Ralph Martin Responds to Bishop Barron on the Salvation of Non-Christians
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- Brothers and Sisters, because of the importance of the subject matter we thought we should share a special video message today. Bishop Robert Barron recently gave a sermon that has occasioned a lot of interest and some controversy. Fr. Mark Goring responded to some of what Bishop Barron said, but since part of what he said is an area that I have a deep concern about and also some expertise in, I thought I should offer some friendly comments. I hope you find them useful.
// Ralph Martin
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No one comes to God but through Jesus
I am truly grateful for (and deeply humbled by) Ralph Martin and all like him who so generously share their vast knowledge of the Bible, the teachings of Jesus, the saints, and Catholic Church doctrine.
Thank you Mr. Martin. I love the way you discuss with charity& love. This is the way it must be done if we are going effectively overcome our disagreements. With the light of Jesus Christ through strength & Love. Thank you for your knowledge & inspiration. GOD BLESS!!!
Thank you Father, for an excellent talk. To be fair to Bishop Barron, I haven't heard his sermon yet, but the other aspect that is so often misunderstood is that of 'conscience'. So many people think it is simply a matter of "I think", or worse still, "I feel", in other words simply a subjective judgment of the emotions, whereas in fact -- as I was taught at least -- it is the "moral judgment of the intellect". In other words, it should be an attempt to first of all objectively evaluate the morality of an action and then -- only then -- apply this obective standard to ourselves and our own concrete situation and actions. I would love to hear you talk about this aspect of the problem as well.
Love your simplicity and sincerity. . . just like Christ!
Thank you so much for this excellent response. We appreciate you taking the time and sharing your thoughts.
Thank you for this video! I look forward to reading your book. 🙂
I must admit I never took you seriously until I read your book... Will Many be saved? On another note... thank you for making this video commentary.
I'm Catholic and I was appalled and saddened by some of Bishop Barron's remarks. Jesus is the only way to Heaven. As Christians we can pray for them, that God will bring those other religions closer to him, that they may be brought to Christ. The narrow road is the road to Christ. Only through Christ is there salvation.
"With all due respect"... Now he're someone who actually means that. I honestly sensed absolutely no attack on Bishop Barron. Dr. Martin is simply helping shed more light on what the Bishop said.
Well said indeed.
@@tomgreene2282 I agree.
Excellent teaching. Thank you Dr Ralph Martin for your clarity and charity. 👍🏻
Absolute CLARITY with charity!!!
"Jesus said to him, 'I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.'"
- John 14:6
Well done!! And done so intelligently and respectfully. Only Bishop Barron can speak for Bishop Barron, but it would be my guess that he would agree with almost everything you said. His homily was short. It wasn’t intended is an intensive study of section 16 of Lumen Gentium.
Thank you this more clear. Some times I find Bishop Barron over intellectualizes. This loses me sometimes.
St Michaels prayer in mass
This is exactly what good and proper fraternal correction looks like. If only more in the church did this. We correct and guide and help each other along the way to salvation.
Only thru Jesus we can be saved! It’s black and white !
Aleluia! Thank you, dr. Ralph Martin for your exceptionally upgraded explaination of Fr. Goring's response. Helps soooo much! Peace to you and blessings to all of Renewal Ministries!
You speak with gentleness and charity. Be Blessed!
“What saves us is our response to God’s grace.” Amen, and amen! Blessings to you good people. Keep your eyes on Jesus and guard your hearts. He will make everything clear through the Holy Spirit. Wear your armor everyday against the evil one. Eternal life is real and God wants us with Him, His Son, and the Holy Spirit, Mary, Joseph, and all the saints. Holds these things in your heart like Mary did and all will be well. 💗
Thank you so much for this. I happened to find a Mass offered from St. Martha’s parish in New Jersey, where the priest added this exact topic in his homily. Almost exactly word for word what Bishop Barron said in his message. I’m so glad you responded in what is a very strong way with Charity. Jesus Himself is so clear on this topic. I pray for those who have knowledge of Christ, yet have chosen other religions. It is veiled Universalism - something I experienced specifically in the Episcopal church in the mid nineties. Please keep speaking Truth.
A simple way to say this is that there is an ordinary path to salvation, ie, the sacramental life of the Church, and there are extraordinary paths, all of which are through Christ only. It would be imprudent to count upon the extraordinary, so act as if there is only the ordinary, and leave the extraordinary to the Will, Discretion and Providence of God.
