Testing the UA Apollo x8p Audio Interface | Analog vs Digital
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- In this episode my friend Spanky and I test out the new Universal Audio Apollo x8P and Apollo Twin II using Unison Technology. We track through the UAD 1073 (and other mic pres) and then compare it to a real 1073 mic pre. See it you can tell the difference.
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I just recently picked up the Apollo x16 and the Neve OPX and am currently in freakin' heaven.
Love this channel I learn great things every time and its unique in the way you interact with art and technical thoughts , theories and real practical application - this makes it so great ! Thanks Rick.
Thankyou rick for the Beaton book 2, it fills in alot of gaps for me, and the time and effort you have put into the object is beyond comprehension . sincere gratitude, from your new student, tweed
the apollo on board preamps sound really nice just by themselves...but then to be able to color them with all the various mic pre emulations is just sick. i'm an old school analog guy, but ua is the first company to really nail these sounds in the digital world. so impressed with this apollo stuff.
I love my Apollo and their plugins are rocks! 🤘👊 Awesome video as always Rick! Cheers from Sardinia! 😊
Thank you Brother... always love seeing your material.
Great video. I seriously needed this. I just bought the twin Mkii and x8. Perfect timing
Another Awesome video Professor Beato! I liked the set and production you are mastering another art. The art of video production I did notice the lighting and fades between shots. Good job
I've been a UA Apollo user since '12 -- I still have my original silver QUAD and a newer 2nd gen unit. Love em. Great vid.
Sounds great. Congrats, Rick!
That Helios sounded killer... can’t wait for that SSL bus compressor video! Keep the gear videos coming!
That Helios is my next purchase from UAD. Wow. Just wow.
the helios is great
Great video and super timely! Just picked up a Twin MKII and a x8 that arrived earlier this week, myself. Getting away from all the Avid proprietary hardware and looking forward to comparing the Unison versions of mic pres. Cheers!
I went all UA three years ago. Console 2.0 is great. Improvements for 3.0??
The ability to physically move the channel strips wherever you want them.
A bigger headphone mixer. Maybe 6 mixes instead of 4?
2 more aux’s for a total of 4
The ability to save a Console mix preset and not be required to go to show/hide inputs and turn on/off the needed channels.
Rick I’m posting my 3.0 wish list on your review since you are a major center of influence and “Spanky and the gang” might read it.
Thanks for all your efforts!
You will love the UAD platform!
This is really interesting, seeing all this tech work together to make a nice sound. I would love to have a studio like Rick.
Great video guys. A good point for all us to remember is it all starts at the source. Your guitar sound is a beast................Enjoyed Spanky mentoring the mentor, lol.
Please Rick, more of this kind of stuff
I've been on this platform for a while and I love it. The value is insane. The plugins alone represent hardware worth thousands more than the interface.
I just bought a new Apollo Twin and am delving into the world of UA plugins - this video shows the potential. Just Wow! I gotta get that Helios plug-in - man that sounded great! 🤓🤓
Amazing video, as always-that Helios did sound very special. One thing, I just brought this up in the recording studio to listen, and you have a little noise floor and reverse gating issue going on (i.e. low level 60 cycle, and a upward expansion). I hope this makes sense, and I’d say more if I knew the details of your setup there. I hope you love the new Apollo as much as we do- between them and Focusrite Red, the sound and workflow is amazing.
Great video, as always, Rick. Given the title it would be nice to hear the UA vs the real 1073 in a more direct A/B comparison.
Once Rick is more accustomed to the Apollo / Console specific workflow, it would be much easier for him to set thimgs up apples to apples and do a soecific a/b with his normal quick video edit cuts. This seemed to be a discovery / self edification video for him that he wanted to also share with us (in case there are others in the same boat.) But i agree, the thumbnail title suggested it was more of the former rather thsn the latter
I LOVE that guitar tone!
Spanky!!! Great to see him on the channel!!
Great content Rick! Appreciate the studio side of guitar almost as much as guitar! Almost!
Just bought the Helios 69’plugin. Been thinking about it since this video first came out. Can’t wait to track my Jubilee through it!
Accidentally started playing this at half speed and i can’t stop
Very Nice Rick ! Enjoy .Grow !
Excellent vid... I think we need a part 2
Man I love the Helios and how the API sounded.
Spanky! Great to see you and Rick together. Just met him at NAMM. Small world. Great work Rick. I'm picking up one of these next week.
I had the Apollo Quad Core but I sold it and got the Presonus Studio Live Series III. I like having physical faders to move around.
UAD has a lot of quality properties, and the fact that they process inside the box is awesome, but the real thing is still smoother in my opinion.....Great video!
