I think that since no one got my input nor consent on where the bar for decency and self-respect should be, I don't feel I need to participate in upholding it. I run my body how I please so I expect no different from others. To Lizzo: Flaunt away. No one asked you what you wanted for your life so you don't owe them anything.
I can relate to seeing a bigger lady feel comfortable in her skin-particularly when she is in the public eye. I've been at the higher end of straight sizes a majority of my life, and I'm only now (in my 40s) coming to grips with the fact that its okay for me to be sexy and big and healthy and happy in my skin. I don't have to look like those "skinny b!$@&" to be happy. I don't have to cover up when I go surfing because my "fat" is unsightly (trust me-this is a thing). I can be flaunting in my own way and seeing someone else do this gives me power to free myself from the self-imposed and external thought prisons. Great video!
@@Neo.Jordon The bar should be in a place that does not physically nor socially hinder another from enacting their own brand of self-respect. This will require more work from us in actually getting to know a person and discovering how they see themselves; but so what? What else are we doing that we can't take that time? There are no one-size fits all answers. If we want to know whether or not Lizzo respects herself, we're going to have to learn it from her, not our own ideals. "Before you can read me you gotta learn how to see me." -En Vogue
There is ONE thing that bothers the hell out of me about a good portion of “fat acceptance” supporters, and it’s that they will only see someone for their size, and take all criticism about them outside of that and say it’s due to fat phobia. Kind of like the whole “you can’t criticize x because they’re in x minority group.” When someone criticizes me, I want it to be based on my work or my actions, not the fact that I’m a black gay woman (this is an extremely reductive example). I’m sure that Lizzo doesn’t want people to only see her for being a large black woman. People keep putting her and other large women into these boxes and calling it “fat acceptance” I can’t stand it. It feels disingenuous as fuck.
You're right. She triggers our innate psychological dislike of fat people. It's a biological trigger from the times where one person's overindulgence in food meant others would starve cuz there wasn't enough to go around. It is biologically coded in us just like we take beauty as a sign of good genes.
If I had a daughter who was a fan of Lizzo, I wouldn't be worried at all. She can rap, dance, play a classical instrument, and she shows people that it's ok to feel good about your body. And on top of all that, it seems like she's a nice person. But if I had a daughter who was a fan of the Kardashians, I would be very worried.
I really like this idea of flaunting, to be unapologetically yourself. As a black girl, just seeing Lizzo be so freely her, has really inspired me. You can't ignore her and I wouldn't have it any other way
I do not think she is being herself, she is agitated by the society she lives in, and its supposed hypocritical view of slim vs fat women, and therefore acts the way she does in a response to that.
The “I’m okay with (insert a group of people living their life but has the locals vexed) living and existing but they just don’t have to parade it everywhere”, that crowd makes no sense to me … the whole point of representation is to be SEEN! The existence of these groups bothers them because when they are in your face, you have to confront their identity and take it in as presented, not try and put them in a category or fix them into stereotype because they simply refuse to comply.
not related to the comment itself but bruh i see you in all the good videos and having amazing takes on it. Btw luv your channel, especially ur take on the "i don't dream of labor" trend ❤
Yes, 100%. Just say you're sexist, homophobic, fatphobic, etc. and move on. Clearly those kind of people are not actually okay with whatever group they're talking about.
I've been an (Australian) size 8, and I'm now a size 22. When I was thin, it was because I was dealing with serious depression and disordered eating. No one ever thought I was unhealthy then. Now, I'm happier than I've ever been; I'm mentally healthy for the first time in my whole damn life. And yet I can't even go and visit my own mother because every time I see her, she asks why I'm "still fat". I get looks in the street. I've been turned down for jobs that I was well qualified for. This world is openly hostile to fatness, not to mention how a lot of health professionals handle it. It fucking sucks. You know what doesn't suck? Seeing Lizzo shake her fat ass up on stage in front of thousands of people and being successful despite the naysayers. I hope one day we can disassociate the perception of "health" from weight and body shape, because these notions are outdated, harmful and ridiculous
I kind of feel like the sitcom Living Single could be used as a good example of racialized Black women being portrayed as sexy (granted, in 90's sexy) as well as having full, active lives that weren't about them being fat/not fat/losing/gaining weight. Queen Latifa and Kim Fields prepped us for Lizzo, and I wish it hadn't taken so long!
The Church of the Algorithm gives this video its blessing, and must it stay clear of the blasphemers from The First Algorithmic Temple (and the many people impersonating their members).
Self-objectification is a weird concept because if Lizzo is objectifying her body, she is still doing it as a person who has agency and the ability to make that choice. If her body becomes an object, then she (as the person) is sharing enjoyment of an object (her body) that she possesses. It gets into a weird field of separation vs. unity of person and body. I think, when someone flaunts in such a way as to be easily objectified, the audience who objectifies along with them feels like they're in on it and feel less bad about it as a result. And feeling "in on it" means there's someone telling it in the first place, which can have this roundabout effect of de-objectifying the self. IDK I'm rambling
I feel you. There is no simple answer. If we lived in a healthier society where viewing ppl as objects wasn't a thing, clutching our pearls over skin and/or different sized bodies wouldn't be a thing either. There is only outrage and questions because of the constructed idea of "self-respect", and that it can only present in a very specific way.
Ok so here’s my piece on it: why do we favor objectification over subjects? Can you not be a sexual subject? Can you not enjoy your sexuality as a whole complex person? Even if you are focusing on the body, can it not be done as an individual with agency?
@@theone-eyedwitch900 this! because i agree with OP, but at the same time how limiting is it that we only ever relate our sexuality through objectification, even when we are the ones doing it. Like even that process makes it de-objectified sure. But why is the starting point objectification? Why is being an object the neutral, even when you as the subject is inherently subjective
@3g0st to me, it seems like we’ve distanced ourselves so much from sexuality that we have a disconnected perspective of it. Like we have our personality and our sense of self, and then we also have our sexual self, and the idea of keeping them separate is actually seen as desirable, for example good girl is secretly freaky (the way it’s treated like an alter ego or something repressed) and objectifying promiscuous people, when in actuality it’s just different contexts of the same self. You can be a slut and a person, you can be wholesome and kind and also freaky as one complete person. these things are treated as discordant and incapable of coexisting in one complete being because 1) we do not view sex as a natural part of life (for allos), but as a Secret 2) we see it as something that someone does to someone else as opposed to a social activity between two people
My disordered eating toggles between episodes of starving and binging. My siblings and I all have disordered eating, but I've always gotten the most comments on my body because I'm "the fat one". Even when one of my siblings was known to be in a eating disorder treatment program, I would still get comments from extended family members how I need to "be careful how I eat".
There’s a whole set of videos on here that centre on Elmo from Sesame Street’s beef with an actual rock. I found it funnier and more relatable than the kiddo I was trying to entertain did...
when she said "maybe i could find success this way... why did my parents tell me this is wrong again" that hit me particularly hard because i grew up fat and i'm always spellbound (and even get a little teary, oops) when i see people who look like me on the gram being creators, influencers, etc living their best life because i feel so happy that the social media generation gets to have these role models to show them that it's okay to be whatever body type compared to the 90s-00s' extreme anti-fatness that had me and many others believe for ages that "happiness = lose the weight first" until it was clear that obviously isn't true at all. it's literally just about being happy, healthy*, and a good person. *also minding your business if you see a fat person exercising or not eating "junk", they could be doing either or both just because they enjoy it
@@BeautyAnarchist yes. and i hate the fact that i’ve actually internalised this. my external family (aunts, uncles, relatives) have made comments about my body before, so i dread going to family gathering and when i do go, i get so conscious if anyone’s judging my intake of food that i purposely hold myself back from eating as much as i want, and if i wanna take more food i make myself do it a little at a time. i put up a show of trying to prove that i don’t eat that much “despite being fat” so that they can’t use it as ammunition against me. and thus a lot of times i’m never full after these family gatherings despite the abundance of good food. (funny thing is sometimes they encourage me to finish more food if there’s a lot of leftovers and assume just because i’m fat i’ll take any chance to eat food, and then turn around to shame my body, hypocrites lmao) even when i’m hanging out with my friends in a safe space, i sometimes get conscious too and wonder if i’m eating too much and if they think, “wow no wonder she’s fat she eats so much”.
When you're fat, even doctor's don't really look at your health. Despie cholesterol, BPM, or blood pressure a doctor will tell you to lose weight if you're over that straight size. There are doctors who refuse to run tests or listen to the physical complaints of fat people because they are so focused on the person's weight. I can't tell you how many plus size individuals have had me file complaints against doctors for ignoring what they came in for and spent a whole appointment talking about weight instead of the person's condition or pain. It can be incredibly disheartening and completely destroys the relationship between doctors and patients. A lot of times the doctors telling them to lose weight won't even give information on how to do so in a healthy manner. There's never discussions about healthy eating, what it looks like, or what exercises to try. Doctors don't seem interested in improving the health of a person who is plus sized so much as they want everyone to fit into the straight size or a 'healthy BMI' - which we all know isn't a measure of health in any way.
The other unfortunate reality is that a lot of fat people will choose to not see a doctor for years because they know they won't get treated but just get lectured and talked down to and any health issue blamed on their weight. I mean, why would you subject yourself to that if you know you won't get help, you'll be stressed like crazy up to and during the appointment, and then you are going to get charged extra (copay) for the useless lecturing?
My thing is, when it comes to her recent outfit, people don't hate the outfit, they hate the body that is in the outfit(in most cases) which is sad. People like to say "I'm all for body positivity but......"
Because such obesity isn’t healthy no matter what you say, feeding into people indulges thus giving them a safe spot. You cannot stop shame, shame keeps people in balanced, shame keeps people from doing certain things, and when they do do it they don’t want others to find out. Find the ones who want to help you an not shame you, but expecting society to just change their minds as a collective is dumb. People are just so obsessed with their virtue signaling compulsion
I think humans in general need to let go of the idea that you can tell ANYTHING about someone from a glance. Your body is simply a single side to a complex object that represents the human experience.
This! I'm a healthcare practitioner and I learned in school how studies show that active, obese individuals have a lower mortality rate than inactive people of an "average" size. Lizzo's amazing endurance and breath control is a testament to the fact that it's completely possible to be healthy and fat. Some people just naturally carry more weight on their bodies. It's much more detrimental to the body to go up and down in weight ("yo-yoing") than to just stay fat, and that's been proven time and time again. The most dangerous thing to fat people's health is actually the stigma that's rooted in our entire culture, including the healthcare industry.
*Theory: whenever I see a plus size women, society is literally telling them you can be that size but, you can't be happy about it. My only issue is that this is an issue. I play trumpet for a decade & can say playing flute is nothing to joke about it, you have to have an extra set of lungs on standby, she's so talented.*
Why is everyone so invested in making something out of nothing?? She has an incredible voice and charisma, she doesn’t need y’all to be scraping the bottom of the barrel to find something to rave about like… the flute. It’s one of the easiest instruments to play, period. It also lacks dynamics in sound, which is why it is rarely ever used in solo work or in popular music. It’s a cool thing she can do..great! But it is not something to be writing home about, come on. She has enough talent to discuss without exaggerating her flautist accomplishments😩😩
I think everybody wants to be the one who was the inspiration for helping that fat person or this fat person through whatever they were dealing with in their health journey. That's what I've dealt with.
No society is saying don’t be dishonest about the serious health problems that come with being fat overweight or obese , that’s the problem, a lot of the body positivity movement deny that fat and health are correlated.
People feel so entitled to verbalize their opinions on others bodies, even if they’re not a celebrity. Like no Stacy, I don’t care that you noticed I lost weight. Congratufuckinlations you have eyes. and the obsession with health thing really gets me. You can’t look at someone and X-ray vision their bmi, or muscle to fat ratio. Doing crash diets and over exercising to stay in straight sizes is also bad for your health.
