You Are What You Eat: Twin Experiment Paid by Fake Meat Company?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 มิ.ย. 2024
- Scientists at Stanford claim going vegan is better for your cardiovascular health, let's dive into the details.
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----------------------------------------Show Notes-------------------------------------
0:00 Intro
0:20 An 8-week clinical trial with twins compared vegan diets with omnivorous diets.
1:30 Researcher is Conflicted
2:15 LDL cholesterol levels improved in the vegans.
3:10 LDL is not a significant risk factor for cardiovascular disease.
4:40 Triglyceride and HDL levels shifted in the wrong direction in the vegans.
4:50 Waist circumference was tracked, but not reported in study results.
7:28 Prepared meals were given for the first 4 weeks, then they had to prepare their own.
9:20 HDL decreased in the vegan dieters.
9:45 Triglycerides increased with the vegan dieters, not omnivores.
12:45 Study protein, carb, and fat levels were similar between the diets, but calories differed.
14:25 Meat intake was mostly chicken.
15:05 Meat alternatives are ultra processed.
15:30 Only 1 participant chose to remain on the vegan diet after the study.
THANK YOU! I just watched this documentary about the twins the other day and they cannot say this was an unbiased study, it pushed plant based and everything you could find wrong with meat the entire time
Yes
Do we even care about the effects on the environment? I don’t believe that we need to completely cut out eating animal products, but at the rate that we going, it really doesn’t look good.
@@teresaamanfu7408
We need to feel sorry for nature?
How many wild animals we have now compared to 500 years ago?
Im guessing much less. It is inevitable, more of us humans means less of everything else.
Studies show that the entities that fund the study get the results they want 98% of the time !🤔
Isn't that funny how that happens!!! Beyond fake meats are literally toxic stuff. Loaded with bad fats mostly seed oils that our bodies hate!
Just a garbage study that’s not a study but corporate supported work in an effort to support their product.
Yep the thumbnail was perfect.
They call certain amino acids and fatty acids essential for a reason
Just wait: they'll say essential amino acids are a conspiracy theory
The problem with this line of thinking is the same people who are telling us Keto is bad are the same people who came up with the idea essential amino acids and fatty acids.
@@WalkerOneessential means our body can’t produce them on its own. I think this would be true unlike these biased studies
"Stores of vitamin B12 in the body can last around 2 to 5 years without being replenished, so it can take a long time for any problems to develop after a dietary change." An 8 week study is not long enough to expose vitamin B12 deficiency problems in the vegan group.
"Vitamin B12 deficiency leads to elevated homocysteine. Elevated homocysteine is associated with arterial endothelial dysfunction and is considered an independent risk factor for CVD."
if High Homocysteine is bad then why were a bunch of Korean centenarians having double the level of Homocysteine levels of about 25 umol/L? Source of 2011 study: Discovery of Novel Sources of Vitamin B12 in Traditional Korean Foods from Nutritional Surveys of Centenarians.
@@StanDupp6371 I read the study you cited and found it interesting. However, it excluded all the Koreans with elevated homocysteine levels who already died prematurely from heart disease, stroke, and dementia. High Hcy levels have repeatedly been found to be a statistically significant risk factor for cardiovascular disease.
"Elevated Hcy levels were associated with increased risk of all-cause and cause-specific mortality among middle-aged and elderly Chinese." - Clinica Chimica Acta, Volume 538, 1 January 2023, Pages 1-8
Soy protein isolates pressure cooked with canola oil and doused in colors & seasoning extracts? No thanks.
@@palmiccz not the ones I make- 100% grassfed beef and salt- 5.49-6.49/lb. 4 grassfed burgers for less than a single questionable fast food burger
LOL
The fact that they're still talking bout LDL-C even despite all of Dave Feldman's research just tells you they're grasping at straws for their narrative. Thanks for the breakdown.
Or David Diamond's research
It's such cope. Low carb people: " It's nOt LdL!?? ItS jUsT evEryThiNh eLsE iT inTeacts with!?!! Alcohol doesn't cause car accidents, you see it's really the cars and roads and the tires!?!?!"
High LDL is bad for most people, maybe it's okay if literally everything else is perfect in your diet. In general, it is good to lower it. Lower LDL greatly reduces heart disease.
