I’ve been watching this series and have watched this particular video 2 times with my husband and teenage sons. We so appreciate your research. Well done.
This is so refreshing! I want her to teaching at a worship service, where one of the band members said that when Jesus said this, he said it because he didn’t understand what was happening to him. And I remember thinking, he was talking about his death for a bunch of chapters already this isn’t a surprise to him.I really enjoyed this series! I wish it was continuing!
Thank you for your well researched and presented videos. I have heard it said that quoting the first phrase of a section of Scripture was done in ancient times prior to the modern insertions of chapter and verse, but I wonder then - why does everyone present at the cross miss the reference and think Jesus is calling on Elijah to save him? Mt 27:47
Two distinct possibilities: 1.) Jesus has endured a vicious beating and is nearing the end of a gruesome crucifixion. There's a very real possibility that as Jesus speaks, His voice is weak and His words are garbled. Since the first two words of Psalm 22 are, "Eli, Eli" and Elijah's name is Eliyahu, it wouldn't be surprising if people could only make out these words, and then jumped to the conclusion that He was calling to Elijah. 2.) There is a later tradition from the Babylonian Talmud of people calling on Elijah in times of distress. The final version of the Babylonian Talmud dates to the 5th Century, but it was compiled over the course of centuries. It's hard to say how long the tradition of calling on Elijah in times of distress was in use prior to being included in the Babylonian Talmud.
I can’t help but think that Malachi 3:1 and 4:5-6 were verses that were in their heads. In brief, perhaps they thought that Jesus, by calling on Elijah, he would hasten the coming of the Lord. In fact, Elijah (John the Baptist) had already come…And Jesus was in fact the Lord. Just a thought…
@@bernardware3190 Agreed. It's hard to overestimate the way their Scripture-soaked memories were at work. One of our deep hopes is that followers of Jesus today will be able to share in that same Scripture soaked memory. Always love your comments and engagement Bernard!
Good catch, David! It is Psalm 31:5 in most English translations (NASB, NIV, ESV, etc.), but in the JPS (Jewish Publication Society) translation, it's listed as Psalm 31:6. Jewish translations often have a different verse numbering system. We used the JPS version for this particular passage because it more accurately captures the Hebrew. However, we should have noted in the teaching that most other English translations will have it listed as Psalm 31:5.
Jesus was forsaken of God momentarily while on the cross. Reference: Physical death is separation of the human body from the spirit and soul. Death is not annihilation. Spiritual death is separate of humanity from God. God told Adam in Genesis 2;17 “ 6:23 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.” After Adam’s ate of the forbidden fruit, that day Adam died Spiritually Genesis 3;23,24 “Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. 24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.” Then many years later, Adam died a physical death due to his disobedience to God’s command not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Therefore, Jesus died Spiritually for a brief time while on the cross. (my God, my God why have you forsaken me.) Then Jesus died physically when in Luke 23;46 “And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.” Adam died Spiritually & physically due to the wages of sin. Jesus’ died Spiritually and physically on the cross at Calvary to redeem fallen humanity for all that will believe on Christ with faith and repentance!
No disrespect intended but why would Jesus quote Psalm 22 and ask why God had abandoned Him if He hadn't abandoned Him? I thought Jesus tasted death, separation from God, on our behalf so that we would never have to taste it? If death - separation from God, abandonment - is the wages of sin, then surely God the Father had to abandon His Son in order for His Son to take the whole of God's wrath on our behalf? But because He had no sin of His own, death couldn't hold Him and He rose again. Even though Jesus quotes Psalm 22 on the cross, it doesn't necessarily mean He wasn't abandoned, does it? I currently still believe that the Father abandoned Jesus on the cross otherwise how could He have died? Perhaps there's something I can't see. I'll keep praying about it. When Jesus cried out 'Why have You forsaken Me?' would not the hearers be forced to answer 'He forsook You to take the punishment on my behalf'?
