There will likely be pieces of the shrapnel that are inside the part of the plane that survived the crash. That should remove all propaganda explanations.
Even if it was a bird-strike (which it wasn't), Russia denying an emergency landing makes them just as culpable as if they had shot it down (which they obviously did). In fact, it's probably worse since a missile would likely be an accident.
Russia wanted the plane to crash into the sea and erase the evidence of them shooting it down. Heroic pilots flew to land in a country where they had confidence there would be an investigation. Russia denies everything - just like Trump, until eventually enough people believe the lie for it to become the truth.
Whatever it was, it was NOT a birdstrike!! As an airplane mechanic I have seen the aftermath of quite a few of them, but this one doesn't look like any of them.
you get paid for this and you still don't admit russia struck it? have you not seen the penetrations of shrapnel in the tail that did not come from the crach. I don't have patience with this /Bs \
You don't have to be an expert or an investigator to know that if a missile hits an airplane in the tail during flight, it will break into many small pieces while still in the air, and not fall intact to the ground as clear evidence. What do you think about that?
It's not eatting what media saying it's called having eyes open Russians need to open Them one day. What you think did all the damage in the plane then and on outside? Bet you don't reply as a coward
@@matussedlak4040 _> "You don't have to be an expert or an investigator to know that if a missile hits an airplane in the tail during flight, ..."_ Was it you or someone else who about MH17 crash telling completely opposite story about missile hitting front part of airplanes?
Completely denied by Russia of course! Never forget MH17 which suffered a similar fate and as yet to see anyone being held accountable for the tragic loss of life.
The external evidence on the skin of the tail section clearly shows inbound shrapnel i.e. fragments coming from the outside toward the inside - you cant change that by inventing stories of an internal explosion.
The only thing that is obvious so far, is that there was an explosion outside the plane at FL130-150, about 6 minutes flightime (IAS 270-300) as they left Grozniy traffic circuit for Baku. The flightcrew mistook the explosion for a birdstrike which they declared to ATC, along with the plane control being compromised - a few minutes later. Hereinafter: д = ATC; э = Crue, AXY8243 - Flightnumber. All in russian sinse both the ATC officer and the pilots are of russian origin (no difficalties with translation nowdays). Time is local (UTC +3) "08:11:58 д: AXY8243 с текущим курсом набирайте 900м э: С текущим курсом набираю 900м AXY8243 08:12:12 д: AXY8243 подтвердите, уходите на Баку запасной? э: Подтверждаю, уходим на Баку запасной AXY8243 ... 08:14:15 д: AXY8243 набирайте FL150 э: Набираем FL150 (неразборчиво) AXY8243 д: AXY8243 и ускорьте набор э: Ускоряем набор AXY8243 ... 08:16:05 э: У нас отказало управление, удар птиц в кабине. Удар птиц в кабине (неразборчиво). 08:16:16 д: AXY8243 вас понял, какая помощь вам нужна? 08:16:41 э: Какая в Мин-Водах погода, окажите пожалуйста помощь. ... д: AXY8243 борт порядок? э: Борт порядок, следуем на Мин-Воды. д: AXY8243 вас понял, следуйте с текущим курсом до команды. э: Понял, с текущим курсом следуем до команды. Пожалуйста, просьба большая погода Мин-Вод. д: AXY8243 ожидайте, набирайте FL150. э: Набираем FL150. 08:18:29 д: AXY8243 выполняйте левую орбиту. э: Не могу выполнять, управление теряется. Дайте нам векторение на Мин-Воды, и пожалуйста дайте нам погоду Мин-Вод. д: AXY8243 вас понял, ожидайте. Влево курс 030 э: Влево курс 030 08:19:12 э: Я не могу сохранять 150, у нас давление повышено в кабине д: AXY8243 вас понял. ... 08:20:27 д: AXY8243 влево курс 360 э: Влево 360, у меня самолет теряет управление. д: AXY8243 для информации погода Мин-Вод: ветер 120гр, 6 м/с, видимость более 10км, облачность сплошная нижний край 180м, QNH1024гПа, полоса в работе 11 э: Дай нам Махачкалу. 