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A banlist won't solve the main issue of Konami constantly printing generic 1 card starter engines and generic extra deck monsters that act as more extension or interruption.
The key phrases are "generic" and "interruption"
If Snake-Eyes couldn't go into anything strong, then it would have a weakness, and would have to rely on hand-traps, which is definitely an issue in itself, but I think something like Apoloussa still being legal is insane.
Imo the best solution is just ban flamberge. Card is too degenerate. Obviously this would almost kill the deck on the spot, but the ability to resurrect 2 bodies + reborn an IP for free + being level 8 for rank 8 plays with the diabell snake eye is just too insane.
Flamberge is the sole reason why this deck have AN INSANE follow up play, can end on multiples interaction board.
Nah, the correct hit is Original, it's too free and too generic, without it we don't have every deck jamming a Snake-Eye engine and pure is still playable while being stoppable outside of drawing 3 handtraps
@@shiftyshitter348 yh and bonfire won't be another extender anymore if you imperm ash for example, because poplar can only really search the fieldspell.
@@shiftyshitter348Ah yes, hurt decks like Fire King and Infernoid cuz Snake Eye is designed like shit.
Ban Flamberge
@@BlackBeartic229 Idc find a more interesting way to get to your starters than jamming 3x witch 3x wanted 1x OSS into every deck that has a lvl 1 fire in it
@@ryanhall5360 Or maybe you can use your head and realize OSS ban does nothing but hurt fire decks not named Snake Eyes. If you are whining about a small OSS package as an engine that's a skill issue.
Snake Eyes is the issue, and Flamberge is the problem. If you actually want Snake Eyes hit that's the ban
Everyone: KONAMI ITS BEEN YEARS SINCE REAL PYRO SUPPORT MAKE SOME ALREADY
Konami: I took that personally.
@@JuniperVT I just want Beaver Warriors support, because I support my kind
Now its time of reptile that have send to gy effect xD
@@FidoriaSky More Ogdoatic or whatever you call it support would be awesome. Deck has potential
@@dearjohn795 Beaver Warrior archetype would be clutch
🤣🤣🤣🤣 introducing tier 0 for the next 9 months. Ya love to hate to see it
Not banning Flamberge is like not banning Kitkalos.
not enough
Disagree Gambling is life
Kitkallos can come back to 1
No it can't lol@@robertfox960
@@aster-0133 they can no longer end on I:P in s/T zone. And not having the bodies post Princess cuts them off there. It’s really the only hit that will matter
Moon link 2 got confirmed today for the set
sauce? literally doesnt have it updated on the card list for the tcg set for infinite forbidden as far as im seeing
@@Xelxa93 on ygorgzation it talks about more reveals
It’s on ygorgzation
Just check yuioh tcg eu @xelxa93
@@Xelxa93was confirmed on twitter apparently
I’ve been saying this for a while: the ban should be flameberge. It’s essentially a block dragon type card for fire
Closed World just got announced for INFO RIP
She likely won't get hit any time soon.
Wait what does that card do? It just seems like an okay-ish going 2nd option
Gee can't wait for a ban list to allievate us from this tier zero format so we can get ~3-4 months of "good ygo" before the next tier zero format. Rinse and repeat the past 10 years.
We’re going into an objectively far worse format now that the moon link 2 has been confirmed
Already looking to be there, Fiendsmith is going to splashed literally everywhere, and it is going to be stupidly expensive to boot. Really it's the pricing that really puts me off these formats more than the length. Just when you thought Tear was a bad as it would get, Snake-Eyes literally doubled the price of getting the only viable deck competitively. Fiendsmith is going to do the same, except on a much larger scale, and while it may not be a one deck format (unless Snake-Eye is left unabashed AGAIN), it will price a significant number of people out of the game who want to be competitive. (Thankfully, I live in the UK/EU, and Konami doesn't seem to want us to compete anyway, so fuck 'em. I won't be buying Fiendsmith, because apparently, there's nothing asides Locals for me to use it on.)
