How the Keystone XL Pipeline Got (So) Political | The New York Times
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- As Congress begins a new hearing on the Keystone XL pipeline and President Obama threatens to veto a bill authorizing its construction, here’s how the 1,179-mile pipeline became so political.
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One of the issues that was not mentioned was the seizing of peoples lands by privately owned companies for these pipelines.
I've never heard the issue raised in serious conversation. I generally find this to be an important issue, and dislike how the federal government regulates some environmental issues to the point where victims have obstacles to suing, but the government can fine perpetrators. It's clearly a type of theft, here, stealing from victims.
But, yes, proper compensation and long term care for these types of projects is an important issue, and I'd like to see people be properly compensated with long term business value plus a premium purchase value. Many times it seems oligarchs get favors from politicians and less connected land owners or users, pay the price.
Note that Utah is regaining control of some or most? of its own public lands. This seems like a great improvement to avoid these Bundy ranch type things, where the federal government doesn't seem to know what is going on and the local law enforcement considers them cattle rustlers (felons) because of how they attempt to do business.
David Lowery- You can thank congressional republicans and lobbyists for the lack of regulations and especially the Koch Bros.
lindsncal No, it's the regulations themselves that are allowing the environmental harm by removing culpability...
***** "CLEBURNE, Texas, March 24, 2014 /PRNewswire/ -- North Texas family members have won a $2.1 million verdict against a pipeline company after their parcel of land lost value because an easement was taken for a gas line. This marks the third time Texas property owners recently have prevailed in similar eminent domain cases.
The Johnson County dispute represents a fundamental debate between the pipeline industry and Texas landowners: Does a pipeline devalue only the narrow easement strip or some larger portion of the overall property? The jury agreed that land outside the easement lost value."
There is also some very interesting information on the safety of pipelines..such as are they susceptible to natural disasters? Do the pipelines give off harmful gases? etc. on a site forensic-appraisal.com
Just wanted also to say the people in the mountains of West Virginia and Virginia have gotten "so political" because of the proposed Atlantic Coast Pipeline
eminent domain?
All I hear about is the jobs ,my understanding in the jobs are temporary one to three years
Better than no jobs, 3 years of overtime work on this line could pay off half a house.
@Beel Zebub using a phone or computer we can tell you are part of the problem, you’re on the grid as well...
@@michaeless658 See now you miss my point I am saying ultimately the big corporations are the ones who benefit the most out of this these people may be making a lot of money for 3 years but they will be out On the street looking for a job and will have no benefits also let's be for real You need to work at least 25 solid years in order to really retire
@@michaeless658 Guess the fact that part of it was going to go through Sioux Reservation & they didn’t want it because of the cancer causing agents i it doesn’t matter to most of you.
It's okay, the US has fought hard in the middle east and has a constant safe source form there. Oh ya, and it's also okay Opec oil isn't more environmentally friendly...🙄🙄🙄
Shipping oil from the MiddleEast around the South of Africa in huge tankers running on kerosene sounds so much better...
@Mark Smith actually the sad thing is....the surplus oil doesn’t come from the ground, it comes from offshore tankers from corrupt foreign governments who don’t have environmental standards...
What a terribly incomplete summary
Oil is used for many other things other then gasoline, the Alberta Oil sands are one of the most cleanest sites I've worked on in Canada. If you buy Canadian oil, The money will not be used to support terrorism. People need a better education to learn where the money goes when they buy oil from Saudi Arabia. Shutting down the Keystone XL will just mean more oil into the USA from Saudi Arabia.
America doesn't get its oil from Saudi Arabia it gets it from America
Thousands of workers have ave been laid off from the massive North Dakota oil field. Why? The supply exceeds the demand. The demand is predicted to continue dropping. It makes no sense to buy Canadian oil.
@@mrbrainbob5320 Not anymore. It's importing 7-8 million barrels a day. Just over 50% comes from Canada, but it could be more if not for the more soft-brained Americans. And yes, Saudi Arabia, which despises the US with a passion, from its people up to its shockingly comic-book-evil ruler, provides some of it (and in fact always did, even during that vanishingly brief period when the US stopped being a net importer).