08:21:20 э: И Махачкалу. д: AXY8243 решили следовать на Махачкалу? э: Так точно, на Махачкалу дайте погоду. д: AXY8243 ожидайте. ..." Explosion demages, considering their size, shape, number and location (predominantly, tail fin, stab. and gargrot) speaks for less then 1000 gramm TNT equivalent explosion device filled with damaging elements. Detonation point estimated only 5 to 15 meters away from the aircraft, on the left side, behind the wing, 3 to 5 meters above the fuselage axel. Any russian light surface to air missile, e.g. "1055", that could be launched from Grozniy position, could not reach AXY8243 as it was allredy 3 to 4 times farther then the maximum 1055 range, and its still powerfull ehough to leave much more significant demage than the encaunted are. The medium class missile, e.g. "59", woud have cause way more dramatic damages with its 5000 gramm warhead (e.g. aircraft skin should have extensive indentations from severe detonation front, since the air at FL150 is still dense enough, but absolutely no indentations can be found. Shrapnel holes only). Besides, the one should consider big unformal CIS summit, callеd by Putin, started this same day. The West would love to disrupt this summit and some light long range ukranian or "ukranian" drone, controlled via Starlink channel with no distance limitation, definatelly could do the job. And, if so, than they partically succeed, because Aliev had been airborne (along with AXY8243) for the CIS summit in Saint-Petersburg and he cancelled his visit, turning his plane allmost above Moscow, back to Baku, as AXY8243 crashed. Unformal source says that the Aliev had even held direct voice comminication with AXY8243 flightcrew whilst such technical posibility existed. However, no statments and no solid evidence here (unfortunitally). The Wiki says about the crash, in its "Reason" section: "...shot down by russian air deffence missile - mistook for a drone...", but in the "Version" section of the same Wiki article the key words are already quite different: "probable cause"... The faster and the ultimative the news are, the less truth it brings. Global thinking is essential.
The plane was shot down by a Pantsir S1 air defense system August 12, 2022 A mini-missile has been developed for the Russian Pantsir-S1M anti-aircraft missile and gun systems, which allows for more effective shooting down of small-sized targets from a record-breaking distance of 500 meters. This was reported in an interview with RIA Novosti by Vladimir Artyakov, First Deputy General Director of the Rostec State Corporation. "A short-range anti-aircraft guided missile has been developed for the Pantsir-S1M system."
Suspect the pilots chose Kazakhstan as landing/crashing in Russia would lead to an uncertain outcome from the Russian authorities. If you know what I mean. Getting out of Russian airspace would also be the obvious choice to avoid any further air defence attack.
Denys Davidov, the ultra Ukrainian, explains very well why the pilots chose to head for Aktau, to save human lives, which they did. Though not their own.
@@grahamcook9289 , _> "When choosing to go to Kazakhstan the pilot was hoping for a safe landing, not a crash landing."_ Did I or someone else said opposite?
Russia: The Ukrainians did it! The FACT that Russia denied the plane landing at several Russian airports and ATC MADE them fly over the Caspian Sea, in hopes the plane would NOT reach the opposing coast to be inspected for it's damages, should speak volumes to the international community. The pilot did a fantastic job flying a huge plane, using only engine power to steer and attempt a landing, several times, is nothing less than incredible.
Okay, so we already know the accelerated American version, now we'll just have to wait for the detailed Russian report on the results. Or is it not suitable for someone and should it be closed as soon as possible?
It seems to me that the pilot had no response of the elevators, thats why he could not, was unable to bring her out of the dive, May be that the elevator cables was shot out. But all the holes seem to be from shrapnel of an explosion. from Outside of the plane. Birds do damage to engines but dont leave "bullet holes" in the fuselage. ruZZia is known for their lack of respect for human lives is evident at least since feb. 24 2022.
I saw a video from an American guy with pilot experience and he pointed out that the flight was level and straight until the plane neared the western side of the Caspian Sea, only then did it start to oscillate. I would guess….repeat guess that either a missile exploded nearby at that point or ….and more likely….that the hit took place earlier and the pilots initially had some control and they chose to cross the Caspian to land in another country but the controls gave out over the sea and the pilots then had only the engines to use as controls. It looks like the hydraulics gave out. The plane definitely had shrapnel holes in the tail area that survived. In this modern age of black ops I think one should not immediately assume it was a Russian shoot down even though they seem to be at the top of the list of suspects. A check of the passenger list might be informative in this regard, although if the plane was due to land in Russia anyway ….why down a plane to take the person out? The next days may well provide more information.
