Running Windows 11 On 20 Year Old Hardware
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Windows 11's hardware requirements have been something of a bone of contention among PC enthusiasts, particularly as it seems to run perfectly fine on "unsupported" hardware. So I decided to take this to the extreme and install it on a 20 year old Pentium 4 system with 2GB of RAM...
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00:00 The PC, Windows 10 & Why This Works
03:24 Some Contemporary Upgrades To Make Our Lives Easier
09:43 Preparing The Installation Media, TPM & RAM Check Bypass
10:41 Windows 11 Installation On Real Vintage Pentium 4 Hardware
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29:37 What 20 Years Of Progress Looks Like - 80s / 90s vs. Today - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
2GB RAM in 2004 for a classroom PC definitely wasn’t standard!
Having 2GB RAM in 2004 PC is like having a 32GB RAM on today's PC
@@sihamhamda47 Maybe even more 😅
Absolutely! I remember that in 2005 working in Russian bank I had 1GB Pentium 4 PC. And back then it seemed to be crazy RAM amount. Even though I worked with heavy Excel tables.
@@mad_mario_ Definitely more. Most people did not have 2GB of RAM when Vista came out in 2006, and that OS sucked up ~1GB of RAM, leaving you with only 1GB of RAM left for applications. It was a disaster, especially when manufacturers were still selling laptops with 1 to 1 1/2 GB of RAM. Those machines quickly turned into stuttering messes.
I think our Schoolcare? Branded machines had 512Mb of RAM at most and that would have been around the same time.
Given we were still rocking 300Mhz PII machines running 98se for doing the registers and only one computer room had XP machines anything was an upgrade!
The Pentium 4, especially the later 64-bit ones, are like a magic number for newer software. It's the oldest you can go and still be able to run most programs and OSes from today.
They really are, it's amazing how modern they still are. I guess that's why there's no real love for them from the retro crowd.
@@ctrlaltrees You should do a low level format first.
It's that SSE2 support that most modern software NEEDS, the Pentium 4 had it first in 2000.
@doomer37 Bingo. I never realized just how much stuff needed it until I tried running newer stuff on my Pentium 3 machine.
They're also the newest you can go for some old software - I've a Pentium D machine, so a tiny bit newer, running BeOS that can also run Windows 10 (if I breach BeOS's RAM limit)
2 GB of RAM would have been an absolute shit-ton in 2004.
I have a pentium 4 system that's capable of 4GB of ram as it's designed more as desktop server than consumer or school PC. Also, these school PC's by RM are actually built better compared to few consumer grade multi-media PC's that came out during the Vista & 7 days.
my 2007 pc had only 512mb and i got it for *gaming*
Most DDR1 boards were able to take 2GB to 4GB and DDR2 boards 4GB to 8GB depending on how many slots they had. But of course normally you would have paired the P4 3.0GHz with 512MB or 1GB RAM.
And with Asus K7V and athlon 800 Mhz with 1.5Go is it possible? 😂
@@xtxo PLEASE be: 2x256MB Dual-channel...then?
“The mean-time to Clint” I like that benchmark. 😂
Honestly, if the web tech stack wasn't a bottomless pit of uncontrolled bloat, a 20+ years old computer would be perfectly usable to this day, on a slightly trimmed down OS. TH-cam's video stream would be perfectly watchable on it in 720p, if not full HD, in something like VLC, if the megabytes of Javascript and all sorts of fancy layering crap wouldn't grind it to a halt. This isn't just true for early 2000s PCs, but G4/G5 Macs, and the like. Almost all of the extra horsepower and hardware acceleration, and multiple cores in a modern system is just used up to deal with the web bloat. Almost anything that has native code (not you, Electron "apps"), works just fine. This kind of experience is pretty well known from the Raspberry Pis, as you also mention it... I'm very appalled by the modern software. The future we were promised was so much better...
Truth. Going to a typical forum, with its top, side, and bottom floating ad viewers will spin up the fans I hardly realized existed on my Mac Mini 2018, and make the back of my phone hot to the touch. Everything else, including 3D CAD and multichannel audio applications -- no problem at all.
