Rogers LS7 Maybe the cheapest way into the British monitor sound.?
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- Here I review the Rogers LS7 speakers (200watts)1989
And compare and contrast with Bowers and Wilkins DM 4s
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Thanks from across the pond! Love how you impart a human feel to your reviews. Keep it going. Good fun and informative.
Hi,
Rogers LS7’s have Celestion HF1001 silk soft dome, that’s why yours didn’t sound titanium.
It’s the Rogers LS7t with the metal dome tweeters..
I have a pair of LS7’s coming to compare with Spendor SP2/2’s.
Cheers for the videos 👍
Hi Kelvin. Always look forward to my weekend dose of Stereo Review X. Keep up the fantastic work!
Well said. Me too :-)
Hi Kelvin, love your reviews. I have to comment on this one.
I have a pair of Rogers Ls5 speakers. I bought these new back in 1983/4. I always thought they were better than the Ls7. I still run these speakers. Every time i play them they make me smile and never tire of listening to them. I believe these are the most understated speaker to be manufactured.
So pleased to see a review of LS7s the speakers I have been enjoying for a few years. I switch between these and a pair of old A&R 6s which are equally good. In fact A&Rs offer great vintage value the equal of modern day IMHO and would make a great review. Thanks Kelvin and please keep the videos coming.
Another top review very good how you try and explain how the sound comes across.totally agree with price ebay has its favourites that bring higher prices but good news for those who do research and pick lesser known makers
I recently sourced a set of LS7s and they are everything you say about them. I absolutely love them. Clear and detailed - a very beguiling sound, indeed.
Yes I think we can use the phrase under the radar here
Funny thing is the LS2A which is a small Rogers from the same period is really not any good
I recently auditioned and bought Rogers LS33 bookshelf speakers, I had similar experience as you described. These British make does not wow you in the first sight, you have to be patient and listen to it for a while. Once you given enough time to understand then you know what to expect from these. Initially I moved on to another brand but after listening it again for a long period I started loving these. Like you said it sounded Big, clean & neutral.
I have loved my LS7s for many years now. The coils have been redone, and paired with my Onix OA21S, I'm in heaven. Thanks for the review!
Oh that Onix amp has a very good MM phono stage. Far better than the ubiquitous Naim nait at that time. I can only imagine how good it sounds with the LS7s.
Got myself a pair of these for 200 quid after watching your video Kelvin. Chuffed with the sound - big, full and clear. Great value for such a great pair of speakers
Great review love the Rogers ..I have a pair of Yamaha NS-100 witch i run with a Harman Kardon HK6100 and they sound great
Warm lushes sound. I had both during my intro years into Hi Fi.
Read somewhere that that the materials used in the cabinet and the design was an integral part of that Rogers Bristish sound. Warm and lushes velvety but lacking attack, dynamic range and excitement.
Kelvin I picked up a Sansui au 717. You said the 317 was good so I wanted to try Sansui out. Thanks for the reviews
Picked up a pair of LS7's recently in very good condition for the age the cabinet needed a little bit of love but I have to say they sound beautiful very pleased with them, my newer b&w have gone into storage.
The Ls7 sound flabby compared to the Ls5
Bought ls7 mk1 month ago in very good condition for 400 usd, just to try it in cabinet system. Was totally blown away coupling it with serviced arcam delta 290 and naim nd5 xs 2. The came with somth solid xf 24 inch stands. After adding two rel q150 mk2 it became my main system for now. Greetings from Kyiv!:)
Great review. I have a pair of LS7's and really enjoy them. I changed the electrolytic caps in them for proper replacements ordered from Falcon Acoustics in the UK - highly recommend
Hi Daniel, what parts would you recommend upgrading (from Falcon)
The DM4s have an unusual clarity and transparency that few speakers achieve. They are clinically revealing so a clean from end is required then they will reward with impressive levels of musical detail.
To right
I am looking, researching, saving, for a pair of Rogers Ls7t! I own a pair of Epos Epic 2 speakers, and I'm digging the hell out of the British vintage speaker sound!
Brilliant information thanks so much for your
Excellent u tube channel.
Kelvin, I know most of your videos are about specific gear, but I would love to see a video about your thoughts on 2-way versus 3-way (or more) speakers, and the virtues vs. the drawbacks of separating the frequency range duties among more or fewer drivers. I love the channel! Thank you.
