Me: "Oh boy, Pan-American Battleships! I wonder if we'll be getting the Minas Geraes, Rivadavia, or Almirante Latorre? Hell, why not throw Riachuelo into the ring for something cool." WG: *Says that the Pan-American BB line is at Tier VIII, Tier IX, and Tier X.* Me: "Oh F*ck you WG!!!".
Welcome to the club, when the commonwealth Cruisers were announced I was excited to see HMCS Ontario in game as possibly a T8, seeing as she was a development of the Figi class, HMCS Prince Henry could have worked as the T2 or T3 of the line, and would have been a cool addition and nod to the role of the Commonwealth as a whole as merchantmen and the escorts of such. I'm sure the other Commonwealth countries are also salty that we had CAs forced on us when combined I think there was 6 CAs in the entire Commonwealth, as Britain had no faith in CAs, so they didn't really build any. When they do a Commonwealth DD line, Canada is already fucked because our two most important DDs are already in the game as premiums you can't acquire. So anyone new to the game is basically fucked if they want Haida or Huron. Even with the stats in game Haida being near perfect to serve as the T10 of a DD line with very minimal tweaks, and Huron would have made for a great T9. It's just a thing where Wargaming is going to do what Wargaming is going to do. It sucks but it is what it is.
@@Karth3n Haida is an amazing DD. She's basically got the best stealth in her MM range, paired with the crawling smoke and hydro while also having some of the best guns. It makes sense she's not available for sale anymore, but it also really sucks for anyone new to the game.
They already have the Viribis Unitis and the Karl Johan in the premium line, so not really a concept. More a "did they buy these? Good, let's make more" idea.
@@Norbrookc I think it's more testing the "Is giving them a torp reload booster a good idea" kind of thing. and they put it in the german line because _of course_ they're gonna sell it if it works, and they don't want it to compete with the Karl Johan.
@@Norbrookc it is classed as a BB however, and so is probably a peak at what WG wants to do with them. and a torp reload booster would lean into that. so idk.
@@bohba13 I know, but when you look at some of the heavy cruisers in other tech lines, there's really no difference. What I found was that if I played it as a battleship, it wasn't very good, but if I played it as a cruiser, it was. Basically, if they'd dropped it to tier 7 or 8, yeah, it's a decent battleship, but at tier 9, not so much.
What they _could_ have done somewhere would be basically a Littorio with bigger secondaries. If I remember correctly, Argentina considered buying a Littorio from Italy in the late 1930s.
Pretty sure you missed the section about the new Pan American commander that is coming as well, unless he's not in that devblog. I am looking forward to the antlantico line though, i was really hoping they'd do more ships like that.
The sub seems ridiculous in some aspects for the tier but it'd probably play like I-56 currently plays given it'll be entirely reliant on the dummy-fired torps and praying to Neptune not to run into an enemy DD. The rest of the tier 6 subs have a lot to be jealous of though, like the 31 knot surface speed or having alternative torpedoes period. Actually, just noticed this thing even has a main battery that fires SAP. It really is the tier 6 I-56.
What wargaming could do for tiers 5-7. For tier 5, they could have the alternate variant of the Rio class with 356 mm guns instead of 305s. the tier 6 could be the Almirante Latorre, which was a real steel battleship that was to built for Chilie, and armed with 356mm guns, Latorre was renamed Hms Canada during WW1 by the British before it was repurchased by Chilie in 1920. The tier 7 battleship could be the Brazilian Project 781 class battleships or the Riachuleo class battleships. Which was armed with 8, 15 inch guns which made it the powerfully armed battleship designed for the Brazilian navy.
Heinrich is T7 right? And only has one rack of torps, so an unlimited reload booster will just make it (Sigismund) on par with the existing T9 German BC. The wacky thing is the torpedo speed unless they also have the reduced damage of fast euro fish.
