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  • @BazilRat
    @BazilRat 2 ปีที่แล้ว +486

    "I made a mini auto gyro so I know wtf I'm doing when I fly the real thing" has to be one of the best reasons to build a little one I've ever heard.

    • @martijn9568
      @martijn9568 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      To be fair. That's pretty much what the Wright brothers did as well.
      They learned how an airplane works and also flew one that was fastened to the ground in strong winds.
      So before they made their actual first flight they already had "flight experience". Something not all aviation pioneers had back then.

    • @infinitytoinfinitysquaredb7836
      @infinitytoinfinitysquaredb7836 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      He also said the full-size ones don't respond the same as the models so...

    • @BazilRat
      @BazilRat 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@infinitytoinfinitysquaredb7836 True, but it'll still teach him the physics and help.

    • @infinitytoinfinitysquaredb7836
      @infinitytoinfinitysquaredb7836 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@BazilRat
      Right, and he said he wants to use the model to learn some acrobatic tricks he can apply to flying his full-size gero like in the James Bond movie. My point is, if they don't respond in the same way is that such a good idea? And they very likely have a different power/weigh ratio as well, plus many other aeronautical differences. Anyway, I hope he doesn't push it too much.

    • @NotaRobot_gif
      @NotaRobot_gif 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      ...and then proceeds to crash it 47 times. =)

  • @hippie-io7225
    @hippie-io7225 2 ปีที่แล้ว +437

    I have a buddy whom at one time owned a full size human gyro. He gave me a ride. Watching your video helps me appreciate that we are not dead.

    • @tmlf1239
      @tmlf1239 2 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      I'm not sure where the notion that autogyros are inherently unsafe comes from. Back in the 20s and 30s many aviators flew them and regarded them as more safe than airplanes due to the fact they could autorotate and can take off and land in very short distances, and also capable of very slow flight, whereas an airplane would stall. Amelia Earhart flew one for years. She set at least one record in it, an altitude record of 18000 ft.
      If you expect them to fly like an airplane, then yes they probably are unsafe. It kind of looks like Peter is falling into that trap with all his initial crashes. I've only flown one in simulator but if I recall, they don't rotate at takeoff. At sufficient air speed they just lift off without changing attitude.

    • @cameronlapworth2284
      @cameronlapworth2284 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      @@tmlf1239 Hi I fly gyros though not for a few years. The gyros safety record is undeserved the safety records of people trying to teach themselves and some appalling instructors resulted and still results in a terrible safety record.
      One of the issues is they are a very high wing loading machine meaning that when the rotax 582s became available we could have dual control machines unfortunately that same machine was available as a single seater. So the empty weight of that machine was probably 130kg. Now add two 90kg male pilots and you have a machine just able to fly. Take one out and you've lost about 1/3 the weight and it flies like a completely different machine. The stick sensitivity alone is massively different.
      Gyros have a few things that can bite you on the arse but much safer in others. For example no stall no spin. I've had 4 engine related emergencies two full on engine failures. Non event I'm a gyro but you can't fly them fast.

    • @alysdexia
      @alysdexia 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      who

    • @lawrencewillard6370
      @lawrencewillard6370 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@tmlf1239 Flew in them for years, my problems were those who built them, for a while was a test pilot for my mates. Had to KNOW them and what they did when the built them. A friend died flying his, this was the cause of FAA building and testing. Their response was this is the best aircraft to survive all they did to it..They bolted one to the back of a flat bed truck. It lifted the back of the truck of the ground, the pilot lined it up again after it went sideways.. Tough?, safe?, depends on you and your mindset. I made certain I knew what to expect, and what to do in all situations. Needed that.

    • @808bigisland
      @808bigisland 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Saw a Cierva in the Brits tech museum. Very impressive machine. Want an electric one.

  • @awood12345
    @awood12345 2 ปีที่แล้ว +199

    I've been fascinated with autogyro's for years. I was lucky enough to fly the RC autogyros designed by a friend who was an amazing builder, they are such a cool machine to fly. He also got me an invite to see Ken Wallis a year or so before he died. Ken was an amazing man and did a ton of things, seeing him fly in his garden is something I'll never forget.

    • @ulrichkalber9039
      @ulrichkalber9039 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      we had one flying show in Braunschweig as well, was spectacular. Mr Wallis was there too with little nelly.

    • @jobelle_gregorio08kyriesan64
      @jobelle_gregorio08kyriesan64 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      American landmasses identification m patties

    • @designsbyphilip510
      @designsbyphilip510 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Im obessed with Gyroplanes. I so want to get my Sport Pilots license in one.

    • @cambridgemart2075
      @cambridgemart2075 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Little Nelly now resides in the Shuttleworth Aircraft Collection in Old Warden, sadly no longer flying.

    • @tonywright8294
      @tonywright8294 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Wallis’s big head though he knew everything !

  • @Afrocanuk
    @Afrocanuk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +120

    The Auto-Gyro is literally the (missing) link between fixed & rotary wing airchafts. Juan de la Cierva was also the inventor of the swash-plate. The mechanism responsible for giving helicopters directional control.

