Exactly! Almost every mission I just throw on a bunch of random garbage. Keeps things fresh and spicy. I've been having a blast with the purgation flamer recently though, it's super underrated.
I have picked up the game just recently. I have leveled the Psyker to 30, and almost finished with Ogryn. Zealot will be the next for sure. This class sound fun too.
@basedlegionary6877 as a vet main who isn't jaded like you, every game I'm in has at least 1 Goober who's bad and class definitely has zero bearing on that lmao
My favorite build with Zealot so far has been using the Ignagtus Crusher, with the charge, a Purgation Flamer, Throwing Knives, and Blazing Piety with Everlasting Flame(i think)on the Flamer. I call it "Super Psycho Baseball". EF and Peity let you have a near bottomless fuel tank on you flamer, so hordes get absolutely decimated. Knives for distant enimies, charge and Crusher for close enemies. Loads of fun.
The easiest way to tell what is OP in any game is what are most of the sweatiest tryhards and trash playing beyond their skill using. In Darktide it's Zealot. In Vermintide it was Elf.
@@MisterEtide I've been keeping a spreadsheet over the past . . . while. I have 162 games played. I have 8 trash Vets recorded. I have 36 trash Zealots. It's not even close man, trash loves Zealot.
@@arn1345 No tryhard is running smite psyker, EVER. Smite is the ultimate casual tool. And while Shout is super strong and loved by all strata of players it's not Zealot broken.
You get piled on for not using duellist in a build and then I make mine critiquing the absence of Pious and use cases for shroud and we get this one huh... 😅 Either way, I'm glad you are absorbing information and improving your game knowledge. I don't know a lot of things in this game as well and I feel there's always something. Although I don't agree with all of your content, I do applaud your intention in making more sweeping content like class breakdowns, tier lists etc. These things are lacking in the DT content creation space and it's good someone has been doing it. It can be very difficult to make these videos and you do make them comprehensive for all audiences and with skill. Very good upload!
Yeah, it was partly a reply to that sort of criticism, partly because i wanted to put into words what makes him feel so easy to play (once you have enough skill). I feel that with as easy as the game is, there’s a ton of viable setups that will roll maelstroms, and i just wanted to touch on the strongest talents and weapon synergies (though of course im still getting people mad because i left out thy wrath be swift by accident) HOT TAKE INCOMING- Duelist is an overkill talent on knife and d sword. When i have it i routinely have as much overkill damage as i have damage. The amount of screeching from the “duelist lovers discord” about my disinclusion of it from that stealth build was quite amusing- i highly doubt any of them even tried it to see that you do, in fact, have plenty of damage. (And pure damage is not the source of its strength) I’m STILL banning people who are mad about that haha 😂
@MisterEtide lol what can you do, I think it's good you're at least starting conversation. I don't think Thy Wrath Be Swift is that good honestly either.
Main zealot here [1800 hours] but honestly, the lack of flexibility with most of zealots builds is awful. We won't even talk about the middle tree, and gunslinger path blows big time. Currently, with flame staff and gun psyker's and shout veterans, I think zealot is far from being the strongest in this era. If anything, zealot needs a talent tree rework asap along with Orgyn.
I agree that the zealot has really no diversity in builds. His talent pathing is very fixed because he lacks paths that cross between columns. However, his capacity to output damage and survivability are top notch, and his clutch potential is the best among the classes. I would like to see a rework since i feel he has a bunch of dead talents, but i would be worried about giving him too much more power.
Im more of an ogryn player myself. Hes not as good and is much harder to make a well rounded character but i prefer being able to facetank damage than to just constantly dish out big numbers. I did make a zealot yesterday for the first time since launch though and I see what the hype is about. I still like the chorus talent the most because I do honestly like the utility to stagger and suppress enemies while applying a team buff. If you have any amount of coordination with teammates a 20% damage buff woth overheal goes kinda crazy. I built mine for more sustain than damage but even wirh a suboptimal build and shit gear its been a fun grind so far
Ogryn is fun, but the problem is that at higher difficulties you really don't want to be taking any hits because they hurt a LOT. Zealot is king at taking no damage, ogryn gets beat on by everything in the whole map T^T
Zealot and Veteran are top two strongest classes, I rarely ever see Psykers cause their builds seem more related to support and simply struggle to compete at times, I would honestly like to see buffs to Psykers and Ogryns in a way that brings them up to similar power levels to the top two so people are encouraged to play the other classes instead of seeing entire full lobbies of Zealots and Veterans. Though an Ogryn and Psyker who knows what they doing is quite formidable already.
Thanks for the video! Zealot is actually my worst class so it's interesting to hear people explain why they like it best. I can hard carry a squad with veteran or ogryn, but as a zealot I'm squishy and hit like a noodle. People like discussing builds all day long on forums, but it really comes down to just skill. Now helping people be better players (rather than simply making better builds) would really be something.
The sweatier I want to play the better I play. That’s the thing with this game. It’s one of my favorite ever but that is the reality of the difficulty curve. Having to constantly slide across the map can be annoying if I’m not feeling it. Positioning is also an important element. The more you know the maps, the better you’ll play. Build optimization is important, of course, and makes up for lack of skill but physically playing the game trumps all.
