Not just accused, but then getting very defensive (that part might be understandable) and then going on a 3-day Instagram tangent with photos of them together (not as understandable)
I love the image of Black Thought, one of the greatest MCs of all time and a classically trained musician, having to walk through a bunch of juggalos to get off stage.
GG Allin would probably make Fred cry. Now, how that happens is the interesting story to write... I mean, it's probably not the smell, given that he was at Woodstock 99. It's probably not the threat of an ass whipping... GG likely took more than he administered. Nah, it's more like Durst encounters someone who is more unrelenting. Someone who can't be backed off by escalation because they will eat your feces just to demonstrate how unflappable they are. But, at the end of that fictitious brokake fest, everyone is still as dumb. Dumber in fact.
i saw gorgoroth live, they literally had a bakers dozen of rotten goat heads on spikes and naked people on crucifixes. i went out for a smoke and talked to a cop about being on concert duty and he was telling me metal shows are the easiest gigs; never a problem. this documentary is total moral panic, like always.
really supports the idea of art as catharsis- dark or transgressive art actually giving you an opportunity to become a more balanced person by expiating your worse urges
I'm convinced this documentary is some sort of op. "We made a lot of money promoting and producing aggressive music with anti-establishment lyrics, but now the public has gotten too anti-establishment. Let's retroactively reframe them as bad, and teenybopper pop acts as progressive and woke."
They are trying to run away from the fact that they built a Dan Halen-style scam: no grass, no shade, expensive food and water during a screamingly hot four day weekend, endless fences and hot concrete on a decommissioned Air Force base. The bands that played were the least of it.
reframing empty pop music as actually very progressive and Ahead of Its Time is something music critics are wont to do, especially 20 years later: the classic example is the position held by a lot of critics (none of them contemporary with the genre, of course!) that it was racism and homophobia alone that drove a blacklash to disco and not overbearing market saturation, a flood of poor-quality knockoffs and novelty acts/singles and overall fatigue. I enjoy a lot of pop music and a fair amount of disco/R&B from that era but the idea that it wasn't (wealthy, white) record execs transforming a musical style into a fad to be milked and run into the ground that made people mad at disco is absurd.
So I was sitting in my friends RV in Oswego New York at the phish weekend festival and he was like “wanna see the most acid you’ve ever seen?” I was like “sure” and he takes out this envelope with 10 folded packets. He opened one and I saw the brownest crystal ever made. “That’s pretty brown bro, put it away” I told my friend. He obliged and said “yea, it was 10¢ a hit, there’s a 100,000 here” I opened the door of the RV for air just in case. “You wanna help sell it? You will make a bunch of money?” my friend said. “FUCK NO bro even though it’s just phish, we would get killed for selling that crap”, I exclaimed “Na, man. Not here” he said. “We are gonna sell it next weekend at Woodstock, you in?” “Na man”, I said. And I walked away from the RV. Never saw him again
@@elaikehler6030 I was having this whole “follow the path set out before you and you will find a never ending river of the finest LSD at wholesale prices” thing and I did. That pickard “fluff” was something special man, he was our owsley
I was 14 in ‘99, and into a lot of the same bands: RATM, KoRn, Limp Biz etc. (my first moshpits were at the Family Values Tour just a few months prior to Woodstock) (but not ICP; I liked some awful bands, but ICP was just unacceptable). When they were talking about the aimless anger of young men in this episode, it suddenly reminded me of something: growing up through the 90s, I did the same Nirvana -> Nü-Metal transition as Brian, (1) because I felt like these artists were articulating something I felt personally, and (2) because *that’s what was available.* My only exposure / access points to music were MTV & the one local modern rock station (and this was prior to Napster - so you only obtained music when you brought $15 to FYE and picked out a cd of something you heard on the radio, etc). I remember at one point _literally_ thinking to myself “yeah I like Korn, they’re cool, and they’re def better than Backstreet Boys… but I wish there were better bands to listen to. I hope some better bands come out soon…” Later I left the suburbs and went off to college, and only then did I encounter ‘underground’ music. I started going to basement hardcore shows, and discovering a deluge of artists. It spoke to me to much more profoundly and I suddenly felt like “oh, yeah - this is it! THIS is what I’d wished Korn actually was that whole time!” Sorry for the rambling anecdote; what I’m trying to articulate is, there’s something to be said about how - at a time when the rapid vertical integration of media companies was ubiquitous - for a brief time the music industry attained its perfect state: a massive, frictionless machine that PRESCRIBED everyone’s taste, what everyone was ‘into’, and how people expressed themselves culturally. ‘These are the bands you like. The cd is $15 at FYE. The t-shirt is $20 at Hot Topic. Thank you for consuming.’ …Then file-sharing became a thing, and it tore that whole machine down.
1. If college underground spoke to you, never reproduce 2. It was WORSE when it was in that state, that's how we got that spate of crappy indie rock bands in the 00s. No metal was the apex, but since everyone wants to be "smart" now...blech
@IntrepidTit i think that guy was just trolling… it seems like he responded to almost every comment on this video, and taken in aggregate all of his comments paint a picture of a profoundly dumb dumbguy. i’m not sure if there’s any consolation in the possibility that he’s just trolling either, though; in the context of an ironic performance, it’s not interesting, provocative, or funny… in any event, it’s all too boring to even be sad. gotta love dumbguys tho, amirite?
@IntrepidTit I'll take nu metal over indie music any day. No music makes me feel more like a bloodless, joyless corpse than the acoustic warblings of 80 lb white hipsters who look like their backup career paths are, depending on their gender, either "craft brewery owner" or "Buzzfeed writer"
It's a good review and one of chapo's more fun episodes, but contains unforgivable thought crimes against math metal and all participants will be put to death
I'm only a little over halfway through this and it's already the best take on these Woodstock documentaries I've ever seen. I was a local music writer from 93 to 99, and going to outdoor shows was a huge part of my social and business life in those years. During that time, I learned to stay out of an insane mosh pit not from nu metal bands, but from an over stimulated pack of Steve Miller fans who were, on average, about 7-10 years older than I was at the time. With the exception of pointing out that the original Woodstock had similar issues, HBO's take on this was absolutely full of shit. There have ALWAYS been a certain percentage of total assholes in a huge crowd, of any type. That's why you hire off duty cops with actual authority and trained professionals as security. The promoters were cheapskates, and greedy fucks, and tried to not only make a profit, but also make up the money lost to gatecrashers in '94.