    • @Francois_Dupont
      @Francois_Dupont 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      wasnt it the russian that invented the first helicopter? nobody wanted it until BELL bought the design from him.

    • @joshtamargoderothschild2420
      @joshtamargoderothschild2420 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @Tom Sawyer proposed by russian Boris Yuryev in 1911 but De la Cierva was the first who could really get it to work to apply it to surface control... without Mr la Cierva we would not have helicopters as we know them today

    • @toolbaggers
      @toolbaggers 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Maybe closer to an airplane. The V-22 is closer to a heli in my opinion because the thing that makes a heli a heli is the being able to vector the thrust of the rotor.
      The autogyro is closer to a powered paraglider and an airplane than a heli because they have have passive wings.

    • @nzsaltflatsracer8054
      @nzsaltflatsracer8054 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Afrocanuk is correct. The accurate history is that Cierva invented the swashplate, sold manufacturing rights to Pitcairn in the US, then the US Government overrode the patent rights to allow Sikorsky to build a successful helicopter using Cierva's invention.

    • @crawford323
      @crawford323 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@nzsaltflatsracer8054 Sikorsky became a licensee of Pitcairn who had improved the rotorhead and had his own very successful jump take off designs. Let say to be kind ahh Sikorsky borrowed Pitcairns head design and successfully flew his helicopter in 1941 or so. Pitcairn sued but according to Bruce Charnov’s book From Autogiros to Gyroplanes, the government blocked the lawsuit claiming National security. Of course this marked the end to the effective commercialization of the Autogyro. Despondent Pitcairn was found dead from a gunshot wound. His estate did win the lawsuit in mid 1970’s and was awarded, if my memory servers 60 million. A pittance compared to the industry which was aided by his efforts. Juan de La Cierva was killed in a DC-3 in England in a weather related accident as a relative young man. Kellet, Pitcairn and others improved on what De La Cierva gave us. It all started as a result of a tragic stall spin accident which killed his good friend. This led him to ask one of the most out of the box questions which showed his genius. “ Why do the passengers have to fly at the same speed as the wings?”

  • @CharlesVanNoland
    @CharlesVanNoland 2 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Peter, you've finally achieved final form - tackling the gyro after all of the projects over the years. The gyro is everything. The gyro is life. The gyro is all that there ever should be and all that ever should've been.

    • @cameronlapworth2284
      @cameronlapworth2284 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      RIGHT THERE WITH YOU BUDDY!

    • @barneylegend1023
      @barneylegend1023 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Can’t disagree with ya

    • @CharlesVanNoland
      @CharlesVanNoland 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@scotty657 I'm naturally on another plane.

    • @BrightBlueJim
      @BrightBlueJim 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'm a little concerned about the ... finality.

  • @dfgaJK
    @dfgaJK 2 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    That anti magnet was unexpectedly fascinating. Did it really work like that or was there some movie magic?

    • @electricalmayhem
      @electricalmayhem 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      It works as well as the hammer does on the aluminum a few seconds later

  • @benm5913
    @benm5913 2 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    For when you go full scale: Gyrocopters have a very specific safety issue that fixed wings don't, despite the fact that they control the same. Don't ever unload the rotors, it's a deadly issue that can't be recovered from. Essentially, it's like letting go of a kite string. You cant fix it once its gone. It's called Power Push Over. Rule of thumb is dont allow yourself to get negative g's.

    • @thomassuit7450
      @thomassuit7450 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      You can see that happening in some of his model flight tests. You need to level off *gently* after climbing out. Ease off the power before pushing the stick forward. If you unload the rotor by letting wind blow in through the top, the wing quits flying and you fall like a rock.
      The other thing that is different is that if I recall correctly, control inputs are not held like with fixed wing aircraft. So like for a right bank you would move your stick right and return it to neutral, then to exit the turn you do the mirror image (stick left, then return to neutral) of what you just did to enter the turn. It's been decades since I was looking at these so I could be wrong on that one.
      Get formal training before trying to fly the real one.

    • @error.418
      @error.418 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      PPO is set up by a design with the thrust line above the CoG. Not all gyros are designed like that.

    • @benm5913
      @benm5913 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@error.418 Ill be honest, I dont know any design that doesnt have thrust above cog. As far as I know the design feature that helped, helped not eliminated the issue, is the addition of a large horizontal rear tail fin. Designs from the 70's generally don't have this and you'll see that the crash rate amongst gyrocoptors is usually those older designs.

    • @error.418
      @error.418 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@benm5913 A lot of people modified their gyro to raise the body so they could lower the engine. others also tilted the engine to adjust the thrust line to more closely intersect the CoG. there was also a big push for performance during the late-60s and 70s that lead to a spike in crashes as novice pilots got ahold of engines too powerful for the design and skill level. it's complicated, but PPO is set up by thrust line over CoG and exacerbated by higher power thrust.