All you need for starting Zealot is the Heavy Sword and getting used to dodging left'n'right while deleting the stuff in front of you. Oh, and slide towards gunners. slide, slide, slide
Zealot has my favourite talent tree layout of all the classes. Literally the only thing I would change is to move Ambuscade to the middle path so that the (few) ranged talents are more grouped together. Zealot doesn't really have a good hybrid ranged build the way vet has a hybrid melee spec but I still want to make it work on one of my loadouts.
good speed, good melee strength+melee speed in a melee focused game, 3 good "grenade" choices, access to flamethrower, the only thing zealot might struggle with is large numbers of shooters but that can be remedied with tactics or ability choices, zealot is extremely wellrounded.
Nice video Mr. E! I came back to Darktide a week ago and im having a lot of fun. I'm really enjoying the various build guides and other videos. As a relatively newer player I'd love to see a video like this for each class, talking about what is and isn't powerful, what your opinion is on each class and skill tree, and your preferred options in terms of playstyle, weapons, skills etc.
I’ve been playing zealot for the longest back when the game came out and including vermintide 2. Most fun class ever and with the talent tree rework it made zealot even better. Shroud field is such a great ability especially for getting those clutch revives whenever you need someone up during those desperate moments. Having perfectionist is good to just deal damage but to me the extra 5 seconds really helps the team and you to an extent to also reposition yourself more favourably when you need those bit of extra time. To me duelling sword has been the most fun thing they allowed zealot to have because I combine precognition along with uncanny strike because it also helps dealing with crushers and maulers even more that way. I sacrifice a bit of more consistent crits but it for sure have paid off for me at least enough that the crit from bleeds offsets it in a way for me.
@@MisterEtideI can agree on that honestly there’s a lot of talents that’s a must for any builds on zealot honestly. Looking at you until death. But overall I feel like it could or should be tuned to not be a must but more to specialise in something someone wants. Because of this it can feel somewhat same when you’re trying to make it different in a build for zealot.
Zealots ability to basically be invisible at almost all times is just too stronk. A high skill zealot is godly to have on your team. A low skill zealot still helps. Im never mad to see any class honestly though, even the psychics.
High skill cap classes/builds should be rewarded with high effectiveness. Not every build has to be viable for every player (we need goals ^^). I currently have a hard time getting enough backstabs in for the cooldown. I always have like 5-9 sec cooldown left after invisibility - and I mained Elf in VT2 quite well (Cata Twitch). I will try getting the hang of invis Zealot and if it's not my cup of tea (missing the chained-backstabs from VT2 ^^), I can still use a different build.
@Daskard I had the same problem. Turns out I just really suck at doing the assassin build. I've had way more luck with the Antax Axe/Fury setup. I find face tanking easier and it still keeps the team in tip top shape. I'll never get the DPS these guys get with daggers but I don't feel at any loss for it.
The problem with all the stats is. When you completely over run on the harder levels. Well..How fast you regenerate doesn’t mean anything when you’re completely surrounded then torched, and you can’t move, or netted, or gunned from every direction. Mutated hound. RIP
You will never ever be surrounded as a Zealot. So this is a complete mute point. If you get surrounded you need to be more aware of what's happening around you and know when to stop holding W
@@MisterEtide It’s not about skill sometimes it’s just a situation you end up in where they just appear everywhere and anywhere all at the same time. Play the harder levels and that happens Netter comes out of nowhere pox exploder flamer torch you. That’s when how fast you can regenerate means nothing. I get your point, but everybody ends up in those situations on the harder levels. From time to time I don’t care how good you are and how good your skill is.
@@calshepherd3659 Knowing spawn points, sound cues and overall situational awareness... heard same stuff since Vermintide... the volume of stuff happening, analyzing it and reacting accordingly ON THE GO... that is skill issue.
@@calshepherd3659the issue with this statement itself is zealot has the ability to easily recover from situations like that even if they happen, and they don’t really happen if you know spawns, overall have the game sense for darktide, spawns are easy to read and audio plays a large part in knowing what’s coming
I agree it is the best class when it comes to combining both damage and survivability. I solo damnation with him using the Rouge build and it is so good.
Nice video. A few things: 1. You're badly undervaluing thy wrath be swift. That talent is so strong for dedicated melee combat. It also makes heavy weapons (like thunderhammers) totally viable in horde situations. Dance of death is also a life changing talent for many ranged weapons, so you're not really wasting talents getting thy wrath be swift. 2. If you're playing a finesse weapon with high crit multipliers, you're going to get more damage out of blazing piety than with inexorable judgment. 3. Not that shroudfield isn't good, but FOF is just better as a pure combat ability due to the lower cooldown (and extra charge), attack speed buff, and mobility that it provides. One thing you forgot to mention is all of the rending that FOF provides, which gives weapons without natural AP capabilities the ability to kill (and even one-shot) crushers.
Thanks for the input! I love playing with fof, in fact it is my preferred skill- but I have to acknowledge the place that sf has in the current meta- both are absurdly good and allow you to run over auric maelstroms, just sf has silly boss killing potential and invis is broken vs this games ai.
All of three of these points are inaccurate. If you want reasons why you can reference my video which I think inspired him to make this one, a bit, at least. You will overkill with finesse weapons on zealot regardless of FoF or Momentum. Momentum offers more with skilled play. Blazing is only better if you don't manage your dodges properly.
@@Torinatorr What exactly is inaccurate? If all you're using is the dueling sword (which let's be honest, is a broken weapon), then yeah, you can skip thy wrath be swift. But that doesn't change the fact that it is a great talent that makes many other weapons viable. Any zealot that is only using dueling swords and combat blades is going to have some major holes in their game. There's no universe where shroudfield is a better pure combat ability than FOF. The only advantage that shroudfield has is as a clutching tool. If you value that, fine. What I'm more interested in, however, is the momentum vs. blazing piety debate. Overkilling trash is a greatly overstated problem when the extra crit/finesse damage lets you reliably kill elites in less swings. I'll take that all day long over marginally better performance against trash that doesn't really make a difference in the long run.