He actually did a video about that th-cam.com/video/Z0PdWmXeQ5k/w-d-xo.html
@@D1N02 oh my gosh - and I even watched that video. dang. I drink too much beer when commenting on TH-cam videos. Thank you D1N02! It's like a wish granted instantly!
The way the Rodgers sound is described, it sounds EXACTLY how I would describe my Celestion 7 mark II speakers.
Interesting review Kelvin. I got a pair of DM4s recently based on your recommendation and love them because of the midrange. I'm experimenting with rubber bungs in the ports which tightens up the bass
I also just purchased these and wait there arrival...i'm going to do any tweeks I can...Calvin explained in one of his videos to unscrew the bass driver and rotate 180 degrees and be sure to snug up the screws...now I here you talking about the rubber driver surround replacement?...what is all this about and how would i get the parts and perform?...the ones i purchased don't have the white rubber surrounds, they are black...the model is dm4 pro40 with black surrounds...any advice is appreciated...by the way...I really like good midrange with touch of bass and good highs...don't care for the ribbon or soft dome tweeters as the are boring to me...I sold my rel subs and hope i'm satisfied with just a touch of bass...
@@briancampbell7712 I'm not sure how the Pro40 versions differ sonically from the stock dm4s so my observations might not be valid in your case. The rubber bungs I made were for the small open port holes under the mid/bass cone - not the surrounds. It does affect the tightness of the bass but maybe not as much as speaker placement/height and a set of good filled stands. I listen mainly to jazz and acoustic/vocal music and love how these speakers reproduce the sound.
@@normanswift5048 seems like people really like this old speaker...i'm looking forward...what are rubber bungs?...and did you have to replace anyrhing on yours like driver foam surrounds?
@@briancampbell7712 I made the bungs out of some spare rubber but you can buy them online for not a lot. They restrict airflow out of the cabinet which reduces the volume of bass but makes it tighter/cleaner - not to everyone's taste but worth experimenting with. The driver surrounds had been replaced before I bought the speakers and are in very good condition so apart from turning and tightening the cones (as you described) they were good to go.
Great work Kelvin. This video clip is the most convincing stereo recording from TH-cam. I send the voice of this video thru a Bluetooth device into my amplifier and listening to your voice by a pair of Audiomaster LS3/5a. The soundstage and stereo images is spot on. Your voice and the tapping on the loudspeaker are so real. It’s like you are in my room. 😅. I wonder if you are going to win a best TH-cam recording contest. Lol 😂
Now I’m not sure are you entirely serious here I do recall this all on an iPhone 11 BTW
@@stereoreviewx I noticed this video sounds different from your other TH-cam videos because it has more sibilant. I decided to watch and listen it from my stereo system. The amplifier is a NAD3020 and the speakers are ls3/5a BBC monitor. I used my iPhone X and send it to Esinkin BT adapter. I was surprised to hear such great stereo images. Your talks and walked around the table and behind the speakers. And the sounds when you tap on the speaker and remove the screen from B&W DM4 are all recorded clearly and precisely . I thought you had a sophisticated microphone setup for this video. I suggest you go listen and watch your own work again using your own ls3/5a BBC monitor. Compared to your other videos clips. You should noticed the other sounds like mono recording and this one sounds like stereo. Just use your iPhone 11 as playback source and whatever Bluetooth device you have into your preamplifier. Being audiophile like us. You should be able to hear what I heard. 😃
I think the LS7T had the metal dome tweeter. The standard LS7 has an Audax soft dome.
Mk1 LS7 has a Celestion 1001 tweeter
Another great video Kelvin. I've had the Roger's LS3/6 and LS6a speakers and loved both of them. Nothing offensive about them and I could listen to them for hours. I think Roger's speakers in general are good. Well designed and well voiced. Always even better with a good Subwoofer. Top work again. 😀
Yes curious point though the LS2A which looks of a similar family really doesn’t sound good they really didn’t try with that one it’s a little speaker
Thanks K
Yeah the LS2a had a much smaller woofer. I think the tweeter was the same. Interestingly the crossover is quite similar. I'm currently trying to get a pair of LS2a just to refurbish them and have a listen. Just sold my 6a and miss them already 😪
I had a nice pair of LS7's - now still at my ex-wife's. No edginess to the top end. Good detail, very balanced. Really great speakers. Deserves a good amplifier and source chain.