    • @benm5913
      @benm5913 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@error.418 I agree that PPO is set up through thrust over cog, buuuuut, unloading the rotors is the end result. That was the original point. Don't unload the rotors.

  • @wtechboy18
    @wtechboy18 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    "once it's in the air it flies like an airplane" - From what I've read written by other gyrocopter pilots this is MOSTLY correct but not in one critical area - if you start stalling in an airplane and lose airspeed the correct answer is to pitch the nose down. In a gyrocopter, that'll get you killed very easily as it can send you tumbling ass-over-head very quickly. The autogyro aspect of a gyrocopter should be adequate to spin the blades back up again if you stall out simply by sacrificing some amount of altitude - but you *must* keep the airflow coming from the *underside* of the plane of motion of the blades or you're going to have a Very Bad Time™.

  • @dwhall256
    @dwhall256 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    It's not just the aerodynamics that doesn't scale well, it's the ratio of gyroscopic force to the mass of the vehicle. (i.e. your aircraft is so light, the gyroscopic force dominates at high rotor rpm). If you add a second rotor in contra-rotation, you will reduce the gyroscopic forces and have more stability. Optionally, you could add more mass to your aircraft.

    • @pufango4059
      @pufango4059 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You don’t have a clue what you are talking about do you ?

    • @BrightBlueJim
      @BrightBlueJim 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So, using dual rotors and a contra-rotating props on the engine should make it easy!

  • @antongolovko1149
    @antongolovko1149 2 ปีที่แล้ว +284

    Holy cow your editing skills are really good now! Looks really nice compared to older videos! Looking forward to you flying the big gyrocopter in your next video. Good luck!

    • @thetruthexperiment
      @thetruthexperiment 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah you used to suck but now you’re okay. Hahaha. Just kidding. You’re rich and you fly. You’ve always been alright. Musical choice is better now for sure though. Haha!

    • @cinemoriahFPV
      @cinemoriahFPV 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He hired an editor that's why it looks so good.

    • @antongolovko1149
      @antongolovko1149 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cinemoriahFPV I see

  • @Lord_Omni
    @Lord_Omni 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Can add few more things: odd number of blades is generally recommended for RC gyrocopters, and you can make one from a RC copter body, where swashplate will handle uneven pitch for you, stock 3 servos will give you good control without real need for a yaw control on a tail, and stock main gear with some tinkering can be used for prespin (but you have to add a tail for stabilization anyway). Also mixes will help a lot with stall and rollovers related to burst of thrust.

  • @Dr_Mauser
    @Dr_Mauser 2 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    I remember when I was reading up on autogyros that the most common way to kill yourself was called a Power Push(or Pitch) Over. Basically at the end of a climb, a pilot should reduce power FIRST, then pitch forward. This was especially a problem with models that didn't have a horizontal stabilizer, and a motor thrust line way above the pilot. The mistake would be to reduce pitch first with full power (Because, yeah, you want to go fast now that you're done climbing, right?). Doing that reduces the drag from the rotor, but not from the pilot/cockpit. The center of thrust ends up way above the center of drag, and the whole machine tumbles and is unrecoverable.

    • @cameronlapworth2284
      @cameronlapworth2284 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      not quite right although this myth has been largely accepted by most in the gryoplane community.
      I used to fly bensen gyros years ago and am building a new one slowly now. I was trained in the gyroglider then two seat powered then lots of time in my own machine supervised doing strip runs. I never saw an accident at that club we were very well trained. When I went onto become a gyroglider instructor myself for 16 years off and on in that club and our own club in my state. no one ever smashed up a set of rotors under my instruction either.
      no stabiliser necessary. meanwhile our sport copying off the USA had decided to blame a lack of stabilisers so Australia mandated them. well all that meant was everyone who died died with a stabiliser. that continued at the same rate today.
      Next in UK a proper scientific analysis was carried out which concluded that speed was the most important factor and that stabilisers were of no help but c of g relative to thrust line was which is true.
      however machines like the dominator remove the 3 degrees of downturns which in the Bensens puts the thrust line through the cg and keep it flat but bring the mass up. So everyone continued to ignore good training and deaths continued.
      one guy visited our club and was boasting about his new machine and how fast it was. He claimed he was going to be getting up over 100knots the following weekend he had mabey 5 hour solo. Myself and about 5 others warned him he could inadvertently push the rotors negative trying this and should avoid flying that fast he cited the very large stabiliser like the one on peters machine and the high vs thrustline so wasn't worried. His gps when recovered showed he was doing 95knts when he bunted over the force on his body was so sudden his ripped his harness off and was flung out of the cockpit leaving his leg behind in the process.
      as you get faster and faster your disk angle become shallower and shallower. push it over and the airflow reverses and in about a second you will fly straight through the rotor and die. anyone tells you otherwise ask them to fly at 100mph straight over the airstrip and punch the stick full forward. if they do I'm convinced they'll kill themselves right in front of you. if they are not willing to try that experiment and actually don't tell them to do it you don't want to be even partly responsible. however I note many including many instructors are willing to make these statements often when trying to sell you a gyroplane. A quick google search of gyroplane fatalities will show you almost all have stabilisers, almost all have high CG to thrustline.
      the ONLY way to be safe in gyros like all aircraft is to spend the time to get excellent training. That includes you to Peter. don't I any way convince yourself you can safety teach yourself to fly these things. get proper instruction then spend many hours after your instruction in heavy dual machines under supervision doing ground runs.