@@xDaunt My video comments on both your second and third point. It's not just about overkill. There is lost synergy with your CDR talents and at a certain crit point additional attack speed outweighs additional crit for net DPS. It is only better to use blazing piety if you're incapable of upkeep on crit buffs as you will not hit said breakpoint without this type of play. To your first point, any of the weapons it enables ease of use on can be used the exact same way with better play. That doesn't make it a useless talent, but it does make it pointless if the people playing are above-average. Shroudfield outdamages FOF significantly with skilled play, especially if you double up your attacks with tech. It also offers DR. The finesse bonus is mathematically greater than the flat damage increase of FoF. The only time the rending bonus outpaces is with weapons that don't have high inherent penetration. In this case, you're correct, FoF is better, but those weapons are not meta in the higher-levels of play. This isn't to say these things aren't good and you're wholly inaccurate. But to say better isn't true.
Any particular reason you dismissed the "Thy Wrath be Swift" node? In pub games, I very often cannot rely on my teammates to protect me while completing the data-interrogator minigames and the stun immunity prevents from being interrupted every single time I get hit.
Accidentally cut it from this take. I think its a fine node depending on weapon choice. If you are running dagger or duelling sword you wont need it, shroudfield cloaks you for objectives as well.
being a zealot player myself, not a big fan of some of those interactions tbh. mostly stay away from the dueling sword and the knife. prefer mowing with the heavy chainsword :)
@@RiderDecker No, it's a boring, unfun, and borderline troll playstyle, i hope the knife builds get nerfed so hard that people go back to playing builds that are actually beneficial to their team, instead of being useless off runners
@RiderDecker yea i know it's very strong, too strong probably. Just doesnt really fit what i like to do in a 40k game. Im not gonna be a zealot yelling "for the emperor!!" Slicing hordes with a tiny knife 😅
@@SonnyDa3rd You thought of yourself as really smart while typing that, hm? I tell you something buddy, you are a braindead r*tard that should be deleted from existance like most of humanity, all you bring to the table is to poison the genepool, you are not smart, you are not special, you are not the maincharacter, you arrogant prick... the fact that you felt personally attacked after me ranting about a dogshit, overhyped build used exclusively by skillless imb*ciles, tells me you are exactly the type of player that dies in the first room to a single rager, so fuck off and go copy more mister e builds (he doesn't understand the game and does zero research, like you)
veteran gets the same level of buffing passively. my veteran consistently out performs my zealot in the psykhanium; in matches its less noticeable as the zealot buffs are actually active in normal gameplay. its just easier to be more powerful as the veteran.
Man, zealot is my favorite class, but the skill tree is so badly done. Even just the distribution of the nodes is incredibly weird, especially in the middle part of the tree. The best builds are amazing but there’s so little flexibility. I just wish a gunslinger zealot was good, but all the talents for it suck so much. Emperor’s bullet is especially egregious, it’s so terrible
Haven't watched this yet since I'm really really REALLY trying to like zealot, my current view on zealot is like: if I want to melee everything I can go ogryn (even tho I find it quite boring) if I want to deal a ton of damage I can go veteran and shoot stuff from a distance, if I want to support my team I can go psyker with shields and smite and now that it got buffed it feels much better, but zealot so far feels like a more squishy ogryn and risky vet. I welcome any tips, maybe the video might cover that or help me get a few ideas on how to build zealot
as you improve your skills you will realize that ogrun is just a squishier zealot, zealot can dodge all attacks aimed his way and all his attacks are lightning fast. But you need a good amount of experience before zealot really goes to the next level.
Yeah, been trying to avoid having to go specifically dodge and backstabbing spam but seems the way to go, it's just a huge change of pace from my usual playstyle
some things forgotten: Fury of the faithful bypasses enemy armor type (basically "single damage move" of 100% rending, shredding has some wierd mechanics) so it allows killing elites with some momentum/spacing given to zealot. My personal opinion is that the design team wanted zealot to be a front liner that is heavily momentum based, sourced from either the team or from as many melee hits/dodging as much as possible. A zealot can easily get overun if they don't have space to attack. Unlike prior versions of zealot that had bleed crits also give full damage reduction which made them facetank elites and ragers compared to current toughness damage reduction only. Its also my personal opinion, that Zealot is only as imbalanced as the weapons blessing design make it. I don't think dodge efficiency and rending in its current form should be in some weapons designs particularly knife and dueling sword. Dodge efficiency should at most be an single enemy debuff (like throwing sand in a single targets eyes) and uncanny strike for rending should be reserved for heavy weapons (an armor breaker of sorts), or be tuned down more. Flurry based weapons should be able to quickly kill single unarmored targets, but go with the philosophy of death by a thousand cuts for "larger" enemies.
Nah, Psykers need those rending blessings on those highly mobile weapons to have any chance at being effective as melee combatants in higher tier gameplay. They're too squishy to weild cumbersome heavy melee weapons and enemy armor is plentiful on high tier missions. If anything just restrict Zealots/Vets from using dueling swords, and restrict two-handed weapons like power mauls/heavy swords to Zealot. They're completely out of place with Psykers anyway.
@@Jimoshi1 That got patched out. Edit: I tested it before and it didn't work anymore, but I wanted to leave the door open to say that there could be a bug where it still works, but in general testing, I haven't found one.
