Seen some of your concerns over...(you know what)...doing independent research as I haven't had these experiences or heard about them before today. Since this is the first I'm hearing of all of this I wanna make sure going forward I proceed with more discernment. Gosh, making "mistakes" on a large platform is...interesting...👀 bare with me y'all I'm doing A LOT of this on my own (slowly finding more help) but it's a lot either way. Hope y'all understand and thank you to those of you who (gently) got me together lol 💕
i am so glad you "spoiled" this part for me because i looked forward to that moment in the video and when it arrived i was like AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH THERE IT IS!!!! 🖤
The first guy basically said "they're not scared of Lil Nas X, they have a fear of needing to display an effective distancing from what he's doing, in order to reafirm to the public that they are not gay." In other words, they're scared of being associated to anything that isn't hyper masculine, theyr're terrified of society's judgement... That shows a way more profound insecurity.
And them fighting to distance themselves makes it seem like they're repressing their true selves. Weather it be that they're closeted or just afraid of others knowing they have a "soft side" that would change people's opinion of them
@@twebster179 There's also a lot of women that bash him because they feel the "gay agenda" are feminizing a group of men that will never want them anyway lol
The take I got goes a little further; with the conaideration of the choice between "hard and dominating" or "tool for others" type of stereotypes, chosing the dominating one isn't just more appealing, it's a defense mechanism. How does one avoid having their power and agency taken away, by being this thing. So it makes sense that a threat to that image isn't just opening them up to self examination and societal judgement; it appears to risk opening them up losing what right of self determination they've fought and work to build up. Wonder if anyone else got to that as well.
That bit about the Male Gaze reminded me of something: Have you ever seen a middle-aged male critic drag a piece of media that was very clearly intended for teenage girls? Like, honey, this was not made for you. And yeah, you can consume it anyway, but keep that in mind. That's what that reminded me of.
@@W-I463 twilight was ok. It was vapid and predictable but so is friends, or the little mermaid or the michael bay transformers movies, or any other manner of entertainment that values comfort or spectacle over intellectual value. Things can be dumb and good, some things ARE the sum of their parts.
The amount of men in the comments agreeing with "he's just too gay" without realizing that the point of that comment was to implied "that's a you problem, not his", if you think anyone is too gay, you sure as hell are homofobic
You need to stop male bashing that's all you got you're boring and one dimensional. Black men giving their opinions nobody said you had to like because you sure don't understand. Go cry somewhere. Black men don't need the gay agenda. You choose genocide nobody's taking that pill with you.
@@ctruth6185 you’re the one coming here to cry about the “gay agenda” and if you’re too simple minded to interact in a constructive way leave the conversation, and stop treating Black men like a monolith you damn sure don’t speak for me.
@@ctruth6185 In my experience, nobody chooses genocide. They choose to be unashamed and proud to be themselves no matter what people think, people like you that bash other people for being different because you'd rather hate than love. Meanwhile, Lil Nas X included Jack Harlow in his Industry Baby music video, so he included a straight guy in his video and Jack wasn't even uncomfortable because he know's he's straight and he knows that people with make assumptions about him no matter what he does and how he does it because people are gonna hate and love no matter what. So, with that note, he'd rather be a good person than pretend to be someone he's not just because people hate. I actually don't know if he is straight or bi, and frankly, it shouldn't matter to me whether he dates a guy or girl, because at the end of the day, he's a person that deserves love and respect as much as anybody. We need to stop judging people based on what they are, and start judging them based on who they are as a person. Whether they are kind or not, if the broke the law, etc. You know what? I'm tired of having to argue with people like you because no matter what I say, you will never listen because you are too stuck in your ways to even be open minded. Lil Nas X could have made the video all gay, but he chose to include a straight(I'm assuming he's either straight or bi) guy in his video. That is the definition of inclusivity, something straight people in the production industry has done a crappy job for queer individuals and groups. The reason Jack Harlow was unashamed to be in a video that's gay af is because he's so confident in his sexuality that he couldn't care less what other people think because at the end of the day, he knows who he is and if anybody has a problem with it, it's not his problem. Now, THOSE are some huge ass BALLS.
Thank you so much for letting me be a part of this! I'm so happy to that you have black men an opportunity to speak on this, it's SOOOOOO important that black men become active participants in addressing these issues.
The interesting thing is when people are criticizing minorities causing “outrage” they rarely talk about what they actually are doing but what they represent. For Lil Nas it’s not his music they hate on but how unapologetic he is in his identity.
Ya regardless of why they're hating, its unnecessary. A saving grace would be theyre bringing up conversations that have been had ad nauseum in the 2010s in regards to gay respectability politics in a cisheteronormative world. It's kind of like beating a dead horseface and really doesn't do anything but show their hating asses are not only ignorant, but stupid (since the information and academic perspectives on this, already exist and they refuse to catch up).
The thing that Saint Andrewism said about straight men having such a harsh reaction to gay men being open and proud about who they are, partially because straight men have been groomed their whole lives to stamp out every part of themselves that doesn't fit into this idea of straight masculinity, that when they see someone else who DOESN'T stamp out those parts of themselves and doesn't apologize for it, they almost have an existential crisis. Like, if I had to give up so much of myself to fit this mold, it's outrageous that someone else isn't doing the same and isn't even ashamed about it. That's easier for many straight men to accept than the idea that the mold shouldn't exist at all.
And this has always been a problem since Billy Porter they are afraid of minorities and how comfortable he truly is I would love to be that comfortable in my own skin
I was wheezing at the 2min mark after she proclaimed no one was gonna shame her for sweating (preach! EVERYONE SWEATS), and then proceeded to ask us for advice on how to remove the stains on the shirt 🤣🤣🤣🤣(I'd also like to know hahaha) Such a perfect queen/non-binary royalty 👏
As a gay black man myself, Lil Nas X makes me soooo uncomfortable and I LOVE it. His antics makes everyone uncomfortable and that is so important because he continues to push our ideas of gender, sexuality and black male masculinity. Also his trolling game is a Master class.
thank u... I thought I was the only gay black man being uncomfortable and realizing what that actually meant. Like, i'm supposed to be the last person ashamed but his music videos did everything I tried to repress during my entire life and what I linked to shamefulness. My straight girl-friend just loved the video when I couldn't even watch one second of the Montero or Industry Baby MV, but now I love it.
I don't think hip hop artists are necessarily afraid of being left behind. I think they feel threatened because their normal method of success through tearing another down does not work when the person you are trying to tear down is proud to be the insults you throw at them.
Weird to say this, but as white gay man, I work with cars and when I came out as gay, they laught because gay men couldn't fix cars so I couldn't be gay. So the next day invited my boyfriend and kissed him in front of them (they said I wasn't gay so I wouldn't dare to kiss him). I remember one of my colleagues quiting because he didn't feel like he was manly enough to do his work anymore XD. To be fair I always feel like straight people see because Gay as weakness. So many guys saying "no homo" as soon as they are going to watch football with a male friend >.>. But I am actually happy Lil Nas X exist and especailly his song "Industry baby" because it feels like my experience as gay I feel forced to be a stereotype instead being you. Also thank you Khadija for making this video ^^. Sorry English isn't my main language so sorry if I made mistakes
I think it's because people look at gay men the way they see women, weak. Like when a guy shows some sort of weakness or shows interest in something "female" they get called gay. Take a look at how women are treated in "male" industries and I think you'll find it's similar. Straight dudes just have to be the toughest, manliest or they are not worthy apparently. It's very sad.
"he quit because he didn't feel manly enough to keep doing his job". The fact most homophobic straight man have such fragile masculinity and express such intense rejection towards gay people REALLY makes me question their sexual orientation
I believe there's "tension" in the industry, specifically within the hip-hop world, pertaining to Lil Nas X because they've never had someone play a big part within the culture the way he is currently doing, while also simultaneously disrupting it with his marketing/trolling tactics on social media. He's doing things/acting in ways that would be "frowned upon" by the masses back in the day...actually he probably wouldn't have even been allowed to execute most of the things he's doing now back in the day.
Well put, but to add… that’s why it’s called “back in the day” meaning it is gone and only the present state exists with new vision on the horizon. Sometimes we gotta stop fighting against the current and just float. Everyone will end up where they are supposed to be.
I think Lil Nas X is truly representing rap and hip-hop. Isn't being counterculture a thing in such genres? Being disruptive and bringing attention? I believe the message we are getting from society is: you have to break standards within the standards lol
As a trans man myself i connected with some reactions het men had, since the discourse reminded me of when i came out. I was 14 and back then the latest mainstream wave of feminism wasn't as active as today, in my area btw. So when i came out it was simply and easy I got a haircut, dressed more preppy and it was all done. I was a 14y/o twink with late puberty and soft features. But when women started to fight gender roles, in a more visual way, and you'd see more lesbians and tomboys in the streets, people started to dig more on the person's gender, asking about it, trying to figure it out. it scared the sht out of me and it made me soo mad. Before it was just easy to grow my leg hair and be treated as a lil boy, but now women were using those aesthetic elements, that fashion, that style just because. At the time it felt like a personal offense. I am a boy. let me be one, dress like one. I couldn't understand why women would use the same "costume" when they didn't felt like me. And making people doubt my presentation because of it. Washing off that feeling took me a long time. Even when i was making feminist arguments in class and later identified as non binary before truly make my mind with my identity. Doing those traditionally masculine things gave me a safe space. A space where i felt no one would doubt me and how i felt about myself. Later i started to do some introspection. Why that was pissing me off, why i felt like i owned those traits or that style. Why it was personal when women where acting like me. I felt attacked because my identity was solidified by those aspects, by those things. I felt like in that space no one would assume that i was a girl, and part of growing out of that was due to make peace with that. Understand who i was outside cutting my hair or using a button up shirt. Getting that those thing didn't defined me or the women that also like those things. Those things didn't made me a woman or a man and either affected them in that way. This performance i was putting and the meaning behind it felt short and meaningless when i got confident enough to live in my own skin. And then i started to care less and less about other's peoples expression or identity and the meaning behind it. Those men feeling attacked by lilnasx. i bet they feel like i felt at 14. They have this costume and they know it they pull it off they will be seen as "normal", as masculine and powerful men. The costume that allows them to not have the need to answer questions. To be "doubt". Montero "using" that costume might scare them because it's showing it really shouldn't matter and shouldn't mean anything in particular. Clothes, toughness, tattoos. Those things won't make you straight. And blurring that line means they won't be looking straight and won't have people "doubting" them. They fear someone will recognize those things in themselves and ask them if they're gay, or maybe just have that as a thought. Sorry this long ass essay but i absolutely loved the video and even tho i am a gay man it really reminded me of when i was an insecure child and it all went away when i just stopped pushing and stopped trying to convince other people about who i am, instead of just living and doing what felt right to me while accepting that's how everyone should be living. Even if that mean i would have to risk not being seen as normal or have people "doubt" me.
Okay gotta pause 7 minutes in to let you know that your impressions STAY shocking me. The Bane one made me yell, it was so spot on 😂 okay back into the video 👀
Exactly! That is me everyday as a teacher. I used to feel self conscious about the pit stains..but now I laugh right with the kids and crack jokes back.
As a black straight men I remember growing up and having so much internalized homophobia. And its tru that we all did that to reaffirm our masculinity. Im glad i grew up out of that. Black gay men derseve to shine light. Nice video !!
Glad that u changed. Just a thought here: you as a straight man cannot have internalized homophobia the same way a white person cannot have internilized racism. it was simply plain old homophobia!
@@summerwine7465 I know technically they can’t have internalized homophobia but when you think about it kind of makes sense since a lot of it is actions that str8 men take to not be perceived as gay or as anything other than masculine. Because a lot of the time these same men will claim that they like gay people but they’re still concerned with them being perceived as gay which is what would make it internalized
@@antoniojimenez7895 ....no, it just makes it homophobia. a straight man not wanting to look gay bc of the association that gay = bad, regardless of it being conscious or not is just the affect culture homophobia has on society. internilized hatred is a very specific word with very specific consequences. a white person that has some unlearned racist behaviors to go is not suffering from internilized racism, they just are racist/have racist tendencies. internilized homphobia/racism/misogyny or antisemitism comes from internilizing society's hatred and turning it into self hatred.
@@summerwine7465 I know that, I was referring to the way cis het men internalize the way anything outside of masculinity is treated and therefore they hate any feminine parts about themselves that could be seen as gay but the word would be toxic masculinity instead of internalize homophobia
Lil Nas really knows how to make people keep talking about whatever he does because he is an OG Barb (Nicki fan) and he really knows how to use social media better than so many celebrities
@windsome audios and he said a p@rvey/p@do thing about his 3 year old nephew. He needs to be held accountable for all his tweets and bulling, not him being gay.but people gloss over these facts just because he’s gay but also because they only want to talk about him being gay.
As a bisexual black man, this video gave me so much therapy. Lil Nas X continues to be a great inspiration for me everyday, he makes me proud of who I am in this world. Thank you for this!
Ya'll ever notice that the parents that are "worried about the children being tainted" don't come so hard or at all for other artists like justin timberlake or Pharrell Williams who had songs blown up by younger audiences (like the trolls soundtrack and happy) even though their music career has had plenty of sexual content and themed songs. Its blatantly clear that what they are trying to shield their children from is not sexual content but sexuality itself and its so gross. Remind me who is supposedly pushing their agenda again?