I've found as a man that, when you really like someone's presentation, and a compliment is in order (and honestly, if it's at the workplace, think about ten goddamn times before you open your mouth, guys, it's not about PC, it's about decency), compliment someone's choices, not their "bodies". She chose those boots, he chose that shirt, she chose to wear a dress with an incredibly bold pattern that someone else might feel intimidated by, he chose to buy and wear that blazer that's not just another practically invisible suit, and I definitely make choices I like to be complimented on. But my hair colour? It's obviously natural, and I'm glad you like it but ... whose choices exactly are you complimenting? If it were obviously a vivid choice, I'd feel differently. And don't compliment someone's body via their clothing. I don't understand why this is difficult, and I see inappropriate "compliments" about bodies all the time in youtube videos that horrify me, particularly when someone female has a good platform.
@@delusionnnnn iunno I know quite a few women and men who workout a lot and they are really receptive to compliments about their physique, might be the only exception. As for work I just barely talk I mostly listen to people and ask about their kids and events in their lives, don’t think I’ve ever complimented a person on their looks at work.
@@Zom13y Part of the issue is objectification, and part of it is not obsessing over bodies. If we're both into regular working out and all of that, I don't think this is going to be some sort of shock and it's something two particular people can talk about. It becomes more of a problem when certain types of people are always complimented primarily on their bodies when there's more going on, particularly if they're women, and TH-cam is a great example of that. Hours and hours of work into writing, filming, and editing a video that's about something intellectual, funny, or serious, to have it all boil down to how "cute" or "hot" the host is in 10-50% of the comments. But if you get into the mindset of looking at people making the choices that almost all people can make, and some succeeding quite well, magically one may find that one is no longer limited to complimenting people of their sexual preference who have "ideal bodies", particularly of "conventionally attractive" and usually thin women by straight men. Considering choices almost everyone can make humanizes people.
@@delusionnnnn okay I think I get what your laying down, I would be more complimenting someone on them improving on their efforts in an activity rather than just saying objectifying them because of their looks?
@@Zom13y Provided you knew (or could reasonably assume) that was an interest of theirs, it seems pretty reasonable. But I wouldn't in my case, for example, do the same with someone I didn't know personally and we'd never talked about it because it's just too many assumptions and not a shared interest.
I love Lizzo. I've been big my whole life and I remember being a little girl and having dreams of being a pop star but thinking I could never be one because I was a fat person. People don't want to see a fat person live and be happy. And I hate hearing people commenting how she's not healthy 😒 like B, are YOU healthy? Do you drink? Do you smoke? Do u exercise everyday? They don't care about her health!
I was hearing my straight male friends complaining about lizzo being comfortable with her body and showing it off. So I'm really excited to see this video
As a dietitian, yes yes yes yes yes a million times yes! Lizzo may make choices that are intrenched in diet culture (juice cleanse and such) but she is challenging the status quo of perceived health and fitness.
Wonderful video! Also, regarding you point about health and fatness, I always get very tired of the word "unhealthy" being used to remove a person's worth. The amount of times I have heard that word being used to justify horrid words and really harmful ideas being pressed upon fat people is so disgusting. Let's say every fat person is unhealthy, let's say you can see that from the outside. Do they not deserve love? Do they not deserve respect, or just being treated like a human being? Having been fat my whole life, I have learned to dehumanize myself before anyone else has the opportunity to do it. There comes a point where you truly belive you are not human, that you do not deserve to feel happy because you committed the unforgivable sin of being big, being fat. Punishing people for things that are often outside of their control has always been despicable, and I'm so happy to see people like Lizzo being unapologetically herself. Of course, looking at any comment under her ig posts or tiktok can ruin my entire day, but it really does help seeing a big woman acting like a person, as it reminds me that I also am one (regardless of how weird that sounds). Just wanted to mention this, as I loved all the points you made!
@@cherrypanda887 I feel this. Conversations obsessing over health are literally only a few minutes away from someone outright saying "if you're sick, it's your own fault", which is only a few minutes away from mask-off eugenics.
The straight sized unhealthy person and fat person healthy person is literally me and my best friend. I eat like trash, smoke, am chronically ill, he eats great, smokes rarely, and is overall healthy. Body shape is a very unreliable measure of health.
Perfect example that that beauty standards dont prioritize doing good things for your body. Its all about being consumable to others. Beauty standards prioritize less what you do for your body, and more prioritizes looking good while you do it. regardless of whether what you're doing is healthy or not. Its socially acceptable to overindugle in food, smoke and drink as long as it doesn't interfere with your appearance. Even moreso you get rewarded and celebrated for being able to do that. It doesnt matter if you eat well and refrain from vices if you dont get hotter for it.
@@krisuler7734 Him eating more calories than he burns doesn't equate to him being unhealthy or even eating unhealthy foods. He's just not in a caloric deficit, so he's not burning fat.
@@lemonpledge7093 It ..is unhealthy to eat more calories than you require to the point that it affects your body and you gain weight. That is quite literally the definition of an unhealthy diet. Stop this PC bs. Also, in order to maintain a healthy weight you do not need to be in a caloric deficit, that is only for weight loss. Wtf ist his new phenomena of ignoring logic, facts, and science in order to be PC and sing kumbaya? I suppose you all can continue to do that and regress while the rest of the world pursues real progress.
I remember the time she attended the basketball game and the whole social media turned against her. I was shocked to see a lot of black women on twitter joining in on the dog piling. I never expected it. This goes to show you how much we hate fat bodies. There's a BBC podcast which talks about how fat phobia is rooted in anti-blackness which I found to be enlightening. It's called "Facing fat hatred"
Her playing the flute while twerking in the middle of an intense performance and then screaming bitch down that flute and carrying on playing the flute is just WOW! 😍😍😍 (Lack of punctuation intended because it feels like she does all that in one breath) I watch that video and just can't help thinking how impressive she is.
The constant talk about health around fat bodies is just fatphobia and ableism combined. I mean by this all the regular people shaming someone for "not being healthy" or "promoting an unhealthy lifestyle" just by existing. We really need to talk about how people don't need to be healthy in order to have value, to be sexy, etc. Those with health problems have a right to exist the same way as anyone else. Doesn't matter what size their body is. While I know it's important to talk against the stereotypes, I just wanted to point this out, as I saw comments about fat bodies and health.
@SpkTrth2Pwr thank you for sharing your story! And the (fake) empathy to mask hate sounds just right. Direct hate also still exists, but I've understood it might be more of a male thing, and the hate masked with "empathy" is what women tend to do.
I find it intresting that the people who get soo upset about fat people being "unhealthy" and seeing big bodies in the media supposedly promoting unhealthy lifestyles don't seem to mind people smoking or seeing people smoking in movies...
The extent to which we misunderstand large bodies, especially in relation to health, is mind-boggling. I’ve been dealing with some apparently impossible to diagnose circulatory and joint issues that caused me to get super bloated for a while, and it’s been subsiding, so I get gushing comments about my weight loss. I’m not trying to lose fat and I don’t think I have lost fat, my body just isn’t hoarding fluid as much lately, and it’s all the life cycle of my chronic illness that may circle back at any time. The best part is that some of these folks knew that I used to live with anorexia. It’s all very Animal Farm, but instead of “2 legs bad” it’s “big body bad.” So nuanced...
@@sofypi7493 well that is what the problem is, there is not a systemic hatred towards thin people, they have their own problem sure, but people will always celebrate an unhealthy thin person than a fat healthy person, some people just can't comprehend that a person could be comfortable in a fat body and be healthy
@@ananyaiyer19 Exactly! All I’m hearing about my less bloated body is “OMG good job, you’ve lost weight!” It’s never “how are you feeling?” even though I felt like I should have passed out during Mass. They see a “slimmer” body and think “healthy.” Never mind that if I’ve lost any weight that isn’t water (which I doubt) it’s due to digestive issues, since I’m not able to exercise and have to eat red meat due to unexplained anemia. But sure, congratulate me, I look slim so I must be healthy, right? Besides, even when people actually manage to acknowledge the health risks of low weight, there is never, ever the same vitriol and venom received by larger people under the flimsy guise of “but it’s unhealthy!” When our concern is for someone’s health, we don’t spit venom. That’s an energy worth keeping.
@@valerielevasseur8674 Personally, finding ways to make people confront their own crazy, is pivotal for my sanity. Example: “Wow, you lost ALL that weight!” “True true. YEAAA LUPUS! What a god send right? Hey, one more flare, and I just might make it to my goal weight. IF I Survive… LMAO.” Shuts them right down.
The mammy thing re: Lizzo is dumbfounding to me Then again I'd love for more of the talk about Lizzo be about her actual work which is impressive - a classically trained flautist who can sing, dance, and rap? She's amazing and deserves more recognition for that ❤️
Honestly. Why so much negativity behind Lizzo? Do not get me wrong, she’s not perfect… But at least focus on the things she has done right too. A lot of these haters (media too) mostly focus on the fat-phobic, racists, and other negative things🤦🏾♂️💯
ooo I wanna hear your insight because I don't follow artists' media presences that closely so I'm not sure what you're talking about specifically but i'm intrigued
Honestly so happy to see this take! As a fat person recovering from an eating disorder, it's really disappointing how many people even supposedly on the left really don't understand fat activism. Also happy to see the comments here!
Lizzo and Aubrey Gordon, two of my favourite fat public figures in one video, Love it. You ask why people get upset and I know a bit about that, I'm pursuing fat studies as part of a Gender Studies degree and I make videos about fat activism. To get a sense of the why it's worth checking out Foucault's discussion of Biopolitics (if you haven't already). It's also worth checking out Monster Theory, specifically Jack Halberstam's work. It all goes back to the objectification thing, culture uses supposedly undisciplined bodies to frighten the majority into disciplining themselves and being compliant. The hegemony needs people to see us miserable so they will be good girls and keep trying to shrink themselves. If fat people refuse to be miserable then we deny them that. For Lizzo to do that while racialized Black, well that's powerful.
So interesting the way this relates to (my experience of) ableism- and the disobedient body as the feared body. Good girls don't cry or act crazy or horny- if they do they are just naughty.
I love that in this you bring up that objectification isn’t automatic when one is voluntarily sexual. Finding a woman sexy doesn’t have to rob her of her personhood. Ergo, Lizzo being sexy as hell doesn’t mean she is self objectifying. so nuanced and wonderful thank you for your work.
Really looking forward to your Chloe video! I've seen so much terrible rhetoric online like "Oh it's such a shame she's become so sexual. She was such a nice 'good' artist before all this and she's had to sell herself to get commercial success." I don't get it? Chloe was a child when she debuted. Thank God she wasn't sexual then. I know there's definitely a notion supported by stereotypes that black women *have* to be sexy to succeed in the entertainment industry but honestly Chloe feels really genuine and she's a multifaceted being in spite of her more sexual music.
I love Lizzo as a singer and I genuinely think she's beautiful. As a person who's always been struggling with her weight and eating disorders, I feel encouraged and at the same time a bit taken aback by Lizzo's self-confidence. It's like I feel forced to confront my own internalized fatphobia and it's something positive, I think.
Personally, I hate when people view embracing their own sexuality as "self objectification". I know a lot of people like to use the term as a way to take back that power; but it doesn't work in my opinion. By definition any sort of objectification is to view or compare said subject to an object; and I don't think its healthy for anyone to do that. Especially if they're doing it to themselves. Lizzo or any person who decides to flaunt their body isn't looking to be compared to a tool to be used, so it's unfair for people to label what she does as her "objectifying herself" and it's even worse to assume that doing that on purpose. What it is, is she loves herself and her sexuality to a point where she's confident in showing it, and people like to use her love of herself as a weapon against her.
