Jericho was wasted on WCW. He showed Bischoff that the low cards were the real talent. Dont get me wrong, Hall, Macho, Hogan, etc *were* once very talented individuals. But WCW was a roster of wash ups with the added in segment of Goldberg and a few other small gimmicks. At the time it seemed amazing but looking back now it was anything but.
Stone Cold was the #1 reason... If he didn't become champion at Wrestlemania 14, WCW would of kept winning all of 1998. Who knows but Austin became fucking huge. It was his feuds with Vince, Undertaker, Mick Foley, The Rock and HHH eventually that made the best entertainment. If it were anybody else in Austin's shoes in early 1998 it wouldnt of carried the same momentum. Just look in the crowd by mid 1998 you could see hundreds of Austin shirts and signs. Hell , Austin was already the most popular guy there when Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels were still around. .
themadrapper101 I remember going to a WWE event in 1996.It was so weak and pathetic.Shawn Micheals and Stone Cold was the main event.The match only lasted around 10 minutes and it was over just like that.Austin hadn't came to be the huge star yet and the attitude era hadn't started so these shows were terrible at the time and people were expecting Shawn Michaels to really put on a show but all we got was a quick super kick and it was over.The look on everyone's faces were priceless.I think back then they only put on best shows for Monday night or pay per views.The rest of the days out the week were garbage
You guys missed the point of this comment. The night Raw destroyed Nitro in ratings for the first time in forever was the night Mankind won the WWF Championship Belt.
I loved it when BROCK LESNAR was on Stone Cold Steve Austin's podcast, and Austin asked Brock, "Why is Heyman doing all the talking for you man?" Brock replied, "I've gotta feed the Jew, man!"
He's a wrestling promoter. They're like modern carnies. Charisma is how they do business. How else do you think he got away with not paying his wrestlers for weeks (or months) at a time? He's gotta be a master bullshitter.
Blader But bigger than that. It's just haunting to witness the expertees he has on business. He's probably the biggest mastermind on the wrestling industry. I truly believe that if he had a bigger word in WWE like Bishoff once had the company would run much smoother then it is currently
@@damienblack1283 Wtf are you talking about? He was never wrong? That is not what kill means, look where wcw is now? Nowhere, that's what kill means, austin killed the fkn garbage ass wcw company
@@lifeafteryou8179 The WWE didn't really win anything. They gained some things. They managed to stay alive after being financially hobbled by this situation. Then they absolutely f'd up the whole invasion angle so badly the "victory" was damn near meaningless. If Vince could have stowed is ego, the original plans for WCW would have worked much better. That snafu is one of the worst in wrestling history. So what the WWE really won was their survival and making more money. That is about . They botched WMX7 by turning Stone Cold into Vince's mitch, and then botched the invasion. They turned a guy the crowed was hot for into a damn clown. Let's be honest...WCW had more to do with their own destruction than the WWE did.
@@Apeing510 no actually they weren't and they weren't when Mick fool won or the following shows. It wasnt until wrestlemania that year. Just look up the timeline
I've said this in two replies already, but I'll give it its own post. Paul Heyman was as right as humanly possible. He knew the guys running the show were either too stupid or too conceited to run the show properly. He knew they were getting in way over their heads. That's all correct. What he didn't know--what he couldn't have known--was that they'd start the nWo, which was the biggest thing wrestling had seen since the initial Hulkamania run. (Actually, it was bigger than that, in every sense except length of time) Just like you couldn't have predicted Ringo Starr would have been in the most famous band in the history of the world. Some things just come out of the blue. Once the shine faded, though, it was over. Everything he said would happen, happened. Guys in the business for the wrong reasons, with the wrong priorities, sunk the ship.
maybe he's predicting wrestling in general...seems that wwe is going the same way slowly but surely too. one thing they can't take away from wcw 97-99 was it was the best wrestling show ever and put wrestling on the map and brought it to mainstream...which it never will be again
Question for you folks: Was is ever really possible for WCW to truly "win" the Monday night wars, given the immense internal political and financial problems of the WCW? In hindsight the picture for WCW looks very grim, especially when all of their backstage problems get brought to light, but there was a time when they were winning the war (and not a little) so the question remains. Thoughts?
Guillermo Moreno RAW was superior to Nitro in every way. The initial shock of Hollywood Hogan and The Outsiders was nice, but they quickly oversaturated the nWo and stuck with Sting's storyline way too long. WWF adopted ECW's signature of small arenas and high-impact wrestling, and it was just better. They had younger, better talent, and much more creative storylines.
@@fromolwyoming going into the 2000s meaning 97, 98, and 99, but even in 2000 to 2003, he was still the biggest. Rock was only on top for a few months and that was only because austin left. And i would say brock and Goldberg, and hogan were bigger than rock was at that time. Then Cena took over in 2004. so o.g post was right.
+Johnny Skinwalker WCW beat them for nearly 2 years during its hot run with the nWo, and all-time lows for Vince because if poor booking and handling of talent. Then superstars started shining on WWF television, and the nWo got out of control (because, exactly as Heyman predicted, all the massive egos involved weren't kept in check, INCLUDING Bischoff's), and WCW faltered. Hogan and the rest of the crew devoured WCW for everything it had left to feed their egos and paychecks until they could do no more, then jumped ship, and left it to sink - just like the Hogan-Bischoff connection did in TNA, just like they'll do to poison every single organization they're brought in to to 'save' from now until the day they're all so old they can't stand in the ring any longer.
+Kotaro Tytan With respect that isn't quite true. It is fair to say that WCW didn't dominate the ratings until the nWo started, but they were beating WWF regularly from September 1995 and, of course, the nWo didn't appear until BATB 1996. I agree with the rest of what you say though.
+Butts McCool Exactly as Heyman predicted? No. Most of what he prophesised didn't happen. WCW made somebody a huge tonne of money. And yeah, maybe Ted Turner took a hit in the end, but you think he gives a fuck? Ted Turner is a billionaire: it's like that classic line from "Citizen Kane" where Charles Foster Kane brags about losing a million dollars last year, and knowing he'll lose a million dollars the next, but he doesn't care, as he can afford to lose a million dollars a year for the next 60 years before he'll have to close his newspaper. The reason why WCW self-destructed was BECAUSE it became hugely successful. WCW idled along for years, losing a little bit of money here and there, and could be doing so to this day, as long as it had the potential to one day become really big--Ted Turner was very patient with the company. WCW was a fairly benign wrestling company in terms of costing Turner, and it could've existed for years as a promotion that drew a respectable albeit largely unimpressive 3,000--5,000 fans per night. However, Bischoff lifted it to the level of company that consistently drew 15,000 fans--Heyman did NOT see that coming. And when the crowds got to 30,000, then 40,000, THAT is when things got out of control. Everybody wanted more money, salaries inflated, and everybody started leaving the ship. much like a football team that exceeds its salary cap and needs to draft talent all over again, at a cheaper price. What Heyman said was totally different. He said that Nitro wouldn't work, period. What in fact happened was Nitro became a firestorm of success, but it was lucrative even beyond Eric Bischoff's wildest dreams, too much too quickly, and he didn't know how to handle the sudden prosperity. Heyman, on the other hand, never took ECW beyond the level of a bingo hall promotion. I mean, here's Heyman, at some wrestling convention, talking crap about WCW and Bischoff. And Heyman could make all the jokes he wanted about Bischoff wanting to get laid with 19 year old girls, but I've seen the average ECW fan, and I'm sorry, but most 19 year old girls would find them repulsive. That's why Heyman's acolytes were laughing at his irrelevant jokes, the same reason Heyman was making them--insecurity. I don't deny that Bischoff was/is a prick, but he did a lot of stuff Heyman wanted to do, but couldn't. Heyman is almost undoubtedly a lot more likeable than Bischoff, but I can't possibly defend Heyman here--he just sounds totally jealous. I remember EVERYBODY said Nitro would never work in 1995, and they were wrong. WCW's later explosion doesn't retrospectively justify such doomsday prognostications from Heyman. It's like saying the Roman Empire was an utter failure, just because it no longer exists, but the fact remains at one stage, for several centuries, the Roman Empire ruled a huge part of the world.
+Johnny Skinwalker Know your facts pal. Russo signed with WCW on October 5, 1999. WWF was beating WCW at the start of April 1998. WCW started losing against WWF 1.5 years before Russo signed with WCW, get wrecked.
Paul is talking about WWF here as if 93-95 werent the worst years in the promotions history. Nobody watched WWF at this time except for the hardest of hardcore fans. Which is why It was not difficult for Turner to take his talent (a tactic Vince used when he destroyed the territories) and do something more appealing than Vince's cartoon story lines. Bischoff made wrestling better by challenging Vince out of the cartoon bullshit, and forcing him to fight for his livelyhood with better programming.Vince needs that kind of competition again, because Raw is back to being almost unwatchable.
+AntiPopLTD Well said, but there will never be another promotion who can challenge WWE ratings wise. It just won't happen again unfortunately. Wish WCW hadn't self destructed so they could still be around today and we'd have them and WWE. But oh well.
Mario Mattessich You are absolutely right, and they didn't draw a dime at that time. Half of the audience walked out of the Wrestlemania 12 main event 60 min Iron man match between Bret and Shawn. Did you know that?? Casual audience just didn't want to see small guys back then. From 93 to around when Austin caught fire they were down to their most loyal base..
WCW dd wind up catching lightning in a bottle but the exact things Paul brought up about bad management and guys looking out for their own self-interests eventually did them in.
Paul was ultimately right! The nWo angle and Goldberg gave them some steam and were on top for a while (In ratings... not always in show quality and maybe never in profit) but they fucked that up. Basically over the reasons Heyman is stating here.
Give me a fucking break. The only thing that killed WCW was the AOL merger. When your whole company is based on buying away the top talent with overpriced contracts, and suddenly your money dries up because a failing internet company is sucking your parent company dry, the end is going to come quickly.
WCW's money dried up because they were hemorrhaging money. In 1999 they had a loss of $15 million. This was BEFORE the merger. The company was on top and turning a profit 1996-1998, but they were back to losing money, and at a much faster rate than ever before by the time of the merger in 2000, and WWF already had double their ratings by that point. To say the only thing that killed WCW was the merger is ridiculous. If the company had been turning a profit the new bosses wouldn't have had a reason to kill it.
Yes...and before the AOL disaster, Ted Turner was willing to lose that money to contribute to try to build the brand. After the merger, with the money lost, he was no longer willing to do so. I don't get why you are trying to refute me on this. It has been THOROUGLY discussed and pretty much AGREED UPON by all parties involved. From everybody at WCW, to Turner himself. That yes...the merger was the death blow to WCW.
knickknack07 If the company was turning a profit like it had been until 1998 instead of hemorrhaging money like never before there would have been no reason to fold the business, so the merger wasn't the only thing that killed it. What caused it to have an all-time record loss in 1999 and falling ratings BEFORE the merger?
It didn't happen until 1999 when Mankind won the WWF championship that WCW started losing. Creative Control contracts, Obsession with Ratings and failure to lift younger stars killed WCW. In the end the nail in the coffin with the AOL merger who wanted nothing to do with wrestling.