None taken. We're simply trying to demonstrate the Hebraic context of Jesus's life and ministry. We believe the evidence supports a much more thoughtful and nuanced understanding of Jesus's words. When you read the book of Psalms, the kinds of prayers and poems found within fall into two general categories of lament and praise. Laments dominate the early part of the Psalms, and psalms of praise dominate the latter part of the book of Psalms. However, even within a lament psalm, you find a movement from despair to hope. Usually, a lament begins with a questions-some kind of heartache-"How long Oh Lord?" Yet, laments often resolve in an affirmation of trust. Despite the circumstances, God can be trusted. That Jesus would quote this Psalm in Matthew, Mark, and John seems to be evidence of His confidence in God, despite His circumstances.
I have heard both interpretations: that God's Spirit had abandoned His humanity and also that Jesus was quoting Psalm 22. You are right to say that Jesus was God. A Spirit can't die, so he took on a human body so He could pay our debt in full! Jesus said in John 5:39, "Search the Scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." I appreciate your desire to search the Scriptures. May God give you further revelation of Who He is as you study His Word. One God. No trinity.
I've enjoyed these out of context Bible studies immensely. However, I think you got this one wrong. I do not think that a man who is dying a painful death on a cross is going to be remembering to quote scripture verses to prove who he was. It is more likely that the events that occurred on the cross for predicted or prophesied in the Psalms of David. I still believe that God had to turn his back on Jesus while he was on the cross since he had put the sins of the world upon his son and God cannot be in the presence of sin. Jesus felt the father turn his back on his son when he placed the sins of the world upon his son.
Thank you Jesus for saving a wretch like me ❤
Thank you so much. I have enjoyed this series immensely.
Thanks Linda. Us too!
Amen, praise God, thanks Lord for all you did fornus 🎉❤🙏. And thank you brother for expanding the scriptures 👏. God bless you
Truly incredible ❤
So meaty..can’t tell if this is preaching or teaching. I would say yes! This content is so good. What a blessing.
I’ve been watching this series and have watched this particular video 2 times with my husband and teenage sons. We so appreciate your research. Well done.
So encouraged to hear that you're digging in and processing these words with your sons!
Wow! Thank you! Wonderful info and message!
This is so refreshing! I want her to teaching at a worship service, where one of the band members said that when Jesus said this, he said it because he didn’t understand what was happening to him. And I remember thinking, he was talking about his death for a bunch of chapters already this isn’t a surprise to him.I really enjoyed this series! I wish it was continuing!
Thank you for your well researched and presented videos. I have heard it said that quoting the first phrase of a section of Scripture was done in ancient times prior to the modern insertions of chapter and verse, but I wonder then - why does everyone present at the cross miss the reference and think Jesus is calling on Elijah to save him? Mt 27:47
That's a great question. Instead of responding on the fly, we're going to do a little digging, but will get back with you!
Great point! Very interested in what you dig up!
Two distinct possibilities: 1.) Jesus has endured a vicious beating and is nearing the end of a gruesome crucifixion. There's a very real possibility that as Jesus speaks, His voice is weak and His words are garbled. Since the first two words of Psalm 22 are, "Eli, Eli" and Elijah's name is Eliyahu, it wouldn't be surprising if people could only make out these words, and then jumped to the conclusion that He was calling to Elijah. 2.) There is a later tradition from the Babylonian Talmud of people calling on Elijah in times of distress. The final version of the Babylonian Talmud dates to the 5th Century, but it was compiled over the course of centuries. It's hard to say how long the tradition of calling on Elijah in times of distress was in use prior to being included in the Babylonian Talmud.
I can’t help but think that Malachi 3:1 and 4:5-6 were verses that were in their heads. In brief, perhaps they thought that Jesus, by calling on Elijah, he would hasten the coming of the Lord.
In fact, Elijah (John the Baptist) had already come…And Jesus was in fact the Lord.
Just a thought…
@@bernardware3190 Agreed. It's hard to overestimate the way their Scripture-soaked memories were at work. One of our deep hopes is that followers of Jesus today will be able to share in that same Scripture soaked memory. Always love your comments and engagement Bernard!
Amen!
So informative!!! I also am fond of randal smith😊
In a nutshell, the phrase “My God, my God..” was basically Jesus saying “Psalm 22 is occurring right now.”
Exactly!
