@@-BUFFALOMan Track record so far for the full sized planes... a forklift crashed into my plane at an airshow while filling a performer with smoke oil, and a few years later I had another "incident" where the field was soft and I flipped her over on her back. Insurance saved the day on both incidents, and the upside-down extreme chiropractics fixed a lower back problem I've been having for years!
If you have given up trying to fly RC AIRCRAFT AFTER SO MANY CRASHES. COMING FROM A LARGE RADIO CONTROL FLYER FOR OVER 40 YEARS . DO YOU FEEL AIR CRAFT IS YOUR PASSION. WILL FULL SIZE BE ANY BETTER. AS THE COST IS A HUNDERED TIMES MORE AND WITH FULL SIZE YOU COULD END UP SPLATTERED ALL OVER THE AIRFIELD.
Hey ! That’s my mini van with the hood open ! I lost a plane on that lake ! My friend Kevin got a canoe and picked it up the next day at least I got the engine back ! Thank you Kevin !
I am a pilot and that seems like a dangerous flying field for big fast movers like that. Too bad that happened. Beautiful jet and awesome flying skills.
Landing is still the most beautiful aerobatic maneuver ever. Cause you get to try it again! Money can buy "the" experience, but it sure can't buy "the necessary" experience!
A short easy test flight and then thorough check would have been the prudent thing to do. Then a longer more trying flight. But this was so much more fun.
That's so sad. I couldn't imagine how he feels crashing such a beautiful jet. My most expensive jet cost me around $800 and when I crashed it I was devastated, but the time and expense he put Into that jet I'm unable to fathom. I hope that he was able to retrieve the turbine and other important bits. I never glee whenever someone crashes their airplane no matter the cost.
A good job it didn't come down on to a car on the road! Interesting though that the owner would push it so much on its first flight! More money than sens, it seems to me.
@@babooseven Regardless maiden flight or not, the wings folded...wings don,t break in, they break up. I agree though, you take a short flight, bring her in and do a complete check.
@@contractscanadabb7629 yeah, that was the point. Admittedly I'm just a spectator but I'd like to think that there would have been some cracking or warping before the wings gave way. As they say tho. Hindsight is 20/20
So, Henry pushed his new jet powered rc plane to the structural limits on maiden flight, not landing after 5min checking all is ok, just showing off, but also potentially endangering drivers on that highway nearby (due to total lost of control), or did I missed something? O.o Nevertheless, sad loss of good plane.
At 2:50 he went so over AOA you can hear it. Pretty sure whatever structural element he had for the wings was done at that point and it was just a matter of time before it fell apart.
Well, considering the loss of the wing happened at 3:10 in the video, I'd say it's a safe bet he didn't land after 5 minutes to check if everything was OK.
@@rcchaser Just finally good to see the overlooked RC Chasers get a little credit for all their courage and work behind the scenes. We could not do it, if not for them.
Seems like some very high G maneuvers. Don't know why the plane was flown so aggressively. I wouldn't have flown a $400 E-jet that hard on a first fight. Flying an aircraft this large needs to be more methodical than just going up and going right to the limits of the envelope. Sorry, but in my arm chair opinion it was a pretty unsafe flight. At 2:50 of the video is when I thought the wings would fold, man that was a lot of stress on that wing. An aircraft that large also needs a stepped approach to high speed. Flutter is a big issue on such a large aircraft.
New Jet pulls 30G's first flight! Or $30K. I thought the exact same thing. Clearly, the pilot skill was impressive. But a series of shakedown flights with close inspection for cracks both internally and externally could save the insurance company big dollars. What? No insurance? Ouch.
I have the same opinion , first flight spouse to be gentle. Apart from this, I wouldn't have flown so close to people and cars - one mistake, or technical problem could cause disaster on the ground. Henry anyway : don't worry , bright side is that the next model will be more beautiful , I am sure about it.
This was not the maiden flight the first two flight were very different. But like everything on the internet people do what’s needed for views and if a title says and inflated price and catchy title for more views then it is what it is. And I speak from direct experience because I was the pilot and it was my plane. This was structural wing failure and design flaw that is being fixed by manufacturer. This was a prototype aircraft not a production model. But if all that was put on title it would not have 60+k views.
Sorry for the loss. At least it was a model. Many home built aircraft and their builders suffered similar fates going back to before the Wright brothers.
I would be all over the manufacturer of that plane. There is no excuse for a plane that expensive, just falling apart in a gentle maneuver like the one you did.
Sorry for the loss of such a beautiful beautiful plane and all the expensive electronics, man that sucks!. The wing broke at the start of what looked like a gentle loop to me so something must have broke or fractured before that. Sorry to the owner of that. 2020 what a year!.
Relatively speaking that wasn't that much of a hard up elevator I've seen a lot sharper and it did not break wings on those models. EA Havocs are close to this size, get whipped around like foamies and their wings don't break.
Thank God it dident hit any cars on the hwy way, that would of been aboslutly terrible. As an RC flyer myself this is heart breaking to watch. Thank you for sharing!