The price barrier of entry is the main reason why playing in the TCG has been so bad, though the back to back Tier 0 formats also hurts a lot, and the way the game is being played in our current Tier 0 format, is really not much fun. Either you have a bunch of hand traps ready to pick apart your opponents plays, or you have nothing and they make a board that's completely unassailable and you realise that you've already lost. Really the only fix is to have Konami stop being so fucking greedy with "staples" and "essential cards", but that's not going to happen, because it would've done so by now. If anything, we're worse off, because we've not a Structure Deck in nearly a year now (which is how normally we get very accessible reprints of popular/essential cards). It's a real shame and really the game is very much being carried by the players. The fact there's seemingly a lot of people playing in spite all the current flaws, is the only reason this game hasn't been taken around the back and shot. If more people in my area played ANY other TCG at even similar numbers to YGO, I wouldn't be playing it, plain and simple. There are many more TCGs that respect your time and money far more, but as many have stated, nothing plays quite like YGO. But we're beginning to question if that's really a good thing or not.
No, we have only had 2 Tier 0 Formats lately. It is just that they are so close together. The one we had before Tear was all the way back in SPYRAL Format.
No right now is Tier 0. Or is that 80+% of Indianapolis being SE not count all of a sudden?
@@orga7777 Adamancipators say hello people forget that was a tier 0 format because covid meant no tournaments
Ban whatever you want, we're going to have this same conversation in six months. Power creep is out of hand, and Konami is constantly dumping gas on the bonfire.
Every deck needs ~10-12 cards for hand traps at bare minimum. That should be a red flag off the bat. Then you need ~6-9 board breakers or control interactions depending on if you're going first or second. Almost half the deck is exclusively non-engine. In order to push new cards, Konami has decided that every new archetype has to be hyper consistent and able to play through hand traps. So we get main deck normal summons that can search, extend, and generate advantage, and engines designed to dodge interactions. This puts more emphasis on having more hand traps/ board breakers. The cycle will only get more vicious.
We need to get a new format and get rid of the toxins driving this nosedive. Ban the modern hand traps, ban the board breakers, and ban generic extradeck monsters that can negate. Then start banning and limiting the cards that drove us to needing hand traps and board breakers.
I know that's asking for a lot, but it's effectively what Konami was trying for with speed duels. They are playing with different games/modes because they realize that Yu-Gi-Oh as is has too many chronic problems to easily repair. Massive ban waves are why people enjoy event festivals on MD, and why Edison and GOAT are popular.
We know, even with MD, Yu-Gi-Oh has a HUGE problem getting and retaining new players. Every year, current players drop out from Tier 0 fatigue, lack of funding, and general disappointment in the game. You can't shoulder losses indefinitely and run a successful business. Something is going to break, and there won't be a way to fix it in time.
its not powercreep cards will get used and peeps will get upset the game is ever moving so the list has to move too, there are formats you can play edison, goat whatever make your own if you want too. tier 0 is tier 0 they been doing this dumb crap since zoo you have to find out what the tier 0 is weak too and counter it snek is just too strong every card feels like the 3 card effect rule. lets say snek gets beaten to death thats fine fiendsmith will pop up and everyone will be mad then, if apo gets banned then everyone will move to sp and ip then they will get banned and maybe pople will go back to rusty or something else like i said the game is ever moving we just gotta trim the hit so these speed bumps we hit we dont end up crashing into a wall
@@troytheboy1985 "It's not power creep"... "Snake is just too strong" My guy I'm not sure you understand what the term means. The POWER of cards/decks has been CREEPing up over time. Like you said they've been doing this since Zoodiac (I'd argue before then but the start is irrelevant), and there's no signs of slowing down. Konami's only idea for moving the game forward is to make older decks completely irrelevant by pushing new cards that are so much more powerful than the last set that the latest tier 0 will overrun the previous one. They want people to buy the new cards, so they make sure the newest cards are the only ones that are competitively viable by cranking up the power each release.
Virtual World, Eldlich, Herald-Drytron, Tri-Briggade, Despia, Traptrix, Prank Kids, Sword Soul, the list of decks that were hyper dominant less than five years ago and have been replaced by objectively better decks is ever growing. Some of those didn't even get hit on the ban list and still got completely replaced within a year of their release.
The game should absolutely evolve, but there has to be some lateral movement, not just accelerator pinned to the floor screaming ahead as fast as possible. Something a year from now is going to make Snake Eye look as irrelevant as pure Kashtira is now. In two years Snake Eye will look like today's Sword Soul. Give it three years and SE will be slumming it with like today's Virtual World. At what point does the power of the latest deck get the game moving forward so fast it just directly slams into the wall without a chance to correct course? Limiting cards before they're released is not the sign of a healthy game, nor is releasing cards that SHOULD be limited, but deciding not to until after Konami has squeezed out every penny from the set.