The footage is great, but the message in this documentary is “white man bad” They couldn’t leave their propaganda out of it. Their opinion is as useful as the overflowing porta potties.
The most hilarious thing about blaming Fred Durst is nowadays Fred Durst must be the most level headed and normal person of the nu metal and post grunge era and he clearly doesn't want to do anything with the guys who went alternative country. Fred Durst just embraced the Dad Vibes meme and everyone is loving and having a great time with it. Limp Bizkit makes an album every decade and it's an event, they do what they always did, everyone has accepted it's kayfabe and they enjoy a great time. It's the grifters like Kid Rock, Sully or Chris Taylor Brown who have gone MAGA and sucking off Trump because there is money to make there. It's painful how oblivious the documentary makers are.
Would be curious to hear their thoughts on the Netflix doc, it had its problems too but put a lot more focus on the role of capitalism, corporate greed and price-gouging.
This was a pretty good episode. I don’t listen to them all that much, but definitely enjoyed this one to come back and listen to it again. They were spot on with the shitty doc. With the DMX set, they initially censored the word at Woodstock ‘99 first couple times in the song (not sure why as they had it in the other songs in the set) until X threw the mic towards the audience and had _them_ say it. Then afterwards, they never censored it and let the audience sing along loudly, him throwing the mic their way when he wanted them to say the words. He put on a great performance, and it’s no surprise all these new documentaries coming out are applying modern societal views to an event that happened 20 years ago. It’s like being in the 90s and being upset over something that happened in the 60s for not being the same as it was in the 90s. That’s all the new documentaries do anymore with this type of stuff, though. They’re always looking for something to be very upset over and condemn.
Sounds like an elaborate PR campaign for music journalists and VJ's. All trying to pantomime wokeness to add to their professional capital, so of course they need to make it seem like it was Chernobyl: if they were that much more responsible for what happened, it would imply that that they were that important and we should reward them with relevancy.
17:30 I'm all roughly their age and, yeah, I knew almost as many female nu-metal fans as I did male fans. It was like an offshoot of what later became "scenegirls". It wasn't quite goth but girls that hated their parents and liked metal. They were everywhere because they were 13-25yo and that's what was surface "antiestablishment" at the time. Tons of numetal chicks.
right?? some of the people I knew who were the MOST into it were women. the only true-blue juggalo, as in wore clothes, went to the gathering, dressed up, etc. i knew in high school was a woman. nu-metal was fading by the time i got into high school but by my senior year there was plenty of pop-punk, hardcore and emo to fill the next generation's need for emotional, dark music. which EVERY GENERATION HAS. like, jesus.
Lol so PR for dealing with this disaster... Step one: Deny everything you did wrong logistically. Deny deny deny. Step two: Blame Fred Durst for E V E R Y T H I N G
I was so confused about Moby being in this documentary and time spent on DMX that I thought I had blocked out swaths of it until I realized I saw the Netflix one!
@@CzolgoszWorkinMan yeah I mean twin films have always been a thing but the extent these streaming services are charging each other on documentaries is ridiculous. Made worse by the people they choose to produce them out of convenience of getting them out ASAP like when FuckJerry produced one of the Fyre Island docs despite being the assholes that helped promote that disaster in the first place and tried washing their hands of any responsibility
Honestly, I don't know shit about this documentary or Woodstock '99, but I vaguely remember Limp Bizkit fans being some of the most soulless people on the planet. Not quite as bad as people who work for the State Department, but close.
Considering Limp Bizkit was one of the most popular bands on earth for a good two years, sounds like either a ton of ppl had no soul, or maybe you’re kind of just being a hater.
Re: boy band - nu metal beef. I like to imagine a scenario in which one or several boy band guys trained muay thai or bjj or something and fought fred durst and whooped his ass with technique in classic "i just see red" vs trained technician tradition. Sort of a fun thought with age
I was in high school when Limp Bizkit and Korn were popular and honestly, most of us listened to them because we were angsty about not getting laid and because we were smoking too much weed. It had nothing to do with politics lol Grew out of numetal a couple years later when I finally got a girlfriend.
I will say for limp bizkit, basically everything but Fred durst is good. The actual backing tracks behind him were pretty good. It's not the best metal from the time, but I'd say it's a little above average. But slapping Fred's voice over it all just kind of makes it all a little worse. It almost emulates the feeling of having a very annoying guy next to you in the mosh pit.
yeah but where would modern conservatism be without people being angsty about not getting laid. its maybe not its fuel, but its certainly uh transmission fluid or something
I'm having a hard time placing the larger trees cuz I don't know what they are and I don't know really how they're going to grow in the heat that's a lot of sunshine and they're going to shade out everything but I need I'm having a hard time placing of the trees
As a Nu metal head I enjoyed this documentary only because I wanted to see the perspective of peoples experience during this time but the amount of criticism against Nu metal was the most aggravating thing
I've seen more than one Gen-Xer have the take that Woodstock '99 was the inflection point where everything changed. There was a series of articles written for the Onion's AV Club I think in 2010 or 2011 titled "Whatever Happened to Alternative Nation?" that was written by a guy who was a teenager in the late 80s/early 90s, and then a young journalist later in the decade when rock see sawed from grunge to nu-metal. It's a good read with some decent anecdotes, but the guy's central thesis is what this documentary seems to be implying: that the first half of the 90s was progressive, feminist, anti-racist, pro-LGBTQ, etc. That is until Jon Davis came along scat-singing to downtuned guitars, apparently. I couldn't quite parse the reason why he thought this. It seemed like Eddie Vedder and Kurt Cobain being fairly public feminists was supposed to play into it, but this was the pre-internet era and unless you were constantly seeking out interviews, books, and other media about them you probably wouldn't have known many details. Even then, the members of Korn were themselves a bunch of gangly freaks and weirdos who were outcasts in a conservative town like Bakersfield playing aggressively non-mainstream music. When their debut album came out, stuff like Toad The Wet Sprocket was what was on the radio. There's a song on the debut album about the homophobic bullying and abuse their lead singer was subjected to in public school. They were edgy and had some non-PC moments but it wasn't like they were Pantera or FEAR or something. edit: GenX, not GenZ lmao. Go check out Neo Punk FM's mini-doc about the Sick New World festival. The current wave of zoomer Nu Metal fans are awesome.
