I love the sense of community in this lecture. In this era where free speech is an issue, it gives one food for thought. I love how people were free to question with respect for opposing views - something that has come under fire the past few years. Thank you for this free lecture! I intend on listening to the all. I intend to keep learning too.
Sitting here at home in an interesting crisis time. Building my own university with some free lectures like this one. Thank you sir for the lectures. Interesting and engaging!
Thank for the lecture professor Sanders. Interesting take on the Apology and the free speech debate. To help other interested, a brief outline of the lecture (with the respective timestamps): [1:15] Background and theme of the Apology by Plato. [24:00] Relation of the dialogue to free speech. Socrates point of view [37:20] Reasons to limit freedom of speech [1:00:15] Argument for total freedom of speech. Two ACLU examples [1:10:56] Conclusions on the Apology [1:15:00] Crito [1:42:45] Martin Luther King letter
Hi, I've been struggling all my life to study philosophical lessons like this because in our country, it is belittled and most of the time misunderstood. I just wanna thank you for this, you have no idea how much knowledge you've given me.
Prior to watching this lecture I decided to read Socrates Defence myself. Let me just say that I'd give anything to be present at that lecture and have a possibility to take part in a discusion with you. I think you just might have pushed another mind into a beautiful journey through philosophy. Thank you for that. Best wishes to you Professor. Stay well.
Interesting lecture. I heard every word. Socrates wasn't poisoning the minds of the children like the Athenians are claiming in court. He's just spreading his opinions and beliefs to them. To help them think differently about Athenian law. Plato has a different opinions and beliefs on Athenian law compared to Socrates. Their values, beliefs and opinions collide in court. It's truly a battle of the 5th century BCE.
Thank you so much for uploading these videos. I think I have been a philosopher/thinker by nature all my life but probably at an unsophisticated and amateur level. These lectures are so helpful! I initially thought there was too much time on my hands with no work and all during this lockdown but there's so much to learn that there isn't enough time for it all.
These lectures are quite amazing and very helpful for someone who's starting out in Philosophy. I got a different interpretation after I read the Crito dialogue. I thought that Socrates did not want to leave prison, not just that he favored keeping law, but I also gathered that he was offering a slippery slope argument whereby we remove laws one by one, the state would fall into chaos and anarchy and I think that Socrates was deeply against that concept at the time.
I'm required to take Philosophy in a couple of weeks. I thought I would find some lectures to get a head start as I thought I would not enjoy the subject. But I was wrong. This series is great and the topic is really interesting.
Great lectures. I've really enjoyed slowly working my way through the series. You have a gift for explaining complicated ideas simply and in a way that is stimulating. One question though, what is the piece of guitar music that introduces each lecture? I think its light playfulness is a wonderful preparation for what is to follow.
Hi Edward - I'm sorry I didn't get back to you earlier, but that's a tune called "Puakò" by Ken Emerson, from his "Slack and Steel" album (you can find the title in the credits at the end)... Jack
Hi Sylvester - Most of the reading assignments were taken from one of the editions of this book: www.amazon.com/Great-Political-Thinkers-Plato-Present-dp-0155078895/dp/0155078895/ref=mt_paperback?_encoding=UTF8&me=&qid=1574091457 - Cheers, Jack
@@jacksanders2611 in the first video, there were automatically generated english subtitles. however in this one, there wasn't. i believe that's what the they meant.
I think the proximate cause of Socrates' execution was that a number of his students were among the Thirty and their allies. After democracy was restored, the Athenians were in no mood to go easy on the oligarchs.
48:37 “Where speech is tantamount to conspiracy - to inciting to riot - those accusations to be brought in a court of law.” (How relevant is this in light of what’s happening with Twitter and the Capitol)...
Hey Joe - It's there; just out of order (it's actually the first one I posted, at a former student's request). Keep looking; I haven't figured out a convenient way to reorder them, but I must say I haven't tried very hard. I also think #9 is one of the most interesting lectures in this series, but I'll leave that to others to evaluate... - Jack
Perhaps Socrates thought that the execution of such a fine fellow as Socrates would discredit the newly-restored democracy, and lead to a restoration of the oligarchy.