That German BB is for me alright ... and deep water torp from a SS, kind of made sense , but on the other hand am still wonder why SS at periscope or surfaced depth do not take hits from Deep Water torp ( from surface DD or Cruiser )
Prinz Sigismund torps sound like they're baiting the commander to expose broadside of his ship time after time after time...until eventually he gets slapped hard. Also, what are they going to nerf on that ship to balance the crazy torps? And it's not like she is just a big destroyer. You can't play her like that, or you WILL get slapped.
Some interesting ships in the near future is nice to see. Let’s see how they appear in the game cause the commonwealth’s addition has been extremely underwhelming!
The unlimited tor reload boost is probably less of an issue considering that is typically a 5 minute cool down and games last up to 20min. So at best 3 uses a game.
I'm sick and tired of "paper ships" that are more powerful than the real ones! They're really trying the patience of the "purest", aren't they. I'm still a little pissed off that they gave everyone a battleship Scharnhorst after I spent 90 bucks for one! And while we're on the subject, "Wargaming is really pretty stupid about the way they do things. Why didn't they give away a Battleship Gneisenau with the 11-inch guns that she actually had? This would have been a more unique ship then simply a Scharnhorst with a speed boost!
A Gneisenau with 11 inch guns is a Scharnhorst, no point in that. The 43 version of Scharnhorst also have shorter reload time on her torps for brawling, so they fine tuned Scharnhorst for Close Quarter Combat. Speed boost is for getting into close range. The good news is that there is a Ship exchange event going on at the moment, so if you are not satisfied with one or both of your Scharnorsts, you can exchange it for a new ship, or more likely a discount on a new ship, some them are ships you can not get normally.
HE maybe not but the german BB armor is pretty tanky against AP. Then there's the German BCs but they at least all have tools to deal with the bad armor. Still, I think this new mini line could be fun. The Pan-American cruisers are already a ton of fun so I am optimistic. Not overhyping them of course but there's potential.
@@maltemejlstrup4746 absolutely not. Turtleback Results in your citadel being a bit more Durable and basically invulnerable if not broadside, against same Tier Shops, but the Rest of the armor is butter. I do notice this when shooting at anything Else, my 38cms behave like peas, i shoot at a German BB, I pen. Or when I play other Nations. German BBs are the finest HP Piñatas
@@rudatkatzn9171 yeah, now German BBs not much playable, got Focus Fire, CV drop bomb, Burn to Death, now only good when smaller mode (Brawls and Rank), and for above reply, even armor can tank against AP but you will eat Full Pen , the problem is their dispersion troll 🤣Schlieffen main gun bruh, GK still consistent hit, Preussen has overmatch but ehh
@@rudatkatzn9171 Their armor is really not any worse than others at their tiers aside from having massive superstructures that take a ton of damage. GK would have pretty good armor if it wasn't for the superstructure.
@@maltemejlstrup4746 Their Sides are Juice. Like, I know that Broadside is really not advisable, but german battleships really seem to by high up on the list of prime-examples. I know this from own experience, both playing as and against german BBs, the latter also with non-german ones
So basically Atlantico on Steroids. I guess low gun range will be around Italian to Russian Main Battery Range. Which is literally average range for BBs. Unless WeeGee gives it 15km range.
They are not going to delete submarines period. WG has to much invested in the class, plus it lets them add new ships when they struggle to come up with new paper surface ships.
Not that it really matters, but Georg in German is pronounced Gay-org. And you're right, I wonder how we can keep the devs supplied with "the good stuff"?
Why the hell put a hypothetical version of a real historical ship instead of the actual real version!? Fucks sakes Wargaming just give me the Tre Kronor class cruisers already!!! xD
The submarine and Pan-american BB being better german BB are making me so damn angry at WG right now. Deep water torps are already bad for the game as they incentivize camping and having them on a sub? Even worse. And now we have a new line of CQC BB that just Power Crept the Schliffen and GK.