He thought this because like a lot of music journalists back then, he was only viewing it from the “rock” side, as someone who was nu metal head, who also was from hood, a lot of people don’t realize how much nu metal, touched, and was influenced by, and respected by rap world too, and they totally overlook that side, which is important when you look at it historically IMO
Agree with the points about the clunky attempts to draw a throughline between Woodstock 99 and Trump, and the doc certainly generalises too much about the music scene. But I thought it gave Fred Durst time to make his points about how the media misreported the timeline of events to paint his band as the instigators of a riot. The main target of the doc appeared to be the event organisers, rather than Nu Metal as a whole. Didn't think it was a terrible doc, just a mediocre one.
While i'm not as cynical as Chapo is on art, I do think it has the potential to change hearts and minds at least on an individual level, the idea that these filmmakers think the bands of WS99 turned everyone more misogynistic is ridiculous.
they’re talking about art’s ability to change collective consciousness, not individuals. it’s pretty clear they get how much music affects individual people.
I come back to the review now and im fully convinced that the main point of this documentary is a part of a greater PMC ploy to sell the idea that male aggression, even in its most passive forms, is bad and must be shamed for anything problematic that occurs around it, even if its not the core reason. This, Arthur Chus' doc, this overly lib-brained campaign against "toxic masculinity", its all a ham fisted effort to establish new social norms amongst liberal cultural hegemony, but even thats failing as the Bill Maher epic libs hate it too as it just leads to guys like Moby being the cultural arbiters.
Havent seen this documentary but if what they're saying is true its amusing how they try to vilify Nu Metal as being extreme. I listened to a lot of Metal music when I was a kid including Nu Metal. So I know a lot of the "hardcore" headbangers made fun of Nu Metal and its listeners a lot.
I did watch it and it was a little while ago so take what I say with some salt. I didn't get the impression that nu metal was super extreme... It did say it was pretty racist while co-opting cultures they were antagonist against
They likely had the strongest not diluted acid back in 69 that would make Felix lat down with his blanket & fidget spinner!!! Lmao, also they were getting some of the best Afghanistan black hash even then ,lol Get. Grip man
How could the acid be any different? It's a chemical compound made in a lab. We have testing kits now that can tell you exactly what's in your drugs and you can buy it all on the dark web from your computer. It's not like weed where there's been 50 years of crossbreeding and research into it. The chemicals in LSD should be largely unchanged.
Moby is a Despicable Hack! I've been saying this since 1997 or so when he came to Bucharest and all the posers in my 10th grade class went to see him, via overpirced tickets. I was big into GNR, Nirvana and Prodigy, while the other crowd was into moby and Depeche Mode. Thank god we have things like "Your Favorite Band Sucks" Pod, today. There's my shameless promo push :) Related or not. Good review btw! Hmm, a Chapo, Cumtown & YFBS featuring Extravaganza, smth like a Musical Marathon Seris does not sound bad to me, either....actually... Not at all!
@@chrisperez3614 i mean...not to get into own definitions here, he sure feels hacky compared to the arists i indeed like.. :)within the genre, and all... But I am tacky myself here, like any involved music fan, that, too ...
i so agree. so many people were saying how good this documentary is. the woman who kept ragging on boomers.. they won't give up power. another totally stupid take
Glad that you’re rightfully bashing this clunky, jackass doc. I couldn’t help but laugh out loud at the salient “points” they were trying to make. It was the journalistic equivalent of fitting a square peg into a round hole. The Netflix one was 100 times better than this one. It focused on the timeline instead of trying jam 2021 politics into 1999 society.
Do you not remember baw wit da baw da bang diggy digy? I mean irl he's neither, he's a rich kid from the Midwest. But he was trying to be metal in the 90s. That's why he has rock in his name.
My dad was like this. Sort of still is. He's not politically minded in any way, just has a thing for anything transgressive. If it made his dad mad, he was into it. The edgy high school kid who sketched swastikas on his notebooks because it made the history teacher blow a gasket. Ask him what Nazis were about, he's got basically no idea to this day. Really pissed off and agitated young people sometimes call him one, but their consternation is nothing but amusing and his personal political ideology is just as nonexistent as ever.
The Metallica + Napster angle was completely ahistorical because Metallica didn't even know what Napster was until a year after Woodstock 99 when I Disappear leaked on Napster. Completely grasping for straws. But hey, if it's an excuse for Dave Mustaine to shit on Lars Ulrich, I'll take it.
The documentary's central thesis to me was that Woodstock 99 was just the perfect storm of bad ideas, wrong place at the wrong time. Between the boomer promoters who had their heads up their asses, holding the festival on a scorching military base, non-existent infrastructure, the state of the cultural psyche of America in the late 90's, and yes how the artists pushed a mob of people who were already on edge to their breaking points. But apparently the Chapo guys' only takeaway was that they just blamed Fred Durst and them hand waving everything that happened
The documentary like much of pop culture and establishment politics point made was this: yIpIpO bAd...that's it, if you take all the shit they showed..conditions of the venue and all are no excuse for WHITE MALE RAGE!
😂😂😂 it’s so true, the whole blame limp n nu metal narrative is such a joke, like limp, korn, rage, all those bands, just did what they do at every show, and the music didn’t cause people to be that way, the world and the times did, and the music birthed out of it, it’s all just so ass backwards how these idiots look at it, I’ll tell you what tho, the way the worlds going now with all this woke crap being shoved down our throats, I feel like some good hard music may be resurging in upcoming gen🤞🏼
@@MrGageHarrison Nu metal was the aggression of the late 80s and early 90s winding it self out in a empty sputtering manner. Commodified upon commodified upon commodified, packaged and manufactured. Korn were stupid and blunt which made them an easy model for things far faker than korn, and things far more streamlined and predicable than grunge, to be based on.
