btw i’m italian (i mean real italian) and the girl is a real italian too… the pronunciation is correct. Stop saying she’s not a real italian, if you aren’t even italians yourself 😂
Haha, look at this schoombari, he thinks being italian is associated with the land mass, newsflash: the peninsula was the mother port of a great mariner race. Like anything, different factions, divisions etc but the same corporation. Something you guindaleens don't seem to understand: Italy pre 1930. I won't even go into the massive genocide and expulsion that occurred prior to that date. What I will leave you with, if you were amongst those peoples who stayed: your family has been indoctrinated for generations and that includes, obviously, language... the pronunciation of every single vowel is actually absurd. You sound like a Rosetta stone recording. As for this constant back and forth with you guindaleens: the peoples from napoli down through Calabria pronounced many Cs as Gs. The fact that people claiming to be italian don't know that says a lot lol. That would be like the rich kids who all moved to Brooklyn in the past decade sayint: 'actually, as you can see, the Brooklyn accent isn't real none of us speak that way. The real Brooklyn people are us' Okay pal.. The only people worse are the Irish, the irish loose *half* their population to orchestrated genocide, famine, and forced immigration as america needing building. Meanwhile, you have modern irish who prob come from a family with grandparents straight out the orphanage, telling irish Americans they aren't irish. Don't get me wrong, you have italian Americans and then u have the Amenigahn (anericani) and some italians become Amenigahn because they become indoctrinated.
@@lucalecce3535 hahah se vive davvero in Italia sarebbe divertente sapere dove pronunciano l'italiano come questa ragazza... senza essere alla quinta bottiglia di vino della serata🥴
My mom be like I won’t make it if you don’t say it right😂 I be getting so used to saying it the American way she be getting so mad. And when she gets mad she only speaks in Italian😂😂
Something important to remember, the ancestors of Italian Americans did not speak the Italian that Italy speaks today. Instead, they spoke their local dialects so some of the quirks of pronunciation you see in this video comes from the trends of those dialects. For example, the pronunciation of Manicotti for Italian Americans is Manigott because the southern dialects often dropped end vowels and pronounced the c with a stronger g sound. If you want to see an example of this trend the channel 'ILoveLanguages!' has a video comparing Neapolitan and Italian. Something also important to remember is that back when our ancestors moved to the US assimilation was a huge priority. The earliest that came were targeted by the KKK and the later ones had to contend with America during WWII seeing the practice of Italian culture and language as supporting the Axis side. Due to this, a good number of us didn't learn the language of our ancestors and it is harder to keep certain sounds alive when you aren't taught how to make them and have to make rough approximations by ear. We pronounce it differently because of our different histories, and sure it would be more 'proper' and 'accurate' if we just abandoned it for the modern Italian ones, but then we would be erasing what we got from the people who came before us. Personally, I would learn the dialect of my ancestors before I learn modern Italian, and then I would really be pronouncing it 'incorrectly'. But I digress; in summary I find knowing the reason for these differences far more engaging than putting people down for their background, and I wish we looked at this as the living history that it is instead of shaming each other. Edit: Formatting
@@mrburns2128 You're correct, but a lot of our ancestors were poor and/or lived in rural areas of Italy. For example, my great-grandparents were born in the late 1890s/ early 1900s and did not speak the official Italian, likely because of their location and the fact they never went to school. That was a big reason why they did not teach their children their dialect beyond what was needed to understand them, since they didn't speak the official version and deemed it useless.
@@perpecedecelequex I'm aware of the sociocultural substrate of Italian emigrants to the US in the first half of 20th century, but what you are trying to preserve is not an italian heritage but a regional one. I'm from north of Italy and I would not be able to understand every other dialect or regional language, exept from mine (which I understand and I'm not used to speak). What I'm I'm trying to say is that Americans with italian ancestors should try to understand and study their local origins, not their national italians ones, because Italy was made in 1861, but Italians were created in a long process which is still in progress. I read your posts and I'm sure you are an articulate and curious person.
