27.5 Inch Ain't Dead | Yeti SB165 Turq T2 First Ride Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ก.ค. 2024
- 27.5 Inch Ain't dead. Yeti has gone big on 29ers recently, with its much-lauded SB100, SB130 and SB150 covering the full gamut for those who want big wheels from cross-country to enduro. But the Colorado company has just launched its first 27.5in-wheeled bike for some time: the SB165.
According to Yeti, it sees the big-wheeled bikes as its race-focused options, whereas the SB165 is aimed more at what it calls “ripping”. Basically, this means having fun on a bike: jumping, hucking, carving berms and - dare I say it - jibbing. It’s designed to be in its element in the bike park or bombing down technical terrain, whether you have an uplift or not.
To that end, it’s got (you guessed it) 165mm of rear suspension. All models are equipped with coil shocks and a 180mm-travel fork. The frame has been tested to what Yeti calls “downhill standards” for head tube strength, and the head angle is Yeti’s slackest at 63.5 degrees.
Let us know what you think of the SB165 in the comments.
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What do you think of the Yeti SB165? Is there still a place for 27.5 inch wheels? Let us know in the comments!
They ll come out with a 28er and say thts the best.. the best bike is a bike u can shred and hv fun. Screw the marketing hype.
@@stevent1565 Well 28" is basically 29".
BikeRadar How tall is Seb? He kept referencing his height as a reason why he rides 29”. Just curious of what he feels a height range is in comparison to wheels size, thanks!
@@jasonbleakley7063 I am 187cm and I ride 27.5, I feel like 29" might suit me better, but who knows?
We like that it has room for a bottle cage 😉
Who said it was 27.5 was dead 🤷♂️ I have nothing against 29, but my favorite bikes are 27.5
Yup! ✋
As a 650b rider I’m extremely happy that Yeti has launched a new top of a range 27.5 mtb. It felt like there was a real shift towards 29ers over the past year or so with many new bikes coming in 29er only. I love the smaller wheels and even though I cannot afford this bike, I’m stoked that manufacturers are still taking the smaller wheels sizes seriously
+1
Just rented this bike in Whistler. I have a 29er Sb 5.5. This was so much more fun and agile than my 29er and the suspension is supple in a way that I've never experienced outside of a DH bike. Braking bumps, roots, rocks, drops it plows through with reckless abandon. Actually preferred this bike in the park to the specialized demo 8 rental I had the day before, due to lighter weight, better tracking, and better feeling rear suspension. Climbing is manageable, but definitely not as efficient as my lighter, larger wheeled bike.
Even 29 inch is dead, 36 inch or nothing.
Lol, bike radar be like
No, no, no, we're talking about wheels not *handlebars* - lol
I'm riding 50-inch man. Clearly you are really far behind.
Even 40?
Nick Nomienos I recently upgraded to a 69. That’s where it’s at bro.
There will always be a place for 27.5, most people aren't 6ft+.
Ryan Wellington yep, for some odd reason we are all 5’10” and we all question, “am I a medium or a large?” I personally don’t like the way 29ers look. And it deadens the trail too much.
@@kroozctrl6284 Dead on mate haha also a 5'10 dude who shares the same opinion.
I'm 5'5 and demoed an sb130. Smaller travel bike for sure but even for a smaller person it felt good on 29s definitely opened the door to 29' bikes for me.
You know what, th-cam.com/video/w6TMA2vI8bA/w-d-xo.html found the *27.5 plus* were the best
I am 6'2 and ride a Norco Fluid FS 2 in XL. This bike comes standard with 29' wheels (2.6 width) but because it's an extra large and the frame is scaled up nicely in tubing sizing and the wheels are boost, everything is nicely proportioned. I even changed the pedals to the large Stamp 1's by Crank Brothers as I have a size 13 foot. I finally feel like the beast I was meant to be as this bike just rolls over bumps way better than my previous bike:)
As a really short rider (5'3") there will always be a place for smaller wheels. A wheel that isn't higher than my inseam is a nice thing to have.
I won't be riding this bike but I will be riding 27.5 and loving it. I'm not into racing so 27.5 works just fine for me.