It's fascinating to me (and fucked up) as an acespec person how people view sexualizing and objectifying as the same thing, like there's no way for someone to be sexual or sexy while retaining agency and personhood? Like if you can't be attracted to someone and see them as a person, that is very much on you. (I do think the trope of lesbians feeling predatory kinda comes from this though, 'cause culturally we're so used to attraction to women taking the form of objectification.)
there definitely is a way to be sexy while maintaining agency (coming from a heteronormative person). But it comes from others for the most part. You cant change how other people react to you. Thats for them to decide for themselves. so we have to change the culture around personal agency, sex, and sexuality. Its very hard for me to think about respecting other's sexual expression and personhood without not also thinking about gender equality, gender expression, and in general women fighting for perceived personhood. Which are things that have been a long time coming as it is. I think sexuality with respect to agency will be a byproduct of the things I've just mentioned being achieved rather than something that can be tackled alone. I think its a symptom to much bigger problems yet presents its own unique set of problems that grants itself enoigh visibility that its perceived as an isolated problem, which I dont believe it to be.
As an ace I don’t understand how to be sexy in an objectifying way because I don’t experience sexual attraction so all my sexuality has a subject. It just isn’t sexy to me
@@theone-eyedwitch900 could totally be wrong because, again, acespec, but i don't think someone can be sexy in an objectifying way because it's up to the perceiver to objectify or not? Like when someone is performing sexiness, whatever that is, I think they're the subject of that? They could be imitating objectification they have seen in media or whatever though, and that might be perceived as self-objectifying, but I don't really think anyone is seeing themselves as a sexual object even if others might feel justified in seeing them that way? Idk it's hard for me to wrap my head around
The health argument has always been bullshit. I have PCOS, an androgyne disorder that messes up my weight along with other things. I'm 5'9 and range between a size 12 and 16 and it's nothing to do with diet or exercise. I keep the same diet and get the same amount of exercise but my weight will fluctuate because my hormones are out of whack. (Also I played the flute in school which was hard as hell with asthma. You gotta have LUNGS to play and especially while you're singing/rapping and dancing. You HAVE to be somewhat fit to pull it off)
The only issue I have with Lizzo is that apparently, she supports Chris Brown. I thought this was a great video though and points were made. I also read a thing somewhere about how black women are shown to be healthier at higher weights and east Asian women are shown to be healthier at smaller weights (I haven't fact-checked this) but it would certainly add to the intersectional conversation around racialized/stigmatized bodies. I also find the culture of how weight relates to class very interesting and hypocritical and not talked about nearly enough. Looking forward to the Chloe Bailey video!
Oop, the intersectionality of it all! That’s why I hate these kinds of conversations on Tiktok because it cannot be simplified, AT ALL until A LOT of people get the basics down.
From what I’ve read, minorities don’t fare as well at higher weights, whether that be black, Asian, Hispanic , etc. It seems to be being Caucasian provides some protection against more body fat. Not sure if this goes for Hispanics and blacks, but I’ve read East Asians genetically are predisposed to storing more fat around their abdomens, which is the dangerous fat, which is a BMI of 25 on an East Asian carries approximately the same health risk as a Caucasian at a BMI of 30
I feel like I have been over critical of Lizzo even though I fundamentally love her public persona. When she got backlash for sharing a cleanse she did on here instagram I was very upset because I know her audience is very susceptible to the various scams out there for cleanse products that don’t have scientific backing and can often be bad for you. But after reflecting on it that is a standard I don’t hold other celebrities to. I don’t hold male actors accountable for their Los Angeles bs health advice, or even white women like Brie Larson for their sketchy health habits, so I probably should not expect Lizzo to be perfect 100% of the time. In short another good video that got at least one person reconsidering their biases!
I like the further discussion of self objectification here, and talking about the victim blaming aspect of it. I absolutely agree with that. Sometimes, with the way people talk about self objectification they sound like they just tried to find a fancy feminist sounding way to say "you're making yourself a whore" and other variations of that old misogynist ideal that women are responsible for exactly how their own sexuality is taken from them and abused
I think people are mad cuz they starve themselves for the mens and Lizzo don't and their mens want her. Also people want their little opinions matter and think that they can put it on her to validate themselves. Lizzo is amazing and I'm glad she lives her life unshackled. Also your team is on point and your video looks amazing, and research well documented so big shout out to them!
As an always thickems - flaunting is a défense mechanism. When you are reviled and fetishised to such an extent - you have to be unapologetic about yourself. Else you are relegated to the shadows & fringes (what I like to call the back of a picture) where the misogynistic bhs want you to be.
I love this look at Lizzo! She makes no apologies for who she is, and that's powerful. I'm sure she's healthier than I am in a lot of parameters. I have nothing but love for her--and for you.
It seems like she’s apologizing all the time for being the way she is. All of her posts are fixated on this one tired topic. What is powerful about that? It’d be powerful if she simply presented herself as is and focused on her music and her charm, the way Adele did for example. Instead, her music is forgotten in all the conversations about her being fat. Powerful! 😩
I am studying food science and nutrition in school so the health segment and commenting on Lizzo’s body had me triggered. I agree with all that you said, if you are not her physician why are you commenting about her health. It hurts me how many people in my immediate circle will say things to me about my weight. THey think it is a compliment to tell me I look like I have lost weight. No it is not, and also dont notify me when I look liek I have gained weight either! I play a few sports year round and I frequent the gym. I go to the gym not to lose weight, but to do everything else I learned in high school PE: Increase my flexibility, increase my muscular strength and endurence, and get in some cardio for heart health. Sidenote: Fat is on top of your muscles. So, if you have a high enough percentage of body fat, the definition of the muscles may not be seen. Lizzo probably has some strong muscles, but due to her body fat percentage, it is not seen. The amount of performing she does it is safe to assume she does not have a sedentary life, she be exercising! I am a dancer, I know how much effort it takes to dance for hours every day, so she be getting her steps in to say the least.
I was bed ridden for a few months and dropped down to the lowest weight I've been as adult. As I started to get better I put on nearly 20lbs. It's been about 5 years and I still have family members commenting about that weight loss as if it were a good thing. My body fat percentage was actually much higher when I lost the weight. I was jello.
Yep, I'm slim and I work out...I still reckon Lizzo is technically fitter than I am - she certainly has more stamina! I agree about the commenting too...my dad used to comment every time he saw me at university that's I'd lost weight, knowing full well that I was clinically depressed and living on a shitty student budget, while also walking MILES AND MILES around Edinburgh every day. Like yes dad, my body changed because my circumstances changed and because I can just barely afford the time or energy to look after myself. I am bigger now, but MUCH healthier!
I think Lizzo and Nas have really built an important stage in normalizing once stigmatized identities. Both, however, will need to be careful to not making these important issues look like gimmicks. Sadly, both run the risk of doing just that with some of their choices.
Agreed. Glad they’re opening the doors though! Kinda like Jennifer Lopez, opened the doors, but those who walk the pathway do it much better than the blueprint set!❤️
Huge fan of your channel! 😊 I’m an MD (Psych). I think it’s important to note that fitness does not equal health. For example, a professional athlete who takes steroids every other day is fit, but if you were to look inside their bodies, it would become very apparent that they are not healthy. Lizzo’s stamina alone wouldn’t be an indicator about her true health. It’s also worth saying that she’s still pretty young, so complications associated with her size are still compounding, and will begin to really show themselves once she gets closer to her late 30s. The fat acceptance/body positive movement used to be about making it known that size does not dictate your worth, and that beauty can be found in all sizes-I agree with and support this 100%. Unfortunately, a subset of this movement has spawned into the Health At Every Size movement-that is where the danger lies. It is frightening that people who are obese/morbidly obese are being told (and believe) that they can be truly healthy at their size. The obesity pandemic in the U.S. has only worsened since these movements, and the percentage of deaths from complications related to obesity has skyrocketed. I am truly fearful of where we’ll be just 5 years from now.
I'm still just a student studying public health, but it seems like in America the obesity epidemic is going to be a huge public health problem in the future. Both criticizing people for their size and denying the health risks of obesity are harmful. Loved your comment :D
I have read the book “health at every size” by Linda bacon which is foundational. She does not claim that it is healthy to be extremely fat or extremely thin. Her insight, which is very fair, is that doctors (like herself) can do more good by accepting that the ‘war on obesity’ is lost than they can by fighting it. That trying to help people make an effort to take care of their health, no matter what size they are, is a more functional and healthier approach to public health. Some people might claim that health at every size is about how any size of person is healthy unless they are proven otherwise, but online you can find someone to make any claim you want.
I really love these videos, Lizzo has been an amazing inspiration for me and I’m glad to see a Khadija video on her. Also, and I get that this is something people won’t like, but I wanted to add that personally, as a 5’5” person who currently weighs over 200 lbs (250lbs last year), has almost 40% body fat, and has been constantly in pain for years because of being overweight (gall bladder issues, autoimmune disease acting up, joint injuries, and serious energy level problems)… I don’t think it’s necessary to negate that being overweight is a health issue to accept that everyone is beautiful, valuable, and sexy if they want to be regardless of size. I really, truly wish people could embrace these two points dialectically… and were able to say being fat should not be seen as a moral, aesthetic, or social stigma and at the same time being overweight is often a health problem, especially depending on body composition. Accepting the rise in obesity as a public health problem related to the consumerism, overwork, lack of being able to self care, and lack of quality healing food under extreme capitalism is an important conversation that I wish was focused on more without devaluing overweight and obese people (or reacting as if talking about those issues is doing that).
My thoughts are: Other people's bodies aren't my business. I've said this before elsewhere on the internet, but as long as you're not harming yourself and/or others, live and let live.
I don't really know if industries will be able to make money off people feeling good, however on the "journey" to feeling good, very much so. The movement that's been happening for people to feel empowered in themselves has had things popping up that concerns me (I've seen MLM's still trying to get people chanting the hollow girl boss capitalism chant for example). People being able to feel comfortable in their genuine self isn't profitable unless you're on about self esteem for the individual, and who benefits? Not the system trying to get us to spend money that's for sure
I had a toxic friend. She is a nurse. When I told her I had cancer she was happy for me because I was always full figured. She said you'll get so thin! I GAINED WEIGHT. SHE GOT ANGRY AND TOLD ME I WAS DOING CANCER WRONG. I don't talk to her anymore. 5 years later I am still raising kids and living life fat or not. My kids all 6 teens are still cared for. What matters is that not my size.
I love this energy. Bodily sovereignty all day. Especially on today’s day and age with people thinking they can force you into unwanted medical procedures.
Great commentary, as usual. I knew you would have the most measured, fair and non-judgemental point of view on this topic. Can we please leave people alone? Thanks for sharing.
I have been told that you dont need a pop filter unless you are invading the microphones space ("pro" voice recording) So if you want the mic stand to sag less in chatting videos, removing the pop filter could help. But I understand if that's also an unnecessary hassle.
I’ve always appreciated the sheer tenacity, perseverance, and vulnerability Lizzo shows even when it seems the world is against her! Lizzo and cupcakke are two racialized black woman who appreciate their bodies and flaunts their joy! They deserve so much adoration and respect from ppl because their art/content is literally changing the game. Ps they aren’t the only ones whom ever had but they are the most known in my case for the last decade
The thing I love most about Lizzo, is her unapologetic way of taking up space. Her loud laugh, speaking her mind. I’ve allowed myself to be made smaller and quieter and I don’t even laugh at things I find funny anymore because I have a naturally loud laugh. I admire that version of flaunting. I know it’s not as… stigmatized…but it’s what catches my attention. I want to take up space like Lizzo, or Cardi, Jessie Reyez, or Meghan the Stallion, or Evan Rachel Wood, Hunter Schaefer or Bridgette Lundy-Paine
All things considered, Lizzo has been eating healthier, from what I've seen from her Instagram, and is WAY more active than thinner folks like me. I'm just glad that she'd not one of those big people who is toxic to thin people in the name of body acceptance.