Feedback: Your voice is so good, keeps me entertained and focused on the topic, could you ever break down a game of the highest difficulty? I like the way you break down stuff and a full run broken down to showcase newer players what mindset they need to play at the highest levels
So what do you think should be done? A nerf? I know some people wouldn't like that. The class seems OP, but is it so ridiculously OP that it's ruining the game?
@@MisterEtide The thing is, with that mentality, you will end up like Diablo 3 where there are 20+ "difficulties" and gameplay mechanics stop mattering because of the power creep. IMO generally speaking, this "Never nerf" mentality that spewed from Helldivers and casuals is absolutely retarded. Darktide is already "easier" in many aspects compared to Vermintide 2 thanks to hybrid ranged-melee combat and waaaaaay more impactfull talets.
Do you know if the toughness boost on the left side of blazing piety refreshs each time you kill something? Also would you still consider the bleed talents on the dueling sword or the eviscerator? I've been trying to get s decent build for the later for ages.
Finally decided to deal with my conputers shirty performance and pkay darktide. The game is so good its worth the shit performance and i immediately picked zealot. This video makes me happy.
@RiderDecker yea it does help. My pc really doesn't have any business running darktide tho 😂 really need to upgrade but there's talk of a ps5 port finally happening and darktide is really the only game I play on pc atm
@prich0382 thats dope lol I'm a novice with computers. Know enough to get by and have my fun but thats about it so what I got is what I got and its only doing so much lol don't know shit about overclocking or pushing a rig to get more out of it any of that shit and really not interested enough to learn. Darktide looks like a Xbox 360 game and gets good enough frames on my pc so fuck it ive played worse in my days on this earth 😂
What do you consider the strongest mark/perks/blessings for the combat blade? I'm an eviscerator and hammer (although it's admittedly still pretty weak) enjoyer, but I'd be curious on your knife recommendation.
Is there any way to get a Duelling Sword other than buying a base lvl duelling sword at ~300 power from the armory? I've never received any as reward and haven't seen one at Melk's
You called thy wrath be swift useless. Are you aware its description is incorrect and it actually gives you total permanent 100% stun immunity with no conditions? Including ranged damage.
@@TheGielnik You can get 5 efficient dodges with the knife. With practice you should be able to chain 5 slides together without being stunned. If you can't get to cover in 5 slides. You're just massively out of position and you need to not do that next time
He is not, stop making clickbait like this, it only will get my favorite class nerfed and i'm sick and tired of games i like becoming less fun because of reddit and youtubers
Zealot is just shroud, ATM, and if it weren't for shroud it'd be the worst class in the game. Book and Fury are fairly laughable compared to other classes ults, and their capstones are also worse. They have two good throwables but only one of them (knives) has nodes you want, and really NEED to take. Blazing Piety isn't needed anymore (except on Recon Lasgun). And we only have one good aura, and even that is less useful the better your teammates are. Vet is also tankier than us. Right now shroud zealot is the best in the game, but gun psyker is tickling it's feet and Vet is not far behind.
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As a Zealous, who doesnt use any builds because the light of the Emperor is the only shield I need, I feel very zealofied right now.
That's called the "Emperor's build" and is the only build you will ever need. Emperor protect you, zealofied one.
Exactly! Almost every mission I just throw on a bunch of random garbage. Keeps things fresh and spicy. I've been having a blast with the purgation flamer recently though, it's super underrated.
Don’t forget the Shredder Grenade for Veterans.
And the absolutely perfection of the tree, the Zealot’s tree placements are just mean..
I have picked up the game just recently. I have leveled the Psyker to 30, and almost finished with Ogryn. Zealot will be the next for sure. This class sound fun too.
yeah just pop a couple adderall and youre ready to play knife zealot!
As someone who takes Ritalin (prescription) and is currently playing a knife zealot I feel personally attacked 🤣🤣🤣
Don’t forget to breathe and get out in the sun every now and then. Lol
Please don't give Fatshark ideas to nerf Zealot. I'm so sick and tired of seeing shouts vets overpopulate the lobbies.
Im sick and tired of veterans in general, the lowest skilled players are always veterans, even though the class itself is fine
C’mon, i’m getting better and my shredder grenades and gold toughness for everyone is pretty awesome.
@basedlegionary6877 as a vet main who isn't jaded like you, every game I'm in has at least 1 Goober who's bad and class definitely has zero bearing on that lmao
@@basedlegionary6877 Imagine thinking classes determine the player skill... People are delusional 😂
Zealot is the best class to play when fresh level 30s queue up for auric damnation
My favorite build with Zealot so far has been using the Ignagtus Crusher, with the charge, a Purgation Flamer, Throwing Knives, and Blazing Piety with Everlasting Flame(i think)on the Flamer. I call it "Super Psycho Baseball". EF and Peity let you have a near bottomless fuel tank on you flamer, so hordes get absolutely decimated. Knives for distant enimies, charge and Crusher for close enemies. Loads of fun.
The easiest way to tell what is OP in any game is what are most of the sweatiest tryhards and trash playing beyond their skill using. In Darktide it's Zealot. In Vermintide it was Elf.
They might also play plasma gun shout veteran, to be fair
@@MisterEtide I've been keeping a spreadsheet over the past . . . while. I have 162 games played. I have 8 trash Vets recorded. I have 36 trash Zealots. It's not even close man, trash loves Zealot.
idk man all the tryhards are playing shout veteran or smite psyker
@@arn1345 No tryhard is running smite psyker, EVER. Smite is the ultimate casual tool.