Seb, that throw away comment you made about the bar height relative to the reach length was honestly the best explanation that I've ever heard/read (in practical terms) on how reach actually impacts the way you should set up a bike. I had no idea that longer reach bikes actually requires higher handlebars.
Thanks, it's a really important aspect of bike setup.
@@sebstott3573 I have a Patrol which is super long so I run 50mm rise Deity dirt jump bars. Feels amazing.
I'd still take a more solid, chuckable 27.5" wheel on a bike park / freeride bike like this.
"27.5 is not dead", Dude it's definitely not dead, no need to even mention it.
Still rockin my ‘17 RM Slayer. 165 rear travel and 650b. I’m over 6’ and love the small wheels. Yes 29” is sweet in some situations but I find the smaller wheels to be just as fun. 👍🏼
Great review. I ride an XL Enduro 650 which is in the same ballpark... 170 out back and I've increased the front to 180. I have exactly the same problem with too low bar height. Seems bike companies make XL frames but dont consider this rather obvious issue tall riders have.
I ride a 27.5" 150-160 bike and in the last year I test drove about 20 bikes including the sb130 and sb150 and all of them had 29" wheels, my conclusion is that 29" feels dead to me, I don't feel the connection to the ground, I prefer the lively nature of the smaller wheels, the sb165 could be the option for me
How can you feel the connection to the ground more on a 150mm travel bike than on a 130mm travel ? Honest question.
Try the Bronson. Seriously awesome.
Nit maybe what he means is that a 150 27.5 feels more lively than a 130 29er? Just speculating. To me that’s how I would describe it. To me, 29ers are more pedal bikes, 27.5 are more jib and jibe. I know people can pop and jump 29ers, but I’m no pro, dont get to ride nearly enough to really drastically improve (I never get to practice), and consequently it just takes more effort for me to play on a 29er. And to me rollover of a 29er is over related. I roll over fine on a 2.6 27.5. I mean seriously, if I’m having trouble rolling over crap on a 150/160 mm suspension, 2.6 wide 27.5 diameter tire bike, then I better go back to basics first. Honestly, tire width is way more important and makes much more of a difference where I ride than diameter- rocky gnarly trails.
DADventureTV I absolutely loved the Bronson... but, the Pivot 5.5 should also be considered. After riding the Bronson, the sb130, & the Pivot Mach 5.5. I think the 5.5 works best in my region
Brian Hendricks I demoed the 5.5. Loved it. That is also a great bike. Pivots in general are pretty awesome.
Where in Slovenia did you ride. Judging solely by the color of the river it was in west of the county. (soča river)
I like my 650b bikes. 2.1 inch tires roll easily over loose sand, deep ruts, and rough railroad ballast.
Hi seb, I Live in Yorkshire Dale's so that's where i do most of my riding & within in 15 mins I'm out on the trails ; riding Rocky rooty trails some pretty steep would the SB 165 be a good option as I've been looking at the SB 150 !! I'm 6 ft weigh 84 k ! I ride 2/4 hrs rides ! Cheers
Your knowledge is rather exciting.
Hi , I have a Santa Cruz 5010 c , I’ve put carbon rims on , Dt Swiss 1200 with hubs , can you please please recommend a good tyre choice that has the best fast rolling and fast , I just want to ride trails mainly , I was thinking Schwalbe racing Ron , any suggestions please 🙏🏼thanks
I don't think 650b is dead, it just comes down to personal riding preference. Rather than make specific 650b/29er bikes, wouldn't it make sense to design the bike flexibly so the buyer can choose (and isn't this kinda happening already?). I realise changing wheel size can affect geometry, clearances, etc., but there must be ways to combat this with adjustable links and headsets, spacers, etc? The bike looks amazing, but that price...
Hi Seb, you said if the SB 165 had 29 inch wheels it would be right up your street well !!
What about the Brand New
Transition sentinel that sounds like that bike was made for you 25 % progression ; & get this Rock shox Lyric ultimate, De- Lux ultimate rear shock, One up dropper post 210 mm & Code RSC brakes ! Stan flow rims & maxxis DHR on the rear & maxxis Assagai's upfront WOW !!! & Lifetime warranty on the frame Unreal !!!!!
Where in Slovenia did you ride? Thanks
Where in Slovenia did you ride?