I mean it did make hard rock very popular which transcends just nu metal to hip hop. That's where you have to give them there due as an influence. Now rather you think their good or not is totally on you my guy.
Oooof. Not a good episode. Juggalo/Nu Metal man had some really bad takes “Minor Threat wasnt political”. “Hardcore punk bands used swastikas”….. Shoulda had someone more musically tuned in than that dope
@@JulianPerez-zv6os So with my fedora doffed and my katana sheathed, and with all due respect: man the guest's Marvin Monroe voice gets really grating really fast
The continuing blind spot of the chapos wherein they are unable to recognize culture as not merely downstream from politics but a direct influence on politics is the one major weakness in their political program. This is not a necessary ideological holding for a left-wing project. In fact, the reluctance to accept that cultural hegemony has real political implications for political behaviors may be neglecting the most important tool in advancing such a left-wing project.
@@princejellyfish3945 Yes, inextricable in the sense that culture is always a political response. But they do not believe culture influences politics in any way that would be useful to a left-wing project. Because culture is always either the same as it has always been or only aligns with an establishment political project. This is something that is stated again and again in their analyses. I think the chapos are brilliant, but I think this analysis is not quite right. I think culture influences politics from the other direction, not because a politically established normativity does not direct what is correct to say, but because the artists who hold influence over the listeners can affect political patterns over time. This essentially demands that no left-wing artistic process can have any impact, and so dismisses any left-wing attempt to use culture to have a political impact. I think that is a mistake. That’s all I mean.
@@michaellandreth3870 I've heard Matt say that pretty explicitly, but I've never gotten that direct a line in the sand from the other guys' analyses. Maybe i'm misunderstanding them somewhere myself. All in all, i do agree with you that culture has the potential to influence politics directly, I mean the left wing poetry and literature from the 50's to the 80's are a prime example of it.
@@princejellyfish3945 You might be right, Matt states this idea most explicitly. But neither Will nor Felix (and certainly not Amber, who also states this idea pretty explicitly) have ever pushed back on him when he expresses it. Perhaps Virgil would have been most likely to object, RIP.
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Yakkity yak was the 50's Killing in the Name
The guy who murdered those people in the parking lot during franky lymon and the teenagers set.
Its like Manson family shit.
damn what a post
100%
@Atropus Arbaalish And only 1 year later! (1992)
"Explain to me what you think a metaphor is, you write for a living," You know it's bad when Felix gets that upset.
When Felix is going beast mode and Matt is calm and laughing you know shit got real.
@@DesolatedChild018 They've both calmed down quite a bit.
Moby is totally saving face here after being accused of being creepy around Natalie Portman
Not just accused, but then getting very defensive (that part might be understandable) and then going on a 3-day Instagram tangent with photos of them together (not as understandable)
In that case, Natalie Portman was creepy around Moby. And I don't even like Moby.
This is one of the greatest Chapo segments ever. Rare to get everyone firing on all cylinders with passionate hatred of something.
I love the image of Black Thought, one of the greatest MCs of all time and a classically trained musician, having to walk through a bunch of juggalos to get off stage.
They talk about Fred durst like he’s fucking GG Allin lmao
I wish gg was there
GG Allin would probably make Fred cry. Now, how that happens is the interesting story to write... I mean, it's probably not the smell, given that he was at Woodstock 99. It's probably not the threat of an ass whipping... GG likely took more than he administered. Nah, it's more like Durst encounters someone who is more unrelenting. Someone who can't be backed off by escalation because they will eat your feces just to demonstrate how unflappable they are. But, at the end of that fictitious brokake fest, everyone is still as dumb. Dumber in fact.
Weird Al is a talented musician, artist and humorist. He is a national treasure, and should be in the R&R HOF.
He was so good Michael Jackson parodied his song Eat It and shamelessly claimed Beat It came first
Weird Al has stayed more relevant than half the artists he parodied, what a pro, what a consummate talent
I love the idea that Yakkity Yak was causing kids to fight the power of undue chores
It's worth remembering that, ove ra century ago, the Parisians rioted over Stravinsky's "Rite of Spring."
Because it fuckin rips!!
Even more insane is that Rite of Spring is like 27 minutes long; the riot happened SEVEN MINUTES into a notably short symphony!
Rite of Spring killed the dinosaurs. It is written.
i saw gorgoroth live, they literally had a bakers dozen of rotten goat heads on spikes and naked people on crucifixes. i went out for a smoke and talked to a cop about being on concert duty and he was telling me metal shows are the easiest gigs; never a problem.
this documentary is total moral panic, like always.
I find that the more brutal the band is the more well behaved the crowd
Oh, dude. You saw Gaahl with Gorgoroth live? That's awesome. Where?
gorgoroth is the uplifting positive metal Moby was talking about
really supports the idea of art as catharsis- dark or transgressive art actually giving you an opportunity to become a more balanced person by expiating your worse urges
Gorgoroth fucking rules
I'm convinced this documentary is some sort of op. "We made a lot of money promoting and producing aggressive music with anti-establishment lyrics, but now the public has gotten too anti-establishment. Let's retroactively reframe them as bad, and teenybopper pop acts as progressive and woke."
They are trying to run away from the fact that they built a Dan Halen-style scam: no grass, no shade, expensive food and water during a screamingly hot four day weekend, endless fences and hot concrete on a decommissioned Air Force base. The bands that played were the least of it.
@@MrJohndoakes lmao Dan Halen rules
reframing empty pop music as actually very progressive and Ahead of Its Time is something music critics are wont to do, especially 20 years later: the classic example is the position held by a lot of critics (none of them contemporary with the genre, of course!) that it was racism and homophobia alone that drove a blacklash to disco and not overbearing market saturation, a flood of poor-quality knockoffs and novelty acts/singles and overall fatigue. I enjoy a lot of pop music and a fair amount of disco/R&B from that era but the idea that it wasn't (wealthy, white) record execs transforming a musical style into a fad to be milked and run into the ground that made people mad at disco is absurd.