A great refresher from the Israel study tour. Minor typo .. should psalm 31:6 be 31:5 ?
Good catch, David! It is Psalm 31:5 in most English translations (NASB, NIV, ESV, etc.), but in the JPS (Jewish Publication Society) translation, it's listed as Psalm 31:6. Jewish translations often have a different verse numbering system. We used the JPS version for this particular passage because it more accurately captures the Hebrew. However, we should have noted in the teaching that most other English translations will have it listed as Psalm 31:5.
Amen.
Just wow.
Paid in full!!!
YES!!!
Jesus was forsaken of God momentarily while on the cross. Reference: Physical death is separation of the human body from the spirit and soul. Death is not annihilation. Spiritual death is separate of humanity from God. God told Adam in Genesis 2;17 “ 6:23 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
After Adam’s ate of the forbidden fruit, that day Adam died Spiritually Genesis 3;23,24
“Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.”
Then many years later, Adam died a physical death due to his disobedience to God’s command not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Therefore, Jesus died Spiritually for a brief time while on the cross. (my God, my God why have you forsaken me.) Then Jesus died physically when in
Luke 23;46 “And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.”
Adam died Spiritually & physically due to the wages of sin.
Jesus’ died Spiritually and physically on the cross at Calvary to redeem fallen humanity for all that will believe on Christ with faith and repentance!
No disrespect intended but why would Jesus quote Psalm 22 and ask why God had abandoned Him if He hadn't abandoned Him? I thought Jesus tasted death, separation from God, on our behalf so that we would never have to taste it? If death - separation from God, abandonment - is the wages of sin, then surely God the Father had to abandon His Son in order for His Son to take the whole of God's wrath on our behalf? But because He had no sin of His own, death couldn't hold Him and He rose again. Even though Jesus quotes Psalm 22 on the cross, it doesn't necessarily mean He wasn't abandoned, does it? I currently still believe that the Father abandoned Jesus on the cross otherwise how could He have died? Perhaps there's something I can't see. I'll keep praying about it. When Jesus cried out 'Why have You forsaken Me?' would not the hearers be forced to answer 'He forsook You to take the punishment on my behalf'?
None taken. We're simply trying to demonstrate the Hebraic context of Jesus's life and ministry. We believe the evidence supports a much more thoughtful and nuanced understanding of Jesus's words. When you read the book of Psalms, the kinds of prayers and poems found within fall into two general categories of lament and praise. Laments dominate the early part of the Psalms, and psalms of praise dominate the latter part of the book of Psalms. However, even within a lament psalm, you find a movement from despair to hope. Usually, a lament begins with a questions-some kind of heartache-"How long Oh Lord?" Yet, laments often resolve in an affirmation of trust. Despite the circumstances, God can be trusted.
That Jesus would quote this Psalm in Matthew, Mark, and John seems to be evidence of His confidence in God, despite His circumstances.
I have he same thought, too.
I have heard both interpretations: that God's Spirit had abandoned His humanity and also that Jesus was quoting Psalm 22.
You are right to say that Jesus was God. A Spirit can't die, so he took on a human body so He could pay our debt in full! Jesus said in John 5:39, "Search the Scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." I appreciate your desire to search the Scriptures. May God give you further revelation of Who He is as you study His Word. One God. No trinity.
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I've enjoyed these out of context Bible studies immensely. However, I think you got this one wrong. I do not think that a man who is dying a painful death on a cross is going to be remembering to quote scripture verses to prove who he was. It is more likely that the events that occurred on the cross for predicted or prophesied in the Psalms of David. I still believe that God had to turn his back on Jesus while he was on the cross since he had put the sins of the world upon his son and God cannot be in the presence of sin. Jesus felt the father turn his back on his son when he placed the sins of the world upon his son.
CAN YOU PREPARE A TEACHING ABOUT THE FOLLOWING WORDS JESUS SAID WHILE ON THE CROSS: “WOMAN BEHOLD YOUR SON”…John 19:26-27
I think you'd appreciate the work/writing of Gary Burge on John's Gospel as it relates to this!
@@WalkingTheText Thank you, I’m looking up his books and videos on TH-cam also