I was so happy to see the treatment of Ruby Baptise (played by Wunmi Mosaku) on Lovecraft Country as a whole, complex woman whose relationships and sensuality/sexuality was, imo, almost more integral to the plot than the "main characters'". Not a judgment on the actual relationships portrayed but I was just SO happy to see the care and attention given to her that way. And it probably was the first time in my life I've seen that and it felt monumental or maybe pivotal is the better word? Idk, chile, I just hope it represents a coming shift in the way we portray people and bodies that aren't straight sized. Misha & Jordan did that!
@@nenemahlangu5539 Thanks for putting it so eloquently! There really are risks when it comes to being overweight or even under weight. For some reason if you lose weight people accuse you of hating yourself or selling out eg Adele. I also don't understand why we cant love ourselves and improve our health at the same time.
@@nenemahlangu5539 Steady missing the point. No one is obligated to be healthy to be treated with decency. It doesn't matter if she's healthy. She never has to lose weight. She has the right to run her body into the ground by 40 if she so pleases, as do we all. She didn't ask anyone to "fix" her fatness. It's really telling how ppl keep patting themselves on the back for thrusting health advice and info her way. She didn't ask.You all aren't kind, you're just making excuses to be unkind and disapproving so you don't have to self-reflect on why you are attaching weight to how much respect and dignity you're going to show a person.
Going from an Australian size 16 to an Australian size 18 was a huge deal for me. Most luxury brands don't stock above 16 (US 12). It's become harder and harder to find things that fit me or even if they do, are flattering. I'm lucky there are plus sized brands and a lot more brands are stocking plus sized clothing. I think the definition for 'straight sized' needs to be adaptable to wherever its being applied.
Ditto- as another Aussie my struggle as a (very) pear shaped person, I can't find pants or dresses etc, especially as I've yoyoed in size from 14-6-16-6-20 ...😩
the whole “lizzo is lazy” claims make *zero* sense, especially if you’ve seen just one of her live performances. not only does she sound amazing live, she can sing, rap, dance, AND play the flute all in the same performance!! that takes insane breath control and talent! I used to play flute, and I would get winded just from playing it sitting down. for lizzo to perform that much and execute it that well is the exact opposite of “lazy”
I forgot Lizzo was a music artist I know her more for her antics than her music ☕️ but on the real I always say Lizzo should be up there with Megan Thee Stallion as far as being a bigger star than what she is now, because she is so talented and have the star power
Omg this got me thinking so much because I should start living my life right now, not in this hypothetical tomorrow when I'm gonna be having the body society accepts.
T h i s comment 🥺 the ideal body goes through trends anyway, what is ‘perfect’ today might not be tomorrow so you live your best life rn in whatever body you got!
I love that khadija talked about objectification in the same video that she personifies an object (her microphone stand) by feuding with it. Chef's kiss. Great video.
omg if you still are working on the chloe bailey video i think you should watch her genius lyrics breakdown of her song have mercy it gives such a good insight on her mind when making it
Fr and her taking her pants off on live was a bit much but what do you expect when she collaborated with cardi b a woman who robbed and drugged men as well as calling someone’s dead baby a monkey
tbh, that doesnt have much to do with this video. And people will probably just use that as an excuse to trash her weight and actions. I think thats a whole separate conversation. This video isn't about her morals and personality, but rather about her weight and public perception in appearance.
Great video Auntie K. Love the Personally, I don't really have any feelings for Lizzo as she's pretty much like any celebrity propped up by capitalism. Although she's 1% and has access to the best doctors and nutritionists so I really could care less about Lizzo as a person. It's not my business but the hate she gets is absurd in my opinion. I personally have a huge problem with performative activists of social media that praise obesity in others (usually black women of late) but would not live a similar lifestyle. When you have non-black folks who are not obese or in shape praising black women for being obese... it's kind of a form of benevolent racism. It's like they say "obesity is a good look on you, but I wouldn't wear it well." I don't really think you addressed Auntie always hitting that nuance. A person's weight isn't the only signifier of health. Mike Tyson in his prime according to the BMI would be obese.... Aunty... I think you really should put out a diss track against the mic. It's getting real brave.
I find it very odd that people are so fixated on Lizzo's health and just fat people's health in general. Setting aside that you literally can't determine the state of someone's health based on how they look, I really don't think it matters whether they are healthy or not. Healthy and unhealthy is such a false binary. Health is not a marker of morality and you do not owe the world health. So if we're judging people based on how healthy we perceive them to be, what does that say about us as a society? Health can mean different things for different people. Regardless, Lizzo or anyone else doesn't have to be healthy in order to be happy and to live their lives they way they want. People need to stop being so obsessed with health and other people's health honestly. People need to mind their own business
Health has a medical definition. Not definite but there are parameters in the physical domain obtained by extensive studies. So not an arbitrary false binary. Mental and social health hard to define maybe
health is not a marker of morality 👏 fr fatphobic people are so angry and full of hate because they are.... concerned about someone's health? it doesn't make sense. even if someone was unhealthy, there's this weird mindset that if a fat person is unhealthy it's their fault and due to their moral failings or something? when really you only have very little control over health and its awful to blame people for their health conditions. and that doesn't even bring up the obvious part that you can't tell someone's health by looking at them and everything else you said.
This conversation isn’t just discussing health though, it’s discussing health in regards to beauty standards and that is important to establish. This new movement is asking people to accept something unhealthy as beautiful. The same way that so many were outraged in the 90s when underweight waif bodies were deemed a beauty standard worth obtaining, people are now outraged by this current movement trying to claim that obesity can be a beauty standard. That is problematic. The discussion needs to change it’s course…if this movement simply said that we should all cherish and love ourselves regardless of our weight and nobody should be bashed for being fat aaaand that being thin doesn’t mean you’re healthy then there wouldn’t be an issue. Instead, what is happening is that this idea that people like Tess Holiday are healthy is being shoved down the throats of logical, intelligent, rational people and they’re saying nope. Any person who is obese has health issues and is therefore unhealthy, period. They can be active and eat well…but something caused that significant weight gain whether it be thyroid issues or gut issues or medication-led weight gain…all of these are health issues. If folks simply discussed this with rationale instead of trying to make everything PC then there wouldn’t be so many arguments.
That’s all good and dandy, but health is real. Lizzo is obese. The same people who say it’s no one’s business what size Lizzo is are the same ones who will cry that she died young due to health complications related to obesity. How anyone can honestly look at someone like Lizzo and not be concerned is beyond me. She does have a right to be the size she wants and shouldn’t be put down for it, but we shouldn’t act like concerns for obesity have no merit.
I find it funny how they focus on her health but she actually eats healthy and lost over a 120+ lbs over the pandemic. Then she's very physically active. And when she did start getting better in healthy habits they still attacked her character "she's losing weight so I guess she wasn't as confident as she said"
"alot of us are trying to be free". Exactly, that's all we want. But some people forget, because hate blinds them from the truth. The truth that, we all want to be ourselves and be accepted.
I think you’re one of the only commentary channels that actually gives nuance and complex thought to each issue instead of regurgitating easy liberal talking points to sound like a nice person. I love you and your beautiful mind (and face) so much!
@@miaomiaou_ I agree! They seem to cover complex topics in like 15 minutes and congratulate themselves and their audience for their “critical thinking” but I’m like how can you really dive in without nuance and at least more fleshed out ideas? Some creaters’ videos makes me feel like I’m back in my college classroom and the points are pretty easy to reach for without any complex thought and they don’t add much to the topic...I don’t mean to sound harsh but I just love creators who take the time to go to the next level like Mbowe. :)
To those who criticize fat people's health: 1. Why are you more concerned with a person's physical health than mental health? You're not saying anything that a fat person hasn't already heard. 2. Just say you're fatphobic and move on.
OMG “YOU’RE WRONG ABOUT” **AND** “MAINTENANCE PHASE”?!?! it makes me unreasonably happy to hear two of my favorite podcasts getting a shoutout from one of my favorite youtubers 😌
Lizzo is healthier than me. A straight bodied person. Not only does she work out, and go on tour, but she is also vegan and sugar free. People need to stop equating health to weight. Unhealthy people can be slim, and healthy people can be fat! So many factors go into why someone is the weight they are
Kills me how everybody saying "she's grown. She needs to cover up". Hun like you said. She's GROWN. She's not doing anything for "attention" when she, a grown ass woman, is dressing how she wants to attend the party of another grown ass woman🤦🏾♀️
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What do y'all think though?
I think that since no one got my input nor consent on where the bar for decency and self-respect should be, I don't feel I need to participate in upholding it. I run my body how I please so I expect no different from others. To Lizzo: Flaunt away. No one asked you what you wanted for your life so you don't owe them anything.
I think she’s fabulous!!!👑 I love what she’s doing because she simply CAN. She’s grown…
Chlöe Bailey video next please? Thanks!😍♥️✨
I can relate to seeing a bigger lady feel comfortable in her skin-particularly when she is in the public eye. I've been at the higher end of straight sizes a majority of my life, and I'm only now (in my 40s) coming to grips with the fact that its okay for me to be sexy and big and healthy and happy in my skin. I don't have to look like those "skinny b!$@&" to be happy. I don't have to cover up when I go surfing because my "fat" is unsightly (trust me-this is a thing). I can be flaunting in my own way and seeing someone else do this gives me power to free myself from the self-imposed and external thought prisons. Great video!
@@Neo.Jordon The bar should be in a place that does not physically nor socially hinder another from enacting their own brand of self-respect. This will require more work from us in actually getting to know a person and discovering how they see themselves; but so what? What else are we doing that we can't take that time? There are no one-size fits all answers. If we want to know whether or not Lizzo respects herself, we're going to have to learn it from her, not our own ideals. "Before you can read me you gotta learn how to see me." -En Vogue
There is ONE thing that bothers the hell out of me about a good portion of “fat acceptance” supporters, and it’s that they will only see someone for their size, and take all criticism about them outside of that and say it’s due to fat phobia. Kind of like the whole “you can’t criticize x because they’re in x minority group.” When someone criticizes me, I want it to be based on my work or my actions, not the fact that I’m a black gay woman (this is an extremely reductive example). I’m sure that Lizzo doesn’t want people to only see her for being a large black woman. People keep putting her and other large women into these boxes and calling it “fat acceptance” I can’t stand it. It feels disingenuous as fuck.
Lizzo is literally doing what all the other pop girls are doing, people just hate it when fat women are not insecure about their bodies.
Yes and yes Musa🙌🏾‼️
Thank you
YES
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You're right. She triggers our innate psychological dislike of fat people. It's a biological trigger from the times where one person's overindulgence in food meant others would starve cuz there wasn't enough to go around. It is biologically coded in us just like we take beauty as a sign of good genes.
If I had a daughter who was a fan of Lizzo, I wouldn't be worried at all. She can rap, dance, play a classical instrument, and she shows people that it's ok to feel good about your body. And on top of all that, it seems like she's a nice person. But if I had a daughter who was a fan of the Kardashians, I would be very worried.
She is my second favorite person after Chris Brown
Nobody wants their kids to be fans of Kardashians.
Agreed.
@@jamesn3122 if I had a daughter who was a fan of Chris Brown as a human (rather than as an artist) I’d be concerned
@@maddiedoesntkno supporting the music puts money into the abusive human's bank account
I really like this idea of flaunting, to be unapologetically yourself. As a black girl, just seeing Lizzo be so freely her, has really inspired me. You can't ignore her and I wouldn't have it any other way
Hell, even white women find her inspiring! She does so much for so many people for so many reasons
She is my second favorite person after Chris Brown
I have been ignoring her quite successfully so far.