@@stephj9378 yet you have straight parents talking about their kids being Heartbreakers when they're fucking nice to a girl or a boy or they'll have their kids wearing shirts that imply a sexual innuendo only they understand when they read it. Straight people only want to see their sexuality represented and pushed on them not anyone else's its very obvious
@@arimonroe7060 Good points Any parent needs to be careful. I remember one of my young cousins who refused to let their children wear clothes with logos and pictures of celebrities. Made me think. How many of us just do stuff without thinking of the long term effects?.
@@arimonroe7060 The fact remains that 90+ percent of the population is hetero. We want children. We NEED new members of society, so efforts are made to steer youth to hetero outcomes.
I gotta give him props for leaning into his identity rather than trying to paper over it or dodge questions or anything else. He's willing to look people in the face and say, "Yeah, I'm gay. What's that to do with you?"
Nas spent his past writing disgusting and offensive tweets about multiple black womxn. Go watch ItzKeisha and her video on it so you can educate yourself. He deserves hate for that and I'm part of the LGBTQ+ community but as a black woman myself, I can't/won't defend his foolishness. I want no part of someone who has to degrade black womxn in order to "lean into their identity"
@@abeltesfaye_ This "all or nothing" Twitter/Tumblr attitude is really poisonous. You can celebrate someone for doing something good without endorsing everything else about their lives. For example, I appreciate George Bush for refusing to endorse Trump or his brand of neo-fascism, while I condemn his arrogant imperialism that led to so many deaths in the Middle East. It's not one or the other. It's both.
@@abeltesfaye_ First of all Miss Einstein, Lil has didn't make tweets towards black women, also he apologized multiple times over it, what should he do, crucify himself for your forgiveness? It's funny how you try to play the homophobic card by bringing back something some one did years ago like the dude was 15 and y'all throwing tantrums like you haven't done worst, if that's the reason why you hate him then I'm sure you we're never a fan of him, funny how people try to dig up someone's past mistake and use it against them, like you haven't made mistakes I've got something to tell you "GROW UP". he even said in his song " Sun Goes down" - there's more to life than dying over your past mistake. Also may I remind most of those your "*SOURCE*" are fake, alleged, anyone can try to throw dirt on someone's name just to bring him/her down. Am pretty sure you wouldn't like if someone brought up a mistake you did 10years ago and be like " oh she stole my candy 10years ago, so I will hate her for it"😂. Lastly you said your part of the lgbt community? Pfft I doubt I bet your one of those who be like I'm not homophobic I have a gay brother.
Hearing men's views on this is incredible, but as a Caribbean woman, I really appreciated hearing my island brother's perspective on manhood in the Caribbean. Thank you, all of you, for giving your thoughts.
It's interesting because historically, society has made a link between queer men and femeninity. if gay or queer men are exclusively conceptualized as femenine, they can be subjected to a certain kind of "misoginy" in which they are belittled by masculine (and cis-het) men. I feel that's why there is this kind of interest in if a gay man is a top or a bottom as if their sexual preferences affected the way they interact with the power dynamic in our society. So that's why when a hyper masculine gay man appears in the conversation, I shatters the pre-conception that masculinity is inherently straight. And that's why some men feel somewhat threatened by it. (And this is also an example of how pathirachy can affect men)
yes yes yes, wouldn't be surprised if this was the case. also a bit of a rant: the (almost) insistence that in any relationships there has to be a "top" and a "bottom", which definition sometimes is just translating the typical men-women expected dynamics into same gendered relationship, completely dismisses the fact that 1) that's pushing heteronormativity where it doesn't belong, 2) not even every romantic/sexual relationships between men and women strictly follow this dynamic, and 3) that's just disrespectful and creepy. on top of that, it can further constraints non-het people from being their authentic selves in forming relationships in a world that largely already constraints us from being ourselves. some people might feel in order to have their relationship legitimised they have to fill that heteronormative role _or_ push their partner to fill said role, which just sucks for everyone involved. :-/
@Jakob Berg nah, that’s just you removing nuance and getting mad. Like they’re just pointing the obvious: there’s some specific hatred for the feminine aspect of certain gay men and that gayness has a tense relationship to masculinity. This shit goes back to Ancient Greece, even. “This active/passive polarization corresponded with dominant and submissive social roles: the active (penetrative) role was associated with masculinity, higher social status, and adulthood, while the passive role was associated with femininity, lower social status, and youth.” Oxford Classical Dictionary entry on homosexuality, pp.720-723; entry by David M. Halperin. This isn’t some new woke Twitter SJW hot take by white feminists lol, it’s old as shit. The comment is NOT attributing all the hatred to _~misogynoir~_ , just musing on how there’s a misogynistic aspect to certain forms of hatred for gay people. You’re fine though. I’ve made the same mistake of removing nuance from a comment before. Just gotta remind myself that not everyone is arguing in bad faith or being extreme with their takes, you know? We can chill here
@Jakob Berg That’s not the argument though. You’re still taking out the nuance. Nobody is saying that women are a target of homophobia. Rather, they’re saying that misogyny can also target gay men because gay men are often seen as feminine or similar to women. To oversimplify, homophobia targets _only_ gay people, but misogyny can target _both_ gay men and all women. The OP was just talking about why misogyny can target gay men when it’s thought of as just a bias against women. The nuance comes from the fact that this ‘misogyny against gay men’ becomes _one_ of the _many, many_ forms of/one of the many roots of homophobia, but it might just be easier to just conceptualize OP’s comment as “misogyny = women _and_ gay people hate.” Everybody’s at their own pace, so it’s fine if simpler terms are better for you-I often need simpler explanations-as long as you’re taking the time to learn a little bit along the way. Like I said, we must keep in mind that this is not Twitter. Not every post that talks about misogyny is women making it all about themselves. We can actually have a cool discussion about how societal biases influence each other without worrying about woke Twitter SJWs here, as long as we keep that it mind.
Can we just appreciate how a Black WOman (one of the most marginalized humans in the US) is providing the space for Black men to have a discourse, to speak their mind? I love this!!!
I dunno. I guess as a black 15 year old I kinda hate him in a way because I've spent the last 7 years of my conscious life starting to copy the " norm " and he was undoing everything I've worked for within what.. 4 months with two song.. I guess I didn't really even hate him.. I hated what he stood for because I was taught to be aware of it.. but I think I'm lucky he's a big thing now.. and not any later cause I'm seeing now that the way of thinking I was taught needed to be undone.. and I'm glad I'm only a teenager when it's happening .. I can't imagine what full 30+ years of teaching that must do to full grown men.. I feel really bad for them..
I just want to say thank you for being willing to address how you were wrong and changing your outlook. I think your analysis on why you disliked him goes for a lot of people honestly. Keep being great :)
I've never been homophobic but as a 34 year old LET ME TELL YOU it is very hard unlearning things and habits you've had your whole life. Especially if you didn't even realize it was a thing until someone else told you. Fucks up your whole worldview.
@@silentj624 that seriously opens up a whirlwind of so many topics on homophobia. It makes me think about how a lot of males talk about being allies but then call their friends gay for anything under the sun as an insult. It’s really interesting to think about how that could also stand for internalize homophobia.
@@KaiKailuv I totally agree. Bare minimum you don't know what you don't know. As a dark skinned black woman my life if normal for me, but I have learned that someone else's life may be normal for them but they just don't understand my experience. It's not because that dont care. It's not because they think less of me. They just don't know. And how can you know what you don't know? Empathy can be hard, but it is necessary and sometimes it takes sacrifice.
the reason why i'm one of lil nas's biggest fans is bcs of how unapologetic he is about himself and his identity. He's pushing the agenda that you do not have to come into the rap industry as a straight, masculine man. He's pushing that barrier and allowing for more people like him to enter the music (or any) industry being unapologetically themselves. You don't really see many people do that, so seeing how lil nas is helping ppl like him want to be themselves makes me so happy. i love this man so much. may god bless him
I don't really consider his music to be rap though and most rap music fans aren't really bumpin his music like that so I have to disagree with part of your statement.
I think what’s interesting is that in Industry Baby (I might be wrong) society is not used to seeing objectification/sexualization of men/hyper masculine man through the male gaze.
Ye, that performance could easily be good lookin women models ( mostly light skinned) and people wouldn't ask a thing about it. I feel like world is not used to seeing black mans bodies so up close in a positive light. Bc we are all very used to people like 50cents's music videos where black man is the predator, the scary man who gets every women he wants. I feel like people are scared that their views of black men and black mens bodies are going get challenged.
You're right. Industry baby let's the viewer see more masculine presenting men in the same way ,cis het. individuals see feminine women on a regular basis. In a way it was probably a cultural shock and a long overdue one at that.
I'm scared of Lil Nas X because he's strong enough to kill satan as well as rock some heels and the color pink while producing hit songs. That sort of power is not something you treat lightly.
I read an interview w Rupaul years ago and he said that in the 90s, in order to achieve success he knew the “character” of Rupaul could not be sexual. She was glamorous and beautiful but no one wanted to think about a black drag queen having sex or being sexual. What lil nas is doing is important, Black gay men have had to be sanitized and non threatening, which means non-sexual. Let him kiss all the boys!
When he talked about the male gaze it finally clicked for me that like wow, okay, as a gay man myself pretty much like almost all of mainstream media have not been made to cater for the gays, they are made for the cishet male gaze. Lil Nas X created something that are made for *us*, this is how good it feels to be seen and represented. Imagine having the privilege to have the cishet male gaze catered to in everything all of the time. I can't really imagine it because as an Asian gay man there does not exist even a fraction of that content that are made for me..
I view Lil Nas X's music as pop not hip hop, but since he's black and rapping he's thrown into the hip hop sphere. Recently saw an interview with the producers of his album, and they were talking about how hard it is for black producers to be taken seriously within the pop genre, meaning that they view the music that they make with Lil Nas X as pop music. It's interesting that we talk about how Lil Nas X breaking the mold of a black male rapper in hip hop, while at the same time confining him to that mold. Rap isn't confined to hip hop. It can be found in everything from pop music (Flo Rida and Pitbull) to hard rock / metal (Rage Against the Machine and Prophets of Rage). I believe this video is a gate way to the conversation around how black musicians are tossed into a box, the same conversation that Tyler the Creator sparked after winning a Grammy for Igor.
@@jasminerox292 that moment really showed the hypocrisy in how the country music industry was ok with, usually, white country artist taking from pop, hip hop, and rnb but still being allowed to be called country and bring in an audience. But lil nas x is where the line suddenly had to be drawn. Sam hunt half sing/talked his way to the CMAs but lil nas cant even share the chart for a couple of weeks. Smh. I dont remember anything too controversial about Dan and Shay having a song with justin beiber. Black artist aren't allowed as much freedom to genre bend or just step outside rigged boundaries.
@@johnindigo5477 like i remember people didn't stop fully considering taylor (nothing against her, i love her) a country artist during Red era, it wasn't until she went full pop with 1989 that they gave it up, but the pop infused mix in Red was apparently okay but not Lil Nas X's ? i mean his is more on the pop side of things, but still, we are never ever getting back together, i knew you were trouble and 22 are nowhere near pure country, so idk seems sus
Saw a few people in the comments so: Fellow sweaty human here! Depends on the material, but first step for most is a degreasing dish soap with a little baking soda--breaks down deodorant residue and prewashes--I typically do that twice then toss it in with the normal wash. Usually does the trick!
Thank you!! I have a white 'Up' shirt that I love to death, and nooo matter what I've washed with the pits look sad. Totally overlooked how deodorant would effect the fabric. 🤦🏼♀️ I hope you have a great week!!
I always thought it was so interesting how things aren’t “valid” except cos straight men enjoy it without shame. Like look at the beetles they’re fan base was mostly female and they were treated like basically one direction they weren’t taken as serious musicians but the moment men joined the fan base they were legends and the basis of a whole form of music. Even with rappers like drake whose music can be said caters to the female audience isn’t taken serious. And even with female rappers they are selling out and making money and breaking records but it doesn’t matter their not “real” to these people because they have largely female and lgbtq fan bases. It’s dumb
So true. To keep talking about systemic opression, do you know the darkskin TH-camr RASHIDA STROBER ? Check her out. She is the Mother of DARKISM theory activism and is the first one to pin this therm IN THE WORLD. She is a legend and will go in Herstory for what she is doing right now.
Love the discussion of "envy" at 22:00. I appreciate the insight into what this is like for some men who are rascalized as black. As a cis-het-white-man, who drank the hypermasculinity kool-aid, I had to do a lot of work to get past my jealousy of AMAB lgbtq people, who appeared fearless in their disregard the social norms I felt imprisoned by. To see a man publicly admit to being gay, when I was too scared to wear a yellow shirt or admit I rather watch cooking show than football, made me feel like a coward. It took a lot of work for me to turn that jealousy into admiration.
