacts thier tier 2v2 Dry: I like cym a lot more in 2v2. Shared vision for hexapods and teammate can use ZOC to protect squishy units and break a kill zone which literally hard counters cym in 1v1. Quetz feels like it's better on water maps because of shields in boats but I guess it's still B. Zeb could maybe be A with burn/destroy swap, I think I have better results with zebasi than imperius currently 2v2 archi. Note cym is only 4pt in this set because of lakes map types. They are horrible on archi. Like seeing quetz in B.
@@polychampions ah ok then. Also I personally feel like cymanti is overrated but most of my experience is 1600-1700 elo randoms, so I haven't played much Vs recognised good players playing cymanti
Correct. Cymanti is not a true t0 tribe. Unless you have a lighthouse spawn and can move the shaman to uncover the light hose. However, most scenarios, cymanti is not a t0. The upgrade is on t1 However, Cymanti is one of the strongest tribes in the game, perhaps the single strongest if you look at drylands maps So calling it a t0 tribe is not quite accurate, but it is as strong or stronger than other t0 tribes
Read the text in the video and the description, please. We mentioned that it's based on v103. It took some time to gather the material and in the meantime v104 appeared. It doesn't change much though.
@@warbledDude grow up, they don't owe anybody anything, their channel their content. If you're so bent on a 104 version, make it and upload it yourself.
True. Everyone who worked on this video, all 8 PolyChamps league memebers, plus the narrator, were women. Actually, everyone in the PolyChamps league is a woman. Maybe we should rename this channel to "PolyChampions, a woman's PoV" :P
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Didn't expect oumaji and yădakk to be in the same tier after the road nerf
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And it was 😂
Yeah, Oumaji and Yadakk are comparable on almost every map type and scenario
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Espark Cym is a T1 tribe not T0 (unless corner spawn and you move the shaman to uncover the lighthouse)
Yeah, cym is not t0 tribe unless lighthouse spawn, but those were nerfed in 104
Yes. You can't get a workshop on the first first with Cymanti. However, most PolyChamps players consider Cymanti a t0 tribe
@@polychampions still seems like a poor use of terms. What's the point of words if they don't actually mean anything
Ai-mo is underrated in ffa maps. If you can avoid fighting and build up, access to cheaper tech lets you outpace the rest of the map especially with embassies
You mean philosophy with Ai-Mo. Sometimes it is worth it to get philosophy. Depends on what resources you start with
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this is wrong propaganda
vengir truly is the best tribe (cope)
Not it isn’t it’s horrible against gd players on bigger maps
Nemex, while Vengir is a very cool tribe, has an amazing look, and can be fun to play, it is not a strong tribe in the game compared to other tribes with better resources and starting tech
@@polychampions yea i know that
I find it funny as Vengir in its best possible scenario is tied with kickoo in its worst possible scenario.
A crowded ffa dryland map.
This shows this game has some deep balancing issues.
Such great and easy to understand commentary! Love this type of content pls make more!
There will be more. Stay tuned!
I'm surprised there's no list for 1v1 small lakes map. It's quite a popular map on polytopia and rarely have to wait for matchups. I also feel like it's the most balanced map of all types, since no S or even A tier tribe have a definite clear advantage over the other.
Thanks for the feedback. We'll include lakes in the next tier list video 🙌🏼
I never realized that each tibe had a resource rate.
No wonder the Sword People lands always look like a wasteland and has edgey industrial music.
The Road People used to be my favorite, then they raised the cost of the roads.
Yes. Vengir (the sword guys) have poor resources. It is rough for them to get a good economy
Glad to hear this was helpful
THANK YOU!!!!! please do this for every update I love this 💙
Of course! We will make updates when new versions happen
The starter tribes are surprisingly good
Yes. Bardur and Imperius are pretty good. Xin-xi and Oumaji, not so much
@@polychampions Finally a game where devs are not money hungry
Your tier list is really cool and truthful because of your polychamps experience ! However, sometimes, the level of the player is more important than the tribe, because recently, I won a 256 tiles 1vs1 game as xin-xi against yaddak because I spotted villages early and I researched smithery which allowed me to pressure the riders with swordsmans ! But I agree with most of your rankings. Btw, thanks for your dedication in filling this channel, it is growing very fast and you are dominating the current polytopia views on youtube ❤
Absolutely. A skilled player with a mediocre tribe can usually beat an inexperienced player with a strong tribe. Also, luck can be a big factor in Polytopia
Aint no way Kickoo placed above Hoodrick in drylands💀
Kickoo does alright on drylands. Not great, but alright. Hoodrick recently got nerfed because lumber huts cost 3 stars
@@polychampionsBut that still doesn’t make sense, does it? In drylands, there is absolutely 0 use for Kickoos tech. Hoodrick at least has an archer?