It would be interesting to hear from the kit manufacturer after they watch this video. I don't know what the plane is rated for but that was some pretty heavy wing loading.
Everyone spending so much money on rc planes really should make an emergency parachute for moments like this! I have made one for my 1k plane, it has its own battery, servos and receiver independently from rest of the system and it really worked when my plane's battery connector came loose mid air (it was my fault) and the plane was uncontrollable. One push of a button and I saved my plane with minor damages.
That was a pretty aggressive first test flight. A few laps with the gear down and a subsequent once over would have been more prudent IMO. At the 2:48 mark, there is a pretty hard pullover and resultant high wing loading. I'll suggest this is where it stressed the wing spar and then the following pull up from the dive at 10:04 was the final straw. Hard to watch all that hard work (and cash) meet it's demise.
@@daviddavids2884 and how much experience do you have flying heavy complex RC planes? ANY maiden should involve a series of easy going test flights to check out systems and look for stress cracking and other component issues such as connection, loose bolts etc. This individual broke the the first Rule of Modeling "Don't do anything Stupid". This could be as simple as a broken, or loose wing bolt.
@@Hornet135 and how do we know that???? Based on the title (the only info we have to go on) the manoeuvres were bonkers. I’m sorry you think I’m bonkers for not being a mind reader
Once the plane fell apart, the crowd gasped. Everyone was looking for a parachute, but none was never sighted. I salute the brave pilot who went down in the water. 👨✈️👩✈️🧑✈️
Hobbies cost no matter what .my former father in law was a pilot he was building an amphibious pusher for retirement .the kit had a flaw that cost 3 owners lives .he cut it apart,rebuilt the wings with corrections rebonded them to the plane and donated it to the local aeronautical highschool to finish and auction off, took a tax rightoff
For 30k id want at least a KABOOM and a mushroom cloud! not just a lousy kerplunk. Oh yeah I'd also have it insured for manufactures defects. Its odd the missing parts were the most expensive parts.
I was listening to The Eagles Take it to the limit while watching this video when the wing broke they were singing the line if it all fell to pieces tomorrow would you still me mine. He took it to the limit! 👍
@@humbertoandrade6367 I don't fly planes that are that expensive but still would be interesting for me to save a plane, can you explain to me how you made your parachute system?
@@adelaseeri768 Unfortunately I do not have pictures, I built two small compartments with two opening systems, the first was driven by a servomotor, the second was mechanical, connected with a thread to each wing, if one of the wings breaks, the thread opens the compartments with the parachutes, I built two compartments, because in the first test the parachute broke due to the speed, in the second test the first parachute slowed down and the second did the job
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think you can see the wings flex in some of the maneuvers earlier in the video. Wasnty the jet load tested before flight? In Germany, models this large have to be inspected by some official person, which includes loading the model's wings with sandbags to simulate several G's. Otherwise they aren't permitted to fly.
@@sophiejaysstuff4026 after seeing this and similar jets disintegrate during seemingly normal maneuvers, those regulations make quite a lot of sense. Also it would have saved the pilot a lot of money and work. If the jet had failed the ground tests, he could have rebuilt the wings accordingly and have ended with a structurally solid aircraft.
@@sensualeye I think it does make sense for models that large. Germany is densely populated, you don't want an uncontrollable cruise missile striking you or your property. Also, you can fly really big planes without inspection. Only from 25kg, they have to be inspected.
It's tough being there when a large project plane crashes . A friend crashed a Bi Plane so I crashed my Styker jet so He'd feel better . He said that did'nt help .
Now that’s a good friend. Haha!!! I tried something similar when my friends wife cheated on him. I slept with her to and man did he get mad! Some people are ungrateful.
$30k and no on board camera, flying in an area with pit falls that can claim the entire craft permanently, should have seen it coming. Should built in an emergency chute with the kind of value. I wonder if that tight loop at 2:50 and the flat spin that followed did the trick for the wing failure.
Thats Markham Park, South Florida, you should look it up on maps before you go into keyboard warrior mode. That model, correctly built should have handled anything thrown at it. I think he either forgot to put the spar in or a there was a flaw in materials.
@@MrCarrizojim Never going to go through that kind of trouble to look up a location as insignificant as my assumption on the matter for the net, where it's common place and to be expected,. Regardless of what it should have been capable of, it didn't achieve it. I think that's the real take away from the video Jim, don't mind me, as I have no appreciation for spending more on a model plane, than it would take to get one you can actually fly in. No offense.