@@jimbrew4529 more oil more money and more jobs there's no exceed in demand there's always a demand especially for oil
@@melona01 There was little demand during Covid, and massive lay offs in the North Dakota oil fields.
they forgot to give 10% to the big guy now they suffer
You can tell who the uneducated viewers are when they use that “big guy” statement.
@@JT-pt5tl Hey Mex, the Big Guy is the CrackHead's, Father.
@@peanutsmcgonnagle2458 Mr Trump?
Hey, comment from the past. It looks like the payoff to the Big Guy didn't get Ukraine much, but that pipeline could have been used to flood the market with cheap oil to stop a world war.
@@ReisterJP so true
HUNTER BIDENS PIPELINE IS STILL OPEN IN THE UKRAIN !!!!!!!!!!!
Notice that at 1:00 minute the New York times moderator says: "the project itself will have limited environmental impact" At 1:20 he says: "the environmental movement has long rallied around symbols", At 4:39 Michael Levi (Counsel of Foreign Relations - who usually dismisses protests) says: "the environmental groups that pushed this, have succeeded". After a million unpaid people have gone the opposite direction from the industry, corporate media, and politicos like Michael, he admits it was protest and protest alone that has nearly killed this dinosaur!
This vid is a media piece that seeks to paint the environmentalists as simple minded, easily missing the point, and attracted to making trouble. He is exactly describing the fossil fuel industry.
The idea behind this project was that the Us & Canada would have a final product for less then what they pay for via the fuels they buy from the Arabs.
The D in Democrat stands for *"division"*
Aren’t you the pot calling the kettle black!
And 2 native tribes DID NOT give them permission to go through their lands. That type of stuff has got to stop, its not the 1800. Respect the sovereignty of native lands
Nobody wants to give up land, it’s always taken by someone else, now it’s done by paperwork, not guns
How so few overtrew so many.
Limited environment impact= Allow it
Maybe right now a good compromise would be to finish this pipeline and not use it. That way if there is another national emergency (colonial pipeline) we will be ready for it. This pipeline if needed could also transport natural gas or water. Dr Roberts, Pharmacist
That would amount to a multi-billion donation from a Canadian company to the people of the US.
I am shocked to see this coming from a person who clearly knows how to read and write. Btw, what is a doctor doing selling pills at retail?
@@dixonpinfold2582 thats true, i see your point.
Let’s see... The same amount fuel would be shipped around the globe from OPEC. Ships that can easily be stopped or cut off multiple ways. One being how the Suez Canal was shut down. The colonial pipeline came under attack closely followed by attacks against Israel. Those attacks could easily disrupt oil shipping from OPEC driving up the cost of oil regardless of what treaties were signed.
So a guaranteed import method keeping prices stabilized is not a bad thing.
Too bad they didn't listen huh?
Trusting NY times is ugh hmmmn. It’s difficult
Blood for Oil! Blood For Oil! Blood For Oil!
Use the Alaskan pipeline as an example, that was a disaster! Pipes corrode and leak and guess what they are going to leak. Those pipelines jobs were temporary!
I don't think people take the time to really study the actual report center issued buy TC Energy. The oil that is being extracted from the sand pits is extremely heavy and acidic. To move the oill through the pipes requires a temperature of 185 degrees.
Yep
@@deebingham5338 False. It is simply diluted with a small amount of very light crude or other light refined petroleum liquid ('condensate'), both of which are long proven to be right at home being moved by pipeline, and then moves at the same temperature as ordinary crude. Look at this research from the Transportation Research Board, a division of the National Academy of Sciences: onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs/trnews/trnews290sr311.pdf
In future, please try not to make things up.
You know the oil companies would have made a mess of things like they do. Then the tax payers would have to pay for the clean up.