Signori, il discorso è molto interessante, ma adoro sentire due non italiani che discutono della pronuncia dell’italiano. Si è vero, coloro che venivano in Italia all’epoca non parlavano l’italiano moderno, nonostante questo fosse in vigore dall’800. Tuttavia la pronuncia rimane sbagliata, se il senso del video è far vedere come parla un italiano allora vi sorprenderà sapere che nessuno dei due lo sta dicendo in modo giusto
So basically what that I’m getting from this is that Italian Americans butcher their own ancestral language because they can’t be bothered to pronounce it correctly. No disrespect, that’s just kind of the impression I’m getting from the video. Of course I’m aware that this is literally just one Italian American man and there are hundreds that exist in New York and other places in the US.
Yeah, no, first of all these ppl are from the american south- barely any italians. Second: italian Americans are predominantly from Napoli and Northern Calabria. They speak the same way we do: cs sound like gs, we cut words short esp dropping the ending vowel.. etc You speak Tuscan, and if you are from the south, you're a clown.
Because they assimilated and became white by U.S. standards, they have established their own version of the Italian language, they think they're speaking Italian when they're not, when actual Italians have a conversation with them, they don't understand them. Languages change over time. Is there an right to recreate their own version of the Italian language they're not in Italy anymore there in the United States, for you the language police 🚓 🚨?🤔
btw i’m italian (i mean real italian) and the girl is a real italian too… the pronunciation is correct. Stop saying she’s not a real italian, if you aren’t even italians yourself 😂
AHHAHAHAAHAHHAH SPETTACOLO HAHAAH mi hai fatto scassare :)
Haha, look at this schoombari, he thinks being italian is associated with the land mass, newsflash: the peninsula was the mother port of a great mariner race. Like anything, different factions, divisions etc but the same corporation.
Something you guindaleens don't seem to understand: Italy pre 1930.
I won't even go into the massive genocide and expulsion that occurred prior to that date. What I will leave you with, if you were amongst those peoples who stayed: your family has been indoctrinated for generations and that includes, obviously, language... the pronunciation of every single vowel is actually absurd. You sound like a Rosetta stone recording.
As for this constant back and forth with you guindaleens: the peoples from napoli down through Calabria pronounced many Cs as Gs. The fact that people claiming to be italian don't know that says a lot lol. That would be like the rich kids who all moved to Brooklyn in the past decade sayint: 'actually, as you can see, the Brooklyn accent isn't real none of us speak that way. The real Brooklyn people are us'
Okay pal..
The only people worse are the Irish, the irish loose *half* their population to orchestrated genocide, famine, and forced immigration as america needing building. Meanwhile, you have modern irish who prob come from a family with grandparents straight out the orphanage, telling irish Americans they aren't irish.
Don't get me wrong, you have italian Americans and then u have the Amenigahn (anericani) and some italians become Amenigahn because they become indoctrinated.
Stai scherzando, vero?
You live in Italy?
@@lucalecce3535 hahah se vive davvero in Italia sarebbe divertente sapere dove pronunciano l'italiano come questa ragazza... senza essere alla quinta bottiglia di vino della serata🥴
Ye I'm Italian she pronunces correctly the words for everyone who's asking ahahhahag
Sì ma li pronuncia come se fossero una caricatura 😅
Ma non mi pare....rigadoni? Tor - tellini , tajadelle ?
"Tortellini"
"Toroni"
"WHAT THE F- "
"Tagliatelle"
"Tayadels"
Let me get some Brizhute, a little Gabagool, and a box a schvoiadell.
*How very American Italians vs American Italians Pronounce Types of Pasta
Squidward Tortellini
ACTUALLY in Bologna (where tagliatelle is from) its "tajadel", but still
My mom be like I won’t make it if you don’t say it right😂 I be getting so used to saying it the American way she be getting so mad. And when she gets mad she only speaks in Italian😂😂
Something important to remember, the ancestors of Italian Americans did not speak the Italian that Italy speaks today. Instead, they spoke their local dialects so some of the quirks of pronunciation you see in this video comes from the trends of those dialects. For example, the pronunciation of Manicotti for Italian Americans is Manigott because the southern dialects often dropped end vowels and pronounced the c with a stronger g sound. If you want to see an example of this trend the channel 'ILoveLanguages!' has a video comparing Neapolitan and Italian.
Something also important to remember is that back when our ancestors moved to the US assimilation was a huge priority. The earliest that came were targeted by the KKK and the later ones had to contend with America during WWII seeing the practice of Italian culture and language as supporting the Axis side. Due to this, a good number of us didn't learn the language of our ancestors and it is harder to keep certain sounds alive when you aren't taught how to make them and have to make rough approximations by ear.