Thanks Ralph ...Excellent clarification...Prayers for unity in the Church and the Salvation of souls 🙏✝️🙏 May God continue to bless Renewal Ministries...♥️
I was once told that Golf is hard. I can attest to the truth to that statement. It pales to the statement that Faith is hard. Nothing good in life is easy. Thank you Ralf Martin for your thoughtful faithful insights.
Thank you Dr. Martin🙏😊 I have a question where scripture says in Luke 9: 49-50. Where the disciples tell Jesus about someone who is not part of their group casting out demons in Jesus’s name. The Lord tells them not to stop him and those who are for us cannot be against us. I’m wondering about our Protestant brothers and sisters. Is this passage possibly a reference to them? I’m a former Protestant. I see many of them representing Christ far better than many of my Catholic brethren.
Thanks to Dr. Martin, Bishop Barron and Fr. Mark! This is a great topic for in depth conversation and it's awesome that we can all engage in the conversation. I think the various nuances that you have each pointed to helps to form the complete picture.
Your insights deepened my understanfing. You fine tuned what Bishop Barron said and i apppreciate it very much. Thank you. My prayers to you and to the great Bishop.
I’m currently reading your book A Church in Crisis. I knew some of what has been going on within the church but you shed light on so much more! Save us oh Lord!!!
No one deceives God
Excellent response! I’m amazed at the strong reactions to BB’s video. I’ve been praying for him actually! 🙏📿✝️. I hope he sees this video.
“Only God knows.” To me, that was the most salient point of this talk, as it was of Bishop Barron’s. We can all get into a bluster over our assessment of the state someone else’s soul, but we’d all do well to remember that despite the treasure we have in the Church’s teachings, they don’t trump God’s will and judgment, which we will not know fully on earth.
Dr. Martin - the difference in your approach and Bishop Barron’s appears to be one of emphasis. It seems to me that between the two of you the Holy Spirit is informing us what we need to know. Without erasing the points you’ve made in this video, I want to add a further consideration.
Your audience (as far as I’m aware) is typically already sympathetic to religion and Catholicism. Much of Bishop Barron’s is as well, but he is also tailored towards the nones. Stressing the desire to save them from damnation can often lead them further away. Why? They are convinced that salvation and damnation (i.e. eternal life) are not real. Therefore damnation seems a threat wielded to coerce certain behavior. Salvation seems as nothing but a selfish activity. So in telling someone who is very suspicious of religion that I want to save your soul from damnation, often the last thing they are hearing you say is I have good news about a God who loves you, is the answer to the deepest passions of your heart, and desires eternal friendship with you.
Avoid hell and damnation altogether? Of course not. You can show it as reasonable (if there is a God and if that God is love, that implies free will, which implies the possibility of eternally rejecting that love) and point to ‘hell’ on earth … akin to Jesus and the woman at the well ... ‘how’s your current road working out for you? You are thirsty again and again aren’t you?’
It seems you both agree on what the Church teaches but you emphasize or are seeking to clarify different aspects of it for different audiences. Am I wrong in observing that Jesus used his more explicit warnings on hell in the context of those who already accept a religious framework, and he generally presented a different emphasis to those more considered outsiders?
Lastly, thank you for the manner in which you've engaged this topic.
Jesus told St. Faustina: “My soul suffered the most dreadful loathing in the Garden of Olives because of lukewarm souls.....for them, the last hope of salvation is to flee to My mercy.”
“I know your works; I know that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either cold or hot. So, because you are lukewarm, neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth.” (Rv 3:15-16)
“Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, then I will enter his house and dine with him, and he with me. I will give the victor the right to sit with me on my throne, as I myself first won the victory and sit with my Father on his throne.” (Rv 3:20-21)
Dr. Martin, would you think most non-believers (if not all) are inculpably ignorant? For example, how many non-believers actually truly know and reject the real Jesus (and not some caricature of Him formed by bad catechesis, or had some other environmental reason to not believe). It seems if all people were 'properly' evangelized, they would come to believe?
P.S. great video. I really appreciate your perspectives and approach. God bless!
Hi, Mr. Martin, I am reading through your book Church in Crisis. I am not a Catholic yet but am member of Presbyterian denomination of Protestant church. My denomination is encountering a crisis in dealing with social justice issues and LGBTQ+ (from Revoice movement) issues. My denomination along with Catholic Church are under an assault from cultural Marxism. I am conservative and concern about corruption of theological terms and the gospel of Jesus Christ.
