There was a plan for a reconstruction of the train line between both capitals but it didn’t worked out and then they funded the Belgrade Budapest high speed rail line after. I would like to see it done soon
It's bit ridiculous to , practically, have speed train Belgrade - Budapest which connects two cities in 2h10' and haven't similar to Zagreb. Speed of 160 for this line is not good enough. But, seems that priority is with newly started high speed line to Niš and Skopje , than recostructing scenic line Beograd - Bar. I suppose that Serbia could do it's part to Šid/Vinkovci relatively easy, since it's just around 100 km through flat fields. Zagreb has a bigger challenge in that endeavour.
Pruga Budimpešta - Subotica - Beograd - Niš- Skoplje - Atina je pruga koja spaja luku Pirej sa centralnom Evropom, ta pruga je trn u oku Turskoj jer ona preko Bosfora kontroliše luke Konstanca i Burgas. Luka Bar je veoma mala u odnosu na Pirej zato se ubrzano gradi ova pruga. Geopolitika.
Serbian rail cars do not havw air conditioning (not multiple unit, but old style rail cars). Croatian railways argue that they will not sell tickets if there are no air-conditioned rail cars in train. Meanwhile, in Belgrade-Bar line, you can have airconditioned car, non-airconditioned sleeper or even a car from Tito blue train.
Hopefully we will soon have a new, completely rebuilt and modern HIGH speed railway and new high speed trains that goes from ZG-BG directly. (KISS200 maybe?) Meaning something similar with the current ongoing project between BG-BUD and the new 200+kmh trains that will go there. There are no two more similar nations in Europe then the Serbs and Croats in terms of culture, mentality and language... historically quite different in the way of thinking and what we did but other then that... basically the same. (same goes for people from Bosnia&Herzegovina)
@@ventilatorbgd Large population of Serbs lives in Slovenia and Austria. You should think of a bigger picture. Also, a lot of Croats (and tourists in Croatia) would hop on a train for a day visit to Belgrade. Plus we Serbs would want to visit Zagreb as well. So, generally speaking, this is a win-win for everybody.
Polako se privodi kraju pruga BG - SU. Nemci već testiraju sa 200/h. Ostaje kroz Mađarsku. Tada će Austrija biti na izvolite. Što se tiče Bg-Zg,Hrvati su odvalili nemoguću taksu,pa su pregovori oko linije Bg- Ljubljana prekinuti.
Great,...I'm doing something similar, just like to travel by train and bike to extend point of interest. If you coming to Serbia pls call to do some video together,... maybe.
Political problem of Croatia that don't won't reconstruct train line with Serbia. Don't worry after 2025 go Zagreb Budapest , belgrad with fast train 200km . In this moment 2024 can go Budapest Szeged and local train to Subotica soon this year about September October will bee finis fast line fast train to Novi sad and to belgrad.
Apply for a work visa in nearest embassy, not sure where it is, i know we have it in qairo, but we have some in subsaharan africa, but not sure where any more, usually one embassy covers few countries, but google it, use the internet. But why croatia first of all, do you have some connections? And what vocation you work in? If you work in deficite vocation, you may get a visa, if not, then not very likely, a work visa that is ofc.
Its just politics,Croatia dont want to have trains to Serbia .Also reason then did not repair Zagreb to Serbian border highway in ages so its so bad that when you drive all the way is like you drive on rail road ,constant dum dum on your car ,you can only drive in left line
@@edLogo IF you dont care you know that there is EU also south and east off Serbia,by this they also cuted Greece and Bulgaria from rest off EU by rail
@@edLogoTako ste pričali i za Rumuniju i Mađarsku pa su vas pretekli ekonomski sada ste dno dna EU. Srbija danas ima vozove od 200km dok vi "jurite" 160km, uskoro će preko Srbije ići pruga Budimpešta - Pirej koju će koristiti cela EU dok će te vi ostati da kao slepo crevo Evrope čekate turiste od juna do avgusta. Vidimo se u budućnosti.
@@srdjanspasic1458 Hm, morao bih te podsjetiti da je Zapadni Balkan dno dna (sa prugom, ili bez pruge). Hrvatska je u grupi zemalja sa Madarskom i Poljskom, bolja od Rumunjske, puno bolja od Bugarske. Vi ste gori i od Bugarske. Tu prugu imate samo zato sto ona treba Europi. Te autoceste koje sada gradite i sa kojima se hvalite, je u Hrvatskoj napravila ista firma (americki Bechtel) jos prije 20 godina. Nemojte se cuditi kada vam Vucic pocne pricati da imate najbolje autoceste na svijetu, tako su i nama pricali. Jer, svaka nova autocesta je najbolja na svijetu kad se napravi, onako nova. A onda pocne stariti, lol.
opusteno mi zavrsavamo ovo ka Madjasrskoj a krenuli smo i da radimo novu traku ka Grckoj a posle toga verovatno ima da gradimo da povezemo Republiku Srpsku, tako da ne brini se ni ne razmisljamo o hrvatskoj
@@MarioPetrinovich kome da se izvinem 🤔koliko mi je poznato niti smo mi napali Austriju niti Madjarsku. niti Nemacku a u okolini Srbije smo probali braniti svoj narod i sta tu ima da se izvinjavam bilo kome.