Lets see all the 'forensic evidence' laid out by an independent team for all to see, until then endless speculation has no place. This news source has a very chequered history when it comes to facts.
That same lady on the ground is shown in other video from the inside, while the plane was still flying. She was losing blood, the person who film her take images of a blood puddle close to the seat rail over the blue carpet. th-cam.com/video/8zZlIqguXD8/w-d-xo.html at 4:55 an 5:05 you can see the blood on the ground, same lady is in this video outside the crash plane.
Yes. They would not let it land at any of 3 available airports in Russia. It sent the plane across the Caspian Sea in hopes it would go down in the water.
Where do you get these people from? An aviation expert who describes " bring it down at all with life being salvaged on board". She is not an aviation expert. She doesn't even use the right terms. Surface of the fuselage. She means "The Tail". Endless "You know" s. The very human cost. Independency? What do those mean? Get your act together and prepare. No real insights at all. Maybe you should stick to cat stuck in tree stories.
Maybe you should stick to really Taking Time Out and stop posting comments like this.. pointless, and irrelevant. Her summary is an explanation not exercise in grammar!
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Yeah sash, keep watching the shining beacons of truth, rossiya 1, rossiya 24 and rossiya segodnya. There hasn't been an even slightly free media channel in muscovia since dozhd got the honor of being called inoagent and forced to leave. BTW, I really hope this makes those non-muscovan airlines still operating flights into the evil empire of mordor reconsider, as nothing would please me more than seeing the already hard-pressed aviation market of muscovia becoming even more hard-pressed. I'm sure airline insurance rates are already increasing, so ticket prices will likely increase.
I think you have The TIMES mixed up with rossiya segodnya, rossiya 1 etc. Contrary to vatnik believes, western press is actually free and independent. I know this sounds outlandish to a rather obtuse vatnik, but it is what it is. Now go collect a potato for making a post.
@@lc4biker ‘Western Press free and independent’ …hilarious statement. If you think that you need help. No mix up, Times Radio owned by News UK, part of the Murdoch media empire. ‘It is what it is’ …why do people use this ridiculous redundant statement. Where do I collect my Potato please ?
@@gozitan5 ok so I’ve re-read your post. So let me ask you another question: what is it about the video they posted that indicates they are a propaganda channel?
@@humbertomonteiro6742 smart one you are. If this plane was shot down. it was an accident at least, not like Iran Air Flight 655 - 270 passengers killed and the facts buried and lied about by the US
All because of Ukraine drone attacks ,Russia had to send air defence system to protect Chechnya agains drone attacks , ordinary people will always suffer ,imagine if Azerbaijanian president’s Alievs family members were in that plane or vice versa Kadirovs family we could get another conflict BTW Azerbajanian airlines death compensations is a joke …👎👎👎 20000$ and $10000 for injuries 👎👎👎👎
@DerekWilliamsMusic I would expect a real news outlet to examine all the facts before coming to a conclusion. There has been no investigation so far but already TR knows who did it.
I just have a few questions..... I can't understand how it's possible that when there's an accident in the USA, Britain or any other Western world, the entire investigation takes several years and the costs are incredibly high. And here scientists and forensic investigators from Azerbaijan have the results of the investigation in just a few days? Because the entire Western world considers this part of the world to be extremely backward. Or did Western investigators simply like to help them make it the way they want? Isn't the investigation too hasty, suspicious? Similar to when Ukraine accidentally hit Poland with a missile, but after a few days they announced that it was Russia. But time has shown the truth, as always.
@@gregbernini3244 I agree that most of the time it's a technical fault, but not just in the West but everywhere in the world. Try looking at the statistics and you'll see that in the West, planes crash much more often for technical reasons and not just because there's more of them there. Or do you think that when a plane is hit in the tail by a missile or something else in flight, that part is the only part that miraculously lands intact? In my opinion, the part that has the most damage is usually hit, not the part that lands intact. Does that make any sense?
Could the shrapnel in the fuselage be from the engine possibly exploding had it hit a flock of birds in the foggy conditions 🤷🏼♂️ no investigative journalists here 😂 FAKE NEWS all round but keep trying 👏🏻 we love a trier 🙌🏻
@@adamc9058 also the holes in the tail are not perpendicular to the axis of rotation of the engine. inspection of the engines now will confirm or deny any absurd birdstrike explosion theory.