Same in certain respects. I am straight, yet my personal tastes of clothing and how I like would leave too many ignorant people to assume otherwise: golden hair, hanging earrings, flowing garb, colors, etc. I basically look like an anime character. And for years I refused to adopt that look, to express myself as I was afraid of being continually bullied and targeted by other men, doubly so in my own community. Man, I just wanted to express my sense of fashion and wear cool clothes! I stifled my truest sense of self and instead internalized a lot of defensive hyper violence and choked away a lot of actually sensitive nature. And even as a kid, I knew this on some level as at those times I described it best as a “poison that was imposed on me, a disease that the world gave to me and that I never asked to be sick like this.” I made a choice to dash all of that this year and ever since that point, I’ve been the happiest I’ve been in some time, all difficulties considered. With that said, brother I’m proud of you and I mean that. You figured it out, and finally allowed yourself be a person, a human being and that’s irreplaceable. Man to man, I stand with you and implore you to keep at that work. Your internal happiness will show for it. Let’s do this together. 🤜🏿🤛🏼
Lil Nas X and the other zoomers are the reason why I don't mind becoming an 'obsolete' almost 30 millennial, they're blazing through the world being unapologetically themselves, and in their wake I find a little more courage to be a little more like that, free-er from the chains of racialization and hetero-normative patriarchy.
It's not just sexuality but the fact that he surrounds himself with Black bodies in all of our lovely shades - I know it's bothering them that he gets to be himself and unabashedly Black.
I LOVE Lil Nas X. Being a bisexual women he makes me comfortable being myself. I’ve known I’ve liked women since literally elementary school and whenever I would ask my mom “is it okay for girls to like girls” she’d be “oh no gays go to hell, it’s against the Bible blah blah” and in my friend groups growing up some had that same belief that gay people go to hell. So imagine hearing that pretty much your whole life from family and friends, I genuinely thought something was wrong with me. And I grew up in a small town in TX so I really didn’t see queer people that much. For a long time I suppressed that part of me and it wasn’t until I was 22 that I said fuck it, I am who I am. I’ve told most of my family (expect my mom bc I’m just not ready for her to know) and most of my friends. When I told my fiancé, I was terrified but he was like yeah I could tell 😅 Even now I still struggle w myself bc there is A LOT of biphobia out there and I’m constantly having to remind myself that I am and how I feel are valid whether I end up with a man or woman. A part of me wishes that I had this kind or representation while growing up bc in middle school and high school all I did was date boys bc I thought that would fix my “gay” and never got to really explore that side of myself. However, I whole heartedly believe that my fiancé is my soul mate and no matter which way I would have gone I think we would of ended being together regardless. I could go on and on about this topic, I’m just happy that the generation below me can hopefully now be more themselves and where we are at as a society isn’t perfect but it’s a hell of a whole lot better now in my opinion. Thanks for coming to my ted talk. 💕
being bisexual and figuring that out is almost more confusing than being gay cause being in middle school i was like why am i looking at this swimsuit model i have a crush on a boy what does this mean? i know i like boys so why do i feel this way about my girl friend? finally just accepting you know i like both is so hard to get to but so rewarding💕
It is also particularly interesting too being a trans woman and also pansexual and that comes with unneeded discourse about my identity by violent outside “perspective” but thank you for your little ted talk ma’am 💕
@@kitj3301 very confusing! Especially when none of your friends talked about having crushes on girls. It can really mess with you, but I’m glad we’re allowed to be ourselves now 💕
I love the point about how music isn't being made for "everybody" anymore, that if you can't relate to it doesn't mean it's bad music And honestly, that is just such a brilliant argument to bring up whenever people (especially white men in my experience) have said that music like WAP or Montero isn't good. And I just feel like that's not true! It's just music that isn't for you, isn't aimed at your demographic so you can't relate to it. And if you can't relate that's fine, it's not a problem but it certainly doesn't mean it's bad music
@@christopherbrown5409 I actually think the "it's not for you" argument can extend even here. I study classical piano (same uni as Khadija went to actually 😅) and there's a heavy snobby attitude against "simpler music." I find myself scoffing at "basic sounding piano music" (four chords, arpeggiated, that kind of thing) and feel a lot of dissonance since it seems to be the type of piano music that the average listener enjoys the most. I also enjoy a lot of pop music that revolves around those same "basic" chord progressions. 😂 I think the human temptation is to yearn for the right to say something is bad, period, and not just because it's our opinion. But people respond to and love what they love, so if someone loves basic ass piano music, then it did its job for someone, right? It was for someone else with a different level of musical exposure/understanding, i.e. not for someone who has studied music for 18 years. I can still think it's bad but I don't have a right to tell someone who enjoys it that it's bad.
"Anybody who sets out and writes a universal novel has written nothing." - Toni Morrison. We can only reach universal feelings through talking about our particular experiences - if you try to make something that appeals to everyone you're going to end up with something exceedingly bland that bows down to homophobia, racism, and patriarchy.
I like that lil nas is being himself and I think he’s a funny person. I do feel like everyone deserves representation. People should stop blaming artists for what their children see. There are artists who make music for adults. I think we should normalized being who you are. the gay agenda should not be a bad thing.
Hi, black gay dude here. So Lil Nas X is the first guy I can "fully" identify to. The album, is filled with BOPs and powerful song, he sang my growing up story. The confusion, the expectations, the dreams, all of it I lived it! I think Lil Nas X is fighting an intersectionnal battle, being black and gay. Which is hard and he's doing it beautifully. Being happy, smilling, trolling while the hip-hop is about so much hardship is something trully unsettling, I think. Gen X rapper feeling irrelevant is also a big part of why Lil Nas X is perceived so dangerous ; women and gay men dominating their game...non ma'am. Also I think a little bit of shame is in the mix . When hyper masculine straight dude have to face the fact that they are a part of the suffering of so many of us, there is a guilt they are not ready to deal with. So they lash out and vilify. Anyway, Imma keep twerking to LilNasX's bops ; exercising my freedom and agency of choice to lift my spirit and maybe one day meet Moonshine...she might be able to help you with the stains. Ok bye! xoxo
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This is off topic but l love how Americans randomly break out into British accents because we also randomly like breaking out in American accents for no reason 😂😂😂😂
I'm just genuinely worried for Lil Nas's safety. I think about it all the time. You mentioned he had a bodyguard after the one performance, but I hope he utilizes them when he can. All it takes is one evil person to go after him.
"He preserved parts of himself that they maybe don't know how to get back.". Wow. Some deep important truths in this video! Young boys forced into hyper masculinity oftentimes by Dads who were seen as less than. If you feel that you are seen as less than a man then your masculinity becomes more important! Also in my community a lot of the poorest people and so a lot of black kids ended up in care or in prison where rape is a real issue and so those kids, my comrades, were super homophobic. And we knew why and so we let them off. Defensive homophobia from kids in care was everywhere in my very poor community.
@@KhadijaMbowe I don’t want to make ~salacious speculations~ about what happened between you two in the bedroom, but I’d like to imagine that he used that soothing voice to read you stories while you gently fell asleep
Awesome video. Omar in The Wire is another great example of a gay black man being portrayed in a way that was probably very uncomfortable to people who feel as though black masculinity has to look a certain way and that black male homosexuality has to look another, completely separate way. I always found it refreshing how unapologetically gay Omar was, while simultaneously not fitting the “gay black man” stereotype at all. One minute he’s knocking drug dealers over for their product and the next he’s French kissing his boyfriend.
@@Neo.Jordon If people don’t mind “oversexualization” when it comes from straight people then they’ll be alright if it comes from gay folk. Straight people have been sexualized all my life. If I find it to be over the top, I don’t watch it, but I also don’t make demands about how straight people should express their sexuality if they’re not hurting anybody.
@@Neo.Jordon so if it’s the over sexualization…then it is at least in part because he’s gay, as there are no issues w the same or more explicit material when the subjects are women. The over sexualization only becomes a problem when it’s men being sexualized by another man.
@@Neo.Jordon Just want to clarify that we aren’t in agreement. My point was that Omar, similar to Lil Nas X and the characters in Moonlight was being gay in a way that wasn’t easily palatable to people who have an issue with homosexuality. Like Khadija mentioned in the video, part of what made things like the Industry Baby video controversial was that he wasn’t just being gay in the way many (homophobic) people expect a gay black man to act.
@@Neo.Jordon So in your opinion, oversexualization in media is an issue regardless of if the content is gay or straight, right? In that case, I still don’t think you can say that the reason most people are mad is because of the over sexualization because we just aren’t seeing this same kind’ve outcry when it is coming from a straight artist. (Unless the song is by a woman, then people have a whole other slew of issues with it apparently). I respect your opinion in feeling like oversexualization is an issue in media in general (although I don’t agree with that either). I just really don’t think it is the reason most people are upset with Lil Nas X. I think many people are just using it as a scapegoat because they don’t want to acknowledge that it is the gay aspect of the sexualization that is making them uncomfortable. I have no reason not to believe you when you say that your only concern is the oversexualization. But saying it is the reason so many people have a problem with Lil Nas X is actively taking light away from a real problem that is still running rampant in society (homophobia).
When you are told over and over again throughout your life that your only value in this world stems from your perceived masculinity, it's not really surprising that when someone comes along and threatens that status quo, people are going to lose their minds. It's hard to redefine what it means to be a black man when that definition has been forced upon you for generations via a society informed by systemic racism. This goes far deeper than lil Nas X but the reaction is a glaring symptom of that deeper trauma in the black community. Thanks for yet another lovely video. This cis white gay dummy appreciates hearing all of these voices that provide the opportunity to expand my capacity for compassion and understanding.
@John Xina like what? In comparison to other celebs, Lil Nas X isn't really that problematic, the only big reason people dislike him is cause he's unapologetically gay. And maybe cause he wants associates with Nicki. I don't "idolize"Nas, cause I feel like he's pretty transparent with who he is and what he works with, that's why I like him
@John Xina ok, looked at the video. Sucks that Nas was being Islamophobic. Again, could have just said that instead of being vague and patronizing. Just cause I said somebody is an icon, doesn't mean that I'm a naive Stan. I just meant that Nas' influence was impactful in mostly positive way.
Lil Nas.. Has truly inspired, renewed and given hope to silent/silenced souls in towns/citys and country's/continents around the world. Who may not yet have the confidence/personal autonomy to yet walk their truth due to constraints they may feel. Lil Nas is unique and needs to be protected x
Wow… he was only introduced to us in 2018… it seems like he’s been here for a minute, but it really wasn’t that long ago… side note, and not the point but just wow… he’s really done a lot in his time thus far!
off topic but you’re just so naturally funny it’s making it impossible for me not to develop an unhealthy parasocial friendship with your online persona lmao
For the longest time I was afraid to accept the fact that I loved to do drag because I was programmed to think that I had to be super masculine all the time. I am finally at the point where I give no fucks. Lil Nas has definitely inspired me in that way. And I see the power in representation through him
I was having this conversation with one of my brother's friends and he was like "He is influencing children and all of this gay stuff is in the media" I told him that if that's the case, why should there be any kind of sexual activity in cartoons for children? you weren't concerned about it when the boys in cartoons would aggressively hit on the girls until the girls hit them, or when there would be a kiss between straight love interests in almost every cartoon, where was the outrage then? And those kids would still turn out gay...so what was his point?
Pepe le pew was a cartoon character for kids who's while shtick was literally chasing down a woman who had no interest in him and forcing himself on her. He was left out of the space jam remake and people are loosing their minds because there won't be a rapist in the movie 🤦♀️
@@esmeraldagreengate4354 let’s also not forget the likes of Johnny Bravo and that one eagle on Tom & Jerry (actually any of the womanizing characters on there even). Watched all of these straight cartoons growing up and still managed to be gay
@Black Baby 98 when were you a kid? I grew up in the nineties and never heard anything like that. I don't think I heard the term until maybe 10 years ago. Then again I do live in the middle of nowhere
That part about seeing the kid happily eating watermelon instantly changing his view... I really liked that, and it reminded my of my own recent experience I was out at a public beach with friends, and saw another woman super casually take off her top, while having a phone call, and just idly stand there topless and in no hurry, while there were so many people around minding their own business. I don't know who she was, but she really made me think how much I'm really overthinking showing my own chest freely like that, that I too could do it as fearlessly as her and like any man can.
He is extremely social media savy especially in terms of marketing his product and branding his specific artistic identity. However, he is still young and his unparalleled engagement in social media may eventually lead to some backlash, because of some stupid reason like unearthing some old tweet that will be taken in the wrong context.
that is definitely already happening! there are a few tweets that he made that are classic edgy 15 year old barb tweets. a whole section of twitter despises him for this and trashes him whenever he does something bc they don’t like that he hasn’t addressed those tweets
My father is a total victim of the patriarchy and only in the last years has he opened up more feelings-wise. He is in his mid 70s so maybe age softened him, but the male gaze and that everything is made for him and his consumption... oh boy how tiring to be around and especially to grow up with as his daughter! I appreciated Saint Andrewism and his mention of the bell hooks quote.
I think it's very thought provoking that Lil Was X is breaking these stereotypes. His stereotypical hard, racialized black male appearance mixing with his feminine actions causes me and others to rethink and redefine what we originally thought was feminine or masculine, and I love it.