And while Shout is super strong and loved by all strata of players it's not Zealot broken.
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This is my first time seeing people complain about balance in a PvE, zealot is 100% strong asf but each class has an “easy mode” build honestly.
If I had to choose only one class to play it would be zealot, the first class I played
You get piled on for not using duellist in a build and then I make mine critiquing the absence of Pious and use cases for shroud and we get this one huh... 😅
Either way, I'm glad you are absorbing information and improving your game knowledge. I don't know a lot of things in this game as well and I feel there's always something.
Although I don't agree with all of your content, I do applaud your intention in making more sweeping content like class breakdowns, tier lists etc. These things are lacking in the DT content creation space and it's good someone has been doing it.
It can be very difficult to make these videos and you do make them comprehensive for all audiences and with skill.
Very good upload!
Yeah, it was partly a reply to that sort of criticism, partly because i wanted to put into words what makes him feel so easy to play (once you have enough skill).
I feel that with as easy as the game is, there’s a ton of viable setups that will roll maelstroms, and i just wanted to touch on the strongest talents and weapon synergies (though of course im still getting people mad because i left out thy wrath be swift by accident)
HOT TAKE INCOMING- Duelist is an overkill talent on knife and d sword. When i have it i routinely have as much overkill damage as i have damage. The amount of screeching from the “duelist lovers discord” about my disinclusion of it from that stealth build was quite amusing- i highly doubt any of them even tried it to see that you do, in fact, have plenty of damage. (And pure damage is not the source of its strength) I’m STILL banning people who are mad about that haha 😂
@MisterEtide lol what can you do, I think it's good you're at least starting conversation. I don't think Thy Wrath Be Swift is that good honestly either.
Main zealot here [1800 hours] but honestly, the lack of flexibility with most of zealots builds is awful. We won't even talk about the middle tree, and gunslinger path blows big time.
Currently, with flame staff and gun psyker's and shout veterans, I think zealot is far from being the strongest in this era.
If anything, zealot needs a talent tree rework asap along with Orgyn.
I agree that the zealot has really no diversity in builds. His talent pathing is very fixed because he lacks paths that cross between columns. However, his capacity to output damage and survivability are top notch, and his clutch potential is the best among the classes. I would like to see a rework since i feel he has a bunch of dead talents, but i would be worried about giving him too much more power.
Im more of an ogryn player myself. Hes not as good and is much harder to make a well rounded character but i prefer being able to facetank damage than to just constantly dish out big numbers. I did make a zealot yesterday for the first time since launch though and I see what the hype is about. I still like the chorus talent the most because I do honestly like the utility to stagger and suppress enemies while applying a team buff. If you have any amount of coordination with teammates a 20% damage buff woth overheal goes kinda crazy. I built mine for more sustain than damage but even wirh a suboptimal build and shit gear its been a fun grind so far
Ogryn is fun, but the problem is that at higher difficulties you really don't want to be taking any hits because they hurt a LOT. Zealot is king at taking no damage, ogryn gets beat on by everything in the whole map T^T
@@MisterEtide I'd really like an Ogryn node that increases his dodge range. Wouldn't feel unwarranted.
Zealot and Veteran are top two strongest classes, I rarely ever see Psykers cause their builds seem more related to support and simply struggle to compete at times, I would honestly like to see buffs to Psykers and Ogryns in a way that brings them up to similar power levels to the top two so people are encouraged to play the other classes instead of seeing entire full lobbies of Zealots and Veterans. Though an Ogryn and Psyker who knows what they doing is quite formidable already.
The problem is that psyker is just generally way more complicated than the rest
Same here man! It was the first class I played, right when it came out, and I’ve just stuck with it.
Thanks for the video! Zealot is actually my worst class so it's interesting to hear people explain why they like it best. I can hard carry a squad with veteran or ogryn, but as a zealot I'm squishy and hit like a noodle.
People like discussing builds all day long on forums, but it really comes down to just skill. Now helping people be better players (rather than simply making better builds) would really be something.
The sweatier I want to play the better I play. That’s the thing with this game. It’s one of my favorite ever but that is the reality of the difficulty curve. Having to constantly slide across the map can be annoying if I’m not feeling it. Positioning is also an important element. The more you know the maps, the better you’ll play.
Build optimization is important, of course, and makes up for lack of skill but physically playing the game trumps all.
All you need for starting Zealot is the Heavy Sword and getting used to dodging left'n'right while deleting the stuff in front of you. Oh, and slide towards gunners. slide, slide, slide
Zealot has my favourite talent tree layout of all the classes. Literally the only thing I would change is to move Ambuscade to the middle path so that the (few) ranged talents are more grouped together.
Zealot doesn't really have a good hybrid ranged build the way vet has a hybrid melee spec but I still want to make it work on one of my loadouts.
I feel psyker, veteran and zealot are all equally insanely strong its ogryn thats noticeably the weakest of the bunch.
good speed, good melee strength+melee speed in a melee focused game, 3 good "grenade" choices, access to flamethrower, the only thing zealot might struggle with is large numbers of shooters but that can be remedied with tactics or ability choices, zealot is extremely wellrounded.
Nice video Mr. E! I came back to Darktide a week ago and im having a lot of fun. I'm really enjoying the various build guides and other videos. As a relatively newer player I'd love to see a video like this for each class, talking about what is and isn't powerful, what your opinion is on each class and skill tree, and your preferred options in terms of playstyle, weapons, skills etc.
Love to see a video just like this for all the classes.