The game broke ten miles back. We're blasting the radio and flooring the gas pedal hoping everything just keeps working.
@@maxmanramfanit doesnt matter cause like i said something gets banned something else pops up then in a years or two or three idiots say oh yeah bring that broken card back thats how we get skill drain at 3 cause people dont think
It's refreshing seeing other people understanding the situaction deeply. The point is that Konami doesnt really care. Standard Yugioh is just a piece of product with an expiration date and Konami knows this for years now. Just trying to milk as much money as possible from the addicts, before the product eventually come to its inevitable end
Thats exactly what is needed to be done , handtraps and ridiculouss strong board breakers is hard bs but was needed to begin with to even let you play the game and thats because ridiculouss strong boards. So yeah they need to overhaul this whole bs not ht/bb and not shit that requires them in order to play. Its a hard task and konami has ultimately dropping generic op cards in high rarity to sell products but baronne and savage being dead i guess theres still hope but it need to start rn not releasing more of it
I'd rather other decks have a reason to use witch than be forced to consider "but wait maybe I could just play jet synchron" or "i could play ash". Did you know witch has a second way of special summoning herself? Or that other sinful spoil cards exist outside of original, or the other sinful spoils cards assist witch by herself like silvera? Like, imagine if the best use for witch was chimera fusion for guardian chimera, cl1 guardian chimera cl2 witch send guardian chimera. Hell, people complain about the draw effect of wanted when that's only a problem because original sinful spoil is an overtuned normal spell that can be activated immediately as opposed to silvera, rciela, cycle etc.. AND it cuts off both extenders and starters for snake eyes. Like, it IS the perfect hit for the deck
Players complain about the game/format & products but do nothing about it. Complaining only gets you so far. Let them know how you feel by hitting their bottom dollar. Boycott products & get a movement going & they WILL make changes.
If the game is this bad, then dont give in to FOMO & stop buying the products. Its so simple to get changes, literally just save your money.
I saw this below, but wanted to put in my own comment: Ban Flamberge. 6 bodies + removal + future set-up is way too much for one card to do. Let the deck keep its consistency and other plays with Princess, let the deck be more like a puzzle to play around rather than the free overwhelming presence it currently has. If it still turns out to be too much once Flamberge is gone, then other hits may be needed, but Block Dragon on a mixture of crack, cocaine, and speed is way too much.
One of the issues with Konami is that instead of listening to the community to improve the game so more people would get introduced into it and make it better, they are more interested in trying to make a profit and pushing certain card and putting the game in a bad state to where they're actually losing money and potential new players. As for the banlist, there is no good answer without some people making an uproar. Personally I would target the troublesome cards as a whole and not a certain cards to make them unplayable. Whats probably going to happen is that top decks won't be targeted or have a minor card restricted instead of a ban. There's alot of good candidates to be removed from it entirely (possibly with a errata), some to be put on limited and semi-limited and some to be banned all together. Konami just needs to do a better job on this.
Why would they change if the player base is cuck mentality and won’t stop playing no matter what they do. Hell EU is still playing even tho they don’t get YCS anymore.
They're just gonna consistency hit the deck to boost Fiendsmith sales.
@@colossaldonut5190 Exactly, then they're going to hit them in the future for another deck. Its a cycle they use to make sales. its just a problem on repeat.
@@masterflamewing234 Most people don't know what to do. So they just go through it hoping it gets better, some people just quit and some people take a break probably until the banlist is released to see if the issues are resolved.
If Konami was actually losing money they would adjust, problem is they aren’t. Discussing problems is great, but there’s likely never going to be enough pressure on Konami from the player base
without princess you lose the disgusting zealantis line too
yeah this line has to die one day for sure
TBH Zealantis might be the pick because Konami will want to cash in on Princess. Zealantis has been one of those cards where whenever it shows up, something unfair is happening. The only uses it's has IIRC is getting Raging Phoenix live and letting Marincess get rid of your field.
Yeah they’d ban zealantis if anything in my opinion because princess is too new and it would hurt other decks that aren’t snake eye as well and they don’t wanna do that
@@billypaukovits6064to be fair all decks it would hurt are absolutely miserable to play against
Princess is only as good as the best fire deck. Card is fine.
Watch Jeff pop off with the exodia support lol
Honestly the TCG just need to adopt the schedule of the OCG Banlist which is the 1st day of every third month (January, April, July, and October)
You mean re-adopt it.