This was amazing, Thank you. I really appreciate how committed Ralph Martin is to union with the Catholic Church because it seems more and more that you will only hear the truth from Catholics who seem to border on schism, which can be very confusing. I really liked the clarity and charity present in this video.
Mr. Martin, you are right on. You are a man of clarity and one who truly teaches truth. I will be supporting your ministry.
Thank you for this video on a topic that I have wrestled with many times in different phases of my life....(now 71yrs). The Holy Spirit, I believe, is present in a big way throughout your discussion & indeed in many of your presentations I have viewed! God bless you & your work, Mr. Martin
Thank you Ralph Martin.
May God bless you for all your sincere efforts ,to reach out to unknown.
Now that's what the Church actually teaches. Deo gratias!
"The LORD expects people to want to know who He is and to sincerely seek Him"... Thank you Dr Ralph, thank you Jesus for revealing yourself to us, and to being so light, so easy and so available to all who seek!
Ralph, I agree with you actually completely and anti-climatically, but universal salvation is so pandemic in our local RC churches that my traditional faith makes me like a fish out of water and among a scarce few who still somehow are surviving the drift away from tradition. I'm rather fatigued with having prayed for decades for the clergy to renew tradition and zeal or moral truth to the point of being resigned that it must be God's will to allow the moral indifference among the clergy and laity.
Thanks Dr.Martin for speaking with love and adding clarity to this important question. The door to salvation is narrow and Hell exists. Jesus is the only savior for the mankind. He is the truth way and life. Praise the Lord Alleluia Alleluia He is risen.
Father Mark Goring's response to Bishop Robert Barron makes a lot of sense do not change Jesus teaching either you are with Jesus or not .. there is no such thing as half salvation we need to pray ,pray for our church the devil is moving and causing division
Thank you for this clarification. I love Bishop Barron but no one is perfect. You have provided both gentle and charitable correction done with true charity.
Our consciences need to be formed and informed by the Gospel
Very well explained, thank you Dr. Martin!
Thank you, once again. Dr. Martin, for your wonderful clarity on this issue. I wish I'd had this knowledge during my high school teaching days on the subject. Thankfully, I can still use it in my diocesan and parish RCIA work. The only question the kids ever wanted answered was "Do I have to be Catholic to be saved?" The instant you say, "No, but..." you can palpably feel all the light bulbs shut off in their heads. In their minds, all they hear is "I don't need to be Catholic to be saved." Your explanation here really re-kindles the reality of the urgency of being Catholic---which, of course, is ultimately about our relationship with Our Lord (and all that goes with it). Your answers in this careful and fully thought out teaching here gives us the important baseline to turn the light switches back on from "No, but..." to "If you think you're going to be saved without being Catholic, good luck with that. Now, let me tell you why." The three conditions and three final sentences you point out in LG no, 16 really hammer it home. I especially love your line, "We aren't working through salvation in a neutral environment," and in fact, as you state so well, not only is it not spiritually neutral, is a spiritually hostile environment at the center of which is our egotistical self in which we perceive ourselves as God (i.e., the most violated sin is the first commandment) enhanced by the radical effects of Original Sin. "Wide and easy is the road that leads to destruction and MANY there are who are following it. Narrow the path and difficult the way that leads to salvation and FEW there are who find it." "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, NO ONE comes to the FATHER but through me," not through Buddha, not through self-contemplation, not through the universal brother and sisterhood of believers or any false religion, but through Christ.
Thank you Ralph Martin for sharing your wisdom and deep reflections on salvation amidst the confusion and crisis that we are living through. Helps us to own more and more our responsibility to propose and share Jesus to others with love but with more boldness in the Holy Spirit.
Thank you Dr. Ralph Martin. Your clarity is soooo needed. You have explained the issue.
I’m so glad I came across your channel.
We can talk about these issues till the cows come home but on a practical level, Lumen Gentium Section 17 says, "All disciples of Christ are obliged to spread the faith to the best of their ability." 'Obliged'. it's not optional.
It’s knowing how to sift out the 20% of what Bishop Barron says or writes is the problem.
I keep it simple. I don’t pay any attention to anything he says or writes.
ST. POPE JOHN PAUL II: “The universality of salvation means that it is granted not only to those who explicitly believe in Christ and have entered the church. Since salvation is offered to all, it must be made concretely available to all. But it is clear that today, as in the past, many people do not have an opportunity to come to know or accept the Gospel revelation or enter the Church. The social and cultural conditions in which they live do not permit this, and frequently they have been brought up in other religious traditions. For such people salvation in Christ is accessible by virtue of a grace, which, while having a mysterious relationship to the Church, does not make them formally part of the Church but enlightens them in a way which is accommodated to their spiritual and material situation. This grace comes from Christ; it is the result of his Sacrifice and is communicated by the Holy Spirit. It enables each person to attain salvation through his or her free cooperation.”