It fucking bothers me that wargaming gives out the F button like candy to every new ship, even at tier 10. Why wargaming? Even if you really want to do this, give every t10 a combat instruction or stop this ridiculous shit
so another submarines omgg ahh i'm still waiting for moment where there will be the french gun submarines and the japanes hibrith submarine and that's gone be the complet top of worthing this can happent if more submarines be in game this game be soon gone not playable ! submarines ar jus too much strong and wg to do nothing to fix this for yers so im sute this gone be end of existence.
Really man? That pronunciation... You cant just read stuff in an american way and expect it to sound about right! 😅 Let me help you: G in Georg is nothing like the english G... its not like the J in John its like the g in hug (both g). And the e is like the men. GE-ORG. And regular R not the amerikan rolling tongue R. Please say Hoff-mann with a like part/dart...
Playerbase: Can we have Atlantico in the shop?
WG: No, we have Altantico at home.
Atlantico at home:...
Me: "Oh boy, Pan-American Battleships! I wonder if we'll be getting the Minas Geraes, Rivadavia, or Almirante Latorre? Hell, why not throw Riachuelo into the ring for something cool."
WG: *Says that the Pan-American BB line is at Tier VIII, Tier IX, and Tier X.*
Me: "Oh F*ck you WG!!!".
Welcome to the club, when the commonwealth Cruisers were announced I was excited to see HMCS Ontario in game as possibly a T8, seeing as she was a development of the Figi class, HMCS Prince Henry could have worked as the T2 or T3 of the line, and would have been a cool addition and nod to the role of the Commonwealth as a whole as merchantmen and the escorts of such. I'm sure the other Commonwealth countries are also salty that we had CAs forced on us when combined I think there was 6 CAs in the entire Commonwealth, as Britain had no faith in CAs, so they didn't really build any.
When they do a Commonwealth DD line, Canada is already fucked because our two most important DDs are already in the game as premiums you can't acquire. So anyone new to the game is basically fucked if they want Haida or Huron. Even with the stats in game Haida being near perfect to serve as the T10 of a DD line with very minimal tweaks, and Huron would have made for a great T9.
It's just a thing where Wargaming is going to do what Wargaming is going to do. It sucks but it is what it is.
At least they should've made them T5 to T10. It would be the first non-branch BB with only T8 - T10
@Stephen__White glad I have the Huron, wish I had the Haida
@@Karth3n Haida is an amazing DD. She's basically got the best stealth in her MM range, paired with the crawling smoke and hydro while also having some of the best guns. It makes sense she's not available for sale anymore, but it also really sucks for anyone new to the game.
Historical ships: Nuh Uh
Goofy hightier paper ships: HELL YEAH!
They ranout of real ship prob
@@Santander_wows There is a LOT of historical ships missing in the game
I hate WG for this
@Filip1891_ yeah like 190 fletchers
@@Filip1891_ Agree , but if they made only real ships , ruskies would have empty dockyard 🤣🤣🤣
A SUBMARINE, With DEEPWATER Torpedos..... JESUS that is NASTY.
Wg moment for sure
what were sub torps before? Underwater torps?
but subs need deploy torp from long range for maximum dmg
@@admiral2430 Its still crack
Meanwhile the Surcouf: am I a joke to you?
I remember what a great contribution the Pan-American battleships made at D-Day...
Well, a (technically) chilean battleship fought at Jutland. Granted, they are probably not bringing Almirante Latorre in anytime soon, but still.
Almost as much glory achieved by the Russian navy, which was instrumental in ending WWW2.
@@ryanbrochu3336 ouch.
The napkin designs have reached their peak
Sounds like they might be concept testing a future pan-european BB line.
They already have the Viribis Unitis and the Karl Johan in the premium line, so not really a concept. More a "did they buy these? Good, let's make more" idea.
@@Norbrookc I think it's more testing the "Is giving them a torp reload booster a good idea" kind of thing. and they put it in the german line because _of course_ they're gonna sell it if it works, and they don't want it to compete with the Karl Johan.
@@bohba13 I regard the Karl Johan as a heavy cruiser, not a battleship.