Any area one would fly an RC aircraft of any type, especially in this jet's post-unscheduled-disassembly state, is rife with "pit falls that can claim the entire craft permanently" . Lest one can alleviate the dangers associated with "ground". That statement invokes Flat Earth levels of disdain from me. As an FPV flyer, ("pilot" is too gracious a term, while "builder/crasher" sounds crass), a part of me agrees with your insinuation that there should have been a camera onboard. Because there should be a camera on everything. My quads. My planes. My helicopters. My dog. All FPV. However, if my FPV dog's leg fell off, I'm not sure my Eagle Tree tracking station would save him. Poor dog. Also, why aren't my habits your habits? I don't think a previous event caused stress that ultimately led to failure. I'm fairly certain that the Unrestricted Climb, or Zoom Climb, and stress induced created a more acute failure, as the bending moment and shear loads from wing to the fuselage are incredibly high during the transition to vertical. If I were to guess, the model was built overpowered, and probably heavier than what it's spar was designed to tolerate. So faster, and heavier, with the expected results, is my assumption for what it's worth. I love the idea of the 'chute. I saw it in another comment previously, and award that author all the credit you also deserve. It's a silly idea for almost every application I've seen it on, but this... Yes. 100% yes. Of course, there is the issue of water in this case, (and everywhere else in this State, but as you pointed out that danger assumed by the guy with the transmitter, amirite?). "Common place" and "to be expected" does not absolve consequence. It wasn't a good defense when I was four, when I was taught the story of not following a group off a bridge. Jim must have had a spar experience, like me. They do tend to fly loose without 'em. Once. ô¿ô
@@GhostRyderFPV This kind of follow up by the OP could have alleviated speculation altogether and I'm in full agreement with "not following a group off a bridge", because I was taught it as well. I was also taught to be careful, so as not to get the "You'll know better next time", speech. There are far more important things to labor about than internet testimony. I'm just pointing out as a manner of principle that something of that value is worth far better precaution than what it was afforded, especially given the small investment, relative to the potential risk of loss. Heck, a little foam filling in the fueselage to serve as a ballast so that it would at least float would have been worth it to me. Whatever can go wrong will go wrong, especially when you're least prepared for it. Get your car stuck on an old train track you've never seen a train on. There will be one coming that day. Appreciate the input.
@@xjet If they had taped the registration number across the bottom of the wing, the wing probably wouldn’t have failed. If they are just stuck on anywhere, they serve no useful purpose at all.
The exact thing crossed my mind. On a couple of those maneuvers it looked to me that he flew over that highway. That "accident" could have been much worse IMHO. Most RC fields are in more isolated areas for just these reasons.
@@wollins2 Besides the highway, on the other end of the field they're regularly flying over a parking lot, and active park road and pedestrians. There is NO WAY jets should be allowed to fly at this field (as jets tend to fly deeper and faster than prop planes, and also take higher skill levels to fly \ land safely). This is about the fifth video this poster has put on TH-cam showing jets crashing at this field, and I've seen LOTS of questionable flying and skills. IMHO it's only a matter of time before some innocent bystander gets seriously hurt at this field.
Been there done that.....it looked awesome while it was in one piece 👍👍I love model airplanes.... But ones control is lost on a beast such is that then it is a cruise missile.....lucky no-one got hurt.... 👍👍👍👍
I was at a rc fly in event and saw 2 planes collide and they stuck together. One pilot still had throttle and the other still had steering. They worked together and steered the 2 planes away from the spectators before they crashed.
There are 2 ways to test the strength and integrity of the construction: 1. Put the aircraft upside-down with sand bags on the wings to test whether it can stand the expected G forces in flight 2. Just fly and make all kind of crazy maneuvers until the wing brakes off With a 30K usd model aircraft, I would chose version 1. But if you got enough money to waste, version 2 will do as well.
Thats Markham park RC FLT FIELD in FLL I lost an airplane in that same canal!!!!! Haha mine only cost 35 bux!!! Anyways there's gators in them there waters y'all be careful.....
Such a beautiful jet and such a good pilot, terrible that a structural failure caused wing loss, what would be cool is to include a emergency parachute in your next build. I know you were not expecting it to happen on this one but if it happens again you may be able to save it with a chute. Lookin forward to seeing more from you.👍🌏
@@AZAce1064 well, dave, why don't you come up with a way to FIT one into the airframe, and to Accommodate the increase in mass/auw. a useless helpful comment, is JUST USELESS. cheers
That's Markham Park in fort Lauderdale Florida. I used to fly there a lot years ago, also used to fish in that pond right there big ass bass in there. And the place is infested with ticks. Should have done a 10g static test on that airplane before you flew it since it appears to be a one-off design.
Not yet! Henry bought a RC submarine with cameras and it should arrive next week. I hope we are not too late....treasure hunters may have beaten us to it.
That’s why I keep ALL my rc aircraft below $1k
That’s why I keep all my aircraft below $150
@@scoodles_1083 very true scott never invest anymore than you are ultimately prepared to loose in this hobby!😃👍
Weird flex? You'll just make it up in quantity.
I've never been with a "10"...
But I HAVE been with five "2's".
😄😄😄
@@GhostRyderFPV At least you're going to crash them one by one eventually, 10 times more fun.
I crashed so many RC planes I finally bought a full sized one to save money.
😂
But you can crash that one mostly only once ;-)
And the experience of crashing is as close to reality as it can be ;-D
@@-BUFFALOMan Track record so far for the full sized planes... a forklift crashed into my plane at an airshow while filling a performer with smoke oil, and a few years later I had another "incident" where the field was soft and I flipped her over on her back. Insurance saved the day on both incidents, and the upside-down extreme chiropractics fixed a lower back problem I've been having for years!