I do not think she is being herself, she is agitated by the society she lives in, and its supposed hypocritical view of slim vs fat women, and therefore acts the way she does in a response to that.
@@jamesn3122 this is no longer a joke. Go away
The “I’m okay with (insert a group of people living their life but has the locals vexed) living and existing but they just don’t have to parade it everywhere”, that crowd makes no sense to me … the whole point of representation is to be SEEN!
The existence of these groups bothers them because when they are in your face, you have to confront their identity and take it in as presented, not try and put them in a category or fix them into stereotype because they simply refuse to comply.
Exactly...
not related to the comment itself but bruh i see you in all the good videos and having amazing takes on it. Btw luv your channel, especially ur take on the "i don't dream of labor" trend ❤
Yes, 100%. Just say you're sexist, homophobic, fatphobic, etc. and move on. Clearly those kind of people are not actually okay with whatever group they're talking about.
I see you everywhere in these youtube comment sections and I must say: you never miss!!!
Exactly!!!!
I've been an (Australian) size 8, and I'm now a size 22. When I was thin, it was because I was dealing with serious depression and disordered eating. No one ever thought I was unhealthy then. Now, I'm happier than I've ever been; I'm mentally healthy for the first time in my whole damn life. And yet I can't even go and visit my own mother because every time I see her, she asks why I'm "still fat". I get looks in the street. I've been turned down for jobs that I was well qualified for. This world is openly hostile to fatness, not to mention how a lot of health professionals handle it. It fucking sucks. You know what doesn't suck? Seeing Lizzo shake her fat ass up on stage in front of thousands of people and being successful despite the naysayers. I hope one day we can disassociate the perception of "health" from weight and body shape, because these notions are outdated, harmful and ridiculous
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the world is simply a better place because a lizzo
Thank you for sharing! Love and support to you! ♥♥♥
I kind of feel like the sitcom Living Single could be used as a good example of racialized Black women being portrayed as sexy (granted, in 90's sexy) as well as having full, active lives that weren't about them being fat/not fat/losing/gaining weight. Queen Latifa and Kim Fields prepped us for Lizzo, and I wish it hadn't taken so long!
We need another show like Living Single!
@@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 such a great cast.I always thought Max & Khadija should get togther.🤣🙌💖🌈
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Agreed
Ha!
....let the church say Amen,🙏🏾lol
Hallelujah
Self-objectification is a weird concept because if Lizzo is objectifying her body, she is still doing it as a person who has agency and the ability to make that choice. If her body becomes an object, then she (as the person) is sharing enjoyment of an object (her body) that she possesses. It gets into a weird field of separation vs. unity of person and body. I think, when someone flaunts in such a way as to be easily objectified, the audience who objectifies along with them feels like they're in on it and feel less bad about it as a result. And feeling "in on it" means there's someone telling it in the first place, which can have this roundabout effect of de-objectifying the self. IDK I'm rambling
I understand you, i have fallen into the same rabbit hole help
I feel you. There is no simple answer. If we lived in a healthier society where viewing ppl as objects wasn't a thing, clutching our pearls over skin and/or different sized bodies wouldn't be a thing either. There is only outrage and questions because of the constructed idea of "self-respect", and that it can only present in a very specific way.
Ok so here’s my piece on it: why do we favor objectification over subjects? Can you not be a sexual subject? Can you not enjoy your sexuality as a whole complex person? Even if you are focusing on the body, can it not be done as an individual with agency?
@@theone-eyedwitch900 this! because i agree with OP, but at the same time how limiting is it that we only ever relate our sexuality through objectification, even when we are the ones doing it. Like even that process makes it de-objectified sure. But why is the starting point objectification? Why is being an object the neutral, even when you as the subject is inherently subjective
@3g0st to me, it seems like we’ve distanced ourselves so much from sexuality that we have a disconnected perspective of it. Like we have our personality and our sense of self, and then we also have our sexual self, and the idea of keeping them separate is actually seen as desirable, for example good girl is secretly freaky (the way it’s treated like an alter ego or something repressed) and objectifying promiscuous people, when in actuality it’s just different contexts of the same self. You can be a slut and a person, you can be wholesome and kind and also freaky as one complete person. these things are treated as discordant and incapable of coexisting in one complete being because 1) we do not view sex as a natural part of life (for allos), but as a Secret 2) we see it as something that someone does to someone else as opposed to a social activity between two people
I’m a fat ex-anorexic and current-binge-eater and Lizzo being unapologetically herself always helps me in my dark moments.
that's sad
EDs are rough as fuck. Good luck with your mental health from a fellow struggler
Oh wow, i hope you heal one day i know its not easy
She helps you do what?
My disordered eating toggles between episodes of starving and binging. My siblings and I all have disordered eating, but I've always gotten the most comments on my body because I'm "the fat one". Even when one of my siblings was known to be in a eating disorder treatment program, I would still get comments from extended family members how I need to "be careful how I eat".
Gurl, you aren't nuts. Me and inanimate objects beef ALL THE TIME!
Same!
There’s a whole set of videos on here that centre on Elmo from Sesame Street’s beef with an actual rock. I found it funnier and more relatable than the kiddo I was trying to entertain did...
Beefs with inanimate objects can be so personal
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when she said "maybe i could find success this way... why did my parents tell me this is wrong again" that hit me particularly hard because i grew up fat and i'm always spellbound (and even get a little teary, oops) when i see people who look like me on the gram being creators, influencers, etc living their best life because i feel so happy that the social media generation gets to have these role models to show them that it's okay to be whatever body type compared to the 90s-00s' extreme anti-fatness that had me and many others believe for ages that "happiness = lose the weight first" until it was clear that obviously isn't true at all. it's literally just about being happy, healthy*, and a good person.
*also minding your business if you see a fat person exercising or not eating "junk", they could be doing either or both just because they enjoy it
Thank you for sharing this Gab B. This made me smile a lot😁
@@JulianSteve 😊💖💖
(p.s. hi, fellow afro-latin person!)
@@gab.bee123 YESSSSSSS GAB🙌🏾‼️
Yup lost lots of weight last year and i still struggle with body image.
@@BeautyAnarchist yes. and i hate the fact that i’ve actually internalised this. my external family (aunts, uncles, relatives) have made comments about my body before, so i dread going to family gathering and when i do go, i get so conscious if anyone’s judging my intake of food that i purposely hold myself back from eating as much as i want, and if i wanna take more food i make myself do it a little at a time. i put up a show of trying to prove that i don’t eat that much “despite being fat” so that they can’t use it as ammunition against me. and thus a lot of times i’m never full after these family gatherings despite the abundance of good food. (funny thing is sometimes they encourage me to finish more food if there’s a lot of leftovers and assume just because i’m fat i’ll take any chance to eat food, and then turn around to shame my body, hypocrites lmao)
even when i’m hanging out with my friends in a safe space, i sometimes get conscious too and wonder if i’m eating too much and if they think, “wow no wonder she’s fat she eats so much”.
When you're fat, even doctor's don't really look at your health. Despie cholesterol, BPM, or blood pressure a doctor will tell you to lose weight if you're over that straight size. There are doctors who refuse to run tests or listen to the physical complaints of fat people because they are so focused on the person's weight. I can't tell you how many plus size individuals have had me file complaints against doctors for ignoring what they came in for and spent a whole appointment talking about weight instead of the person's condition or pain. It can be incredibly disheartening and completely destroys the relationship between doctors and patients. A lot of times the doctors telling them to lose weight won't even give information on how to do so in a healthy manner. There's never discussions about healthy eating, what it looks like, or what exercises to try. Doctors don't seem interested in improving the health of a person who is plus sized so much as they want everyone to fit into the straight size or a 'healthy BMI' - which we all know isn't a measure of health in any way.
The other unfortunate reality is that a lot of fat people will choose to not see a doctor for years because they know they won't get treated but just get lectured and talked down to and any health issue blamed on their weight. I mean, why would you subject yourself to that if you know you won't get help, you'll be stressed like crazy up to and during the appointment, and then you are going to get charged extra (copay) for the useless lecturing?
My thing is, when it comes to her recent outfit, people don't hate the outfit, they hate the body that is in the outfit(in most cases) which is sad. People like to say "I'm all for body positivity but......"
They're clearly not *all* for body positivity if they have to say "but..." and counter it with a negative comment.
Because such obesity isn’t healthy no matter what you say, feeding into people indulges thus giving them a safe spot. You cannot stop shame, shame keeps people in balanced, shame keeps people from doing certain things, and when they do do it they don’t want others to find out. Find the ones who want to help you an not shame you, but expecting society to just change their minds as a collective is dumb. People are just so obsessed with their virtue signaling compulsion
Turning 20/21 during a pandemic really got me obsessed with pop-culture video essays
Same here, especially now that I am a content creator myself🙌🏾‼️
I think humans in general need to let go of the idea that you can tell ANYTHING about someone from a glance. Your body is simply a single side to a complex object that represents the human experience.
But that's not even true. You can tell à lot at a glance. Eastern medicine does this often.
But fat and obesity is unhealthy.theres no reason to be dishonest.
This! I'm a healthcare practitioner and I learned in school how studies show that active, obese individuals have a lower mortality rate than inactive people of an "average" size. Lizzo's amazing endurance and breath control is a testament to the fact that it's completely possible to be healthy and fat. Some people just naturally carry more weight on their bodies. It's much more detrimental to the body to go up and down in weight ("yo-yoing") than to just stay fat, and that's been proven time and time again.
The most dangerous thing to fat people's health is actually the stigma that's rooted in our entire culture, including the healthcare industry.
@@salome9124 eastern medicine does not, don't lie.
*Theory: whenever I see a plus size women, society is literally telling them you can be that size but, you can't be happy about it. My only issue is that this is an issue. I play trumpet for a decade & can say playing flute is nothing to joke about it, you have to have an extra set of lungs on standby, she's so talented.*
Why is everyone so invested in making something out of nothing?? She has an incredible voice and charisma, she doesn’t need y’all to be scraping the bottom of the barrel to find something to rave about like… the flute. It’s one of the easiest instruments to play, period. It also lacks dynamics in sound, which is why it is rarely ever used in solo work or in popular music. It’s a cool thing she can do..great! But it is not something to be writing home about, come on. She has enough talent to discuss without exaggerating her flautist accomplishments😩😩
I think everybody wants to be the one who was the inspiration for helping that fat person or this fat person through whatever they were dealing with in their health journey. That's what I've dealt with.
@@krisuler7734 this is like the third time I am seeing this comment in a different thread. I hope you can play the flute as damn well as she can
No society is saying don’t be dishonest about the serious health problems that come with being fat overweight or obese , that’s the problem, a lot of the body positivity movement deny that fat and health are correlated.
People feel so entitled to verbalize their opinions on others bodies, even if they’re not a celebrity. Like no Stacy, I don’t care that you noticed I lost weight. Congratufuckinlations you have eyes. and the obsession with health thing really gets me. You can’t look at someone and X-ray vision their bmi, or muscle to fat ratio. Doing crash diets and over exercising to stay in straight sizes is also bad for your health.
I've found as a man that, when you really like someone's presentation, and a compliment is in order (and honestly, if it's at the workplace, think about ten goddamn times before you open your mouth, guys, it's not about PC, it's about decency), compliment someone's choices, not their "bodies". She chose those boots, he chose that shirt, she chose to wear a dress with an incredibly bold pattern that someone else might feel intimidated by, he chose to buy and wear that blazer that's not just another practically invisible suit, and I definitely make choices I like to be complimented on. But my hair colour? It's obviously natural, and I'm glad you like it but ... whose choices exactly are you complimenting? If it were obviously a vivid choice, I'd feel differently. And don't compliment someone's body via their clothing. I don't understand why this is difficult, and I see inappropriate "compliments" about bodies all the time in youtube videos that horrify me, particularly when someone female has a good platform.