Don't know if you were serious, but... Best sweat stain fix I've found: Pour some white vinegar on the pit area of shirt and let it sit a bit. Rub in some baking soda and salt. (The BS reacts with the vinegar, and both provide a little scrub to lift deodorant particles). Then wash as usual. Great video as usual!
Sounds like absolute bullshit. If you're having bad sweating problems in the armpits, look into botox injections for the armpits (yes its a thing, it works).
@@highsky101productions6 i haven’t necessarily seen men saying anything just women upset she became too sexualized all of a sudden which i think is because her record label wasn’t satisfied with her and halle’s attention together so they broke them up and gave the curvier one the spotlight
@@aaliyahbeeby well, that’s not true lol Halle was given the opportunity to play Ariel in the Little Mermaid. They were separated for months and Chloe had free time. Chloe X Halle together were relatively successful. Both of their albums were Grammy nominated and very well received critically. The way Chloe has dressed on stage hasn’t changed at all.
@@suoutubez19 i read their Twitter or watched a video? and if I'm remembering right they id as a woman (sorry, womxn) and use they them pronouns but i may be wrong about them being a woman. Eta: I googled and i believe it was the womxn video Third try: Haha yeah i rewatched part of it and they id as womxn, duh, but I'm out of steam for now and not sure if that reflects a non-binary identity so i will now stop inputting
I like that Lil Nas X is powering through and trying to give representation his own community does not see much. He turned his 15 minutes into a long term career and just trying to make a change. I really respect and support him trying to create a safer space for himself and others.
Funny thing about Old Town Road being declared ‘not country enough’ is that whoever said that never googled the whole damn history of african-american cowboys lol
This video is needed! I loved the addition of the black men on this topic. Lil Nas X also just released a song called One of Me that literally talks about the traditional fan/haters tryna tell him how to be. This expands on his own thoughts perfectly ✨
Absolute fantastic video! Lil Nas is an artist. I love how much he is pushing people to pay attention. Now Boosie, Boosie, he thinks every woman that said Cosby raped them was lying about it for money.
Also being an openly gay black man I just wanted to say I love this. Lil Nas X gives me a space to live in. He allows me to be comfortable and he is a voice for us to be heard. He has completely shaken black culture and I’m so for it. Love the video and thank you so much for the “black men” section. It just gave me even more reassurance that I’m not alone. Truly, thank tou so much for this video, I needed this!
Legit - before you said it I was typing notes Bc I sent this video to my children (one who’s 19 and the biggest nas x fan) and I typed that we can all change our opinion as we gain knowledge, so remind those who question your state of values/opinions. I, previously, was a person who said things like ‘not too gay’ of ‘he acts white even though he’s black’. I was a part of the problem… now I want to be part of the solution. Thank you for your videos so I can continue to learn and also teach my children… even though that shouldn’t be your job, I’m grateful for it and hope one day of won’t be
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I fell for the fake "Spotify is gonna remove Montero" troll he did, and to this day, Spotify always recommends it first whenever I log in. Lmao. Well played.
Another great video ❤️ FD really hit the nail on the head. I can’t tell you how many times straight men have felt the need to say to me “you’re cool with me,” or “I accept you,” or something along those lines as a way of giving me their consent to exist. The main one was “what you do behind closed doors is none of my business.” It still irks me because it implies I (and other LGBT folks) need to keep our same-sex partnerships hidden from public view. As long as you keep it “behind closed doors,” straight men who believe in this ideology are cool with you. However, once you start holding hands/kissing someone of the same sex in public or on an awards show stage you become a problem and pushing your “lifestyle” on poor innocent straight folks and their children whom they assume are heterosexual by default.
Who is he hurting though? Not like he’s taking their women. Sorry but I love that lil’ boy even if not all his music is my style. Every time he dons feathers I’m like “Go get it!” and my heart swells just a lil bit more each time.
@@esmeraldagreengate4354 the video sums it up when she mentions he’s pretty masculine (or rather, not stereotypically feminine) and that’s where the threat is but still. I can’t get over the thought of people should let him live his life because he’s not after their women, lol.
Oh man, same. I'm trying to figure out how to forgive myself for valuing lack of conflict over being my true self for so long. But we are making progress. ❤️
People like earl sweatshirt and tyler the creator also did alot to help pave the way for "whimpy"and "geeky" looking black men to find acceptance in hip hop, tyler and earl are both very unique and aren't the typical tuff guy thug persona, they're like the geeky band kids everyone makes fun of, Tyler the creator and others really did alot for opening those doors
The male gaze and the hyper masculine is the result of why there are so many Down Low Brothers. Which has ruin a lot of relationship and trust with BM and BW.
Lolll they say they want these men to be “open and live in their truths” yet when they do, there’s hell to pay. Like sis, you can’t have it both ways 😂😭
@@kris232ful My thing is … we should address the people that are giving them that hell. Who is hurting or endangering these men who come out as gay? I think it’s dishonest to say that the “live your truth” camp is the exact same group that’s making coming out dangerous
@@louenatnine51 Dangerous can have different connotations. Maybe not PHYSICALLY making it dangerous, but these men are outcasted once they come out. Especially masculine gay black men. I’ve seen it happen myself. And, let’s not pretend that the “live your truth” camp ain’t one of the most toxic camps perpetuating this nonsense.
Great video. A interesting and intelligent discussion. I was in Mobile AL a few weeks ago. Mobile has a large gay community. My husband and I were in a “straight” restaurant and two young flamboyant black men came in as a couple. No big deal. I said to my husband they have a hero. This was downtown with no parking. They had to walk down the street. It was great to see it. Why I use quotes is the restaurant clientele and most employees were heterosexual. However they had two Pride flags in a small space. This was after Pride month, they were permanent. As a white man I know it easier for us to be open. When I see black men being open about their sexuality it shows a real real change in society.
I haven't watched the video yet but I love your use of "racialized." So much of the conversation I see take race for granted at face value. I just feel like the goal of our discourse should be critically analyzing and ultimately dismantling race, not propping it up. So thank you!
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This conversation also brings up super complex thoughts for me about how we define masculinity vs femininity as a culture--Lil Nas X has definitely embodied both, even wearing dresses (or dress-suit hybrids) in his music videos and on multiple red carpets, his album promo involves a lot of nudity, pale blues, pinks, purples, and butterflies--all visual cues typically associated with femininity! At the same time, he's played with traditionally hypermasculine imagery like football, cowboys, prison, etc, as well as the points you brought up about how his physical features are perceived in society. It's always interesting to me the gendered weight we give physical features vs fashion, hair, etc, and how that plays into what kind of gender performance is acceptable within society and what gets pushback.
This was amazingly eye opening! Thank you for doing what no one else has done thus far by giving us this insightful perspective from black men on this topic.
Seen some of your concerns over...(you know what)...doing independent research as I haven't had these experiences or heard about them before today. Since this is the first I'm hearing of all of this I wanna make sure going forward I proceed with more discernment. Gosh, making "mistakes" on a large platform is...interesting...👀 bare with me y'all I'm doing A LOT of this on my own (slowly finding more help) but it's a lot either way.
Hope y'all understand and thank you to those of you who (gently) got me together lol 💕
keep being great hun & doing you!💗💗💗
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I don't know what, what is it ? 😭
@@giasas The sponsor on the video I think
Is it B*tterhelp?
*homosexuals: the plan is working*
Tee Noir! :D
The way I fell OUTTTTT 🤣
What plan
@@jasminbreakingbadwalkingde4614 Shhhh. 😬
Lmao😂😭😭
AHHHH 😱 WHEN SHE SAID “so you agree… objectification is wrong?” And took THE LONGEST SIP OF TEA
I LIVED. I DIED. I reincarnated
My favorite part. It needs to be a meme and a gif reaction for social media.
Yesssss
Tea as punctuation should be in all grammar textbooks. Use sparingly.
i am so glad you "spoiled" this part for me because i looked forward to that moment in the video and when it arrived i was like AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH THERE IT IS!!!! 🖤
I am borrowing that last part 😆:
I lived. I died. I reincarnated.
The first guy basically said "they're not scared of Lil Nas X, they have a fear of needing to display an effective distancing from what he's doing, in order to reafirm to the public that they are not gay." In other words, they're scared of being associated to anything that isn't hyper masculine, theyr're terrified of society's judgement... That shows a way more profound insecurity.
Agreed. That was deep.💯
And them fighting to distance themselves makes it seem like they're repressing their true selves. Weather it be that they're closeted or just afraid of others knowing they have a "soft side" that would change people's opinion of them
@@MoreSand12 which is very sad- women love him because we think being open and willing to be vulnerable is desirable- or maybe that's just me.🤷♀️
@@twebster179 There's also a lot of women that bash him because they feel the "gay agenda" are feminizing a group of men that will never want them anyway lol
The take I got goes a little further; with the conaideration of the choice between "hard and dominating" or "tool for others" type of stereotypes, chosing the dominating one isn't just more appealing, it's a defense mechanism. How does one avoid having their power and agency taken away, by being this thing.
So it makes sense that a threat to that image isn't just opening them up to self examination and societal judgement; it appears to risk opening them up losing what right of self determination they've fought and work to build up.
Wonder if anyone else got to that as well.
That bit about the Male Gaze reminded me of something: Have you ever seen a middle-aged male critic drag a piece of media that was very clearly intended for teenage girls? Like, honey, this was not made for you. And yeah, you can consume it anyway, but keep that in mind. That's what that reminded me of.
Or literally any criticism of children’s shows!
Cough Twilight cough ( and don't forget how people continue to beat a dead horse long after the series ended and the relevance had faded)
@@kittykittybangbang9367 as a previous teen girl- that series deserved the negative criticism
@@W-I463 twilight was ok. It was vapid and predictable but so is friends, or the little mermaid or the michael bay transformers movies, or any other manner of entertainment that values comfort or spectacle over intellectual value.
Things can be dumb and good, some things ARE the sum of their parts.
@@ruthspanos2532 31 year old basement dwellers explaining why steven universe, a cn show, is childish:
The amount of men in the comments agreeing with "he's just too gay" without realizing that the point of that comment was to implied "that's a you problem, not his", if you think anyone is too gay, you sure as hell are homofobic
Exactly and they'll have a fit if someone told them that they were too Black, Asian, Latino, or White.
You need to stop male bashing that's all you got you're boring and one dimensional. Black men giving their opinions nobody said you had to like because you sure don't understand. Go cry somewhere. Black men don't need the gay agenda. You choose genocide nobody's taking that pill with you.
@@ctruth6185 you’re the one coming here to cry about the “gay agenda” and if you’re too simple minded to interact in a constructive way leave the conversation, and stop treating Black men like a monolith you damn sure don’t speak for me.
@@ctruth6185 Genocide? Gay agenda? I don't understand....
@@ctruth6185 In my experience, nobody chooses genocide. They choose to be unashamed and proud to be themselves no matter what people think, people like you that bash other people for being different because you'd rather hate than love. Meanwhile, Lil Nas X included Jack Harlow in his Industry Baby music video, so he included a straight guy in his video and Jack wasn't even uncomfortable because he know's he's straight and he knows that people with make assumptions about him no matter what he does and how he does it because people are gonna hate and love no matter what. So, with that note, he'd rather be a good person than pretend to be someone he's not just because people hate. I actually don't know if he is straight or bi, and frankly, it shouldn't matter to me whether he dates a guy or girl, because at the end of the day, he's a person that deserves love and respect as much as anybody. We need to stop judging people based on what they are, and start judging them based on who they are as a person. Whether they are kind or not, if the broke the law, etc. You know what? I'm tired of having to argue with people like you because no matter what I say, you will never listen because you are too stuck in your ways to even be open minded. Lil Nas X could have made the video all gay, but he chose to include a straight(I'm assuming he's either straight or bi) guy in his video. That is the definition of inclusivity, something straight people in the production industry has done a crappy job for queer individuals and groups. The reason Jack Harlow was unashamed to be in a video that's gay af is because he's so confident in his sexuality that he couldn't care less what other people think because at the end of the day, he knows who he is and if anybody has a problem with it, it's not his problem. Now, THOSE are some huge ass BALLS.
Thank you so much for letting me be a part of this! I'm so happy to that you have black men an opportunity to speak on this, it's SOOOOOO important that black men become active participants in addressing these issues.
You did what you needed to do!
You said what you said F.D Signifier. You said the truth💯‼️
This video was already amazing but it instantly became better once you came into the mix
Was hoping you were one of the guests she was referring to and was pleasantly surprised
Seriously my pleasure!!!
The interesting thing is when people are criticizing minorities causing “outrage” they rarely talk about what they actually are doing but what they represent. For Lil Nas it’s not his music they hate on but how unapologetic he is in his identity.
Ya regardless of why they're hating, its unnecessary. A saving grace would be theyre bringing up conversations that have been had ad nauseum in the 2010s in regards to gay respectability politics in a cisheteronormative world. It's kind of like beating a dead horseface and really doesn't do anything but show their hating asses are not only ignorant, but stupid (since the information and academic perspectives on this, already exist and they refuse to catch up).
The thing that Saint Andrewism said about straight men having such a harsh reaction to gay men being open and proud about who they are, partially because straight men have been groomed their whole lives to stamp out every part of themselves that doesn't fit into this idea of straight masculinity, that when they see someone else who DOESN'T stamp out those parts of themselves and doesn't apologize for it, they almost have an existential crisis. Like, if I had to give up so much of myself to fit this mold, it's outrageous that someone else isn't doing the same and isn't even ashamed about it. That's easier for many straight men to accept than the idea that the mold shouldn't exist at all.