No, April 6 1998 is when WWE started winning. After that, Vince Mcmahon came out and declared RAW the highest rated wrestling show. This was after Austin became Champ. Mankind winning in 1999 was more like the final nail in the coffin before WCW got buried. 5 years after summer 95 would be summer 2000, Rock was the champion, RAW and WWE were at their popularity peak, WCW had a meter of dirt on them.
The only reason being is that Ted Turner was not really in to wrestling as a livelihood. WCW was just a small side thing for Ted Turner but if he had wanted to throw money at it and sink Vince and the WWF he could have just by the shear amount of money Ted Turner had that he could throw at a wrestling promotion. Ted Turner was tightening up the financial belt of his business ventures at the time close to year 2000 in order to sell off to TIME WARNER. So if Ted Turner had decided not to sell off his business ventures which WCW was one of them he could have and would have easily beat WWF in to the dirt. Remember that Ted Turner had his own freaking TV networks too. TBS and CNN which he could have leveraged to promote the WCW product. Facts are facts. Ted Turner was loaded with a shit load of cash to spend on the WCW but he really was not interested in doing that because of him moving to sell off all his businesses.
no he wasnt the WCW started dying in 1996 it just took some time for it to become a financial burden, mainly because they where backed by a multi BILLIONAIR!
Heyman is correct only in the sense of polarity: WCW lost, obviously, and did not win. However, they did not "get their asses royally kicked," but instead went on a ratings winning streak for over a year, and stayed competitive for another year and a half after that. I understand people want to say that the nWo was the one lucky idea that lead to WCW's success, but if you watch material from 1996 and 1997 nitro outside of nWo, the show was arguably better than RAW and reached for an audience that WWF did not until the Attitude Era kicked in, because of WCW's success. As for Ric Flair wanting to get laid by 19 year olds at age 46, I wouldn't doubt it.
Heyman was correct about everything save for the people who would be complicit in the fall of WCW. Instead of Bischoff, Hogan, Flair, and Arn, it was largely Bischoff, Nash, Hogan and Vince Russo. WCW Did get their ass kicked after staying on top for 84 weeks[a little over 1 1/2 years], then WWF/E stomped them into the ground.
knickknack07 Ummmm no. AOL did not suck Ted Turner dry. Ted Turner was still a billionaire after the deal. He just was not in control. WCW in the years that Ted Turner owned it, only turned a profit for 2 years. It lost all kinds of money and the losses were subsidized by Turner's other business ventures: The Atlanta Braves, The Atlanta Hawks, CNN, Headline News, Cartoon Network, TBS, and TNT.
Amazing how according to Bischoff's own interviews Heyman's interpretation of what went on behind closed doors to cause Nitro to happen was spot on, that's exactly what happened, Bischoff gave Mondays as the excuse, convinced Turner wouldn't give him Monday Nights and then was stunned when he did just like Heyman interpreted lol he knew these people well lol
Or more likely he was talking to people in the business and hearing stories. You honestly don’t think he wasn’t talking to people at WCW? He was talking to Sullivan no doubt during that time
Where WCW screwed up was the guaranteed contracts. They had to have that to compete with Vince. But the problem long-term is that when guys have say over their characters, you’re log jammed at the top and you can’t develop your mid-Card beyond a certain point. It’s not a successful business strategy to let the Steve Austin’s, Mick Foley’s, Chris Benoit’s, Eddie Guerrero’s, etc walk in order to keep 45-year-old Hulk Hogan and his cronies.
@@cjuare123Incorrect. AOL Time Warner wanted nothing to do with the product after the merger. Regardless of how successful they never wanted wrestling in their portfolio. They always had intentions of selling once Ted was pushed aside. That and a few key players working for Warner basically set it up so Vince would get first dibs at buying it. The entire story is actually quite interesting.
@@nastynastke the ratings were not good. Are you that clueless? If the ratings were high they would not have sold it. I know how the industry worked back then. The ratings is what made executives make decisions on certain shows.
@@cjuare123 No you my friend are clueless. Do your research on a man named Jamie Kellner. Once you do, you should have all the info you need to not be clueless anymore and you'll have the answer as to why WCW is no longer here today. At the time of WCW goin out of business it was still the highest rated show on TNT...So do not tell me I am clueless and that it was about ratings. Good grief
Paul's words really did predict the future.Even with WCW winning for awhile, the reason they managed to do it was because they did get their shit together, for the briefest of windows. And it just so happens, it was also at a very low time creatively for Vince and Co. And the reason WCW lost all the momentum they built up was for the EXACT reasons Heyman claimed.
@@fmbbeachbum8163going r-rated wasn't the magic bullet. WCW was also r-rated but their matches were booked so horribly a lot of people tuned out. Vince streamlining the storyline and putting himself in the line of fire AND being r-rated was the magic formula for WWE
IWatchAnime92 he's a living proof that understanding how the industry works is different from knowing how to actually run it. He obviously understands how it works, his predictions are spot on.. but he obviously can't run it, Vince destroyed ECW
He honestly may have known he'd get bought out. The thing is, didn't he make a LOT of money being bought out? So to him, it wasn't a bad deal. To everyone else, it was.
TheTaterTotP80 He filed for bankruptcy and had to pay Vince back all the money he loaned to ECW. Not exactly the greatest deal for somebody who deep down really wanted the product to continue but a lot of it was Paulie's fault as well for literally gambling a lot of his money away and not having the best relationships with major networks. My thing is if TNA can still be on TV with their shit ratings than ECW definitely should've been kept on TV
Vince didn't destroy ECW, Paul E. did. Heyman around this timeframe was getting paid by WWF. Thats why they did the ECW invasion angle in like 96-97. ECW was already employed by WWF long before they officially bought it.
I really beleive that if Ted Turner let Paul Heyman run WCW instead of Bischoff they would have won the Monday Night War since Heyman has always had long term vision, while Bischoff just like Russo was pretty much just into shock value short term angles and that's why the NWO became so stale once that the Sting-Hogan feud was over
I agree with Alex, he couldn'r run the buisness and the show on his own. he needed an owner. But when he never paid his employees and never mentioned bankruptcy, it was sheerly to protect them and he raised the point that he was not getting paid either, they could afford to leave, at the time he couldn't.
Guillermo Moreno after wcw downfall no company could compete with wwe, it became global entertainment, and will dominate that stuff in my opinion 4ever. yeah there will be mexican and japanese companies, but in usa no chance for another promotion, tna will die in years and probably will be bought too :) they are doing same stuff like wcw did, buying old overused wrestlers and use them years and years. paul was succesfull cause he started something new in pre monday night era, also these times tv dont let extreme stuff, its pg era, even wwe can use few swear words in years... no doubt he is genius, but that why he is in wwe and managing wrestlers and helping stories etc
MindaugasLegend It'd be nice if another Ted Turner would come along and really bankroll another company much like Turner Cable did with WCW back in the day.
MindaugasLegend but yet he was wrong...the ONLY thing he got right is that wcw wouldnt exist. wcw decimated wwf in the monday night wars and vince has said himself that he was THISCLOSE to bankruptcy during the monday night wars...i think i heard somewhere that the turning point in the wars was the night mick foley won the wwf championship and bischoff made the stupid move of announcing it on nitro and everyone turned on raw to watch it happen
yep tim, you got it...vince is a prick and his show sucks...he couldve seriously made wrestling something quadruple what wcw was but instead he let his ego get in the way. paul got it made now tho and hes doing what he really wanted to do, which is be a great manager (if not the greatest of all time dare i say). Ring Of Honor is where its at now baby #DEMBOYZ
@@Miller2h41 I think it was. If someone is THAT much of a Captain Obvious then he is entitled to get shamed. It's like calling a video "Elephant dances to piano music" and you'd write "He is dancing because he is listening to piano music".
@@Bambuzzsprosse I wrote a comment but you obviously feel the need to demean me to make yourself feel good. You are a sad piece of human waste on this earth.
He was kind of right. He correctly guessed that Bischoff said they should do Monday nights (well, actually he just said primetime) and was then shocked to see Turner actually say okay. He also says that he thinks they had COULD take it to the WWF if they did "X,Y and Z" but they won't because they're inept... the fact is they actually did do the "X, Y and Z" that he lists... but then eventually still fall to the problems that he predicted afterwards. So he's wrong a little and right a little. Considering he doesn't have a crystal ball that IS still interesting to hear now years later.
He's only wrong in that he didn't predict the nWo, which he would have had no way of predicting. That one gimmick was responsible for all of WCW's success; they mishandled literally everything else, and eventually mishandled the nWo as well. Paul was as right as you could be in predicting something like that. He knew they would fail, and they did. He just couldn't have predicted that they'd stumble into the greatest big idea of the 90s.
***** That's actually a very good point and one that few people realize. Also, I don't think WCW was ever really on good financial footing and this caught up with them during the AOL/Time Warner merger.
Charlie Acklen not only did it kick ass it put wrestling on the map!!! to this day wwe has to continue to bury it...14 years later. it was the best wrestling show EVER hands down
heyman just wanted to have a promotion solid but never compete with vince he always like the partnership..... he just wanted to do his best this is why vince still hires him constantly the guy has a good mindset
@@808allday7 OMG, I´ve watited 2 years for this moment. And finally I can r/WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH the Sh*t out of some captian obvious on youtube. You´ll be a hell of a General obvious one day, I´m sure !
He didn't say anything wrong in this video. A 50 year old company tried to go head to head with Vince, and only lasted 6 years after starting the Monday night war. WCW got owned, even if they were winning the war initially. Everything paul said would happen, ended up happening.
+The Game Corner BY 50 year old company, I assume you mean JCP and not the NWA. To say that JCP and WCW were the same thing, just because Turner bought its talent and trademarks, is drawing a long bow indeed. Different company, different people, different structure. And no, Heyman said Nitro would be an utter failure. And all this bluster was coming from some John Belushi looking motherfucker whose company never got out of the bingo hall.
+The Game Corner Actually, he did say something wrong. Paul said that Nitro had no chance and it would get destroyed. Nitro was number 1 for 83 weeks in a row at one point. No matter how you spin it, Paul was wrong that Nitro would get crushed. Eventually, it did, but I guarantee you that Paul thought it would have happened a couple of years before 2001.
Paul Heyman: Hilarious and accurate at the same time. Its amazing how accurate this prediction was too, like WCW eventually giving away free tickets to fill up their TV tapings. Genius.
If you wish to disagree with me then fine, thats up to you, don't expect me to get into a typing argument on youtube. I'm allowed my opinion and you're allowed yours.
From what I gather, Heyman based his "prediction" on his experience in WCW when it was run by Jim Herd, a guy that knew more about selling pizzas than tickets. Heyman simply thought WCW would fall in short order due to mismanagement and fragile egos in the locker room (Hogan), as well as a few select wrestlers (also Hogan) getting paid much more than half the roster. He was right in everything except _when_ WCW would fall, which was postponed due to Hogan's heel turn and the formation of the nWo. Nevertheless, his prediction came true: Guys with big egos clashing and constantly changing the booking to put themselves over the rest of the boys, the repetitive nWo-centric angles, Nash's wallet making more money from WCW than vice-versa, etc started the fire that eventually burned it down; Russo simply added more napalm with his fucked up gimmick matches.
Hogan's heel turn literally changed wrestling forever. The guy was making 10 million a year in the 80s. He did'nt have a fragile ego, he was always thinking about his legacy & business. Hogan did'nt hold anyone back period. Goldberg came in & took it, did Hogan not job clean to him? You need to learn how his contract was set up.