Nice review, all the best, Rob
Dunno if you guys gives a damn but if you guys are bored like me during the covid times then you can stream all of the new series on InstaFlixxer. I've been streaming with my brother lately =)
@Anders Kristian definitely, I have been watching on instaflixxer for months myself :)
Also ready to bury the ex in them.
Thanks for a very good review. I have a pair of LS7s that I bought in 1988. They still sound superb 30+ years later. Your description of their "neutral" sound is exactly right. You are also right that they can get a bit "shouty" (perfect word) when played loud in the treble range. However, my experience is that is worse with CDs than LPs and is also at a "bother your neighbours" level of volume. It can be ameliorated by adjusting the treble response down a bit. I am mostly a classical listener and I seek a "realistic" sound - I want the strings to sound like they do in Carnegie Hall. The LS7s deliver that. Also just wonderful for solo piano music (think Debussy Preludes). In popular repertory they are perfectly fine (Wichita Lineman as remastered on CD sounds unbelievable!!) but these are not JBL style "spectacular" speakers if you know what I mean. If you want the "BBC Studio Monitor" sound and are the kind of listener I am you are going to be very happy if you can get a good pair of these. I would happily pay up to $800 for a pair if I were you. I also listen to a lot of organ repertoire and these speakers deliver the sound you hear in the Cathedral without ridiculous bone-shaking sub-woofer type sound which - guess what - isn't realistic and isn't what you hear live...........my other equipment is high end SONY CD player and SONY DAT all driven by NAD 7275PE amp.
Thanks for the Feedback my friend yes the digital CD get more harsh than the analog vinyl at volume
Own such a pair for couple of years. Decided to service the crossover. Asked Matt from Haycross Audio for some advice, resulting in resistors replacement for some mox mundorf, alcaps like for like and 4,7 polys for red jantzens. No shoutinnes anymore, richer and tighter bass, clearer highs. Night and day overall. Worth trying. All best.
I purchased the Rogers Studio 1 back in 1984. It had the typical British neutral sound. Rated at 300 watts continuous.
I owned the studio 1 too. Inherently smooth, musical & satisfying if not the most transparent or detailed. That understated british bbc sound is far more enticing than anything at that time.
Thank you for your great revews.
Which 70s 80s 90s british speakers are the sweetest sounding and what modern speakers in the 2500£ pricerange are coming close ?
Thank you
Hi Kelvin great video again thank you.
Them LS7 look based on the older studio 1A , 2 way ported.
The sound like a great speaker that I wasn't aware of, as im looking to get more speakers .
I have the JBL L96s in strong mind and also the Roger's studio 1, which I'm watching on Ebay, have been for ages. Now you video these, very interesting.
Going to look at a pair of AR3As soon . Have you had any experience with these ?
I think I'm gonna have lots of speakers and no room , I could blame you,.
Love your videos and your hifi enthusiasm definitely catching, always smiling watching your videos , lots of great interesting info and from the comments below
Many thankyouz
Stu
Still listening to my LS7's bought in the eighties I think and love them. I thought the LS7T had the titanium tweeter though.
Got a pair of LS7t's off eBay for £260 Inc postage because of this review. Wow! Blow my Elac Uni-fi ub52's away, and even better than some Proac studio 150's I have - and they are fabulous speakers from 1997. Thanks for this review, Kelvin, now I know what real monitors sound like.
Yes that’s great to hear
@@stereoreviewx Last week I got a new amp to go with them - a Leak Delta 70, same Leak that you reviewed, but with a different front panel. Sounded great for a couple of days, detailed with great bass, till one channel packed in. Luckily I can sort of fix hi-fi gear, was just a resistor needed re soldering. Amazing that an amp from the mid 70's can compete with modern gear, very musical without the dry analytical sound of new stuff. Yet another fine recommendation from your channel!
Hi Kelvin, can also tell you something about the Infinity's Qb with its Emit tweeter?
Hi all from OZ , I found a pair of nice condition LS7 speakers and they sound wonderful with my NAD 3020a and technics 1200 mk2, It is the budget system I put together recently. I also have a Yamaha RXV 1070 amp I sometimes swap over for fun also a good quality thing imho …….
Nice gear
Have the LS7t version with the Titanium tweeter (hence the t) and apart from a bit of harshness from the new tweeter that's a spot on review. There's nothing standout about the sound but it oozes class.