Thank you for your clarity & wisdom, Ralph Martin. God bless & keep you. Please pray for your viewers; we are struggling - with ourselves, our spouses, our children, grandchildren, & even our own siblings in some cases.
Jesus warned us about our human nature, we don't like the light, we want the darkness because we love pleasures of the world, sin of the flesh. He warned us and Our Bishops should be warning us if they love us
We are Blessed to have you and Fr. Goring she’d light on the salvation of souls. God Bless You
1 Thessalonians 4 King James Version (KJV)
4 Furthermore then we beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, so ye would abound more and more.
2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.
3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:
4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;
5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:
6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.
7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.
8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.
9 But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.
10 And indeed ye do it toward all the brethren which are in all Macedonia: but we beseech you, brethren, that ye increase more and more;
How wonderfull to know that Catholic Church has a ministriy like yours to open the eyes of people to see their need to seek the Lord and His word much more each day for our salvation. God continue to bless you dear brother and also Peter Herbeck. Most Catholics don’t even realize this vital need to seek Our Lord and his word each day. XO. Annie Frankle
Thanks Ralph for clearly explaining this area.
Wow, do mean to say that the son of God was sacrificed as a final sacrifice on Calvary for sinners to have the opportunity to repent onto believe and be saved
And now there is another way to be saved?
My dear Lord, without the Lord, no one will be saved
And the blood of the lost will be on the believers whom didn’t spent their lives praying, fasting for souls and evangelizing
The Lord forgive me and guide me in his will
In Jesus name Amen
Beautiful explanation. I loved Bishop Barron's sermon. It is just an easily distorted topic (specially if done in so little time) for jumpy us. So thank you for the clarification!
That makes sense. Jesus let Thomas touch his wounds to be sure. Maybe He also will show the same mercy to our brothers and sisters of good will, but through no fault of their own we’re not evangelized to Christ the Jew.
Very cool video. It is an illustration of how the "development of doctrine" or the teaching of the deposit of faith ought to work: one proposes a response to a question; another says "yes, but wait what about this?"; a third clarifies, corrects, admonishes and praises all involved for desiring to do God's will with thier own good will. All benefit from the exchange.
There is no salvation outside the Roman Catholic Church.
Any teaching that implies that we can back off from preaching the Gospel doesn't line up with Christ’s own words.
Thank you for this clarification, Ralph.
Excellent, of course, Ralph! I would encourage everyone to read the books that Ralph mentions. He discusses the word "saepius," which Austin Flannery translates as "very often" at some length in _Will Many Be Saved_. I think, however, he doesn't go far enough. I'm not the world's greatest Latinist (far from it) but I thought that "saepius" meant "more often," meaning that those who do not explicitly accept Christ are lost more often than they are saved, not simply "very often." That would also agree better with Jesus' own words about the broad and narrow ways.
I had my doubt about Barron so I went to Lumen Gentium. I saw that he further liberalized it. But, I continue to read and listen on the subject. Thank you for this video.
Dr. Martin: thank-you for this additional clarification. Also, would you speak to the question: is everyone in the world a 'child of God', or are only those who have received baptism to be called children of God?
I will address this issue in the coming weeks. Important.
This is really nice thank you. Im a follower of Bishop Barron. I appreciate his TH-cam videos. However, I also appreciate how you have brought certain issues to light in a respectful manner. Thank you Sir.
Wonderful explanations, great clarity! Thank you for your teaching on the truth of Christ! I also love watching Fr. Mark's daily teachings. So blessed to keep learning in the faith 🙏
Yor book was excellent, and I never get tired of hearing this message. Thanks for your ministry, Ralph.
Awesome explanation and breakdown into the section from Lumen Gentium 16! Thank you and God Bless Dr. Martin!
I agree with Ralph Martin's interpretation. The scriptures àre very clear that the way of salvation is through Jesus Christ alone! It's cut and dry! That's the free will that God gave us. Either you're for Christ or not. It's cut and dry. You're not gonna please everyone. There are people in this world that want to justify their actions in accepting Christ or not!
53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day John 6
Thank you so much for responding to this! You are either saved (have salvation) or you don’t. There is no “fullness of salvation”.