    • @Dr_Mauser
      @Dr_Mauser 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@cameronlapworth2284 Perhaps that was an advantage of the original tractor design, the engine in the front put the thrust line in a more inherently stable position.

    • @Aviator168
      @Aviator168 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Dr_Mauser Cameron Lapworth is not talking about the pilot push-over problem. He is talking about a fast-spinning rotor and suddenly sees a negative AoA. Instead of generating uplift, the rotor suddenly generates down lift and chops up the pilot.

    • @Dr_Mauser
      @Dr_Mauser 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Aviator168 But doesn't the pilot push-over basically cause negative AOA because of the sudden unloading of the blades?

    • @Aviator168
      @Aviator168 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Dr_Mauser Depends on the cross-section of the blades and the amount of negative AoA. It definitely reduces the force that makes the blades spin and rotor unload. When the stick is pushed forward, the AoA of the advancing blade is reduced and at the same time, the AoA of retrieving blade is increased. If the stick is pushed too much forward, it will cause the entire retrieving blade to stall, and the rotor stops spinning very quickly.

  • @cheapskateaquatics7103
    @cheapskateaquatics7103 2 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    I remember reading an article in popular mechanics in the late 2000's about a guy building and flying a gyrocopter. He used an old Subaru engine for the power plant and a clutch to spin up the free rotor.

    • @infinitytoinfinitysquaredb7836
      @infinitytoinfinitysquaredb7836 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      A Subaru engine?? The gyrocopter must have been huge.

    • @cheapskateaquatics7103
      @cheapskateaquatics7103 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@infinitytoinfinitysquaredb7836 I mean it wasn't huge, but it was larger than the one Peter has. Granted, once you take away everything from a boxer engine, they are not that big. If you look up some of the older ones, they still have the Subaru boxer engines.

    • @infinitytoinfinitysquaredb7836
      @infinitytoinfinitysquaredb7836 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@cheapskateaquatics7103
      We are talking about an automobile engine here, right? Seems like a very poor fit for a gyrocopter. But what do I know, I'm not an aeronautical engineer.

    • @Francois_Dupont
      @Francois_Dupont 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@infinitytoinfinitysquaredb7836 yeah, its pure BS

    • @quackman7027
      @quackman7027 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@infinitytoinfinitysquaredb7836 theres one for sale over here with a turbo subaru flat 4 engine and is a registered aircraft and everything

  • @Harry_Ballzonya
    @Harry_Ballzonya 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    If you were born around the same time as the Wright brothers, you would have been the father of aviation

  • @blancolirio
    @blancolirio 2 ปีที่แล้ว +99

    Excellent Pete, Thanks for posting!!
    Be careful when you go full scale...Training!!

    • @kev_1453
      @kev_1453 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Natural selection more like!

    • @martijn9568
      @martijn9568 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Peter just wants to unvoluntarily end up doing a collab with you I'm afraid😅

  • @C-Henry
    @C-Henry 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Always wondered why there were so few RC gyro copters, now I guess I know, awesome that you made it work.

  • @ErikNilsen1337
    @ErikNilsen1337 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I've eaten at a Greek restaurant once, so I know that it's really pronounced "auto-yee-ro."

    • @ulrichkalber9039
      @ulrichkalber9039 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I know that too, have passed by a greek restaurant once.

    • @skaldlouiscyphre2453
      @skaldlouiscyphre2453 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      In Canada it's an auto-donair.

  • @GaninIsMyName
    @GaninIsMyName 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Peter up here graduating from pondering The Orb to pondering *Gyro Copter* 1:40

  • @oadka
    @oadka 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for making such a good resource on how to build RC gyros! Your contribution will be remembered!

  • @ekoturnip
    @ekoturnip 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I've supplied paint for a few full sized versions of these over the years. The owners would smash them up rather than selling them due to avoiding blame if the next owner would kill themselves on it :D

  • @brighambaker3381
    @brighambaker3381 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    You have to keep load on the rotors, and if you do, you can do almost anything. I went to Bensen days in Florida and got to fly a gyrocopter and it was super awesome, simple, and stable!

  • @potatoman9511
    @potatoman9511 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I like the vids. I want to be like you and create stuff. I actually used your video where you had a hot wire foam cutter and built one myself!

  • @theoverlord3839
    @theoverlord3839 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Saw the thumbnail and was like no way, he did a gyroopter?

  • @szxnv
    @szxnv 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Peter your videos are always a full nostalgia trip for me, thank you! :)

  • @NicholasRehm
    @NicholasRehm 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Next up, cyclocopter? :)

  • @jesseshakarji9241
    @jesseshakarji9241 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'd love to see a dual rotor gyrocopter. I know a few designs exist but I'd love to see Peter's take on it.