They absolutely do not because sets don’t always release alongside that schedule which can actually lead to a lot worse formats. They used to do it every 3 months and there’s a reason why they got rid of scheduled banlists. Notice how ocg banlist is a fucking mess? It’s part of the reason.
The ONLY thing ocg does better than tcg is print cards to be accessible. Everything else tcg does better so idk why you would use ocg as an example.
@@xSkwintzTCG is the worse format to play right now and there is a big chance that we go into WCQ season without a banlist to make things even worse. Laugh about consistency hits but they are far better that doing nothing
this doesn't change anything, If they dont want to hit the deck they're not going to.
Well as of today, Moon of the Close Sky is confirmed for INFO, soo Nats is going to be who can have the most Fiendsmith engine before the event
an OSS ban cuts 7 starters in the deck and makes bonfire a bad extender as poplar cannot grab oss anymore and only can go for temple into snake eye diabell for a body. sure you get 3 findsmith but you made a -4 in the trade, weakens the selene plays and the exention. Oak ban also works but cannot be the sole hit to the deck. Any other bans is just cope or utter destruction
Ban Flamberge
It takes away the most frustrating part of Snake and makes it less necessary to ban I:P
Ban Ash or Poplar while you're at it
I like how well thought-out and well explained your videos are, man.
Yeah, I recently played this game called Master Duel and they have this card called Maxx "C", I wonder when we'll get it legal over here in TCG. But for real though, unban Block Dragon
Thank you Jesse, finally somebody with a good take. I think oak ban alone would be not enough, but paired with some other hits it should tune down snake eyes to a point where it is fun to play and to play aganst
Banning oss is the right answer , stop the snake eyes engine abuse in other deck and hurt pure snake eyes power and consistency.
nahh yall were crying you couldnt side properly when we had the free for all format recently, you deserve a tier zero format
I don't really understand neutering other strategies to hurt snake eyes end board instead of hitting the deck itself
because game itselve needs fixing
@@AimReadyShootyeah
Konami has done that in the past. Good example I can remember, they banned Jet Synchron and several other Tuners instead of banning Halq.
I really like the animation/edit. Seems like some Kaiba Corp technology. keep up the good work! 👍
I don't think Oak is enough. The deck's grind game thanks to original, flamberge and princess is still incredible not to mention the deck has access to ostinato/fiendsmith/kash cards to help extend past handtraps. I can even think of people getting to flamberge via field instead of relying on 2nd eff of snake eye ash. Sure it impacts them but I think the deck would still be the best deck and would mean waiting another half year for a banlist to address it. I could be wrong but I don't think its worth risking I and many others would rather just guarantee the deck gets hit by either original or flamberge ban. I would rather flamberge since it keeps original as a splashable engine for other decks.
Same. I think just banning Oak without banning Apollousa means the Snake-Eye deck can just use the Fiendsmith cards to bait hand traps or make Apollousa to protect the Snake-Eye Ash effect to summon Flamberge.
I still think that flamberge need to get banned.
No matter what, Fiendsmith is going to create another tier 0 meta
In the OCG, they don't have that cuz they hit Snake Eye Ash and Wanted to 1 with Bonfire about to go to 2. The best deck in the last OCG meta report was actually Yubel. This is a TCG problem cuz their banlist choices are really stupid.
maybe 3 max c fix the problem
@@nguyennguyentrung5617 It definitely helps cuz Maxx c really hurts aggro decks that spam bodies
It's just going to Bump Snake Eyes. We will have never left.
@@nguyennguyentrung5617Given the cards are designed around 3 Maxx C, maybe
Lmao I'm the gomi tweet in this, I was actually complaining about playing against branded 3 rounds in a row 😭😭
I dont mind seeing oak gone, but i think flamberge is the way to go. I think snake eye as a deck just needs to be taken back behind the shed.
Activate Necrovalley, special fenrir, there you go snake eyes board broken , you’re welcome
You don't see Apalousa or IP getting hit because they were reprinted in RA02? They reprinted Baron in RA01 FINALLY making it affordable and they banned it right away, that was pretty much the main reason I quit the game
The slight difference here is that Baronne and Borrel were banned 5 months after their reprint, where it's only been 2 since Appo and I:P had theirs. Unless Konami has decided that it's already done selling RA02, I think those two are probably safe this list, but will be in danger for the autumn list.