VeryFriendly Nihilist bullcrap. he said they would go really good if they give it a try, thats what happened, until mankind won the wwf title and got asses in seats. the attitude era has started and nitro would never beat wwf at ratings again and thnx to their personal problems they sold wcw to wwf. chris jericho quote: "for the money vince bought it even I could have afford it" .. and remember, jericho was in the cruiserweight divison.
VeryFriendly Nihilist They did well in terms of ratings, yes, but WCW in the 12 years they were in business only turned a profit in 2 of them. Bischoff's over-spending really did them in and Russo's booking put the final nail in the coffin.
VeryFriendly Nihilist he had it prety much right. Goldberg is the only "new" guy I saw who got a descent push. WCW was like a retirement house. Hogan is an ego-maniac.
WCW had a chance, but mismanagement destroyed WCW. Vince was actually scared for some time. The Rise and Fall of WCW made me realize the stupid contract stipulations. "oh if you hire another guy (after me) with a higher salary than mine, then i should get a raise" I mean wtf? fucking egocentrics. I thought Bret Hart loved wrestling, but he loved how wrestling brought him money.
Nitro did really well in the ratings, often beating Raw, up until mid 1999. After that it was a fairly steady slide downhill. Even so, the Nitro ratings were still respectable up to the end. Nitro did far better than Heyman ever thought it would, even before the nWo hit the scene.
+Robert Granros I just imagine Paul accidentally bumping into a teenage Brock Lesnar, and thought to himself: "A few years down the road, I have a gut feeling I'm gonna manage that kid."
+Robert Granros If you're talking about the Undertaker's Wrestlemainia streak. The streak wasn't even a thing yet The Undertaker had only wrestled in four Wrestlemainias. 91-92-93 injured in 94 and wrestled in 95.
If Ted didn't make that merger with AOL. wrestling would still be on Turner networks. Ted would have footed the bill forever. And that's what Heyman was essentially saying at the end.
By the time AOL came along, Ted Turner was already removed from power by Time Warner. IF Turner could've retained control of Turner Sports and TBS, we would likely have been given another 5 years of WCW
WCW was dead in the water long before that the minute Rock and Stone and Mick became the focus of wwf you knew WCW lost the war and that was 1 year before WCW lost at this point the minute Vince Russo went to WCW he fucked them up left and right I believe Mcmahon paid Russo to fuck WCW over
1:29 I love how the camera pans out to show Mick Foley sitting there when Heyman while was shouting "Holy Shit we're gonna get our asses kicked!" Because that's the man who actually kicked WCW's Ass once and for all on January 4th 1999.
Sparkledash1 He mentioned it in a shoot interview where he basically said that he was surprised about their success and admitted that he did not see it coming.
Look at the TV WCW produced right before Scott Hall showed up. Look at the team that they sent against the nWo at Bash at the Beach. Monster Truck fights, face painting during the time people wanted cool and badass. So lucky with the nWo but the bad booking crept back up and the nWo wasn't new enough anymore to take the attention away from it.
Steven Simmons Kevin Sullivan was the booker in WCW until 98, Hogan had creative control over his own matches, but that was the extent of Hogan's booking reigns. Hall was never involved in the booking outside of being friends with Nash, and Nash only had the book for about 8 or so months.
Heyman was right about how WCW was running their business, but he couldn't foresee a few things and in a few ways, he was wrong. He couldn't predict the nWo, which was the big game changer. He also couldn't predict ECW's role in WCW's product - that it wouldn't just be guys from Jodie Hamilton's school coming and that many of the talent who ECW highlighted would be wooed away with big money contracts. Rey Mysterio and the luchadors, Benoit, Guerrero, Malenko, Raven, etc. That said, WCW did die the way Heyman believed, once the creative well ran dry in WCW, the egos and everything he was talking about took over. It just wasn't as immediate as he predicted.
The Attitude Era defeated WCW....its still sad to see something that old be killed off and then all of the WCW talent wasted in WWE... Vince McMahon had an opportunity to create the greatest wrestling promotion of all time but threw it away for pride and anger. Not to mention I have seen several WCW and ECW stars say that they were treated poorly backstage by WWE stars. Of course that would happen with all of these new guys coming in taking up time slots for WWE stars but yet McMahon should have expanded then to make more time slots and create another brand of wrestling...he waited too long to bring in the ECW brand and it was too little too late to mend relationships that were destroyed during the Invasion series not to mention that the Invasion could have been amazing but it was mediocre at best only signifying the end of the Attitude Era. PG Era has killed the WWE but it is the only thing to watch other than TNA which is nothing more than reworked WWE storylines (Orlando Screw-job). That is sad to see that old WCW talent can only think to rework WWE controversies to get ratings. Fact of the matter is TNA is no WCW and all (older) wrestling fans miss the good ole days of the Monday Night Wars and unfortunately for us we will never again see that kind of rivalry again in wrestling until some sort of WWE fissure that splits the talent and comes up with fresh ideas that can work and make audiences drop their jaws in amazement. WWE = John Cena is the Champion or will be soon. TNA = Who cares to even watch?
Finally the WWE Survivor Series was focused too much on WWE stars and should have been more like Stone Cold, The Rock, Chris Jericho, The Big Show, and Mic Foley/Triple H V.S. Goldberg, Booker T, Kevin Nash, Lance Storm/Scott Steiner, and Tommy Dreamer/Mike Awesome (for ECW since they were the smallest brand) (/ = or)
I don't think the attitude Era defeated WCW. I think primarily WCW defeated themselves. They could have done a lot of things right but they didn't. A lot of people blame Vince Russo too but he was just doing some different stuff because wcw was in trouble anyway. I think when wrestlers like Hogan have the power they did that is when things go bad. Starcade 97' for example. As a product this just left a bad taste in your mouth bc Hogan wouldent job cleanly to Sting. I remember how disappointed I was with that finish. Then you have things like Hogan vs Nash, Hogan vs Jarret, which were non matches as main events no less. DDP vs Goldberg going off the air during PPV (Bash at the Beach I think) and Goldberg winning the Title not at a PPV but on Nitro. These are all stupid mistakes. In the end WCW didn't stand a chance especially with the network issues. wcw killed itself. Bishoff was a genius in a lot of ways but he let a lot of things go wrong and that's why wwf came out on top. WCW had the top talent at the time and didn't use it. The attidute era was great but the wwf was in a lot of trouble during the Monday night wars. They just let wcw destroy itself.
MDCasino Russo came in when it was dying and it was a tough job but he ended up landing the killing blow with the Bloodline crap and putting the title on himself. It was god awful.
One of the greatest minds in wrestling of our era, shame other aspects of his personality have gotten him in hot water with so many people over the years 😂
Yeah, I thought that at first too, but then I saw the classic missing front teeth and started to question if was Foley. Never realized how similar they looked at that time.
I think it is so interesting how Paul predicted how the Monday Night Wars would end. Obviously WCW didn’t get immediately destroyed like he predicted, but he even said that WCW had the resources where they could have been a major success if they got their shit together, he just didn’t think they would. Of course WCW did monster business for about 2 1/2 years, but they ultimately went out of business for exactly the reasons he predicted, Bischoff could not keep control backstage, disorginaztion was insane and most of the top guys only cared about themselves to the detriment of everyone else.
Thank you for noticing he was wrong they would not compete even though stated they could. He was still incorrect about that. Heyman has always been one of the greatest minds, and unlike Cornette he can transcend the era he was brought up in. The truth is in 1995 the WWF was really losing momentum that started sometime in 1993. It was a slow bleed, but it was happening pre-WCW doing anything. Bischoff just took advantage of their weaknesses such as not being live and doing handshake deals. Even at that people get on these tirades about ratings today and all these promotions combined don't pull the ratings of the mid to late 90s. What are they debating? Who is struggling less?
The fact that Heyman, Cornette, etc, are actually younger than I thought is kind of incredible. I thought they were in their 60s. Cornette isn't even 60 yet and Heyman is even younger!
How was Heyman spot on?! Like a year or so later, WCW went in on WWF/E for 2 years straight with one of the best angles to this day… The reason why Vince won at the end isn't because of anything Vince did… It was eventually backstage foolishness that caused the promotion to implode…
You just answered your own question. Heyman was predicting that the idiocy and ego that existed in WCW & Time Warner would be their undoing. He was most certainly right about that.
Heyman did say was Bischoff said later--he asked for Monday nights as he thought it would show that he wanted to kick WWE's butt, but Bischoff thought it was safe as Turner would never give him Monday night.
Clinton Peacock While Heyman did not call it 100% (eg.: not knowing the ultimate "good guy" Hogan would turn heel and the nWo would be a success until they watered it down with most of the roster being on it in some form of fashion), the backstage issues that he outlined 5 1/2 years before their demise was correct. As for Vince and the then WWF, Vince did have a lot to do with them winning because if he stuck with the cartoon character crap he was putting on TV (granted WCW was doing the same at the beginning of the "wars" with gigs like the Dungeon of Doom), he could have folded before WCW did. After being stripped of all of his big names, he created new stars with "attitude" (pun intended) that the fans got behind and it was a smashing success! Granted, he did have a little luck believe it or not due to a couple of injuries: HBK having the back injury that kept him out of the ring for 4 years led to there being no obstacles in the way of Stone Cold's huge rise to the top in which he carried the company with him and Stone Cold needing neck surgery in 1999 which allowed there to be no obstacles in the way of The Rock rising to the top and being almost equal with Austin as a face and HHH rising as a big time heel (of course not on Austin or Rock's level). If Vince didn't make changes, which contributed heavily to WCW's demise, then both companies would have been in the toilet shortly after the turn of the millennium.
paul heyman should be universally known as "master of the promo". he has inspired many to do some of the best wrestling promos that have ever existed and he consistently does his own solid promo work for more than 25 years!
I don't think no one could have saw the nWo coming. That's where Paul was wrong. But once the nWo faded, basically it took two years and WCW was close to dead and on that third year they wished Paul was right about running shows on TBS because now they are just old school shows on the WWE Network.
Even before nWo, WCW was beating WWF about 1/2 the time. They were neck and neck before nWo. Heyman was completely wrong here because (like most observers) he assumed that WWF and WCW had an overlapping fanbase while in reality the Northern and Southern fans were two distinct fanbases watching one promotion or the other.
@@jjalkman1999 the true NWA/WCW purists were pissed when Bischoff brought Hulkamania to the company... When WCW withdrew from the NWA, they wanted to create an completely new, fresh and different alternative to the WWF and were really pushing the young up and comers like Stunning Steve Austin and Jean Paul Levesque as top talent until Bischoff pulled the rug by having an updated 80s version of the WWF with Hogan, Macho Man, the Earthquake, Hacksaw Duggan, the Giant (a new Andre), Brutus Beefcake, the Renegade (a new Ultimate Warrior), etc
yes WCW was beating the (then)WWF for 2 years - but what Heyman predicted came to fruition - he basically laid out verbatim the backstage politics that would end up sinking the WCW ship... the show ended being run into the ground by Hogan and Nash, and Bischoff did nothing but fan the flames.. the same shit is happening over in TNA as we speak.. Heyman is a brilliant wrestling mind - and it's a shame he isn't in a more creative position in the WWE.