Hi Kelvin, I am a big fan of your videos. what do you know about the Rogers p22, is the sound comparable to the ls7? regards patrick
I still love my Rogers Studio 1’s in use on my Quad based system from new in the 1980’s. Believe the old lead solder and greater care in assembly helps give these 40+ years old speakers a pleasing sound quality that makes one want to keep on listening!
What about the B&W DM22’s.
ever done a review on a set of kef carlton II 's(no ferro fluid in these T33 tweeters dont worry) am curious on what you wuold think soft and loud theyre great!
Nice review again, Kevin ! The Kef reference 101 did you meet in your musical life ? Keep going !
Not yet
I just picked up a pair of DM10’s. Which are better?
My dad had a pair of LS7's and for the money were excellent. The expression, more bass, perhaps should read better extended bass
Dad eventually swapped them in for Mission 753's. 😉
Thanks. I can see that there is a Rogers Ls6 and Ls6/2 for sale at good price. Would you know how they compare to Ls7? Similatytied and differences?
Hello from Greece. Rogers LS7 Τ with sansui 771 .Is it well set up in your opinion;Thank you.
Love all these BBC inspired speakers. Always find that there’s a certain charm about bextrene cones even though theoretically they are not ideal cones being a tad heavy. Try to get a pair of Harbeth HL-mk4 or earlier models. Heard the mk4 in 1986 & was very impressed. They used a then brand new cone material called TPX pioneered by Audax from france. This TPX cone works better than all previous poly or bextrene cones being more transparent, detailed & more dynamic.
wow that sounds nice!...have not heard of the Harbeth Mk4...maybe that is the one Alan Shaw has such an admiration for and one of his favorites since I believe that was one of his first designs? guess it's better than the m30 and shl5 plus ?
@@briancampbell7712 the Harbeth mk4 was the last model designed by Harbeth’s founder Dudley Harwood before selling the company to current owner Alan Shaw. After Alan took over, he designed the HL-Compact & subsequent HL-5. Both use the TPX cone material and at that time, TPX was considered revolutionary compared to polypropylene & the earlier bextrene. However, in somewhere 1994 or 95 thereabouts, Alan Shaw came up with an even better cone material called Radial. Radial was first used on the then brand new HL-Compact 7 & subsequently SHL-5. Then came the monitor series. Today, radial is still used on all Harbeth speakers. So is radial better than TPX? To me, yes & no. Just like TPX was more transparent & detailed than bextrene, Radial however was even more detailed than TPX. However, there’s a certain charm about TPX just like there is also a certain charm about bextrene that is hard to describe. Today, even if u manage to get a pair of Mk4s, they may not be performing up to original spec, being so old & all the components in the crossover may have degraded due to age.
Good on yer Kel
It’s a soft dome. The T model is the titanium and the rating is 100 watts r.m.s
Mega OT. Who is the typical audiophile. 1. Mostly male. 2. Mostly middle age or aged. 3.His musical interest goes beyond one genre. 4. Insatiable curiosity about hi fi components. 5.His best speaker his the next one. 6 Dedicates at least one hour of pure musical listening daily. 7.He's happy with background music while doing other things. 9. While watching movies pays a lot of attention to the sound effects and considers a real torture having no other option but incorporated TV speakers. 10. His audiophile's best friend rig sounds better even though it is cheaper then his. Did I forget anything. Open for suggestions
Or 11° do these amplifiers go to 11
No seriously I’d say four and five are the answer
Cheers Kids
benjamin, so funny and kinda true. Personally, I dislike the word "audiophile" as it conjures up images of wealthy, snooty, pompous asses. I would consider myself ( and most hifi folks) to be "enthusiasts". Or at least serious listeners. I like your number 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7. That describes me. Nicely stated.
I don’t know which is worse - a forward facing port or rear. Either way, bass is affected by phase issues that cause bloat. I think the better solution is damped front transmission line like the Elac Reference, but they are all compromised. I would prefer acoustic suspension or open baffle/dipole.
Great video though. Love your take on hifi things
I prefer a forward port as per DM4 rather than a rear port due to being restrictive in terms of room placement.
I also got B&W's DM2 which is transmission line design so much better smooth lower end however rather large and limited in volume. I wonder how they would stack up against more modern TL designs or speakers from the IMF TLS range from the same era.
I think K likey the Rogers LS3/5A
hello Calvin! what can you say about Leak Sandwich 300? Or generally about Leak speakers? thank you
Listening to your review of B&W DM4s on my... B&W DM4s. Lol. In England used LS7s may be "cheap" but elsewhere like Canada they fetch quite high prices. In fact anything with the Rogers name on it sells high.