If you have given up trying to fly RC AIRCRAFT AFTER SO MANY CRASHES. COMING FROM A LARGE RADIO CONTROL FLYER FOR OVER 40 YEARS . DO YOU FEEL AIR CRAFT IS YOUR PASSION. WILL FULL SIZE BE ANY BETTER.
AS THE COST IS A HUNDERED TIMES MORE AND WITH FULL SIZE YOU COULD END UP SPLATTERED ALL OVER THE AIRFIELD.
Lol hahaha, nice!
I truly feel so bad for the owner. This is a hobby of real passion,so that's gotta break hearts.
Hey ! That’s my mini van with the hood open ! I lost a plane on that lake ! My friend Kevin got a canoe and picked it up the next day at least I got the engine back ! Thank you Kevin !
I am a pilot and that seems like a dangerous flying field for big fast movers like that. Too bad that happened. Beautiful jet and awesome flying skills.
Landing is still the most beautiful aerobatic maneuver ever. Cause you get to try it again!
Money can buy "the" experience, but it sure can't buy "the necessary" experience!
Wouldn't a test flight be a relatively short gentle affair, then land and do an inspection?
derrrr this was a short flight. and, made shorter, when the port wing decided to FALL OFF.!
@@daviddavids2884 No.... It was a series of acrobatic manoeuvres, some of them quite severe...
@@seansinclair3023 no. you are SEEING things that are NOT there. suggest you have that Problem LOOKED AT. out
Yes
A short easy test flight and then thorough check would have been the prudent thing to do. Then a longer more trying flight. But this was so much more fun.
As close as I can figure, that fun cost about $10,000 a minute.
😂 Best comment yet 👌🏼
It's cheaper to fly the real thing..
Some women cost that much between the boff and the divorce.
@@Easy-Eight He still has that to look forward to now she knows how much his toy cost.
Hunter Biden style!
If I dropped a $30K RC plane into a lake like that and it sank, You bet your sweat ass, I'd be doing some swimming...
$2000 for SCUBA gear and a couple of lessons, which I can get $1500 for when I'm done. Hell yeah, I'm going swimming!
Idiots with more money than brains.
@@joshrandall3632 only 3 meters deep I'll be going down with fins and a mask if it was clear enough ;)
You could bet your ass I'm going swimming for that damn thing
That's so sad. I couldn't imagine how he feels crashing such a beautiful jet. My most expensive jet cost me around $800 and when I crashed it I was devastated, but the time and expense he put Into that jet I'm unable to fathom. I hope that he was able to retrieve the turbine and other important bits. I never glee whenever someone crashes their airplane no matter the cost.
eh if you are flying a 30k jet. chances are you can afford to crash it.... if you can't afford to crash it then you probably shouldn't be flying it.
Thanks for sharing. Takes a lot of work and passion to build something like that.
When you spend $30K to build an R/C jet and the wing comes off the first flight, that is God’s way of telling you that you have too much $$.
And that you're not an aerospace engineer..
that is one way to interpret the data. cheers
God takes care airplane not to hit car on highway...
Pretty much....and for 30 grand I can swim12 ft deep for a 8 grand turbine toy motor 😁☺😇
@@redblue40rc33You're on! Lets sweeten the deal and add alligators to the mix, I assume that's how the lake got it's name. 😉🤣
Build an F-15 . they can land with one wing.
I've seen the video of that incident, downright incredible it was!
Henry, thanks for keeping the rc sport in business!
not the sport,,, the hobby shops
I feel sad about your loss. Greetings from Germany and despite the tragedy a happy new year!
Thanks Germany... We know you guys build them well! Happy New Year!
Major props to the person filming... awesome tracking skills!
A good job it didn't come down on to a car on the road! Interesting though that the owner would push it so much on its first flight! More money than sens, it seems to me.
i would be speaking to the manufactures about that, the wing should not have folded like that
Let's get this comment to the top!!!
_(just beneath mine)_
Boring otherwise tho. ;-)
Pushed hard for a maiden flight
@@babooseven Regardless maiden flight or not, the wings folded...wings don,t break in, they break up. I agree though, you take a short flight, bring her in and do a complete check.
@@contractscanadabb7629 yeah, that was the point. Admittedly I'm just a spectator but I'd like to think that there would have been some cracking or warping before the wings gave way. As they say tho. Hindsight is 20/20
So, Henry pushed his new jet powered rc plane to the structural limits on maiden flight, not landing after 5min checking all is ok, just showing off, but also potentially endangering drivers on that highway nearby (due to total lost of control), or did I missed something? O.o Nevertheless, sad loss of good plane.
At 2:50 he went so over AOA you can hear it. Pretty sure whatever structural element he had for the wings was done at that point and it was just a matter of time before it fell apart.
@@3dCraddock I agree.