LMHRs are a specific small portion of the population, and Dave Feldman himself doesn't even say that we shouldn't worry about LDL
@@dangallagher6176 If you want to believe the dogmatic views that are sponsored by ~1 trillion dollars of annual statin therapy, go for it. If a life insurance company doesn't take into account LDL-C but your doctor forces it on you, which one is actually interested in health?
My takeaway from watching a few vegan commenters about that study was that they are assuming that Cholesterol is bad, I tend to think it's good and try to get lots of healthy animal fat into my diet.
Yeah, all they got was a cholesterol deficiency. Where will their hormones come from? Cholecalciferol?(Vitamin D)
That's because without the LDL nonsense vegans have nothing.
I agree, cholesterol is good, actually necessary!
Beyond meat is wheat gluten with canola oil and hydrolyzed starches and spices. Nasty, ill stick to grassfed beef, thank you. Quitting grain and sugar cured my arthritis after all.
I saw this while eating a venison burger. I don’t always watch, but it was too funny not to check it out.
So it like a product that should go to the dump.. and they have found a way to get people to buy it... that creative .. of these people.. guess what, we will have the best ads sooner or later showing people praising such products...
Beyond is mainly pea protein not wheat gluten. Here is the full list:
Water, pea protein, expeller-pressed canola oil, refined coconut oil, rice protein, natural flavors, dried yeast, cocoa butter, methylcellulose, and less than 1% of potato starch, salt, potassium chloride, beet juice color, apple extract, pomegranate concentrate, sunflower lecithin, vinegar, lemon juice concentrate, vitamins and minerals (zinc sulfate, niacinamide [vitamin B3], pyridoxine hydrochloride [vitamin B6], cyanocobalamin [vitamin B12], calcium pantothenate).
@@lmlm_
Not that it's the best product but people just make up shit.🤔🤫🤯
@@lmlm_ The methylcellulose is wallpaper glue, needed to hold everything together
The “Experts” are bought and paid for these days! Thanks for your continued work on getting to the bottom of these reports. Greatly appreciate you 👍
And you don't think the Cattlemen's Assoc pays those Experts?
@@chinookvalleyOff to the circus for you 🥴
Good idea -- always listen to non-experts about anything. Um. How old are you?
@@perfection-0__0_18 Its good not to have rose tinted glasses, many studies with positive results on meat are also have conflicts of interest. Both sides of this debate have flaws in some of the science used to back up each side of the debate.
Except, the argument of bias in this case doesn’t work. The twin study showed that eating meat does have negative affects on your health, many of those being significant increases in risk of long term health problems. Another key conclusion showed that eating ultra processed foods had an adverse effect on your health too.
Put simply, eating meat is risky and a problem, but eating pre processed foods like meatless burger products is NOT a good answer. Bias? I think not.
I noticed this infuriating behaviour a decade or so past and hence delve into 'who paid for the study to be done' before I bother to read the 'findings'. Dreadful shenanigans.
Thank you so much for going over this study. I had a conversation with a neighbor about similar information and recommended she look at who is paying for it as well. She stood by her decision without research, because 'I trust EXPERTS regardless of who paid for the study. '' 🙄
So many people are so blind
Are you saying you don't trust experts? Assuming that a conflict of interests determines the results is a fallacy. Someone has to pay for the study. If it's not a a private company, it's a private non-profit organization (with donors money) or a government. Those are the only three options. It's fine to be skeptical, but you still have to falseify the results. What experts are you going to rely on to do that? How many studies are paid for by meat and dairy that you rely on?
@@jakubchrobry3701 🤣🤣🤣
@@Sunshine_AKYou're a hypocrite if you ever cite a study and you're a fool if you rely on anecdotal information.
Please tell me how Mike refuted this study. More women than men? Missing waist circumference data when their weights were essential unchanged?
That said, I don't believe this study is that important. I just find it hilarious that Mike believes he found a gotcha. And you bought into it.
@jakubchrobry3701 I feel no need to respond to narcissists like you. Have a blessed day
She definately got the jab
LDL cholesterol is NOT the issue with heart disease. I've been a cath lab nurse for 15 years. More than 50% of people who have a STEMI (acute heart attack) have "normal" cholesterol levels!!!
Processed foods, seed oils, prescribed drugs to manage and not cure disease, and sedentary life are the problem.
Is sesame oil considered bad as a seed?
Do other professors and students at Harvard and Stanford just think nothing of the corruption and destruction of their former reputation?