Exactly!
And this has always been a problem since Billy Porter they are afraid of minorities and how comfortable he truly is I would love to be that comfortable in my own skin
"we're losing morals" 💀💀💀
“Homosexuals, the plan is working”💀💀💀 I have laughed so many times this episode I had to comment. 😝😝😝
Reminded me of lil nas x thanking the gay agenda
@@yazzmaniac Shhh....that's where she got it...😶
I was wheezing at the 2min mark after she proclaimed no one was gonna shame her for sweating (preach! EVERYONE SWEATS), and then proceeded to ask us for advice on how to remove the stains on the shirt 🤣🤣🤣🤣(I'd also like to know hahaha) Such a perfect queen/non-binary royalty 👏
Right
Lgbt acceptance is dwindling.
Great plan folks
As a gay black man myself, Lil Nas X makes me soooo uncomfortable and I LOVE it. His antics makes everyone uncomfortable and that is so important because he continues to push our ideas of gender, sexuality and black male masculinity. Also his trolling game is a Master class.
thank u... I thought I was the only gay black man being uncomfortable and realizing what that actually meant. Like, i'm supposed to be the last person ashamed but his music videos did everything I tried to repress during my entire life and what I linked to shamefulness. My straight girl-friend just loved the video when I couldn't even watch one second of the Montero or Industry Baby MV, but now I love it.
Interesting point
I love the way you pointed this out. He’s really transforming the playing field.
Ikrr!😂😂😂I was afraid of commenting this due to being bashed but he makes me uncomfy too but I actually FUCKING ENJOY that he does XD
@@Jordan-xg4pn Same bro💀
I don't think hip hop artists are necessarily afraid of being left behind. I think they feel threatened because their normal method of success through tearing another down does not work when the person you are trying to tear down is proud to be the insults you throw at them.
!!! Ding ding ding!!
Being called gay used to be a rapper’s worst nightmare. Now, it’s a beautiful part of their identity.
It means they're going to have to work harder to tear him down.
Children are in fact always in a state of constant stickiness, it is quite alarming.
they also smell like stale mcd french fries, even after a bath
I think Terry Prattchet has said this exact thing too😂😂
😭😭🤣🤣
So at what age do you lose the sticky?
@@frauleinzuckerguss1906 This is the most cursed thing I’ve read today…
Weird to say this, but as white gay man, I work with cars and when I came out as gay, they laught because gay men couldn't fix cars so I couldn't be gay. So the next day invited my boyfriend and kissed him in front of them (they said I wasn't gay so I wouldn't dare to kiss him). I remember one of my colleagues quiting because he didn't feel like he was manly enough to do his work anymore XD. To be fair I always feel like straight people see because Gay as weakness. So many guys saying "no homo" as soon as they are going to watch football with a male friend >.>. But I am actually happy Lil Nas X exist and especailly his song "Industry baby" because it feels like my experience as gay I feel forced to be a stereotype instead being you. Also thank you Khadija for making this video ^^.
Sorry English isn't my main language so sorry if I made mistakes
I think it's because people look at gay men the way they see women, weak. Like when a guy shows some sort of weakness or shows interest in something "female" they get called gay. Take a look at how women are treated in "male" industries and I think you'll find it's similar. Straight dudes just have to be the toughest, manliest or they are not worthy apparently. It's very sad.
It isn’t your problem that your colleague quit bc he see gay as unmanly, bc that’s his issue not yours
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"he quit because he didn't feel manly enough to keep doing his job". The fact most homophobic straight man have such fragile masculinity and express such intense rejection towards gay people REALLY makes me question their sexual orientation
@Laura Kay women are gay also sis 💀
I believe there's "tension" in the industry, specifically within the hip-hop world, pertaining to Lil Nas X because they've never had someone play a big part within the culture the way he is currently doing, while also simultaneously disrupting it with his marketing/trolling tactics on social media. He's doing things/acting in ways that would be "frowned upon" by the masses back in the day...actually he probably wouldn't have even been allowed to execute most of the things he's doing now back in the day.
Well put, but to add… that’s why it’s called “back in the day” meaning it is gone and only the present state exists with new vision on the horizon. Sometimes we gotta stop fighting against the current and just float. Everyone will end up where they are supposed to be.
I think Lil Nas X is truly representing rap and hip-hop. Isn't being counterculture a thing in such genres? Being disruptive and bringing attention? I believe the message we are getting from society is: you have to break standards within the standards lol
Back in the day he would have already been shot dead by other rappers
@@loustat4037 then this is a welcome change.
@@loustat4037 now In the day anybody can be shot dead.
As a trans man myself i connected with some reactions het men had, since the discourse reminded me of when i came out.
I was 14 and back then the latest mainstream wave of feminism wasn't as active as today, in my area btw. So when i came out it was simply and easy I got a haircut, dressed more preppy and it was all done. I was a 14y/o twink with late puberty and soft features.
But when women started to fight gender roles, in a more visual way, and you'd see more lesbians and tomboys in the streets, people started to dig more on the person's gender, asking about it, trying to figure it out.
it scared the sht out of me and it made me soo mad.
Before it was just easy to grow my leg hair and be treated as a lil boy, but now women were using those aesthetic elements, that fashion, that style just because.
At the time it felt like a personal offense. I am a boy. let me be one, dress like one. I couldn't understand why women would use the same "costume" when they didn't felt like me. And making people doubt my presentation because of it.
Washing off that feeling took me a long time. Even when i was making feminist arguments in class and later identified as non binary before truly make my mind with my identity.
Doing those traditionally masculine things gave me a safe space. A space where i felt no one would doubt me and how i felt about myself.
Later i started to do some introspection. Why that was pissing me off, why i felt like i owned those traits or that style. Why it was personal when women where acting like me.
I felt attacked because my identity was solidified by those aspects, by those things. I felt like in that space no one would assume that i was a girl, and part of growing out of that was due to make peace with that.
Understand who i was outside cutting my hair or using a button up shirt. Getting that those thing didn't defined me or the women that also like those things. Those things didn't made me a woman or a man and either affected them in that way.
This performance i was putting and the meaning behind it felt short and meaningless when i got confident enough to live in my own skin. And then i started to care less and less about other's peoples expression or identity and the meaning behind it.
Those men feeling attacked by lilnasx. i bet they feel like i felt at 14. They have this costume and they know it they pull it off they will be seen as "normal", as masculine and powerful men. The costume that allows them to not have the need to answer questions. To be "doubt".
Montero "using" that costume might scare them because it's showing it really shouldn't matter and shouldn't mean anything in particular. Clothes, toughness, tattoos. Those things won't make you straight. And blurring that line means they won't be looking straight and won't have people "doubting" them. They fear someone will recognize those things in themselves and ask them if they're gay, or maybe just have that as a thought.
Sorry this long ass essay but i absolutely loved the video and even tho i am a gay man it really reminded me of when i was an insecure child and it all went away when i just stopped pushing and stopped trying to convince other people about who i am, instead of just living and doing what felt right to me while accepting that's how everyone should be living. Even if that mean i would have to risk not being seen as normal or have people "doubt" me.
this is such an interesting perspective, tysm for sharing
Wow. That's a really good analysis. Thank you for sharing.
Thanks for your insight and empathy for others!
Great response, I'm a transgender man as well, this connection you made helped me empathize with the video even more
Wow, thank you for sharing ❤️
Okay gotta pause 7 minutes in to let you know that your impressions STAY shocking me. The Bane one made me yell, it was so spot on 😂 okay back into the video 👀
looool *bows* thanks sis!
@Shanspeare you are both phenomenal creators. You always give me something to think about.🙌🦋
That sweat stain moment was the realness I needed. I'm a hella sweaty person so it made me feel seen.
Exactly! That is me everyday as a teacher. I used to feel self conscious about the pit stains..but now I laugh right with the kids and crack jokes back.
@@mretaughtus2152 Sometimes that's just what you have to do. haha
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as a sweaty person you have every right to exist and be as you are in this world🙇
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As a black straight men I remember growing up and having so much internalized homophobia. And its tru that we all did that to reaffirm our masculinity. Im glad i grew up out of that. Black gay men derseve to shine light. Nice video !!
Glad that u changed. Just a thought here: you as a straight man cannot have internalized homophobia the same way a white person cannot have internilized racism. it was simply plain old homophobia!
@@summerwine7465 I know technically they can’t have internalized homophobia but when you think about it kind of makes sense since a lot of it is actions that str8 men take to not be perceived as gay or as anything other than masculine. Because a lot of the time these same men will claim that they like gay people but they’re still concerned with them being perceived as gay which is what would make it internalized
@@antoniojimenez7895 ....no, it just makes it homophobia. a straight man not wanting to look gay bc of the association that gay = bad, regardless of it being conscious or not is just the affect culture homophobia has on society. internilized hatred is a very specific word with very specific consequences. a white person that has some unlearned racist behaviors to go is not suffering from internilized racism, they just are racist/have racist tendencies. internilized homphobia/racism/misogyny or antisemitism comes from internilizing society's hatred and turning it into self hatred.
@@summerwine7465 I know that, I was referring to the way cis het men internalize the way anything outside of masculinity is treated and therefore they hate any feminine parts about themselves that could be seen as gay but the word would be toxic masculinity instead of internalize homophobia
@@antoniojimenez7895 ok???? so we agree that its not internalized homophobia and ur reply didnt add to anything!
Lil Nas really knows how to make people keep talking about whatever he does because he is an OG Barb (Nicki fan) and he really knows how to use social media better than so many celebrities
He recently shaded nicki he is not a barb
He was never a barb, he talked mad shit about nicki during his lil kim facts days and compared her to lil kim on multiple occasions.
@windsome audios and he said a p@rvey/p@do thing about his 3 year old nephew. He needs to be held accountable for all his tweets and bulling, not him being gay.but people gloss over these facts just because he’s gay but also because they only want to talk about him being gay.
He is not a barb
and he just compared nicki to lil kim
As a bisexual black man, this video gave me so much therapy. Lil Nas X continues to be a great inspiration for me everyday, he makes me proud of who I am in this world. Thank you for this!
Bro! Same here, bisexual and proud 🥲.
@@lavonnealexander6936 don’t mind me just hoping on the black and bi pride train 🚂
@@schwap7210 lmao 🤣
Jeez...
Ya'll ever notice that the parents that are "worried about the children being tainted" don't come so hard or at all for other artists like justin timberlake or Pharrell Williams who had songs blown up by younger audiences (like the trolls soundtrack and happy) even though their music career has had plenty of sexual content and themed songs. Its blatantly clear that what they are trying to shield their children from is not sexual content but sexuality itself and its so gross. Remind me who is supposedly pushing their agenda again?
the whole "boy and girl are friends? when's the marriage aha" thing, too
ALL degeneracy is something parents need to counter act.'
Certain material is inappropriate for underage minors.Period.
Regardless of sexuality.
@@stephj9378 yet you have straight parents talking about their kids being Heartbreakers when they're fucking nice to a girl or a boy or they'll have their kids wearing shirts that imply a sexual innuendo only they understand when they read it. Straight people only want to see their sexuality represented and pushed on them not anyone else's its very obvious
@@arimonroe7060
Good points
Any parent needs to be careful.
I remember one of my young cousins who refused to let their children wear clothes with logos and pictures of celebrities.
Made me think.
How many of us just do stuff without thinking of the long term effects?.
@@arimonroe7060
The fact remains that 90+ percent of the population is hetero.
We want children.
We NEED new members of society, so efforts are made to steer youth to hetero outcomes.
I gotta give him props for leaning into his identity rather than trying to paper over it or dodge questions or anything else. He's willing to look people in the face and say, "Yeah, I'm gay. What's that to do with you?"
Nas spent his past writing disgusting and offensive tweets about multiple black womxn. Go watch ItzKeisha and her video on it so you can educate yourself. He deserves hate for that and I'm part of the LGBTQ+ community but as a black woman myself, I can't/won't defend his foolishness. I want no part of someone who has to degrade black womxn in order to "lean into their identity"
@@abeltesfaye_ This "all or nothing" Twitter/Tumblr attitude is really poisonous. You can celebrate someone for doing something good without endorsing everything else about their lives. For example, I appreciate George Bush for refusing to endorse Trump or his brand of neo-fascism, while I condemn his arrogant imperialism that led to so many deaths in the Middle East. It's not one or the other. It's both.
@@abeltesfaye_ do you have source?
@@abeltesfaye_ First of all Miss Einstein, Lil has didn't make tweets towards black women, also he apologized multiple times over it, what should he do, crucify himself for your forgiveness? It's funny how you try to play the homophobic card by bringing back something some one did years ago like the dude was 15 and y'all throwing tantrums like you haven't done worst, if that's the reason why you hate him then I'm sure you we're never a fan of him, funny how people try to dig up someone's past mistake and use it against them, like you haven't made mistakes I've got something to tell you "GROW UP". he even said in his song " Sun Goes down" - there's more to life than dying over your past mistake. Also may I remind most of those your "*SOURCE*" are fake, alleged, anyone can try to throw dirt on someone's name just to bring him/her down. Am pretty sure you wouldn't like if someone brought up a mistake you did 10years ago and be like " oh she stole my candy 10years ago, so I will hate her for it"😂. Lastly you said your part of the lgbt community? Pfft I doubt I bet your one of those who be like I'm not homophobic I have a gay brother.