I'm curious, with the increase in (more-frequently right-leaning, but not exclusively) politicians spouting unsubstantiated conspiracy theories to bolster their ideas, do you think the anti-free-speech arguments apply?
This is vague, but I'll take you up on it. Unless someone is directly inciting violence, then speech should be free and open. Even inciting violence I begrudgingly subsume limitations on free speech, but any other speech, I would argue even hate speech, deserves to be protected by adjudicationary measures. Anybody can claim a postulation to be unsubstantiated, even if it is thoroughly substantiated. In your model, who gets to decide what is censored and what is not and why? Many so-called "conspiracy theories" have turned out true, so what about that?
Legal does not apply to we the people. Constitution and charter of freedom and right, even if some time eloquently illustrates our inalienable god given right as living men, does not apply to we the people.
@@ParadymShiftVegan These (Crash Course) guys are literal liars. They said Alexander the Great who created a multicultural and eclectic empire was like American conquerors - brutal destroyer of peoples and cultures. The he went on to lie Aristotle talked him into it. (all that in Phil.of science playlist)
@@Dosadniste2000 Hmm.. I don't see where this one inaccurate fact in all of the hours of presented information lies. But, if you find it, feel free to demonstrate the inconsistency that you've ostensibly successfully found with verfiable citations. I'll be waiting. Quite frankly, finding a single fact that is inaccurate out of hundreds and hundreds of facts given over the course of hours, is merely a niggling offense that I would never take a lot of time being substantially concerned with. edit clarification
@UCCiLzrv0bkA22Ci6LfIcLNA keep acting like your vacuous intellectual position has any form of cogency or soundness, despite your utter lack of corroboration thus far. This course hardly mentions Alexander the Great at all, and your criticism seems quite niggling and perhaps even arbitrary given your apparent incapacity in producing even just *_one_* measly example of your criticism. edit trips
I love the sense of community in this lecture. In this era where free speech is an issue, it gives one food for thought. I love how people were free to question with respect for opposing views - something that has come under fire the past few years.
Thank you for this free lecture! I intend on listening to the all. I intend to keep learning too.
Sitting here at home in an interesting crisis time. Building my own university with some free lectures like this one. Thank you sir for the lectures. Interesting and engaging!
Yes! Really a wonderful time to learn
Hi Denis - You're welcome! - Stay well, Jack
@@jerusalem4492 That's how I spent lockdowns too lol
I truly appreciate you posting these lectures. They are fantastic.
I love how this feels like community access TV programs from my youth, right down to the music and Video Toaster-like CGI.
Thank for the lecture professor Sanders. Interesting take on the Apology and the free speech debate.
To help other interested, a brief outline of the lecture (with the respective timestamps):
[1:15] Background and theme of the Apology by Plato.
[24:00] Relation of the dialogue to free speech. Socrates point of view
[37:20] Reasons to limit freedom of speech
[1:00:15] Argument for total freedom of speech. Two ACLU examples
[1:10:56] Conclusions on the Apology
[1:15:00] Crito
[1:42:45] Martin Luther King letter
Hi, I've been struggling all my life to study philosophical lessons like this because in our country, it is belittled and most of the time misunderstood. I just wanna thank you for this, you have no idea how much knowledge you've given me.
Thank you for the providing free lessons, and at the convenience of my home...that is what a great Teach-er is-disseminating one's knowledge!
Prior to watching this lecture I decided to read Socrates Defence myself. Let me just say that I'd give anything to be present at that lecture and have a possibility to take part in a discusion with you. I think you just might have pushed another mind into a beautiful journey through philosophy. Thank you for that. Best wishes to you Professor. Stay well.
Second time listening to this series. Thank you for your contributions to my learning
Interesting lecture. I heard every word. Socrates wasn't poisoning the minds of the children like the Athenians are claiming in court. He's just spreading his opinions and beliefs to them. To help them think differently about Athenian law. Plato has a different opinions and beliefs on Athenian law compared to Socrates. Their values, beliefs and opinions collide in court. It's truly a battle of the 5th century BCE.
Thank you so much for uploading these videos. I think I have been a philosopher/thinker by nature all my life but probably at an unsophisticated and amateur level. These lectures are so helpful!