Big planes require big patterns to not over g. That plane was not designed for high alpha aerobatics
So, status quo for pilots at this field. I would NEVER fly there.
Well, considering the loss of the wing happened at 3:10 in the video, I'd say it's a safe bet he didn't land after 5 minutes to check if everything was OK.
Yep, pretty much.
A heartbreaking loss of such a beautiful plane.
Now I know where to get a turbine !
A trashed one. It's junk
When you forget to install the spar in your wings
Stunning observation!
@@rcchaser Just finally good to see the overlooked RC Chasers get a little credit for all their courage and work behind the scenes. We could not do it, if not for them.
It was good of you to post this people can learn from it but I am sad for your loss.
A sad event. Well flown by the pilot and nicely presented in the air. R I P
Seems like some very high G maneuvers. Don't know why the plane was flown so aggressively. I wouldn't have flown a $400 E-jet that hard on a first fight. Flying an aircraft this large needs to be more methodical than just going up and going right to the limits of the envelope. Sorry, but in my arm chair opinion it was a pretty unsafe flight. At 2:50 of the video is when I thought the wings would fold, man that was a lot of stress on that wing. An aircraft that large also needs a stepped approach to high speed. Flutter is a big issue on such a large aircraft.
New Jet pulls 30G's first flight! Or $30K.
I thought the exact same thing. Clearly, the pilot skill was impressive. But a series of shakedown flights with close inspection for cracks both internally and externally could save the insurance company big dollars. What? No insurance? Ouch.
Nothing less stressful than full knife edge 🤣
I have the same opinion , first flight spouse to be gentle.
Apart from this, I wouldn't have flown so close to people and cars - one mistake, or technical problem could cause disaster on the ground.
Henry anyway : don't worry , bright side is that the next model will be more beautiful , I am sure about it.
My thoughts exactly, take it easy on the maiden flight. Very lucky that it didn't land on the road.
This was not the maiden flight the first two flight were very different. But like everything on the internet people do what’s needed for views and if a title says and inflated price and catchy title for more views then it is what it is. And I speak from direct experience because I was the pilot and it was my plane. This was structural wing failure and design flaw that is being fixed by manufacturer. This was a prototype aircraft not a production model. But if all that was put on title it would not have 60+k views.
Sorry for the loss.
At least it was a model. Many home built aircraft and their builders suffered similar fates going back to before the Wright brothers.
Wow! Absolutely beautiful aircraft, sorry to see that happen!
Nearly dropped onto the highway! 🥶
That orange balaclava doesn't look ridiculous at all.
Whoa there!! I thought the orange balaclava was the one stylish aspect of the video!!.... I'm a big fan of orange.....
30 grand. Crying shame. T'was a real beaut,, flying so nicely too!
Follow the RC flyers' creed:
1. Buy
2. Build
3. Fly
4. Crash
5. Repeat
I would be all over the manufacturer of that plane. There is no excuse for a plane that expensive, just falling apart in a gentle maneuver like the one you did.
Sorry for the loss of such a beautiful beautiful plane and all the expensive electronics, man that sucks!. The wing broke at the start of what looked like a gentle loop to me so something must have broke or fractured before that. Sorry to the owner of that. 2020 what a year!.
That hard up elevator @2:48 looked bad. Im sure that didn’t help the wing failure.
Yeah I saw that. It didn't help.
Relatively speaking that wasn't that much of a hard up elevator I've seen a lot sharper and it did not break wings on those models. EA Havocs are close to this size, get whipped around like foamies and their wings don't break.
@@edfhobbies556 Pablo’s EA havocs are built strong and can take huge G loads...
Thank God it dident hit any cars on the hwy way, that would of been aboslutly terrible. As an RC flyer myself this is heart breaking to watch. Thank you for sharing!
@MAD GRUMPYMAN Erm... He didnt say it was any worse.
@MAD GRUMPYMAN Ah, ok...I understand now, fair enough.
Maiden flight and you fliy like this,, you as PIC deserved just what you asked for and it aint the planes fault,,
Awesome effort .. when pioneering sometimes things go wrong.. great video ..
Best Skymaster promotional ever 👌🏻🤣
It would be interesting to hear from the kit manufacturer after they watch this video. I don't know what the plane is rated for but that was some pretty heavy wing loading.
Yeah when I used to fly r/c kit planes I always made modifications to beef them up if i thought they needed it, eg thicker wing spars..:)
The kit manufacturer will tell you that the damage was done at 2:52 when he pulled 20G by snaping into the flat spin. 100% pilot error.
Looks like Spiderman to the rescue!
Dammit man!! It was flying so good too. If i was there i would have used one of my drones to try and locate the fuse.
Markham Park! I used to take the kids for a tailgate picnic watching the planes! Good times
Learned to fly Sig senior Kadet , Markhem park 1985
@@leefithian3704 Wow! A very nice place to cruise and hang out and fly R/C planes!
Sorry to see it just the same. Hope you recover the turbine and radio gear, but it is likely to be for posterity after going into the water while lit.
RIP to all souls lost. There were no survivors.