@@webtoonoverload4026 he didn't write inappropriate tweets about Black women, but he apologized for it? 🙄
Hearing men's views on this is incredible, but as a Caribbean woman, I really appreciated hearing my island brother's perspective on manhood in the Caribbean. Thank you, all of you, for giving your thoughts.
Yesss, same here! As a queer Afro-Caribbean woman myself, it was very refreshing, especially given the way it isn't talked about in my local context.
Me too!💜💜
@Sofia lambert it's ok, I hum it when I type Island gyal out sometimes too 😂
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YASSSSSS. I was washing dishes and damn near dropped the plate in the sink when I heard Saint Andrewism speak. Made my heart warm and hopeful 🥰
It's interesting because historically, society has made a link between queer men and femeninity. if gay or queer men are exclusively conceptualized as femenine, they can be subjected to a certain kind of "misoginy" in which they are belittled by masculine (and cis-het) men. I feel that's why there is this kind of interest in if a gay man is a top or a bottom as if their sexual preferences affected the way they interact with the power dynamic in our society. So that's why when a hyper masculine gay man appears in the conversation, I shatters the pre-conception that masculinity is inherently straight. And that's why some men feel somewhat threatened by it. (And this is also an example of how pathirachy can affect men)
Wait until they find out about bears, their minds will be blown.
yes yes yes, wouldn't be surprised if this was the case. also a bit of a rant: the (almost) insistence that in any relationships there has to be a "top" and a "bottom", which definition sometimes is just translating the typical men-women expected dynamics into same gendered relationship, completely dismisses the fact that 1) that's pushing heteronormativity where it doesn't belong, 2) not even every romantic/sexual relationships between men and women strictly follow this dynamic, and 3) that's just disrespectful and creepy. on top of that, it can further constraints non-het people from being their authentic selves in forming relationships in a world that largely already constraints us from being ourselves. some people might feel in order to have their relationship legitimised they have to fill that heteronormative role _or_ push their partner to fill said role, which just sucks for everyone involved. :-/
@Jakob Berg They literally never said that.
@Jakob Berg nah, that’s just you removing nuance and getting mad. Like they’re just pointing the obvious: there’s some specific hatred for the feminine aspect of certain gay men and that gayness has a tense relationship to masculinity.
This shit goes back to Ancient Greece, even. “This active/passive polarization corresponded with dominant and submissive social roles: the active (penetrative) role was associated with masculinity, higher social status, and adulthood, while the passive role was associated with femininity, lower social status, and youth.” Oxford Classical Dictionary entry on homosexuality, pp.720-723; entry by David M. Halperin.
This isn’t some new woke Twitter SJW hot take by white feminists lol, it’s old as shit. The comment is NOT attributing all the hatred to _~misogynoir~_ , just musing on how there’s a misogynistic aspect to certain forms of hatred for gay people.
You’re fine though. I’ve made the same mistake of removing nuance from a comment before. Just gotta remind myself that not everyone is arguing in bad faith or being extreme with their takes, you know? We can chill here
@Jakob Berg That’s not the argument though. You’re still taking out the nuance.
Nobody is saying that women are a target of homophobia. Rather, they’re saying that misogyny can also target gay men because gay men are often seen as feminine or similar to women.
To oversimplify, homophobia targets _only_ gay people, but misogyny can target _both_ gay men and all women. The OP was just talking about why misogyny can target gay men when it’s thought of as just a bias against women.
The nuance comes from the fact that this ‘misogyny against gay men’ becomes _one_ of the _many, many_ forms of/one of the many roots of homophobia, but it might just be easier to just conceptualize OP’s comment as “misogyny = women _and_ gay people hate.” Everybody’s at their own pace, so it’s fine if simpler terms are better for you-I often need simpler explanations-as long as you’re taking the time to learn a little bit along the way.
Like I said, we must keep in mind that this is not Twitter. Not every post that talks about misogyny is women making it all about themselves. We can actually have a cool discussion about how societal biases influence each other without worrying about woke Twitter SJWs here, as long as we keep that it mind.
Can we just appreciate how a Black WOman (one of the most marginalized humans in the US) is providing the space for Black men to have a discourse, to speak their mind? I love this!!!
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If she thinks Lil Nas X's antics are cool,...smh.
I dunno. I guess as a black 15 year old I kinda hate him in a way because I've spent the last 7 years of my conscious life starting to copy the " norm " and he was undoing everything I've worked for within what.. 4 months with two song.. I guess I didn't really even hate him.. I hated what he stood for because I was taught to be aware of it.. but I think I'm lucky he's a big thing now.. and not any later cause I'm seeing now that the way of thinking I was taught needed to be undone.. and I'm glad I'm only a teenager when it's happening .. I can't imagine what full 30+ years of teaching that must do to full grown men.. I feel really bad for them..
I just want to say thank you for being willing to address how you were wrong and changing your outlook. I think your analysis on why you disliked him goes for a lot of people honestly. Keep being great :)
I've never been homophobic but as a 34 year old LET ME TELL YOU it is very hard unlearning things and habits you've had your whole life. Especially if you didn't even realize it was a thing until someone else told you. Fucks up your whole worldview.
@@silentj624 that seriously opens up a whirlwind of so many topics on homophobia. It makes me think about how a lot of males talk about being allies but then call their friends gay for anything under the sun as an insult. It’s really interesting to think about how that could also stand for internalize homophobia.
@@KaiKailuv I totally agree. Bare minimum you don't know what you don't know. As a dark skinned black woman my life if normal for me, but I have learned that someone else's life may be normal for them but they just don't understand my experience. It's not because that dont care. It's not because they think less of me. They just don't know. And how can you know what you don't know?
Empathy can be hard, but it is necessary and sometimes it takes sacrifice.
the reason why i'm one of lil nas's biggest fans is bcs of how unapologetic he is about himself and his identity. He's pushing the agenda that you do not have to come into the rap industry as a straight, masculine man. He's pushing that barrier and allowing for more people like him to enter the music (or any) industry being unapologetically themselves. You don't really see many people do that, so seeing how lil nas is helping ppl like him want to be themselves makes me so happy. i love this man so much. may god bless him
I don't really consider his music to be rap though and most rap music fans aren't really bumpin his music like that so I have to disagree with part of your statement.
I really love his song “Sun Goes Down” everyone do your mental health a favour and listen to it.
Pleasd don’t say he’s a hip hop artist. Because he’s not! He’s a pop artist!
Most gay men with a platform: There is no Gay Agenda, we just want to be equal.
Lil Nas X: hey, watch this.
@@tylergriffin3667 what do you think is a "gay agenda" then?
I think what’s interesting is that in Industry Baby (I might be wrong) society is not used to seeing objectification/sexualization of men/hyper masculine man through the male gaze.
That's very true it's always been through the women who have been over sexualized
They're not used to self-identifying with the objects. A little jolt of humanity to shake them up.
Ye, that performance could easily be good lookin women models ( mostly light skinned) and people wouldn't ask a thing about it. I feel like world is not used to seeing black mans bodies so up close in a positive light. Bc we are all very used to people like 50cents's music videos where black man is the predator, the scary man who gets every women he wants. I feel like people are scared that their views of black men and black mens bodies are going get challenged.
You're right. Industry baby let's the viewer see more masculine presenting men in the same way ,cis het. individuals see feminine women on a regular basis. In a way it was probably a cultural shock and a long overdue one at that.
And that’s one of the things I love about the music video
I'm scared of Lil Nas X because he's strong enough to kill satan as well as rock some heels and the color pink while producing hit songs. That sort of power is not something you treat lightly.
👏🏽 👏🏽 👏🏽
I read an interview w Rupaul years ago and he said that in the 90s, in order to achieve success he knew the “character” of Rupaul could not be sexual. She was glamorous and beautiful but no one wanted to think about a black drag queen having sex or being sexual. What lil nas is doing is important, Black gay men have had to be sanitized and non threatening, which means non-sexual. Let him kiss all the boys!
Wow, that is so interesting!
When he talked about the male gaze it finally clicked for me that like wow, okay, as a gay man myself pretty much like almost all of mainstream media have not been made to cater for the gays, they are made for the cishet male gaze. Lil Nas X created something that are made for *us*, this is how good it feels to be seen and represented. Imagine having the privilege to have the cishet male gaze catered to in everything all of the time. I can't really imagine it because as an Asian gay man there does not exist even a fraction of that content that are made for me..
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I view Lil Nas X's music as pop not hip hop, but since he's black and rapping he's thrown into the hip hop sphere. Recently saw an interview with the producers of his album, and they were talking about how hard it is for black producers to be taken seriously within the pop genre, meaning that they view the music that they make with Lil Nas X as pop music.
It's interesting that we talk about how Lil Nas X breaking the mold of a black male rapper in hip hop, while at the same time confining him to that mold. Rap isn't confined to hip hop. It can be found in everything from pop music (Flo Rida and Pitbull) to hard rock / metal (Rage Against the Machine and Prophets of Rage).
I believe this video is a gate way to the conversation around how black musicians are tossed into a box, the same conversation that Tyler the Creator sparked after winning a Grammy for Igor.
I completely agree
He even broke the barrier with old town road! Being a black cowboy! People didn’t see that coming
Gréât point!
@@jasminerox292 that moment really showed the hypocrisy in how the country music industry was ok with, usually, white country artist taking from pop, hip hop, and rnb but still being allowed to be called country and bring in an audience. But lil nas x is where the line suddenly had to be drawn. Sam hunt half sing/talked his way to the CMAs but lil nas cant even share the chart for a couple of weeks. Smh. I dont remember anything too controversial about Dan and Shay having a song with justin beiber.
Black artist aren't allowed as much freedom to genre bend or just step outside rigged boundaries.
@@johnindigo5477 like i remember people didn't stop fully considering taylor (nothing against her, i love her) a country artist during Red era, it wasn't until she went full pop with 1989 that they gave it up, but the pop infused mix in Red was apparently okay but not Lil Nas X's ? i mean his is more on the pop side of things, but still, we are never ever getting back together, i knew you were trouble and 22 are nowhere near pure country, so idk seems sus
Khadija: "when kids find a song they like they will play it til the phone breaks"
Me as a doctor in paediatrics: *flashbacks to baby shark* 😳
Oh shit I'm so sorry o_o
Yes I did this to my family (not baby shark) it was painful for them I think
Me ,an auntie to a toddler: (cries in baby shark and anything cocomelon and for some reason mo Bamba)
@@kaityr9693 OMG NOT COCOMELON haahahahah
@@kaityr9693 cocomelon does a baby shark rendition in one of their compilations…*wails*
Saw a few people in the comments so: Fellow sweaty human here! Depends on the material, but first step for most is a degreasing dish soap with a little baking soda--breaks down deodorant residue and prewashes--I typically do that twice then toss it in with the normal wash. Usually does the trick!
Lifesaver
Shampoo works wonders too
Not all heroes wear capes 💗💖
Thank you!
Thank you!! I have a white 'Up' shirt that I love to death, and nooo matter what I've washed with the pits look sad. Totally overlooked how deodorant would effect the fabric. 🤦🏼♀️ I hope you have a great week!!
I always thought it was so interesting how things aren’t “valid” except cos straight men enjoy it without shame. Like look at the beetles they’re fan base was mostly female and they were treated like basically one direction they weren’t taken as serious musicians but the moment men joined the fan base they were legends and the basis of a whole form of music. Even with rappers like drake whose music can be said caters to the female audience isn’t taken serious. And even with female rappers they are selling out and making money and breaking records but it doesn’t matter their not “real” to these people because they have largely female and lgbtq fan bases. It’s dumb
EXACTLY THIS
So true.
To keep talking about systemic opression, do you know the darkskin TH-camr RASHIDA STROBER ?
Check her out. She is the Mother of DARKISM theory activism and is the first one to pin this therm IN THE WORLD.
She is a legend and will go in Herstory for what she is doing right now.
Exactly. Women's opinions are not seen as valid, unless a man agrees with them.
@@Steph_437
Thought not onlynstraight men do that. All of them do that.
The Beatles...bet u can guess I'm a fab4fan
Love the discussion of "envy" at 22:00. I appreciate the insight into what this is like for some men who are rascalized as black.
As a cis-het-white-man, who drank the hypermasculinity kool-aid, I had to do a lot of work to get past my jealousy of AMAB lgbtq people, who appeared fearless in their disregard the social norms I felt imprisoned by.
To see a man publicly admit to being gay, when I was too scared to wear a yellow shirt or admit I rather watch cooking show than football, made me feel like a coward. It took a lot of work for me to turn that jealousy into admiration.
Exactly what the quote at 33:05 described. Good for you to try to break free and just be yourself!
Same in certain respects.
I am straight, yet my personal tastes of clothing and how I like would leave too many ignorant people to assume otherwise: golden hair, hanging earrings, flowing garb, colors, etc.