@@Norbrookc it is classed as a BB however, and so is probably a peak at what WG wants to do with them. and a torp reload booster would lean into that. so idk.
@@bohba13 I know, but when you look at some of the heavy cruisers in other tech lines, there's really no difference. What I found was that if I played it as a battleship, it wasn't very good, but if I played it as a cruiser, it was. Basically, if they'd dropped it to tier 7 or 8, yeah, it's a decent battleship, but at tier 9, not so much.
What they _could_ have done somewhere would be basically a Littorio with bigger secondaries. If I remember correctly, Argentina considered buying a Littorio from Italy in the late 1930s.
WG: Nobody will complain about the new sub if nobody can properly pronounce its name.. 😏
Nice Phantom Menace reference at the end!!
I’m happy someone else noticed that!!
Pretty sure you missed the section about the new Pan American commander that is coming as well, unless he's not in that devblog. I am looking forward to the antlantico line though, i was really hoping they'd do more ships like that.
I love the Atlantico, my captain has been maxed for a while. I run the speed buff, she's kinda slow.
The sub seems ridiculous in some aspects for the tier but it'd probably play like I-56 currently plays given it'll be entirely reliant on the dummy-fired torps and praying to Neptune not to run into an enemy DD. The rest of the tier 6 subs have a lot to be jealous of though, like the 31 knot surface speed or having alternative torpedoes period.
Actually, just noticed this thing even has a main battery that fires SAP. It really is the tier 6 I-56.
The Georg Hoeffman is really peaking my interest, considering I'm a DD/BB main
Chinese submarine before the Soviet Submarine tech line?!?! They had so many submarines during ww2. Basically the bulk of the Soviet Navy.
I mean... It _was_ a Soviet sub. lol
Oh my gosh that Satsuma gameplay with those two depressing salvoes was a sorry sight
What wargaming could do for tiers 5-7.
For tier 5, they could have the alternate variant of the Rio class with 356 mm guns instead of 305s.
the tier 6 could be the Almirante Latorre, which was a real steel battleship that was to built for Chilie, and armed with 356mm guns, Latorre was renamed Hms Canada during WW1 by the British before it was repurchased by Chilie in 1920.
The tier 7 battleship could be the Brazilian Project 781 class battleships or the Riachuleo class battleships. Which was armed with 8, 15 inch guns which made it the powerfully armed battleship designed for the Brazilian navy.
I´m always happy to see secondary BBs added to the game. This dev vlog was going just fine until the Chinese sub news, with deep water torps no less.
Heinrich is T7 right? And only has one rack of torps, so an unlimited reload booster will just make it (Sigismund) on par with the existing T9 German BC. The wacky thing is the torpedo speed unless they also have the reduced damage of fast euro fish.
That German BB is for me alright ... and deep water torp from a SS, kind of made sense , but on the other hand am still wonder why SS at periscope or surfaced depth do not take hits from Deep Water torp ( from surface DD or Cruiser )
Prinz Sigismund torps sound like they're baiting the commander to expose broadside of his ship time after time after time...until eventually he gets slapped hard. Also, what are they going to nerf on that ship to balance the crazy torps? And it's not like she is just a big destroyer. You can't play her like that, or you WILL get slapped.
New German BB sounds like a barrel of laughs lol
Some interesting ships in the near future is nice to see. Let’s see how they appear in the game cause the commonwealth’s addition has been extremely underwhelming!
The unlimited tor reload boost is probably less of an issue considering that is typically a 5 minute cool down and games last up to 20min.
So at best 3 uses a game.
It says that it has a 70 second recharge in the devblog. So it's a LOT of Torpedo spam.
@cjfedler327 wow, must have missed that. That is alot of skill walls....
10 years waiting for a panam BB line! I hope/expect we can have Almirante Latorre. Regards from Chile!.