Lmao
Everyone spending so much money on rc planes really should make an emergency parachute for moments like this! I have made one for my 1k plane, it has its own battery, servos and receiver independently from rest of the system and it really worked when my plane's battery connector came loose mid air (it was my fault) and the plane was uncontrollable. One push of a button and I saved my plane with minor damages.
My Sebart Avanti did the exact same thing. Never have had a wing explode before.
Wow!!!great video 🥰
Thank you! Cheers!
You could see a couple of maneuvers he pulled hard. Nice plane
Well done to you for taking the risk that all RC involves. So unlucky to end up in the lake. Good luck to you for the next one.
That was a pretty aggressive first test flight. A few laps with the gear down and a subsequent once over would have been more prudent IMO. At the 2:48 mark, there is a pretty hard pullover and resultant high wing loading. I'll suggest this is where it stressed the wing spar and then the following pull up from the dive at 10:04 was the final straw. Hard to watch all that hard work (and cash) meet it's demise.
you don't know what you are talking about.!!! it was clear that 1) everything was looking fine, then 2) the port wing half FELL OFF. cheers
@@daviddavids2884 lol. Aircraft wings don’t ‘fall off’.....
@@daviddavids2884 and how much experience do you have flying heavy complex RC planes? ANY maiden should involve a series of easy going test flights to check out systems and look for stress cracking and other component issues such as connection, loose bolts etc. This individual broke the the first Rule of Modeling "Don't do anything Stupid". This could be as simple as a broken, or loose wing bolt.
I thought he was pushing his luck. Just do a shakedown flight. Check it out. Perhaps he would have noticed some stress in the post flight inspection.
Need to have the FAA investigate that one.
Agreed - stall turns and inverted loops is bonkers for first flight. Do some circuits, land, check the structure. There could have been fatalities!!!
@@problemchild1976 The only thing bonkers around here is you. This wasn’t the first flight, the video is title is incorrect.
@@Hornet135 and how do we know that????
Based on the title (the only info we have to go on) the manoeuvres were bonkers.
I’m sorry you think I’m bonkers for not being a mind reader
Looks like the spar burst through the wing skin. Load concentration. Complex composite requires proper stress analysis.
Good eye. Initially, my assumption was an over-stressed spar, (too high AUW), but see an intact spar peeking through a failing rib as well.
I think we just watched him peform a Russian rocket style 'stress analysis'. (Fly it and see what breaks, then build a beefier one.)
Or there was no central tube: Forgotten?
@@rcchaser Would it have even lasted that long without it?
What a total bummer. That was a beautiful model.
For an experienced pilot he showed a lapse in judgement putting that much g force on those wings. I bet he wishes he could do that flight over again.😆
It is watching this heartbreaking video that makes me glad that I have no hobbies.
Once the plane fell apart, the crowd gasped. Everyone was looking for a parachute, but none was never sighted. I salute the brave pilot who went down in the water. 👨✈️👩✈️🧑✈️
Hobbies cost no matter what .my former father in law was a pilot he was building an amphibious pusher for retirement .the kit had a flaw that cost 3 owners lives .he cut it apart,rebuilt the wings with corrections rebonded them to the plane and donated it to the local aeronautical highschool to finish and auction off, took a tax rightoff
For 30k id want at least a KABOOM and a mushroom cloud! not just a lousy kerplunk.
Oh yeah I'd also have it insured for manufactures defects.
Its odd the missing parts were the most expensive parts.
Good luck with that.
I was listening to The Eagles Take it to the limit while watching this video when the wing broke they were singing the line if it all fell to pieces tomorrow would you still me mine. He took it to the limit! 👍
Should have used or made some kind of a ballistic parachute system, if your investing that much might as well try and make some kind of a backup
I agree that was a great plane with a great pilot next time use a parachute system to save your work as much as possible.
I did exactly like that, I install a parachute system, this system save to me 6.5k$ in one crash.
@@humbertoandrade6367 I don't fly planes that are that expensive but still would be interesting for me to save a plane, can you explain to me how you made your parachute system?
@@adelaseeri768 Unfortunately I do not have pictures, I built two small compartments with two opening systems, the first was driven by a servomotor, the second was mechanical, connected with a thread to each wing, if one of the wings breaks, the thread opens the compartments with the parachutes, I built two compartments, because in the first test the parachute broke due to the speed, in the second test the first parachute slowed down and the second did the job
@@humbertoandrade6367 thank you for the explanation will definitely do some kind of back up system.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think you can see the wings flex in some of the maneuvers earlier in the video.
Wasnty the jet load tested before flight?
In Germany, models this large have to be inspected by some official person, which includes loading the model's wings with sandbags to simulate several G's. Otherwise they aren't permitted to fly.
That's why I don't live in Germany :(
Germany has some of the best regulations in the world.
@@sophiejaysstuff4026 after seeing this and similar jets disintegrate during seemingly normal maneuvers, those regulations make quite a lot of sense.
Also it would have saved the pilot a lot of money and work.
If the jet had failed the ground tests, he could have rebuilt the wings accordingly and have ended with a structurally solid aircraft.