Imagine crying over a card that deserved to be banned even before the reprint...
So you waited until it was cheap and thats why you quit?? Who cares you didnt even lose money then
@@sallas09 Yes, but also, Baronne was pretty expensive until the RA reprint, Appo and I:P have always been accesible, I don't think they care they just reprinted them in RA02 most people already had their copies
@@Saltymoles If you don't see the problem with the Konami shady tactics I don't know what to tell you, maybe you like being a victim
I came back to the tcg after a 16 year hiatus. Bought the staples, found a deck I liked to play, but the feeling of the game changed so much it was barely recognizable, one card combo where boards became unbreakable, hand traps that stop my turn mid play, and then matches that literally lasted 5 min ... just lost the fun for me, whether this is a I need to "get good" at the game idk. But I hope that they can make the entry into the game more friendly to new players soon or they will eventually run out of players. The saddest thing I saw were kids 8 to 9 coming to play losing to 25 to 30 year old men and never coming back. Like it is a game, let's be kind to the new players just a little?
Honestly i just play with lower powered decks with no that many handtraps, who knew playing more casual stuff lead to a way funner game, my favorite deck to play cant even survive like 1 turn with modern cards lol
Pokemon has been it for me man. Cheap decks that are meta contenders, good spread of decks and interaction is more digestible
I remember being 9 or so going to an event at Toys R Us all excited, and my opponent hit me with Dark Armed Dragon and I stood no chance. It was the same back then.
Guess I lucked out as a kid cause the card shop I went to when I only knew about the game through 4kids was really good at treating new players (especially kids) well. They would always let me win one game a round and tell me kindly what I did well and what I didn't and how to improve. One time they even rearranged the brackets cause I got matched up against one of the best players in the area so they put me up against another kid. Good times
Don't hit princess! She's my best Salamangreat monster😅
Your only suggestion ban the weakest Snake Eye card? This doesn't address the issues with the game or format. Snake Eyes Fiendsmith destroys everything then and we end up in our NEXT tier 0 format. Game stays extremely linear boring and expensive.
You said it yourself there isn't a real Rogue option. Unless you actually hit someone these decks and lower the power level, we will continue the tier 0 format system that started with Tearlements.
Snake eyes needs a nerf
As someone who just quit Yugioh after playing competitively for almost 8 years, I don't think a banlist saves the game. I think cards will only continue to get even better and there will be a point to where what Snake-Eye Ash does as 1 card will be considered weak. Which is crazy to think about, but the history proves itself.
Yaknow what really helps against Snake eye going second? (: called by the grave. Please unlimit called my the grave. (:
as an unchained player i can usually easily beat the pure snake eyes diabelstar variant. the rescue ace and fireking varients on the other hand either have one too many disruptions in the case of rescue ace or one too many opponents turn extenders in the case of fire king.
im not to worried about an sp little knight or a appolousa because its just going to get either triple tac stolen or negated. also although droll cant completly halt the plays it does hamper it.
i play on master duel btw and the deck has difficulty playing through maxx c if it resolves at the right time if you wait until after they commit to a play to activate maxx c they have little choice but to play into it. otherwise you activate it too early they bill ether diabelstar pass or they will dragon 2 monsters in backrow pass and you get nothing so its important to to time the bug right.
also im aware that big red unchained is at 1 outside of masterduel but in masterduel its at 3 so unchained can easily just extend through the board. also princess self floodgates them out of using nibiru untill after i get king wave ceazer on board so if i let him keep princess till last he cant even use it.
i hate rescue ace unchained always loses to it and fire king is a toss up if i win or lose
Wouldn’t Yubel automatically dominate if Snake eyes gets hit and Yubel doesn’t?
I would heavily argue that yubel is much easier to deal with game wise then snake-eyes.
Imo no. It plays enough awkward draws its never going to be tier 0 in rep. The deck has a high ceiling but you draw some unplayable hands, and a lot of hands that don't quite do what you'd want them to.
@@Off_Screenthey are the only meta deck with easy access to omni negates on the rank 10 and the spirit fusion.
Their only weakness is that they are somewhat prone to bricking with the lvl 10 garnets, but with the fusion they will have plays even if they brick.
Sure didn’t dominate in recent events even against non-SE decks
@@Aldragon i think we can both agree that tempai is DEFINITELY the real threat.