@@delusionnnnn iunno I know quite a few women and men who workout a lot and they are really receptive to compliments about their physique, might be the only exception. As for work I just barely talk I mostly listen to people and ask about their kids and events in their lives, don’t think I’ve ever complimented a person on their looks at work.
@@Zom13y Part of the issue is objectification, and part of it is not obsessing over bodies. If we're both into regular working out and all of that, I don't think this is going to be some sort of shock and it's something two particular people can talk about. It becomes more of a problem when certain types of people are always complimented primarily on their bodies when there's more going on, particularly if they're women, and TH-cam is a great example of that. Hours and hours of work into writing, filming, and editing a video that's about something intellectual, funny, or serious, to have it all boil down to how "cute" or "hot" the host is in 10-50% of the comments. But if you get into the mindset of looking at people making the choices that almost all people can make, and some succeeding quite well, magically one may find that one is no longer limited to complimenting people of their sexual preference who have "ideal bodies", particularly of "conventionally attractive" and usually thin women by straight men. Considering choices almost everyone can make humanizes people.
@@delusionnnnn okay I think I get what your laying down, I would be more complimenting someone on them improving on their efforts in an activity rather than just saying objectifying them because of their looks?
@@Zom13y Provided you knew (or could reasonably assume) that was an interest of theirs, it seems pretty reasonable. But I wouldn't in my case, for example, do the same with someone I didn't know personally and we'd never talked about it because it's just too many assumptions and not a shared interest.
I love Lizzo. I've been big my whole life and I remember being a little girl and having dreams of being a pop star but thinking I could never be one because I was a fat person. People don't want to see a fat person live and be happy. And I hate hearing people commenting how she's not healthy 😒 like B, are YOU healthy? Do you drink? Do you smoke? Do u exercise everyday? They don't care about her health!
I was hearing my straight male friends complaining about lizzo being comfortable with her body and showing it off. So I'm really excited to see this video
As a dietitian, yes yes yes yes yes a million times yes! Lizzo may make choices that are intrenched in diet culture (juice cleanse and such) but she is challenging the status quo of perceived health and fitness.
Wonderful video! Also, regarding you point about health and fatness, I always get very tired of the word "unhealthy" being used to remove a person's worth. The amount of times I have heard that word being used to justify horrid words and really harmful ideas being pressed upon fat people is so disgusting. Let's say every fat person is unhealthy, let's say you can see that from the outside. Do they not deserve love? Do they not deserve respect, or just being treated like a human being? Having been fat my whole life, I have learned to dehumanize myself before anyone else has the opportunity to do it. There comes a point where you truly belive you are not human, that you do not deserve to feel happy because you committed the unforgivable sin of being big, being fat. Punishing people for things that are often outside of their control has always been despicable, and I'm so happy to see people like Lizzo being unapologetically herself. Of course, looking at any comment under her ig posts or tiktok can ruin my entire day, but it really does help seeing a big woman acting like a person, as it reminds me that I also am one (regardless of how weird that sounds). Just wanted to mention this, as I loved all the points you made!
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true! and too much focus on “health” can also be super ableist!
@@cherrypanda887 I feel this. Conversations obsessing over health are literally only a few minutes away from someone outright saying "if you're sick, it's your own fault", which is only a few minutes away from mask-off eugenics.
The straight sized unhealthy person and fat person healthy person is literally me and my best friend. I eat like trash, smoke, am chronically ill, he eats great, smokes rarely, and is overall healthy. Body shape is a very unreliable measure of health.
Perfect example that that beauty standards dont prioritize doing good things for your body. Its all about being consumable to others. Beauty standards prioritize less what you do for your body, and more prioritizes looking good while you do it. regardless of whether what you're doing is healthy or not. Its socially acceptable to overindugle in food, smoke and drink as long as it doesn't interfere with your appearance. Even moreso you get rewarded and celebrated for being able to do that. It doesnt matter if you eat well and refrain from vices if you dont get hotter for it.
Why is he fat then? What has led this healthy person to be so overweight??
@@krisuler7734 it depends on a lot of things but i'd assume its probably genetics
@@krisuler7734 Him eating more calories than he burns doesn't equate to him being unhealthy or even eating unhealthy foods. He's just not in a caloric deficit, so he's not burning fat.
@@lemonpledge7093 It ..is unhealthy to eat more calories than you require to the point that it affects your body and you gain weight. That is quite literally the definition of an unhealthy diet. Stop this PC bs. Also, in order to maintain a healthy weight you do not need to be in a caloric deficit, that is only for weight loss. Wtf ist his new phenomena of ignoring logic, facts, and science in order to be PC and sing kumbaya? I suppose you all can continue to do that and regress while the rest of the world pursues real progress.
I remember the time she attended the basketball game and the whole social media turned against her. I was shocked to see a lot of black women on twitter joining in on the dog piling. I never expected it. This goes to show you how much we hate fat bodies. There's a BBC podcast which talks about how fat phobia is rooted in anti-blackness which I found to be enlightening. It's called "Facing fat hatred"
Why did social media users turn against her? Just because she attended a basketball game?
@@InventorZahran No, because she wore a buttless dress to the basketball game.
How can anyone observe the incredible breath control Lizzo has and then claim that she's so unhealthy? Mind your business people!
Her playing the flute while twerking in the middle of an intense performance and then screaming bitch down that flute and carrying on playing the flute is just WOW! 😍😍😍 (Lack of punctuation intended because it feels like she does all that in one breath)
I watch that video and just can't help thinking how impressive she is.
huge point
The constant talk about health around fat bodies is just fatphobia and ableism combined. I mean by this all the regular people shaming someone for "not being healthy" or "promoting an unhealthy lifestyle" just by existing. We really need to talk about how people don't need to be healthy in order to have value, to be sexy, etc. Those with health problems have a right to exist the same way as anyone else. Doesn't matter what size their body is.
While I know it's important to talk against the stereotypes, I just wanted to point this out, as I saw comments about fat bodies and health.
@SpkTrth2Pwr thank you for sharing your story! And the (fake) empathy to mask hate sounds just right.
Direct hate also still exists, but I've understood it might be more of a male thing, and the hate masked with "empathy" is what women tend to do.
I find it intresting that the people who get soo upset about fat people being "unhealthy" and seeing big bodies in the media supposedly promoting unhealthy lifestyles don't seem to mind people smoking or seeing people smoking in movies...
The extent to which we misunderstand large bodies, especially in relation to health, is mind-boggling. I’ve been dealing with some apparently impossible to diagnose circulatory and joint issues that caused me to get super bloated for a while, and it’s been subsiding, so I get gushing comments about my weight loss. I’m not trying to lose fat and I don’t think I have lost fat, my body just isn’t hoarding fluid as much lately, and it’s all the life cycle of my chronic illness that may circle back at any time. The best part is that some of these folks knew that I used to live with anorexia. It’s all very Animal Farm, but instead of “2 legs bad” it’s “big body bad.” So nuanced...
if very thin body are a bad example then keep the same energy for very big body
@@sofypi7493 well that is what the problem is, there is not a systemic hatred towards thin people, they have their own problem sure, but people will always celebrate an unhealthy thin person than a fat healthy person, some people just can't comprehend that a person could be comfortable in a fat body and be healthy
@@ananyaiyer19 Exactly! All I’m hearing about my less bloated body is “OMG good job, you’ve lost weight!” It’s never “how are you feeling?” even though I felt like I should have passed out during Mass. They see a “slimmer” body and think “healthy.” Never mind that if I’ve lost any weight that isn’t water (which I doubt) it’s due to digestive issues, since I’m not able to exercise and have to eat red meat due to unexplained anemia. But sure, congratulate me, I look slim so I must be healthy, right?
Besides, even when people actually manage to acknowledge the health risks of low weight, there is never, ever the same vitriol and venom received by larger people under the flimsy guise of “but it’s unhealthy!” When our concern is for someone’s health, we don’t spit venom. That’s an energy worth keeping.
@@valerielevasseur8674 Personally, finding ways to make people confront their own crazy, is pivotal for my sanity. Example: “Wow, you lost ALL that weight!” “True true. YEAAA LUPUS! What a god send right? Hey, one more flare, and I just might make it to my goal weight. IF I Survive… LMAO.” Shuts them right down.
@@LadyjediDjedet Savage, accurate, maybe even effective! 🤣
The mammy thing re: Lizzo is dumbfounding to me
Then again I'd love for more of the talk about Lizzo be about her actual work which is impressive - a classically trained flautist who can sing, dance, and rap? She's amazing and deserves more recognition for that ❤️
Honestly. Why so much negativity behind Lizzo? Do not get me wrong, she’s not perfect… But at least focus on the things she has done right too. A lot of these haters (media too) mostly focus on the fat-phobic, racists, and other negative things🤦🏾♂️💯
@@christopherbrown5409 rumors
@@christopherbrown5409 your Lizzo trolling is trite and worn-out. How about you move along, we're bored
She is my second favorite person after Chris Brown
@@hfreyschildren1265 at least answer their question. 😂😂
I think you missed an opportunity to compare and contrast how Lizzo and lil Nas X differ in how they react to public criticism.
Ohhhhhhhh shitttttttttt‼️That would’ve been a good comparing and contrasting moment.
ooo I wanna hear your insight because I don't follow artists' media presences that closely so I'm not sure what you're talking about specifically but i'm intrigued
Honestly nothing more relatable than getting into a brawl with an inanimate object.
Honestly so happy to see this take! As a fat person recovering from an eating disorder, it's really disappointing how many people even supposedly on the left really don't understand fat activism. Also happy to see the comments here!
Lizzo and Aubrey Gordon, two of my favourite fat public figures in one video, Love it.
You ask why people get upset and I know a bit about that, I'm pursuing fat studies as part of a Gender Studies degree and I make videos about fat activism. To get a sense of the why it's worth checking out Foucault's discussion of Biopolitics (if you haven't already). It's also worth checking out Monster Theory, specifically Jack Halberstam's work. It all goes back to the objectification thing, culture uses supposedly undisciplined bodies to frighten the majority into disciplining themselves and being compliant. The hegemony needs people to see us miserable so they will be good girls and keep trying to shrink themselves. If fat people refuse to be miserable then we deny them that. For Lizzo to do that while racialized Black, well that's powerful.
So interesting the way this relates to (my experience of) ableism- and the disobedient body as the feared body. Good girls don't cry or act crazy or horny- if they do they are just naughty.
I love that in this you bring up that objectification isn’t automatic when one is voluntarily sexual. Finding a woman sexy doesn’t have to rob her of her personhood. Ergo, Lizzo being sexy as hell doesn’t mean she is self objectifying. so nuanced and wonderful thank you for your work.
Really looking forward to your Chloe video! I've seen so much terrible rhetoric online like "Oh it's such a shame she's become so sexual. She was such a nice 'good' artist before all this and she's had to sell herself to get commercial success." I don't get it? Chloe was a child when she debuted. Thank God she wasn't sexual then. I know there's definitely a notion supported by stereotypes that black women *have* to be sexy to succeed in the entertainment industry but honestly Chloe feels really genuine and she's a multifaceted being in spite of her more sexual music.
I love Lizzo as a singer and I genuinely think she's beautiful. As a person who's always been struggling with her weight and eating disorders, I feel encouraged and at the same time a bit taken aback by Lizzo's self-confidence. It's like I feel forced to confront my own internalized fatphobia and it's something positive, I think.
Personally, I hate when people view embracing their own sexuality as "self objectification". I know a lot of people like to use the term as a way to take back that power; but it doesn't work in my opinion. By definition any sort of objectification is to view or compare said subject to an object; and I don't think its healthy for anyone to do that. Especially if they're doing it to themselves. Lizzo or any person who decides to flaunt their body isn't looking to be compared to a tool to be used, so it's unfair for people to label what she does as her "objectifying herself" and it's even worse to assume that doing that on purpose. What it is, is she loves herself and her sexuality to a point where she's confident in showing it, and people like to use her love of herself as a weapon against her.