    • @ScottRuggels
      @ScottRuggels 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Geared opposed rotors? Something to avoid the asymmetric lift? I am imagining something with a Fletner, or Kamen rotor arraingement.

  • @elguapo1690
    @elguapo1690 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I never understood why gyro copters never caught on. Now I do! Thanks for that!

  • @poobertop
    @poobertop 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    that was really impressive, well done. At times you could here the blades chuggin' like a full scale, cool!

  • @kurtiskill2847
    @kurtiskill2847 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Shoutout everyone who was here when the title said "isint"

  • @pauljs75
    @pauljs75 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It's almost like TH-cam knew this was coming up. Was getting about a dozen videos on the topic of this particular style of aircraft in my feed before this video showed up. Also it's good Peter has some idea of how potentially unforgiving that kind of aircraft is before trying the real thing. But that also means he should have success, so that'll be fun to watch when it comes.

  • @ericgillespie2812
    @ericgillespie2812 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Recognized it immediatly. Learned so much. Thanks for the upload!

  • @F5Tornado44
    @F5Tornado44 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Oh maaaaan, I can't wait to see you fly the full size one. I've dreamed of owning 1 of these when I was a little kid, pretty much all the way up to adulthood. You are living my dream now.

  • @thevilde4509
    @thevilde4509 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I really look forward to seeing the video of the big one. they are fascinating machines

    • @delphicdescant
      @delphicdescant 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I will be relieved when I see the video of the big one, because it will probably mean he's still with us.

  • @Me-0063
    @Me-0063 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Just amazing... This guy can make everything fly...
    (Edit: Please make a flying boat)

    • @SKITZIZAKINGDON
      @SKITZIZAKINGDON 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      NO HE CANT, I NEVER SEEN A BOAT STARTING TO FLY FROM WATER. I BET HE CANT DO THAT. GNEH GNEH GNEH..

    • @Me-0063
      @Me-0063 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@SKITZIZAKINGDON Or can he?

    • @SKITZIZAKINGDON
      @SKITZIZAKINGDON 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Me-0063 NOW WAIT AND SEE IF OUR CHALLENGE GETS ACCEPTED..

    • @Monkey_king124
      @Monkey_king124 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      He has

    • @goldendragon3147
      @goldendragon3147 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Peter made an Ekranoplan before, even, the video titled 'giant rc ekranoplan', its basically close enough and it could take off from the water

  • @DetroitMicroSound
    @DetroitMicroSound 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I often find myself wishing you more frequently made content, Peter!

  • @marcuscoquer5958
    @marcuscoquer5958 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The guy who built the bond Gyro copter lived near where my mum grew up. He actually landed at the school to show it to the kids when she was there!

  • @yetkinkaracal3346
    @yetkinkaracal3346 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I would like to call this craft: Crash-Copter

  • @robertstark3326
    @robertstark3326 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Peter, another great video. I have a Hobbyking Auto G2 and it flies great. It has some nice design features including a slip clutch that allows a small motor with a flexible shaft to power the rotor for take-offs then is able to free spin like a bike wheel. Stay safe with the real one you're getting ready to fly. Best of luck.

    • @ezonigs3107
      @ezonigs3107 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've read somewhere that the CoG of a gyroplane should always be in front of the rotor mast. is this true. If it is, by how many percent should it be in front of the rotor mast if the rotor diameter is 100%?

  • @Sagetower7
    @Sagetower7 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am so happy to see you come back to the gyrocopter!

  • @morkovija
    @morkovija 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amazing stuff Peter! Glad it's not just another quadcopter)

  • @shanekennethjamesaustin3949
    @shanekennethjamesaustin3949 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Hey Peter, thanks for the video. I did my initial training as a helicopter maintenance engineer working on Seaking Helo’s.
    So, I am pretty much full bottle on the workings of fully articulated rotor heads. I’ve spent a lot of time in the left hand seat of different helicopters flying under instruction so at a pinch I could probably walk away from a landing if the pilot was incapacitated.
    I have a fixed wing PPL and own my own aeroplane but the lure of a gyroplane has been a long held dream!
    My question is - why don’t Gyro’s have 4 bladed rotor systems? In just about every TH-cam video you see of the cockpit view of the flight, the control column is always vibrating in sync with the rotation of the rotor. Surely a 3 or 4 bladed rotor head would make for a smoother ride.
    With the amount of theory of flight I’ve done over the years I should probably know the answer but I don’t!
    Is it just a cost thing or is it too hard to engineer for a gyro’ set up. (Both in real life an R/C applications)
    Cheers.
    SA

  • @racingturtel5002
    @racingturtel5002 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Awsome nice video as always 😀

  • @cooltool.nem.n.nem.
    @cooltool.nem.n.nem. 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love how you don’t get disappointed or discouraged

  • @KrazyMitchAdventures
    @KrazyMitchAdventures 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I flew a RAF 2000 Gyro at Arlington Washington at the EAA Flyin, in 2007.
    They are a mess load of fun to fly.