@@vesnanuspahic7510 Tvoj narod je jos do nedavno sastavljao svaku hrvatsku vladu, od cega ste ga branili? Eto, ja imam 62 godine, ja cu ti reci zasto su Srbi u Hrvatskoj digli ustanak. Srbi u Hrvatskoj su bili povlastena kasta. Medutim, dosla je demokracija, a u demokraciji vlada vecina, a ne manjina. A Srbi u Hrvatskoj su tvrdili da oni imaju pravo da imaju veca prava od Hrvata, da je njima jos Marija Terezija dala veca prava, te da se oni tih vecih prava ne zele odreci. A vi ste ih branili od toga da imaju ista prava kao i svi drugi. Hrvatska je bila srpska kolonija, a vi ste jos i danas ljuti na Hrvate sto im vise ne vladate.
No, it's 100% political, it's all about vucic, he has pure hate for croatia and croats in his heart, and what hurts him the most is serbs visiting, working and especially vacating in croatia, he publicly denounced it several times on tv, he isn't keen on car traffic either, but can't do a thing about it, but he'd rather if serbs migrated thru hungary only. It's visible, as e.g. their national tv car show that regularly does car routes to the sea coast never came to croatia, they did all the routes to montenegro, albania, greece, bulgaria thru the years and did croatia forst time last summer, two routes if i'm not mistaken. But he isn't keen on train to montenegro either, it's their main import port, yet they only have seasonal passenger train in the summer, vucic is so weird, always has some chip on his shoulder, a radical since his youth, did pretty bad record for his own country, reverted it back to the 90s mafia excuse for a country unfortunatelly.
Yes, it is 100% political decision but the side to be blamed is Croatian side. Few years back Serbian Railway Company proposed to Croatian railways to join the joint project of the Belgrade-Zagreb high-speed railway. The representatives of the Croatian railways refused them with the explanation that they are not interested to invest in the railway infrastructure in the direction to Serbia or Belgrade. After that, Serbian Railways proposed the same project to the Hungarians and the Hungarians accepted it. The Chinese got also involved in the project, as part of the Belt and Road initiative, with the idea of connecting the port of Piraeus (Athens) with Europe via Budapest and Vienna with a high-speed railway. This Croatian decision, which has no rational explanation other than nationalism and hatred, resulted in turning Slavonia into an appendix (dead end street) The seaport through which the most goods are imported to Serbia is not port of Bar in Montenegro, but Rijeka in Croatia, and when the high-speed railway from Piraeus is completed, Piraeus will most likely become the main port for Serbian import/export. Vucic does not determine which travelogues will be made by the privately owned company SAT, but that rather determines the number of passengers to a specific destination, which is important for the viewership of the travelogue itself. Serbs travel to Croatia as tourists, but that number is still low compared to Greece, Montenegro and, in recent years, Albania, which has become increasingly popular. The reason is the negative travel experiences that people had, because of license plates or language they spoke.
Serbs are not welcome in Croatia. On the other hands, Croats visit Serbia with no any problems. We see a lot of passengers cars with Croatian plates in Serbia. Opposite is not the case (except transit).
As a Croatian I can confirm this is not a reason why there's no train that was always trafficking between these two countries but now is just shameful. Politicians will learn their lessons only when they lose votes.
Actually Serbia wanted a high speed railway to Zagreb and Ljubljana earlier but Croatia did not want that. Now we will have a high speed railway to Budapest. The plan is for high speed railway traffic between Vienna Budapest Belgrade Skopje Thessaloniki and Athens. With a line branching of to Bulgaria from Niš all the way to Istanbul eventually. 🙂
This is partially correct... There is a train that goes from Slovenia and other parts of Europe to Serbia or just passes through... maybe with one or two stops
Watched this video again today because I saw it on Reddit. Love the work you do! Cheers from Argentina!
Nice video.
Greetings from Serbia
There was a plan for a reconstruction of the train line between both capitals but it didn’t worked out and then they funded the Belgrade Budapest high speed rail line after. I would like to see it done soon
It's bit ridiculous to , practically, have speed train Belgrade - Budapest which connects two cities in 2h10' and haven't similar to Zagreb. Speed of 160 for this line is not good enough.
But, seems that priority is with newly started high speed line to Niš and Skopje , than recostructing scenic line Beograd - Bar.
I suppose that Serbia could do it's part to Šid/Vinkovci relatively easy, since it's just around 100 km through flat fields. Zagreb has a bigger challenge in that endeavour.