I basically look like an anime character. And for years I refused to adopt that look, to express myself as I was afraid of being continually bullied and targeted by other men, doubly so in my own community.
Man, I just wanted to express my sense of fashion and wear cool clothes!
I stifled my truest sense of self and instead internalized a lot of defensive hyper violence and choked away a lot of actually sensitive nature. And even as a kid, I knew this on some level as at those times I described it best as a “poison that was imposed on me, a disease that the world gave to me and that I never asked to be sick like this.”
I made a choice to dash all of that this year and ever since that point, I’ve been the happiest I’ve been in some time, all difficulties considered.
With that said, brother I’m proud of you and I mean that. You figured it out, and finally allowed yourself be a person, a human being and that’s irreplaceable.
Man to man, I stand with you and implore you to keep at that work. Your internal happiness will show for it. Let’s do this together. 🤜🏿🤛🏼
Good for you! ❤❤❤
It's also what's killing our men like intensely probably why men die faster
"They're stucked in a cycle of violence, but they're afraid of what it would mean to escape"
Yeah, that was quite poetically tragic.
Lil Nas X and the other zoomers are the reason why I don't mind becoming an 'obsolete' almost 30 millennial, they're blazing through the world being unapologetically themselves, and in their wake I find a little more courage to be a little more like that, free-er from the chains of racialization and hetero-normative patriarchy.
Well said, thank you 🌈🦢🌈
Agreed, take the torch kids, you're crushing it.
💙💙💙
@@clsisman Absolutely
Khadija’s laugh gives me such a boost of serotonin
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Same lol🤣😭🤣‼️
YES 🙌 True true ❤️
"So you agree. Objectification is wrong." I hit that like button so damn fast....
And the tea sip after!! 😂
It's not just sexuality but the fact that he surrounds himself with Black bodies in all of our lovely shades - I know it's bothering them that he gets to be himself and unabashedly Black.
No lies 💯
Boosie’s Twitter gets very little engagement and the engagement he gets is from trolls so y’all don’t need to send him anything.
Yeah, Boosie is a lost cause🤣‼️
Where in the video do they mention Boosie? I watched it twice lol
@@akumamakima2280
The beginning
I LOVE Lil Nas X.
Being a bisexual women he makes me comfortable being myself. I’ve known I’ve liked women since literally elementary school and whenever I would ask my mom “is it okay for girls to like girls” she’d be “oh no gays go to hell, it’s against the Bible blah blah” and in my friend groups growing up some had that same belief that gay people go to hell. So imagine hearing that pretty much your whole life from family and friends, I genuinely thought something was wrong with me. And I grew up in a small town in TX so I really didn’t see queer people that much. For a long time I suppressed that part of me and it wasn’t until I was 22 that I said fuck it, I am who I am. I’ve told most of my family (expect my mom bc I’m just not ready for her to know) and most of my friends. When I told my fiancé, I was terrified but he was like yeah I could tell 😅
Even now I still struggle w myself bc there is A LOT of biphobia out there and I’m constantly having to remind myself that I am and how I feel are valid whether I end up with a man or woman. A part of me wishes that I had this kind or representation while growing up bc in middle school and high school all I did was date boys bc I thought that would fix my “gay” and never got to really explore that side of myself. However, I whole heartedly believe that my fiancé is my soul mate and no matter which way I would have gone I think we would of ended being together regardless. I could go on and on about this topic, I’m just happy that the generation below me can hopefully now be more themselves and where we are at as a society isn’t perfect but it’s a hell of a whole lot better now in my opinion. Thanks for coming to my ted talk. 💕
being bisexual and figuring that out is almost more confusing than being gay cause being in middle school i was like why am i looking at this swimsuit model i have a crush on a boy what does this mean? i know i like boys so why do i feel this way about my girl friend? finally just accepting you know i like both is so hard to get to but so rewarding💕
It is also particularly interesting too being a trans woman and also pansexual and that comes with unneeded discourse about my identity by violent outside “perspective” but thank you for your little ted talk ma’am 💕
@Lauri London I agree
@@kitj3301 very confusing! Especially when none of your friends talked about having crushes on girls. It can really mess with you, but I’m glad we’re allowed to be ourselves now 💕
@@MG-ql8sgsgloryhole thank you for listening 💕 it can be confusing but slowly figuring it out right 😅
I love the point about how music isn't being made for "everybody" anymore, that if you can't relate to it doesn't mean it's bad music
And honestly, that is just such a brilliant argument to bring up whenever people (especially white men in my experience) have said that music like WAP or Montero isn't good. And I just feel like that's not true! It's just music that isn't for you, isn't aimed at your demographic so you can't relate to it.
And if you can't relate that's fine, it's not a problem but it certainly doesn't mean it's bad music
So does that mean there are no bad songs? That’s where I have to disagree
@@christopherbrown5409 I actually think the "it's not for you" argument can extend even here. I study classical piano (same uni as Khadija went to actually 😅) and there's a heavy snobby attitude against "simpler music." I find myself scoffing at "basic sounding piano music" (four chords, arpeggiated, that kind of thing) and feel a lot of dissonance since it seems to be the type of piano music that the average listener enjoys the most. I also enjoy a lot of pop music that revolves around those same "basic" chord progressions. 😂 I think the human temptation is to yearn for the right to say something is bad, period, and not just because it's our opinion. But people respond to and love what they love, so if someone loves basic ass piano music, then it did its job for someone, right? It was for someone else with a different level of musical exposure/understanding, i.e. not for someone who has studied music for 18 years. I can still think it's bad but I don't have a right to tell someone who enjoys it that it's bad.
"Anybody who sets out and writes a universal novel has written nothing." - Toni Morrison. We can only reach universal feelings through talking about our particular experiences - if you try to make something that appeals to everyone you're going to end up with something exceedingly bland that bows down to homophobia, racism, and patriarchy.
@@ployogroos no ones rewatching birds of prey 😂
@@ployogroos plenty of people doesn’t equate to the box office numbers bud
"I'm nothing if not commited to a joke."
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I like that lil nas is being himself and I think he’s a funny person. I do feel like everyone deserves representation. People should stop blaming artists for what their children see. There are artists who make music for adults. I think we should normalized being who you are. the gay agenda should not be a bad thing.
Hi, black gay dude here. So Lil Nas X is the first guy I can "fully" identify to.
The album, is filled with BOPs and powerful song, he sang my growing up story. The confusion, the expectations, the dreams, all of it I lived it!
I think Lil Nas X is fighting an intersectionnal battle, being black and gay. Which is hard and he's doing it beautifully. Being happy, smilling, trolling while the hip-hop is about so much hardship is something trully unsettling, I think. Gen X rapper feeling irrelevant is also a big part of why Lil Nas X is perceived so dangerous ; women and gay men dominating their game...non ma'am.
Also I think a little bit of shame is in the mix . When hyper masculine straight dude have to face the fact that they are a part of the suffering of so many of us, there is a guilt they are not ready to deal with. So they lash out and vilify.
Anyway, Imma keep twerking to LilNasX's bops ; exercising my freedom and agency of choice to lift my spirit and maybe one day meet Moonshine...she might be able to help you with the stains.
Ok bye! xoxo
♥️💕🌈 🦢🌈💕♥️
Do y'all know the darkskin TH-camr RASHIDA STROBER ?
Check her out. She is the Mother of DARKISM theory activism and is the first one to pin this therm IN THE WORLD.
She is a legend and will go in Herstory for what she is doing right now.
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This is off topic but l love how Americans randomly break out into British accents because we also randomly like breaking out in American accents for no reason 😂😂😂😂
Really? That’s so soul gratifying to know. I love breaking out into British accents
I love this so much 😂
Oh God.
I love that 😂 are there certain generic phrases people like to break out in or just normal convos?
@@kleung2682 a lot of americans use the black american southern slang because they like using slang
Atlanta resident here. Nice to hear the gayness recognized 🏳️🌈🏳️🌈❤️❤️
💐🏳️🌈 mood!
I'm just genuinely worried for Lil Nas's safety. I think about it all the time. You mentioned he had a bodyguard after the one performance, but I hope he utilizes them when he can. All it takes is one evil person to go after him.
"He preserved parts of himself that they maybe don't know how to get back.". Wow. Some deep important truths in this video! Young boys forced into hyper masculinity oftentimes by Dads who were seen as less than. If you feel that you are seen as less than a man then your masculinity becomes more important! Also in my community a lot of the poorest people and so a lot of black kids ended up in care or in prison where rape is a real issue and so those kids, my comrades, were super homophobic. And we knew why and so we let them off. Defensive homophobia from kids in care was everywhere in my very poor community.
Really appreciated the “Take a Black man’s word” section! Also, unrelated to the topic but I find Diriye’s voice to be especially lovely :)
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@@KhadijaMbowe I don’t want to make ~salacious speculations~ about what happened between you two in the bedroom, but I’d like to imagine that he used that soothing voice to read you stories while you gently fell asleep
@@sams1982 this is the cutest speculation I've ever read and I love it 🤧
Awesome video. Omar in The Wire is another great example of a gay black man being portrayed in a way that was probably very uncomfortable to people who feel as though black masculinity has to look a certain way and that black male homosexuality has to look another, completely separate way. I always found it refreshing how unapologetically gay Omar was, while simultaneously not fitting the “gay black man” stereotype at all. One minute he’s knocking drug dealers over for their product and the next he’s French kissing his boyfriend.
@@Neo.Jordon If people don’t mind “oversexualization” when it comes from straight people then they’ll be alright if it comes from gay folk. Straight people have been sexualized all my life. If I find it to be over the top, I don’t watch it, but I also don’t make demands about how straight people should express their sexuality if they’re not hurting anybody.
Exactly!
@@Neo.Jordon so if it’s the over sexualization…then it is at least in part because he’s gay, as there are no issues w the same or more explicit material when the subjects are women. The over sexualization only becomes a problem when it’s men being sexualized by another man.
@@Neo.Jordon Just want to clarify that we aren’t in agreement. My point was that Omar, similar to Lil Nas X and the characters in Moonlight was being gay in a way that wasn’t easily palatable to people who have an issue with homosexuality. Like Khadija mentioned in the video, part of what made things like the Industry Baby video controversial was that he wasn’t just being gay in the way many (homophobic) people expect a gay black man to act.
@@Neo.Jordon So in your opinion, oversexualization in media is an issue regardless of if the content is gay or straight, right?
In that case, I still don’t think you can say that the reason most people are mad is because of the over sexualization because we just aren’t seeing this same kind’ve outcry when it is coming from a straight artist. (Unless the song is by a woman, then people have a whole other slew of issues with it apparently).
I respect your opinion in feeling like oversexualization is an issue in media in general (although I don’t agree with that either). I just really don’t think it is the reason most people are upset with Lil Nas X. I think many people are just using it as a scapegoat because they don’t want to acknowledge that it is the gay aspect of the sexualization that is making them uncomfortable.
I have no reason not to believe you when you say that your only concern is the oversexualization. But saying it is the reason so many people have a problem with Lil Nas X is actively taking light away from a real problem that is still running rampant in society (homophobia).
the "Take a black man's word" section was very, very good and i appreciate all of the interviewee's insights
When you are told over and over again throughout your life that your only value in this world stems from your perceived masculinity, it's not really surprising that when someone comes along and threatens that status quo, people are going to lose their minds. It's hard to redefine what it means to be a black man when that definition has been forced upon you for generations via a society informed by systemic racism. This goes far deeper than lil Nas X but the reaction is a glaring symptom of that deeper trauma in the black community.
Thanks for yet another lovely video. This cis white gay dummy appreciates hearing all of these voices that provide the opportunity to expand my capacity for compassion and understanding.
Lil Nas X is legit an icon. He knows when to joke around with bigots and when to be serious. His music is topnotch, Montero is amazing.
@John Xina like what? In comparison to other celebs, Lil Nas X isn't really that problematic, the only big reason people dislike him is cause he's unapologetically gay. And maybe cause he wants associates with Nicki. I don't "idolize"Nas, cause I feel like he's pretty transparent with who he is and what he works with, that's why I like him
@John Xina woah, way to be patronizing. Listen, I don't idolize really anybody, not even a God. To quote Marge Simpsons "I just think they're neat"
@John Xina ok, looked at the video. Sucks that Nas was being Islamophobic. Again, could have just said that instead of being vague and patronizing. Just cause I said somebody is an icon, doesn't mean that I'm a naive Stan. I just meant that Nas' influence was impactful in mostly positive way.
Lil Nas.. Has truly inspired, renewed and given hope to silent/silenced souls in towns/citys and country's/continents around the world. Who may not yet have the confidence/personal autonomy to yet walk their truth due to constraints they may feel. Lil Nas is unique and needs to be protected x
Lmfao Key and Peele’s office gay comes to mind
Wow… he was only introduced to us in 2018… it seems like he’s been here for a minute, but it really wasn’t that long ago… side note, and not the point but just wow… he’s really done a lot in his time thus far!
right???
off topic but you’re just so naturally funny it’s making it impossible for me not to develop an unhealthy parasocial friendship with your online persona lmao
For the longest time I was afraid to accept the fact that I loved to do drag because I was programmed to think that I had to be super masculine all the time. I am finally at the point where I give no fucks. Lil Nas has definitely inspired me in that way. And I see the power in representation through him
I was having this conversation with one of my brother's friends and he was like "He is influencing children and all of this gay stuff is in the media" I told him that if that's the case, why should there be any kind of sexual activity in cartoons for children? you weren't concerned about it when the boys in cartoons would aggressively hit on the girls until the girls hit them, or when there would be a kiss between straight love interests in almost every cartoon, where was the outrage then? And those kids would still turn out gay...so what was his point?