Wow so beautifully said. I totally agree- "when I'm shinning everybody's gunna shine" "I am my own soulmate" beautiful self love
It's fascinating to me (and fucked up) as an acespec person how people view sexualizing and objectifying as the same thing, like there's no way for someone to be sexual or sexy while retaining agency and personhood? Like if you can't be attracted to someone and see them as a person, that is very much on you. (I do think the trope of lesbians feeling predatory kinda comes from this though, 'cause culturally we're so used to attraction to women taking the form of objectification.)
Omg im ace (sex favorable) and I was gonna type the same thing. Can you not be a sexual subject? Are you self objectifying or are you a sexual being?
Aroace here and I completely agree with you
there definitely is a way to be sexy while maintaining agency (coming from a heteronormative person). But it comes from others for the most part. You cant change how other people react to you. Thats for them to decide for themselves. so we have to change the culture around personal agency, sex, and sexuality. Its very hard for me to think about respecting other's sexual expression and personhood without not also thinking about gender equality, gender expression, and in general women fighting for perceived personhood. Which are things that have been a long time coming as it is. I think sexuality with respect to agency will be a byproduct of the things I've just mentioned being achieved rather than something that can be tackled alone. I think its a symptom to much bigger problems yet presents its own unique set of problems that grants itself enoigh visibility that its perceived as an isolated problem, which I dont believe it to be.
As an ace I don’t understand how to be sexy in an objectifying way because I don’t experience sexual attraction so all my sexuality has a subject. It just isn’t sexy to me
@@theone-eyedwitch900 could totally be wrong because, again, acespec, but i don't think someone can be sexy in an objectifying way because it's up to the perceiver to objectify or not? Like when someone is performing sexiness, whatever that is, I think they're the subject of that? They could be imitating objectification they have seen in media or whatever though, and that might be perceived as self-objectifying, but I don't really think anyone is seeing themselves as a sexual object even if others might feel justified in seeing them that way? Idk it's hard for me to wrap my head around
The health argument has always been bullshit. I have PCOS, an androgyne disorder that messes up my weight along with other things. I'm 5'9 and range between a size 12 and 16 and it's nothing to do with diet or exercise. I keep the same diet and get the same amount of exercise but my weight will fluctuate because my hormones are out of whack. (Also I played the flute in school which was hard as hell with asthma. You gotta have LUNGS to play and especially while you're singing/rapping and dancing. You HAVE to be somewhat fit to pull it off)
The only issue I have with Lizzo is that apparently, she supports Chris Brown. I thought this was a great video though and points were made. I also read a thing somewhere about how black women are shown to be healthier at higher weights and east Asian women are shown to be healthier at smaller weights (I haven't fact-checked this) but it would certainly add to the intersectional conversation around racialized/stigmatized bodies. I also find the culture of how weight relates to class very interesting and hypocritical and not talked about nearly enough. Looking forward to the Chloe Bailey video!
Oop, the intersectionality of it all! That’s why I hate these kinds of conversations on Tiktok because it cannot be simplified, AT ALL until A LOT of people get the basics down.
So, does it make her fall afoul of wokeness brigade.
@@explodingkitten3331 what?
From what I’ve read, minorities don’t fare as well at higher weights, whether that be black, Asian, Hispanic , etc. It seems to be being Caucasian provides some protection against more body fat. Not sure if this goes for Hispanics and blacks, but I’ve read East Asians genetically are predisposed to storing more fat around their abdomens, which is the dangerous fat, which is a BMI of 25 on an East Asian carries approximately the same health risk as a Caucasian at a BMI of 30
which is *why
As someone who's the same size and height as her, Lizzo inspires me even more to wear whatever i want even when others point out my body 💕
“Why does it bother you so much?” - that is the ultimate question.
I feel like I have been over critical of Lizzo even though I fundamentally love her public persona. When she got backlash for sharing a cleanse she did on here instagram I was very upset because I know her audience is very susceptible to the various scams out there for cleanse products that don’t have scientific backing and can often be bad for you. But after reflecting on it that is a standard I don’t hold other celebrities to. I don’t hold male actors accountable for their Los Angeles bs health advice, or even white women like Brie Larson for their sketchy health habits, so I probably should not expect Lizzo to be perfect 100% of the time.
In short another good video that got at least one person reconsidering their biases!
She is my second favorite person after Chris Brown
Ok but queen your hair + style + energy in the sponsor was just *chef's kiss*
I like the further discussion of self objectification here, and talking about the victim blaming aspect of it. I absolutely agree with that. Sometimes, with the way people talk about self objectification they sound like they just tried to find a fancy feminist sounding way to say "you're making yourself a whore" and other variations of that old misogynist ideal that women are responsible for exactly how their own sexuality is taken from them and abused
Omg yesss when feminists do that gah!!!
I think people are mad cuz they starve themselves for the mens and Lizzo don't and their mens want her. Also people want their little opinions matter and think that they can put it on her to validate themselves. Lizzo is amazing and I'm glad she lives her life unshackled.
Also your team is on point and your video looks amazing, and research well documented so big shout out to them!
Once again my favourite auntie Khadija blesses us with yet another amazing video
As an always thickems - flaunting is a défense mechanism. When you are reviled and fetishised to such an extent - you have to be unapologetic about yourself. Else you are relegated to the shadows & fringes (what I like to call the back of a picture) where the misogynistic bhs want you to be.
I love this look at Lizzo! She makes no apologies for who she is, and that's powerful. I'm sure she's healthier than I am in a lot of parameters. I have nothing but love for her--and for you.
It seems like she’s apologizing all the time for being the way she is. All of her posts are fixated on this one tired topic. What is powerful about that? It’d be powerful if she simply presented herself as is and focused on her music and her charm, the way Adele did for example. Instead, her music is forgotten in all the conversations about her being fat. Powerful! 😩
I am studying food science and nutrition in school so the health segment and commenting on Lizzo’s body had me triggered. I agree with all that you said, if you are not her physician why are you commenting about her health. It hurts me how many people in my immediate circle will say things to me about my weight. THey think it is a compliment to tell me I look like I have lost weight. No it is not, and also dont notify me when I look liek I have gained weight either! I play a few sports year round and I frequent the gym. I go to the gym not to lose weight, but to do everything else I learned in high school PE: Increase my flexibility, increase my muscular strength and endurence, and get in some cardio for heart health.
Sidenote: Fat is on top of your muscles. So, if you have a high enough percentage of body fat, the definition of the muscles may not be seen. Lizzo probably has some strong muscles, but due to her body fat percentage, it is not seen. The amount of performing she does it is safe to assume she does not have a sedentary life, she be exercising! I am a dancer, I know how much effort it takes to dance for hours every day, so she be getting her steps in to say the least.
I was bed ridden for a few months and dropped down to the lowest weight I've been as adult. As I started to get better I put on nearly 20lbs. It's been about 5 years and I still have family members commenting about that weight loss as if it were a good thing. My body fat percentage was actually much higher when I lost the weight. I was jello.
Yep, I'm slim and I work out...I still reckon Lizzo is technically fitter than I am - she certainly has more stamina!
I agree about the commenting too...my dad used to comment every time he saw me at university that's I'd lost weight, knowing full well that I was clinically depressed and living on a shitty student budget, while also walking MILES AND MILES around Edinburgh every day. Like yes dad, my body changed because my circumstances changed and because I can just barely afford the time or energy to look after myself. I am bigger now, but MUCH healthier!
I think Lizzo and Nas have really built an important stage in normalizing once stigmatized identities. Both, however, will need to be careful to not making these important issues look like gimmicks. Sadly, both run the risk of doing just that with some of their choices.
Agreed. Glad they’re opening the doors though! Kinda like Jennifer Lopez, opened the doors, but those who walk the pathway do it much better than the blueprint set!❤️
@@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 How did JLO open the door?
Thank you for working so hard, your videos really make my day :) Wish you and your channel all the love and support.
Wow here for the PREMIERE? I'm on some new level fellow Auntie shit
It's been a minute lol
"It's not the microphone, it's the stand"
I'll just interpret that as a Jojo reference
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Huge fan of your channel! 😊 I’m an MD (Psych). I think it’s important to note that fitness does not equal health. For example, a professional athlete who takes steroids every other day is fit, but if you were to look inside their bodies, it would become very apparent that they are not healthy. Lizzo’s stamina alone wouldn’t be an indicator about her true health. It’s also worth saying that she’s still pretty young, so complications associated with her size are still compounding, and will begin to really show themselves once she gets closer to her late 30s. The fat acceptance/body positive movement used to be about making it known that size does not dictate your worth, and that beauty can be found in all sizes-I agree with and support this 100%. Unfortunately, a subset of this movement has spawned into the Health At Every Size movement-that is where the danger lies. It is frightening that people who are obese/morbidly obese are being told (and believe) that they can be truly healthy at their size. The obesity pandemic in the U.S. has only worsened since these movements, and the percentage of deaths from complications related to obesity has skyrocketed. I am truly fearful of where we’ll be just 5 years from now.
I'm still just a student studying public health, but it seems like in America the obesity epidemic is going to be a huge public health problem in the future. Both criticizing people for their size and denying the health risks of obesity are harmful. Loved your comment :D
I have read the book “health at every size” by Linda bacon which is foundational. She does not claim that it is healthy to be extremely fat or extremely thin. Her insight, which is very fair, is that doctors (like herself) can do more good by accepting that the ‘war on obesity’ is lost than they can by fighting it. That trying to help people make an effort to take care of their health, no matter what size they are, is a more functional and healthier approach to public health. Some people might claim that health at every size is about how any size of person is healthy unless they are proven otherwise, but online you can find someone to make any claim you want.
I really love these videos, Lizzo has been an amazing inspiration for me and I’m glad to see a Khadija video on her. Also, and I get that this is something people won’t like, but I wanted to add that personally, as a 5’5” person who currently weighs over 200 lbs (250lbs last year), has almost 40% body fat, and has been constantly in pain for years because of being overweight (gall bladder issues, autoimmune disease acting up, joint injuries, and serious energy level problems)… I don’t think it’s necessary to negate that being overweight is a health issue to accept that everyone is beautiful, valuable, and sexy if they want to be regardless of size. I really, truly wish people could embrace these two points dialectically… and were able to say being fat should not be seen as a moral, aesthetic, or social stigma and at the same time being overweight is often a health problem, especially depending on body composition. Accepting the rise in obesity as a public health problem related to the consumerism, overwork, lack of being able to self care, and lack of quality healing food under extreme capitalism is an important conversation that I wish was focused on more without devaluing overweight and obese people (or reacting as if talking about those issues is doing that).
My thoughts are:
Other people's bodies aren't my business. I've said this before elsewhere on the internet, but as long as you're not harming yourself and/or others, live and let live.
I loved when you said “as racialized black women.” It’s something that was done to us, not by us and should always be framed as such.
Every video is iconic. We love to see it.
I LOVE these pop culture analyses!😍
I don't really know if industries will be able to make money off people feeling good, however on the "journey" to feeling good, very much so. The movement that's been happening for people to feel empowered in themselves has had things popping up that concerns me (I've seen MLM's still trying to get people chanting the hollow girl boss capitalism chant for example). People being able to feel comfortable in their genuine self isn't profitable unless you're on about self esteem for the individual, and who benefits? Not the system trying to get us to spend money that's for sure
I had a toxic friend. She is a nurse. When I told her I had cancer she was happy for me because I was always full figured. She said you'll get so thin! I GAINED WEIGHT. SHE GOT ANGRY AND TOLD ME I WAS DOING CANCER WRONG. I don't talk to her anymore. 5 years later I am still raising kids and living life fat or not. My kids all 6 teens are still cared for. What matters is that not my size.