I am so glad you put these videos out! It’s frustrating to know how deceived the public is and when the majority believes it then it goes viral. Fake is fake and we all need to GET REAL!
Three months ago, mostly out of curiosity, I went full carnivore and so far I’m amazed at the improvements in my lipid panel, my skin, my gums, my muscularity and the overall way I feel. Looking back I feel I was duped.
@@rjo8500I went fully carnivore as well , within one year my amputated leg grew back .
There is nothing fake about this study. You have potential conflict of interest in almost any study nowadays. That does not by itself mean, that the study is worthless. The methodology is solid and the results are expected given all other studies that have been released about this topic. You would have to argue, where specifically in this study, the bias shows and why it matters.
The minute I heard Chris Gardner's name attached, this study went into the mental garbage can. Ideological vegans should _not_ be in nutrition science.
I don’t even think Chris Gardner is a vegan, and he has made some anti-vegan comments in the past
@@johnchesterfield9726 Interesting, maybe this is more recent then...
One has to make the assumption that they did do the post DEXA but the results did not support the outcome the “funders” we’re looking for…
They did do post study DEXAs and waist measurements. They show this in episode 4 of the series at about nine minutes in.
I've quit paying any attention to these studies. For those of us who truly understand what's going on and those who don't and don't really care why should we care what they do. You'll never convince them to take charge of their own health and educate themselves as the rest of us have.
“He who pays the Piper calls the tune” - an old English saying that seems very pertinent
I’m a triplet and I’m carnivore my sisters are not and our bodies are completely different . I’m an athlete and I still have my gallbladder , both my sisters don’t and they have random health issues , sleep problems , ect .. I don’t need a study I see it when I’m around them .. low carb , real meat is the way to go ..
If we were to use anecdotal evidence to back everything up, we'd be headed nowhere. People have been WFPB for decades and are healthier than their counterparts. All organs intact and constantly active. Does this mean we all should be plant based? Quit being silly, doll.
And I thought Disney hiring the Cali university professor of mermaid studies to prove black mermaids were possible was goofy.
I thought you were joking so went to check... I can't stop laughing after reading an article about it xD
The media hype around this study has been pretty annoying, and it is good to see someone take a more critical look at it. My biggest problem with the study was that 8 weeks is not long enough to see how these diets work as long-term lifestyles.
When I saw vegan channels covering the study, I knew not to both. Now, in the first minute, hearing Mike say it was only 8 weeks, I could just roll my eyes. Next they will be doing 1 day studies…
One could argue that you need at least 90 days strict carnivore to decide if it benefits you .. the first 2 to 6 weeks of low carb are adaption .. so hormones and all kinds of things change ! 8 weeks is just silly .. though if I went 8 weeks of vegan I would be absolutely miserable .. in fact it would take one day of being vegan to derail my asthma !
Or studies on 8 mice 😂 remember that gem? Before they rolled out a booster to the world?@@sarahrosen4985
A single isolated study that is short in duration isn’t a big issue. It’s actually important in science. It has its limitations just as all studies do, but it also has strengths in that researchers are able to have greater control over the experiment and increase intervention retention. Studies with much longer duration are more likely to be confounded as the longer a study persists, the less control researchers have over the experiment, plus retention declines. Does a shorter clinical trial provide weighty evidence on its own? Probably not, but it does have the benefit of being more tightly controlled. The perfect clinical study doesn’t exist, all studies have their limitations. The important thing is not to look at a single study in isolation, but to look at the totality of evidence (such as in meta-analysis’). Where an aspect of one study is limited, another study has it as a strength even though it’s going to have limitations of its own. Together, they are complimentary and provide more weighty evidence.
Yes pretty remarkable the benefits are seen in only 8 weeks. Imagine if they studied them for decades.
Eating a high cholesterol diet helped grow my hair back naturally. I don't think we really understand what health is
Pffft.
My amputated leg grew back going carnivore .
@@julienfroidevaux1143 Wait is that true?💀
@@theycallmety5144 only a tad more absurd than the carnivore cure tribe claims .
As a former vegetarian and then vegan- I can say NO, my cardiovascular health is better on an omnivorous diet.
after being a vegetarian for 38 years, this 58 year old just starting eating meat after learning about all the seed oils and garbage in the fake meat I have been eating. 10 days in and I'm feeling better than ever.