Okay interesting
I have a pair. The tweeter is the HF? 1001 SOFT Dome
Really enjoy your reviews Kelvin Just discoverd your channel I ,ve had the LS7,s for over 20 years pleased with them but wondering if a Mondern speaker like Spendor 2/3 series or Harbeth Super SL5 would be a noticable improvement . Would ir be worth the considerable investment im wondering m Cheers keep up the great reviews Edmund .
Well my instinct is there not going to be far apart kind of depends on your relationship with money but I wouldn’t say go for it you won’t regret it because you might
So many modern speakers are disappointing
@@stereoreviewx Thanks for reply Kelvin, that more or less what i was thinking ,prahaps a marginal improvement for a considerable outlay financially . I think the Spendor Classic 2/3 would be the nearestest to the Rogers . The LS7,s are really excellent speakers for there age . Mine are 1992 ,bought them new . Will keep my options under review . A service or general check over could well benefit my Rogers i think . Anyway keep up the review,s most interesting . Don,t you tend to largely focus on older gear . I hav,nt seen you review the Spendor 2/3 or the Harbeth,s unless i ,ve missed then .All the best for now Edmund
Hi Kelvin. Thinking of buying some Spendor BC 1 to replace my B&W 601 S2. I want a roomier more natural sound as I mostly listen to jazz and some classic rock. Do you think they are worth double the price these LS 7's go for? Loving your channel btw, great content thankyou.
Yes okay well this is a tricky call
I would say bc 1 Are definitely better particularly if you have a decent size room if the room is small that might be different the BC1 Has got a bit of magic about it though if you can afford it
@@stereoreviewx Hi Kelvin, thanks for the reply. The space is about 3 by 3.5 metres so not massive. There's a guy near me who sells recon BC 1's with 12 month warranty for £800. This seems to be 50% more than eBay but you know what you are getting. Will be using them with an old Roksan Xerxes and a new Rega Brio. Think I should go for it?
hello. Maybe you could do a review of german "canton gle 70" acoustics.
Neutral is good. Some speakers call attention to themselves with boomy bass and sizzling highs. Flashy and cool to the novice but not satisfying long term to a trained ear. Brit speakers do have a more "studio monitor" style. Focused and bass to around 40Hz. Most American systems favor wide dispersion and a big stereo image. We've talked of this before. It's hard to find some Euro speakers here in the states. As some gringo brands i.e. EPI, Ohm, Genesis, Allison, Polk, E/V and Acoustic Research are harder for you guys "overseas" to acquire. That makes your videos so interesting. Would love to see some vintage Brit/American speaker comparisons. Another swell video, you got style mate.
Yes agree with your thoughts on this K
Brit speakers are very understated & that’s what i love about them. They usually have a smooth & beguiling sound that invites the listener into the music. Like what Kevin mentioned, they don’t wow you at first but once it gets under your skin, there’s no turning back. I was introduced to the british sound in early 80s & far preferred the british sound more than the american sound from AR, JBL, Klipsch & Altec. The americans at that time also agreed that the british sound is about quality whereas the ameican sound is about quantity. Take your pick.
@@ganck1147- Understated, is a hallmark of neutral speakers. Strong bass only when it's present in the source material. During the mid to late 1970's stateside speaker companies were divided into two camps, East Coast and West Coast (aka Rock Speakers) sound. Brands you mention; JBL, Klipsch, Altec and even Cerwin Vega opted for that style sound and weren't as accurate. Forward, prominent (hyped up) mids and rolled off bass below 40Hz (or so). East Coast brands favored neutral, balanced sound with a solid foundation. No listener fatigue here. Mid 70's Japanese speakers had horrible response curves. I've listened to late 70's speakers from Celestion-Ditton, Warfdales and KEF all sounded quite good. Nestorovic too. Not quite correct stating that American speakers (and ears) were about quantity only. Maybe you ain't heard too many Yankee loudspeakers?? Quantity yes, but accuracy too. I got serious in hifi gear after military service in 1974. NYC had plenty of really great audio shops in those days.