I’ve been playing zealot for the longest back when the game came out and including vermintide 2. Most fun class ever and with the talent tree rework it made zealot even better. Shroud field is such a great ability especially for getting those clutch revives whenever you need someone up during those desperate moments. Having perfectionist is good to just deal damage but to me the extra 5 seconds really helps the team and you to an extent to also reposition yourself more favourably when you need those bit of extra time. To me duelling sword has been the most fun thing they allowed zealot to have because I combine precognition along with uncanny strike because it also helps dealing with crushers and maulers even more that way. I sacrifice a bit of more consistent crits but it for sure have paid off for me at least enough that the crit from bleeds offsets it in a way for me.
Zealot needs another rework though. The fact none of his branches are connected means he has like, 3 builds. There are too many “must-pick” nodes atm
@@MisterEtideI can agree on that honestly there’s a lot of talents that’s a must for any builds on zealot honestly. Looking at you until death. But overall I feel like it could or should be tuned to not be a must but more to specialise in something someone wants. Because of this it can feel somewhat same when you’re trying to make it different in a build for zealot.
Zealots ability to basically be invisible at almost all times is just too stronk.
A high skill zealot is godly to have on your team. A low skill zealot still helps.
Im never mad to see any class honestly though, even the psychics.
High skill cap classes/builds should be rewarded with high effectiveness. Not every build has to be viable for every player (we need goals ^^).
I currently have a hard time getting enough backstabs in for the cooldown. I always have like 5-9 sec cooldown left after invisibility - and I mained Elf in VT2 quite well (Cata Twitch). I will try getting the hang of invis Zealot and if it's not my cup of tea (missing the chained-backstabs from VT2 ^^), I can still use a different build.
@Daskard I had the same problem. Turns out I just really suck at doing the assassin build. I've had way more luck with the Antax Axe/Fury setup. I find face tanking easier and it still keeps the team in tip top shape. I'll never get the DPS these guys get with daggers but I don't feel at any loss for it.
The problem with all the stats is. When you completely over run on the harder levels. Well..How fast you regenerate doesn’t mean anything when you’re completely surrounded then torched, and you can’t move, or netted, or gunned from every direction. Mutated hound. RIP
with extra stamina you can sprint, slide, and push and never become surrounded. the more skill you have, the more important stamina becomes
You will never ever be surrounded as a Zealot. So this is a complete mute point.
If you get surrounded you need to be more aware of what's happening around you and know when to stop holding W
@@MisterEtide It’s not about skill sometimes it’s just a situation you end up in where they just appear everywhere and anywhere all at the same time. Play the harder levels and that happens Netter comes out of nowhere pox exploder flamer torch you. That’s when how fast you can regenerate means nothing. I get your point, but everybody ends up in those situations on the harder levels. From time to time I don’t care how good you are and how good your skill is.
@@calshepherd3659 Knowing spawn points, sound cues and overall situational awareness... heard same stuff since Vermintide... the volume of stuff happening, analyzing it and reacting accordingly ON THE GO... that is skill issue.
@@calshepherd3659the issue with this statement itself is zealot has the ability to easily recover from situations like that even if they happen, and they don’t really happen if you know spawns, overall have the game sense for darktide, spawns are easy to read and audio plays a large part in knowing what’s coming
I agree it is the best class when it comes to combining both damage and survivability.
I solo damnation with him using the Rouge build and it is so good.
Nice video. A few things:
1. You're badly undervaluing thy wrath be swift. That talent is so strong for dedicated melee combat. It also makes heavy weapons (like thunderhammers) totally viable in horde situations. Dance of death is also a life changing talent for many ranged weapons, so you're not really wasting talents getting thy wrath be swift.
2. If you're playing a finesse weapon with high crit multipliers, you're going to get more damage out of blazing piety than with inexorable judgment.
3. Not that shroudfield isn't good, but FOF is just better as a pure combat ability due to the lower cooldown (and extra charge), attack speed buff, and mobility that it provides. One thing you forgot to mention is all of the rending that FOF provides, which gives weapons without natural AP capabilities the ability to kill (and even one-shot) crushers.
Thanks for the input! I love playing with fof, in fact it is my preferred skill- but I have to acknowledge the place that sf has in the current meta- both are absurdly good and allow you to run over auric maelstroms, just sf has silly boss killing potential and invis is broken vs this games ai.
All of three of these points are inaccurate. If you want reasons why you can reference my video which I think inspired him to make this one, a bit, at least. You will overkill with finesse weapons on zealot regardless of FoF or Momentum. Momentum offers more with skilled play. Blazing is only better if you don't manage your dodges properly.
Damn imagine trying to go "uhm akchtually ☝🤓" thinking you're smarter.
Then being completely wrong on all 3 points you made
@@Torinatorr What exactly is inaccurate? If all you're using is the dueling sword (which let's be honest, is a broken weapon), then yeah, you can skip thy wrath be swift. But that doesn't change the fact that it is a great talent that makes many other weapons viable. Any zealot that is only using dueling swords and combat blades is going to have some major holes in their game.
There's no universe where shroudfield is a better pure combat ability than FOF. The only advantage that shroudfield has is as a clutching tool. If you value that, fine.
What I'm more interested in, however, is the momentum vs. blazing piety debate. Overkilling trash is a greatly overstated problem when the extra crit/finesse damage lets you reliably kill elites in less swings. I'll take that all day long over marginally better performance against trash that doesn't really make a difference in the long run.