Amen. Good luck educating the average airhead on web bloat though!
couldn't have said it better myself
@@nickwallette6201adding a Pi 3 or 4 to your router could help. I recommend PiHole for filtering Ad Trackers from my entire network.
Experienced the same issue with RPis😅. It's the same with my 20 year old laptop as well. Perfectly fast machine with only 512 megs of ram and a single core, slow internet browser.
To get around that I actually link it up with a more powerful laptop and just browse the web over remote desktop. Can watch HD videos with sound, perfectly.. order pizza, etc etc etc.
I'll say though: period-correct software from the old days makes all the difference in speed(at least - .on the old laptop)
You have a point. Progress the last 20 years is much less and more incremental then the period 80s and 90s which was revolutionary.
I like that this '04 PC is running a legit copy of win 10/11, yet people out here with multi thousand dollar PCs have the reminder to register their copy permanently emblazened in the lower right corner of their screen. 😂
Definitely the most legit way to run Microsoft's latest OSes 😅
KMSAuto is on GitHub there is no excuse for the watermark besides a skill issue/fear of disabling the game performance destroying windows defender
And? You really don't need to use a key anyway.
@@geofftottenperthcoys9944 Git 'im! 🏃♂️ 💨
if we are talking about youtubers, usually the PC's are temporary builds, best not to lock the windows key to a system thats gonna get changed 30 times over with new video card, motherboard, cpu, ram, or ssd on a constant basis
I had the Pentium D, which was the dual core variant. It required its own small power planet to run.
Oof. The Pentium D was not a very good CPU and the single core Athlon 64 CPUs were crushing it. Intel lost the crown temporarily until the Core 2 Duo.
I'm amazed AGP graphics worked on this because as far as i know MS officially dropped the AGP card support since the 2018 version of Windows 10
it's a generic VESA driver running it
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| No AGP driver for Windows 10 & 11? Tried some but with no driver no real support to help CPU...
Just get the drivers up 😅
@@Good_Luck_8619
| No AGP drivers up to Windows 8.1 in my tests...
Not sure why people worry about using "period correct" HDs. Just use an SSD and save a few hours of your life. Bonus you can see how usable a PC when it's not tied down to a HD.
Agreed. But even with an SSD, systems that old are not really usable running Windows 10 or 11. I know, I've tried it and it still was painfully slow and effectively unusable.
I agree. Even if you have a decent CPU, Windows 11 will run painfully slow on a HDD. These days SSD is simply mandatory.
You already know how it would run on an ssd, why not check how painful slow it would be on an hdd? Its not as if he's going to daily drive the thing, so make it slower just for giggles.
@@SummonerArthur As I stated previously, I've already done that.
If this PC supports SATA, it'll probably be SATA I, which is not that much faster than a HDD. And also, even with SATA III, the CPU would still not perform enough to use all of it's theoretical speeds.
RM!! My primary school had these absolutely everywhere, what a flashback 😄
My high school had probably one of the earliest: RM 380Z: (blue & white case) 16K, cassette tape BASIC ... upgraded 1 year later [1978] to 380Z 48K dual 5.25 SS-SD floppies : 72K per disc :)
OH MY, I never realized the "Tamiya" wrench fit PC parts. As a life long RC car and PC builder guy I cannot believe this never occured to me before! You learn something every day. Great video as always.
Yeah. 30 years and Today I Learned
I always used one for this! I figured it was better known.
Back in the early 90s, I was a student but also earned money as a computer tech at university. I had to install MS-DOS and Windows 3.X on new RM 286 and then later 386 and 486 machines using floppy disks. The RM machines were extremely well built and quite heavy - they used thick gauge steel. I also remember the early RM Nimbus 386 laptops with mono screens which were super-expensive and the preserve of senior academic staff.
All Pentium 4 CPUs are based on the NetBurst microarchitecture. The Pentium 4 Willamette (180 nm) introduced SSE2, while the Prescott (90 nm) introduced SSE3 and later 64-bit technology. Later versions introduced Hyper-Threading Technology (HTT).
