I worked in Finance 30 years. The CFA, FRM, and a lot of PhD’s are just over paid managers who can cram for test, but forget most of what they were tested on. 5 years into their jobs and they were still clueless how the bank operated, how interest rates are set, and how the bank funded it’s operations. It was even worse in the Investment & Portfolio areas of the bank when I did 2nd Line Model Validation. Some of the worse modeling practices were from CFA’s and PhDs! They all thought they were 1st class talent, but only 5% were actually any good.
For those in a hurry there was about a 9% rate of response out of 1,000 applications. 90% of the jobs were entry level. Of the 571 Jobs, avg was $48,000 Salary. Of the 92 Jobs that responded was $46,000. Thank you for making this video @ AJ.
Damn, this guy sent out 1000 resumes just for a good YT video, That's some real dedication! Awesome video, this gives me some practical perspective on the job market. Very useful stuff AJ
For the effort of submitting 1000 applications, you absolutely won my respect! I recently started look for a new position (FP&A) and I can share some datapoints/thoughts: 1. Interview process. Big tech companies tend to have a longer and more selective interview process - it took me roughly 1.5 months to complete 5+ rounds of interviews with one big tech firm; while it only took 1.5 weeks to land an offer with another fortune 1000 company for similar positions. So the effort required sometimes can play a big role in the process, and generally it’s worth the effort for young professionals to focus more on the quality vs quantity - that adds to your comment re: cover letter, thank you letter and etc. 2. Immigration status. It’s my observation that Whether or not an applicant needs visa sponsorship can play a big factor in Finance (it’s not a big issue in tech though as most tech companies are willing to sponsor). Would be curious to see how your result for “interview/acceptance rate” change if you make that distinction in application. :) Lastly I do want to add that I really enjoy watching your videos! They are so informative and helpful and getting more and more fun!
It's remains supercompetitive at the top employers like Blackstone or Goldman Sachs because they receive hundreds of applications for one entry level position. Even if everyone held the CFA with all three levels + a Stanford or Harvard MBA, not everyone would be able to land a job there -> supply and demand. Sad but true. At least, the CFA charter is relatively moderately priced.
Is there anyway you could release the exact resume that you use? It would be relevant to see what exact experience you listed/with what companies. Also- which school did you list for the new graduate? All of those would be huge factors that would play into it
I can tell you No Recruiter takes the time to read a cover letter. They only look at the top 25% of your resume and are only skimming it and it better be related to the job your applying for. Only recent experience is what they are after. Ditch the cover letter and objective statements. They’re outdated and useless.
Having passed cfa l2 but not having a degree from a 'prestigious' college, it's become so tough to find entry level finance roles in good companies with a decent pay. It's disheartening.
CFA’s are a dime a dozen and so are MBAs and even PhDs in finance. Even from the Ivy League colleges. My last manager had a CFA, FRM, Master Science from Yale and was an immigrant from Germany with a good German undergrad and he maxed out at middle level finance manager at top U.S. Bank. He jumped to a smaller institution where he is now Head of Model Risk on his way to Chief Risk Officer. Finance companies want PhD in Physics, Math, Engineering. People who can code Machine Learning and Artificial Intelligence. Sadly, colleges don’t tell or train there business students in this. Better to get your foot in door and build experience with any finance job that is legitimate , but relying on your CFA thinking you’ll get a Goldmans Sachs M&A job is not going to happen or the odds a extremely low.
As a professional I find the lecture vry incredible nd outstanding bt.there r limitations too in recruitment.To get skill nd trained worker is a difficult task though there r different Methodologies in recruitment process in brief.The concepts abt.the job applied should be clear cut rt.from the basic talent approach in nutshell in my views.Vry. inspiring nd useful lecture.Thanx👍
$50k/year for a finance job is incredibly depressing and confounding. Finance is supposed to be a high paying industry. Maybe only at the Morgan Stanleys and Goldman Sachs of the world.