We pronounce it differently because of our different histories, and sure it would be more 'proper' and 'accurate' if we just abandoned it for the modern Italian ones, but then we would be erasing what we got from the people who came before us. Personally, I would learn the dialect of my ancestors before I learn modern Italian, and then I would really be pronouncing it 'incorrectly'. But I digress; in summary I find knowing the reason for these differences far more engaging than putting people down for their background, and I wish we looked at this as the living history that it is instead of shaming each other.
Edit: Formatting
Sir/madam, italian was the official language from 1861, therefore taught in schools.
@@mrburns2128 You're correct, but a lot of our ancestors were poor and/or lived in rural areas of Italy. For example, my great-grandparents were born in the late 1890s/ early 1900s and did not speak the official Italian, likely because of their location and the fact they never went to school. That was a big reason why they did not teach their children their dialect beyond what was needed to understand them, since they didn't speak the official version and deemed it useless.
@@perpecedecelequex I'm aware of the sociocultural substrate of Italian emigrants to the US in the first half of 20th century, but what you are trying to preserve is not an italian heritage but a regional one. I'm from north of Italy and I would not be able to understand every other dialect or regional language, exept from mine (which I understand and I'm not used to speak). What I'm I'm trying to say is that Americans with italian ancestors should try to understand and study their local origins, not their national italians ones, because Italy was made in 1861, but Italians were created in a long process which is still in progress. I read your posts and I'm sure you are an articulate and curious person.
Signori, il discorso è molto interessante, ma adoro sentire due non italiani che discutono della pronuncia dell’italiano. Si è vero, coloro che venivano in Italia all’epoca non parlavano l’italiano moderno, nonostante questo fosse in vigore dall’800. Tuttavia la pronuncia rimane sbagliata, se il senso del video è far vedere come parla un italiano allora vi sorprenderà sapere che nessuno dei due lo sta dicendo in modo giusto
@@mattiapatarnello3766 sono di Torino...
Im probably like the only Italian American in my entire family who doesn't like pasta.
Non americans use their accents for english but hate when we use american accent for their lamguages.
Listen to the Italian, gringo!
So pretty 👌
Everybody can shut up. She has excellent pronounciatuon. Yes I know I spelt it wrong I don’t know how to😂
I’m part Italian and I don’t like how Italian-Americans have changed the culture.
Maniiiiigaaaa :)))
I DIED AHAHAHA
So basically what that I’m getting from this is that Italian Americans butcher their own ancestral language because they can’t be bothered to pronounce it correctly.
No disrespect, that’s just kind of the impression I’m getting from the video.
Of course I’m aware that this is literally just one Italian American man and there are hundreds that exist in New York and other places in the US.
Yeah, no, first of all these ppl are from the american south- barely any italians. Second: italian Americans are predominantly from Napoli and Northern Calabria. They speak the same way we do: cs sound like gs, we cut words short esp dropping the ending vowel.. etc You speak Tuscan, and if you are from the south, you're a clown.
You're right though and it is quite sad actually.
Full breed Italian and her pronunciation is also kinda wrong.
Not much but a little
😂
Why do Italian Americans keep trying to tell Italian people the pronunciation of their own language
Because they assimilated and became white by U.S. standards, they have established their own version of the Italian language, they think they're speaking Italian when they're not, when actual Italians have a conversation with them, they don't understand them.
Languages change over time. Is there an right to recreate their own version of the Italian language they're not in Italy anymore there in the United States, for you the language police 🚓 🚨?🤔
Just be happy its not there main language, the English get told non stop they can't speak there own language properly
Because Italian Americans and Italians have the SAME heritage and culture
It's cope
@@Fiatbob The so called Italian Americans are just Americans who claim to be Italians.
By the way, we Italians are totally different from them.
Ma lei non sembra italiana.... Dagliadelle ???
🇮🇹
Canadian Italians pronounces it like they Italian off the boat they real come back to ur roots brother come on
😂🇮🇹
Not all Italian-Americans say it the same way
How can you consider yourself Italian if you can’t properly pronounce the Italian words? Cmonnn