500 pound spring so how much do you weight ?
I'll give RockShox 6 weeks to begin producing an adjustable progression replacement air shock at a weight savings of ~300g
Hi BikeRadar, please could you tell me what's the name of the jazzy-groovy-funky music of this video. Thanks a lot.
No way, it can't be true? Does Yeti still use a Walmart level press fit bottom bracket?
Normal people: i like 26' and 27,5'
Bike radar: wE NeEd bIGgeR wHeEls
8K? Never gonna happen for me. As for 27.5 vs 29, I see it as simply being frame size dependent.
I switched from 27.5 to 29 felt good but then switched back to 27.5 and felt better. Bike felt a lot more agile and being only 168cm I feel tha I fit better on the smaller wheels
It is my dream of Yeti 27.5 plus
😎
Well, you're in luck! You can probably run 27.5+ on the Yeti. As long as the rear tire is not too wide (I think the absolute max is 2.6). :)
@@MrTrever86 2.6, unfortunately, not enough
😉 I need a full 27.5 x 3.0 then, it will also fit 29 + x 2.65
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE yeti make a 29er version of this bike (pretty please)
$5k for the bottom end version? Just get a Canyon Spectral and save yourself a boatload of money. You can get a super nice Canyon Strive for less than $5k. Come on, wtf.
OH LOOK! another bike I will never be able to afford...
Nice bike :)
IMO the Zerode Taniwha is a better option than the Yeti. The yeti is a phenomenal bike with very good suspension but the Zerode has a huge advantage in not having a cassette etc. Can’t beat it.
I'm 5'7", and still riding a 26er from 2007, so you know my answer! Way too expensive for me.
27.5 ain’t dead. They’re on my gravel bike
Brandon Semenuk rides 26" downhill bike and looks easy to control.
SB165 is like a 27.5 Pimp Slap to 29ers
LOL!!
I personally never felt really comfortable until I rode a 29er. I never understood the full extent, until I rode a few small wheeled bikes recently and even though they were all modern geo, they all felt like how all retro bikes feel... kinda sketchy, but I also understand that feel is really positive for different riders.
Maybe its just your riding😉
LOL. 27s sketchy? Operator error.... sorry mate.
Think about riding a BMX on the modern Olympic tracks. If you've tried to ride BMX on one of those, after having been riding MTBs, you'll understand "sketchy". Perfect bikes for the job, but, they sure do feel sketchy!
@@a.lame.username. I understand what you're saying. And that's great that a 29er feels really good to you. They can be very solid and stable. Regarding 27.5s, you didn't give any specific geo numbers, but I have to say that someone who rides a "modern" all mountain or enduro 27.5 bike, with a slack head angle and a wheelbase well over 1200mm and still feels twitchy or sketchy, has something else going on. I can assure you those bikes are also very stable and fast. I sincerely and respectfully suggest maybe having a coach check out your riding.
$4000 is pretty steep for that frame. You guys can get a Trek session 9.9, Santa Cruz v10, Intense M16/M29, etc. You can get nearly any DH frame for that price or less. They should’ve stuck with $3299 as a LBS brand.
Great video, background noise takes away so much from the video tho :/
Seems the media has been pushing 29ers and these ridiculously long/slack designs pretty hard. After owning several 29ers, I went back to 27.5 with regular geo. Best move I've made lately. If the sport wants to shove long n slack 29ers down my throat, I'll take my money elsewhere as will others.
No one's forcing you to buy 29er. There are still loads of great 27.5 bikes.
Is the calibre bossnut v2 a good first full suspension mtb
Yeah, its a great suspension platform and you get a decent amount for your money. Also check out marin as they make some good budget bikes
Budget full suspension*
No its not dead. Not even close. Why do you think Yeti is releasing it- because they realize that no matter how much the industry tries to shove 29ers down our throats there is still a huge market, aka people who still love smaller wheels, for 27.5. 27.5 rock. They rip through twisties easier, are easier to get and control air for those of us that don’t have the luxury to ride all the time cause we have, you know, careers that allow us to pay for these ridiculously priced but awesome machines, and are less exhausting if you live in a place with a lot of short downs and ups with a lot of accelerating. Btw, this is not to say that 29ers don’t have their benefits, they clearly do, but stop pretending that there is no point in having 27.5- they are better at certain things than 29ers. And omg stfu about wishing it was a 29er. There are plenty of 29ers that they make if that’s what you want. When doing a review of 27.5 bike please just stop the comments about it not being a 29er. Otherwise, nice review. And cool shots.