Pruga Budimpešta - Subotica - Beograd - Niš- Skoplje - Atina je pruga koja spaja luku Pirej sa centralnom Evropom, ta pruga je trn u oku Turskoj jer ona preko Bosfora kontroliše luke Konstanca i Burgas.
Luka Bar je veoma mala u odnosu na Pirej zato se ubrzano gradi ova pruga.
Geopolitika.
Serbian rail cars do not havw air conditioning (not multiple unit, but old style rail cars). Croatian railways argue that they will not sell tickets if there are no air-conditioned rail cars in train.
Meanwhile, in Belgrade-Bar line, you can have airconditioned car, non-airconditioned sleeper or even a car from Tito blue train.
Thanks for video😊
Agreed. I travelled to Croatia 2 years ago, and found the Croatian railways to be in much better condition than the Hungarian Railways.
Hopefully we will soon have a new, completely rebuilt and modern HIGH speed railway and new high speed trains that goes from ZG-BG directly.
(KISS200 maybe?)
Meaning something similar with the current ongoing project between BG-BUD and the new 200+kmh trains that will go there.
There are no two more similar nations in Europe then the Serbs and Croats in terms of culture, mentality and language...
historically quite different in the way of thinking and what we did but other then that... basically the same.
(same goes for people from Bosnia&Herzegovina)
Directly over Banjaluka. That would have some sense for Serbia other than that what tha hell would somebody do in Zagreb?
@@ventilatorbgd Large population of Serbs lives in Slovenia and Austria. You should think of a bigger picture. Also, a lot of Croats (and tourists in Croatia) would hop on a train for a day visit to Belgrade. Plus we Serbs would want to visit Zagreb as well. So, generally speaking, this is a win-win for everybody.
Polako se privodi kraju pruga BG - SU. Nemci već testiraju sa 200/h.
Ostaje kroz Mađarsku.
Tada će Austrija biti na izvolite.
Što se tiče Bg-Zg,Hrvati su odvalili nemoguću taksu,pa su pregovori oko linije Bg- Ljubljana prekinuti.
Great,...I'm doing something similar, just like to travel by train and bike to extend point of interest. If you coming to Serbia pls call to do some video together,... maybe.
Is there a train connection between Kyiv and Mockba today?🤔
No, but unlike zg to bg, there are no buses or flights either. Not sure what your point is.
Political problem of Croatia that don't won't reconstruct train line with Serbia.
Don't worry after 2025 go Zagreb Budapest , belgrad with fast train 200km .
In this moment 2024 can go Budapest Szeged and local train to Subotica soon this year about September October will bee finis fast line fast train to Novi sad and to belgrad.
How so impressed, please how can. I come to Croatia through work from Nigeria or Ghana
Apply for a work visa in nearest embassy, not sure where it is, i know we have it in qairo, but we have some in subsaharan africa, but not sure where any more, usually one embassy covers few countries, but google it, use the internet.
But why croatia first of all, do you have some connections? And what vocation you work in?
If you work in deficite vocation, you may get a visa, if not, then not very likely, a work visa that is ofc.
Its just politics,Croatia dont want to have trains to Serbia .Also reason then did not repair Zagreb to Serbian border highway in ages so its so bad that when you drive all the way is like you drive on rail road ,constant dum dum on your car ,you can only drive in left line
Who cares about serbia ??
@@edLogo IF you dont care you know that there is EU also south and east off Serbia,by this they also cuted Greece and Bulgaria from rest off EU by rail
@@edLogoTako ste pričali i za Rumuniju i Mađarsku pa su vas pretekli ekonomski sada ste dno dna EU.
Srbija danas ima vozove od 200km dok vi "jurite" 160km, uskoro će preko Srbije ići pruga Budimpešta - Pirej koju će koristiti cela EU dok će te vi ostati da kao slepo crevo Evrope čekate turiste od juna do avgusta.
Vidimo se u budućnosti.
@@edLogonikog nije briga ni za Hrvatsku ni Srbiju ni Madjarsku i da ne nabrajam. slobodni ljudi zele slobodno da putuju a to im politicari uskracuju .
@@srdjanspasic1458 Hm, morao bih te podsjetiti da je Zapadni Balkan dno dna (sa prugom, ili bez pruge). Hrvatska je u grupi zemalja sa Madarskom i Poljskom, bolja od Rumunjske, puno bolja od Bugarske. Vi ste gori i od Bugarske. Tu prugu imate samo zato sto ona treba Europi. Te autoceste koje sada gradite i sa kojima se hvalite, je u Hrvatskoj napravila ista firma (americki Bechtel) jos prije 20 godina. Nemojte se cuditi kada vam Vucic pocne pricati da imate najbolje autoceste na svijetu, tako su i nama pricali. Jer, svaka nova autocesta je najbolja na svijetu kad se napravi, onako nova. A onda pocne stariti, lol.