That's why Paul's a genius in this business. He foretold what happened in or around 2000 when WCW finally was bought out by Vince. When you know what's going to happen in this business 5-10yrs before it actually does. Yeah you know EXACTLY how this business works. And that also explains why he's JUSTIFIABLY in the WWE hall of fame now.
Paul Heyman is freaking brilliant, I always loved this guy and everything he has done in and out of the wresting business, he is a guaranteed hall of famers, and one of if not the best manager in wrestling history (easily in the top 3 alongside Heenan and Cornette).
84 weeks of ratings dominance in the Monday Nights wars aint shit when your company is bought out by the company that was on the losing end of that 84 weeks. I loved both companies, however WCW was poorly manage with one angle(NWO) & no pushing of any new stars. Even if WCW were still running today itll be TNA-esque. Running in small venues. Stale storylines with stale crowds.
he correctly predicted half of it. WCW did have a hot streak for a minute but ultimately bad management and selfish egos ate at WCW like a disease and was ultimately their undoing.
This has got to be, one of my favorite pro wrestling videos of all time here on TH-cam. You have to admit, 23 years ago, Paul Heyman had a nugget of truth.
Can't say that I like Paul Heyman as a person but my god! The guy is a genius. Whatever he says and touches, turns to gold! He truly deserves being in the HOF and should of been inducted a long time ago!
Paul Heyman was truly ahead of his time. He definitely knew the business. I just wished he was a good financial business man and maybe ECW would still be going on to this day
The prediction was not accurate. Nitro beat Raw the night of its premiere and ended up beating Raw for 84 consecutive weeks. In the clip Heyman predicts that Nitro would fail and end up being cancelled immediately, forcing WCW to revert into a smaller, regional promotion. That didn't come to pass.
*He also said they have a shot if WCW came together. Which they did* for awhile with NWO but it became stale with no evolution or progress. Thus WCW became the shit product that was predicted it will become as a result of idiots running the company. NWO helped with ratings but WCW fell so fast soon after the last couple of years. Vince shows up on Nitro shows how pathetic WCW was in staying alive. Only some WCW wrestlers abandoned ship within the last couple of years to WWF.🤣 Heyman was right. WCW fans so salty in ignoring Paul saying they have a shot to go against Vince. Paul knew, most people who knew WCW management knew it was that bad.
He was not right. He predicted that Nitro would be an instant failure and that they would be "massacred" by Raw and be forced back to Saturday nights. He was completely wrong.
If a basketball team is up by 30 in the second quarter but the other team comes back in the fourth then they lose. WCW was up by 30 in the second quarter. All the things Paul said did happen and for the very reasons he said.
This was actually incredibly prophetic. Although it took a few years, what he said is exactly why WCW imploded. The top names were aloud to basically book the promotion....and when that talent are guys like Hogan, Flair & Nash, they will never circumvent their own egos long enough to NOT do what's best for themselves. The only place Hey man went wrong? That they would stick around at a lower level because the booking issues and Russo/Bishoff/Hogan politics ran it down so much that eventually Jeff Jarrett held the belt. When JJ is your top guy, your promotion is screwed...a champ needs to draw. To a much lesser extent, this happened in WWF during the "New Generation" era when Brett held the belt...which is why I think NWO got over and WCW ruled for a few years. Brett...he's probably one of the most technically sound wrestlers of all time...but he didnt have that charisma and promo skills that a champ needs. He was OKAY at it but, he didnt sell many tickets. Now the difference here is WWF recognized and fixed the problem by ushering in the "Attitude" era, with guys like Austin and Rock on top. WCW...well, they never saw ANYTHING.
I think AEW is going to do well. I don’t think it will have WCW levels of competition, but it’s got good story telling and more of a “live event” feel. They’ve got some amazing, talented workers that are definitely “putting butts in seats”.
Paul Heyman got it right... because Paul Heyman got it wrong. The video shows Heyman saying if they pooled their resources and put a combined effort into Nitro succeeding, they would compete with WWF/E. Which as we know is true due to Turner's focus on winning at all costs, which proved heyman wrong from 96-98. However because of this, it proved Heyman right when WCW was failing and the 1-2 (actually 3-6) stars were making 6 figures plus while the rest were making chump change. The underlying philosophy ALWAYS reigned true, heel or face, Hogan won; Flair was always in it for the ladies; and nobody was truly in control. With that, WCW did die, but not on the level Heyman accounted for (and nobody for that matter unless you had a proverbial crystal ball) in that the AOL/Time Warner merger would be the dirt on WCW's grave. So by Heyman getting it wrong (WCW rise), Heyman got it right (mismanagement/misorganization)
No he wasnt, wwe propaganda machine worked on you. Wcw won ratings that night and the following shows. Things to change until wrestlemania that year. Mick foley winning had nothing to do with it.
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Mick Foley has been wearing the same shirt for 22 years!
22? Hes been wearing it since high school according to his books
@@dclawliet450 yup since High school I remember reading his book when i was a kid at our local library.
If it ain't broke...
@@JackDManheim Hahah edit: Holy crap 570 thumbs ups!
578! Let’s get it up!!!
Did anyone notice he was sitting next to the guy who sort of won the war for wwe
Parth Vaswani
Yeah. Taker, Kane, Austin, Rock, Foley, DX were the key factors in winning the Monday night war
Jericho was wasted on WCW. He showed Bischoff that the low cards were the real talent. Dont get me wrong, Hall, Macho, Hogan, etc *were* once very talented individuals. But WCW was a roster of wash ups with the added in segment of Goldberg and a few other small gimmicks. At the time it seemed amazing but looking back now it was anything but.
Stone Cold was the #1 reason... If he didn't become champion at Wrestlemania 14, WCW would of kept winning all of 1998. Who knows but Austin became fucking huge. It was his feuds with Vince, Undertaker, Mick Foley, The Rock and HHH eventually that made the best entertainment. If it were anybody else in Austin's shoes in early 1998 it wouldnt of carried the same momentum. Just look in the crowd by mid 1998 you could see hundreds of Austin shirts and signs. Hell , Austin was already the most popular guy there when Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels were still around. .
themadrapper101 I remember going to a WWE event in 1996.It was so weak and pathetic.Shawn Micheals and Stone Cold was the main event.The match only lasted around 10 minutes and it was over just like that.Austin hadn't came to be the huge star yet and the attitude era hadn't started so these shows were terrible at the time and people were expecting Shawn Michaels to really put on a show but all we got was a quick super kick and it was over.The look on everyone's faces were priceless.I think back then they only put on best shows for Monday night or pay per views.The rest of the days out the week were garbage
You guys missed the point of this comment. The night Raw destroyed Nitro in ratings for the first time in forever was the night Mankind won the WWF Championship Belt.
I loved it when BROCK LESNAR was on Stone Cold Steve Austin's podcast, and Austin asked Brock, "Why is Heyman doing all the talking for you man?" Brock replied, "I've gotta feed the Jew, man!"
Hahaha.
WAIT WHAT??? AAARRRGGGHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
“Call Heyman! He’s my Jew.”
Or when he's in the right and he says "you should listen, after all you are jewish"
Yeah man, love it! So funny! Totally! Let's smash our heads into a wall k??
I just realized how charismatic Paul Heyman is, even if he shoots.
Polishboss Holy shit, welcome to the club, I thought everyone knew.
He's a wrestling promoter. They're like modern carnies. Charisma is how they do business. How else do you think he got away with not paying his wrestlers for weeks (or months) at a time? He's gotta be a master bullshitter.
One of the best man. His pointers gave Austin the tools. He's a pro.
Blader But bigger than that. It's just haunting to witness the expertees he has on business. He's probably the biggest mastermind on the wrestling industry. I truly believe that if he had a bigger word in WWE like Bishoff once had the company would run much smoother then it is currently
He "got away with it" because there were legitimate reasons he withheld checks.
"I don't make predictions, I give spoilers!"
Except he was wrong....WCW killed WWF 83 straight weeks....
@@damienblack1283 Wtf are you talking about? He was never wrong? That is not what kill means, look where wcw is now? Nowhere, that's what kill means, austin killed the fkn garbage ass wcw company
@@damienblack1283 Who won the war they won a few battles but lost the war
@@damienblack1283 you smoke meth...dont you?!
@@lifeafteryou8179 The WWE didn't really win anything. They gained some things. They managed to stay alive after being financially hobbled by this situation. Then they absolutely f'd up the whole invasion angle so badly the "victory" was damn near meaningless. If Vince could have stowed is ego, the original plans for WCW would have worked much better. That snafu is one of the worst in wrestling history. So what the WWE really won was their survival and making more money. That is about . They botched WMX7 by turning Stone Cold into Vince's mitch, and then botched the invasion. They turned a guy the crowed was hot for into a damn clown. Let's be honest...WCW had more to do with their own destruction than the WWE did.
The funny thing is that it was Foley who ended up being the final nail in the coffin for WCW by "putting butts in WWF seats."
rockerseven yeah indeed
Nowhere near a nail. Let alone a final one.
No, that's the story WWE likes to tell. The truth is WWF had already been ahead in the ratings for a few months before that match
AUSTIN VS VINCE WAS THE HAMMER
@@Apeing510 no actually they weren't and they weren't when Mick fool won or the following shows. It wasnt until wrestlemania that year. Just look up the timeline
"Lets turn Alex Wright heel so I can get laid by 19 year olds."
Heyman is savage.
Heyman is right.
I don't get it.
@NapoleonBonerfart69I hope you meant attracted. I don't think turning heel also turns you gay, but hey maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't see it.
@@sneakysnake4466 back then, some might like the bad guy but people actually hated the heels still in the ECW era.
Turns out he had the wrong company banging(and allegedly pooping on) the 19 year olds 😂😂
I've said this in two replies already, but I'll give it its own post. Paul Heyman was as right as humanly possible. He knew the guys running the show were either too stupid or too conceited to run the show properly. He knew they were getting in way over their heads. That's all correct.
What he didn't know--what he couldn't have known--was that they'd start the nWo, which was the biggest thing wrestling had seen since the initial Hulkamania run. (Actually, it was bigger than that, in every sense except length of time) Just like you couldn't have predicted Ringo Starr would have been in the most famous band in the history of the world. Some things just come out of the blue.
Once the shine faded, though, it was over. Everything he said would happen, happened. Guys in the business for the wrong reasons, with the wrong priorities, sunk the ship.
maybe he's predicting wrestling in general...seems that wwe is going the same way slowly but surely too. one thing they can't take away from wcw 97-99 was it was the best wrestling show ever and put wrestling on the map and brought it to mainstream...which it never will be again
Nicely put.
Guillermo Moreno An interesting set of observations. I concur with you 100% about the quality and exposure of wrestling in the late 90's.
Question for you folks: Was is ever really possible for WCW to truly "win" the Monday night wars, given the immense internal political and financial problems of the WCW? In hindsight the picture for WCW looks very grim, especially when all of their backstage problems get brought to light, but there was a time when they were winning the war (and not a little) so the question remains. Thoughts?
Guillermo Moreno RAW was superior to Nitro in every way. The initial shock of Hollywood Hogan and The Outsiders was nice, but they quickly oversaturated the nWo and stuck with Sting's storyline way too long. WWF adopted ECW's signature of small arenas and high-impact wrestling, and it was just better. They had younger, better talent, and much more creative storylines.
heyman also said in a wade keller interview in like 1991 that steve austin was gonna be the biggest star going into the 2000s
Damn!!! Hey man really is that dude
Well, for like 2-3 years of the 2000s. His neck injury forced him to retire a lot earlier than what he wanted.