Thank you!! 100%. Get out of my face 27 haters!
I’m still riding 26, it’s what you make of it
This bike is perfect because it is 27.5
What's up with that background music?
I won't buy another 29er. I am interested in 27.5+ though.
I hope they are not dead as I'm looking at either a Chameleon 27.5+ or a 5010 hah. I'm also new to mtn biking and on a good day basically 5'10".
Jayson Mitchell large 5010. You’ll be stoked af
@@MrNomadc haha weird timing, I'm def going full suspension. I'm stuck between the 5010 and Cannondale Habit now.
27.5 is dying?!! Not again!! 😡
Cmon!!! i am changing bike these days...29 or 27.5? 😧
6:53 there is a place for 650b wheels.....in my bike, cause it's 650b wheels bike. :-P
How does it compare to the sc Nomad? Seems to hit the same segment, but is the new yeti better?
This trend of super long bikes is great for downhill racing but for all day rides its very uncomfortable to be leaning forward that far.
That's where a steep STA comes into play.
27.5 👍🏻🍺
Dude get over it! 29ers aren't as nimble as a 27! Leave us alone, we like 27s!
in my country most people still ride 27... not everyone lives on top of a mountain :)
Guuud
I’ll never buy another 29er. 27.5 is the one for me 👍
+1
I still have 26 inch bike ...
Price for the frame only is outrageous
they release this because 29 is dead soon
Raphael Cruise along with short travel!
The new trend is long travel 650b’s outta touch bikeradar!👎🏼
@@esdubya 😶😶😶
Im on 28.4s get with the times
there is no way that 27.5 will ever die.
29 with durable tires is a dump truck. Prefer 27 myself at 6' tall.
The rollover of 29" bike cannot be matched by a 27.5". If you are a Racer where every second matters, 29ers are a must. Top-10 of UCI XC and EWS are all on 29ers now; even UCI DH guys are all moving towards 29ers for certain tracks. You do not have to be as picky with a 29er due to it's rollver. Even if you are not a Racer, 29ers just helps you through the slow chunky sections easier, and because it rolls better, it will help you get through the longer days easier. However, at the Bike Parks on flowy and jumpy trails, and just for general fun, 27.5" is where it's at. I myself will always own both!
Erich von Cartmann funny, I find slow chunky sections to be where I hate 29ers the most. They wander more and are harder for me to pick and stay on my line, and the slightly extra rollover doesn’t seem to translate into less effort, but rather more effort to keep those big wagon wheels turning at slow speed. For slow gnar I’ll take 27.5 in a wider 2.6 to prevent falling down in between the rocks and with the lower tire pressure cruising along the tops more. I find I am far
Less fatigued. I prefer 29ers in fast gnar- to me 29ers excel when you can keep them at speed for extended periods.
DADventureTV , I have had the opposite experience. Through the slow chunky sections, those 29" are less likely to get hung up. In the technical uphill sections, same thing, those 29" wheels are easier to keep the bike going. I have cleared many uphill sections on my Ripmo where I use to have to walk. I am not a big fan of 2.6" tires, they ones I have tried have no sidewall support and feel way too bouncy when I pump them up to my desired pressure. For where I ride, I have to run my tires at 25 lbs or higher to prevent sidewalls from getting sliced when smashing through the rocks. I have even sliced a almost new double down casing when I ran my preferred pressure of 18-20 lbs.
Erich von Cartmann Just goes to show how subject so much of this sport is.
DADventureTV , absolutely it is all subjective. I think we all can adjust to any bike and learn to ride them and love them. At the end of the day it is still 95% Rider, and all this talk about wheel size, geometry, etc, is all nitpicking and personal preferences. However, it is nice to be able to nitpick and try different things and share with each other our notes.
Erich von Cartmann yeah man. Great time to be a mountain biker. Really no bad bikes anymore, it’s more just about which one really feels just right for each rider, their trails and riding style. Demoed a bunch. Went Bronson V3. Love it. Perfect choice for me. My go anywhere, do anything, freedom machine.