What were u eating as a vegan? Give me an outline of an average week for you
@@jaketaylor1409 Wow. ‘Give me an outline of an average week for you’?’The level of entitlement in that comment…
@SuperFata no one's being forced to answer... they can answer at their will. I asked a question to get a better idea of why the diet didn't work for them. Stop being so sensitive about a question
@@jaketaylor1409 Yea, it's just root cause analysis. People could claim anything on their favour to justify their actions when there are already solid studies on the matter...
Hi Mike -- I like your breakdown of this study. Overall, I agree with your assessment of the ignored level of elevated triglycerides. I think that was mostly ignored by the authors due to the fact that a lot of processed vegan food was consumed for convenience. Additionally, I think this study (as interesting as it was), only tells us about the impact of a plant-based diet on LDL, not overall health or in relation to heart disease.
seems that TG worsened in both groups
I actually like eating tofu and fake meat but I want people to make that choice for themselves off of honest information
What a pointless study we are still obsessed with markers that seem to have no relevance
Always follow the money...once you saw the study got funding from Beyond Meat, you knew it was going to be horrible..just like their products
They never once talked about the effects of high triglycerides from consuming all the refined sugars like high fructose suryps
Society has marginalized access to good health to those that’ll take it in their own hands or have means easily available. Kind of sad. Great work and breakdown here.
People follow fads over facts unfortunately, and everyone’s looking to make a buck on people
Was vegan, then went omni. When I went omni, I admit that I started loosening up on my healthy food intake. I now am gravitating back toward many of my plant-based recipes, but still eating pastured eggs, real organic butter and occasionally a whole pastured chicken. Leaning on soaked legumes (LOVE fermented dosa) for plant protein, but still love bone broth and high-quality and more humane meats.
I'm feeling good about the balance I've found...
fermented plants I would say are significantly more healthy and safe than non fermented. fermenting helps kill plant toxins I believe
Eggs are The worst food. Even Worse than meat. Listen to Anthony William
@@maniac577 "even worse" lol... look up vince gironda
What is the humane way to kill something? How would you kill the animal?
@@maniac577🤣🤣🤣
This study is basically the vegan propoganda 101. I want to see a study for 6 months where ppl ate a vegan diet with no supplements and fortified food vs a low carb hypercarnivore diet without supplements. 8 weeks is not even a study and that low test group is not even a relevant study
Correct. You don't need a study to know that vegan diet will lower LDL. By now we know that LDL is not a risk factor, but the public doesn't know that and they will use this as a propaganda tool to promote their agenda.
Yes. This is what we need.
Make it 6 years.
One of two + many more deficiencies going carnivore .
Vit C + Magnesium .
Would your study include the corpses you are eating not be supplemented ?
If the where not they would be deficient as would you .
Do not respond to that poster. He's been trolling carnivore channels for months. He makes his arguments absurd on purpose (for example, he knows full well carnivores need almost no vitamin C as he's been repeatedly explained why before, he knows full well a properly fed animal needs no supplementation and provides plenty of B12, and of course this hypothetical trial would not allow for animals who have been given supplements) to bait replies, and then reports the replies to get the comment deleted and, one assumes, the poster in trouble after enough reports.
He has not responded to any comments regarding the fact that more animals die slow painful deaths for crops to be grown than for pastured cows to be harvested, either. He knows a plant-only diet causes even more animal harm than carnivore does, and he clearly doesn't care. I don't even think he's a plant eater, he's just here to gets comments removed. Probably some industry shill.
Why look at LDL and not at any metabolic health markers. Heart rate, blood pressure, insulin, glucose levels, inflammation markers… so much that can be checked with a complete blood test against these studies… what a waste of time…. Medical community continues to chase down the wrong rabbit hole and fails to ask the most important question, yes ldl went down but, is that actually healthier? Is the individual actually healthier?
The recent "study" on red meat and diabetes didn't record people's intakes of grain or sugar...
I don't know how they can keep making these obviously bogus studies and not get imprisoned for conspiracy to make the general public very sick.
LDL should not be low for anyone.
Absolutely agree. Heart attack is part of natural cycle of life for humans, no point trying to evade it.
Talking about a study being funded by fake meat while making a video funded by creatine supplements. Remember, correlation does not imply causation….