@@fromolwyoming going into the 2000s meaning 97, 98, and 99, but even in 2000 to 2003, he was still the biggest. Rock was only on top for a few months and that was only because austin left. And i would say brock and Goldberg, and hogan were bigger than rock was at that time. Then Cena took over in 2004. so o.g post was right.
@@meladgoat Brock and Goldberg were not bigger than The Rock lmfao.
@@rosscleary9110 Goldberg was the BIGGEST thing in wrestling for a year or two. 97 98 i believe.
Wow. He predicted EVERYTHING! TNA can be classed as the "keep Sting then have cheap guys for $75 per night".
+scoonboon He did not predict shit. WCW went on Mondays and got BETTER ratings than the WWF. And only got killed when moronic Russo went there.
+Johnny Skinwalker WCW beat them for nearly 2 years during its hot run with the nWo, and all-time lows for Vince because if poor booking and handling of talent. Then superstars started shining on WWF television, and the nWo got out of control (because, exactly as Heyman predicted, all the massive egos involved weren't kept in check, INCLUDING Bischoff's), and WCW faltered. Hogan and the rest of the crew devoured WCW for everything it had left to feed their egos and paychecks until they could do no more, then jumped ship, and left it to sink - just like the Hogan-Bischoff connection did in TNA, just like they'll do to poison every single organization they're brought in to to 'save' from now until the day they're all so old they can't stand in the ring any longer.
+Kotaro Tytan With respect that isn't quite true. It is fair to say that WCW didn't dominate the ratings until the nWo started, but they were beating WWF regularly from September 1995 and, of course, the nWo didn't appear until BATB 1996. I agree with the rest of what you say though.
+Butts McCool Exactly as Heyman predicted? No. Most of what he prophesised didn't happen. WCW made somebody a huge tonne of money. And yeah, maybe Ted Turner took a hit in the end, but you think he gives a fuck? Ted Turner is a billionaire: it's like that classic line from "Citizen Kane" where Charles Foster Kane brags about losing a million dollars last year, and knowing he'll lose a million dollars the next, but he doesn't care, as he can afford to lose a million dollars a year for the next 60 years before he'll have to close his newspaper. The reason why WCW self-destructed was BECAUSE it became hugely successful. WCW idled along for years, losing a little bit of money here and there, and could be doing so to this day, as long as it had the potential to one day become really big--Ted Turner was very patient with the company. WCW was a fairly benign wrestling company in terms of costing Turner, and it could've existed for years as a promotion that drew a respectable albeit largely unimpressive 3,000--5,000 fans per night. However, Bischoff lifted it to the level of company that consistently drew 15,000 fans--Heyman did NOT see that coming. And when the crowds got to 30,000, then 40,000, THAT is when things got out of control. Everybody wanted more money, salaries inflated, and everybody started leaving the ship. much like a football team that exceeds its salary cap and needs to draft talent all over again, at a cheaper price. What Heyman said was totally different. He said that Nitro wouldn't work, period. What in fact happened was Nitro became a firestorm of success, but it was lucrative even beyond Eric Bischoff's wildest dreams, too much too quickly, and he didn't know how to handle the sudden prosperity. Heyman, on the other hand, never took ECW beyond the level of a bingo hall promotion. I mean, here's Heyman, at some wrestling convention, talking crap about WCW and Bischoff. And Heyman could make all the jokes he wanted about Bischoff wanting to get laid with 19 year old girls, but I've seen the average ECW fan, and I'm sorry, but most 19 year old girls would find them repulsive. That's why Heyman's acolytes were laughing at his irrelevant jokes, the same reason Heyman was making them--insecurity. I don't deny that Bischoff was/is a prick, but he did a lot of stuff Heyman wanted to do, but couldn't. Heyman is almost undoubtedly a lot more likeable than Bischoff, but I can't possibly defend Heyman here--he just sounds totally jealous. I remember EVERYBODY said Nitro would never work in 1995, and they were wrong. WCW's later explosion doesn't retrospectively justify such doomsday prognostications from Heyman. It's like saying the Roman Empire was an utter failure, just because it no longer exists, but the fact remains at one stage, for several centuries, the Roman Empire ruled a huge part of the world.
+Johnny Skinwalker Know your facts pal. Russo signed with WCW on October 5, 1999. WWF was beating WCW at the start of April 1998. WCW started losing against WWF 1.5 years before Russo signed with WCW, get wrecked.
Man, Foley had a LOT of hair back in the day.
falloutghoul1 they both did lol
Foley looked trashy-majestic back then right through the attitude era till he cut his hair in 2000 or so
Holy Saint Of Allah no, it's foley
And a few more teeth.
falloutghoul1 And teeth
My heart goes out to Paul Heyman. That mind is astounding. Wish he had seen more success but he's definitely cemented his legacy.
Remember he's been in the business for a very long time. He worked for Vince Sr. LOL
BROCK .......... LESNAR
He had a great run.
@@prasanth2601 he is still as a manager
Brilliant mind and talent for wrestling but man did he suck as a businessman.
Anyone else just looking at Cactus the whole time?
He’s indeed handsome!
KingGhidorah5464 a
I can't believe you said that, mainly because that was what I was doing. Mainly looking at how young he looked
Baker Mayweather then your blind
only reason i clicked on this video
Paul is talking about WWF here as if 93-95 werent the worst years in the promotions history. Nobody watched WWF at this time except for the hardest of hardcore fans. Which is why It was not difficult for Turner to take his talent (a tactic Vince used when he destroyed the territories) and do something more appealing than Vince's cartoon story lines. Bischoff made wrestling better by challenging Vince out of the cartoon bullshit, and forcing him to fight for his livelyhood with better programming.Vince needs that kind of competition again, because Raw is back to being almost unwatchable.
+AntiPopLTD Well said, but there will never be another promotion who can challenge WWE ratings wise. It just won't happen again unfortunately. Wish WCW hadn't self destructed so they could still be around today and we'd have them and WWE. But oh well.
+AntiPopLTD exactly it was the competition and rivalry that brought out the best in WWF.
i mean they still had hbk and razor and bret and a few others
Mario Mattessich
You are absolutely right, and they didn't draw a dime at that time. Half of the audience walked out of the Wrestlemania 12 main event 60 min Iron man match between Bret and Shawn. Did you know that?? Casual audience just didn't want to see small guys back then. From 93 to around when Austin caught fire they were down to their most loyal base..
+KodyRF1993 Paul heyman for raw GM
His prediction of after Nitro going down is basically how TNA turned out. Man nailed it.
Aew to
@@bls8959 give it 3 more years to evaporate. they'll all come home.
AEW’s Next 😂
That's funny I thought the same thing after watching this video,havent seen this for a while too but it's amazing how eventually that was the case
@@javieratwood4445 I'm paying you to tell my fortune at some point, because you called the fuck out of this one.
Heyman channeling his inner New Yorker xD
inner jew
He looks like Mac from It's Always Sunny
I'm confused since he is a New Yorker. 200 and something other marks like it as well lol
Chad Thompson
You're correct. But chill with the names, my dude.
UPSTATE New Yorker right here
WCW dd wind up catching lightning in a bottle but the exact things Paul brought up about bad management and guys looking out for their own self-interests eventually did them in.
Paul Heyman is the best thing that has ever happened to wrestling. A god on the microphone.
Except when he didnt pay his wrestlers and ran his company into bankruptcy.😂😂😂😂
Paul was ultimately right! The nWo angle and Goldberg gave them some steam and were on top for a while (In ratings... not always in show quality and maybe never in profit) but they fucked that up. Basically over the reasons Heyman is stating here.
We'll all die. I will ultimately be right.
Vinny Carrocia His reasons.
+Vinny Carrocia Come at me when you're dead. Then I'll believe you
I think WCW had one year where they turned a huge profit.
He was actually wrong. Time Warner AOL killed WCW not Vince. Actually Heyman was almost completely wrong in these statements, as time would prove.
He was right about the washed up old WWF turncoats running the company into the ground.
and TNA is using that same business model.
Poisontype The Junglist not at the moment
Give me a fucking break. The only thing that killed WCW was the AOL merger. When your whole company is based on buying away the top talent with overpriced contracts, and suddenly your money dries up because a failing internet company is sucking your parent company dry, the end is going to come quickly.
WCW's money dried up because they were hemorrhaging money. In 1999 they had a loss of $15 million. This was BEFORE the merger. The company was on top and turning a profit 1996-1998, but they were back to losing money, and at a much faster rate than ever before by the time of the merger in 2000, and WWF already had double their ratings by that point. To say the only thing that killed WCW was the merger is ridiculous. If the company had been turning a profit the new bosses wouldn't have had a reason to kill it.
Yes...and before the AOL disaster, Ted Turner was willing to lose that money to contribute to try to build the brand. After the merger, with the money lost, he was no longer willing to do so.
I don't get why you are trying to refute me on this. It has been THOROUGLY discussed and pretty much AGREED UPON by all parties involved. From everybody at WCW, to Turner himself. That yes...the merger was the death blow to WCW.
knickknack07 If the company was turning a profit like it had been until 1998 instead of hemorrhaging money like never before there would have been no reason to fold the business, so the merger wasn't the only thing that killed it. What caused it to have an all-time record loss in 1999 and falling ratings BEFORE the merger?
Paul’s right. WCW would get their asses kicked by Raw. It would just be 5 years later. Will Vince Russo please stand up
Jeremy Hayes Jim Herd...
WCW would have kept up had they dropped PG..
It didn't happen until 1999 when Mankind won the WWF championship that WCW started losing. Creative Control contracts, Obsession with Ratings and failure to lift younger stars killed WCW. In the end the nail in the coffin with the AOL merger who wanted nothing to do with wrestling.
No, April 6 1998 is when WWE started winning. After that, Vince Mcmahon came out and declared RAW the highest rated wrestling show. This was after Austin became Champ. Mankind winning in 1999 was more like the final nail in the coffin before WCW got buried. 5 years after summer 95 would be summer 2000, Rock was the champion, RAW and WWE were at their popularity peak, WCW had a meter of dirt on them.
The only reason being is that Ted Turner was not really in to wrestling as a livelihood. WCW was just a small side thing for Ted Turner but if he had wanted to throw money at it and sink Vince and the WWF he could have just by the shear amount of money Ted Turner had that he could throw at a wrestling promotion. Ted Turner was tightening up the financial belt of his business ventures at the time close to year 2000 in order to sell off to TIME WARNER. So if Ted Turner had decided not to sell off his business ventures which WCW was one of them he could have and would have easily beat WWF in to the dirt. Remember that Ted Turner had his own freaking TV networks too. TBS and CNN which he could have leveraged to promote the WCW product.
Facts are facts. Ted Turner was loaded with a shit load of cash to spend on the WCW but he really was not interested in doing that because of him moving to sell off all his businesses.
he was right in the fact that management killed it he was just some years off
no he wasnt the WCW started dying in 1996 it just took some time for it to become a financial burden, mainly because they where backed by a multi BILLIONAIR!
Paul and Jim Cornette are both genious when it comes to the wrestling business
Can't even spell the word genius and you expected that comment to be taken seriously.