I initially thought there was too much time on my hands with no work and all during this lockdown but there's so much to learn that there isn't enough time for it all.
I hope you still like them as you proceed further; enjoy! - Jack
OwnEnglish, I bet you would love this series as well ^-^
th-cam.com/play/PLq5rFUzhsrBXuE0wxECMeTYSV-_52fGt5.html
Sir I can not over state how important vidios such as this are to a retired person living in the sticks. Thank you for making them.
Hi Brian - You're welcome! - Jack
These lectures are quite amazing and very helpful for someone who's starting out in Philosophy. I got a different interpretation after I read the Crito dialogue. I thought that Socrates did not want to leave prison, not just that he favored keeping law, but I also gathered that he was offering a slippery slope argument whereby we remove laws one by one, the state would fall into chaos and anarchy and I think that Socrates was deeply against that concept at the time.
THANK YOU FOR THESE PROFESSOR❤❤❤ your lectures are WONDERFUL THANK YOU!!!
I'm intrigued by your take on this topic. It complements the themes I've been exploring in my videos.
im taking a gap year before med school and always felt draw to Philosophy so im really happy i can access these lectures
1:56:43 ty Prof Jack; great idea to bring a “religious king” into Plato. 🤦🏼♂️.. looking fw
I really enjoyed the anecdote regarding the ACL. Principles can out weigh morals in certain context.
Hi professor Sanders I like the lectures but I would like to know the text the lecture is based on so i can keep up
What a great lecture
I'm required to take Philosophy in a couple of weeks. I thought I would find some lectures to get a head start as I thought I would not enjoy the subject. But I was wrong. This series is great and the topic is really interesting.
Hi, tnx for videos. could you add auto sub option? kuz im not native and its a little hard sometimes to understand.
I have been loving these lectures, thank you so much!!!
That intro is pretty neat
It inspires me B)
27:20 Barnum Statements ???
"We've looked at a hell of a lot of crows."
Outstanding.
Could I know what book i should be reading before lecture.?
yup. send me email for reading guidance...
Hi! Thank for making these lectures available. I would like to know, what is the reading that should be done between lectures?
Hi Marianna - I can send you the reading list if you drop me a note at jts@rit.edu - Cheers, Jack
Thank you sir for these lectures
You're welcome, Nicholas!
Great lectures. I've really enjoyed slowly working my way through the series. You have a gift for explaining complicated ideas simply and in a way that is stimulating. One question though, what is the piece of guitar music that introduces each lecture? I think its light playfulness is a wonderful preparation for what is to follow.
Hi Edward - I'm sorry I didn't get back to you earlier, but that's a tune called "Puakò" by Ken Emerson, from his "Slack and Steel" album (you can find the title in the credits at the end)... Jack
What textbook are you using for the lectures?
Hi Sylvester - Most of the reading assignments were taken from one of the editions of this book: www.amazon.com/Great-Political-Thinkers-Plato-Present-dp-0155078895/dp/0155078895/ref=mt_paperback?_encoding=UTF8&me=&qid=1574091457 - Cheers, Jack
Studying graphic design semi virtually this semester, starting to get into philosophy thanks for the lectures!
Haha how do you feel about the intro and outro, from a graphics designer perspective?
@@ParadymShiftVegan lmao I love them 😍
@@PaoloProductions hahaha so retro 😎
Dear sir,
Can you please add subtitles for your videos. It's hard for a person like me to understand the accent easily.
Thank you
Jack Sanders, if you wish for the services of a professional audio transcriber I'm up for it.
Agreed. The volume is a bit low on these videos so subtitles would help tremendously
What year were these lectures given? I'm guessing early 00's?
1997
Watching this in the era of trump is genuinely fascinating...
Hi, truly fantastic lectures. One thing i miss from the introduction lecture are subtitles. As i am polish it was easier to also track the text.
Hi Szymon,
Subtitles exist, but not in TH-cam, I'm afraid. I don't see how to transfer them from my local platform to TH-cam...
Cheers,
Jack
@@jacksanders2611 in the first video, there were automatically generated english subtitles. however in this one, there wasn't. i believe that's what the they meant.
I think the proximate cause of Socrates' execution was that a number of his students were among the Thirty and their allies. After democracy was restored, the Athenians were in no mood to go easy on the oligarchs.