The only way to make a definitive scientific comparison would be to take two groups of similar people (say 50 people) and isolate them into vegan group and carnivore group. Make sure that the vegan group gets only plant food and that the carnivore group gets high quality animal proteins and saturated fat. Check all health parameters every six months for two years and then see the difference.
it is interesting that at baseline have both groups insulin resistance.
It’s pretty telling that they “choose” not to publish certain measurements.
Also 200 calories x 56 days is 11,200 calories. That’s more than 3 pounds worth on a flat line.
When I was on a plant-based (vegetarian) diet I ate many more calories than I do now so if anything, it should be 200 calories in the other direction in terms of satiety.
Is the HDL/trigliceride ratio still seen as a predictor of heart disease? If so, this study seems to indicate that the vegan diet increases risk on both counts.
Even if trial subjects are twins, it is not a reliable research if the twins had difference in fitness level when they started the trial.
There's a new study everyday.
In Episode 4 of the “documentary” at about 3 minutes in they are clearly about to take a waist measurement from one of the twins at the end of the experiment, but you said they didn’t publish waist measurements at the end? Strange.
👍👏❗️ 😂😂❗️"They" try by all means available to discredit meat consumption!
As someone who has been on a plant-based diet for four years I wasn't really impressed with the documentary. It was more of an infomercial on vegan substitute products. Processed convenience products are an option but not a requirement for doing a plant-based diet. It felt like the challenges of being on a plant-based diet were not discussed. There are family, social and other ramifications that people have to consider.
I saw the preview on netflix and thought "let me guess, we should all be vegan". Then I came to youtube to find this video. Thank you ❤
Same here hahaha
The thing is most people don't care and will continue to live unhealthy.
Nice honest look at this study 🙌🏻
Why, Netflix? What's the agenda?
Thank you for this video! I had to come back and rewatch it after watching the Netflix show they released about the study. The slanted view of the researchers was so obvious on the show. I felt a little crazy.
I was suspicious the second I saw the study. I was waiting for one of the people I trust to break it down. Thank you..
No funding to check waist circumference? I didn't know it cost so much to wrap tape around somebody's waist.
*perhaps no funding to measure peoples waist lol that made me laugh lol* 💪👍
Really appreciate all your work!
Finally a qualified review of this "breakthrough" study! LDL cholesterol is not a reliable indicator of CVD risk. HDL cholesterol and triglycerides are!
If this is Chris Gardner … he is so bought and paid for by the big Ag companies
The whole cholesterol thing is a lie
Mic the vegan is still celebrating the LDL results of this study... 🤦
Without falling on either side of the diet argument, it is surprising that he doesn't say that the researchers did not discuss the higher Triglycerides and lower Glucose and B12 because they were not statistically significant (p values higher than .05). Only the LDL and Weight were statistically worth discussing, a common practice among studies.
As a former researcher, we are all mandated to report funding sources, another common practice, this is a good thing, it denotes transparency. I'm sure the researchers would have taken financial support from anyone, including omnivore diet supporting groups. Once a study is funded, researchers will conduct the study ethically and report all findings worth discussing, adding to the body of general knowledge on the subject.
While they didn't dive as deeply in their discussion, those things are indeed mentioned. They're also featured prominently across the study paper, and highlighted by articles written about the paper, including those written on med.stanford... the latter is not so much any fault of the study (other than perhaps how its presented) but none the less, the lack of highlighting the lack of detailed discussion on the secondary outcomes in a specific subsection of the paper seems like a very minor (some may say... insignificant :P ) point...?
Every nutrient is important, even the demonized fats, sugars and cholesterol, they provide energies to muscles and to the body. The problem is the excess, even fibers and vitamins in excess are dangerous.Pulses and aubergines have toxic substances which are decreased when you cook them but they're still present, so if you eat too much of them everyday it's not gonna be good for your body etc.
Pam Popper has this study on her youtube channel. She failed to mention who it was funded by.. I wonder why LOL
Thank you, great critique.
Thank you for another informed video. I've incorporated a lot more meat into my diet to up my protein level as I'm 61 and I'm working out with weights and I found if I don't I don't get any gain then I end up fatigued for much longer. I just had my blood work turned in so we'll see after a year of upping my protein what that does. I'm one of the strange people that's trying to gain weight. Obviously I could eat junk food and gain weight, but I'm trying to gain some muscle. I've been a runner all my life so I've always been kind of lean but if enjoyed your videos
@jejunamja please remember to post your results. I’m 62 and started adding more protein as well. I’m anxious to know your results!! Thank you!