That was eerily accurate when you consider how impact started
Heyman is correct only in the sense of polarity: WCW lost, obviously, and did not win. However, they did not "get their asses royally kicked," but instead went on a ratings winning streak for over a year, and stayed competitive for another year and a half after that. I understand people want to say that the nWo was the one lucky idea that lead to WCW's success, but if you watch material from 1996 and 1997 nitro outside of nWo, the show was arguably better than RAW and reached for an audience that WWF did not until the Attitude Era kicked in, because of WCW's success. As for Ric Flair wanting to get laid by 19 year olds at age 46, I wouldn't doubt it.
They ultimately got put out of business by Vince and then bought by Vince and then all of their top guys jobbed out to Vince's guys. Ass kicking.
Heyman was correct about everything save for the people who would be complicit in the fall of WCW. Instead of Bischoff, Hogan, Flair, and Arn, it was largely Bischoff, Nash, Hogan and Vince Russo. WCW Did get their ass kicked after staying on top for 84 weeks[a little over 1 1/2 years], then WWF/E stomped them into the ground.
" I did it for The Rock "
+Free Play Mode...no..WCW only lost because AOL sucked Ted Turner dry and he had to cut Bischoff off from the money. Heyman was not right at all.
knickknack07 Ummmm no. AOL did not suck Ted Turner dry. Ted Turner was still a billionaire after the deal. He just was not in control. WCW in the years that Ted Turner owned it, only turned a profit for 2 years. It lost all kinds of money and the losses were subsidized by Turner's other business ventures: The Atlanta Braves, The Atlanta Hawks, CNN, Headline News, Cartoon Network, TBS, and TNT.
Amazing how according to Bischoff's own interviews Heyman's interpretation of what went on behind closed doors to cause Nitro to happen was spot on, that's exactly what happened, Bischoff gave Mondays as the excuse, convinced Turner wouldn't give him Monday Nights and then was stunned when he did just like Heyman interpreted lol he knew these people well lol
Or more likely he was talking to people in the business and hearing stories. You honestly don’t think he wasn’t talking to people at WCW? He was talking to Sullivan no doubt during that time
Heyman got fired from WCW by Eric!!
That’s why Heyman started ECW!
So yea, he was VERY familiar with WCW!
@@BlackFlightNY Technically, he didn’t start ECW, that was Tod Gordon who did but I get your what you’re saying.
@@BlackFlightNYI thought Watts fired Heyman
Where WCW screwed up was the guaranteed contracts. They had to have that to compete with Vince. But the problem long-term is that when guys have say over their characters, you’re log jammed at the top and you can’t develop your mid-Card beyond a certain point. It’s not a successful business strategy to let the Steve Austin’s, Mick Foley’s, Chris Benoit’s, Eddie Guerrero’s, etc walk in order to keep 45-year-old Hulk Hogan and his cronies.
That hulk contract screwed them so badly
There product also went down the drain. Ratings is the reason they sold WCW. If the ratings were high they would not have sold it
@@cjuare123Incorrect. AOL Time Warner wanted nothing to do with the product after the merger. Regardless of how successful they never wanted wrestling in their portfolio. They always had intentions of selling once Ted was pushed aside. That and a few key players working for Warner basically set it up so Vince would get first dibs at buying it. The entire story is actually quite interesting.
@@nastynastke the ratings were not good. Are you that clueless? If the ratings were high they would not have sold it. I know how the industry worked back then. The ratings is what made executives make decisions on certain shows.
@@cjuare123 No you my friend are clueless. Do your research on a man named Jamie Kellner. Once you do, you should have all the info you need to not be clueless anymore and you'll have the answer as to why WCW is no longer here today. At the time of WCW goin out of business it was still the highest rated show on TNT...So do not tell me I am clueless and that it was about ratings. Good grief
Paul's words really did predict the future.Even with WCW winning for awhile, the reason they managed to do it was because they did get their shit together, for the briefest of windows. And it just so happens, it was also at a very low time creatively for Vince and Co.
And the reason WCW lost all the momentum they built up was for the EXACT reasons Heyman claimed.
No, Vince went rated-R out of desperation & it worked.
@@fmbbeachbum8163going r-rated wasn't the magic bullet. WCW was also r-rated but their matches were booked so horribly a lot of people tuned out. Vince streamlining the storyline and putting himself in the line of fire AND being r-rated was the magic formula for WWE
I wonder if Paul predicted Vince buying ECW, and reviving it only to defile it.
IWatchAnime92 he's a living proof that understanding how the industry works is different from knowing how to actually run it. He obviously understands how it works, his predictions are spot on.. but he obviously can't run it, Vince destroyed ECW
He honestly may have known he'd get bought out. The thing is, didn't he make a LOT of money being bought out? So to him, it wasn't a bad deal. To everyone else, it was.
TheTaterTotP80 He filed for bankruptcy and had to pay Vince back all the money he loaned to ECW. Not exactly the greatest deal for somebody who deep down really wanted the product to continue but a lot of it was Paulie's fault as well for literally gambling a lot of his money away and not having the best relationships with major networks. My thing is if TNA can still be on TV with their shit ratings than ECW definitely should've been kept on TV
Vince didn't destroy ECW, Paul E. did. Heyman around this timeframe was getting paid by WWF. Thats why they did the ECW invasion angle in like 96-97. ECW was already employed by WWF long before they officially bought it.
@@MrPonten4 exactly. ECW was funded by Vince McMahon and basically ECW was just a training center for the WWF
I really beleive that if Ted Turner let Paul Heyman run WCW instead of Bischoff they would have won the Monday Night War since Heyman has always had long term vision, while Bischoff just like Russo was pretty much just into shock value short term angles and that's why the NWO became so stale once that the Sting-Hogan feud was over
Paul biggest weakness is that he was a terrible business man
@@painvillegaming4119 give him the booking but never let him near a chequebook.
@@PhilMante yeah fit enought
Was already getting stale before that, it was too predictable since they'd be doing the same shit just about every week
Imagine Paul would own WWE
Bye bye PG Era then
+AJ Smalls i think Attitude Era would've lasted a lot longer
I think they'll go out of buisness if Herman owned WWE
Heyman*
I agree with Alex, he couldn'r run the buisness and the show on his own. he needed an owner. But when he never paid his employees and never mentioned bankruptcy, it was sheerly to protect them and he raised the point that he was not getting paid either, they could afford to leave, at the time he couldn't.
GENIUS. he was and still in the genius of wresling stuff.
too bad he doesn't have his own company. cuz right now he is the only thing worthwhile on raw
Guillermo Moreno after wcw downfall no company could compete with wwe, it became global entertainment, and will dominate that stuff in my opinion 4ever. yeah there will be mexican and japanese companies, but in usa no chance for another promotion, tna will die in years and probably will be bought too :) they are doing same stuff like wcw did, buying old overused wrestlers and use them years and years. paul was succesfull cause he started something new in pre monday night era, also these times tv dont let extreme stuff, its pg era, even wwe can use few swear words in years... no doubt he is genius, but that why he is in wwe and managing wrestlers and helping stories etc
MindaugasLegend It'd be nice if another Ted Turner would come along and really bankroll another company much like Turner Cable did with WCW back in the day.
MindaugasLegend but yet he was wrong...the ONLY thing he got right is that wcw wouldnt exist. wcw decimated wwf in the monday night wars and vince has said himself that he was THISCLOSE to bankruptcy during the monday night wars...i think i heard somewhere that the turning point in the wars was the night mick foley won the wwf championship and bischoff made the stupid move of announcing it on nitro and everyone turned on raw to watch it happen
yep tim, you got it...vince is a prick and his show sucks...he couldve seriously made wrestling something quadruple what wcw was but instead he let his ego get in the way. paul got it made now tho and hes doing what he really wanted to do, which is be a great manager (if not the greatest of all time dare i say). Ring Of Honor is where its at now baby #DEMBOYZ
Heyman was right because in the end, WCW wound up out of business 6 years later in 2001
By pretty much doing everything he predicted. They put the old guys over & crushed the younger guys at every turn
+Miller2h41 No shit, Sherlock!
@@Bambuzzsprosse There was no need to respond that way.
@@Miller2h41 I think it was. If someone is THAT much of a Captain Obvious then he is entitled to get shamed.
It's like calling a video "Elephant dances to piano music" and you'd write "He is dancing because he is listening to piano music".
@@Bambuzzsprosse I wrote a comment but you obviously feel the need to demean me to make yourself feel good. You are a sad piece of human waste on this earth.
He was kind of right. He correctly guessed that Bischoff said they should do Monday nights (well, actually he just said primetime) and was then shocked to see Turner actually say okay. He also says that he thinks they had COULD take it to the WWF if they did "X,Y and Z" but they won't because they're inept... the fact is they actually did do the "X, Y and Z" that he lists... but then eventually still fall to the problems that he predicted afterwards. So he's wrong a little and right a little. Considering he doesn't have a crystal ball that IS still interesting to hear now years later.
He's only wrong in that he didn't predict the nWo, which he would have had no way of predicting. That one gimmick was responsible for all of WCW's success; they mishandled literally everything else, and eventually mishandled the nWo as well.
Paul was as right as you could be in predicting something like that. He knew they would fail, and they did. He just couldn't have predicted that they'd stumble into the greatest big idea of the 90s.
***** That's actually a very good point and one that few people realize. Also, I don't think WCW was ever really on good financial footing and this caught up with them during the AOL/Time Warner merger.
Doesn't matter what he said. WCW did kick ass for a number of years before they failed.
Charlie Acklen not only did it kick ass it put wrestling on the map!!! to this day wwe has to continue to bury it...14 years later. it was the best wrestling show EVER hands down
***** He didn't just predict the downfall of the company, he predicted exactly why it would fail. He was 100% right.
heyman just wanted to have a promotion solid but never compete with vince he always like the partnership..... he just wanted to do his best this is why vince still hires him constantly the guy has a good mindset
The guy next to him could really have a good match with the undertaker in a hell in the cell
The guy next to him can also help WWE boost their ratings.
The guy next to him may one day put some 'Butts in Seats'
The guy next to him is hall of famer Mick Foley and he and Taker DID have a historic hell in the cell match.
@@808allday7 OMG, I´ve watited 2 years for this moment. And finally I can r/WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH the Sh*t out of some captian obvious on youtube. You´ll be a hell of a General obvious one day, I´m sure !
@@808allday7 Dude. Just... dude.
lol even when Heyman's wrong he's right.
He didn't say anything wrong in this video. A 50 year old company tried to go head to head with Vince, and only lasted 6 years after starting the Monday night war. WCW got owned, even if they were winning the war initially. Everything paul said would happen, ended up happening.
+The Game Corner BY 50 year old company, I assume you mean JCP and not the NWA. To say that JCP and WCW were the same thing, just because Turner bought its talent and trademarks, is drawing a long bow indeed. Different company, different people, different structure. And no, Heyman said Nitro would be an utter failure. And all this bluster was coming from some John Belushi looking motherfucker whose company never got out of the bingo hall.
+The Game Corner Actually, he did say something wrong. Paul said that Nitro had no chance and it would get destroyed. Nitro was number 1 for 83 weeks in a row at one point. No matter how you spin it, Paul was wrong that Nitro would get crushed. Eventually, it did, but I guarantee you that Paul thought it would have happened a couple of years before 2001.