They say this to make everyone on anything different feel like they are missing out on something ,which in turn makes you doubt the bike you currently are riding...basicly marketing spin, in some cases sure its going to be slightly better but generally for the average rider,... well lets just try and pry their wallets open
27.5 always destroys 29er on bike parks
If i had access to ride pretty much whatever bike i liked id probably say 27.5 is dead......but I haven’t and im riding em and still having fun in the woods
I'm 5.11, and that nice scratch I can benefit from 29rs on descents when my balls are itchy is priceless. 27.5 is dead... duh! 😂
Nice, gotta use those grabby nobs .
no one ever said 27.5 is dead
bro im still on 26 lol
I am glad Yeti are updating the 650b wheel bikes. I was been put off as they were updating their their long travel flat bar gravel bikes. I do not and never will consider a 29er as a true mountain bike. Just because someone has decided to 2.5 inch wide tyre on 700c road wheels, flat/riser bars and suspension on a bike does not mean it will ever be a mountain bike. Leave the 700c wheels to the road and gravel market and have 650b wheels for the mountain bike market. I would never buy a 29er. If all mountain bikes become 29ers I will stop mountain biking as there would be no mountain bikes anymore.
This is not the place for trolls, so leave.
Lol what? 27.5 inch is dead now? Says who? So 29er is the only way to go? Bigger wheel does not equate to better riding experience. Smaller wheel make it easy to flick around the bike when we are not 6 or 7 feet tall 🙄
+1
I believe that Yeti (together with Santa Cruz) make the most beautiful bikes out there at the moment. However, they are so overly expensive :-(... Also, i do get that 27,5 still has some advantages, but only in smaller frame sizes (XS, S and maybe M) in an L or XL these wheels are just too small.
I'd pick Canyon and Commencal on design every time over Yeti and SC.
@@smuy3782 Same. I like sharp angles and lines on my bikes and Canyon does that the best.
Those are the two most overpriced brands right now, unfortunately. Not at all good values, for the build kits they're offering.
I'm tired of this whole 29er vs 27.5 routine... They still make 26 so what even makes you dream 27.5 is going away? They WILL sell 27.5 as long as people buy it, then they'll let Walmart sell it...
I REALLY wish TH-camrs would quit relying on the 29er debate as a video and actually put out something useful. I'm bored with the great 29er debate... surely you know SOMEBODY that has one you try for time to make your own decision... Major thumbs down for the 29er debate again.
It's just as bad as the flats vs clipless debate, you either like it or you don't... You can bring up points all day long why ones better than the other, but if the person DOESN'T like it, what's the point?
Some people just plain don't like the "monster" truck feel, so they won't buy one...
Lets all just ride penny farthings!
"27.5" Aint Dead" uhhh.... Wut
Can you guys please stop making 27.5 look like outdated tech ? Obviously there's still a place for them, I've owned a 29er and did not like it at all. So I won't ever be buying one again (mark my words, bike brands, i'm not ever buying one again). Even for the looks of 29ers is bad imo, it just looks way too large for a wheelbase too short on most bikes. Only DH bikes have decent 29 wheelbase that doesnt make it look like a pennyfarthing. Besides I don't see short people on 29ers either.
Agree on all points. I think some 29ers do look weird! They don't look as balanced, aesthetically speaking.
Sold my 29er for a 27.5 and will never go back to tractor wheels 👎👎👎
That bike looks tiny for some reasons with them wheels looks like a 26
Way too expensive
Is there still a place for 29er you mean!
Someone forgot to tell yeti that 650b is dead it seems! Ridiculously Overpriced!
bah, not at that price...!
Hugely overpriced all of them
29ers are for roadies, who only like them because they remind them of their road bikes.
650b is dead
Hardly, 650b is more nimble and you can't do proper mtb people under 170cm with 29" wheels. That's roughly 30% of the mtb market.
K
LOL. That was a funny joke!
IMO the Zerode Taniwha is a better option than the Yeti. The yeti is a phenomenal bike with very good suspension but the Zerode has a huge advantage in not having a cassette etc. Can’t beat it.