So I was sitting in my friends RV in Oswego New York at the phish weekend festival and he was like “wanna see the most acid you’ve ever seen?”
I was like “sure” and he takes out this envelope with 10 folded packets. He opened one and I saw the brownest crystal ever made. “That’s pretty brown bro, put it away” I told my friend. He obliged and said “yea, it was 10¢ a hit, there’s a 100,000 here”
I opened the door of the RV for air just in case. “You wanna help sell it? You will make a bunch of money?” my friend said.
“FUCK NO bro even though it’s just phish, we would get killed for selling that crap”, I exclaimed
“Na, man. Not here” he said. “We are gonna sell it next weekend at Woodstock, you in?”
“Na man”, I said. And I walked away from the RV.
Never saw him again
Lame
Gay you should’ve sold the acid
@@elaikehler6030 I was having this whole “follow the path set out before you and you will find a never ending river of the finest LSD at wholesale prices” thing and I did. That pickard “fluff” was something special man, he was our owsley
@@jackstraw262 i’m jealous fr tho 10¢ a hit sounds so cool
@@elaikehler6030 only when it's not absolute unpredictable garbage... which was essentially the point of this story.
I was 14 in ‘99, and into a lot of the same bands: RATM, KoRn, Limp Biz etc. (my first moshpits were at the Family Values Tour just a few months prior to Woodstock) (but not ICP; I liked some awful bands, but ICP was just unacceptable).
When they were talking about the aimless anger of young men in this episode, it suddenly reminded me of something: growing up through the 90s, I did the same Nirvana -> Nü-Metal transition as Brian, (1) because I felt like these artists were articulating something I felt personally, and (2) because *that’s what was available.*
My only exposure / access points to music were MTV & the one local modern rock station (and this was prior to Napster - so you only obtained music when you brought $15 to FYE and picked out a cd of something you heard on the radio, etc). I remember at one point _literally_ thinking to myself “yeah I like Korn, they’re cool, and they’re def better than Backstreet Boys… but I wish there were better bands to listen to. I hope some better bands come out soon…”
Later I left the suburbs and went off to college, and only then did I encounter ‘underground’ music. I started going to basement hardcore shows, and discovering a deluge of artists. It spoke to me to much more profoundly and I suddenly felt like “oh, yeah - this is it! THIS is what I’d wished Korn actually was that whole time!”
Sorry for the rambling anecdote; what I’m trying to articulate is, there’s something to be said about how - at a time when the rapid vertical integration of media companies was ubiquitous - for a brief time the music industry attained its perfect state: a massive, frictionless machine that PRESCRIBED everyone’s taste, what everyone was ‘into’, and how people expressed themselves culturally. ‘These are the bands you like. The cd is $15 at FYE. The t-shirt is $20 at Hot Topic. Thank you for consuming.’
…Then file-sharing became a thing, and it tore that whole machine down.
MAGNETS... HOW THE FUCK DO THEY WORK????
1. If college underground spoke to you, never reproduce
2. It was WORSE when it was in that state, that's how we got that spate of crappy indie rock bands in the 00s. No metal was the apex, but since everyone wants to be "smart" now...blech
@IntrepidTit i think that guy was just trolling… it seems like he responded to almost every comment on this video, and taken in aggregate all of his comments paint a picture of a profoundly dumb dumbguy. i’m not sure if there’s any consolation in the possibility that he’s just trolling either, though; in the context of an ironic performance, it’s not interesting, provocative, or funny… in any event, it’s all too boring to even be sad.
gotta love dumbguys tho, amirite?
@IntrepidTit I'll take nu metal over indie music any day. No music makes me feel more like a bloodless, joyless corpse than the acoustic warblings of 80 lb white hipsters who look like their backup career paths are, depending on their gender, either "craft brewery owner" or "Buzzfeed writer"
@@kingofsting19 you already *are* a bloodless, joyless corpse; you don't need any genre of music to do that to you
It's a good review and one of chapo's more fun episodes, but contains unforgivable thought crimes against math metal and all participants will be put to death
No more TOOLing around, dry boys..
theres too many kinds of metal. from now on its just metal. no more subgenres.
@@ongobongo8333💀 we must eliminate this sub genre hokey pokey
I'm only a little over halfway through this and it's already the best take on these Woodstock documentaries I've ever seen.
I was a local music writer from 93 to 99, and going to outdoor shows was a huge part of my social and business life in those years. During that time, I learned to stay out of an insane mosh pit not from nu metal bands, but from an over stimulated pack of Steve Miller fans who were, on average, about 7-10 years older than I was at the time.
With the exception of pointing out that the original Woodstock had similar issues, HBO's take on this was absolutely full of shit. There have ALWAYS been a certain percentage of total assholes in a huge crowd, of any type. That's why you hire off duty cops with actual authority and trained professionals as security. The promoters were cheapskates, and greedy fucks, and tried to not only make a profit, but also make up the money lost to gatecrashers in '94.
The footage is great, but the message in this documentary is “white man bad”
They couldn’t leave their propaganda out of it.
Their opinion is as useful as the overflowing porta potties.
The most hilarious thing about blaming Fred Durst is nowadays Fred Durst must be the most level headed and normal person of the nu metal and post grunge era and he clearly doesn't want to do anything with the guys who went alternative country. Fred Durst just embraced the Dad Vibes meme and everyone is loving and having a great time with it. Limp Bizkit makes an album every decade and it's an event, they do what they always did, everyone has accepted it's kayfabe and they enjoy a great time. It's the grifters like Kid Rock, Sully or Chris Taylor Brown who have gone MAGA and sucking off Trump because there is money to make there. It's painful how oblivious the documentary makers are.
Would be curious to hear their thoughts on the Netflix doc, it had its problems too but put a lot more focus on the role of capitalism, corporate greed and price-gouging.
"Minor Threat isn't political." Good one.
If you play the video at 2x speed, Felix sounds like Ben Shapino.
Lmao that gabapentin line
i know right? the shit is pushed on even body and it is used to get people high.