I'm sick and tired of "paper ships" that are more powerful than the real ones! They're really trying the patience of the "purest", aren't they. I'm still a little pissed off that they gave everyone a battleship Scharnhorst after I spent 90 bucks for one! And while we're on the subject, "Wargaming is really pretty stupid about the way they do things. Why didn't they give away a Battleship Gneisenau with the 11-inch guns that she actually had? This would have been a more unique ship then simply a Scharnhorst with a speed boost!
A Gneisenau with 11 inch guns is a Scharnhorst, no point in that. The 43 version of Scharnhorst also have shorter reload time on her torps for brawling, so they fine tuned Scharnhorst for Close Quarter Combat. Speed boost is for getting into close range.
The good news is that there is a Ship exchange event going on at the moment, so if you are not satisfied with one or both of your Scharnorsts, you can exchange it for a new ship, or more likely a discount on a new ship, some them are ships you can not get normally.
Finally, a new sub!
BB admiral latorre, british ship sold to chile 1920-1956
did they mention how many torps in a rack for the Prinz Sigismund?
I want to see the pre-level 8 Pan-American BBs.
The first sentence already made me jealous of the Pan-American BBs. German BBs maybe pack a punch but they definitely can't take them.
HE maybe not but the german BB armor is pretty tanky against AP. Then there's the German BCs but they at least all have tools to deal with the bad armor. Still, I think this new mini line could be fun. The Pan-American cruisers are already a ton of fun so I am optimistic. Not overhyping them of course but there's potential.
@@maltemejlstrup4746 absolutely not. Turtleback Results in your citadel being a bit more Durable and basically invulnerable if not broadside, against same Tier Shops, but the Rest of the armor is butter. I do notice this when shooting at anything Else, my 38cms behave like peas, i shoot at a German BB, I pen. Or when I play other Nations. German BBs are the finest HP Piñatas
@@rudatkatzn9171 yeah, now German BBs not much playable, got Focus Fire, CV drop bomb, Burn to Death,
now only good when smaller mode (Brawls and Rank), and for above reply, even armor can tank against AP but you will eat Full Pen , the problem is their dispersion troll 🤣Schlieffen main gun bruh, GK still consistent hit, Preussen has overmatch but ehh
@@rudatkatzn9171 Their armor is really not any worse than others at their tiers aside from having massive superstructures that take a ton of damage. GK would have pretty good armor if it wasn't for the superstructure.
@@maltemejlstrup4746 Their Sides are Juice. Like, I know that Broadside is really not advisable, but german battleships really seem to by high up on the list of prime-examples. I know this from own experience, both playing as and against german BBs, the latter also with non-german ones
The sub seems interesting. Its the only VI sub with alternative torps, and it has a busted top speed of 31kts. This thing is a VI gato but better?
Libertad finally a decent Chilean ship! Can't wait for the prem almirante Latorre
Getting a new, improved type of submarine is comparable to getting a new, improved form of Syphilis; Oh, Hooray!
Deep water torps, all it does is help kill other subs.... Oh no, the sky is falling.......
15k range for fast BB torps -and- unlimited reload boosters? Oh hell no... like there isn't enough torp spam in the game already
im wondering if we will get battleships where the secondarys will be bigger than normal but the main guns will be smaller as a result.
If the reload boost is unlimited then they could just have reduced the reload time of the torps in general.
but, but, GIMMICKS!!
"Low Main Gun Range", yet still has more range than both Lepanto and Cristoforo Colombo....
16:00 Georg: "gay-org" German vowels for the most part have consistent phonetics
16:28 SMS Frauenlob: fr"ow-in-lobe"
Prinz Sigismund sounds pretty funny, eh
l,adroit is probably 'ladrwa' in pronunciation
Correct
"their cocaine run out" lmao
lol up close in the current meta
So basically Atlantico on Steroids. I guess low gun range will be around Italian to Russian Main Battery Range. Which is literally average range for BBs. Unless WeeGee gives it 15km range.
why not give the german bb a 9 km detection range and smoke screen while their at it lul.
I don't think WG gets it. The DD and the Sub eliminated most BB close combat. We don't need any submersible turds........I mean subs.
