Never thought I see Hilti as the cheapest tool in a test! Very impressive efficiency, I'm guessing mostly due to the smaller blade. Would be interesting to see how the others would fare with a smaller blade, shame they didn't let you.
Another plus for husqvarna is that it pushes air through the battery while using. This prevents overheating and extends the battery cycle life. Husqvarna is the only OPE manufacturer I’ve seen doing this.
We run both the Hilti and the Gen 1 Milwaukee as a mason contractor. Both outperform ac powered conc saws we have been stuck using for the past decade. The Hilti is a scalpel as it's lighter and more nimble but the Milwaukee is an absolute beast and will cut anything you put in front of it but that Gen 1 is a heavy saw. Really heavy. We are getting a Gen2 with force batteries hopefully soon.
I am very impressed by Hilti performance. I am heavily invested in Makita 40v line, but if I ever need a concrete cutter I will go and take greenworks 82v commercial saw. It just sits in our local retailer office for around 350$ and I got plenty of batteries, and full combo with 2 8ah, charger and saw will go below 1000.(batteries are charging around 2,5 hours minimum if hot)
I'm in the market for a battery concrete cutter and found your head to head super informative. I'm going to re-watch this video before I make a decision. Thank you so much for the time and effort you guys invest.
Having used the Hilti with the water pump as well it worked amazing. Also amazingly smooth power and nice compact balance. I own the 700x gas saw and it was very comparable. We also cut out several openings toothing 2 brick windows and one door and never changed the batteries on anything. It kicked butt. We could have easily kept up with the charging if needed and not having to pull start and have the constant engine noise was great.
Hey Rob great head to head. We appreciate you guys doing these so we can make an informed purchase. Off the subject, what pants are you wearing in this video and which do you recommend for everyday work wear? Also when will be the next work wear head to head? Thanks again to you and the guys testing these.
I run the husqvarna’s to cut cml/c steel pipe. Anywhere from 10ga to 1/2” wall. The 770 will do the job but underpowered. The 970 is a good in between from the bigger saws. I have one from 2014 with minimal maintenance and runs good. Just make sure you blend the gas correctly and they will run forever.
Great test, was waiting for this one, really exciting stuff :) they all look like really nice tools, can't go wrong with either! Also I see that mx fuel forge batteries are out, also exciting with the tabless tech.
Small fun fact. A gallon of gasoline has 33.6kWh of energy, so the gas tank here has 7.98kWh, or 7980wh worth of electricity before the conversion efficiency to mechanical energy. That puts the gas saw at 266wh per cut. Talk about efficiency. But if you then look at the size and weight of a gallon of gas compared to the amount of batteries needed for 9933ah worth of 3.6v cells, combined with the fact gas is a fluid, it makes sense why gas is still preferred
Thank you for this test. These still aren't comparable. I can almost buy four TS420 saws for the price of that Husqvarna. They're good if you're somewhere you can't use gas engines but I'm never in that situation.
Curious why your asking that for Makita and not others? We used the 14" Thin Kerf Diamond Blade, Segmented, General Purpose (E-16748) which is ideal for use with a battery-powered power cutter,
Apologies, I was watching the video and a football game at the same time. Missed some of the details. I have worked for both companies, Hilti and Makita. Also, worked at White Cap, so familiar with all the brands. Thanks for your time
Cheers buddy use certainty are best out there. Great review will stick the best saw market TS700. 25.6lbs and monster 5000 engine 6800 horse power. Them saws 6-9lbs is crazy with no where near the power makes no sense unless need constantly cut inside buildings the a big plus with no gas fumes.
Fuck ya dude, ima go out and buy that six thousand eight hundred horse power quick cut saw. My two hands can definitely handle 6800hp no prob. I'll CUT through jobs so fast, ill make so much money. :)
I thought Milwaukee would crush it. Imo the MX-fuel line is superior to anything else, because it is a big step up in battery size and voltage. That means they have the foundations to continue to produce bigger batteries with more capacity. Other brands will struggle with that because of the small battery-mounts and limited power-delivery in the terminals.