This was a pretty good episode. I don’t listen to them all that much, but definitely enjoyed this one to come back and listen to it again. They were spot on with the shitty doc.
With the DMX set, they initially censored the word at Woodstock ‘99 first couple times in the song (not sure why as they had it in the other songs in the set) until X threw the mic towards the audience and had _them_ say it. Then afterwards, they never censored it and let the audience sing along loudly, him throwing the mic their way when he wanted them to say the words. He put on a great performance, and it’s no surprise all these new documentaries coming out are applying modern societal views to an event that happened 20 years ago.
It’s like being in the 90s and being upset over something that happened in the 60s for not being the same as it was in the 90s. That’s all the new documentaries do anymore with this type of stuff, though. They’re always looking for something to be very upset over and condemn.
Sounds like an elaborate PR campaign for music journalists and VJ's. All trying to pantomime wokeness to add to their professional capital, so of course they need to make it seem like it was Chernobyl: if they were that much more responsible for what happened, it would imply that that they were that important and we should reward them with relevancy.
17:30
I'm all roughly their age and, yeah, I knew almost as many female nu-metal fans as I did male fans. It was like an offshoot of what later became "scenegirls". It wasn't quite goth but girls that hated their parents and liked metal. They were everywhere because they were 13-25yo and that's what was surface "antiestablishment" at the time.
Tons of numetal chicks.
right?? some of the people I knew who were the MOST into it were women. the only true-blue juggalo, as in wore clothes, went to the gathering, dressed up, etc. i knew in high school was a woman. nu-metal was fading by the time i got into high school but by my senior year there was plenty of pop-punk, hardcore and emo to fill the next generation's need for emotional, dark music. which EVERY GENERATION HAS. like, jesus.
Lol so PR for dealing with this disaster...
Step one: Deny everything you did wrong logistically. Deny deny deny.
Step two: Blame Fred Durst for E V E R Y T H I N G
I was so confused about Moby being in this documentary and time spent on DMX that I thought I had blocked out swaths of it until I realized I saw the Netflix one!
love having every streaming service do their own middling doc on each topic
@@CzolgoszWorkinMan yeah I mean twin films have always been a thing but the extent these streaming services are charging each other on documentaries is ridiculous. Made worse by the people they choose to produce them out of convenience of getting them out ASAP like when FuckJerry produced one of the Fyre Island docs despite being the assholes that helped promote that disaster in the first place and tried washing their hands of any responsibility
Honestly, I don't know shit about this documentary or Woodstock '99, but I vaguely remember Limp Bizkit fans being some of the most soulless people on the planet. Not quite as bad as people who work for the State Department, but close.
Don't say that about limp bizkit they do less evil then the state department
like I said, not _quite_ as bad
Concurred I agree with you wholeheartedly yes LOL
I absolutely hated their music. The nookie? Makes me throw up in my mouth
Considering Limp Bizkit was one of the most popular bands on earth for a good two years, sounds like either a ton of ppl had no soul, or maybe you’re kind of just being a hater.
1:25:00 Hitting trash cans with sticks?!! In the same year that “Stomp” was huge on Broadway??
Re-watching this and I absolutely love when anyone above 35 talks about 100 gecs.
There was a riot at the premiere The Rite of Spring xD
Re: boy band - nu metal beef. I like to imagine a scenario in which one or several boy band guys trained muay thai or bjj or something and fought fred durst and whooped his ass with technique in classic "i just see red" vs trained technician tradition. Sort of a fun thought with age
I laughed so hard at the bit from 9:22 - 10:22 that I grew a six pack.
I hear a new Woodstock in happening next year possibly. I’m in Australia, if it happens and have a awesome line up I’ll definitely be there
All my friends listened to numetal and pop music. Numetal was like the pop music of Rock at the time.
I was in high school when Limp Bizkit and Korn were popular and honestly, most of us listened to them because we were angsty about not getting laid and because we were smoking too much weed. It had nothing to do with politics lol
Grew out of numetal a couple years later when I finally got a girlfriend.
A lot of girls into nu-metal were getting laid
I will say for limp bizkit, basically everything but Fred durst is good. The actual backing tracks behind him were pretty good. It's not the best metal from the time, but I'd say it's a little above average. But slapping Fred's voice over it all just kind of makes it all a little worse. It almost emulates the feeling of having a very annoying guy next to you in the mosh pit.
@@plantain.1739 I'm not a huge fan now but their cover of Faith still slaps pretty hard
@@plantain.1739i dunno, their music is pretty cringe.
especially the deejay guy scratching in the background
yeah but where would modern conservatism be without people being angsty about not getting laid. its maybe not its fuel, but its certainly uh transmission fluid or something
Brian Q was god tier on this one.
I'd never heard of him before but he was very funny, what is his podcast called??
@@ayyylien7066 guys (with bryan quinby)
I'm having a hard time placing the larger trees cuz I don't know what they are and I don't know really how they're going to grow in the heat that's a lot of sunshine and they're going to shade out everything but I need I'm having a hard time placing of the trees
The Weird Al doc discussion is very interesting now that we actually got it.
I need that kid rock voice clip as a ringtone 😂😂
"You have a daughter" made me laugh so hard I woke up my neighbor's daughter
Is she hot?
As a Nu metal head I enjoyed this documentary only because I wanted to see the perspective of peoples experience during this time but the amount of criticism against Nu metal was the most aggravating thing
oh then you got to experience a bit of the time then, music critics HATED nu metal like they never hated anything more in their lives.
I've seen more than one Gen-Xer have the take that Woodstock '99 was the inflection point where everything changed. There was a series of articles written for the Onion's AV Club I think in 2010 or 2011 titled "Whatever Happened to Alternative Nation?" that was written by a guy who was a teenager in the late 80s/early 90s, and then a young journalist later in the decade when rock see sawed from grunge to nu-metal. It's a good read with some decent anecdotes, but the guy's central thesis is what this documentary seems to be implying: that the first half of the 90s was progressive, feminist, anti-racist, pro-LGBTQ, etc. That is until Jon Davis came along scat-singing to downtuned guitars, apparently.