+WMX 213 He said they had a chance if they had their shit together and they did briefly. After those 84 weeks were up, game over.
Those 84 weeks were up in early 98. Then WWF starting growing, but WCW didn't start trending downward in the ratings until about a year later.
Paul Heyman: Hilarious and accurate at the same time. Its amazing how accurate this prediction was too, like WCW eventually giving away free tickets to fill up their TV tapings. Genius.
It wasn't accurate at all what are you talking about?
If you wish to disagree with me then fine, thats up to you, don't expect me to get into a typing argument on youtube. I'm allowed my opinion and you're allowed yours.
Brett Eli wcw did give free tickets for many empty seats
Van Damned wwe gave away free tickets last week to fill like 15% of their seating luk
From what I gather, Heyman based his "prediction" on his experience in WCW when it was run by Jim Herd, a guy that knew more about selling pizzas than tickets. Heyman simply thought WCW would fall in short order due to mismanagement and fragile egos in the locker room (Hogan), as well as a few select wrestlers (also Hogan) getting paid much more than half the roster. He was right in everything except _when_ WCW would fall, which was postponed due to Hogan's heel turn and the formation of the nWo. Nevertheless, his prediction came true: Guys with big egos clashing and constantly changing the booking to put themselves over the rest of the boys, the repetitive nWo-centric angles, Nash's wallet making more money from WCW than vice-versa, etc started the fire that eventually burned it down; Russo simply added more napalm with his fucked up gimmick matches.
lol Russo. There is that weird conspiracy theory he was a inside agent for Vince. Paul and Russo... two brains far apart like earth and sky.
@@MALITH666 People have said the same thing about Kevin Nash.
Hogan's heel turn literally changed wrestling forever. The guy was making 10 million a year in the 80s. He did'nt have a fragile ego, he was always thinking about his legacy & business. Hogan did'nt hold anyone back period. Goldberg came in & took it, did Hogan not job clean to him? You need to learn how his contract was set up.
Holy Shit Heyman's a genius, he pretty much roughly told the future here.
VeryFriendly Nihilist bullcrap. he said they would go really good if they give it a try, thats what happened, until mankind won the wwf title and got asses in seats. the attitude era has started and nitro would never beat wwf at ratings again and thnx to their personal problems they sold wcw to wwf. chris jericho quote: "for the money vince bought it even I could have afford it" .. and remember, jericho was in the cruiserweight divison.
shaka Laka Ironic seeing that Mick Foley was sitting next to Heyman.
VeryFriendly Nihilist
They did well in terms of ratings, yes, but WCW in the 12 years they were in business only turned a profit in 2 of them. Bischoff's over-spending really did them in and Russo's booking put the final nail in the coffin.
VeryFriendly Nihilist he had it prety much right.
Goldberg is the only "new" guy I saw who got a descent push.
WCW was like a retirement house.
Hogan is an ego-maniac.
WCW had a chance, but mismanagement destroyed WCW.
Vince was actually scared for some time.
The Rise and Fall of WCW made me realize the stupid contract stipulations.
"oh if you hire another guy (after me) with a higher salary than mine, then i should get a raise"
I mean wtf? fucking egocentrics.
I thought Bret Hart loved wrestling, but he loved how wrestling brought him money.
Nitro did really well in the ratings, often beating Raw, up until mid 1999. After that it was a fairly steady slide downhill. Even so, the Nitro ratings were still respectable up to the end. Nitro did far better than Heyman ever thought it would, even before the nWo hit the scene.
You mean 97-98? That's when the steak ended.
@@kevynhansyn2902yup, the reliving the war series by wrestlingbios has been a great look into what transpired during that time.
His description of Ric Flair is still accurate to this day
Could of he predicted that his client defeat an undefeated streak? lol.
+Robert Granros I just imagine Paul accidentally bumping into a teenage Brock Lesnar, and thought to himself: "A few years down the road, I have a gut feeling I'm gonna manage that kid."
+Commander Goldwing i wish hed wear his ecw stuff instead of a suit lol
+Tom S.A. Savage when paul saw teeage brock all he though this brock dont need onix
+Robert Granros wow taker was only 4-0 at that point.
+Robert Granros If you're talking about the Undertaker's Wrestlemainia streak. The streak wasn't even a thing yet The Undertaker had only wrestled in four Wrestlemainias. 91-92-93 injured in 94 and wrestled in 95.
If Ted didn't make that merger with AOL. wrestling would still be on Turner networks. Ted would have footed the bill forever. And that's what Heyman was essentially saying at the end.
By the time AOL came along, Ted Turner was already removed from power by Time Warner. IF Turner could've retained control of Turner Sports and TBS, we would likely have been given another 5 years of WCW
crazyhayn They probabley would canceled WCW Thunder and brought in ECW Hardcore TV who was looking for a better Network Deal
WCW was dead in the water long before that the minute Rock and Stone and Mick became the focus of wwf you knew WCW lost the war and that was 1 year before WCW lost at this point the minute Vince Russo went to WCW he fucked them up left and right I believe Mcmahon paid Russo to fuck WCW over
1:29 I love how the camera pans out to show Mick Foley sitting there when Heyman while was shouting "Holy Shit we're gonna get our asses kicked!"
Because that's the man who actually kicked WCW's Ass once and for all on January 4th 1999.
Grab the phone, because Paul E called it.
Heyman himself admitted that he got it (dead) wrong.
Sebastian Kerkhoff
Wo ist die Soße das Paul E das sagte?
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He mentioned it in a shoot interview where he basically said that he was surprised about their success and admitted that he did not see it coming.
Then he'll hit you with it. Remember how he used to do that?
Look at the TV WCW produced right before Scott Hall showed up. Look at the team that they sent against the nWo at Bash at the Beach. Monster Truck fights, face painting during the time people wanted cool and badass. So lucky with the nWo but the bad booking crept back up and the nWo wasn't new enough anymore to take the attention away from it.
Sadly, the booking was all up to Nash, Hall, Hogan, and Biscoff.
Steven Simmons
Kevin Sullivan was the booker in WCW until 98, Hogan had creative control over his own matches, but that was the extent of Hogan's booking reigns. Hall was never involved in the booking outside of being friends with Nash, and Nash only had the book for about 8 or so months.
Heyman was right about how WCW was running their business, but he couldn't foresee a few things and in a few ways, he was wrong. He couldn't predict the nWo, which was the big game changer. He also couldn't predict ECW's role in WCW's product - that it wouldn't just be guys from Jodie Hamilton's school coming and that many of the talent who ECW highlighted would be wooed away with big money contracts. Rey Mysterio and the luchadors, Benoit, Guerrero, Malenko, Raven, etc.
That said, WCW did die the way Heyman believed, once the creative well ran dry in WCW, the egos and everything he was talking about took over. It just wasn't as immediate as he predicted.
The Attitude Era defeated WCW....its still sad to see something that old be killed off and then all of the WCW talent wasted in WWE...
Vince McMahon had an opportunity to create the greatest wrestling promotion of all time but threw it away for pride and anger. Not to mention I have seen several WCW and ECW stars say that they were treated poorly backstage by WWE stars. Of course that would happen with all of these new guys coming in taking up time slots for WWE stars but yet McMahon should have expanded then to make more time slots and create another brand of wrestling...he waited too long to bring in the ECW brand and it was too little too late to mend relationships that were destroyed during the Invasion series not to mention that the Invasion could have been amazing but it was mediocre at best only signifying the end of the Attitude Era.
PG Era has killed the WWE but it is the only thing to watch other than TNA which is nothing more than reworked WWE storylines (Orlando Screw-job). That is sad to see that old WCW talent can only think to rework WWE controversies to get ratings.
Fact of the matter is TNA is no WCW and all (older) wrestling fans miss the good ole days of the Monday Night Wars and unfortunately for us we will never again see that kind of rivalry again in wrestling until some sort of WWE fissure that splits the talent and comes up with fresh ideas that can work and make audiences drop their jaws in amazement.
WWE = John Cena is the Champion or will be soon. TNA = Who cares to even watch?
Finally the WWE Survivor Series was focused too much on WWE stars and should have been more like Stone Cold, The Rock, Chris Jericho, The Big Show, and Mic Foley/Triple H V.S. Goldberg, Booker T, Kevin Nash, Lance Storm/Scott Steiner, and Tommy Dreamer/Mike Awesome (for ECW since they were the smallest brand) (/ = or)
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I don't think the attitude Era defeated WCW. I think primarily WCW defeated themselves. They could have done a lot of things right but they didn't. A lot of people blame Vince Russo too but he was just doing some different stuff because wcw was in trouble anyway. I think when wrestlers like Hogan have the power they did that is when things go bad. Starcade 97' for example. As a product this just left a bad taste in your mouth bc Hogan wouldent job cleanly to Sting. I remember how disappointed I was with that finish. Then you have things like Hogan vs Nash, Hogan vs Jarret, which were non matches as main events no less. DDP vs Goldberg going off the air during PPV (Bash at the Beach I think) and Goldberg winning the Title not at a PPV but on Nitro. These are all stupid mistakes. In the end WCW didn't stand a chance especially with the network issues. wcw killed itself. Bishoff was a genius in a lot of ways but he let a lot of things go wrong and that's why wwf came out on top. WCW had the top talent at the time and didn't use it. The attidute era was great but the wwf was in a lot of trouble during the Monday night wars. They just let wcw destroy itself.
MDCasino I completely agree
MDCasino Russo came in when it was dying and it was a tough job but he ended up landing the killing blow with the Bloodline crap and putting the title on himself. It was god awful.
One of the greatest minds in wrestling of our era, shame other aspects of his personality have gotten him in hot water with so many people over the years 😂
Is that Foley next to Paul?
yes.
I think thats Balls Mahoney
Yeah, I thought that at first too, but then I saw the classic missing front teeth and started to question if was Foley. Never realized how similar they looked at that time.
This was 1995, Balls didn't join ECW until 1997 and Foley was in ECW as Cactus Jack until 1996.
yes
I think it is so interesting how Paul predicted how the Monday Night Wars would end. Obviously WCW didn’t get immediately destroyed like he predicted, but he even said that WCW had the resources where they could have been a major success if they got their shit together, he just didn’t think they would. Of course WCW did monster business for about 2 1/2 years, but they ultimately went out of business for exactly the reasons he predicted, Bischoff could not keep control backstage, disorginaztion was insane and most of the top guys only cared about themselves to the detriment of everyone else.
Thank you for noticing he was wrong they would not compete even though stated they could. He was still incorrect about that. Heyman has always been one of the greatest minds, and unlike Cornette he can transcend the era he was brought up in. The truth is in 1995 the WWF was really losing momentum that started sometime in 1993. It was a slow bleed, but it was happening pre-WCW doing anything. Bischoff just took advantage of their weaknesses such as not being live and doing handshake deals. Even at that people get on these tirades about ratings today and all these promotions combined don't pull the ratings of the mid to late 90s. What are they debating? Who is struggling less?
Man, if you said this was Paul talking about AEW here in 2022, I would believe ya in a heartbeat!!!
The fact that Heyman, Cornette, etc, are actually younger than I thought is kind of incredible. I thought they were in their 60s. Cornette isn't even 60 yet and Heyman is even younger!