Spanky! Good to see you. Rick you are going to love console once you used to it. I use it everyday. If only there were 8 cue busses. 😋
Wish you had shown the physical wiring for us visual guys
Loved this video!
Great vid Rick!
Thanks for the video!
damn that silver jubilee sounds amazing. also, nice stp riffs at the top there, rick. haha.
Rick! You the man!!!!
I'm glad you mentioned why you were playing chords. Whenever I try gear in guitar stores I always play certain chords to test harmonics, instead of shredding or showing off in the typical form of people in guitar stores including the employees lol. I care about how well the 3rd 4th 5th and 6th strings on the guitar sound together when testing gear. You'd be surprised how often tone is diluted or muddy even on expensive guitars, amplifiers, and pedals when playing certain chords. If I can't hear "good" tonal harmonies from an E9 chord with either clean or added effects, then I usually will avoid a product. You don't have to sacrifice tone quality for compression, even with genres like metal. Guitars I consistently use to test gear are, anything from the Fender Professional series, and anything from the PRS S2 series. The pickups in those guitars are consistent, and have great tone qualities for testing products imo.
lol i was asking on someone else comment about this , you put this out perfect :)
...yes! Please, do a video to demonstrate how you record a drum kit (multiple inputs) through UA Console, into Pro Tools soon!
Thank god!! Just got this today
Nice! Just started my own music channel. Thanks for being an inspiration!
That Helios has some badass mojo bite.
Awesome video Rick. Spanky seems cool to he reminds me of mr strickland from Back to the future.
Rick "I'm gonna do a video on that" Beato
Logan "I'm gonna do a comment on that" Haynes
Delete please. This ain't JRE.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
I could run a channel off the video ideas he's never done
I always like watching your videos. I need to come to ATL and check out that rack first hand :) I have been using Apollo since it came out and I love it. I'm broke because of my UA plugin addiction, lol. I'm kidding. Great investment tell Spanky he did a great job.
Dang! now I have to buy the Helios Plug! Great video, guys Like the low-mids on that plug.
Just brutal guitar sounds!
You are going to love the UAD world
Hi Rick, I can't thank you enough for your hard work. I really appreciate it. A tip for you, if you like it: don't put a light right into the camera, even if you need a backlight for the shooting . So much love
Hello Rick, just bought your book, love your channel, great great stuff for us musicians and rock lovers...Is there a way to know if UAD will launch an apollo twin thunderblot 3 soon? I have an Apogee Duet since 2011 and I've wanting to upgrade, thank you.
Hey Rick, great vid. I've been using UA forever in my studio (in Tucker)... and I'm still running through a older mac aluminum tower (with all the headaches), what is your control room CPU now? You didn't say... Thanks!
You’ve Got friends in high places Rick ... Thumbs up
When I worked in radio in the 70’s and 80’s we used UA all the way.
I have the X8p. It’s an amazing piece of gear.
The nice thing about the Apollo is the ability to record with effects. I'm really considering going with a 500 series setup as well with a compressor, EQ, and the DBX sub synth.
Rick please do a video on mixing for TH-cam.
Killer guitar tone
I own the UAD Apollo and the 4-710d, so I hate to say it but the hardware Neve absolutely sounded the best to my ears. Though that middle (to me unknown) plugin was thick and lush as well.
12:34 SPOON MAN!!!!
I have an x8p as well synced to a Twin Mk2. Spanky is the man. An amazing human and and killer guitarist in his own right. Great comparisons and breakdown guys.
Great video
Loving the Antelope Audio Orion with the 4 extra analog ins and comparable plugins. Maybe comparable? I don't know for sure.
Hey Rick great vid,very informative. I wonder if you would consider doing a Voivod song, Tribal... I bet you would find their new guitarist to be a kindred spirit.
I liked the Neve plugin the best. Sounds more natural than the Helios IMO
I want a shirt also ,all of it ,thank you all at uad great job
Big thumps up. Thx for sharing.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say the 1073 didn't sound better but different. Although I would use the real 1073 because I have one :)
I use the Neve Preamp on all my channel inputs. I could be crazy, but it really does make everything sounds better.
Do you put it first in the chain on the track? Do you turn your interfaces gain knob down? Thx
@@agesonjohanesburg2915 I usually don't use it in Unison mode when recording. I've made a few basic channel insert chain presets that work for me. Neve Preamp to Studer A800 is the most common one I use. The Studer plugin over a bunch of tracks does add hiss(which, if you think about it, is hilarious). The Neve is probably the UAD plugin I use the most, including the 1176 and LA2A. I'm a Cubase user and the stock EQs have always don't the job for me.