  • @kackenderkevin
    @kackenderkevin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    i love your videos

  • @tgapcharlie
    @tgapcharlie 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    love these things!

  • @eastoforion
    @eastoforion 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    omg i have been obsessed with gyroplanes this month, great timing peter :)

  • @hamzashah5259
    @hamzashah5259 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    U cant even imagine how grateful i am as you posted this video man i have been working on rc Gyrocopter for almost a year its my high school project it has so tiny literature available and the problems i faced are more likely as you explained in your video really amazing thanks alot man

  • @5minuteprojectideas
    @5minuteprojectideas 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thank you for sharing Pete. Keep up the good work!!

  • @CobraDBlade
    @CobraDBlade 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Really looking forward to the full-size gyrocopter video. Partly because I had the hair-brained idea of using one to commute back and forth to work (my house and place of work both have long straight roads with no real obstacles that could work as makeshift runways). Don't worry though, I realized just how bad of an idea that was shortly after looking into the physics and mechanics of gyrocopters outside of movies.

    • @cameronlapworth2284
      @cameronlapworth2284 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There's a group of gyro flyers Chelslovaki gyro blokes that have nice enclosed two seater gyros. To the main wheels they've fitted electric motors like you have on an ebike not sure of the power. They land at airports all over Europe then tie up the blades and run the gyros to the nearest town have lunch or stay at a bed and breakfast or motel then drive them back. They can do 40km/h on the road and are road registered in the EU.

    • @halfrhovsquared
      @halfrhovsquared 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cameronlapworth2284 - They are known as "Gyromotion", FYI.

    • @cameronlapworth2284
      @cameronlapworth2284 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@halfrhovsquared ta it's a great idea when you consider say the PALV and its expense and complexity - yes PAL-V have made a faster more capable vehicle on the ground but massively overweight and you'd never really use it as a daily commute. These guys for much less money and more importantly significantly less weight modified an aircraft that can actually land then safely drive to the nearest town to refuel, or stay at a B & B etc. Sure not fast but hey they've toured all over Europe. Beautiful design.
      These low end simple uses of electric vehicles are all amazing. Mike Patey slinging e dirt bikes, one wheels all really cool.

  • @infinitytoinfinitysquaredb7836
    @infinitytoinfinitysquaredb7836 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Your technician ability, perseverance, WORK ETHIC and ability to laugh in the face of defeat never cease to impress. Your channel is unique. 👍😃👍

  • @pilotescort1
    @pilotescort1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really appreciate you showing up at Bensen Days with your super cool model gyro. Super pleasure meeting you too. Need more ppl with your enthusiasm. Thank you Sir from the Yamaha powered white 2 seat Snowbird gyro w teeth 👍

  • @RodrigoFernandez-td9uk
    @RodrigoFernandez-td9uk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    00:11 Autogyro. Fully pedantic. It would be cool to see one in tractor configuration,
    like those of the 30's.

    • @cameronlapworth2284
      @cameronlapworth2284 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yea they make check out little wings autogyro.

  • @fix_flix6976
    @fix_flix6976 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    build auto pilot in it

  • @jannepeltonen2036
    @jannepeltonen2036 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's nice to watch people do emergency landing practice on the real ones. They float down like maple seeds.

  • @MCsCreations
    @MCsCreations 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fantastic work, Peter! Well done!!! 😃
    Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

  • @coconutfleetsleeper5717
    @coconutfleetsleeper5717 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Fun fact, you can sail a boat by the same principle if you put the rotor vertical;)

  • @nagjrcjasonbower
    @nagjrcjasonbower 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So glad you finally did it!

  • @peteroman4297
    @peteroman4297 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I actually used to work on these before I began working on helicopters. You can call them “Gyrocopters” or “Autogyros” but you cannot call them “Gyroplanes”. “Gyroplanes” are actually different from a “Gyrocopter/Autogyros”. I’ve worked on them for quite a while.

  • @walk4718
    @walk4718 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Totally cool!!! I remember the Benson gyrocopters that came in when I was a young teenager. I dreamed of taking one of those on a cross-country trip.

  • @random_man2339
    @random_man2339 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can't wait to see the final version of the plane-o-copter

  • @Tony770jr
    @Tony770jr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have an RC gyro copter I got from Hobby King several years ago. It flies well, but like you said in your video, it takes a different skill set to learn to fly it.

  • @HueManatee
    @HueManatee 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    i love how it sounds like its screaming before it crashes

  • @dividingbyzerofpv6748
    @dividingbyzerofpv6748 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    @8:50 gyroscopic effect countering a tip stall.
    Smarter Everyday did something on this a few years back. It is also why the Chinook is like the fastest helicopter in our inventory due to the blades countrring that gyroscopic flare from asymetric lift.

    • @dividingbyzerofpv6748
      @dividingbyzerofpv6748 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Dual bladed counter rotating gyrocopeter maybe?