So what do you think about banning poplar. I personally think that poplar was what made the deck so good. Because it saw no representation before that. Other than fire king with the small snake eye package.
Me too,but I think is a combination, flamberge is a Crazy card,but without popplar and Princess It would be harder to access or revive etc, is like ash, flamberge, popplar,Princess are good cards,but the combination of them is what propels this to insane levels imo
@@Joao-wr7xg yeah all the snake eye cards are good except birch lol. I think Jesse is right abt just hitting oak. But the poplar idea could be an option for Konami to consider. Although it would literally be ban poplar or ban oak there’s no in between
Its better than a flamberge ban, but honestly oss into something like hydrant still just wins the game if not interacted with, as well as being hard to stop because there's a lot of extenders they could have. Granted there are a lot more bricks and awkward draws to have, and no bonfire into pop makes stopping witch harder to punish, but well you have the fiendsmith engine to make up for that and running a second oss isn't the worst thing.
People also don't seem to realize how good rescue ace is at pushing through a board, ever since the last ban list you can actually push through a snake eyes board pretty reliable if impulse resolves turn one. I really don't find a world where rescue ace is the deck to beat to be healthier than snake eyes format, honestly its more frustrating because the main balance to that deck is just drawing awkwardly.
@@shawnjavery so basically we all can recognize that if they hit oss then the wanted package will be practically useless, which is a bad buisness decision by Konami. Also seeing as they are reprinting it in the mega tins means that we can probably infer that no parts of the package will be hit until a little bit after the drop. That is unless it gets out of hand with the fiendsmith package.
Basically the main issue currently is snake eye. So that would probably mean that they will only hit snake eye specific cards rather than the wanted stuff. But you never know. I do agree that the wanted stuff is over powered but idk if that means Konami will hit it just yet.
@@razorglazor6003 banning Oak is the right play but probably not enough by itself. You can consider putting Poplar to 1 in addition to banning Oak. Putting Poplar to 0 will probably kill the deck, alongside banning OSS or Flamberge.
Unfortunately I've entered my second hiatus in yugioh, where the first one was during PEPE format. Honestly i feel the same way about the tier 0 back on the day, that Konami just doesn't care about the game or players.
Oak would have been an acceptable hit last banlist, at this stage of snake-eyes c4ncer that little slap will not cut it at all. Either ravage the deck's consistency to at least the level master duel has or ban any one of flamberge, ash, poplar or original.
If you ban oak and snash(2) gets HTed the deck can still search flamberge thru poplar searching temple and send it using a drawn witch or an OG
Ban whatever but just don't touch plants or Pot Of Prosperity cuz those cards are perfectly fine....Thanks
The legend, Jeff Leonard. Big W
Fiendsmith snake eyes dominated 75% of Top 8 in WCQ China. In a format without Maxx C and snake-eye hits, this is very concerning.
I wanna start playing this game. Question, how much is the money prize pool from tournaments?
The games finally reached a state of unrepairable imo. It was only a matter of time but now we're getting tier 0 formats more often than not. Konamis power creep has become unhinged in the last two years. Remember when people complained about adventure? Doesnt even see play now and it never got hit lmao.
It's a card design problem when tier 0 formats become more and more frequent.
It will be coming soon, either July or August.
Monday July 15th is when the Banlist will Drop… Calling it Now
It's going to drop at Nats my guy
@@williammedina1549 Mid round 3, semi-limit Ash, ban Oak & leave players scrambling for the next round
15.05.2024. No one card is forgotten, no one crime is forgotten
I'm sure this video was scheduled to go up before the announcement earlier today, but the mini-goddess link 2 (Closed World) got announced for INFO earlier today. Woof.
I absolutely think a Princess ban is the best we can hope for currently. No Princess makes the deck struggle more to get into link 4s, takes away a disruption, and further hits recursion. It also kills the Fiendsmith engine as a starter for SE because you’d need to use Princess to revive Ash dumped by Beatrice. Still lets it be splashed elsewhere and SE can still use it as its own thing, but Engraver won’t be a 1 card SE combo
Jesse's hit with Oak is on point. There might be other slaps needed, but that's the #1 card to go for WITHOUT KILLING THE DECK (caps for emphasis since we have like 500 people thinking they have the original idea of banning Flamberge. Yeah, it's the most obvious to go after but some people prefer to fine tune decks without trying to kill them all the time)
Hitting oak does nothing, just like hitting Linkuriboh. You can easily access flamberg with fiendsmith engine.