I made 35k, 2 years ago my first finance job. I’m now making 95k at the same company just been promoted 3 times. There’s different types of finance jobs. Investment banking makes way more money than what I do but I make more hourly than investment bankers as I only do 35 hours a week. So there’s more work life balance
What this really illustrates is salary stagnation. In the early 1980s, starting finance salary was $25,000. In the early 1990s Starting salary was $35,000... Fast forward to now, $46,000. Based on inflation and cost of living alone, starting salary should be at least $80,000. My salary at a company 20+ years ago was $50,000 for a different type of role. Technicians for the same role today are offered a $50,000 salary, so no growth.
I got offered 70 + 5 sign at a job in the city at a top company, which is the exact entry offer my girlfriend's brother got 12 years ago when he started his finance career... it's pretty laughable how bad salaries have stalled.
Do you think you can share a template of your resume? I just completed my level I exam (waiting for results 🤞🏼) but have been struggling to find a job that will qualify me for the work experience needed from CFA. Anything will help greatly! Thank you for all your great content
Traditional Finance taught in University and CFA, FRM type roles are being phased out. If you’re a college student and want to get paid in finance, then get on a PhD Physics track were the curriculum teaches logic and machine learning and artificial intelligence. You’ll get an offer of $200k plus base typically ( bonus is the real money) right out of Uni if you pass the coding and logic interviews. All finance even M&A is going digital where companies are offering M&A type services online.
Very interesting on the 3-year side. Seems like analysts and people trying to go into a pure finance role aren't making nearly as much as their PWM counterparts. Imo a competent CFP should be able to pull $110,000 salaried remote with 3 years of experience these days. When I last sent a resume around I was pretty targeted and tapped my network a bit. CFP/CFA. Only sent out maybe 15 applications, got 19 interviews, had a new job within 5 weeks. I think that applying to 1,000 jobs your success rate is low because there is no way to demonstrate a career arc, and a lot of the stuff you apply for wont be a great fit.
I love hearing the “message the hiring manager” but most listings don’t giving one, and when looking into the company at all you never find them and if you do there’s 10+ and I’m sure as shit not messaging all 10+
how did you send 1000 aplications so quickly? it took me almost a week only for around 100 aplications considering most of the jobs like you to apply directly from their websites and not directly through indeed
What types of jobs did you apply for? You mention retail banking at around $18 an hour but how many were corporate finance vs lower wage jobs? The average salary you mention seems very low. Also which location did you put? Was this across the entire US? Thanks!
46k is so low i don't even know where to begin. Also this is the AVG, not median. so that's even worse lol. I'm not too sure which geographic region he applied for the jobs in but still that's so ass. the avg student is graduating with 30k debt and just to make 50-55k even adjusting these numbers for inflation is like one of the biggest slaps to the face. sad.
Next time use Hillary. I actually had a black kid in my class named Hillary when i was in elementary school. It was a boy. Hillary Clinton obviously, Hillary Banks from Fresh Prince, and I'm pretty sure theirs others.
Jon searching websites are ok if you have a lot of experience and know the buzz words that get picked up by the sofware. I work in finance for 28 years and can literally take a year or two off and come bank to the same firm without a problem making great money. I have a couple under grad degrees and MBA which helps a little growing the business and speaking to clients and their comptrollers. Other than that please don’t make fake resumes…you are wasting peoples valuable time and you might be gout someone who really needs work. Lori’s taste man, poor taste.
Did your resume said you were a CFA?
Same question! Also did you mention CFP?
I'd like to know as well
Sorry, I forgot to mention this in the video! I said I was an L2 candidate.
I worked in Finance 30 years. The CFA, FRM, and a lot of PhD’s are just over paid managers who can cram for test, but forget most of what they were tested on. 5 years into their jobs and they were still clueless how the bank operated, how interest rates are set, and how the bank funded it’s operations. It was even worse in the Investment & Portfolio areas of the bank when I did 2nd Line Model Validation. Some of the worse modeling practices were from CFA’s and PhDs! They all thought they were 1st class talent, but only 5% were actually any good.