I couldn't quite parse the reason why he thought this. It seemed like Eddie Vedder and Kurt Cobain being fairly public feminists was supposed to play into it, but this was the pre-internet era and unless you were constantly seeking out interviews, books, and other media about them you probably wouldn't have known many details. Even then, the members of Korn were themselves a bunch of gangly freaks and weirdos who were outcasts in a conservative town like Bakersfield playing aggressively non-mainstream music. When their debut album came out, stuff like Toad The Wet Sprocket was what was on the radio. There's a song on the debut album about the homophobic bullying and abuse their lead singer was subjected to in public school. They were edgy and had some non-PC moments but it wasn't like they were Pantera or FEAR or something.
edit: GenX, not GenZ lmao. Go check out Neo Punk FM's mini-doc about the Sick New World festival. The current wave of zoomer Nu Metal fans are awesome.
He thought this because like a lot of music journalists back then, he was only viewing it from the “rock” side, as someone who was nu metal head, who also was from hood, a lot of people don’t realize how much nu metal, touched, and was influenced by, and respected by rap world too, and they totally overlook that side, which is important when you look at it historically IMO
Agree with the points about the clunky attempts to draw a throughline between Woodstock 99 and Trump, and the doc certainly generalises too much about the music scene. But I thought it gave Fred Durst time to make his points about how the media misreported the timeline of events to paint his band as the instigators of a riot. The main target of the doc appeared to be the event organisers, rather than Nu Metal as a whole. Didn't think it was a terrible doc, just a mediocre one.
While i'm not as cynical as Chapo is on art, I do think it has the potential to change hearts and minds at least on an individual level, the idea that these filmmakers think the bands of WS99 turned everyone more misogynistic is ridiculous.
they’re talking about art’s ability to change collective consciousness, not individuals.
it’s pretty clear they get how much music affects individual people.
33:38 I had this friend of a friend; his father sounded exactly like this.
I'm a minute in but this sounds like Lords of Chaos: NuMetal edition.
Did he ever give his report of the gathering?
fun episode!
I liked the Chapo takes and about 50% of the other dudes.
Yeah this wasn't that great of a hit on this one
Yeah the guest claiming that Kid Rock having a song with a slur is “a product of their time” is a weird claim for the fucking 90’s.
@@NotNtheFace gen xers have brain rot lol
@@NotNtheFace uhhh yeah that's actually true though
@@TheChinaShill no people were very open about slurs not being okay in the 90’s!
I come back to the review now and im fully convinced that the main point of this documentary is a part of a greater PMC ploy to sell the idea that male aggression, even in its most passive forms, is bad and must be shamed for anything problematic that occurs around it, even if its not the core reason.
This, Arthur Chus' doc, this overly lib-brained campaign against "toxic masculinity", its all a ham fisted effort to establish new social norms amongst liberal cultural hegemony, but even thats failing as the Bill Maher epic libs hate it too as it just leads to guys like Moby being the cultural arbiters.
Absolutely 👏🏻 This^
if any band should of been there SLAYER
Can they get fred on chapo
Havent seen this documentary but if what they're saying is true its amusing how they try to vilify Nu Metal as being extreme. I listened to a lot of Metal music when I was a kid including Nu Metal. So I know a lot of the "hardcore" headbangers made fun of Nu Metal and its listeners a lot.
I did watch it and it was a little while ago so take what I say with some salt. I didn't get the impression that nu metal was super extreme... It did say it was pretty racist while co-opting cultures they were antagonist against
Americans hadn’t been subject to such price gouging without natural disasters or Subway Series championship.
Nu Metal Sucks but let’s be honest so does a lot of music from the 60s. Woodstock is all about nostalgia weather good or bad
British rock in the 60s is fantastic
What sort of person is threatened by Fred durst?
I like Brian. What is his podcast called?
I believe they say at the beginning where he’s frkm
Street fight radio
This is a great listen
Whats so funny 'bout war, hate, and misunderstanding?
Chapo: hold my pipe
Its true I would do literally anything for Jimin
They likely had the strongest not diluted acid back in 69 that would make Felix lat down with his blanket & fidget spinner!!! Lmao, also they were getting some of the best Afghanistan black hash even then ,lol
Get. Grip man
How could the acid be any different? It's a chemical compound made in a lab. We have testing kits now that can tell you exactly what's in your drugs and you can buy it all on the dark web from your computer. It's not like weed where there's been 50 years of crossbreeding and research into it. The chemicals in LSD should be largely unchanged.
@6:34 I fuckin died!!
Tool is kick ass
I feel like shit
Woop woop
Thanks Acid Marxist !
"you can hear it!" [dmx set]--that NYT reporter sounds like ben Shapiro
but Limp Bisket plaid his tunes. what do you want them to play? ChopIn. I mean geez us f*k
Moby is a Despicable Hack! I've been saying this since 1997 or so when he came to Bucharest and all the posers in my 10th grade class went to see him, via overpirced tickets. I was big into GNR, Nirvana and Prodigy, while the other crowd was into moby and Depeche Mode. Thank god we have things like "Your Favorite Band Sucks" Pod, today. There's my shameless promo push :) Related or not. Good review btw! Hmm, a Chapo, Cumtown & YFBS featuring Extravaganza, smth like a Musical Marathon Seris does not sound bad to me, either....actually... Not at all!
He’s insufferable but he’s not a hack.
He’s definitely a huge hypocrite and insufferable. Don’t like that man at all. Do love his song Porcelain though I will say that.
@@chrisperez3614 i mean...not to get into own definitions here, he sure feels hacky compared to the arists i indeed like.. :)within the genre, and all... But I am tacky myself here, like any involved music fan, that, too
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horseshit, edgey posers literally go on about Nirvana and The Prodigy.
i so agree. so many people were saying how good this documentary is. the woman who kept ragging on boomers.. they won't give up power. another totally stupid take
Hmm you don't know how to type and you're defending boomers in a comment section, I wonder 🤔
Woodstock 99 was a harbinger of 9/11, the beginning of the end.
Glad that you’re rightfully bashing this clunky, jackass doc.