@@martyjewell5683 oh yes i heard plenty american spks. Popular ones like magico & wilson are two good examples of quantity sound. They have stupendous dynamics, bass, larger than life soundstage but when when comes to tonal accuracy, emotional fidelity & absolute musicality these often cannot compare to british counterparts. As i mentioned elsewhere here, a friend of mine used to own spendor S100 & Wilson watt/puppy but far prefer to listen to the spendor S100 when playing classical music & vocals. He likens the spendor aa a spk to get fully involved emotionally & musically into the music whereas the Wilson is good for playing test tracks to impress friends .
I like speakers that add excitement, 😂 I don't care about accuracy, if my ears are excited thats all I need, sealed box with nice woofers, clear mids and bright tweeters, the rest is just about wether I love the song that's playing or not, that's the bigger factor
I recently found a pair of Rogers pm510 for 150 u.s. I’m having a hard time finding much info. These things are huge, one of the binding posts are broke so I can’t test them out yet. In your opinion are they worth putting some money into them? ( the tweeters look a little iffy too). Thanks
Yes I found them on Google no problem they look wicked I’ve got them even if the tweezers were broken and get new tweezers
The DM4 are worth around €175 a set in good condition. Get a pair of monitor audio studio 2 SE’s.
can never understand the fad speaker companies went through in the 80's with transluscent bass drivers, always thought they looked cheap and ugly. music fidelity and mission were guilty of it too.
Yes .. look so cheap
Those are the polypropylene cones & were very popular during the 80s. They were invented by Harbeth’s founder Dudley Harwood who conducted tonnes of research into loudspeaker cone materials. Polypropylene sounded less colored in the midrange compared to paper.
Exposed to UV mine crumbled to dust.
out of curiosity do you ever worry about replacing capacitors in crossovers?
They do deteriorate and often companies use cheap electrolytic's these can be replaced and upgraded and make quite a difference.
LS6s or 5 or 5 which is warmer
Proof that the neutral side of the British Sound is not exactly cheap- even on the second hand market.🤔
These are cheap at about £300
how will the ls7 compare with its smaller more famous bro the ls35a
I have some DM2’s. Would you happen to know the sound difference between DM2 and DM4?
Well put simply DM twos have more bass which also means DM force are more pronounced mid range that’s my understanding
Hello Kelivin. No chance you could do an overview of a particular brand - 70's Kefs or Monitor Audios or whatever? Or a top ten under £500. Just so I know more than one decent speaker I can afford instead of wasting my life trying to find MA4's that aren't out there.
Yes that is a good idea I think I will certainly try thanks K
i was hoping you would have liked the DM4 better...i just purchased them but could cancel and get the Rogers LS7...or perhaps Harbeth HL-mk4...what one is best...I am looking for a vintage full body speaker to satisfy me without having a subwoofer on my 2 channel system...I don't want to really pay all the money for a Spendor Classic 100...medium sized room...?
Both of these speakers are class acts I wouldn’t get the harbeth
@@stereoreviewx I ended up buying a pair of vintage B&W DM4 and Spender S100
@@briancampbell7712 I am huge fan of dm4. You can Hardly go wrong
@@stereoreviewx
Yeah...DM4 is very good...relaxing musical...I also like my Spendor S100, a larger speaker...also using a vintage Yahmaha M2 amplifier...very nice too...Love your lava lamp too!...Afraid to buy the Sansui AU999...maybe it would be pushing my luck with more vintage gear...lol...I'm afraid of somthing breaking...I did the rotation of all the speakers and used detoxit on connections...
I just picked a pair B&W dm2a transmissionline for €100,00
I compared this Roger’s LS7 with B&w 805N and I can say I was a little disappointed. They were clear and natural sounding, however 805N were even better with more open soundstage and imagine. Also 804N had better bass. It is not perhaps a fair comparison, but I think that perhaps someone would like a such comparison.
all comparisons are knowledge
Hi, friend. What does ls66 sound like? Much worse than ls7?
I don't want speakers that I can play to my mother, I want speakers that could raise my grandmother.
I’ve got some speakers that can raise Hell but they have to be exactly 6.66 feet apart
what do you like better- DM4 , Rogers LS7, BC1, BC2 or a spendor s100❓
BC.2 then BC one
Thanks for this... Do you have any experience of transmission line speakers.. be interested in your thoughts if you have..
I do and I will review it’s basically superior base wise as long as it’s done in a big box not a little box
@@stereoreviewxGreat.. I'm currently mulling over building a kit from Wilmslow audio which looks a similar design to the PMC mb2se ..