@@onebridge7231 While those without such certificates and you of course nailed it.
For those in a hurry there was about a 9% rate of response out of 1,000 applications. 90% of the jobs were entry level.
Of the 571 Jobs, avg was $48,000 Salary.
Of the 92 Jobs that responded was $46,000.
Thank you for making this video @ AJ.
i clicked on this video not intending to watch it but to scroll the comments for information from it so thank u
Not all heroes wear capes
Damn, this guy sent out 1000 resumes just for a good YT video, That's some real dedication!
Awesome video, this gives me some practical
perspective on the job market. Very useful stuff AJ
I applied for 2,154 on LinkedIn before I got one.
Dakota Williams…nailed it man!😂
He for sure isn’t black lol
For the effort of submitting 1000 applications, you absolutely won my respect! I recently started look for a new position (FP&A) and I can share some datapoints/thoughts:
1. Interview process. Big tech companies tend to have a longer and more selective interview process - it took me roughly 1.5 months to complete 5+ rounds of interviews with one big tech firm; while it only took 1.5 weeks to land an offer with another fortune 1000 company for similar positions. So the effort required sometimes can play a big role in the process, and generally it’s worth the effort for young professionals to focus more on the quality vs quantity - that adds to your comment re: cover letter, thank you letter and etc.
2. Immigration status. It’s my observation that Whether or not an applicant needs visa sponsorship can play a big factor in Finance (it’s not a big issue in tech though as most tech companies are willing to sponsor). Would be curious to see how your result for “interview/acceptance rate” change if you make that distinction in application. :)
Lastly I do want to add that I really enjoy watching your videos! They are so informative and helpful and getting more and more fun!
This video did not get enough hype! Thank you for all of the work!
Thanks for watching!!
i am here in 2024, and all i can say is i am in awe of the work you put into making this video, and i appreciate you for making this video. thank you
Hi ! What entry job you suggest for a 0 experienceed person?
Thanks!
some next-level commitment and awesomeness
Foil hogs and arms reference was great btw.
My god, subbed. You make good content and this commitment is amazing
Thanks man.
Of course we liked this video!!
Thanks for the support man!
awesome video. thank you ! this job market is hard out here.
AJ your a legend!
It's remains supercompetitive at the top employers like Blackstone or Goldman Sachs because they receive hundreds of applications for one entry level position.
Even if everyone held the CFA with all three levels + a Stanford or Harvard MBA, not everyone would be able to land a job there -> supply and demand. Sad but true.
At least, the CFA charter is relatively moderately priced.
This is great 😂😂😂 I have been watching your videos for more than a year and never subscribed with this, you got a new subscriber
Thanks for subscribing!!!
Thanks for your research
Is there anyway you could release the exact resume that you use? It would be relevant to see what exact experience you listed/with what companies. Also- which school did you list for the new graduate? All of those would be huge factors that would play into it
I don’t want to show the resume since most of it is mine. But I changed the college. I said I went to North Carolina, a pretty good finance school.
@@straighttalks-ajsrmek323Lol try listing non target and you will get 0 responses
I can tell you No Recruiter takes the time to read a cover letter. They only look at the top 25% of your resume and are only skimming it and it better be related to the job your applying for. Only recent experience is what they are after. Ditch the cover letter and objective statements. They’re outdated and useless.
Having passed cfa l2 but not having a degree from a 'prestigious' college, it's become so tough to find entry level finance roles in good companies with a decent pay. It's disheartening.
@@WorldWideSk8boarding can you name a few target schools in canada to do a masters in finance ?
Is it at least possible to get a few good openings, even if they aren't from not so good companies?
Have you applied to the big 4?