@@Johnny_L1kickoo force-spawns water with fish near it making it a t0 tribe on drylands
It's also useful to consider tribe resource spawn rates, even if their tech doesn't directly contribute very much
putting the xin-shi low is criminal, slow to start but a massive snowball effect, especially with quick access to forges
The problem with Xin-xi is that climbing doesn't help the economy or attack. It can take a long time for Xin-xi to catch up with other tribes
@@polychampions Not if played right, xin-xi should have been placed higher at least on 2v2, as while they may not have a turn zero tribe they can get up to speed and overtake multiple other tribes if played well, especially with their abundance of mines and forge areas.
agreed i think xin xi very underrated, economy is great and vision really aids early game decisions and strategy
I remember Swordsman rushing a friend of mine with Vengir.
He did not take it well and unleashed an infestation of rabbits
You mean the nature bunnies? Those are only an option in single player mode. Was your friend a bot?
@@polychampions it used to work in pass and play.
Also damn, you just roasted me 🤣
Why doesn't Vengir get a military buff then?
Like their giants get "Dash" to be like a "super swordsman" and being a reward for surviving that long while also keeping the early game super hard.
Yeah. Lots of players ask for Vengir buff
@@polychampions Yeah... It's the most popular thread on the "Game Suggestions" part. What's your thoughts on my idea?
Other people say it's good that it's bad for "the meme".
Well, it isn't my idea, it's just one some other guy had but I thought matched Vengir the most..
Dash isn't cool since giants move just one tile. Crabs have escape/dash skill and using it is very situational. Vengir's giant could attack after moving for example. This could be something practical but also could make them too powerful. Wdyt?
@polychampions Honestly, that's a great idea. I do think normally your idea would be considered too powerful, but due to this being... Vengir, it would be fair.
It would be an appealing reward for actually surviving to the point that you could get a giant and also keep the challenge of playing Vengir. I guess it also works because Vengir's "identity" is their swordsmen, and making the giant being able to attack after moving would make the giant like a "super swordsmen."
Honestly, your idea is far better than mine. I love it! ❤️ 😀
@@polychampions Do you think it's worth bringing up to Midjiwan? I was thinking of doing that but it's good I waited because I prefer your idea.
Vengir is the best tribe in the game, S teir. The swordsmen give me a good combat advantage early game. Economy is not a problem for me as there's usually enough animals to hunt early game, and enough ore to mine a bit later. Then I can spam markets mid to late game.
15 crazy bots have nothing on my great Vengir troops. ⚔
A true Vengir stan
Cymanti becomes so unfun the minute i have to cross waterways
Yup. Cymanti does not do so well on water maps
I didn't expect list to look like that. Very different from what I thought 🤔
Share what you expected it would look like 😁 We're curious @fugin4674
Cymanti bots are always kikcing my ahh everytime i let them develop for 15 turns
Cymanti is very strong. Watch out for those hexapods
5:04 haven't played in PC in some time, but do people there not try to rush Philosophy before Organization/immediately after Organization? Seems like the best way to make use of the tech without it being relgated to a late game tech
Depends on the map and resources. Check out our Ai-Mo Strategy guide for more details: th-cam.com/video/dMgccGGW0FE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=UKtKNnJ-51Wmwwot
@@polychampions depends on map, sure. Depends on resources... Idk. Again, I'm not sure if I just don't play Ai-Mo right or PC players play a little too safe. Using the example from your guide on when not to Philosophy rush (matching resources), unless you 100% plan on not getting Philosophy, you're actually still behind by not rushing Philosophy (if you rush, turn 6 starts with 11 stars, but if you don't rush, and upgrade as you shown, Philosophy costs 13 and you start turn 6 with only 19 stars). Those tech costs add up fast and getting it before Organization is much more important unless it's a small enough map where you expect to be attacked
this ai voice is impressively good, where did you find it?
ChatGPT 5.0 lol
This is my first polychampions video and I never even suspected the voice is AI. That's nuts.
Most of the list is good. Gotta disagree on Xin Xi. They aren't T0 but climbing is great for map mobility, unit positioning, and defense.
Climbing lets you position archers or riders early-mid game, without getting in the way of your other troops and attacking from positions that would otherwise be unavailable. Mid-late game it opens mines and is good for positioning catapults out of the way of your land units.
Essentially, you gain more map squares. Other tribes can buy it later on, but that will be in mid-late game after their economy is established.
So, Xin Xi gets more map squares and positioning advantage for a decent chunk of the game before other tribes. The sight advantage and defense for your ranged units are just additional bonuses.