My guess is the armour for the pan Asian is like the Russians
16,5 km is poor range? DM cries in the corner
Sounds pretty cool! Any word on deleting subs yet? Seriously though great work keeping me up-to-date on all things wows. Thank you my friend.
They are not going to delete submarines period. WG has to much invested in the class, plus it lets them add new ships when they struggle to come up with new paper surface ships.
Try pronouncing it's Ge-org Hoffmann.
I love the videos, but the German pronunciation makes me wince :)
it would be funny if pan american BB are better brawler than german BB line
The over-saturation of ships just screams of beating a dying horse.
Dying, not dead.
"Over-saturation of ships"? It's a warships game, lol.
They have to add new ships to keep the game interesting, or else the game will stagnate with everyone sailing the same ships for a long time/ever.
Not that it really matters, but Georg in German is pronounced Gay-org. And you're right, I wonder how we can keep the devs supplied with "the good stuff"?
Lesser of two Weevils, hahahahaha
Idc if the libertad is good or bad im going all in anyways, im chilean so thats why
In-comp-rubble
Not in-compare-able
Man they just really hate the American tech tree...
Iwami has 20k torps lol
tre kronor = 3 Crowns
Why the hell put a hypothetical version of a real historical ship instead of the actual real version!? Fucks sakes Wargaming just give me the Tre Kronor class cruisers already!!! xD
More battleships = good. More subs = very very bad.
Lesser of two weevils. lol
Hi Sea Lord... you have pronounced Georg wrong... it is georg
Yea don’t get Atlantico, got bad memory of Atlantico
Ah you must be got too close to one and get paid the price lol
@@avatarwarmech yes in the blitz version
@@avatarwarmech can guarantee that it is very broken in the blitz version that it caused a riot
@@blitzyeeter5766 oh yeah blitz is downright devious
@@avatarwarmech yea thankfully it's nerfed
Yeah, not looking forward to run away from that sub. All i can do. Subs suck
The submarine and Pan-american BB being better german BB are making me so damn angry at WG right now.
Deep water torps are already bad for the game as they incentivize camping and having them on a sub? Even worse.
And now we have a new line of CQC BB that just Power Crept the Schliffen and GK.
They will be used to kill other subs. You act as if they are some super weapon for a sub now, they arent.. Its just to help take out other subs.
Heinrich on crack
Georg would be pronounced as "gayYorg"
Are u a 40% dude?
Winrate? I think I’m at 55%
more buffed subs fo wg
JUST SAY NO!
Real Pan american ships existed, why this?
Pretty sure it's pronounced Gay-org
More glass cannons. Ugh
It fucking bothers me that wargaming gives out the F button like candy to every new ship, even at tier 10. Why wargaming? Even if you really want to do this, give every t10 a combat instruction or stop this ridiculous shit
so another submarines omgg ahh i'm still waiting for moment where there will be the french gun submarines and the japanes hibrith submarine and that's gone be the complet top of worthing this can happent if more submarines be in game this game be soon gone not playable ! submarines ar jus too much strong and wg to do nothing to fix this for yers so im sute this gone be end of existence.
Pronounce GEORG = "gay"+"org"
Really man? That pronunciation... You cant just read stuff in an american way and expect it to sound about right! 😅
Let me help you:
G in Georg is nothing like the english G... its not like the J in John its like the g in hug (both g). And the e is like the men. GE-ORG. And regular R not the amerikan rolling tongue R.
Please say Hoff-mann with a like part/dart...
Too many BB, not enough CA, CL and DD. Hell even Subs would be good. BB = most boring ship.
wrong opinion
No, more subs would not be good
No, there is enough CV and Subs. No more of those pls. We have too many He spammers.
You know what ship class is not enough? DDs.
@@tsuaririndoku
Only if isn't another Fletcher copy paste
Just to answer in kind and adequate stupidity
BBs = Coolest Ships
more subs!? more game-ruining subs... oh well.
They really arent, they are easy to kill and useless when close.