The first Pentium 4-branded processor to implement 64-bit was the Prescott (90 nm) (February 2004), but this feature was not enabled. Intel subsequently began selling 64-bit Pentium 4s using the "E0" revision of the Prescotts, being sold on the OEM market as the Pentium 4, model F. The E0 revision also adds eXecute Disable (XD) (Intel's name for the NX bit) to Intel 64. Intel's official launch of Intel 64 (under the name EM64T at that time) in mainstream desktop processors was the N0 stepping Prescott-2M.
Intel also marketed a version of their low-end Celeron processors based on the NetBurst microarchitecture (often referred to as Celeron 4), and a high-end derivative, Xeon, intended for multi-socket servers and workstations. In 2005, the Pentium 4 was complemented by the dual-core-brands Pentium D and Pentium Extreme Edition.
There is a windows vista driver for the radeon 9600 you can install that one by extracting the package and then installing the driver through device manager
Thank you Rees, I really enjoyed this one - I have the 3.4Ghz variant of this as part of my collection that was running Windows 10 at one point (albeit in a later motherboard with 4 gigabytes of ram) and was suprised at how well it was doing! 😊
Top video Rees, was surprised a machine that old was able to run Windows 11! I'm a fan of longer videos, so please don't apologise.
That comparison you made with the 5150 truly is amazing. Loved the video, Rees!
Brilliant. I have upgraded 3 older PCs to Windows 11 using this method and very easy it was too. Now just waiting for 24H2 to see how if they impose any restrictions
24H2 is a Problem. MS make a hard Cut for old CPU's. SSE4.2 is Minimum. With First Gen Intel i-Serie you are save.
I still use my 2010 two cores Toshiba notebook for watching TH-cam and online movies in my summer country house. But it runs not Win11 off course :) Linux mint actually. In 2020 changed HDD for SSD and added RAM up to 4GB. Works just perfectly and very responsive. Thanks 4 brilliant videos. Looking forward for new ones! Good luck!
You might be able to get the GPU driver working if you force install it, aka manually install it. For example create a Driver folder in C: paste the driver files and manually select the driver file through device manager. It does work a lot of time and I've had to do this many times before
It wont work as many pre-2006 intel chipsets as well as most AGP graphics cards will not work in anything newer than Windows 7 32-Bit as that is the last version that supports the old XPDM driver model, the display driver standard used in Windows XP. Vista 64-Bit and windows 8 32-bit or newer do not support these, so you are stuck with the microsoft basic display adapter driver.
Did you try to install the radeon 9000 driver ? It should improve performance as the generic driver uses the cpu for rendering.
a usb sound card is an option for sound on it
Oh, good call! I hadn't considered that. 😁
@@ctrlaltrees Also quite a bunch of PCI sound cards will work, like even the ones starting at price of £ 9 or a bit more, being based on CMI (C-Media) / HT 8738 chip (up to 4 audio channels, 24 bit 44.1 kHz), for example, newly-built or second-hand.
Great idea, like this very much! Also, when put next to the very old IBM, I started to actually like the mix of beige PC and black 5.25" drive (even if a optical one in this case😂). Totally forgot that this was pretty much the norm back in the days, even on CBM stuff. Don't remember when I started feeling that was an odd look on PCs and had to have beige drives on beige PCs or black drive on black PCs. Hm. Well, just a note on the side 😅 Cheers!
Interesting video and kudos for all the effort you put on it. I have an intel quad Q9550 socket 775 running very well Windows 10 LTS (youtube 720p very smooth). So on 10 years older hardware. Back in the day, even on the first Pentiums, you could NOT run WindowsXP (the 10 years gap). Indeed, the progress was bigger, faster until year 2000. It is sad.
I have Windows 10 on a Q9650, SSD, 8 GB DDR3 RAM, it's actually surprisingly usable & decent for older light gaming. Everyday tasks are feel as fast as my 9700k
Huh, I thought I'd read somewhere that the current version of Windows 11 requires at least a core-i-whatever CPU, dropping support for the Core-2 -Duo for example; guess that was wrong! Congrats on getting this to work!