Please do a video detailing the routing!
Thanks for the video. I’m curious about what computer you decided to buy with what specs, what OS (Mac or windows) and your thoughts on where avid is going with Protools and their hdx system? I still have my cheese crater running hdx but I see myself upgrading my computer pretty soon and would love to hear your thoughts on the topic. Thanks, love your videos
boris wow his was in 2019 new Mac mini m1 can run 400 channels as of November 2021 I think they are almost
un bugged wed
Howdy Rick, I’m late to the party as usual
But when you highlighted your focus points 6:10
How to use console?
How to plug directly into its mic pres?
How to route it to outboard gear?
Great questions that I for one would love spanky to still address
I have my Twin X and a new X6 and like you although I read the 250+ software manual and the 70+ page hardware manual
It’s much easier to see it performed by the competent and experienced hands and guidance of Spanky.
Or now 2 years on Mr. Rick B.
I’m sure you got it down by now so help out a brother
P.S. happy new year hope your all Covid free!
HI,
How was the SSl Comp Routed into the Apollo??
Thanks-Wonderful Videos
that was cool!
man that sounds good, was it a feed from Apollo or camera? My Q was answered, I thoughy biy seems you have a mic in the room. The stock Pre sounded best at first
fun fact, the 1073's germanium ancestor 1053 was the inspiration behind the title for 10538 overture by ELO
Aquatarkus, Also speaking of germanium. The Beatles also used Chandler's made with germanium parts. Resulting in great tone.
ED WENZEL Yes such a great vintage sound on germanium gear. Wish I could afford just one
@@Aquatarkus96 I happen to think API rock also.
Rick, I am getting ready to purchase an Apollo X4. How do you physically wire the outboard bus compressor to the Apollo?
I just recieved mine, and this is the first video I have watched on it. Quick question... Is what you call the UA "Console" the same as "Luna"?
Hey Rick... Great vid! It's funny... I have a buddy who is a mastering engineer in Nashville. He swears that he needs to use physical hardware units and that he can hear the difference. I can't. lol...
+thedrummersalmanac
That's why he's the mastering engineer & you're just the drummer, haha...your ears are shot! :-P I kid (I'm a drummer/percussionist, too, haha!...and a saxophonist).
But, honestly, to my ears, *some* of the plug-ins and emulations still don't quite have the special sauce of the real hardware. Just in this demo alone (and considering that we're hearing BOTH over TH-cam's lossy compressed audio), while listening using ATC SCM25A monitors, the real 1073 sounded WAY better than the emulation...at least to my ears. But I guess you could say that it's just subjective preference, so YMMV.
For me, where good plug-ins really come into play are with some the newer ones that allow you to do crazy precise or unique things that are not yet possible, and probably never will be, with any existing analog (or digital) outboard gear.
The other issue for me with a lot of the plug-ins is that it's WAY too easy to get completely lost in the plethora of options, instead of just quickly finding a good tone and laying down the track! Just get it done, son!
But that Helios emulation sounded pretty kick-@ss, even if there wasn't a comparison to the real thing. 👍
bb foto ha... agreed
mastering engineers train their ears to hear extremely subtle changes in eq and compression. it takes years to develop the ears for those sorts of things
@@awesomebawss2013 It sure does... That's why I leave the mastering to those guys. My friends ears are amazing. I'm missing most of my high end... (Cymbals.lol)
+@@awesomebawss2013
Definitely. And it's interesting that quite a few of the best mastering engineers were or are symphony orchestra musicians (or other types), such as Bob Ludwig (symphony trumpet) and Eric Boulanger (symphony violinist) to name just a few. They had already developed expertly-trained ears years before becoming engineers. ;)
When playing in a symphony/orchestra, you develop acute skills in controlling dynamics (ppp to fff), and in constantly balancing your instrument with the others in your section and with the entire orchestra.
In addition, you are constantly aware of & checking that your instrument is "in tune", or hearing if others are flat or sharp, whilst also experiencing & learning the delicate tonal qualities and harmonics of a multitude of live acoustic instruments. Just my .02 FWIW.
I have a hardware UA LA-610 and find plugging my electric guitar into that for some mild compression and EQ and then into the UA Apollo (Apollo 8 in my case) and launching one of their plug-in amplifiers in the Unison slots works really well. I’m using a simple hardware pre-amp which limits your possibilities which gets you to your desired sound faster. And the low latency of the Unison plugin spots make getting to a perfect sound pretty easy. I have two favourite plugin amps. I’m not a heavy distortion fan like Rick, so I use the Marshall Bluesbreaker which has some really nice Marshall clean settings. Also love the Fuchs Train 2 which is really versatile and doesn’t sound like a “train wreck” at all :).