    • @cameronlapworth2284
      @cameronlapworth2284 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dividingbyzerofpv6748 no need no torque on autorotating blades hence no tail rotor. The flapping or teetering system works by automatically adjusting angle of attack.
      The advancing blade has more airspeed so lifts washing off some angle of attack the retreating descends increasing its angle. Result is equal lift around the disk.
      It also has the added benefit of equaling lift if you hit a thermal on one side or front first. In a fixed wing you often hit a thermal say on the left wing which tips the aircraft. In a gyro that blade lifts washing off some angle of attack the retreating blade drops so equal lift both sides and no bank or pitch change. I remember flying with a guy in an ultralight I was bored hands off the stick dangling my feet experimenting with gentle corrections sticking a hand out one side or the other and looked over at him and he was moving the stick this way and that swaying up down banking left and right I didn't even know any thermals had kicked off couldn't feel a thing.
      They are also fantastic in high wind bot only does it drastically shorten ground roll (I've literally taken off across a small grass airstrip and landed like a helicopter after it) but handled the 25 knot winds which had them grounded as they were across the strip. As I said very capable in high winds so long as you aren't travelling up wind because they are not fast or at least not safe at high speeds.

    • @dividingbyzerofpv6748
      @dividingbyzerofpv6748 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That I get. Mybresponse was to where he refers to the RCgroups thread on why the craft would stall out and roll over.
      Push a helicopter hard enough and they will all flare/stall due to the retreating blade lift differential because you can only compensate so far before it catches up to you.
      Double blades are a way to counteract that effect. Go watch the Smarter Every Daybepisode and rhe RC Groups thread.

    • @dividingbyzerofpv6748
      @dividingbyzerofpv6748 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      And my response was directly related to the effect he was seeing in his plate going eigid and preventing the correcting factors for retreating blade lift differential.
      That effect he describes where the craft would try to pitch up then roll over. That is the torque I am talking about.
      Centripidal forces like trying to turn a spinning wheel in your hands ehich applies a felt force. The blades spinning are the same. If the craft is going to try to roll/turn on an axis, then other forces will apply.
      Craft trying to roll over due to lift differential, counter force is likely the noted flare.
      That is what I was addressing with the smarter every day video.
      And that is where it would be interesting to see if a dual blade setup countered the effect even if it was not ideal.

  • @bigdadgigachad3042
    @bigdadgigachad3042 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pumped for this gyrocopter arc.

  • @LOKO22Bach
    @LOKO22Bach 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This explains a lot, I always found the way the gyrocopter behaved in 7 days to die (videogame) was very weird, this video makes it clear to me that it actually makes a lot of sense.

  • @surferchickay
    @surferchickay 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Okay this is awesome because you added the history in the beginning. Super interesting!

  • @YearsOfLeadPoisoning
    @YearsOfLeadPoisoning 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    ITS THE COUNT! IN HIS AUTO - GYRO!

  • @laizalott
    @laizalott 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’ve been working on expanding my gyrocopter fleet, was thinking no one else was interested in this kind of thing in the USA. So happy to see a new PeterSripol video on the subject!!! :)

    • @d.jensen5153
      @d.jensen5153 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've got half of a Scott Malone Soma and half of a Monte Hoskins 3D-RV. So, yeah, it was fantastic to see Peter diving into RC gyroplanes and taking lessons on a full-scale machine! Increasingly I live my aviation fantasies vicariously through Peter Stripol. ;)

  • @senorjp21
    @senorjp21 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's great to watch your process

  • @FarmerFpv
    @FarmerFpv 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I made a nitro autogyro with an RC plane fuselage and tail feathers using 4-layer wood foam and Kevlar cloth and resin which was vacuum bag sealed for the blades. I made a jig to get the shape while the layers were drying kinda like making a skateboard deck. It worked really well once I had the tail feathers at the proper size. I'm really fascinated with Gyrocopters. Best of luck on the full-scale one. You will do great.

  • @jamesjudson67
    @jamesjudson67 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    love your videos, keep em coming

  • @thespacepotato6325
    @thespacepotato6325 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I had to build one of these for a Spanish assignment once. Went as well as it sounds

  • @stjimmyjohnoful
    @stjimmyjohnoful 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You must feel proud massive achievement well done 👏

  • @barneylegend1023
    @barneylegend1023 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The second I found out u uploaded my day just got 1000x better

  • @saveitforparts
    @saveitforparts 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I never knew how hard these were to get off the ground! Really cool video!

  • @papamidnightfpv
    @papamidnightfpv 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think if the free spinning prop had controls like a heli and the fan had only rudder for yaw, then when you add throttle it pushes the craft forward and up like a pendulum gaining elevation. I think by having the 'gyro' style prop unrestrained it tilts back causing drag and lift but when you add the thrust vectoring rudder it increases the angle of attack exponentially but only on one blade which is why the crazy roll every time. The way you did it is different than I would but it's crazy you got it to fly :) I hope you build more of these love your work.

  • @FredHsu
    @FredHsu 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You are such an inspiration for me.