An SSD would probably be a big help, especially with the swapping, as you said. On one of those old premium systems with 4GB of RAM it might not be bad.
Someone told me Win 11 24h2 will require a 8th gen core-i. The older versions you can modify by Rufus ore something equal to run in older hardware.
@@jensputzlocher8345 Ah, yeah; I was thinking of the FIRST incompatibility 24h2 will include, the "PopCnt" instruction, which excludes core2duos. Now there's a new requirement they added for SSE 4.2; sounds like that was introduced with the i7. Found this on tomshardware; I'd link articles, but TH-cam always deletes my comments when I do that :(
Be curious to see that happens with this PC when Windows Update tries to force that update on it later this year.
Currently you can still patch these limitations out with Media creation tools like Rufus, when you make the install stick for W11.
@@catriona_drummond Yes, thanks to Rufus you can modify Win 11 23H2 to boot on an Core2Duo from 2007, but Win 11 24H2 will require the SSE4.2 instruction set (?) - this will require a Intel 8th gen core CPU or equal.
Interesting and neat video Rees!
Our school was full of Core 2 era RM computers until about 2018, and they fully upgraded all of them to Windows 10 and then replaced them by 2022. Had a similar computer in the DT block to this, absolutely ancient, for years - the oldest one in the school. If this computer was made before September 2004, it's older than I am.
Yeah, had similar issue running windows 10 even with a 600 series pentium 4 with 64 bit support (670). processor not only needs 64bit support but also lahf/sahf support which was introduced with the cedar mill pentium 4 models. It was interesting seeing windows 10/11 running on 8gb ddr2 800mhz, a gtx 1070, and a pentium 4 651 overclocked to roughly 4.2ghz and a 128gb sata ssd, gonna be doing some more testing on it to see how various software runs on it.
Damn. If this can run windows 11 THAT WELL, then I wonder how many such low end systems from like, 2007 and later can... Like this will likely save loads of e-waste getting dumped as we find a way to run such modern OSes on these!
U surely pushed the limits here further ! I made a Toshiba laptop with c2d t6600 4gb ddr2 ram 800mhz +ssd run win11 Intel gma gfx 256mb but this is x treme 🤩
'Mean time to Clint' - didn't realize this was a benchmark. 🤣🤣🤣
I Love This 20 Year Old Computer Hardware With Windows 11!
That stock cooler is better than current intel coolers
This reminds me of the Pentium 4 PC I got my hands on some years back that was an office PC at my aunt's job, that got shelved in 2005-2006 for being slow, with each new Windows it was brought out, updated to the latest, then thrown back in for being slower and slower. I put W10 on it, it was horrible, now it's used as a storage PC by a friend who removed that pile of rust from my house, he put some Linux on it(Lite, or Puppy, I don't know) and it runs 24/7 keeping up a few SSHDs and SSDs up with IDE-SATA adapters, it's cursed.
Seeing how far the system requirements of Windows has come is really nice, it showcases why putting stricter limitations on hardware for Win11 isn't as bad as it was first cried out to be.
Funnily enough I just became the owner of a machine with the same motherboard in it.
Installing W11 wasn't the OS on it is something I have thought of. VIA boards are a good choice for Windows XP and also 98. It's fascinating just how far you can go into the past or the future. x86 hardware is the very definition of versatility. Someone could install an old OS plus W11 on different drives and have a dual use retro + modern experience on the same machine. The latter isn't great of course. But you have shown it works 👍
Those videos give me the power to learn more about computers ❤
I used that exact monitor as one of my side monitors for the past 2 years. Overclocked it to almost 100hz, but idk how much of that I was getting over VGA, LOL. I just sold it with a budget build recently, to afford my ultrawide. You wouldn't think it was useful because of the size, but it was perfect for either watching a TH-cam video or to keep Spotify open etc. It also was where I relegated all of my desktop icons and folders too, lol. Kept my Desktop looking tidy.
Nice to see you got some use out of that hard drive
What a flashback. Those machines were everywhere.