Do studio monitors have a place in the home? Ive been under the impression a proper monitor is designed to be more of a tool than a device for entertainment. Should an average person who doesnt work in production or anything like that seek a studio monitor or a more home oriented speaker?
Yes actually quite a tricky subject are use the web monitor here so they don’t say monitors I mean it’s a certain British attempt at accuracy which a lot of British speakers had
Spend or BC ones and the LS35A were designed specifically for BBC monitoring purposes
And basically most people love those speakers
Simultaneously some modern studio speakers I think Yamaha NS 10 are known to not be enjoyable but serve their function as monitors for mixing et cetera
It’s a bit of a blurry subject really
@@stereoreviewx I think I get it man, this must be why these UK companies still produce speakers with the BBC spec in mind though many arent official BBC speakers.
I have a pair of Rogers Studio 5
But too bad not even a single youtube video talk about it..
I wonder does this things good or i bought a bad unfamous Roges model
What CD player do you use at the moment?
I’ve got to be honest I’ve barely put the CD player on since I got the streamer but I would if I had a high quality CD player which actually die don’t
@@stereoreviewx I remember you saying there was something about CD when you went back to it after streaming for so long, in your video about the Bluesound Node 2i, do you still use that device?
I heard good things about the Sony DVP-S7700 (£1300 RRP) DVD player of its day, so I purchased one will let you know when it arrives, OR you can borrow it and give it a go? I think it absolutely meets the criteria for this community which is "great sound hifi on a budget", and as like you, I don't like spending a lot!
There's a few menu settings one of which warms up the sound (though I know you don't like those "tone controls" necessarily), might be worth doing a review on? There still plenty of interest in CD's and they're mostly dirt cheap, there are also ..
Sony DVP-S9000ES
SACD
CD
DVD
Sony DVP-NS900V (probably nicest looking)
SACD
CD
DVD
Don't throw out your CD's just yet :)
Tim
Hi...How do you rate the Rogers ls1, anybody ? Thanks
I can’t say I’m familiar I am familiar with the LS2A which I seriously don’t like I don’t think they tried at all there
K
Of all the speakers you have heard over the years, if you could choose just one, which would it be?
Epos es14
There is something really hard about that question
Maybe not the ultimate speaker but the one speaker that I always think about is the KEF concerto
You have to tweak it and stuff but the base is so enjoyable so separate that oval KEF bass driveR B139 is a goody
@@stereoreviewx I somehow knew you would go for a 3 way design, looks like it’s using ls35a mid range unit so I guess it’s going to sound nice in the mids without trying to do too much lower bass, it that a passive radiator rather than an active bass driver? I will have to try and get a listen to one of those before I depart from this world. 🤔 Thanks for taking the time to comment.
@@stereoreviewx That was my first hi fi speaker, I built Kef Kit 3 with slightly larger cab than the pre made ones. The windows would rattle with the depth of bass. The T27 tweeter was the weak point...but I do miss them...
@@paulkelleway8032 It is an active bass driver by the way
Magnet suze dosnt matter, its other charistics of the drive that do, my bet is the Roger's sounds more boomy becuse the B&W is very tight.
LS7’s are $800-$1000 on eBay in the US.
I did just double check UK sold prices recently that sold prices yes average is £275 one as low as £100 and the highest one was £500 that’s in the sold prices on eBay
K
The Rogers LS7 uses a celestion tweeter
The celestion tweeter in the LS7 is a soft dome,the ls7t uses the titanium tweeter.
I have a pair of LS7 that I bought from new and I am still using them. What could I say? If you want to listen to music buy the Rodgers, if you want to listen to speakers buy something else. Think I paid £500 from Unilet in New Malden.
Agreed
Rogers would be worth having the crossovers updated ever thought about doing it? not difficult as long you got soldering iron, the crossover will be tired the capacitors will be tired probably all-cap and you could put better grade capacitors and resistors what they didn't have back then, and inductors, what you're describing at high-volume sounds like a collapse in the magnetic field in an induction coil, can go for Air core in the Signal Path be better but even upgrading the resistors and capacitors will be beneficial dramatically. Keep them to the same value you might need to make a bigger crossover board use a bit of hardboard. Clarity capacitors, are very good and for resistor go with thin or thick film resistor 50 watt minimum rather expensive around £6 or something each but 0.1% precise, you need 50 Watts will otherwise it will get too hot you can go higher 140 Watts quite common just changing out those two components would be great. Massive improvement and if there are any Air core inductors pop them in hot candle wax. put a piece of cardboard around the inductor with a tie wrap two cover the whole inductor in hot to calling wax make's a big difference on inductance stability.