CFA’s are a dime a dozen and so are MBAs and even PhDs in finance. Even from the Ivy League colleges. My last manager had a CFA, FRM, Master Science from Yale and was an immigrant from Germany with a good German undergrad and he maxed out at middle level finance manager at top U.S. Bank. He jumped to a smaller institution where he is now Head of Model Risk on his way to Chief Risk Officer. Finance companies want PhD in Physics, Math, Engineering. People who can code Machine Learning and Artificial Intelligence. Sadly, colleges don’t tell or train there business students in this. Better to get your foot in door and build experience with any finance job that is legitimate , but relying on your CFA thinking you’ll get a Goldmans Sachs M&A job is not going to happen or the odds a extremely low.
Wow, what a great idea! I really hope you get better success with number of views/likes for this video than with 9% success rate on your experiment!
Haha thank you!
It is Deere & Company ... "John Deere" is a trade name owned by Deere & Co.
Thank you, Rene.
Slow job market I've been looking the past 6 months!
About 10% is what I’d expect. Just like dating, it’s a numbers game baby.
Lol good point!
But unlike dating, you don't lose money and time
You couldn't be any more wrong 🤣
Reference to the office movie... the best
Great effort!
Great vid!
Good Job!
lmao there are housekeeping jobs right now paying 20-25 an hour #defundcollege
As a professional I find the lecture vry incredible nd outstanding bt.there r limitations too in recruitment.To get skill nd trained worker is a difficult task though there r different Methodologies in recruitment process in brief.The concepts abt.the job applied should be clear cut rt.from the basic talent approach in nutshell in my views.Vry. inspiring nd useful lecture.Thanx👍
Ok now do 1000 interviews to get us an idea of that process.
I'm on it lol
or maybe next "I Lived 1000 Lifetimes to See What Works Best"
Cool idea
9% call back rate for jobs paying 48k a year?
Take me out back to the woodchipper and end it. I dont wanna be here anymore..
LOL. It may be better given the current job market.
Great video! :-)
1,000 jobs is insane. Did you not do any cover letters? Cuz if you did, this would've taken months to complete.
Thanks for asking I need some advice about getting through ATS for the interviews. I do great in person but can't seem to get to that interview.
$50k/year for a finance job is incredibly depressing and confounding. Finance is supposed to be a high paying industry. Maybe only at the Morgan Stanleys and Goldman Sachs of the world.
entry level, 50k is good for entry level, that's around the national average income.
I made 35k, 2 years ago my first finance job. I’m now making 95k at the same company just been promoted 3 times. There’s different types of finance jobs. Investment banking makes way more money than what I do but I make more hourly than investment bankers as I only do 35 hours a week. So there’s more work life balance
@@shaneviola8848what do you do?
What this really illustrates is salary stagnation. In the early 1980s, starting finance salary was $25,000. In the early 1990s Starting salary was $35,000... Fast forward to now, $46,000. Based on inflation and cost of living alone, starting salary should be at least $80,000. My salary at a company 20+ years ago was $50,000 for a different type of role. Technicians for the same role today are offered a $50,000 salary, so no growth.
But look at how much richer CEOs are
I got offered 70 + 5 sign at a job in the city at a top company, which is the exact entry offer my girlfriend's brother got 12 years ago when he started his finance career... it's pretty laughable how bad salaries have stalled.
Supply and demand
Yea considering inflation it’s half less now…
Ty
Awesome!
Do you think you can share a template of your resume? I just completed my level I exam (waiting for results 🤞🏼) but have been struggling to find a job that will qualify me for the work experience needed from CFA. Anything will help greatly! Thank you for all your great content
Email me!
Pwc US hires from Pakistan expwcer senior associate on 90k!
Those of my seniors made it great I must say
Traditional Finance taught in University and CFA, FRM type roles are being phased out. If you’re a college student and want to get paid in finance, then get on a PhD Physics track were the curriculum teaches logic and machine learning and artificial intelligence. You’ll get an offer of $200k plus base typically ( bonus is the real money) right out of Uni if you pass the coding and logic interviews. All finance even M&A is going digital where companies are offering M&A type services online.