Only thing heyman is over 60 in is waist line 🤣🤣
How was Heyman spot on?! Like a year or so later, WCW went in on WWF/E for 2 years straight with one of the best angles to this day… The reason why Vince won at the end isn't because of anything Vince did… It was eventually backstage foolishness that caused the promotion to implode…
You just answered your own question. Heyman was predicting that the idiocy and ego that existed in WCW & Time Warner would be their undoing. He was most certainly right about that.
Heyman did say was Bischoff said later--he asked for Monday nights as he thought it would show that he wanted to kick WWE's butt, but Bischoff thought it was safe as Turner would never give him Monday night.
Clinton Peacock While Heyman did not call it 100% (eg.: not knowing the ultimate "good guy" Hogan would turn heel and the nWo would be a success until they watered it down with most of the roster being on it in some form of fashion), the backstage issues that he outlined 5 1/2 years before their demise was correct. As for Vince and the then WWF, Vince did have a lot to do with them winning because if he stuck with the cartoon character crap he was putting on TV (granted WCW was doing the same at the beginning of the "wars" with gigs like the Dungeon of Doom), he could have folded before WCW did. After being stripped of all of his big names, he created new stars with "attitude" (pun intended) that the fans got behind and it was a smashing success! Granted, he did have a little luck believe it or not due to a couple of injuries: HBK having the back injury that kept him out of the ring for 4 years led to there being no obstacles in the way of Stone Cold's huge rise to the top in which he carried the company with him and Stone Cold needing neck surgery in 1999 which allowed there to be no obstacles in the way of The Rock rising to the top and being almost equal with Austin as a face and HHH rising as a big time heel (of course not on Austin or Rock's level). If Vince didn't make changes, which contributed heavily to WCW's demise, then both companies would have been in the toilet shortly after the turn of the millennium.
Heyman said exactly that. That the backstage politics would be WCW's undoing.
paul heyman should be universally known as "master of the promo". he has inspired many to do some of the best wrestling promos that have ever existed and he consistently does his own solid promo work for more than 25 years!
I don't think no one could have saw the nWo coming. That's where Paul was wrong. But once the nWo faded, basically it took two years and WCW was close to dead and on that third year they wished Paul was right about running shows on TBS because now they are just old school shows on the WWE Network.
Even before nWo, WCW was beating WWF about 1/2 the time. They were neck and neck before nWo. Heyman was completely wrong here because (like most observers) he assumed that WWF and WCW had an overlapping fanbase while in reality the Northern and Southern fans were two distinct fanbases watching one promotion or the other.
@@jjalkman1999 the true NWA/WCW purists were pissed when Bischoff brought Hulkamania to the company... When WCW withdrew from the NWA, they wanted to create an completely new, fresh and different alternative to the WWF and were really pushing the young up and comers like Stunning Steve Austin and Jean Paul Levesque as top talent until Bischoff pulled the rug by having an updated 80s version of the WWF with Hogan, Macho Man, the Earthquake, Hacksaw Duggan, the Giant (a new Andre), Brutus Beefcake, the Renegade (a new Ultimate Warrior), etc
Heyman's beard looks sick as hell. He actually looked like he could mess someone up.
No he doesn't.
I’ve watched this clip a lot over the years and always wanted to see the rest of this interview
1995 and predicts nearly the entire war! Wow!
yes WCW was beating the (then)WWF for 2 years - but what Heyman predicted came to fruition - he basically laid out verbatim the backstage politics that would end up sinking the WCW ship... the show ended being run into the ground by Hogan and Nash, and Bischoff did nothing but fan the flames..
the same shit is happening over in TNA as we speak..
Heyman is a brilliant wrestling mind - and it's a shame he isn't in a more creative position in the WWE.
That's why Paul's a genius in this business. He foretold what happened in or around 2000 when WCW finally was bought out by Vince. When you know what's going to happen in this business 5-10yrs before it actually does. Yeah you know EXACTLY how this business works. And that also explains why he's JUSTIFIABLY in the WWE hall of fame now.
Paul Heyman is freaking brilliant, I always loved this guy and everything he has done in and out of the wresting business, he is a guaranteed hall of famers, and one of if not the best manager in wrestling history (easily in the top 3 alongside Heenan and Cornette).
84 weeks of ratings dominance in the Monday Nights wars aint shit when your company is bought out by the company that was on the losing end of that 84 weeks. I loved both companies, however WCW was poorly manage with one angle(NWO) & no pushing of any new stars. Even if WCW were still running today itll be TNA-esque. Running in small venues. Stale storylines with stale crowds.
TNA basically is today's WCW. It's owned by NWA and they're WWE's main rivals.
tna isnt owned by NWA they are owned by Anthem
+StonedCold NWA is owned by Billy Corgan
There not main rivals...
TNA is today's ECW.
Paul was 29 years old here.
ECW was WWE's Ally in the Monday Night Wars
It's amazing how Paul Heyman predicted the fall of WCW and then described what would become TNA all in the same question.
Even when he was F ing young goddamn the way he speaks is beautiful I love this guy seriously I always learn new stuff from this guy Paul Heyman
It's funny because he could have said literally the exact same thing about TNA and it would have been even MORE true.
Paul E calling out Ric Flairs creepiness 25 years ago
he correctly predicted half of it. WCW did have a hot streak for a minute but ultimately bad management and selfish egos ate at WCW like a disease and was ultimately their undoing.
Update: Paul Heyman predicts AEW's chances against WWE.
This has got to be, one of my favorite pro wrestling videos of all time here on TH-cam. You have to admit, 23 years ago, Paul Heyman had a nugget of truth.
Can't say that I like Paul Heyman as a person but my god! The guy is a genius. Whatever he says and touches, turns to gold! He truly deserves being in the HOF and should of been inducted a long time ago!
Is that Mick Foley on the right hand side at 1:40?
It sure is buddy, why? Do u want to kiss him? Or smell his fart?
@@c3realK1ll4h tf
Yea
Nah. I think that cactus jack.
2:02 '...everything from new graphics to new announcers to...new world order'
Paul Heyman was truly ahead of his time. He definitely knew the business. I just wished he was a good financial business man and maybe ECW would still be going on to this day
if he had tony khan money, he be unstoppable
@@officialsonic1 your not lying
ECW was funded by Vince McMahon. Sorry to ruin your fantasy.
The prediction was not accurate. Nitro beat Raw the night of its premiere and ended up beating Raw for 84 consecutive weeks. In the clip Heyman predicts that Nitro would fail and end up being cancelled immediately, forcing WCW to revert into a smaller, regional promotion. That didn't come to pass.
*He also said they have a shot if WCW came together. Which they did* for awhile with NWO but it became stale with no evolution or progress. Thus WCW became the shit product that was predicted it will become as a result of idiots running the company. NWO helped with ratings but WCW fell so fast soon after the last couple of years.
Vince shows up on Nitro shows how pathetic WCW was in staying alive. Only some WCW wrestlers abandoned ship within the last couple of years to WWF.🤣
Heyman was right. WCW fans so salty in ignoring Paul saying they have a shot to go against Vince. Paul knew, most people who knew WCW management knew it was that bad.
He was not right. He predicted that Nitro would be an instant failure and that they would be "massacred" by Raw and be forced back to Saturday nights. He was completely wrong.
While he was not 100% right WCW failing right away still ended up failing for the reason Heyman stated.
86am Heymen was right in the end
If a basketball team is up by 30 in the second quarter but the other team comes back in the fourth then they lose. WCW was up by 30 in the second quarter. All the things Paul said did happen and for the very reasons he said.
it took a few years but he really hit the nail on he head
He was Always a prime time *Yappy Yappster.*
when he said they’ll have thunder and lightning. he predicted thunder
He was half right he correctly predicted why WCW failed, but he was wrong that it was goign to be a complete curb stomping.
Paul E. comes from the business. He was a better #2 to WWE, and if he ran WCW, they’d probably still be around.
This was actually incredibly prophetic. Although it took a few years, what he said is exactly why WCW imploded. The top names were aloud to basically book the promotion....and when that talent are guys like Hogan, Flair & Nash, they will never circumvent their own egos long enough to NOT do what's best for themselves. The only place Hey man went wrong? That they would stick around at a lower level because the booking issues and Russo/Bishoff/Hogan politics ran it down so much that eventually Jeff Jarrett held the belt. When JJ is your top guy, your promotion is screwed...a champ needs to draw. To a much lesser extent, this happened in WWF during the "New Generation" era when Brett held the belt...which is why I think NWO got over and WCW ruled for a few years. Brett...he's probably one of the most technically sound wrestlers of all time...but he didnt have that charisma and promo skills that a champ needs. He was OKAY at it but, he didnt sell many tickets. Now the difference here is WWF recognized and fixed the problem by ushering in the "Attitude" era, with guys like Austin and Rock on top. WCW...well, they never saw ANYTHING.
eerie that this observation 25 years ago can be applied to NXT vs AEW
I think AEW is going to do well. I don’t think it will have WCW levels of competition, but it’s got good story telling and more of a “live event” feel. They’ve got some amazing, talented workers that are definitely “putting butts in seats”.
2:12 In the exact order, Heyman was referring to Hogan, then Nash, then Bischoff, then Flair.
Nash was still in WWE when this interview took place but it is legit
Sullivan
Oh hai Mick Foley...*waves to him in the background*
Nitro became the biggest wrestling show in the world. Nothing Paul built ever did. Just an epic swing and miss.
He was right actually, eventually. It was good for 83 weeks, then it got killed.
@@sickpup820 someone watched some WWF DVDs
He knew how the business works. I feel like this also validates that Eric did the best he could've with what he had.
The nWo did delay Paul's prediction, but by 1998 everything started coming true.
Right down to the Alex Wright heel turn
Paul Heyman got it right... because Paul Heyman got it wrong.
The video shows Heyman saying if they pooled their resources and put a combined effort into Nitro succeeding, they would compete with WWF/E. Which as we know is true due to Turner's focus on winning at all costs, which proved heyman wrong from 96-98. However because of this, it proved Heyman right when WCW was failing and the 1-2 (actually 3-6) stars were making 6 figures plus while the rest were making chump change.
The underlying philosophy ALWAYS reigned true, heel or face, Hogan won; Flair was always in it for the ladies; and nobody was truly in control. With that, WCW did die, but not on the level Heyman accounted for (and nobody for that matter unless you had a proverbial crystal ball) in that the AOL/Time Warner merger would be the dirt on WCW's grave.
So by Heyman getting it wrong (WCW rise), Heyman got it right (mismanagement/misorganization)
Man, the Monday Night Wars deserve their own HBO level retelling
LOL Young Heyman!
How about young Foley!
IKR FOLEY AND HEYMAN WERE BOTH 30 IN THIS VIDEO
Well, he was really wrong. Nitro eventually had the lead in the ratings for 83 weeks in a row.
Only a single random troll could have predicted that in 1995
I wonder if the full Q&A is out there somewhere?
Remember when we thought Flair was old at 46 years old?
What if Paul heyman took over wcw. And brought ecw talent to there before ecw ended.
83 weeks, heh. Had AOL/Time Warner not botched things, Starcade might be the 2-night event today.
whats ironic is that the man sitting next to heyman was the guy part responsible for WWE beating WCW
***** mick foley
No he wasnt, wwe propaganda machine worked on you. Wcw won ratings that night and the following shows. Things to change until wrestlemania that year. Mick foley winning had nothing to do with it.
lol predicted TNA also