@@xDaunt My video comments on both your second and third point. It's not just about overkill. There is lost synergy with your CDR talents and at a certain crit point additional attack speed outweighs additional crit for net DPS. It is only better to use blazing piety if you're incapable of upkeep on crit buffs as you will not hit said breakpoint without this type of play. To your first point, any of the weapons it enables ease of use on can be used the exact same way with better play. That doesn't make it a useless talent, but it does make it pointless if the people playing are above-average.
Shroudfield outdamages FOF significantly with skilled play, especially if you double up your attacks with tech. It also offers DR. The finesse bonus is mathematically greater than the flat damage increase of FoF. The only time the rending bonus outpaces is with weapons that don't have high inherent penetration. In this case, you're correct, FoF is better, but those weapons are not meta in the higher-levels of play.
This isn't to say these things aren't good and you're wholly inaccurate. But to say better isn't true.
is the background music form DRG ? it sounds extremely familiar :D
yeah im pretty the first song is "coward's crossing"
Any particular reason you dismissed the "Thy Wrath be Swift" node? In pub games, I very often cannot rely on my teammates to protect me while completing the data-interrogator minigames and the stun immunity prevents from being interrupted every single time I get hit.
Accidentally cut it from this take. I think its a fine node depending on weapon choice. If you are running dagger or duelling sword you wont need it, shroudfield cloaks you for objectives as well.
being a zealot player myself, not a big fan of some of those interactions tbh. mostly stay away from the dueling sword and the knife. prefer mowing with the heavy chainsword :)
you must try the combat blade with a crit and bleed focus. You become stupid tanky and kill everything with 2 - 4 hits and keep moving.
@@RiderDecker No, it's a boring, unfun, and borderline troll playstyle, i hope the knife builds get nerfed so hard that people go back to playing builds that are actually beneficial to their team, instead of being useless off runners
@RiderDecker yea i know it's very strong, too strong probably. Just doesnt really fit what i like to do in a 40k game. Im not gonna be a zealot yelling "for the emperor!!" Slicing hordes with a tiny knife 😅
@@basedlegionary6877crying bout stuff in a PvE game lol so brainless
@@SonnyDa3rd You thought of yourself as really smart while typing that, hm? I tell you something buddy, you are a braindead r*tard that should be deleted from existance like most of humanity, all you bring to the table is to poison the genepool, you are not smart, you are not special, you are not the maincharacter, you arrogant prick... the fact that you felt personally attacked after me ranting about a dogshit, overhyped build used exclusively by skillless imb*ciles, tells me you are exactly the type of player that dies in the first room to a single rager, so fuck off and go copy more mister e builds (he doesn't understand the game and does zero research, like you)
veteran gets the same level of buffing passively. my veteran consistently out performs my zealot in the psykhanium; in matches its less noticeable as the zealot buffs are actually active in normal gameplay. its just easier to be more powerful as the veteran.
Man, zealot is my favorite class, but the skill tree is so badly done. Even just the distribution of the nodes is incredibly weird, especially in the middle part of the tree. The best builds are amazing but there’s so little flexibility. I just wish a gunslinger zealot was good, but all the talents for it suck so much. Emperor’s bullet is especially egregious, it’s so terrible
Just came back after a long break i know most hate it but i forgot how much i enjoy the knife zealot lol
What is the OST in the video?
(Found it, it's cowards crossing for Deep Rock Galactic)
Haven't watched this yet since I'm really really REALLY trying to like zealot, my current view on zealot is like: if I want to melee everything I can go ogryn (even tho I find it quite boring) if I want to deal a ton of damage I can go veteran and shoot stuff from a distance, if I want to support my team I can go psyker with shields and smite and now that it got buffed it feels much better, but zealot so far feels like a more squishy ogryn and risky vet. I welcome any tips, maybe the video might cover that or help me get a few ideas on how to build zealot
as you improve your skills you will realize that ogrun is just a squishier zealot, zealot can dodge all attacks aimed his way and all his attacks are lightning fast. But you need a good amount of experience before zealot really goes to the next level.
Yeah, been trying to avoid having to go specifically dodge and backstabbing spam but seems the way to go, it's just a huge change of pace from my usual playstyle
some things forgotten:
Fury of the faithful bypasses enemy armor type (basically "single damage move" of 100% rending, shredding has some wierd mechanics) so it allows killing elites with some momentum/spacing given to zealot.
My personal opinion is that the design team wanted zealot to be a front liner that is heavily momentum based, sourced from either the team or from as many melee hits/dodging as much as possible. A zealot can easily get overun if they don't have space to attack. Unlike prior versions of zealot that had bleed crits also give full damage reduction which made them facetank elites and ragers compared to current toughness damage reduction only.
Its also my personal opinion, that Zealot is only as imbalanced as the weapons blessing design make it. I don't think dodge efficiency and rending in its current form should be in some weapons designs particularly knife and dueling sword. Dodge efficiency should at most be an single enemy debuff (like throwing sand in a single targets eyes) and uncanny strike for rending should be reserved for heavy weapons (an armor breaker of sorts), or be tuned down more. Flurry based weapons should be able to quickly kill single unarmored targets, but go with the philosophy of death by a thousand cuts for "larger" enemies.
it still works with guns too. and its not only for 1 attack.
Nah, Psykers need those rending blessings on those highly mobile weapons to have any chance at being effective as melee combatants in higher tier gameplay. They're too squishy to weild cumbersome heavy melee weapons and enemy armor is plentiful on high tier missions.
If anything just restrict Zealots/Vets from using dueling swords, and restrict two-handed weapons like power mauls/heavy swords to Zealot. They're completely out of place with Psykers anyway.