Sure. Climbing is great for vision and defense bonus on mountains. But by itself, it isn't great and cannot grow your cities or get your more troops. There are better starting techs
I’ve seen a recent trend that back in the day xin xi was known to be superior to ai mo but now people have changed their minds and have decided that ai mo is better now??🤔🤔
Ai-Mo is still not great. The only advantage to Ai-Mo is the Altar of Peace monument and the access to Philosophy. However, that is better than starting with climbing
@@polychampions How would you buff ai mo? Just wandering
@@cupholderincorporatedProbably combine the techs somehow
Elyrion is b tier on archipelago just because they can afford navy more easily
But they can't get good sanctuary spots on archi
@@polychampions didn't think about that
La mejor tribu? Aquarion, sin duda
The best tribe? Aquarion or luxxidor
Aquarion on water maps absolutely the best. Unfortunately lux is always struggling because of the resources they get, that's why it's not on a top position.
Vengir is D tier in dryland? Bruh, come 1v1 me in tiny-dryland map
True. Vengir on Tiny drylands is very strong
poor vengir😢
Yeah, Vengir is in a sad spot
Vengir looks so cool. Too bad its the worst one 😔
Yes. Unfortunately, Vengir's looks can't make it a strong tribe
Imo vengir is a C tier tribe on dry
Nah. Vengir has a terrible economy. The only drylands map they do okay on is tiny
Oh yeah sry I thought that we were talking about small dry
Hoodrick is actually a very good team. Cymanti the best though.
Hoodrick is not as good as it used to be with lumber huts costing 3 stars
@@polychampions I only recently started playing. I'm guessin' a week after the new update dropped? I bought and started with Cymanti not knowin' anything about the game. At the time I thought they sucked so I bought Hoodrick and did pretty good.
I'm very good with Cymanti now thougg, excellent team.
Yes, with the update hood was significantly nerfed
1v1 small drylands: Zeb is probably s tier with the swap of burn/destroy. Cym is not really s tier now that people have learnt to counter them
1v1 archi: cym seens terrible on water maps. They will just get obliterated by bokbers while having pretty much no way to counter them if you defend them. Ai-mo is certainly good, but probably not the same tier as zeb/imp. Id cobsider making a new tier for cym ai-mo lux quetz
FFA dry: do like cym more in FFA than 1v1, but id probably still swap cym/zeb. maybe could have been good to mention Xin-Xi's high giant potential, but I doubt it impacts thier tier
2v2 Dry: I like cym a lot more in 2v2. Shared vision for hexapods and teammate can use ZOC to protect squishy units and break a kill zone which literally hard counters cym in 1v1. Quetz feels like it's better on water maps because of shields in boats but I guess it's still B. Zeb could maybe be A with burn/destroy swap, I think I have better results with zebasi than imperius currently
2v2 archi. Note cym is only 4pt in this set because of lakes map types. They are horrible on archi. Like seeing quetz in B.
True. We made this video on version 103, before burn forest was put in construction tech.
@@polychampions ah ok then. Also I personally feel like cymanti is overrated but most of my experience is 1600-1700 elo randoms, so I haven't played much Vs recognised good players playing cymanti
What is ffa??
FFA = Free For All. It's game with 3 or more players and not teams
Emperius and bardur is the best tribe
Agree
Yes. Bardur and Imerius are great
cymanti aint no turn 0 tribe
Correct. Cymanti is not a true t0 tribe. Unless you have a lighthouse spawn and can move the shaman to uncover the light hose. However, most scenarios, cymanti is not a t0. The upgrade is on t1
However, Cymanti is one of the strongest tribes in the game, perhaps the single strongest if you look at drylands maps
So calling it a t0 tribe is not quite accurate, but it is as strong or stronger than other t0 tribes
Poor vengir
Yeah. Vengir is in a sad state
Brother I want to unlock 1 tribe to play multiplayer
Pls give me 80INR for it
Yeah. No
You need to buy at least one tribe to get multiplayer access
Multiplayer servers cost money to run
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This list is outdated now because of fishing as t1 tech. v104 is the current version while this tierlist is v103.
Plus the data from 1v1 league is 99% inaccurate because it is from versions very far back.
Read the text in the video and the description, please. We mentioned that it's based on v103. It took some time to gather the material and in the meantime v104 appeared. It doesn't change much though.
@@polychampions There is 0 purpose in releasing a tierlist for an outdated version. It wouldn't have taken much effort to update it.
Tier list is still accurate tho
@@warbledDude grow up, they don't owe anybody anything, their channel their content. If you're so bent on a 104 version, make it and upload it yourself.
No pay to win btw
Nope, that's the beauty of Polytopia 😍
you forgot to put "a woman's opinion" at the end of title
True. Everyone who worked on this video, all 8 PolyChamps league memebers, plus the narrator, were women. Actually, everyone in the PolyChamps league is a woman. Maybe we should rename this channel to "PolyChampions, a woman's PoV" :P
@@polychampions you sound passive aggressive
Well better than sounding aggressive @@pokemonjynx1019