Now try this for Canada. You’ll be very surprised.
What would be different?
@@straighttalks-ajsrmek323 response rate
@@straighttalks-ajsrmek323 Having lived in both Quebec and Nova Scotia I would suspect the answer would be YES.
Very interesting on the 3-year side. Seems like analysts and people trying to go into a pure finance role aren't making nearly as much as their PWM counterparts. Imo a competent CFP should be able to pull $110,000 salaried remote with 3 years of experience these days. When I last sent a resume around I was pretty targeted and tapped my network a bit. CFP/CFA. Only sent out maybe 15 applications, got 19 interviews, had a new job within 5 weeks. I think that applying to 1,000 jobs your success rate is low because there is no way to demonstrate a career arc, and a lot of the stuff you apply for wont be a great fit.
Yea, I agree about the CFP salary. Plus remember for my test the apps were very impersonal.
For the 42/500 you were perceived as over-qualified (I.e. too expensive).
Yea that very well could be.
venus is closer to the sun than mercury tho😂
No, its not.
what about u guys, do you have more or less than 9% interview rate? I have more and I am not even in finance so i am surprised
Max was here
I love hearing the “message the hiring manager” but most listings don’t giving one, and when looking into the company at all you never find them and if you do there’s 10+ and I’m sure as shit not messaging all 10+
Then you might lost out on the job to the person who does message all 10+
how did you send 1000 aplications so quickly? it took me almost a week only for around 100 aplications considering most of the jobs like you to apply directly from their websites and not directly through indeed
All through Indeed!
The bottom line is that they did not want to pay "Dakota Williams" the higher salary.
Tech companies are having hiring freeze. Same thing for finance?
Not at the moment!
Absolutely couldn't believe you did this! Also did you mention you've cleared CFA?
Great question! I forgot to mention this in the video. I said I was a L2 candidate.
@@straighttalks-ajsrmek323 thanks bud! Still can't believe you did 1,000 job applications! You don't even need a job LoL
For these 1,000 jobs that you applied to, how many different companies would you say you looked at?
Maybe 300
Did you mention where you applied for jobs? Mostly through indeed, or linked in? Great video!
Yea I did, mostly through Indeed.
What types of jobs did you apply for? You mention retail banking at around $18 an hour but how many were corporate finance vs lower wage jobs? The average salary you mention seems very low. Also which location did you put? Was this across the entire US? Thanks!
Mostly entry level "normal" jobs. Not Wall St banking jobs. And yes around most of the country.
46k is so low i don't even know where to begin. Also this is the AVG, not median. so that's even worse lol. I'm not too sure which geographic region he applied for the jobs in but still that's so ass. the avg student is graduating with 30k debt and just to make 50-55k even adjusting these numbers for inflation is like one of the biggest slaps to the face. sad.
You have to be a 10 of 10 talent. So, you do not have to participate in any CFA exam to be recruited.
Next time use Hillary. I actually had a black kid in my class named Hillary when i was in elementary school. It was a boy. Hillary Clinton obviously, Hillary Banks from Fresh Prince, and I'm pretty sure theirs others.
Have you done a resume video for this video? It would help me out.
No but I could do that. What are you thinking?
Man this was like me in real life hahahaha
Were the interviews conducted online or on-site?
Online or via phone call.
Please make video on cpa
Greate
Jon searching websites are ok if you have a lot of experience and know the buzz words that get picked up by the sofware. I work in finance for 28 years and can literally take a year or two off and come bank to the same firm without a problem making great money. I have a couple under grad degrees and MBA which helps a little growing the business and speaking to clients and their comptrollers. Other than that please don’t make fake resumes…you are wasting peoples valuable time and you might be gout someone who really needs work. Lori’s taste man, poor taste.
Excelent video
Don’t waste the resources
crazy to think he could have helped a friend (or 2) get a great job, but prefered to send 500 fake resumes instead :(
Is this a 1.D misconduct violation?
Exactly how?
Nope.
Not a chance