Thank you Ralph for your clarification on this point. This is a timely message presented in a respectful way.
Feels like our parents are fighting and we have to take sides
Satan comes to divide, the Holy Spirit comes to unite. Dr. Martin the Holy Spirit is in you to bring unity and crush the deceiver.
You are SO right, and I was tought that by the Nuns when I went to elementary school. I am 70 years old and I thank God I was born and raised Catholic!
God bless you 🙏💒🌈🌄
Thank you Ralph. The Lord heard our concern 🙏🏻❤️
Jesus is the only way plain n simple catholic truth.
I LIKE THIS GUY. HE IS GENUINE.
WHY AM I JUST HEARING ABOUT YOU?!
Thanks so much for your clarity. We need clarity. If we want to be an Olympic athlete...we have to strive to be the best and follow the rules of the sport. Or we won’t make it. I want to be an Olympian of my Catholic faith. I want to see what no eye has seen or hear what no ear has heard. I want to be with our Lord in heaven.
It is so true of what you said. Under the constant attack by the devils and our tendency to sin, our conscience shouldn’t be trusted. We need explicit help from the faithful like Bishop Robert Barron, you and others.Thank you so much for your sharing. God Blessed !
i find the interpretation of scripture today waters down or ignores the many warnings Jesus gave to his disciples ..
kids in school make scripture into their own image especially with the rational of the flavor of the day such as the gender ideology as if it is a revelation from God, and i find very few of the hierarchy correcting misrepresentation of scripture for ones own purposes and agenda as if they try to sell a message and an ideology...
THANK YOU Ralph Martin! You have enlightened me! God bless you, and His Holy Spirit continue to be your Light & Wisdom.
3 Hail Marys for you Professor 🌹🌹🌹🙏🏻📿
Is universalism a heresy?
You stir up hope in me, Ralph Martin. I enjoyed this video.
Thank you, Dr. Martin, for explaining this issue with clarity and faithfulness to the teachings of the Church, citing the Second Vatican Council. It is very nice to hear this explained by someone who doesn't reject the Council, but also who doesn't ignore the teaching of Christ on the narrow way. May God graciously reward you for your precise and kind explanation of what the Church teaches on this issue, I was aided immensely by this. I will be sharing this with Catholic friends that I have been discussing this issue with.
The lies of the devil- how true. So many people are deceived - I worry so much about the little ones of our world- learning the lies about same sex marriage, transgender, my body my choice😢😢😢😢😢😢you are correct Ralph; we must fast, pray and spread The gospel
I loved Bishop Barron's sermon. Thank you for further clarifying Dr Martin. Especially in a very concise, clear, and respectful way. May God bless you and Bishop Barron's ministries. Thanks for all you do.
Thank you for this! I took a lot of flack when I shared Fr. Goring's video as it was seen as an attack of Bishop Barron. I need to read more of your work as I have been trying to understand what went wrong with regard to Vatican II.
God bless you and thanks again for this very helpful video! You are living proof that a difference of opinion can be dealt with in a decent, loving way!
44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. John 6
The sincere smile of this guy whenever he’s about to introduce a new bit of information is a testament to his knowledge, passion, and expertise on said subject matter. Love this guy!
Thank you for your comments. Souls are at risk. On these difficult topics, we are doing a disservice to all humanity if we are not clear of what the Church teaches. I love listening to Bishop Barron's sermons and I agree with your concern about people misinterpreting what he said. The Gospels are clear that not all will go to Heaven.... and Hell is real. There is no sugar coating this reality. Thank you for adding clarity to the sermon . God bless.
Beautifully and thoroughly handled. As a Bishop Barron fan I had to admire his desire for God's greater mercy to be at work, even as I squirmed with his addition of "fullness" to salvation. But your respectful response and more studied analysis of the whole of Lumen Gentium 16 clearly lays out the seemingly impossible possibility of salvation without explicit belief in Christ, and thus the urgent call of all of us to speak truth in love to every neighbor. And, by doing so, we answer what Lumen Gentium says in the following paragraph (17): "Through her (re: The Church) work, whatever good is in the minds and hearts of men, whatever good lies latent in the religious practices and cultures of diverse peoples, is not only saved from destruction but is also cleansed, raised up and perfected unto the glory of God..."
Many thanks Ralph Martin, as others have said for adding clarification to Bishop Barron's talk as well as the follow-up by Fr. Mark Goring. This extra clarification is very helpful.
Thank you Dr. Ralph Martin for your clarity and explanation of what the Church teaches.