Kill Ash and Flamberge imo
Ban Oak and ban Temple. The decks core strategy remains the same except its grind game is hurt a lot, and it now struggles to play around Nibiru
Only banning Oak is going to do nothing. Ban either poplar or flamberge, and limit all the other names. I do not care, this crap is just as head-and-shoulders above the rest of the game as Tearlaments were in their heydays. Give them that treatment or kill their endboard or the game simply will not be fixed.
Nah Witch is not supposed to be so generic. OSS is 100% the ban.
Given the way that Witch is the new protagonist for the lore, I think she is supposed to be generic so she's played in every Archetype attached to the lore. Kinda like Visas Starfrost
I mean if Konami printed Fire Cycle Reader and made target up to 5 as well as no no handtrap for effects that set cards from deck or activating cards face up in the S/T zone would we need a banlist?
With the Link 2 being confirmed in Infinite Forbidden, I think Beatrice needs a ban before the the set comes out and I think something else need to be hit in Snake-Eyes than just Oak if that is the route
Ah yes, Beatrice definitely needs to be banned.
@@116_Gaming Was only an easy way to bring out away from getting banned. That's what's kept her from being banned.
another banger jesse
well we KNOW now that goddes is in the set
Fuck modern Edison going crazy rn 🤷♂️
Banning oak would be an attempt to just cripple the deck, though it wouldn't really do so in the way you would think. It would basically make the deck run two to three 1 ofs, 3 Diab, 3 Foam, and even more handraps/board breakers with the focus would be to dump flam in grave to trigger is effect to plus. Literally the only decks that would gain favor over oak being banned are decks like Kash or anything that prevents stuff from hitting the grave or activating in grave, decks that already give it trouble. The cards that would be best to hit are its search cards so the snake eyes player isn't playing basically a 20 card deck. I play tf out of Snake eyes. Its a solid deck for sure. But its far from unstoppable, especially when everyone is building their decks with the snake eyes matchup in mind. With most builds focusing on the 1 card combo, limiting the ways to get said combo would force players to build more rounded variations of the deck
Need a list desperately
Could tyrant’s tirade be a good counter to snake eyes?
Hell yeah they do
ban flamberge, Skill drain, Apo.
limit wanted, sangen summoning
thats it
I think an Oak ban definitely brings down Snake Eye to a reasonable level in the current format. However, Fiendsmith just prints bodies and almost entirely mitigates the hit because you can simply send Flamberge with Beatrice, revive it, etc.
Also, Oak definitely feels like an underpowered card compared to other cards on the banlist, but it’s all contextual. That’s more subjective anyways.
The only issue with tcg is every hand traps is at 3 and every one plays 15, then there's me who spends hours testing shuffling techniques running 15 and not drawing one, but everyone else draws 3 with full combo, it's honestly annoying af
Well, OCG and MD only semi-limited bonfire, so I wouldn't expect too much
What will happen if Konami ban flamberge dragon as a middle solution? Does this address somewhat the problem of extender and the i. p. combo? Food for thought.
Remember that month or couple of months before sharvara was limited and the format was diverse. Then the players complained about that diversity not allowing a for accurate side decking which leads us to where we are now. Crazy to think how good we couldve had it if everywhere just learned to accept to that not knowing what to side was ok.
I really like your opinion, although personaly I liked Oak because it ment safe play arround play, instead of the greedy all in. But if it has to go it has. I was just thinking, why doesnt anyone recommend Flamberge to 1 at least. I guess its bannable to, and I didint follow the new lines when SE Diabelle got released, but doesnt SE use 2 dragons often in the combo?
On the topic of Zoodiacs, could we please have Drident and Barrage back at one? I want to run Zoo in Labrynth.
They enable Zeus a little too well and Ty-Phon is a thing so it can enable that too now.
You think they won’t hit Apolousa and Masquerena because they just got reprinted ? 😂
*Cries in affordable Savage & Baronne*
Confirmed today we are getting the link
Saying to hit Oak instead of Flamberge is like saying to hit Adamancipator Analyzer instead of Block Dragon.
Oak is not enough, why do people keep suggesting BS hit that won't matter, and then keep complaining.