I love this energy. Bodily sovereignty all day. Especially on today’s day and age with people thinking they can force you into unwanted medical procedures.
Great commentary, as usual. I knew you would have the most measured, fair and non-judgemental point of view on this topic. Can we please leave people alone? Thanks for sharing.
Love the consistency queen 😍😍
I have been told that you dont need a pop filter unless you are invading the microphones space ("pro" voice recording) So if you want the mic stand to sag less in chatting videos, removing the pop filter could help. But I understand if that's also an unnecessary hassle.
I’ve always appreciated the sheer tenacity, perseverance, and vulnerability Lizzo shows even when it seems the world is against her! Lizzo and cupcakke are two racialized black woman who appreciate their bodies and flaunts their joy! They deserve so much adoration and respect from ppl because their art/content is literally changing the game. Ps they aren’t the only ones whom ever had but they are the most known in my case for the last decade
The thing I love most about Lizzo, is her unapologetic way of taking up space. Her loud laugh, speaking her mind. I’ve allowed myself to be made smaller and quieter and I don’t even laugh at things I find funny anymore because I have a naturally loud laugh. I admire that version of flaunting. I know it’s not as… stigmatized…but it’s what catches my attention. I want to take up space like Lizzo, or Cardi, Jessie Reyez, or Meghan the Stallion, or Evan Rachel Wood, Hunter Schaefer or Bridgette Lundy-Paine
All things considered, Lizzo has been eating healthier, from what I've seen from her Instagram, and is WAY more active than thinner folks like me. I'm just glad that she'd not one of those big people who is toxic to thin people in the name of body acceptance.
Algorithm wootWOOT, seriously though, love the channel you’re doin divine work friend
I was so happy to see the treatment of Ruby Baptise (played by Wunmi Mosaku) on Lovecraft Country as a whole, complex woman whose relationships and sensuality/sexuality was, imo, almost more integral to the plot than the "main characters'". Not a judgment on the actual relationships portrayed but I was just SO happy to see the care and attention given to her that way. And it probably was the first time in my life I've seen that and it felt monumental or maybe pivotal is the better word? Idk, chile, I just hope it represents a coming shift in the way we portray people and bodies that aren't straight sized. Misha & Jordan did that!
If people cared about health they’d be stomping out Saweetie and her monstrous tastebuds
Facts. None of these ppl actually give a damn about health.
@@nenemahlangu5539 Thanks for putting it so eloquently! There really are risks when it comes to being overweight or even under weight. For some reason if you lose weight people accuse you of hating yourself or selling out eg Adele. I also don't understand why we cant love ourselves and improve our health at the same time.
@@monimuppet6132 NONE OF EM🙅🏾♀️
@@patriciazandilencube4597 lol you still believe the Adele thing was real when that was obviously a sock puppet troll account
@@nenemahlangu5539 Steady missing the point. No one is obligated to be healthy to be treated with decency. It doesn't matter if she's healthy. She never has to lose weight. She has the right to run her body into the ground by 40 if she so pleases, as do we all. She didn't ask anyone to "fix" her fatness. It's really telling how ppl keep patting themselves on the back for thrusting health advice and info her way. She didn't ask.You all aren't kind, you're just making excuses to be unkind and disapproving so you don't have to self-reflect on why you are attaching weight to how much respect and dignity you're going to show a person.
Going from an Australian size 16 to an Australian size 18 was a huge deal for me. Most luxury brands don't stock above 16 (US 12). It's become harder and harder to find things that fit me or even if they do, are flattering. I'm lucky there are plus sized brands and a lot more brands are stocking plus sized clothing. I think the definition for 'straight sized' needs to be adaptable to wherever its being applied.
Ditto- as another Aussie my struggle as a (very) pear shaped person, I can't find pants or dresses etc, especially as I've yoyoed in size from 14-6-16-6-20 ...😩
the whole “lizzo is lazy” claims make *zero* sense, especially if you’ve seen just one of her live performances. not only does she sound amazing live, she can sing, rap, dance, AND play the flute all in the same performance!! that takes insane breath control and talent! I used to play flute, and I would get winded just from playing it sitting down. for lizzo to perform that much and execute it that well is the exact opposite of “lazy”
I forgot Lizzo was a music artist I know her more for her antics than her music ☕️ but on the real I always say Lizzo should be up there with Megan Thee Stallion as far as being a bigger star than what she is now, because she is so talented and have the star power
The visibility and representation that is internalized by everyone will have good impacts. Her first song was very heart warming.
This video was exactly what I needed tonight. I was feeling really self-conscious and this helped put things into perspective. Thank you Khadija
Omg this got me thinking so much because I should start living my life right now, not in this hypothetical tomorrow when I'm gonna be having the body society accepts.
T h i s comment 🥺 the ideal body goes through trends anyway, what is ‘perfect’ today might not be tomorrow so you live your best life rn in whatever body you got!
I love that khadija talked about objectification in the same video that she personifies an object (her microphone stand) by feuding with it. Chef's kiss. Great video.
I'm rooting for you in the fight with your mic
thank you, it's been an ongoing battle
omg if you still are working on the chloe bailey video i think you should watch her genius lyrics breakdown of her song have mercy it gives such a good insight on her mind when making it
Lizzo just came out and was caught on film saying Chris Brown is her favourite person in the world so she can flaunt a little less rn imo
LOOOL oop.
Telling a Black woman how they should feel about people or issues they deal with in their communities isn't our job though. That's tone policing
@@twebster179 He’s literally an abuser I think it’s fair to criticise her for calling him her fav person
Fr and her taking her pants off on live was a bit much but what do you expect when she collaborated with cardi b a woman who robbed and drugged men as well as calling someone’s dead baby a monkey
tbh, that doesnt have much to do with this video. And people will probably just use that as an excuse to trash her weight and actions. I think thats a whole separate conversation. This video isn't about her morals and personality, but rather about her weight and public perception in appearance.
Great video Auntie K. Love the
Personally, I don't really have any feelings for Lizzo as she's pretty much like any celebrity propped up by capitalism. Although she's 1% and has access to the best doctors and nutritionists so I really could care less about Lizzo as a person. It's not my business but the hate she gets is absurd in my opinion.
I personally have a huge problem with performative activists of social media that praise obesity in others (usually black women of late) but would not live a similar lifestyle. When you have non-black folks who are not obese or in shape praising black women for being obese... it's kind of a form of benevolent racism. It's like they say "obesity is a good look on you, but I wouldn't wear it well." I don't really think you addressed
Auntie always hitting that nuance. A person's weight isn't the only signifier of health. Mike Tyson in his prime according to the BMI would be obese....
Aunty... I think you really should put out a diss track against the mic. It's getting real brave.
I find it very odd that people are so fixated on Lizzo's health and just fat people's health in general. Setting aside that you literally can't determine the state of someone's health based on how they look, I really don't think it matters whether they are healthy or not. Healthy and unhealthy is such a false binary. Health is not a marker of morality and you do not owe the world health. So if we're judging people based on how healthy we perceive them to be, what does that say about us as a society? Health can mean different things for different people. Regardless, Lizzo or anyone else doesn't have to be healthy in order to be happy and to live their lives they way they want.
People need to stop being so obsessed with health and other people's health honestly. People need to mind their own business
Health has a medical definition. Not definite but there are parameters in the physical domain obtained by extensive studies. So not an arbitrary false binary. Mental and social health hard to define maybe
health is not a marker of morality 👏 fr fatphobic people are so angry and full of hate because they are.... concerned about someone's health? it doesn't make sense. even if someone was unhealthy, there's this weird mindset that if a fat person is unhealthy it's their fault and due to their moral failings or something? when really you only have very little control over health and its awful to blame people for their health conditions. and that doesn't even bring up the obvious part that you can't tell someone's health by looking at them and everything else you said.
This conversation isn’t just discussing health though, it’s discussing health in regards to beauty standards and that is important to establish. This new movement is asking people to accept something unhealthy as beautiful. The same way that so many were outraged in the 90s when underweight waif bodies were deemed a beauty standard worth obtaining, people are now outraged by this current movement trying to claim that obesity can be a beauty standard. That is problematic. The discussion needs to change it’s course…if this movement simply said that we should all cherish and love ourselves regardless of our weight and nobody should be bashed for being fat aaaand that being thin doesn’t mean you’re healthy then there wouldn’t be an issue. Instead, what is happening is that this idea that people like Tess Holiday are healthy is being shoved down the throats of logical, intelligent, rational people and they’re saying nope. Any person who is obese has health issues and is therefore unhealthy, period. They can be active and eat well…but something caused that significant weight gain whether it be thyroid issues or gut issues or medication-led weight gain…all of these are health issues. If folks simply discussed this with rationale instead of trying to make everything PC then there wouldn’t be so many arguments.
That’s all good and dandy, but health is real. Lizzo is obese. The same people who say it’s no one’s business what size Lizzo is are the same ones who will cry that she died young due to health complications related to obesity. How anyone can honestly look at someone like Lizzo and not be concerned is beyond me. She does have a right to be the size she wants and shouldn’t be put down for it, but we shouldn’t act like concerns for obesity have no merit.
I find it funny how they focus on her health but she actually eats healthy and lost over a 120+ lbs over the pandemic. Then she's very physically active. And when she did start getting better in healthy habits they still attacked her character "she's losing weight so I guess she wasn't as confident as she said"
All of your videos give so much food for thought. One of the best youtube channels ever. Thank you!
So glad I was recommended this channel a few weeks ago
"alot of us are trying to be free". Exactly, that's all we want. But some people forget, because hate blinds them from the truth. The truth that, we all want to be ourselves and be accepted.
I think you’re one of the only commentary channels that actually gives nuance and complex thought to each issue instead of regurgitating easy liberal talking points to sound like a nice person. I love you and your beautiful mind (and face) so much!
Yup, she isn’t performative!🤣
Yes so many commentary channels say all the same things about all the same topics with hardly any research, it’s nice to have nuance!
@@miaomiaou_ I agree! They seem to cover complex topics in like 15 minutes and congratulate themselves and their audience for their “critical thinking” but I’m like how can you really dive in without nuance and at least more fleshed out ideas? Some creaters’ videos makes me feel like I’m back in my college classroom and the points are pretty easy to reach for without any complex thought and they don’t add much to the topic...I don’t mean to sound harsh but I just love creators who take the time to go to the next level like Mbowe. :)
without this video i'm not sure I would have ever felt empowered to talk about being in a fat body. thank you Khadija
To those who criticize fat people's health: 1. Why are you more concerned with a person's physical health than mental health? You're not saying anything that a fat person hasn't already heard. 2. Just say you're fatphobic and move on.
Khadija!! Powder blue really is your color, omg, you look stunning :')
cant wait to hear your thoughts on this topic, but before i watch the video, periwinkle looks SOOOO good on you!!!
Your complexion and that dimple are EVERYTHING 😍😍😍😍❤❤❤❤
SO exited for this video !
OMG “YOU’RE WRONG ABOUT” **AND** “MAINTENANCE PHASE”?!?! it makes me unreasonably happy to hear two of my favorite podcasts getting a shoutout from one of my favorite youtubers 😌
Lizzo is healthier than me. A straight bodied person. Not only does she work out, and go on tour, but she is also vegan and sugar free. People need to stop equating health to weight. Unhealthy people can be slim, and healthy people can be fat! So many factors go into why someone is the weight they are
I love how articulate and smart you are but also the quirky vibe. I’m here for it.
Kills me how everybody saying "she's grown. She needs to cover up". Hun like you said. She's GROWN. She's not doing anything for "attention" when she, a grown ass woman, is dressing how she wants to attend the party of another grown ass woman🤦🏾♀️
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