@@sensualeye I think it does make sense for models that large. Germany is densely populated, you don't want an uncontrollable cruise missile striking you or your property.
Also, you can fly really big planes without inspection. Only from 25kg, they have to be inspected.
@@sophiejaysstuff4026 Because you like your expensive rc planes, that are big enough to kill someone, unverified?
It's tough being there when a large project plane crashes . A friend crashed a Bi Plane so I crashed my Styker jet so He'd feel better . He said that did'nt help .
Now that’s a good friend. Haha!!!
I tried something similar when my friends wife cheated on him. I slept with her to and man did he get mad! Some people are ungrateful.
@@MrCarnutbill67 : )
I guess you should of spent an extra 5k reinforcement...
I guess you should have paid attention in English class
$30k and no on board camera, flying in an area with pit falls that can claim the entire craft permanently, should have seen it coming. Should built in an emergency chute with the kind of value. I wonder if that tight loop at 2:50 and the flat spin that followed did the trick for the wing failure.
Thats Markham Park, South Florida, you should look it up on maps before you go into keyboard warrior mode. That model, correctly built should have handled anything thrown at it. I think he either forgot to put the spar in or a there was a flaw in materials.
@@MrCarrizojim Never going to go through that kind of trouble to look up a location as insignificant as my assumption on the matter for the net, where it's common place and to be expected,. Regardless of what it should have been capable of, it didn't achieve it. I think that's the real take away from the video Jim, don't mind me, as I have no appreciation for spending more on a model plane, than it would take to get one you can actually fly in. No offense.
Any area one would fly an RC aircraft of any type, especially in this jet's post-unscheduled-disassembly state, is rife with "pit falls that can claim the entire craft permanently" .
Lest one can alleviate the dangers associated with "ground". That statement invokes Flat Earth levels of disdain from me.
As an FPV flyer, ("pilot" is too gracious a term, while "builder/crasher" sounds crass), a part of me agrees with your insinuation that there should have been a camera onboard. Because there should be a camera on everything. My quads. My planes. My helicopters. My dog. All FPV.
However, if my FPV dog's leg fell off, I'm not sure my Eagle Tree tracking station would save him. Poor dog. Also, why aren't my habits your habits?
I don't think a previous event caused stress that ultimately led to failure. I'm fairly certain that the Unrestricted Climb, or Zoom Climb, and stress induced created a more acute failure, as the bending moment and shear loads from wing to the fuselage are incredibly high during the transition to vertical. If I were to guess, the model was built overpowered, and probably heavier than what it's spar was designed to tolerate. So faster, and heavier, with the expected results, is my assumption for what it's worth.
I love the idea of the 'chute. I saw it in another comment previously, and award that author all the credit you also deserve. It's a silly idea for almost every application I've seen it on, but this... Yes. 100% yes. Of course, there is the issue of water in this case, (and everywhere else in this State, but as you pointed out that danger assumed by the guy with the transmitter, amirite?).
"Common place" and "to be expected" does not absolve consequence. It wasn't a good defense when I was four, when I was taught the story of not following a group off a bridge.
Jim must have had a spar experience, like me. They do tend to fly loose without 'em.
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@@GhostRyderFPV This kind of follow up by the OP could have alleviated speculation altogether and I'm in full agreement with "not following a group off a bridge", because I was taught it as well. I was also taught to be careful, so as not to get the "You'll know better next time", speech. There are far more important things to labor about than internet testimony. I'm just pointing out as a manner of principle that something of that value is worth far better precaution than what it was afforded, especially given the small investment, relative to the potential risk of loss. Heck, a little foam filling in the fueselage to serve as a ballast so that it would at least float would have been worth it to me. Whatever can go wrong will go wrong, especially when you're least prepared for it. Get your car stuck on an old train track you've never seen a train on. There will be one coming that day. Appreciate the input.
I agree with that emergency chute..
Whoops. That (was) worth more than my real plane. Much sympathy.
Very skilled flying.
That would never have happened if the model had a Remote ID system :-)
WHAT............ REMOTE ID YOUR KIDDING I HOPE.
@@jeffholsinger3356 Of coures... do you not know who I am or whatI do?:-)
It’s nice to see a veteran TH-camr personality comments on my novice channel!
@@rcchaser :-)
@@xjet If they had taped the registration number across the bottom of the wing, the wing probably wouldn’t have failed. If they are just stuck on anywhere, they serve no useful purpose at all.
Lucky that plane didn't land on someone. Seems like a bad location for an RC field.
The exact thing crossed my mind. On a couple of those maneuvers it looked to me that he flew over that highway. That "accident" could have been much worse IMHO. Most RC fields are in more isolated areas for just these reasons.
@@wollins2 Besides the highway, on the other end of the field they're regularly flying over a parking lot, and active park road and pedestrians. There is NO WAY jets should be allowed to fly at this field (as jets tend to fly deeper and faster than prop planes, and also take higher skill levels to fly \ land safely). This is about the fifth video this poster has put on TH-cam showing jets crashing at this field, and I've seen LOTS of questionable flying and skills. IMHO it's only a matter of time before some innocent bystander gets seriously hurt at this field.