As a Journeyman Plumber, I'll tell you that the pipeline is going to have issues, breaks, etc, because all plumbing systems do. you'll get a major stress crack over a body of water and that's it. Not worth it imo, but we've already destroyed the ozone, the ocean and the reefs so may as well destroy the freshwater too lmao
The pipeline is now canned i believe
SO youd rather be dependent on others? THey can jack the price up anytime they want. I dont know about you but I like being able to drive my own car and not depend on someone else to take me places. Bottom line, its worth the risk
@@breadfan9 it's worth contaminating our drinking water?
@@dvach6352 happens everyday. No reward is without risk. Ever heard of Flint Michigan? And I don't drink tap
If you're a journeyman plummer, that's a good thing dude. That means that you'll have more opportunities for employment and money, but you're probably allergic to money and cling to laziness, war and poverty.
Green Cross ..lol..
They seem to not care that the pipe goes over Native American lands. They might care if it was next to their own homes.
Kinda like the gas, water and electric lines to everyone’s homes
NaTiVe AmErIcAnS
Get 300 rigs in Alberta working not this .
Any disruption in Middle Eastern oil will cost the United States trillions of $ because we have to send our military(ground troops) in to secure the supply chain. Haven't we learn anything from Kuwait and the Iraq wars?
that .....is call a money maker ..... and it gives the environmentalists a perceived win ...meanwhile the arab suppliers have zero environmental laws ....they could care less ...what a joke
When you get down to basics keystone xl was a 1200 mile storage tank driven by market price. You can have 50 pipelines but only one outlet it does not increase availability it’s just storage.
Its not just storage. Its a means of transport. ANd yes, it is storage IN NORTH AMERICA AND NOT IN ASIA
Yes ,the key stone xl pipeline clean energy !!!??? Flow the crude oil crisis & natural gas safety
Bring jobs ,jobs, jobs in the north America economy, economicist state that!!!??? THE federal Government get tax money from that less accidents in transport oil &natural gas & bring prices down too!!!???
,FEDERAL GOVERNMENT GAIN TAX MONEY FROM KEYSTONE XL PIPELINE !!!???
Storage? There would be 800,000 barrels of oil running through it daily. How is that storage? What are you smoking?
Thousands of acres of land saved
Medications are made from oil derivatives. Blood for Oil!
What about the coal trains going to Vancouver BC from Wyoming and Montana to unload for export?
@Beel Zebub businesses don’t fail, people do
Harper is a terrible for Canada.
On the contrary, Harper was an excellent PM.
@@raynus1160 I wonder how people who loved Trudeau feel now
The pipeline itself is almost invisible.
Both sides are correct,we need the pipeline for more oil,however we need too look at the effects of gas and diesel long term,in twenty years smog will make the air worse and electric might be the way too go.
Oil sands is the dirtiest oil on the planet, typically used for the manufacture of plastic, not gasoline. Crude oil is cleaner and is used to produce gasoline. Oil sands can be refined into gasoline but the process is far more involved. This means it is more expensive than refining crude oil. The refineries will consume more electricity, causing the power companies to produce more power, causing more pollution. The oil sands was destined to be exported, not refined.
What people don't realize. Is to be independent of foreign oil. Gas needs to be 3.00 plus a gallon.
Zat working yet?
0:27 Everyone should take a good hard look at. No OPEC. We insist on denying crude production and transportation within North America, yet continue to ignore and rely on foreign oil from Countries with essentially zero ethical standards, sub-par environmental regulations and oversight, and non-existent women's rights. However, we continue to think that opposing pipelines will somehow condemn crude production and we'll all go green and renewable. What a joke. Stopping these pipelines is in the best interest of those that it will directly effect and put out of business. The agendas hidden behind "Environmental protection" and "Indigenous rights" is alarming and it's a shame that a majority of media outlets refuse to expose the truth.
Good point
Sticky subject
A paycheck is not justification to continue fracking! Move on to renewables!
3:20 "recent lower oil prices"
Lol, get a fricking clue man!!!
You failed to notice the video is 7+ years old.