What do you gain by switching from gas to battery? The gas saw was almost as fast as the Husky saw, and the most efficient of all of them, not to mention filling the tank takes seconds vs close to an hour to recharge
No gas mixing or screw ups, no fouled gas, no faulty plugs, no pull start, or broken cords, no clogged filters, less down time to maintenance or gas issues, no fumes, and indoor cutting
@@ConcordCarpenter Less power, for everything but the Husky, more downtime for charging. Gas isn't nearly as unreliable as you are letting on, and gas is lighter weight. Indoor use 100% is an advantage, but thats the only big one.
They're not morons, blades make the biggest difference to these products in terms of run time. They want to show the best results and therefore believe their blades give them that. We've seen a difference of up to 94% in run time when using different blades on cordless concrete saws testing
@@willholt100 And we've seen time and time again that their blades don't hold up to the competition. Now their test results get to be a combination of their saw's power wrapped in whatever degree of lost effectiveness their blade presents.
@@ConcordCarpenterPersonally unless they allow full unbiased testing, I wouldn't even be posting test results if I were you. I'd find a way from viewers or local shops to lend their saw for testing instead of getting them from manufacturers
Agreed the premix is trash. The cans rust out. I just label a 2.5 gallon no spill gas jug and then buy the 2 stroke oil in the little pre-portioned bottle meant for 2.5 gallons. “Empty the bottle in the gas can and fill it with the middle of the three choices at the pump”. Pretty hard to mess that up.
DeWalt DCS962B didn't make the list here? That's bullshit. We've been using it for 5 years and it's awesome. Edit: I was mistaken.. Please feel free to put me in my place lol.
The quality of the tests are always out of the ball park here. There's a lot of time invested in those videos.
Thanks for noticing and commenting, appreciate the support
Never thought I see Hilti as the cheapest tool in a test! Very impressive efficiency, I'm guessing mostly due to the smaller blade. Would be interesting to see how the others would fare with a smaller blade, shame they didn't let you.
Best head 2 head comparisons on YT by a longshot. Hilti's warranty is also great for a cut-off tool
Right on
Another plus for husqvarna is that it pushes air through the battery while using. This prevents overheating and extends the battery cycle life. Husqvarna is the only OPE manufacturer I’ve seen doing this.
Makita pushes air through batteries whilst charging, but I'm yet to see them do it on a tool (could be wrong, though)
We run both the Hilti and the Gen 1 Milwaukee as a mason contractor. Both outperform ac powered conc saws we have been stuck using for the past decade. The Hilti is a scalpel as it's lighter and more nimble but the Milwaukee is an absolute beast and will cut anything you put in front of it but that Gen 1 is a heavy saw. Really heavy. We are getting a Gen2 with force batteries hopefully soon.
Genuinely great reivew. Thank you for spending so much time on this. It was educational.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Very pricey indeed. Great job with your head to heads , looking forward to the next one .
Excellent video. Really appreciate the time you've invested in this.
Thank you for saying that - appreciate the feedback
You guys are definitely the best out there have been watching your channel for years👍.
Appreciate that
Always love the head to heads. Top quality content as always, guys. Great work!
I am very impressed by Hilti performance. I am heavily invested in Makita 40v line, but if I ever need a concrete cutter I will go and take greenworks 82v commercial saw. It just sits in our local retailer office for around 350$ and I got plenty of batteries, and full combo with 2 8ah, charger and saw will go below 1000.(batteries are charging around 2,5 hours minimum if hot)
I'm in the market for a battery concrete cutter and found your head to head super informative. I'm going to re-watch this video before I make a decision. Thank you so much for the time and effort you guys invest.
Having used the Hilti with the water pump as well it worked amazing. Also amazingly smooth power and nice compact balance. I own the 700x gas saw and it was very comparable. We also cut out several openings toothing 2 brick windows and one door and never changed the batteries on anything. It kicked butt. We could have easily kept up with the charging if needed and not having to pull start and have the constant engine noise was great.