Camp savage life. Hysterical.
do not worry. have health and you will do something new
Been there done that.....it looked awesome while it was in one piece 👍👍I love model airplanes.... But ones control is lost on a beast such is that then it is a cruise missile.....lucky no-one got hurt.... 👍👍👍👍
Emergency chute deployment should have lessen the crash impact..have it on my xuav clouds uav.
3 hours later and the 40 foot ladder it was back in the hanger.
Alot of drama and hang time in those summer leaves.
Good job he cleaned his mess up last thing he needs is a fine on top of all that xx
Markham park gets pretty busy lucky that no one got hurt. Flying like this a new plane is just reckless.
??? it is not clear what your second sentence is Supposed to say.!!!!
EA Havocs are nearly this size, get whipped hard and their wings don't break. Let's pray the maker of this jets makes this incident right
I was at a rc fly in event and saw 2 planes collide and they stuck together. One pilot still had throttle and the other still had steering. They worked together and steered the 2 planes away from the spectators before they crashed.
Oh man!! I know the feeling...
That’s a bit aggressive for a shakedown flight. Might have been a good idea to do an inspection before all the aerobatics?
YOU do NOT know what you are talking about. feel free to NOT attempt to argue with me, on this.!!!!!!
😢 did Henry have to sleep in the dog house? Sorry for loss. Beautiful bird.
Nope. His wife was helping look for the fuse containing KingTech 450 turbine. I think it's over $5000 for that turbine.
There are 2 ways to test the strength and integrity of the construction:
1. Put the aircraft upside-down with sand bags on the wings to test whether it can stand the expected G forces in flight
2. Just fly and make all kind of crazy maneuvers until the wing brakes off
With a 30K usd model aircraft, I would chose version 1. But if you got enough money to waste, version 2 will do as well.
you do NOT know Enough to have an opinion, tony.!!!!!!!
It’s beautiful. Was beautiful
Thats Markham park RC FLT FIELD in FLL I lost an airplane in that same canal!!!!! Haha mine only cost 35 bux!!! Anyways there's gators in them there waters y'all be careful.....
Not the way early flight testing is conducted but I feel for the pilot.
bla-bla-bla the flight was going, FINE, then the wing Decided to FALL OFF.!!!!
I would cry!
O dear so beautiful the pain I could weep start again old chap
Beautiful build and awesome flying👍
Such a beautiful jet and such a good pilot, terrible that a structural failure caused wing loss, what would be cool is to include a emergency parachute in your next build. I know you were not expecting it to happen on this one but if it happens again you may be able to save it with a chute. Lookin forward to seeing more from you.👍🌏
@@AZAce1064 well, dave, why don't you come up with a way to FIT one into the airframe, and to
Accommodate the increase in mass/auw. a useless helpful comment, is JUST USELESS. cheers
You know for $30k you could have bought a decent REAL airplane and gone somewhere
yes may be a 172.
Uhh no. You can get a used 172 from like the 70’s for like, $200,000 minimum
@@ndrew3 You can get a early 70’s Cessna 172 for under $100,000, mid 50’s go for under $30k
You could get a kit fox for that.
@@ndrew3 no an early one for $25K and up depending on equipment.
I’ve lost a few thousand dollars at that field, I love that place!
I recon the negative G pushover was when the damage was done. And is it possible to fit emergency parachutes to these things?!
Please document the recovery of the fuse and turbine
Pilot bought a rc tethered submarine to look for the turbine.
Looked like it landed on the freeway
That was some excellent piloting. Too bad the plane wasn't equal to it.
That's Markham Park in fort Lauderdale Florida. I used to fly there a lot years ago, also used to fish in that pond right there big ass bass in there. And the place is infested with ticks. Should have done a 10g static test on that airplane before you flew it since it appears to be a one-off design.
It could be argued that the owner should be prosecuted for endangering the public. It was not a random failure event but reckless flying.
Oh snap!
That hurts just looking at it!
Wow! Great looking plane until .... Did you find the fuselage? Happy New Year! Keep up the good work :)
Not yet! Henry bought a RC submarine with cameras and it should arrive next week. I hope we are not too late....treasure hunters may have beaten us to it.
@@rcchaser Good Luck, fingers crossed :)
I hope you can salvage the fuselage. Water may not do much damage to the electronics but the turbine might be able to be rebuilt.
It wouldn't be the first time I/someone forgot to put the spar in. Been there, done that and seen others do it - or not do it.
True. I’m not sure if it did happen with this model, however.
My planes are now built out of 3 sheets of dollar tree foam. Total investment is about 20 bucks all in.
wow. yer mom must be So proud. doh
Subbed and Liked and i‘m so sorry about that 😢 did you dived and found the fuselage? Best greets from rcmodelflyer
NO the big turbine still under water.
Such a shame! Just heart breaking to see. I'm so sorry. Costly lesson.