Yet here they are buying tons of oil barrels from Russia. 😂
Tesla cars,and other electric cars will replace gas cars probably by 2035,Washington State has already approved a bill by 2030 you will no longer be able to buy a gas car in that state.
Hmmm. 3 massive recent pipeline spills and today another pipeline explosion. But sure, let's let a foreign nation run a massive tar-sands oil pipeline across the US so that foreign nation can make money poisoning the environment so we can have 40 jobs. 40. My little company hired 40 new workers last year, which presented no danger to anyone and required no one to have their land taken from them by force.
It goes through Indian Land- & we all know how that goes! - Have to work on another solution. 🤔🥴
hopefully the replacement of harper will change canada's direction as well
They always leave out why the pipeline has to go all the way down to the gulf. It's because the oil is not meant for the US consumers, but to sell the oil to other countries.
The oil refineries are down south by the gulf. It has to be refined down there.
@@denisenoonan1089 There are oil refineries all over the states and in Canada. But the gulf region has the main termina port for import/export.
Lol sands are not meant for refining into gasoline
Who owns the railroad that transports the oil now, that if completed the pipeline would deliver?
The railroad does not leak oil
There is a town in Quebec that would argue otherwise. I mean they would if it wasn’t mostly incinerated.
I came up with three rail companies: Canadian National, Canadian Pacific, and Kansas City Southern.
@@terrygartner8367 Prof. Gartner, you seem to be the only person on Earth who thinks crude by rail is safer than by pipeline.
It's record breaking cold those workers are lucky . Saved from freezing to death via global warming. Ok sure enough.
Hats and gloves 🎩 🧤
So what a gather Canada does not have any oil refineries of their own? If this is true how about they build one on their beautiful coastline and run the pipeline to say Vancouver. As a large landowner I have no interest in them building a pipeline across what I value more than anything other than my family. I am leaving my kids my legacy and it does not include a pipeline. Would you want this built on your land? Many do not respect those of us who love our land, work our land, farm are land, ranch our land, its ours and they have no right to infringe on.my legacy.
British Colimbia has almost no refining and the highest prices for gas. Looney left wing province.
I have seen true green eneegy destruction.
I been in construction for 35 years and i can tell you this CANADIAN OIL AND GAS IS BY FAR THE MOST FRIENDLY ENERGY IN THE WORLD.
Look around this planet-since the 1900's the consumption of oil has risen--the petrochemical industry is king--everything from medicine (chemistry)- plastics of all sorts(rubber for cars) well it isn't,now is a oil derivative,electronics,phones.Go have a good look around your life-even clothing, oil again- steel its strength comes from coal mixed with the iron,a malleable metal too weak needs carbon from coal to give it strength to be called steel--pipelines are safest means of moving oil-keystone pipeline,well the oil is already moving south on BNSF trains-Warren Buffet/s 2 mile long oil specials,waiting for disaster-Education without science and physics in this modern world is no education at all-just leaves you IGNORANT and AFRAID
The other keystone pipeline has had massive leaks (600,000gal between 2017-2019) i fail to see why we should allow the same company to make another pipeline when they’ve shown they’re not responsible enough with the one they had.
Your argument is that b/c Fossil fuels are in every industry we shouldn’t try to limit it? Why not seek alternatives? There is a foundational difference between using coal to make steel and needlessly refining oil sands into a usable fuel when we’re in an oil glut already. Ones necessary for infrastructure and one isn’t.
with 2.5 million miles of various pipelines in the country how does the spill of half an olympic size swimming pool of oil compared to a rail disaster,just look at Magnetic quebec.No matter which company name appears usually the same workers steel and gov inspectors will be used.It is far more cost effective and usually safer.I'am sure Warren Buffet likes the greenbacks he makes--Its obvious you never took chemistry or you would realize.what the world would look like without the organic products.I;am from the technical world and realize a lot more--take a basic chem course and it will open your eyes @@lucasbendit7564
The Koch brothers leased all the oil sands in Canada. The Koch brothers are big republican donors. It's bad for democrats for rich republican donors to make money. That's how it is as I make it.