48:37 “Where speech is tantamount to conspiracy - to inciting to riot - those accusations to be brought in a court of law.” (How relevant is this in light of what’s happening with Twitter and the Capitol)...
What was the Martin Luther King reading?
Hi Trevor - "Letter From Birmingham Jail" - Cheers, Jack
@@jacksanders2611 Thanks so much for the quick reply! Loving these lectures!
Also: what happened to lecture #9? It is missing from the video list.
Hey Joe - It's there; just out of order (it's actually the first one I posted, at a former student's request). Keep looking; I haven't figured out a convenient way to reorder them, but I must say I haven't tried very hard. I also think #9 is one of the most interesting lectures in this series, but I'll leave that to others to evaluate... - Jack
@@jacksanders2611 love your work. You could consider creating youtube playlists for each of the courses, would make it easier to navigate
@@jacksanders2611 Jack all you have to do is make a playlist! We probably won't listen to your bluegrass playlists anyways haha.
Is there any way you could share the essay that is referred to in the lecture?
Thank you!
Hi Pritesh - There may be more than one (Plato? Mill?); can you be more specific about the particular material you're after? - Jack
@@jacksanders2611 I think he was referring to the MLK essay. Where can we find it? Thanks for the wonderful lecture by the way.
20:03 we should go out and search for crows which are not black
Almost prophetic given the events of the last 2 years
45:00
😃😃
You had me all the way up until you called Hitler's doctrine of national socialism evil...
Perhaps Socrates thought that the execution of such a fine fellow as Socrates would discredit the newly-restored democracy, and lead to a restoration of the oligarchy.
Love from Pakistan
I didn't realise Will Ferrell had such profound opinions on the concept of justice.
😹😹
I'm curious, with the increase in (more-frequently right-leaning, but not exclusively) politicians spouting unsubstantiated conspiracy theories to bolster their ideas, do you think the anti-free-speech arguments apply?
This is vague, but I'll take you up on it. Unless someone is directly inciting violence, then speech should be free and open. Even inciting violence I begrudgingly subsume limitations on free speech, but any other speech, I would argue even hate speech, deserves to be protected by adjudicationary measures. Anybody can claim a postulation to be unsubstantiated, even if it is thoroughly substantiated. In your model, who gets to decide what is censored and what is not and why? Many so-called "conspiracy theories" have turned out true, so what about that?
1:08:29 Free speech!
Legal does not apply to we the people.
Constitution and charter of freedom and right, even if some time eloquently illustrates our inalienable god given right as living men, does not apply to we the people.
All crows are not black. Blue Jay's are crows.
well, i never heard the american protestant reception of ancient Greece before :)
The lectures can be great but TH-cam will always suck capitalism sucks
Can’t stand the professor’s personality, but I also want to learn more about philosophy...
Try here for a different, more normative intro.
th-cam.com/play/PLq5rFUzhsrBXuE0wxECMeTYSV-_52fGt5.html
@@ParadymShiftVegan These (Crash Course) guys are literal liars. They said Alexander the Great who created a multicultural and eclectic empire was like American conquerors - brutal destroyer of peoples and cultures. The he went on to lie Aristotle talked him into it. (all that in Phil.of science playlist)
@@Dosadniste2000 Hmm.. I don't see where this one inaccurate fact in all of the hours of presented information lies. But, if you find it, feel free to demonstrate the inconsistency that you've ostensibly successfully found with verfiable citations. I'll be waiting.
Quite frankly, finding a single fact that is inaccurate out of hundreds and hundreds of facts given over the course of hours, is merely a niggling offense that I would never take a lot of time being substantially concerned with.
edit clarification
@@Dosadniste2000 I see you've been unable to substantiate yourself. The burden of proof is not on me to substantiate your criticisms.
@UCCiLzrv0bkA22Ci6LfIcLNA keep acting like your vacuous intellectual position has any form of cogency or soundness, despite your utter lack of corroboration thus far. This course hardly mentions Alexander the Great at all, and your criticism seems quite niggling and perhaps even arbitrary given your apparent incapacity in producing even just *_one_* measly example of your criticism.
edit trips