@@Jimoshi1 That got patched out.
Edit: I tested it before and it didn't work anymore, but I wanted to leave the door open to say that there could be a bug where it still works, but in general testing, I haven't found one.
Female zealots in shambles
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Your voice is so good, keeps me entertained and focused on the topic, could you ever break down a game of the highest difficulty? I like the way you break down stuff and a full run broken down to showcase newer players what mindset they need to play at the highest levels
This video got me thinking of new builds to try. Thanks E! :)
So what do you think should be done? A nerf? I know some people wouldn't like that. The class seems OP, but is it so ridiculously OP that it's ruining the game?
Buff the weaker classes, make a harder difficulty
@@MisterEtide The thing is, with that mentality, you will end up like Diablo 3 where there are 20+ "difficulties" and gameplay mechanics stop mattering because of the power creep.
IMO generally speaking, this "Never nerf" mentality that spewed from Helldivers and casuals is absolutely retarded. Darktide is already "easier" in many aspects compared to Vermintide 2 thanks to hybrid ranged-melee combat and waaaaaay more impactfull talets.
Do you know if the toughness boost on the left side of blazing piety refreshs each time you kill something? Also would you still consider the bleed talents on the dueling sword or the eviscerator? I've been trying to get s decent build for the later for ages.
Eh, I don’t care to use the knife.. I like the brain dead eviscerator and the hammer too much
Use combat blade/duelling sword if you like playing in mud and eating sand.
Finally decided to deal with my conputers shirty performance and pkay darktide. The game is so good its worth the shit performance and i immediately picked zealot. This video makes me happy.
If you can find a way to gen frame generation working it's great! Just set the max refresh rate to like 60 or 72 and you'll be happy.
@RiderDecker yea it does help. My pc really doesn't have any business running darktide tho 😂 really need to upgrade but there's talk of a ps5 port finally happening and darktide is really the only game I play on pc atm
I have a i7 7700K and a GTX 980 To and just use optimised settings, game runs 60 to 90 FPS at 1440p
@prich0382 thats dope lol I'm a novice with computers. Know enough to get by and have my fun but thats about it so what I got is what I got and its only doing so much lol don't know shit about overclocking or pushing a rig to get more out of it any of that shit and really not interested enough to learn. Darktide looks like a Xbox 360 game and gets good enough frames on my pc so fuck it ive played worse in my days on this earth 😂
What do you consider the strongest mark/perks/blessings for the combat blade? I'm an eviscerator and hammer (although it's admittedly still pretty weak) enjoyer, but I'd be curious on your knife recommendation.
bleed on crit/crit on dodge/finesse on dodge
Invocation of Death has been nerfed right? What was it before? I remember getting my Ult super fast before, now it's a lot slower
unless you were getting more than 6 crits in a 4 second window, its a big buff
Is there any way to get a Duelling Sword other than buying a base lvl duelling sword at ~300 power from the armory? I've never received any as reward and haven't seen one at Melk's
They are in melk, rewards, and armory
@@MisterEtide Wow ... I guess I need another 60 levels to get one :D
the Zealot is so zealotted, zealotted Zealot. cat girl Zealot, NYA !
zeal-brainr-ot
This is what the pox gas does to people
Need a collab with Aculite!
eh.. vet and psyker are both better, and have better tree placement, its okay to have higher skill cap classes, they dont need to be nerfed.
Not even close
Shroudfield is only good cause the butter knive.
Which I hate
Shroudfield is insanely good on all builds with any weapons.
@@blueboy1958
Nah
Coward behaviour
@@rzu1474 ??
It's a guaranteed double to triple damage crit. Ontop of giving you the same immunity (with stealth) as fof
@@blueboy1958
Tried it in the psycanium, not impressed.
And I'm sure your character doesn't shout like a maniac either
0/10
DRG background music :D
I love the drg bgm lol
Acc. to scorbeboard my psyker beats many Zealots 💁♂️
You called thy wrath be swift useless. Are you aware its description is incorrect and it actually gives you total permanent 100% stun immunity with no conditions? Including ranged damage.
You can slide yknow
@@blueboy1958 You can't slide endlessly. A gunner targeting you will stun you inbetween your slides.
In a previous take i made an exception for that talent, must have forgotten in the one i used. Its a good talent
@@TheGielnik You can get 5 efficient dodges with the knife. With practice you should be able to chain 5 slides together without being stunned.
If you can't get to cover in 5 slides. You're just massively out of position and you need to not do that next time
Guess I'm early today
He is not, stop making clickbait like this, it only will get my favorite class nerfed and i'm sick and tired of games i like becoming less fun because of reddit and youtubers
former helldivers 2 player detected
@@MisterEtide It's not just helldivers, but still true
Zealot is just shroud, ATM, and if it weren't for shroud it'd be the worst class in the game. Book and Fury are fairly laughable compared to other classes ults, and their capstones are also worse. They have two good throwables but only one of them (knives) has nodes you want, and really NEED to take. Blazing Piety isn't needed anymore (except on Recon Lasgun). And we only have one good aura, and even that is less useful the better your teammates are. Vet is also tankier than us.
Right now shroud zealot is the best in the game, but gun psyker is tickling it's feet and Vet is not far behind.
Kindly please delete that vid..like for real man :P I don't want get nerfs
Nah they dont nerf like other devs do. Ill consider deleting the vid if you sub tho 😏
@@MisterEtide I hope so. My first class was a psyker on stuttering game so it was a hard way to learn :P