Even an idiot knows a missile tried to blow it out of the sky, just like Malaysian Airlines. This time there are surviving eye witnesses.
This isnt the first passenger plane they shot down. Disgusting
The Russians will want to send the same team who investigated Prigozhin's plane crash.
Of course the "best" team they have.
There will likely be pieces of the shrapnel that are inside the part of the plane that survived the crash. That should remove all propaganda explanations.
If Kazakh authorities won't try to cover up the but of putin.
Inside the victims.
Even if it was a bird-strike (which it wasn't), Russia denying an emergency landing makes them just as culpable as if they had shot it down (which they obviously did). In fact, it's probably worse since a missile would likely be an accident.
Russia wanted the plane to crash into the sea and erase the evidence of them shooting it down. Heroic pilots flew to land in a country where they had confidence there would be an investigation. Russia denies everything - just like Trump, until eventually enough people believe the lie for it to become the truth.
And let's not forget that the Russians can't mess with the investigation in Kazakhstan.
@@FirstNameLastName-hy1pfthat has been reported... it crashed 3miles short of the runway
@@websitemartian , I know that airplane
crashed 3 miles away from runway. Why are you telling this to me?
Oh, give it a break. The most famous liars on earth are Russians. For generations. This is clearly Russia trying to cover up yet another atrocity.
Putin is upset the plane didn't come down in Chechnya where the surviving passengers could have been disappeared.
You are lying like Ukrainian.
Whatever it was, it was NOT a birdstrike!!
As an airplane mechanic I have seen the aftermath of quite a few of them, but this one doesn't look like any of them.
Why not?
@@0090andrew Did you see the photos of the damage? Don't be silly.
Yup, and the fact Russia so quickly claimed a bird strike as an explanation when literally no else has been such a claim is very telling.
It was a flock of steel beaked birds.
This is not the time for infantile and insensitive jokes for goodness sake.
Birds do not throw sharpnel!
Putin needs to be:----------------
Put down?
@@tolremlike a cockroach
Where ARE Mi6 or the CiA ffs?!?!
you get paid for this and you still don't admit russia struck it? have you not seen the penetrations of shrapnel in the tail that did not come from the crach. I don't have patience with this /Bs
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You don't have to be an expert or an investigator to know that if a missile hits an airplane in the tail during flight, it will break into many small pieces while still in the air, and not fall intact to the ground as clear evidence. What do you think about that?
Lol keep eating what the media feeds you 🤡
It's not eatting what media saying it's called having eyes open Russians need to open Them one day. What you think did all the damage in the plane then and on outside? Bet you don't reply as a coward
@matussedlak4040 you do know the missiles don't hit the targets 😂they explode near it😂
@@matussedlak4040 _> "You don't have to be an expert or an investigator to know that if a missile hits an airplane in the tail during flight, ..."_
Was it you or someone else who about MH17 crash telling completely opposite story about missile hitting front part of airplanes?
So much amazing flying from the pilots they are hero! RIP to the people who died and I pray that the survivors get help
It was caused by drunken thieves from Russia with the help of a missile! What else is new?
Completely denied by Russia of course!
Never forget MH17 which suffered a similar fate and as yet to see anyone being held accountable for the tragic loss of life.
@@gregorydesleskine3413 Ukraine…false flag.
If it is the same people who are conducting the investigation as for Prigozhin's plane, a passenger unpinned a gr3nade on board.
The external evidence on the skin of the tail section clearly shows inbound shrapnel i.e. fragments coming from the outside toward the inside - you cant change that by inventing stories of an internal explosion.
The plane fall cause of some "birds"; Ursa Major sank cause of some terroristic action. Ok pootin 🤡
Fighter jet blown down from friendly fire right 😂🤡
@@Bianconero1926 How many friendly fire incidents, resulting in the loss of aircrat, have occurred by russia since Feb 2022? 😁
"flock of birds" - Russian metal birds!
The only thing that is obvious so far, is that there was an explosion outside the plane at FL130-150, about 6 minutes flightime (IAS 270-300) as they left Grozniy traffic circuit for Baku.
The flightcrew mistook the explosion for a birdstrike which they declared to ATC, along with the plane control being compromised - a few minutes later.
Hereinafter: д = ATC; э = Crue, AXY8243 - Flightnumber.