I couldn’t help but laugh out loud at the salient “points” they were trying to make. It was the journalistic equivalent of fitting a square peg into a round hole.
The Netflix one was 100 times better than this one. It focused on the timeline instead of trying jam 2021 politics into 1999 society.
Since when is kid rocko heavy metal?
Maybe hillbilly rock, lmao g1
Do you not remember baw wit da baw da bang diggy digy?
I mean irl he's neither, he's a rich kid from the Midwest. But he was trying to be metal in the 90s. That's why he has rock in his name.
I think SS shit was always off limits
My dad was like this. Sort of still is. He's not politically minded in any way, just has a thing for anything transgressive. If it made his dad mad, he was into it. The edgy high school kid who sketched swastikas on his notebooks because it made the history teacher blow a gasket.
Ask him what Nazis were about, he's got basically no idea to this day. Really pissed off and agitated young people sometimes call him one, but their consternation is nothing but amusing and his personal political ideology is just as nonexistent as ever.
The Metallica + Napster angle was completely ahistorical because Metallica didn't even know what Napster was until a year after Woodstock 99 when I Disappear leaked on Napster. Completely grasping for straws. But hey, if it's an excuse for Dave Mustaine to shit on Lars Ulrich, I'll take it.
mid period hatebreed is pretty toxic positivity
Does the one host only get paid if he can manage to say “glib“ 50 times?
The documentary's central thesis to me was that Woodstock 99 was just the perfect storm of bad ideas, wrong place at the wrong time. Between the boomer promoters who had their heads up their asses, holding the festival on a scorching military base, non-existent infrastructure, the state of the cultural psyche of America in the late 90's, and yes how the artists pushed a mob of people who were already on edge to their breaking points. But apparently the Chapo guys' only takeaway was that they just blamed Fred Durst and them hand waving everything that happened
The documentary like much of pop culture and establishment politics point made was this: yIpIpO bAd...that's it, if you take all the shit they showed..conditions of the venue and all are no excuse for WHITE MALE RAGE!
😂😂😂 it’s so true, the whole blame limp n nu metal narrative is such a joke, like limp, korn, rage, all those bands, just did what they do at every show, and the music didn’t cause people to be that way, the world and the times did, and the music birthed out of it, it’s all just so ass backwards how these idiots look at it, I’ll tell you what tho, the way the worlds going now with all this woke crap being shoved down our throats, I feel like some good hard music may be resurging in upcoming gen🤞🏼
How dare you all talk shit about tool 😭
These guys act like Nu Metal is some great musical movement.
Didnt hear that
@@achnix5316 listen better
@@MrGageHarrison Nu metal was the aggression of the late 80s and early 90s winding it self out in a empty sputtering manner. Commodified upon commodified upon commodified, packaged and manufactured. Korn were stupid and blunt which made them an easy model for things far faker than korn, and things far more streamlined and predicable than grunge, to be based on.
I mean it did make hard rock very popular which transcends just nu metal to hip hop. That's where you have to give them there due as an influence. Now rather you think their good or not is totally on you my guy.
False.
Oooof. Not a good episode. Juggalo/Nu Metal man had some really bad takes “Minor Threat wasnt political”. “Hardcore punk bands used swastikas”…..
Shoulda had someone more musically tuned in than that dope
Sounds like you're one of the guys at Spin waiting for the Strokes to take off. He accurately described what music was like there.
@Atropus Arbaalish are they or do they just not write songs for depressed queer youth in the midwest?
man the guest's Marvin Monroe voice gets really grating really fast
That’s just Felix
Put some respect on Murder Brian’s name. He’s related to Jack Reacher
Have some respect, if it wasn't for Brian, there wouldn't be a chapo. (For real)
@@JulianPerez-zv6os So with my fedora doffed and my katana sheathed, and with all due respect: man the guest's Marvin Monroe voice gets really grating really fast
@@janosmarothy5409 I mean, Streetfight is a popular podcast and they essentially created Chapo, so obviously the way you feel, you're totally alone
What a shock the guys who were in the crowd don’t like the documentary.
The continuing blind spot of the chapos wherein they are unable to recognize culture as not merely downstream from politics but a direct influence on politics is the one major weakness in their political program. This is not a necessary ideological holding for a left-wing project. In fact, the reluctance to accept that cultural hegemony has real political implications for political behaviors may be neglecting the most important tool in advancing such a left-wing project.
Wtf Is this a joke? Lol Their entire podcast is a testament to the fact that culture and politics are inextricable.
@@princejellyfish3945 Yes, inextricable in the sense that culture is always a political response. But they do not believe culture influences politics in any way that would be useful to a left-wing project. Because culture is always either the same as it has always been or only aligns with an establishment political project. This is something that is stated again and again in their analyses. I think the chapos are brilliant, but I think this analysis is not quite right. I think culture influences politics from the other direction, not because a politically established normativity does not direct what is correct to say, but because the artists who hold influence over the listeners can affect political patterns over time. This essentially demands that no left-wing artistic process can have any impact, and so dismisses any left-wing attempt to use culture to have a political impact. I think that is a mistake. That’s all I mean.
@@michaellandreth3870 I've heard Matt say that pretty explicitly, but I've never gotten that direct a line in the sand from the other guys' analyses. Maybe i'm misunderstanding them somewhere myself. All in all, i do agree with you that culture has the potential to influence politics directly, I mean the left wing poetry and literature from the 50's to the 80's are a prime example of it.
@@princejellyfish3945 You might be right, Matt states this idea most explicitly. But neither Will nor Felix (and certainly not Amber, who also states this idea pretty explicitly) have ever pushed back on him when he expresses it. Perhaps Virgil would have been most likely to object, RIP.
@@michaellandreth3870 yeah the dsa flunky obsessed with wonk math that proves Bernie is going to win was a regular Bertolt Brecht
nu metal, completely independent of its political implications, just sucks lol. except for RATM (besides Renegades, which sucked ass)
also fuck anyone who calls system of a down nu-metal. they only call it that because of the time they came out
@jemimallah yeah congrats you can read
@jemimallah and rage is quintessential nu metal hate to break it to ya
me and my wife watched icp 30 times…wow