  • @stealhty1
    @stealhty1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent , what a coincidence,I purchase a Cierva C30 Model about 10 yrs ago are about to finish it this month, thank you for all the heads up

  • @ToverT
    @ToverT 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    LOVE the video AND the editing, as a fellow youtuber, i can tell you put in a LOT of effort. anyways, good video, keep it up

  • @memejeff
    @memejeff 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Super cool man, really like that you made something that most people probably never have heard of. Thank you for the info, will build one of these babies myself.

  • @warrenchinn9015
    @warrenchinn9015 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    That was magnificent, in all ways. Thank you - and please take care in that full size model...

  • @pierreretief
    @pierreretief 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Peter been following you for YEARS. Love all your videos. Please just be super careful, my colleague's son died in a gyro-copter crash, at 21, it was his first job as a pilot, the wind was quite strong that day. So if the weather is sketchy, rather skip and fly another day. Good luck and thanks for the awesome content!

    • @cameronlapworth2284
      @cameronlapworth2284 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Good training has always been an issue with these machines. Even many instructors are qualified but hopeless. I've had several friends die in them. With good instruction they are very safe especially in rough weather. Getting good instructors out there has always been a challenge.
      Like early hang gliders there have always been cowboys. Unfortunately many of the current instructors were trained by cowboys who were trained by cowboys many of whom taught themselves.

  • @airlemental
    @airlemental 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am used to watching you crash a few things at the beginning of one of your experimental builds, but wow. I’m scared to find out how many parts you had to make over and over. There were so many smashey smashey times. I’m glad you are persistent. ^.^

  • @ohillbilly
    @ohillbilly 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I remember seeing ads for plans for them in the backs of Popular Science or Mechanics, (maybe both) back in the early 70's. Seemed like it looked like a gocart with props.

  • @T3chpat
    @T3chpat 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Damn, haven't watched your channel in "a while" but the production value is really taking off! Keep it up 🙏🏻

  • @gcolwill
    @gcolwill 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I built a GyroBee decades ago (Lazybee, but with a rotor on top instead of fixed wings) thinking the tractor configuration (prop in front) would be more stable than the pusher configuration (prop on the rear). This was my first and last (so far) RC aircraft build, so the fact that I wrecked it was probably due more to my inexperience than anything else. It did have three blades and that flexible triangle thingie instead of a proper teeter totter type rotor mechanism, so your video makes a lot of sense to me.

  • @petersmythe6462
    @petersmythe6462 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is re-living multiple KSP engineering nightmares lol. Gyrocopters do like 80% of these things in Kerbal as well. Especially if you build them without mods or DLC.

  • @valentino_govoni_official
    @valentino_govoni_official 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    finally you back to youtube

  • @jonalthaus
    @jonalthaus 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very nice build, keep up the good work love watching your videos.

  • @joshpit2003
    @joshpit2003 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I can't wait for the full-scale build series!
    And I really want your opinion on sketchy fixed-wing vs sketchy auto-gyro.
    Just don't do the one thing that you are never supposed to do in a gyro or you will bunt-it out of the sky.
    :-o

  • @worldwidestuff5567
    @worldwidestuff5567 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Best thing about autogyros is they handle winds amazingly well.

  • @paulmakinson1965
    @paulmakinson1965 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The physics of autorotation is just brain boggling. I studied it as a helicopter technician. Understanding it is what saves you in a helicopter when your engine quits and you have to do a dead stick landing.

  • @killermed95
    @killermed95 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great job and awesome video!

  • @pcka12
    @pcka12 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The Bond Gyrocopter was very definitely real, & flown by a British (former RAF) pilot & gyrocopter builder.
    In the 1930s the British had at least one squadron of gyro planes!

    • @halfrhovsquared
      @halfrhovsquared 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Apparently, we used gyros in Britain for testing and calibrating our radar stations but it was a very closely-guarded secret at the time and their role in the war has only really become public knowledge, recently.

  • @amitaimedan
    @amitaimedan 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Always a wonderful day whenever you release a new video.🙏👌

  • @woofwoofmotherfuckers
    @woofwoofmotherfuckers 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Finally someone has found the answer to one of Rusts biggest debates lol

  • @murdoch9106
    @murdoch9106 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love helicopters! And damn it if Gyro's arent even cooler... we were gonna get a really cool one for MSFS 2020, a very fancy one, but it seems to been delayed, so sad! Anyway, this was super cool, watching the crashes hurts! Cant wait for more of this!! :)

    • @bwc1976
      @bwc1976 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was just beginning to wonder if they were possible in MSFS! So glad someone is already working on one.

  • @GreyWuff
    @GreyWuff 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You should look up the Rotordyne, it's a gyrocopter that was being made for passanger service. It had at least 1 prototype that flew, but unfortunately didn't go into production.

  • @DeuxisWasTaken
    @DeuxisWasTaken 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "The autogyro is incredibly safe unless you stall it by doing the exact thing every airplane pilot does when threatened with a stall - point the nose down."