The most important question though, did you apply the perfect amount of thermal paste. First the hand blocking the view and then the cooler doing the same, it felt deliberate :)
I know what you mean about the rate of progress. I remember the 90s when it was hard to go a whole year without having to upgrade something. But my current desktop PC is one I built in 2012 with a 3rd gen Core i7 CPU and it's still in daily use doing software development, CAD and office tasks under Windows 10 and it definitely doesn't feel old even though it is 12 years old. I gave it an SSD and better graphics card about 4 years ago but that's all that's been done to it.
I modified the cooler that is in your pc to fit any socket by filing out the holes, i took the plastic pins off, i filed it down, and it can now fit my socket 1700 :p and it keeps my i5 10400f at 35 degrees celcius, which is nuts :p and i love what you are doing, i try stuff like this as well.
geez. i remember my school computer room having a network of RM Nimbus machines installed in the late 80s.
My registration class was in the computer room, so i got to play around with them more than most. I still remember finding a hidden teacher's drive with a copy of doom and documents about exam papers (there was no sort of security. Everything was just plain text and pretty much just there for viewing. Got in to trouble though. Registration teacher said I was a hacker. There were about 20 of these huge machines. I dont recall any stats about them, although I do remember a mate configuring a bios password for one of them and thinking he was kevin mitnick
A cheep USB sound card would probebly be the easiest way to get some sound out of it. You could even wire it internally if the mood took you.
My main desktop PC (I use my new Notebook most of the time though since 3 years) still is a Pentium Core2 Quad Q6600 (also LGA775) I bought in 2007. I've replaced the main HDD with an SSD few years ago, but besides this, it happily runs Windows 10 and works perfectly fine for me. I won't upgrade to Windows 11 though. I'm still stunned it works so good. It ran for hours every day from 2007 to 2020 and I used it a lot for video recodring/encoding, software development (web, embedded), running VMs (until VMware decided to require a CPU instruction it doesn't support).
no way man are you a fan of stepmom too? just saw them for the second time not too long ago! i was so confused when i saw them pop up in your youtube feed lol i thought it was my feed
I'm impressed that 11 worked at all, should see if there is a upgrade for my dad's old P4 PGA system.
Back in my day (late 80s), we used RM PC186s at school. Some former pupil had burned down the school hall and when they rebuilt, we got a shiny new networked computer lab where I ended up spending 100% of my time rather than going to lessons. 😂
I want to say though, the most interesting thing about these RM machines is probably the software, so I think you should revert yours back to stock after your experiments!
BTW, almost everyone uses the web versions of MS Office now rather than the stand alone apps as it makes collaboration a bit easier.
Thanks Rees, and to Dave Velociraptor for pointing me here on a twitter post. Apart from just being fun, this video is also relevant to me as I have a hp laptop that's a 2017 model 7th gen i5, that's works brilliantly. And yet I get that tpm message when trying to update to Windows 11. The computer is great and I dont want to have to replace it, so good to see there are workarounds to this.
There are a few things you can do to improve your experience with Windows 11 on that old machine. One of them being is changing your visual appearance settings to "adjust for best performance", as well as looking into community made drivers that support Windows 10 and 11 for those AGP cards
Very impressive how this 2004 computer could run Windows 11 without any significant issues if used for basic tasks.
8:01 that was smooth
the level of backwards compatability that windows has can be quite amazing - even 30+ year old printers will work on it etc
I have never even seen that "Setup is starting" screen. Any pc i install just moves on instantly from the screen before it to the one coming after it.
I was in primary school in the mid-80s, and we had an RM Nimbus 186! There was no internal storage. Everything ran from floppy disk. There was also a BBC Micro. We used to play Repton on it! And yes, I played the original Doom when it released
I've got millions of those Tamiya spanners. Never thought to use it like that!
I swear, these school PC's are built better compared to office PC's & consumer grade multi-media PC's that came out during the Vista & 7 days and the case has decent arflow too!.
I remember seeing those in class when they were new. They were much faster than the 2001 RM machines that we had in other rooms at the time!
Microsoft did like their "claiming a thing is needed before we actually start using it" cycles... I remember copying Windows XP DLLs to my WIndows 2000 system so games would run, got a good 6 months or so extra out of it before they finally started needing features that only existed in the XP kernel.
