lol strange - someone spread the rumor that it never worked. I think it was someone pretty respectable, I am guilty of that too.. so i spread the rumor too
i would add 1 more important thing, if you sneak up and u didnt get spotted, but enemy fires blind shot , like with mg42 and hits you, you will be visible for a few sec, but the few sec doesnt matter becouse other will kill your sneaky capping soldier
Thankyou for sharing the insight. Very good presentation. The Dev's done a good job including the feature in the game. Worth a tryout in Skirmish mode for those of us who dont have the perf in MP yet. The Officer with 50 (5x10) will be air dropping crates first up I suspect. Somewhere back in skirmish? I noted some tanks had smoke grenades . Their use will add to the game dynamics. Can be used to be a rouse if nothing else, where micro is not a strong point. -Hag
I watch all of your tutorial videos and thanks to them I improved a lot in the game. Thank you for creating these videos. My question is, can you do more tutorials on other nations and different openings/tactics please?
Holy Smoke!But i am pretty sure it worked in AS1,maybe not same as now,but for infantry cover it did.I think that MYTH that it doesn't work came from two effect: 1)AI can't see you but player CAN and will react and "force" shot in smoke and 2)people expected they trow smoke,not waited smoke to form,go in and expected they can kill everything and everybody without being killed...IT doesn't work that way so people start shouting "it is broken,it doesn't work"...I am sure it work cause i test it on infantry and you can get "point blank" close but without shooting (obviously) You can test it in AS1 if you disagree. As of usage,it is pretty good for capping zone from enemy,giving better chances then with out it,so it CAN be used offensively.And there is a heavy arty with big smoke shells so you can make great smoke screen from safety before you move your boys in. Great video btw,think it will change gameplay in AS2 big time. P.S. Sorry for my English :)
someone spread the rumor that it never worked. I think it was someone pretty respectable, I am guilty of that too.. so i spread the rumor too.. lolll RE definately think it may be of use in big team games when arty becomes useful. Once they allow 5v5 up i see maybe i can try arty ones.
Strat29 Well,even with out of arty grenade can be useful in urban environment in streets where side view is harder to brake smoke mechanic,like Tram depot or Suburban map.I can't wait to see some "smoke action" in one of yours next video :)
Never played multiplayer, different creature. I like the micro static game myself, and I use smoke as much as anything else thrown by hand. If someone used smoke on me in multiplayer I would defo shit the bed. But they wouldn't need smoke to kill me haha. Typically, in single player of course, if I am not in the best position to just approach a tank's blind side or if other units are nearby, I throw a smoke or two on a standing tank (either damaged or engaged) and if I crack the hull with AT grenades or AT rocket I then throw a molotov if they are handy to kill the crew quickly as they exit. I also use smoke to plant dynamite on tanks that have rear MGs, cos planting an explosive at the rear under the engine will most of the time completely destroy the tank, or cause a fire, and that destroys the tank. One guy with enough smoke and an explosive can destroy every tank that comes his way if it can be stopped near him, then fish out more dynamite from the wreck for the next tank. Crouching smoker, hidden stoker.
lol, they really need to fix it :( still performance issues. But will be a good game once they do. Latest patch has made the game unplayable for 3v3. Waiting on another patch
Wow. Smoke works surprisingly well. I am not sure how practical it will be though. With the nearly 5 second delay plus the fact that you have to throw multiple. Your enemy is getting 20-30 seconds to react to whatever your doing. They could run their own guys into the smoke very easily in that time. They could also, back their tank away from the smoke if you are trying to use it offensively. I can really only see this being useful offensively against tracked tanks.
hmmm im really doubtful of the benefits of any offensive. But I can imagine using this to put it around my tank when its broken.. or when I want to peekaboo shot
i've used smoke tons of times to take over a zone while under heavy fire. just crawl one guy in with hold fire. and have rest keep throwing smoke and grenades at assaults.
its definitely not a placebo, though a real match would have the enemy infantry much more spread out, making it less likely to work. Now I'm interested in how effective the smoke shells for artillery are.
True you have to block all the enemy infantry LOS for it to be effective. I see it definately working for your tank defense though. You could just smoke around your tank without worrying about enemy infantry LOS. This is something I will defianately use. Hmmm I can see arty smokes in team games being effective, bigger ones though where arty might be useful. But damn they take way to long to reload. You gotta be pretty damn confident the smoke shell will work in conjuction to your tank attack to waste a barrage on that.
Strat29 Arty and smoke rounds seem only to give enough cover if at least two guns are drilling the same place, cos the shots can stray a bit, but sometimes just approaching from the direction that is covered by smoke from arty is enough to close enough for the Banzai
Strat29 or using smoke to move an at gun or t.d to flank a track tank ,but i guess it all comes down to the speed of the game i;e waiting for smoke to plume enough but most times using smoke against a good player is advertising a warning signal that your opponent is up to something
a may + how are you managing to even get this game to run without crashing/lagging/d.cing and setting your computer desk on fire ? such a shame it feels like it is 6 months away for finished,so many new players must try it out and with all the performance problems leave and uninstall
a may umm everyone has to have low settings and good computers. So I only inhouse :/ last patch made it unplayble with pijngs.. so i havent played for a week.really really disapointing. I dislike dms because of this :( my fav game is not looking too good to nuture a good community
a may hmm you have to know the settings to set. Plus its direct IP. Alot of the players in my game don't have good pcs. Direct IP makes a huge difference.