Rick hope you get to video record how you make UA Console feed PT (dude, please upgrade to 12!!) and how you route it back to the UA Console (hint: PT output to Virtual 1 and Virtual 2 in UA Console). If there’s more that your UA bud can share it would be great!
Well said. Use an outboard pre into Apollo plugs. I've done that. But i do like the idea of using the Apollo unison pres because everything is recallable. Also you can save an entire channel strip as a preset. Physical patchbays are so 1970s. I guess that is why I continue to upgrade my patchbay with 100s of patchpoints. Pricey. But the better the patchbay, the better use of my hardware to integrate withe the Apollo Converters. I keep on telling myself that my AMS 1073 DPX pres sound better than their Unison 1073 pre. Like the hardware is more 3D, focused, and has more air. But sometimes I feel I can not tell the difference. I guess for $2300 an AMS Neve 1073 DPX channel, it might be close. But I am really hoping a used vintage 1073 pre for $8000 or whatever they go for today's prices has a sound that you can not capture with a plugin and UA's harware with Unison. i am sure if I owned a vintage 1073 or a Telefunken V76 I would tell myself that the UA emulations do not even come close. With all this great gear I just make poor music compositions I write sound more of a high quality. Very close to the "Pros"s. Now if i could just get software to play guitar like Eddie Van Halen that would be perfect.
Love the channel Rick. Probably my fav videos are the What makes this song great series. As a guitar nerd and someone that likes to play the guitar as a hobby one thing I’ve noticed on your channel is you have not talked much about Stevie Ray Vaughan. Do you mean he’s the baddest mofo that ever picked up a guitar. One thing I would like to see is a video with your thoughts about him and what makes him great? Not just one of his songs but a guitarist profile. To me he’s a guitar god
Hi Rick, could you make a comparison of the plugin x equipment? That way we could feel the difference.
great video and thanks for sharing. So we are considering upgrading as well. Rick are you suggesting that the UA Apollo X series does not offer an actual remote, you have to buy another interface just to have a volume/talkback/feature desk side control? I say because Apogee does offer an actual remote control. If true, that is a bit of an expensive remote, no?
At 1:30 I thought you were going to show how the console is setup? The virtual connections in the UAD ? Would like to see more of the routing options in the console itself rather than the Unison plugins (which is more suit ears).
More Spanky!
The real deal is still better, feels so good!
I just fired up my Twin to listen to this. I love my UAD plugins and that 1073!
Hey Rick, is the headphone amp on the Apollo X useable for tracking big rock guitars from modern rock?
Hey, that's Jason!
The Hardware seemed to be louder in level and brighter, which tricks you out, as mentioned in the video. Was this the case ? A loudness meter would have helped....
“Hello everyone this is my friend Phil Collins” 😹😹
"Hello everyone this is my friend Spanky" is pretty amazing on it's own.
tbh I would not be surprised if that happened
Rikkousa That would be awesome.
@@rikkousa I'm absolutely certain you are the first person to even suggest someone would say that.
“This is how you route your mix to the hardware bus compressor”
* doesn’t cut away to the screen capture🤦♂️*
That was the part of the video I really wanted to see.
BIG Thanks for that great Video, I`m also using a 57 and 421 on Electric Guit but never tought of doing the setup in The UA console , I would record 2 mono track then move them to a stereo track inside PT . Quick question what is the exacte offset of a 57 vs 421 to get the phase correctly. I was thinking of just taping them together. usually I go for half a inche. Thanks again for the Video
Worst case scenario you just print them as separate tracks to PT from Console and then align the sample peaks so you're perfectly in phase
That's Jason S. aka "Spanky", great guy.
Yeah and he works for UAD... So how is this not sponsored?
What is the song they use near the end for SSL Compressor test? Thanks
Hey Rick you cut your console screenshot right when you are talking about routing the SSL compressor
How did you physically hook up the Neve pre amp? XLR? 1/4 in? I am trying to utilize an external Neve also and want to bypass the pre amps in the interface. What are your suggestions>? thanks....
that riff at 7:40 smells like "what makes this song great ep21 part II"
Just picked up Apogee Symphony Desktop and a WA73 warm audio the best sound the Built in DSP and Dual path monitoring and print FX 🚀🚀🚀
Wait a min ! I thought he was going to show how he wired all that. Insert
Good video I would love to use UAD products but outside of my pay grade.
Rick please give uw the name of the song that played at the last moments with bus compressor.