8GB hard drive in 2004 is getting on for those cameras which still came with 32MB Compact Flash cards in the package at a point where anything less than 512MB was "you're paying more for the plastic enclosure than the chips in it"!
Interesting to see this old hardware running Zthe latest windows. It would be quite interesting to see a version of Linux running on it. Something like XUbuntu or Kinux mint would be a decent fit, and might even have working sound and graphics drivers
I was going to mention the same thing about id like to see what it was like running Linux. I have a no name beige box PC which has lower specs than the RM (2.8ghz Pentium D, 1GB RAM 40GB IDE HDD and integrated graphics and that runs AntiX linux at a usable speed.
Also if you try installing the H264ify extension for the browser then the TH-cam experience might be a bit better as by default YT likes to use VP9 codec for videos so the extension forced H264 codec.
If you did want to try going ham with as many upgrades as possible for this it's worth mentioning that PCI is technically forwards compatible with PCI Express if you use an adapter with a bridge chip. The bridge chips were designed for using PCI cards on PCI Express but the chips are bidirectional so reverse adapters do exist. You could put a modern GPU in it.
LOL - Mean time to Clint - brilliant!
re: the IBM 5150 vs. the P4: now hold up one of the new generation mini PC`s, and not only compare how much things have miniaturized but also show graphs featuring benchmarks and pricing. That`s kind of the mind-blowing thing. My first Wintel machine was a 286 with 2Mb memory, 9" monochrome VGA monitor and a 20Mb hard drive worth about $1500 in 1990 dollars. My current rig is a Lenovo Ryzen SFF machine with 16Gb and 2Tb SSD, hooked up to a 22" Viewsonic OLED display. The machine itself is about the size of a USB DVD-ROM and cost me about $300. That price:performance ratio is pretty amazing to me!
yeah we had RM Nimbus computers at my school but that was 1994-1996, i remember playing Simcity on one of the computers back in the day during lunch times, as at one point the computer room was also our form room.
My advice with those stock cooler 775 is to take it out of chasis and then plug the cooler so you see if the white lid made contact then you can press the black ones without breaking it. In the case of broking there are replacements but also you can use parts from broken zip tires the plastic is the same and same wide.
You've given me hope that my old Core2Duo machines might have life left in them, at least with a hefty dose of de-bloat.
Does this computer have a PCI Express slot? Microsoft removed support for AGP graphics cards starting with Windows 10 v1607...
I had no idea about this and your comment got me thinking so I decided to do a quick Google. Seems the card must be running in PCI mode. TIL!
@@ctrlaltrees Probably because Windows doesn't know anymore what AGP is. You can try either Windows 10 v1511 (which is long unsupported) or LTSB 2015 (based on the original v1507 release, still supported until 2025).
was about to say this
Poor 20+ old computer. "Y U do dis to me?"
Also, poor old Matt's vintage internet collection. All those crunchy skin pix-n-flix, gone for good...
socket 775 systems are probably the oldest platform that still commonly sold here where I live (SE Asia regioin), slightly overkill for legacy software but adequate for modern ones. once everything else, graphics, storage, memory was beefed up to the best the chipset/motherboard can handle.
Core 2-based systems are the most common though, but I doubt unless it's Celeron D, I don't really think Prescott Pentium 4s would be that slow in single-thread tasks either.
also that big hunk of stock Intel heatsink is still a treat to see. mine from the Wolfdale Celeron is much smaller.. and louder. and I tend to snap the clip, which ended up being annoying enough for me to scavenged some OEM machines for screw mounted coolers.
I remember in 2016 i was in a basic IT class and one of our labs was installing windows 10 on multiple machines. Some newer than others. Most older and still running XP. Some of us finished in an hour. Others about 2-3
When 11 came out I played around with getting it running on an old Dell. I put a Core 2 Quad in it and it was quite usable.
That a RM F Series from 2003 that was the replacement to the RM C Series from the 1997.