Or better still go active unit you can buy a complete unit built but look for something with a minimum of 24db roloff adjustment or you can buy a kit from Nelson pass £130 what will go down to 14 Hz design by linkwitz for he's speaker systems, it is DSP or ASP if you're not into playing records go dsp if you want pure analogue go asp.
They would be good candidates they sound good now it will sound fantastic with a bit of updating.
This is a difficult thing but you can make a metal tweeter sound soft by painting it with PVA glue using a non waterproof because then you can remove it and diluted by at least 10% the glue a very very thin coat go round the diaphragm but leave the centre untouched about 5 mm diameter give or take
Ive done this for a collegue, but. no audible difference.
@@djgibby1301 well depends on the components being used what their tolerance is and sound signature not all polyurethane capacitors are the same as a general rule it should be better than on the old electrolytics and I don't like people to dabble because basically puts shame on the company. A small resistor might be needed with some capacitors depends where they are in the crossover network of 0..2ohms in line with the capacitor
@@drs-Rigo-Reus what did you actually do on what speakers? and depends on the other Gear amplifier and setup of speakers
Changed all caps on my Rogers studio 1a aaaand they sing so nice. Still not a speaker for all genres of music. Can't take high volume and large instruments and ensembles but all metallic instruments sound so real. Strings, cymbals, pianos, brass. Vocals, if recording is produced well, are very focused, life like, maybe a bit shouty at higher volumes. These are great speakers for low volume listening - dynamic, detailed and textured.
Did claritycap pur on high pass and csa on low.
After reading your tips I'm having an urge to also change inductors.
Speakers don't have power, they are passive devices and they consume not give a power. If anything, term power describes how much power can speaker consume in very short time, before damadge.
Another thing, this is LS7 with soft dome tweeter.
Titanium tweeter was used in next version of this speaker, the LS7T.
Great review, but I just checked ebay and there are 2 pair...one for 700.00 and one for 1000.00...they arent THAT good
Have you checked the eBay sold prices yes how much they’ve actually sold for you can find that out in the filter
Cheers K
I just looked right now the average price is £275 one of £100 mostly around 200 to 300
@@stereoreviewx ebay in the states must have different listings!
DM 4 are 175€ max
The original LS7 used. Cellestion HF 1000 soft dome the 7T used titanium and was rectangular not round! Horribly bright a step back really.
They're both great speakers!
I did have both and, quite honestly, the Rogers are one notch up from the B & W.
Mine are the LS7 t (the 't' standing for 'titanium' tweeter). They're slightly different from the LS7 as the port has been moved slightly to on side of the front baffle, instead of the center.
I also have and use large Thiel CS6 speakers which originally cost over 8 k US.
Yet, for Classical Music I choose to listen to the LS7 t ! That's how good they are Kelvin. I drive them with a Meridian 556 amp (100 w into 8 ohm) and they sound, superb!
Here's is an interesting review and technical details about them.
www.markhennessy.co.uk/rogers/ls7.htm
Great info thanks K
A friend of mine prefers listening to classical on his old spendor S100 far more than his expensive Wilson Watt/puppy. He says that the wilson sounds unmusical. I couldn’t agree more. British spks generally sound more musical than american ones. Even the very high american ones.
@@ganck1147
There is indeed such thing as, "American sound" v "British Sound". Especially when we talk about designs based on the BBC technical standards (the Rogers, Spendor, Harbeth etc family of monitors).
The LS7 comes from that 'stable' and as such, is very neutral as Kelvin points out in his video.
That 'neutrality' means that, each instrument sounds exactly as it should, without any "extras" (i.e. coloration etc).
The downside of this is, bad recordings sound exactly as that, bad! 😏😏
m8 dont go out , forget the groceries i cant risk losing you .
I have been eating those groceries I think that is obvious😜
Hello people I am here from The Netherlands. Do you want it all ??? how about NOT a big magnet but a passive radiator giving you down to 30 hz easingly. A deep full deep sound. The Philips 22rH487 speakers.
That LS7 must go head to head against a MA System R352.
Same sort of speaker setup but different drivers. MA comes with a paper cone and the tweeter is different also, but they look identical in size and speaker placement with two centred drivers and a large bass port.