You made that up. The Canadian oil sands are not leased to anyone. Even if they were, I'd like to see the Koch brothers lease an asset worth over $10 trillion. Stick to comic books, which portray a world you can understand.
Propagandist newspaper.
Sometimes I don’t see the point of voting if big corporations are going to overpower the people’s votes just saying
No point in arguing in America the person with the biggest wallet always wins eventually. I am glad my kids will be raised in a would like that.
In world history it is always those with the most powerful means of war that wins.
Think like Elon, ditch Oil
LOL electric cars use energy to be built and used, A LOT of energy and that comes from “dirty” sources. Don’t drink the kool aide. I’m with you in ditching oil but we need NUCLEAR to power our world but neo-hippies are afraid of nuclear because they’re uneducated.
That statement doesn’t make any semester because electricity comes from oil....
That true , safety oil & natural gas , travel the oil crisis & natural gas too!!!!???
Coal mining is next.
While the Keystone XL was cancelled, the original Keystone Pipeline has had 22 leaks 2010 to 2022.
Yep, nothing like 1000+ miles of environmental disaster waiting to happen on....American soil
But hey, at least it benefits....wait, Canada and China?
Hmmm
With friends such as the US, Canada doesn't need enemies.
@Mark Smith Agreed. Our two countries need to look elsewhere for alliances now that you have a Biden/Democrat government. Standby for Russian/Chinese/Iranian/North Korean military bases north of the 49th parallel.
@Mark Smith I worked in Fort McMurray (oilsands central) some years ago when the US was "not" oil self-sufficient and considered the "oilsands" a strategic resource. That would wean it off "hostile" foreign oil (Saudi Arabia/Venezuela/etc.). Canada agreed whole-heartedly that our best friend and ally, the US, was the best customer for our oil. Canadian oil companies invested $100s of billions to develop the oilsands to meet this need only to be painted as environmental pariahs by past and present Democrat administrations. How times have changed. Like I said, Canada needs to look elsewhere for allies.
@@joebush1663 I worked in the oil business in Canada, what you say is absolutely true.
Open Oil Pipelines from Canada to USA. You Tube.
And this nonsense is why I'm no longer a member of Nat Geo.
These pipeline worker's say they've been laid off of work what do you expect from building a pipeline? It was a contract I'm sure and once you've finished the job what's their to do? Stand around staring at it?
Das crazy
So... Greeny weenies... How do you dispose of a wind turbine blade after its life expectancy. Which is not long maby only twenty-five years
You know we recycle metal, right?
Look up who cleans up after a retired wind farm. Sure steel towers are recycled but what about the blades made out of carbon fiber??? No landfill will take this rubbish understand... Further more to understand the carbon imprint or as you will to even make a single blade on said wind turbine far exceeds the emissions on ten fossil fuel burning common vehicles. Ten fold over it took At least twentyfive diesel burning vessels to make this wind turbine even possible... At one time.... With their pants down.... Who needs a spanking here...
@@dagnabbitwabbit please refer
Canada needs to invite China and Russia to put military bases in Canada just north of the 49th parallel.
You seem like a real people guy. You know, the kind of person other people really like to be around. I'll bet you have a lot of friends.
@@pallidbustofpallas4679 Most people can't stand me because I'm always right.
@@joebush1663 You don't say? See, now that part I wouldn't have guessed about you.
@@pallidbustofpallas4679 Why don't people like you? Body odor?
@@joebush1663 And here I thought we were starting to hit it off. Oh well. I guess I'll go back to my life and you can go back to encouraging communist countries to intimidate the West with nuclear weapons and stuff. Hope that works out for you buddy, have a nice day.
Still using dirty oil. what a disgrace !
Try living without it.
@Well This sucks
You'll be very hungry.
This is worth a watch:
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Modern medicine would not exist without oil.
@Well This sucks bruh that’s sick
The term "Non-Renewable Resource" should be all the evidence you need to take the path toward long lasting sustainability.
Leave my V8 alone