@@Ranch-girl couple weeks cause LabCorp isn’t always the quickest, but I’ll let you know for sure
"Why would they not think about those things, they don't have some of the best researchers in the country..." - Sarcasm
Where's the study link?
Independently of waist circumference results, the vegan group had a significant loss of visceral fat, which is ultimately associated with cardiovascular disease, diabetes, etc. Nobody in their right mind associates Impossible burgers with a healthy diet anyway, so if you trust the meat and dairy sponsored studies best, suits you, whatever you have to say to yourself to have steaks all day.
The visceral fat is more of an indicator of low to no physical activity combined w/ shoving to many junk calories down the pie hole. However, the majority of folks in America would be doing themselves a favor if they increased their fruit and veggie intake while reducing the processed junk, including meats. We've got a over-consumption problem.
Correct me if i am wrong but isnt it difficult to draw conclusions about the triglycerides since the p value supports the null hypothesis of no difference? (The p value ie no where near the typical 0.05 cutoff) still worth mentioning or course but we do need to be careful about drawing conclusions about if there truly was a difference between the two groups in this regard as their error bars also overlap substantially
Would be nice to see a few TH-camrs get together and crowdsource (gofundme) a complete study on the popular diets. Possibly even using subscribers as subjects, where all variables are controlled.
The simple reason why there are no studies where all variables are controlled is the fact that it is impossible to control all variables.
Imagine that, the scientist agrees with the people who paid them
THANK YOU!!!
I first heard about this from Mic the Vegan. I’m “trying” not to be in a vacuum of knowledge about my health. His video made me scratch my head and I kept wondering what else could be found in a deeper dive in this study. Then thankfully your video popped up. You broke this down beautifully.
The raising of the trigs! And lowering of the HDL! Not a focus… 🤔
The other omission I feel could shed some light on the CVD data was the easily calculated number of VLDL (HDL+ LDL=X, TC-X=VLDL). I believe keeping it 15 or below is best. I’m sure they had the total cholesterol, but I’m assuming didn’t share it. You are one of the few who have talked about VLDL before. TY!
I even read some of the comments. Some focused on the weight loss benefit of the diet. Weight changes are over rated in my book. Again thank you for sharing the caloric differences of the two. Now this makes sense. Some discussed how carnivore or meat based ppl have zero CAC scores (like myself) and Mic shared his view there still is plaque, just not hard visible plaque. This may be true, but I know I am in so much better health eating an animal based diet than I was before. As a 62 year old woman who is killing it in the gym and has more energy than her 20 & 22 yr old children. Ummm yeah, I’m not changing my diet and lifestyle!!!
I was surprised at the change in fasting insulin. However, I do know insulin can change on a dime for various reasons with each blood draw. So to me it isn’t a hard and fast data point to hang a hat on here unless it was taken multiple times over time.
The study showed exactly what one would expect from a low fat diet vs moderate fat/carb. There's no way they were trying to learn anything. They were trying to orchestrate something.
Will dogs eat Beyond Meat ?
Waist circumference will not offer any info. This was not a weight loss study or a resistance training study. They were told to eat until they were satiated. Their weights barely changed (just noise). The mean weight of the omnivorous group remained exactly the same at 71.7 kg. The vegan group dropped from 70.9 to 69.5 kg. It was only an eight week study. With no weight change in the omnivorous group, do you expect to see a difference in waist circumference, especially when there is considerable variation due to what's in the gut, water retention, bloating, and posture?
You said you don't eat a lot of chicken or recommend it, can you elaborate on that?
6:00 be careful they'll make up a number on waist circumference that backs their claims
Waist circumference will not offer any info. This was not a weight loss study or a resistance training study. They were told to eat until they were satiated. Their weights barely changed (just noise). The mean weight of the omnivorous group remained exactly the same at 71.7 kg. The vegan group dropped from 70.9 to 69.5 kg. It was only an eight week study. With no weight change in the omnivorous group, do you expect to see a difference in waist circumference, especially when there is considerable variation due to what's in the gut, water retention, bloating, and posture?