Then the devs would have to implement a sound-based detection system, because you can't call a situation when a tank can sneak up on you in a smoke completely undetected realistic.
Yes, many German tanks had smoke grenade launchers installed by default, but they were usually removed in the field because incoming small arms fire could ignite them, blinding the crew and supporting infantry. Obviously not the desired effect.
+Takemikazuchi 00 I use it as scare tactics! When a tank comes killing my troops and I have no means of countering it I drop 2 smoke nades making a path to the tank, and your first instinct is to get it out of danger so he stops killing my men for some time
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I always use them when building sandbags early game, the work brilliantly. Never understood why nobody uses them.
lol strange - someone spread the rumor that it never worked. I think it was someone pretty respectable, I am guilty of that too.. so i spread the rumor too
And no one tried to nade ur smokes, really?
6 years old comment oof
@@benismann dont worry game snt dead
nice tip
Again a wonderful analysis of the mechanics. Not only did u test how smoke works. U also checked if it is practical ingame. Great job.
Thank you once again.
i think it would be much more useful in fast pace combat if the smoke also reduce accuracy of fires through them
The sad thing is when you used a mod examples like GSM and Ultimate W40K. The smoke is not covering the units.
i would add 1 more important thing, if you sneak up and u didnt get spotted, but enemy fires blind shot , like with mg42 and hits you, you will be visible for a few sec, but the few sec doesnt matter becouse other will kill your sneaky capping soldier
Next video:
How to properly use Anti tank rifles.
The sgt:
This is a anti tank rifle, there is a tank, figure out.
Thankyou for sharing the insight. Very good presentation. The Dev's done a good job including the feature in the game. Worth a tryout in Skirmish mode for those of us who dont have the perf in MP yet. The Officer with 50 (5x10) will be air dropping crates first up I suspect. Somewhere back in skirmish? I noted some tanks had smoke grenades . Their use will add to the game dynamics. Can be used to be a rouse if nothing else, where micro is not a strong point. -Hag
my favorite grenade lol, especailly in casual games with my friends, get as many smokes as possbile and throw them everywhere
I watch all of your tutorial videos and thanks to them I improved a lot in the game. Thank you for creating these videos. My question is, can you do more tutorials on other nations and different openings/tactics please?
you must try out the arty smoke shells Mr Strat!still found this very usefull thx!
hehe yep i dislike arty for 4v4 and under :)) especially in AS2 30CP lol...
Will try it in a 5v5 once its available :)
beautiful thank you very usefull and amazing
Holy Smoke!But i am pretty sure it worked in AS1,maybe not same as now,but for infantry cover it did.I think that MYTH that it doesn't work came from two effect:
1)AI can't see you but player CAN and will react and "force" shot in smoke and
2)people expected they trow smoke,not waited smoke to form,go in and expected they can kill everything and everybody without being killed...IT doesn't work that way so people start shouting "it is broken,it doesn't work"...I am sure it work cause i test it on infantry and you can get "point blank" close but without shooting (obviously)
You can test it in AS1 if you disagree.
As of usage,it is pretty good for capping zone from enemy,giving better chances then with out it,so it CAN be used offensively.And there is a heavy arty with big smoke shells so you can make great smoke screen from safety before you move your boys in.
Great video btw,think it will change gameplay in AS2 big time.
P.S. Sorry for my English :)
someone spread the rumor that it never worked. I think it was someone pretty respectable, I am guilty of that too.. so i spread the rumor too.. lolll
RE definately think it may be of use in big team games when arty becomes useful. Once they allow 5v5 up i see maybe i can try arty ones.
Strat29
Well,even with out of arty grenade can be useful in urban environment in streets where side view is harder to brake smoke mechanic,like Tram depot or Suburban map.I can't wait to see some "smoke action" in one of yours next video :)
Never played multiplayer, different creature. I like the micro static game myself, and I use smoke as much as anything else thrown by hand. If someone used smoke on me in multiplayer I would defo shit the bed. But they wouldn't need smoke to kill me haha.
Typically, in single player of course, if I am not in the best position to just approach a tank's blind side or if other units are nearby, I throw a smoke or two on a standing tank (either damaged or engaged) and if I crack the hull with AT grenades or AT rocket I then throw a molotov if they are handy to kill the crew quickly as they exit.
I also use smoke to plant dynamite on tanks that have rear MGs, cos planting an explosive at the rear under the engine will most of the time completely destroy the tank, or cause a fire, and that destroys the tank.