I have the same processor in both my towers. Pentium 4 HT 3ghz Prescott. Still a great option even for today
im using tiny10 on my old sony viao 2008 which originaly came with vista.... over the years i had xp and win 7 running on it. then 2014 i bought a new laptop and kind of forgot about the sony viao. this year there is lots of videos on youtube about reviving old pc. Since its a 32bit unit 2gb ram and 2 partitions of 128g.. i had only 1 windoows option and that was tiny10 or a dozen linux distros. So i installed tiny10 and was blown away that its actually works ad pretty fast browser with edge working really well...i even install bodhi linux OS on the second partition, i installed a VM and Rrun Bunsenlabs OS. All works perfectly wirhout reeplacing any hardware...i havent touch my 2022 windows 11 hp laptop...for a while. Those linux distros are insane
I really love this video, it is interesting to se a Pentium 4 even boot Windows 11 setup, you would expect it to crash right away at start up but nope.. anyway, I was going to like the video and subscribe until I seen you use a MacBook.. I cannot support Mac users.
With Rufus I plug the drive from the machine I want to install on into one of those USB adapters. I then tell Rufus I want to make a "Windows to go" version and tell it to write to the USB drive. After it gets done I remove the drive from the USB adapter and install it back in the machine. It bypasses the "boot from USB, install, reboot, and finish install" steps and goes straight to "...and finish the install". You can take advantage of Rufus doing the install part on a faster machine and save time.
When your goods are 3 and a half inches floppy! 👌🏼
1:50 man old hardware and new software is such a curse
It is amazing you are able to run Windows 11 on your CPU: Pentium 4 HT 641/SL94X (B1) | 3.2 GHz | 86 W | Socket LGA 775 | January 5, 2006
I have a CPU that is almost as old as yours: Athlon 64 X2 3800+ | 2.0 GHz | 65 Watts | Socket AM2 | May 23, 2006
The oldest motherboard I have for this is an ASUS M4N82 Deluxe which is 15 years old. I wonder if I could run Windows 11 on it with my old CPU?
BTW, I do have a couple older motherboards which are 20 years old but they are AMD Socket A which doesn't support any CPU that will even run Windows 10 32-bit. One does run Windows 7 32-bit but the updates are limited because the Socket A CPUs don't even support SSE2. That is because Windows 7 updates starting in 2019 crashed because they assumed SSE2 support in the CPU.
You could try something like a western digital raptor hard drive. WAY faster than what is in there, but it is more period appropriate than a SSD.
for my old pc's i bought a usb soundblaster, works fine really
Good grief those and the original Stone SFF Celeron things were my muse in Primary school, i collect school laptops from yesteryear, among the likes of Novatech, RM, Stone and Viglen.
The IBM 5150 only supported up to 256K as standard, I think. As for the Pentium 4 experience, I only upgraded from a P4 system back in 2020, one with 1GB of RAM and running Debian. Where it started to struggle most was in dealing with the perpetual escalation of Web technologies, Web site and browser bloat. Also, the Intel 865G integrated graphics were from an era where hardware support for video was probably exotic and largely absent from Intel's portfolio, so videoconferencing services were practically unusable.
Having more recently upgraded a different, 64-bit, system of about a decade or so in age, there is a lot to be said for using an SSD instead of a hard drive, this making Linux distributions boot quite a bit faster if one finds that they are taking rather long to start up. Adding memory can also be very helpful if it seems that there is little to spare under normal use. That was an option I should have investigated with the P4 system: taking it to 2GB would have been beneficial, and there will have been a point when the RAM would have been cheap to acquire, too.
I did discover the whole 64-bit Prescott phenomenon at one point and wondered if my own system had some latent 64-bit capability, but I think that it was just a little too early. Obviously, 2GB was the practical limit for many 32-bit systems, and the shift to x86-64 left various larger memory options unexplored for the x86 architecture, even if PAE support was implemented in many places. Had I timed that purchase better, I guess I would have gone for an Athlon 64 system instead of a P4 one.
A CMI 8738 would be a period correct sound card that should have Win11 compatibility (albeit with older Win7/8 drivers), or you can just use a generic USB audio device if you don't want to faff.