All in russian sinse both the ATC officer and the pilots are of russian origin (no difficalties with translation nowdays).
Time is local (UTC +3)
"08:11:58
д: AXY8243 с текущим курсом набирайте 900м
э: С текущим курсом набираю 900м AXY8243
08:12:12
д: AXY8243 подтвердите, уходите на Баку запасной?
э: Подтверждаю, уходим на Баку запасной AXY8243
...
08:14:15
д: AXY8243 набирайте FL150
э: Набираем FL150 (неразборчиво) AXY8243
д: AXY8243 и ускорьте набор
э: Ускоряем набор AXY8243
...
08:16:05
э: У нас отказало управление, удар птиц в кабине. Удар птиц в кабине (неразборчиво).
08:16:16
д: AXY8243 вас понял, какая помощь вам нужна?
08:16:41
э: Какая в Мин-Водах погода, окажите пожалуйста помощь.
...
д: AXY8243 борт порядок?
э: Борт порядок, следуем на Мин-Воды.
д: AXY8243 вас понял, следуйте с текущим курсом до команды.
э: Понял, с текущим курсом следуем до команды. Пожалуйста, просьба большая погода Мин-Вод.
д: AXY8243 ожидайте, набирайте FL150.
э: Набираем FL150.
08:18:29
д: AXY8243 выполняйте левую орбиту.
э: Не могу выполнять, управление теряется. Дайте нам векторение на Мин-Воды, и пожалуйста дайте нам погоду Мин-Вод.
д: AXY8243 вас понял, ожидайте. Влево курс 030
э: Влево курс 030
08:19:12
э: Я не могу сохранять 150, у нас давление повышено в кабине
д: AXY8243 вас понял.
...
08:20:27
д: AXY8243 влево курс 360
э: Влево 360, у меня самолет теряет управление.
д: AXY8243 для информации погода Мин-Вод: ветер 120гр, 6 м/с, видимость более 10км, облачность сплошная нижний край 180м, QNH1024гПа, полоса в работе 11
э: Дай нам Махачкалу.
08:21:20
э: И Махачкалу.
д: AXY8243 решили следовать на Махачкалу?
э: Так точно, на Махачкалу дайте погоду.
д: AXY8243 ожидайте.
..."
Explosion demages, considering their size, shape, number and location (predominantly, tail fin, stab. and gargrot) speaks for less then 1000 gramm TNT equivalent explosion device filled with damaging elements.
Detonation point estimated only 5 to 15 meters away from the aircraft, on the left side, behind the wing, 3 to 5 meters above the fuselage axel.
Any russian light surface to air missile, e.g. "1055", that could be launched from Grozniy position, could not reach AXY8243 as it was allredy 3 to 4 times farther then the maximum 1055 range, and its still powerfull ehough to leave much more significant demage than the encaunted are. The medium class missile, e.g. "59", woud have cause way more dramatic damages with its 5000 gramm warhead (e.g. aircraft skin should have extensive indentations from severe detonation front, since the air at FL150 is still dense enough, but absolutely no indentations can be found. Shrapnel holes only).
Besides, the one should consider big unformal CIS summit, callеd by Putin, started this same day.
The West would love to disrupt this summit and some light long range ukranian or "ukranian" drone, controlled via Starlink channel with no distance limitation, definatelly could do the job.
And, if so, than they partically succeed, because Aliev had been airborne (along with AXY8243) for the CIS summit in Saint-Petersburg and he cancelled his visit, turning his plane allmost above Moscow, back to Baku, as AXY8243 crashed.
Unformal source says that the Aliev had even held direct voice comminication with AXY8243 flightcrew whilst such technical posibility existed.
However, no statments and no solid evidence here (unfortunitally).
The Wiki says about the crash, in its "Reason" section: "...shot down by russian air deffence missile - mistook for a drone...", but in the "Version" section of the same Wiki article the key words are already quite different: "probable cause"...
The faster and the ultimative the news are, the less truth it brings.
Global thinking is essential.
😂😂, flying at 10000mt hight
Birds need a lot of oxygen. Never fly that high.
@@torreyvent9429The highest registered birdstrike for now was at FL370 (11300 meters).