Pepe le pew was a cartoon character for kids who's while shtick was literally chasing down a woman who had no interest in him and forcing himself on her. He was left out of the space jam remake and people are loosing their minds because there won't be a rapist in the movie 🤦♀️
@@esmeraldagreengate4354 let’s also not forget the likes of Johnny Bravo and that one eagle on Tom & Jerry (actually any of the womanizing characters on there even). Watched all of these straight cartoons growing up and still managed to be gay
@Black Baby 98 when were you a kid? I grew up in the nineties and never heard anything like that. I don't think I heard the term until maybe 10 years ago. Then again I do live in the middle of nowhere
His new album is fire!! My inner black auntie wants to protect this young man at all costs, too.
Same. I actually never liked his music till "Call Me By Your Name." Now i'm a hardcore fan and want to protect him.
@@kaylalaufeyson8828 what?
@@kaylalaufeyson8828 he isn’t lol
@@kaylalaufeyson8828 girl bye lol
Same like he is doing what's needed to be done
"You can inspire others just be existing in your own agency and power" - YES. YESSSS.
That part about seeing the kid happily eating watermelon instantly changing his view... I really liked that, and it reminded my of my own recent experience
I was out at a public beach with friends, and saw another woman super casually take off her top, while having a phone call, and just idly stand there topless and in no hurry, while there were so many people around minding their own business. I don't know who she was, but she really made me think how much I'm really overthinking showing my own chest freely like that, that I too could do it as fearlessly as her and like any man can.
He is extremely social media savy especially in terms of marketing his product and branding his specific artistic identity. However, he is still young and his unparalleled engagement in social media may eventually lead to some backlash, because of some stupid reason like unearthing some old tweet that will be taken in the wrong context.
He'll navigate that bridge when he gets to it. He has the range.
that is definitely already happening! there are a few tweets that he made that are classic edgy 15 year old barb tweets. a whole section of twitter despises him for this and trashes him whenever he does something bc they don’t like that he hasn’t addressed those tweets
@@ane3sha glad social media wasn't a thing when I was 15 bc i said some ignorant shit I'd like to leave behind me
It's already happened. From what I've heard, people found an old account where he said anti-muslim bs
That already happened. And he landed well
My father is a total victim of the patriarchy and only in the last years has he opened up more feelings-wise. He is in his mid 70s so maybe age softened him, but the male gaze and that everything is made for him and his consumption... oh boy how tiring to be around and especially to grow up with as his daughter!
I appreciated Saint Andrewism and his mention of the bell hooks quote.
For real I'd just read the book that quote was from and his extrapolation of it into this topic really hit me
The way I hollered when you said, “homosexuals, the plan is working”😭🤣😭 I’m weak! I love you Khadija ❤️🙌🏾✊🏾
I think it's very thought provoking that Lil Was X is breaking these stereotypes. His stereotypical hard, racialized black male appearance mixing with his feminine actions causes me and others to rethink and redefine what we originally thought was feminine or masculine, and I love it.
Don't know if you were serious, but... Best sweat stain fix I've found: Pour some white vinegar on the pit area of shirt and let it sit a bit. Rub in some baking soda and salt. (The BS reacts with the vinegar, and both provide a little scrub to lift deodorant particles). Then wash as usual. Great video as usual!
I was! thank youuu
Thank you for sharing! Also have similar sweat stain problems 😅
I'm going to use this on my clothes too! Thanks for sharing👍🏾
Sounds like absolute bullshit. If you're having bad sweating problems in the armpits, look into botox injections for the armpits (yes its a thing, it works).
@@perperperpen they're talking about washing the shirt, not stopping the sweat lol
notice how nobody talking about the kids when normani & teyana grinding on stage and chloe licking mics 😮💨😮💨
What are you talking about lol??!? Chloe gets SO much hate especially from men even before she preformed at VMA.
@@highsky101productions6 i haven’t necessarily seen men saying anything just women upset she became too sexualized all of a sudden which i think is because her record label wasn’t satisfied with her and halle’s attention together so they broke them up and gave the curvier one the spotlight
@@aaliyahbeeby oh ok
@@aaliyahbeeby well, that’s not true lol Halle was given the opportunity to play Ariel in the Little Mermaid. They were separated for months and Chloe had free time. Chloe X Halle together were relatively successful. Both of their albums were Grammy nominated and very well received critically. The way Chloe has dressed on stage hasn’t changed at all.
@@aaliyahbeeby but I'm talking specifically about when she did the tiktok challenge and got tons of hate for it
The queen talking about the king. Perfectly balanced. As all things should be
I’m pretty sure they’re non-binary ☺️ not sure how they feel about gendered pronouns/titles, but I thought I should let you know!
Well said
@@suoutubez19 Khadija is non binary?
she has a girlfriend though
@@suoutubez19 i read their Twitter or watched a video? and if I'm remembering right they id as a woman (sorry, womxn) and use they them pronouns but i may be wrong about them being a woman.
Eta: I googled and i believe it was the womxn video
Third try: Haha yeah i rewatched part of it and they id as womxn, duh, but I'm out of steam for now and not sure if that reflects a non-binary identity so i will now stop inputting
I like that Lil Nas X is powering through and trying to give representation his own community does not see much. He turned his 15 minutes into a long term career and just trying to make a change. I really respect and support him trying to create a safer space for himself and others.
Funny thing about Old Town Road being declared ‘not country enough’ is that whoever said that never googled the whole damn history of african-american cowboys lol
This video is needed! I loved the addition of the black men on this topic. Lil Nas X also just released a song called One of Me that literally talks about the traditional fan/haters tryna tell him how to be. This expands on his own thoughts perfectly ✨
Absolute fantastic video!
Lil Nas is an artist. I love how much he is pushing people to pay attention.
Now Boosie, Boosie, he thinks every woman that said Cosby raped them was lying about it for money.
me too
Holly!
This was so brilliantly put together! Thanks for making this happen Khadija❤️🙌🏽
Ahhh thank you so much for being part of it!!!
You did a great job Saint Andrewism👏🏾‼️
Also being an openly gay black man I just wanted to say I love this. Lil Nas X gives me a space to live in. He allows me to be comfortable and he is a voice for us to be heard. He has completely shaken black culture and I’m so for it. Love the video and thank you so much for the “black men” section. It just gave me even more reassurance that I’m not alone. Truly, thank tou so much for this video, I needed this!
Legit - before you said it I was typing notes Bc I sent this video to my children (one who’s 19 and the biggest nas x fan) and I typed that we can all change our opinion as we gain knowledge, so remind those who question your state of values/opinions.
I, previously, was a person who said things like ‘not too gay’ of ‘he acts white even though he’s black’. I was a part of the problem… now I want to be part of the solution. Thank you for your videos so I can continue to learn and also teach my children… even though that shouldn’t be your job, I’m grateful for it and hope one day of won’t be
I've been listening to Montero all day so your timing is perfect
I love your profile pic :)
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Ik this comment will be irrelevant in a day, but it's important to remind each other and get those voter participation numbers up!
Vote vote vote!!
I had no idea y'all having an election tomorrow
I voted early!!!
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I voted early too! I'm in BC. 🧡
Not eligible to vote yet but I’m from Ontario
"They're always sticky. Why are they always sticky?"
Take my like
BTW, the album is ridiculously good, you can play any song and it's a potential #1. How many hip hop albums are like that now?
I fell for the fake "Spotify is gonna remove Montero" troll he did, and to this day, Spotify always recommends it first whenever I log in. Lmao. Well played.
Lmao that was fake??
@@sohnaminta.9264 I know ;_; I was so dumb!
This channel is thriving. I've followed you for so long and you keep getting more refined and professional. Your research is excellent as usual
Another great video ❤️ FD really hit the nail on the head. I can’t tell you how many times straight men have felt the need to say to me “you’re cool with me,” or “I accept you,” or something along those lines as a way of giving me their consent to exist. The main one was “what you do behind closed doors is none of my business.” It still irks me because it implies I (and other LGBT folks) need to keep our same-sex partnerships hidden from public view. As long as you keep it “behind closed doors,” straight men who believe in this ideology are cool with you. However, once you start holding hands/kissing someone of the same sex in public or on an awards show stage you become a problem and pushing your “lifestyle” on poor innocent straight folks and their children whom they assume are heterosexual by default.
Who is he hurting though? Not like he’s taking their women. Sorry but I love that lil’ boy even if not all his music is my style. Every time he dons feathers I’m like “Go get it!” and my heart swells just a lil bit more each time.
He is making them feel those feels they locked deep down inside themselves maybe 🤷♀️
@@esmeraldagreengate4354 the video sums it up when she mentions he’s pretty masculine (or rather, not stereotypically feminine) and that’s where the threat is but still. I can’t get over the thought of people should let him live his life because he’s not after their women, lol.
*Being who you really are takes bravery and I'm mad I wasted my early 20s trying 2 conform. Loved hearing different perspectives.*
Oh man, same. I'm trying to figure out how to forgive myself for valuing lack of conflict over being my true self for so long. But we are making progress. ❤️
People like earl sweatshirt and tyler the creator also did alot to help pave the way for "whimpy"and "geeky" looking black men to find acceptance in hip hop, tyler and earl are both very unique and aren't the typical tuff guy thug persona, they're like the geeky band kids everyone makes fun of, Tyler the creator and others really did alot for opening those doors
Woah. Love the term "racialized". Awesome way to simultaneously recognize race, and the fact that it isn't real.
My new favorite saying: Why are you loud, why are you wrong, why are you both!
The male gaze and the hyper masculine is the result of why there are so many Down Low Brothers. Which has ruin a lot of relationship and trust with BM and BW.
Lolll they say they want these men to be “open and live in their truths” yet when they do, there’s hell to pay. Like sis, you can’t have it both ways 😂😭
@@kris232ful My thing is … we should address the people that are giving them that hell. Who is hurting or endangering these men who come out as gay? I think it’s dishonest to say that the “live your truth” camp is the exact same group that’s making coming out dangerous
@@louenatnine51 Dangerous can have different connotations. Maybe not PHYSICALLY making it dangerous, but these men are outcasted once they come out. Especially masculine gay black men. I’ve seen it happen myself. And, let’s not pretend that the “live your truth” camp ain’t one of the most toxic camps perpetuating this nonsense.
Great video. A interesting and intelligent discussion. I was in Mobile AL a few weeks ago. Mobile has a large gay community. My husband and I were in a “straight” restaurant and two young flamboyant black men came in as a couple. No big deal. I said to my husband they have a hero. This was downtown with no parking. They had to walk down the street. It was great to see it. Why I use quotes is the restaurant clientele and most employees were heterosexual. However they had two Pride flags in a small space. This was after Pride month, they were permanent. As a white man I know it easier for us to be open. When I see black men being open about their sexuality it shows a real real change in society.
"You can always change your mind" has helped me so much through the months I have been listening to your essays. Thank you.
"why are you loud, why are you wrong, why are you both" words to live by
I haven't watched the video yet but I love your use of "racialized." So much of the conversation I see take race for granted at face value. I just feel like the goal of our discourse should be critically analyzing and ultimately dismantling race, not propping it up. So thank you!
Love your username.
Do y'all know the darkskin TH-camr RASHIDA STROBER ?
Check her out. She is the Mother of DARKISM theory activism and is the first one to pin this therm IN THE WORLD.
She is a legend and will go in Herstory for what she is doing right now.
This conversation also brings up super complex thoughts for me about how we define masculinity vs femininity as a culture--Lil Nas X has definitely embodied both, even wearing dresses (or dress-suit hybrids) in his music videos and on multiple red carpets, his album promo involves a lot of nudity, pale blues, pinks, purples, and butterflies--all visual cues typically associated with femininity! At the same time, he's played with traditionally hypermasculine imagery like football, cowboys, prison, etc, as well as the points you brought up about how his physical features are perceived in society. It's always interesting to me the gendered weight we give physical features vs fashion, hair, etc, and how that plays into what kind of gender performance is acceptable within society and what gets pushback.
This was amazingly eye opening! Thank you for doing what no one else has done thus far by giving us this insightful perspective from black men on this topic.
This is one of the greatest breakdowns that I’ve seen in a while… and for that, you’ve got a subscription.
There’s so many people, self included, who love Lil Nas X automatically because we love NIN. Came for the remix, stayed for his lovely creativity
As a black NIN fan of over 15 years, YES. 🙌🏾
??? What y’all talking bout? They did a song together or something?
@@annward7794 a track off Ghosts is whats sampled under Old Town Road!
SAME
@@annward7794 th-cam.com/video/XF_ceFugJjQ/w-d-xo.html
My kids are going to listen to your videos when they get a tad older. You are fire! Love, love, love this analysis!