Da Bog da Srbija imala najbolje vlakove i najbolji standard .Samo nas ostavite na miru.
opusteno mi zavrsavamo ovo ka Madjasrskoj a krenuli smo i da radimo novu traku ka Grckoj a posle toga verovatno ima da gradimo da povezemo Republiku Srpsku, tako da ne brini se ni ne razmisljamo o hrvatskoj
@@borapetrovic1957 Osim kada pjevate o srpskoj krajini na svojim glupim utakmicama.
For me, I dont see the point in funding this at all.
geopoliticko ludilo na delu 🙄
@@MarioPetrinovich kome da se izvinem 🤔koliko mi je poznato niti smo mi napali Austriju niti Madjarsku. niti Nemacku a u okolini Srbije smo probali braniti svoj narod i sta tu ima da se izvinjavam bilo kome.
@@vesnanuspahic7510 Tvoj narod je jos do nedavno sastavljao svaku hrvatsku vladu, od cega ste ga branili? Eto, ja imam 62 godine, ja cu ti reci zasto su Srbi u Hrvatskoj digli ustanak. Srbi u Hrvatskoj su bili povlastena kasta. Medutim, dosla je demokracija, a u demokraciji vlada vecina, a ne manjina. A Srbi u Hrvatskoj su tvrdili da oni imaju pravo da imaju veca prava od Hrvata, da je njima jos Marija Terezija dala veca prava, te da se oni tih vecih prava ne zele odreci. A vi ste ih branili od toga da imaju ista prava kao i svi drugi. Hrvatska je bila srpska kolonija, a vi ste jos i danas ljuti na Hrvate sto im vise ne vladate.
No, it's 100% political, it's all about vucic, he has pure hate for croatia and croats in his heart, and what hurts him the most is serbs visiting, working and especially vacating in croatia, he publicly denounced it several times on tv, he isn't keen on car traffic either, but can't do a thing about it, but he'd rather if serbs migrated thru hungary only.
It's visible, as e.g. their national tv car show that regularly does car routes to the sea coast never came to croatia, they did all the routes to montenegro, albania, greece, bulgaria thru the years and did croatia forst time last summer, two routes if i'm not mistaken.
But he isn't keen on train to montenegro either, it's their main import port, yet they only have seasonal passenger train in the summer, vucic is so weird, always has some chip on his shoulder, a radical since his youth, did pretty bad record for his own country, reverted it back to the 90s mafia excuse for a country unfortunatelly.
Yes, it is 100% political decision but the side to be blamed is Croatian side. Few years back Serbian Railway Company proposed to Croatian railways to join the joint project of the Belgrade-Zagreb high-speed railway. The representatives of the Croatian railways refused them with the explanation that they are not interested to invest in the railway infrastructure in the direction to Serbia or Belgrade. After that, Serbian Railways proposed the same project to the Hungarians and the Hungarians accepted it. The Chinese got also involved in the project, as part of the Belt and Road initiative, with the idea of connecting the port of Piraeus (Athens) with Europe via Budapest and Vienna with a high-speed railway. This Croatian decision, which has no rational explanation other than nationalism and hatred, resulted in turning Slavonia into an appendix (dead end street)
The seaport through which the most goods are imported to Serbia is not port of Bar in Montenegro, but Rijeka in Croatia, and when the high-speed railway from Piraeus is completed, Piraeus will most likely become the main port for Serbian import/export.
Vucic does not determine which travelogues will be made by the privately owned company SAT, but that rather determines the number of passengers to a specific destination, which is important for the viewership of the travelogue itself. Serbs travel to Croatia as tourists, but that number is still low compared to Greece, Montenegro and, in recent years, Albania, which has become increasingly popular. The reason is the negative travel experiences that people had, because of license plates or language they spoke.
Serbs are not welcome in Croatia. On the other hands, Croats visit Serbia with no any problems. We see a lot of passengers cars with Croatian plates in Serbia. Opposite is not the case (except transit).
As a Croatian I can confirm this is not a reason why there's no train that was always trafficking between these two countries but now is just shameful. Politicians will learn their lessons only when they lose votes.
@@croat1455Nah. Only when they face going to jail. 🫠
Actually Serbia wanted a high speed railway to Zagreb and Ljubljana earlier but Croatia did not want that. Now we will have a high speed railway to Budapest. The plan is for high speed railway traffic between Vienna Budapest Belgrade Skopje Thessaloniki and Athens. With a line branching of to Bulgaria from Niš all the way to Istanbul eventually. 🙂
Now it is clear to me why the Belgrade Ustashe cannot go home, they have no direct connection.
This is partially correct... There is a train that goes from Slovenia and other parts of Europe to Serbia or just passes through... maybe with one or two stops
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