That's right...Russia is an evil country
The plane was shot down by a Pantsir S1 air defense system
August 12, 2022
A mini-missile has been developed for the Russian Pantsir-S1M anti-aircraft missile and gun systems, which allows for more effective shooting down of small-sized targets from a record-breaking distance of 500 meters. This was reported in an interview with RIA Novosti by Vladimir Artyakov, First Deputy General Director of the Rostec State Corporation.
"A short-range anti-aircraft guided missile has been developed for the Pantsir-S1M system."
this is not a small sized target
@@chrisz4013
That day, the Russians announced that Grozny was being attacked by drones.
Putin’s criminal regime just keeps compounding its barbarity.
NATO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR
PROVOKED RUSSIA 🇷🇺
NATO IS A CRIMINAL ORGANISATION WITHOUT LAWS
IF YOU DON'T OBEY THEN CHANGE REGIME OR ILLEGAL INVASION
I’m no expert but I can’t think of anything other than a weapon that would cause those kind of holes
O.M.Gosh, just knowing. Horrific. RIP.
A.I. Bots on here is insane.
There is a lot of people who want do more than criticize putin !.
Suspect the pilots chose Kazakhstan as landing/crashing in Russia would lead to an uncertain outcome from the Russian authorities. If you know what I mean. Getting out of Russian airspace would also be the obvious choice to avoid any further air defence attack.
Denys Davidov, the ultra Ukrainian, explains very well why the pilots chose to head for Aktau, to save human lives, which they did. Though not their own.
... _> "and landing/crashing in Russia"_
Nonsense. Plane made crash landing in Kazakhstan.
@@FirstNameLastName-hy1pf When choosing to go to Kazakhstan the pilot was hoping for a safe landing, not a crash landing.
@@grahamcook9289 , _> "When choosing to go to Kazakhstan the pilot was hoping for a safe landing, not a crash landing."_
Did I or someone else said opposite?
Russia: The Ukrainians did it!
The FACT that Russia denied the plane landing at several Russian airports and ATC MADE them fly over the Caspian Sea, in hopes the plane would NOT reach the opposing coast to be inspected for it's damages, should speak volumes to the international community.
The pilot did a fantastic job flying a huge plane, using only engine power to steer and attempt a landing, several times, is nothing less than incredible.
Those forensics officers should video what they are doing and pass that to the newsreader and press, not keep secrets!
when will you talk about the Kurds who saved the world from extremism? Do you know Turkey is committing genocide against the Kurds?
So true.... They don't like the Kurds because the Kurds are not muslims...
west supports it so no
Ryan Mcbeth does some great open source news if anyone wants a really good detailed video of type of system used and analysis.
Yup
Okay, so we already know the accelerated American version, now we'll just have to wait for the detailed Russian report on the results. Or is it not suitable for someone and should it be closed as soon as possible?
@@matussedlak4040 Theres clear shrapnel marks are all over the plane... Russia had lied 3 times about the event already
@@matussedlak4040 "American" You realise that Times Radio is British?
Вы понимаете, что Times Radio - британское?
Clearly it was bird strike - by woodpeckers, judging from the holes in the tail section!
Metalpeckers?
Either the fuselage was made in china or the woodpeckers came from Germany,@@peterstaniforth451
This is what happens when an evil dictator invades a neighbouring country, then a greedy neighbouring dictator continues to do business with them.
NATO PROVOKED RUSSIA 🇷🇺
EDUCATE YOURSELF
I'm surprised this hasn't happened more often over the past two years.
It seems to me that the pilot had no response of the elevators, thats why he could not, was unable to bring her out of the dive, May be that the elevator cables was shot out. But all the holes seem to be from shrapnel of an explosion. from Outside of the plane. Birds do damage to engines but dont leave "bullet holes" in the fuselage.
ruZZia is known for their lack of respect for human lives is evident at least since feb. 24 2022.
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Another special military operation!!! Way to go !
I saw a video from an American guy with pilot experience and he pointed out that the flight was level and straight until the plane neared the western side of the Caspian Sea, only then did it start to oscillate. I would guess….repeat guess that either a missile exploded nearby at that point or ….and more likely….that the hit took place earlier and the pilots initially had some control and they chose to cross the Caspian to land in another country but the controls gave out over the sea and the pilots then had only the engines to use as controls. It looks like the hydraulics gave out. The plane definitely had shrapnel holes in the tail area that survived. In this modern age of black ops I think one should not immediately assume it was a Russian shoot down even though they seem to be at the top of the list of suspects. A check of the passenger list might be informative in this regard, although if the plane was due to land in Russia anyway ….why down a plane to take the person out? The next days may well provide more information.