Just ban the goddamn Flamberge and SE is over, release back Baronne Savage Linkuriboh and SE is still dead, no need to bloat the banlist with shitty useless hit. Konami made the correct choice by only banning Elf in Spright, Arise-Heart in Kashtira, Block Dragon in Adamancipator, Scarecrow in SHS, etc, so that they could keep everything else untouched and those decks are no longer a problem anymore. 99.99% of decks only need 1 correct hit to be gone forever, and for SE it's simply banning Flamberge. The only deck that need many hits is Tear, but they did that so it's gone now.
Banning oak does nothing. OCG doesn't even use Oak.
OCG also plays Maxx "C".
two differnet formats two differnet games
@troytheboy1985 yet the same top decks dominate
@@EinSilverRose Because the individual Snake-Eye cards themselves are far and away better than everything else at the moment in both formats.
@@Cybertech134 I'm saying that Maxx C being legal or not doesn't change which top deck dominates.
As someone who is only a very casual player... playing in any kind of physical format frightens me. And I spent a little money on Master Duel and haven't played it in months because I've seen some of the archetypes that are around. It, again, frightens me.
5:13 = omg. Epilepsy warning
Jesse - please don't ever do this "effect" again
I don't think the banlist would solve anything anymore. Considering how many tier zero formats there have been lately, all that's going to happen after a banlist that hits snake eye is that another single deck will just take its place. The cycle will just continue repeat until everyone decides to play another game all together (because Konami refuse to correct the problem internally).
I think the player base is happy the best player in the game has a similar ideas that we have, but Snake eyes is an issue, but still having yubel with have super poly and nightmare pain basically beat anything regardless, but as a semi budget player, I do think they will hit diabellstars and posters because they have been out for a year, that or they will reprint them in the tins which is my hope! But yea shifter and floodgates kinda need to go and some how to address all these other decks (which I love to play) which are 2 card combos just insta lose to 2-3 handtraps and we need to find something to be done about that tooo.
Been awhile since I played but can your opponent SP response to you tributing their monsters for sphere mode or lava golem?
only after the tribute summon.
@@kyokusanagi8208but SP itself is one of the monsters being used as a tribute.
Isn't it funny how hand traps suck against snake eyes but help it hurt everything else. Its funny to say you want to keep witch to keep other decks together didnt savage and baronnes ban destroy multiple decks
I've said the same thing about Oak before but I also think hitting Zealantis would be a good hit. Snake eys has a great grind game but they never have to use it because they always have access to Zealantis OTK, which got even better with raging phoenix. Take Zealantis out and it's suddenly much harder for the deck to just up and kill you off like nothing. A Hita hit would also be reall nice for lowering their power level. You ashing them suddenly isn't engine for them.
Lots of options on the table. Just hit SOMETHING lol
unban tear and the format will be saved
Cant wait for Komoney to not release a banlist and give the green light for big events with fiendsmith full power and SE untouched lmao
I think banning SE Ash would be the best solution.
When a deck stays on top for so long, something other than killing it won't make it stop.
Does it ever not need one?
I mean, you can always errata Ghost Belle with Call By The Grave effect.
July 28th, end of the month after Infinite Forbidden's release. This way the set's out and the new format would kickoff the fall season.
Jesse do you have any comments now that the moon goddess is announced 😅
Hi Jesse! What's the name of the background music? It's really cool
I think it's unlikely we get a banlist prior to North American Nats. I suspect we'll get one very soon after Nats, but prior to worlds.
this is similar when ishizu comes out to burn everything ft Tearlaments... oh no
with a Banlist, may oil save us all
WANTED will be limited on the next banlist, i think. For the rest, i do not know
The banlist needs to address Snake-eyes, but disagree about I:P and bow goddess needing to be hit. I:P and bow goddess are both specific for their applications and they can't stop spell/trap cards. Savage dragon and Baronne de Fleur were both able to stop monster, spell, and traps cards, which is part of the reason why they were both banned. Also, if I:P and bow goddess got hit then it raises the question of future card design for link monsters.
Keep in mind that they banned Baronne and Savage on the last list when they just got reprinted in Rarity collection 1. I think if anything this is Konami taking an opportunity to cash in once more before banning them.
That's because.
You use them. Your opinion is invalid
@@user-br7vw1ym8x yep, most of these generic card argument boils down to "i want them for my pet deck so they are fine"
@@shadowmetroid18 It depends, I'm just not sure banning more extra deck cards are going to solve the issue.
@@aaronmorgan5860right, no one was calling for these bans before snake eyes was so prominent. The problem is snake eyes not generic extra deck monsters.