Hey Rob great head to head. We appreciate you guys doing these so we can make an informed purchase. Off the subject, what pants are you wearing in this video and which do you recommend for everyday work wear? Also when will be the next work wear head to head? Thanks again to you and the guys testing these.
Mascot work pants with knee pads - I did a review on them - read this: www.aconcordcarpenter.com/mascots-work-pants.html
Great video. I love using concrete saws.
I run the husqvarna’s to cut cml/c steel pipe. Anywhere from 10ga to 1/2” wall. The 770 will do the job but underpowered. The 970 is a good in between from the bigger saws. I have one from 2014 with minimal maintenance and runs good. Just make sure you blend the gas correctly and they will run forever.
Good info,thx.
Great video, i went with Hilti after watching. Only because the sales rep was cute
Great test, was waiting for this one, really exciting stuff :) they all look like really nice tools, can't go wrong with either!
Also I see that mx fuel forge batteries are out, also exciting with the tabless tech.
I don’t think I would use the other side with a smaller place because you’ll lose depth of cut
We had an early copy [Forge]
@@ConcordCarpenter that is interesting, those forge packs are super powerful and they certainly helped Milwaukee perform a bit better :)
Who would ever thought that hilti would be the value leader! 😂
Hilti and Makita are better for the compatibility with other tools alone. This is a great video though
Couldn't agree more!
Small fun fact. A gallon of gasoline has 33.6kWh of energy, so the gas tank here has 7.98kWh, or 7980wh worth of electricity before the conversion efficiency to mechanical energy. That puts the gas saw at 266wh per cut. Talk about efficiency.
But if you then look at the size and weight of a gallon of gas compared to the amount of batteries needed for 9933ah worth of 3.6v cells, combined with the fact gas is a fluid, it makes sense why gas is still preferred
Excellent review , gave me great information on what to choose even though I am in Milwaukee platform I have to consider Hilti and husqvarna
Are you ion the M18 platform? or MX Platform?
@@ConcordCarpenterI am on m18 for all my forming and Mx for my concrete demolition having a Milwaukee jackhammer
Would you be able to try and get an updated drill/hammer drill head to head going? Most of the models in your original are no longer available
Happy to see a tool win thats not Milwaukee🤣 💯👏👏👏👏👏
Thank you for this test. These still aren't comparable. I can almost buy four TS420 saws for the price of that Husqvarna.
They're good if you're somewhere you can't use gas engines but I'm never in that situation.
Hilti is known for the masonry so it's expected to be good
It's really a shame they couldn't have been tested with the same blade... It's really tough to have a proper head to head with that variable.
Yes and no. Everyone throws diff blades on these machines. I think you still get a great comparison and idea what these saws can do
are its 350 mm or up ?
Great video. Did you operate the Makita with their recommended blade? That does make a difference.
Yes, they said it
Curious why your asking that for Makita and not others?
We used the 14" Thin Kerf Diamond Blade, Segmented, General Purpose (E-16748) which is ideal for use with a battery-powered power cutter,
Apologies, I was watching the video and a football game at the same time. Missed some of the details.
I have worked for both companies, Hilti and Makita. Also, worked at White Cap, so familiar with all the brands.
Thanks for your time
Cheers buddy use certainty are best out there. Great review will stick the best saw market TS700. 25.6lbs and monster 5000 engine 6800 horse power. Them saws 6-9lbs is crazy with no where near the power makes no sense unless need constantly cut inside buildings the a big plus with no gas fumes.
Fuck ya dude, ima go out and buy that six thousand eight hundred horse power quick cut saw. My two hands can definitely handle 6800hp no prob.
I'll CUT through jobs so fast, ill make so much money. :)
@@LORFCASTER
You certainly would at £1100. Unless went up. As £2k to £4k machine that will take a age.
Im a remodeler and us the battery saws in basements fr plumbing runs - its perfect for me.
Yep no arguement there@@LORFCASTER
Great content. Thanks a lot.
Glad you liked it!