Does the name Prigozhin ring any bells for you?
It was denied landing due to Ukrainian drone activity in the area is also being discussed.
Don’t openly blame Russia. That is power and fear. Too bad we don’t have it in the west.
Russa pay this
Times Radio is a reliable source of BS 😂
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The question is was it shot down intentionally or was it the fault of an errant automatic controlled system.?
Lets see all the 'forensic evidence' laid out by an independent team for all to see, until then endless speculation has no place. This news source has a very chequered history when it comes to facts.
Yes, lets. You know who have extremely chequered history when it comes to facts? ruzzia
"chequered history" and the Earth is flat.
и Земля плоская.
Russian troll alert…
Nice try, comrade. You earned your .50 ruble today! 😂
@evaluateanalysis7974 Your ignorance embarrasses you.
Did the responsible of Russian air defense already fall from his balcony?
Lost PITCH COTROL.
HYDROLICS.
Damn putin!
Bird strikes may cause a plane to crash. However a bird strike taking out the hydraulic s. No chance.
Really? The main thing that indicates it was shot down was it going up and down? Not the shrapnel punctures all through the fuselage?
Here we Go again Russia Russia Russia if we don't want to tell the truth we blame it on Russia
Who was it then? "Mary"
How many times Russia will shot down passengers planes ? Putin must be called to respond! This man don't belong to humanity! Jail him!
That same lady on the ground is shown in other video from the inside, while the plane was still flying. She was losing blood, the person who film her take images of a blood puddle close to the seat rail over the blue carpet. th-cam.com/video/8zZlIqguXD8/w-d-xo.html at 4:55 an 5:05 you can see the blood on the ground, same lady is in this video outside the crash plane.
NATO propaganda machine also said Ukraine was winning
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Kremlin bot.
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Why is everything Russia Russia...stop with bs
Why on earth did the plane fly across the Caspian Sea?????? Did air traffic control tell them???
Yes. They would not let it land at any of 3 available airports in Russia. It sent the plane across the Caspian Sea in hopes it would go down in the water.
Can you wait for the conclusion of the investigation?
Wake me up when Putin is held to account. Otherwise it’s all hot air.
fowl play......
Where do you get these people from? An aviation expert who describes " bring it down at all with life being salvaged on board".
She is not an aviation expert. She doesn't even use the right terms. Surface of the fuselage. She means "The Tail".
Endless "You know" s. The very human cost. Independency? What do those mean?
Get your act together and prepare. No real insights at all.
Maybe you should stick to cat stuck in tree stories.
Maybe you should stick to really Taking Time Out and stop posting comments like this.. pointless, and irrelevant. Her summary is an explanation not exercise in grammar!
I found out more myself from watching video and other information about the crash. Who is she?
Will it be the same people who investigated the pipeline?
This is a known Russian bot.
a sorry would be on it s place no? more people died for nothing ..for god sake
Times always good and Russia always bad . This can totally sum up the TR propaganda Chanel.
Shameless Russia still playing the innocent card.😂😂😂
Meanwhile israel has just bombed an international airport, and crickets........
Wow this is a terrible youtube channel.
Another kindergarten levels expert.
Another Kremlin bot.
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Which outsider ???? The Ukrainian secret service??😂
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It would have never made it to the ground if it was a russian military strike, total nonsense,lies upon lies😂😂
Propaganda channel. I ignore even if it reports the truth, just like the BBC.
Why do you think this is propaganda?
😂😂😂😢, warning putler bot here....
Yeah sash, keep watching the shining beacons of truth, rossiya 1, rossiya 24 and rossiya segodnya. There hasn't been an even slightly free media channel in muscovia since dozhd got the honor of being called inoagent and forced to leave. BTW, I really hope this makes those non-muscovan airlines still operating flights into the evil empire of mordor reconsider, as nothing would please me more than seeing the already hard-pressed aviation market of muscovia becoming even more hard-pressed. I'm sure airline insurance rates are already increasing, so ticket prices will likely increase.
@@josephgonzalez_it’s propaganda because propaganda is very convincing to feeble minded like yourself
Propaganda channel
@@gozitan5 what do you think brought the plane down, taking into account the clear shrapnel holes to the body of the aircraft?