One guy with enough smoke and an explosive can destroy every tank that comes his way if it can be stopped near him, then fish out more dynamite from the wreck for the next tank. Crouching smoker, hidden stoker.
Holy shit! I always wished there was significant effect from smoke in AS1! Makes me even more determined to buy AS2 soon.
lol, they really need to fix it :( still performance issues. But will be a good game once they do. Latest patch has made the game unplayable for 3v3. Waiting on another patch
Wow. Smoke works surprisingly well.
I am not sure how practical it will be though. With the nearly 5 second delay plus the fact that you have to throw multiple. Your enemy is getting 20-30 seconds to react to whatever your doing. They could run their own guys into the smoke very easily in that time. They could also, back their tank away from the smoke if you are trying to use it offensively.
I can really only see this being useful offensively against tracked tanks.
hmmm im really doubtful of the benefits of any offensive. But I can imagine using this to put it around my tank when its broken.. or when I want to peekaboo shot
Does the smoke actuelly work in the main mutlimod (robz,valour) i think not, what do you think ? If u still play mowas
Im going to start using it to set up AT guns in range of tanks without being knocked out.
i've used smoke tons of times to take over a zone while under heavy fire. just crawl one guy in with hold fire. and have rest keep throwing smoke and grenades at assaults.
its definitely not a placebo, though a real match would have the enemy infantry much more spread out, making it less likely to work.
Now I'm interested in how effective the smoke shells for artillery are.
True you have to block all the enemy infantry LOS for it to be effective.
I see it definately working for your tank defense though. You could just smoke around your tank without worrying about enemy infantry LOS. This is something I will defianately use.
Hmmm I can see arty smokes in team games being effective, bigger ones though where arty might be useful. But damn they take way to long to reload. You gotta be pretty damn confident the smoke shell will work in conjuction to your tank attack to waste a barrage on that.
Strat29 Arty and smoke rounds seem only to give enough cover if at least two guns are drilling the same place, cos the shots can stray a bit, but sometimes just approaching from the direction that is covered by smoke from arty is enough to close enough for the Banzai
Quick escape from infantry killers? Smoke allows.
hmmm not sure about that one cause it takes 4-5 seconds to take effect :(
is this still working as expected? Any nerf?
lol this is crazy, but you really can't count on where the enemy has infantry in battle, but still this is gonna be very useful
true :)
Winterwolf Panzerkampf dumbass
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thx
very interesting might be handy for getting at guns moved up into range so you can get in the crucial 1st shot ?
That's actually a good idea. Smoking around your AT gun so it disapears quickly after a shot too. I will definately try this for a ambush
Strat29
or using smoke to move an at gun or t.d to flank a track tank ,but i guess it all comes down to the speed of the game i;e waiting for smoke to plume enough but most times using smoke against a good player is advertising a warning signal that your opponent is up to something
a may
+ how are you managing to even get this game to run without crashing/lagging/d.cing and setting your computer desk on fire ?
such a shame it feels like it is 6 months away for finished,so many new players must try it out and with all the performance problems leave and uninstall
a may umm everyone has to have low settings and good computers. So I only inhouse :/ last patch made it unplayble with pijngs.. so i havent played for a week.really really disapointing. I dislike dms because of this :( my fav game is not looking too good to nuture a good community
a may hmm you have to know the settings to set. Plus its direct IP. Alot of the players in my game don't have good pcs. Direct IP makes a huge difference.
Didn't some tanks in WWII have smokers installed as a standard? Shouldn't this be included in the game?
I will ask for it
That would allow for some more realism and could actually save you tanks if they can mask how you're angling.
Then the devs would have to implement a sound-based detection system, because you can't call a situation when a tank can sneak up on you in a smoke completely undetected realistic.
fillosof66689 You'd have to balancy it of course. Like you're only allowed to use it once.
Yes, many German tanks had smoke grenade launchers installed by default, but they were usually removed in the field because incoming small arms fire could ignite them, blinding the crew and supporting infantry. Obviously not the desired effect.
best tutorial yet
thx
RE video, sent unfortunately i cannot watch twitch properly. It keeps freezing, if you can upload to youtube i can do it!
Strat29
ill try but you should be able to just pause it until it buffers
ciarangj ahhh your right.. lol I was thinking it was live.. i feel so silly. let me try again soon
it works in AS1
someone spread the rumor that it never worked. I think it was someone pretty respectable, I am guilty of that too.. so i spread the rumor too
Alex Kang no it doesn’t
Mass snipers + smokes?
high micro :) i suppose you can tell where the sniper is coming from by the smoke.
Does it work vs AI ?
Doctor Thrax yep
Tanks should be given smoke shells.
True
I think i'ts can use as decoy too.
+Takemikazuchi 00 I use it as scare tactics! When a tank comes killing my troops and I have no means of countering it I drop 2 smoke nades making a path to the tank, and your first instinct is to get it out of danger so he stops killing my men for some time
The sounds youre making with Your mouth are disguting, thanks for the vid very instructive