Another great one 👍
Thanks for the visit
I thought Milwaukee would crush it. Imo the MX-fuel line is superior to anything else, because it is a big step up in battery size and voltage. That means they have the foundations to continue to produce bigger batteries with more capacity. Other brands will struggle with that because of the small battery-mounts and limited power-delivery in the terminals.
What do you gain by switching from gas to battery? The gas saw was almost as fast as the Husky saw, and the most efficient of all of them, not to mention filling the tank takes seconds vs close to an hour to recharge
I'm guessing how long they last and maintenance...
@@willreidsmith1 I highly doubt that, the engine will last longer than the batteries
No gas mixing or screw ups, no fouled gas, no faulty plugs, no pull start, or broken cords, no clogged filters, less down time to maintenance or gas issues, no fumes, and indoor cutting
@@ConcordCarpenter Less power, for everything but the Husky, more downtime for charging. Gas isn't nearly as unreliable as you are letting on, and gas is lighter weight. Indoor use 100% is an advantage, but thats the only big one.
Does Dewalt make one of those?
Not that size
Not yet, I was told at World Of Concrete by one of their reps they have one coming.
Hey there babies… just a finish carpenter here, to learn some facts that are virtually useless to me lol
Welcome, anytime brother
Same here lol
Shouldve got the Greenworks 82v too 😏
Im reviewing it now - the saw is 12" and does not have the depth capacity to cut our blocks all the way thru
The GreenWorks 82 V cutter video publishing this coming Thursday
Nice can’t wait to see it 🤘
@@heavyspam1 it’s out!
Fuking awesome
Unfortunately you Carnt beat petrol for concrete saw for run time , weight and convenience
I was surprised how heavy the makita was , stick to petrol motors unfortunately for disc cutters that’s my thoughts
I got my 16 inch 82cc Makita quick saw for $100. Put a new piston in it myself for $25 and it rips.
Gas is king.
Husqvarana going t9 win i think, makita 2nd
You might be close
When Hilti is the cheapest in the bunch, you know there is something going on.
The manufacturers are morons for requiring their own blades. They're just making their tools look bad.
They're VERY protective. Two of them were reluctant to participate - guess they dont trust our testing protocols.
They're not morons, blades make the biggest difference to these products in terms of run time. They want to show the best results and therefore believe their blades give them that. We've seen a difference of up to 94% in run time when using different blades on cordless concrete saws testing
@@willholt100 And we've seen time and time again that their blades don't hold up to the competition. Now their test results get to be a combination of their saw's power wrapped in whatever degree of lost effectiveness their blade presents.
@@willholt100 what testing have you done? Can I watch is somewhere?
@@ConcordCarpenterPersonally unless they allow full unbiased testing, I wouldn't even be posting test results if I were you. I'd find a way from viewers or local shops to lend their saw for testing instead of getting them from manufacturers
What I learned from this video is that gas is still the king of this hill
100%
You guys used canned fuel in that poor Husqvarna. That stuff is absolute crap and robs small engines of power.
Herd dat
When you have a large crew - its the safest way to ensure the guys don't mess up the mix.
Agreed the premix is trash. The cans rust out. I just label a 2.5 gallon no spill gas jug and then buy the 2 stroke oil in the little pre-portioned bottle meant for 2.5 gallons. “Empty the bottle in the gas can and fill it with the middle of the three choices at the pump”. Pretty hard to mess that up.
You'd be surprised - on larger crews how guys screw up the mix
@@RiverValleyLandscaping
DeWalt DCS962B didn't make the list here? That's bullshit. We've been using it for 5 years and it's awesome.
Edit: I was mistaken.. Please feel free to put me in my place lol.
That's a 9-inch. This is a 14-inch test, but they made an exception for the Hilti 12-inch as it achieves similar depth of cut.
We tested the Dewalt along with the other 9” saws years ago.
My friend.... re-read the title
Also.... check this out: www.toolboxbuzz.com/head-to-head/best-9-inch-cordless-cut-off-saw/
@@ConcordCarpenter Yeah my bad bud. I'll keep it posted so that everyone can see me say sorry for not reading the title. Great job as always.