@ You need to re read my post paying attention to both words not just one.
I think you have The TIMES mixed up with rossiya segodnya, rossiya 1 etc. Contrary to vatnik believes, western press is actually free and independent. I know this sounds outlandish to a rather obtuse vatnik, but it is what it is. Now go collect a potato for making a post.
@@lc4biker ‘Western Press free and independent’ …hilarious statement. If you think that you need help.
No mix up, Times Radio owned by News UK, part of the Murdoch media empire.
‘It is what it is’ …why do people use this ridiculous redundant statement.
Where do I collect my Potato please ?
@@gozitan5 ok so I’ve re-read your post. So let me ask you another question: what is it about the video they posted that indicates they are a propaganda channel?
Best to wait until the flight investigators have actually concluded rather than make stuff up, I find. This plane was 100 miles off course.
It was 100 off course BECAUSE Russia hit it with a missile and they were forced to fly over the sea as pilots fought to control it.
😂😂😂😂😂, yes ivan, like the Malaysian MH17 flight, right??
@@humbertomonteiro6742 smart one you are. If this plane was shot down. it was an accident at least, not like Iran Air Flight 655 - 270 passengers killed and the facts buried and lied about by the US
Oooo! Whataboutism! Good one! 🖕
All because of Ukraine drone attacks ,Russia had to send air defence system to protect Chechnya agains drone attacks , ordinary people will always suffer ,imagine if Azerbaijanian president’s Alievs family members were in that plane or vice versa Kadirovs family we could get another conflict
BTW Azerbajanian airlines death compensations is a joke …👎👎👎 20000$ and $10000 for injuries 👎👎👎👎
TR flooding the zone with "Russia dunnit", makes me assume that someone else did.
So if Russia DID do it, you expect them to say Russia did NOT do it?
@DerekWilliamsMusic I would expect a real news outlet to examine all the facts before coming to a conclusion.
There has been no investigation so far but already TR knows who did it.
I just have a few questions..... I can't understand how it's possible that when there's an accident in the USA, Britain or any other Western world, the entire investigation takes several years and the costs are incredibly high. And here scientists and forensic investigators from Azerbaijan have the results of the investigation in just a few days? Because the entire Western world considers this part of the world to be extremely backward. Or did Western investigators simply like to help them make it the way they want? Isn't the investigation too hasty, suspicious? Similar to when Ukraine accidentally hit Poland with a missile, but after a few days they announced that it was Russia. But time has shown the truth, as always.
You will get less comment because lots of Ukraine Bots here don't like reality or too biased
Some investigations take longer than others, depending on the scenario.
Because our aircraft don’t get shot down it’s usually a technical fault which takes a lot longer to investigate🙄🇬🇧
@@gregbernini3244 I agree that most of the time it's a technical fault, but not just in the West but everywhere in the world. Try looking at the statistics and you'll see that in the West, planes crash much more often for technical reasons and not just because there's more of them there. Or do you think that when a plane is hit in the tail by a missile or something else in flight, that part is the only part that miraculously lands intact? In my opinion, the part that has the most damage is usually hit, not the part that lands intact. Does that make any sense?
Could the shrapnel in the fuselage be from the engine possibly exploding had it hit a flock of birds in the foggy conditions 🤷🏼♂️ no investigative journalists here 😂 FAKE NEWS all round but keep trying 👏🏻 we love a trier 🙌🏻
Engines don’t explode when they hit a flock of birds! 🙄
Airline engines are designed to contain the spinning bits during a catastrophic failure.
@@mrclassic2284 - No debris?🙌🏻
@@adamc9058 its like a scatter shield on a dragster transmission, if the transmission explodes the “debris” is contained.
@@adamc9058 also the holes in the tail are not perpendicular to the axis of rotation of the engine. inspection of the engines now will confirm or deny any absurd birdstrike explosion theory.
Russia sees Israel killing civilians, without consequences, and gets ideas.
Nato is to blame for this one for not getting involved in the war when it started 3 years ago and going all out against Russia
Propaganda at its finest
What is propaganda ?
@@ddelin100feeble minded cannot see through propaganda. You answered your own question.
But you love it so much that you watch and comment. What does that say about you?
Russia will be in a big, big trouble for this. 🥱