No I was simply saying all studies are bs these days
@@PTracer921 Yeah, science is dead. No more medical advances. I would advise you never to take any drugs or go to the hospital if it's all bs "these days." Why are you on this channel? Mike is constantly doing videos on studies. Why waste you time? Oh, I bet you accept any study that claims eating bacon is healthy for you. Anything you like is good, all else is BS.
Compared to what? Why do they never compare vegan diets to zero-carb or low-carb diets?
A lot of "Save the Planet" BS was heard...
well all i can say is the vegan diet made me feel like crap
Great breakdown. Solid work.
I really enjoy these videos, keep up the good work!
some other gaps are apparent too - including that the 'omnivore' diet was higher in sugar, too. a bit like the overall caloric intake, it wasn't a dramatic difference but its also 'odd' to then tout (as the study did) the reduction in blood glucose as a benefit from the vegan (sorry... lower sugar) diet.
long live the algorithm
All this study “shows” is that between two high carb diet cohorts, the slightly lower carb had slightly more decreases in LDL and slightly more weight loss.
To say vegan is healthier within this context after only 8 weeks, without any long term OUTCOME data is preposterous.
And btw, the insulin levels were shit in BOTH groups…
The omnivore group ate more sugar too
A lot of new vegans use stored nutrients in their body because it’s not in their diet. That’s why they feel ok initially and they start feeling like crap after time progresses; the nutrients run out.
@@sandracastellanos921 Which nutrients and when?
Thanks Mike.
I thought the size of the ldl-cholesterol being small dense or large buoyant was the important part, not necessarily the amount
if i am what i eat then i am genetically modified hydrogenated soybean oil
One study done by plant eaters internet claims "biased". 1000s of studies done by meat eaters "ok good study".
They didn’t promote any fake meat.
I love how they claim lower cholesterol is called an “improvement” when we all know higher cholesterol is an improvement. Just the use of the word improvement implies they think lower cholesterol is healthy.
The huge environmental impact of livestock “farming” does need new solutions
Definitely agree with that.
Didn't the Beyond CFO bite a man's nose off in a road rage incident last year?
1:51"Him and I"? 😁 Lol. Sorry, had to. Thx for the video. 😊
I feel like its always easy to debunk a diet when you dont have anyone challenging your claims (not that im defending the study, i dont have much faith in industry funded studies myself). But id be interested to see this guy actually debate a vegan who knows the scentistic literature and test how strong his convictions really are (especially when he will site his own biased studies from loren cordein- the founder of the low carb meat eating diet)
You know that a carvivore or omnivore diet high in protein is not a new invention, right? For millennia it was just called the standard human diet.
@sarahrosen4985 whether it's a new invention or not had nothing to do with my comments. The comment i made was whether this guys anti vegan opinions would actually hold up in a debate which he has never tried to organise. Instead he sites studies from people like loren cordein and then criticises industry funded studies for being biased... its hypercritical and just shows alot of his flawed logic
@@jaketaylor1409 do we need new studies to see if breathing oxygen in air is good for humans? No, but we would need lots of studies trying to convince humans to defy evolution and insist that absorbing the oxygen in sea water through their lungs is better than air and the way all humans should go. Commenting for the algo because we all know that there is no getting through to vegans.
I just do not find any of these studies or the people doing them or trying to use them as evidence for anything as credible.
I am just going to look at what the regime/pharma/medical establishment are recommending and do the complete opposite.
Basically no difference, except one group had suppressed LDL and the other had somewhat normal LDL. Both groups used too much sugar, especially the omnivores. Vegan group was less satisfied and thus ate less, and only a single person was interested in continuing the diet (but seeing the satisfaction rating, likely won't do so for long). Hardly surprising results given the short length of the study.
edit: and I say "suppressed", because I bet they once again didn't measure ACTUAL fasting LDL, e.g. after 36 hours of fasting when we KNOW LDL levels keep changing for well over the 12h of fasting
Great idea for a vegan attack add.
Problem with your “therefore the study is discredited due to bias” argument, the twin study also advocates NOT eating ultra processed food like fake meat burgers. One of its conclusions is that meat has an adverse affect on your health, but another key conclusion is that all forms of ultra. processed food, like meatless burgers, are also bad for you.
Bias?
No.
Great information
Thanks again Mike. Your hair is impressive!
Since Meat is a bigger market what tell me they dont pay for studies as well?
Right because the meat industry totally never finds mea positive studies 😂
Actually it was Stanford universtiy.
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These omissions are certainly deliberate.