Regarding graphics, Windows 10+ use a built in rendering engine called 'WARP' which offers software based 3D rendering, so in theory anything requiring 3D acceleration can run - even some modern games.
I'm sure you could squeeze some Vista based compatible graphics drivers on there. I got Win11 on an old Dell Precision M90 using most of the Vista/7 era drivers.
Well, I might just set up an old Pentium 4 I have laying around... my family could use a gaming PC! For running Sega Saturn, Genesis, and NES games... probably on Debian or Mint. It's nice to know that my plan B should in theory work.
How did you get around needing the TPM 2.0 module? Or does this old motherboard have it? You can use Open Office for free. A fully MS Office Suite compatible software to do everything you can do from MS Office Suite. Open Office reads and writes their files, plus has its own file extensions.
It's honestly surprising that the Pentium 4 can still run Windows 11. Initially, I thought the cut off point was either Windows 8 or Windows 10, but it seems that I stand corrected.
Windows 10Pro runs fine on my 2007 Dell D630 notebook. Not yet 20 years old but it will be soon enough. The most difficult part was getting it to boot and run the Windows 10 installer. Easy after that. The notebook usually runs Mint these days but switching to Windows 10 is a matter of swapping the SSD for a second one. On the D630, this is barely more difficult than swapping SD cards.
I have brand new 16 core AMD motherboards and I tried installing Windows 10 and 11 and the computer just freezes or turns off.
I was told there is a power management setting in the BIOS that causes problems for Windows 10 and 11.
I don't know what setting it is, c-State I think is what they said
I can't find the setting
I put Windows 7 on and it runs great
I think that MB is upgradable to at least 8GB, should help a lot to a system like this.
Why did you not open task manager? I wanted to see the specs.
You may improve performance of the older Intel processors by turning off "enhanced halt state" - also known as "C1E". You can do this in the BIOS settings (if the setting is available), then save and exit the BIOS. It's just a power saving feature.
Where did you get those shelves from in the background? They're just what I'm looking for. 🙂
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would it be possible to run win11 on an athlon 64?
We had these at my highschool, this model and an older model designed for windows 98 but running XP, those had 192mb ram and were very slow!
yeah its annoying that it defaults to bing, google maybe old but its still the best, thanks for the labyrinth mouse mat 😁
It may be possible to configure sound to come through the DVI. To test that, I think I'd get two adapters, one from DVI to HDMI, and one from HDMI to audio + VGA. The software may actually see HDMI when you do that. It may be easier to first play around with this from Linux with pulseaudio, or the Audio adjustments. Or Windows 11 may see this and do it easy as pie.
By all means, do try an SSD with your SATA, a cheap 128GB one. The earliest vintage for that was 2009, but you'll be bouncing around with all the extra space. Or, closest to period correct would be 64GB for 2008. Get the cheapest Chinese made up name one you can, for you want the slow performance of that era. Make sure you have a good size swap file, at least equal to the 2GB memory. On a lark you could try popping in a 4GB memory stick (1 slot? if two, two 2GB memory sticks) to see if it is seen. With that newer processor, it could be. A tad of modernization is expected over the years of a durable item anyhow.
Much of the extra hard drive space that Win11 wants was for the sake of the now-default-disabled Copilot Recall spyware, which would remember all you did but unfortunately also leave it on your machine for a hacker to get at. The debloat has doubtless doubly mooted that.
There may be enough room with the 128GB SSD to arrange a dual boot with a smartly modern Linux like Ubuntu Noble Numbat. Again don't forget the swapfile size.
Apologies in advance if I have anything majorly wrong here. I've been working a lot with refurb machines lately due to teeny tiny budget.
Yeah I can do it too it’s all good!
I want to ask, I have a laptop that is actually compatible to update to Windows 11. But if I update it, is it better to update directly via Windows Update, or just reinstall Windows to update it to Windows 11?
My specs:
• AMD Athlon Silver 3050u 2.30GHz
• 8GB RAM (Dual Channel)
• Radeon Graphics/Integrated
• 2GB VRAM
• 512GB SSD