Hey Hera! It's me again, Mister Semper. What you describe as the "ELO Hell" of games being all very hard and stressful but not being able to play with the real "Pros" is exactly what I am experiencing at 1200 ELO - only that the "Pros" start for me at 1600. The grind is very hard. And going from 1.000 ELO to 1.200 ELO might not seem too much of a task. But in order to get there you have to overtake 20.000 (!!!) people. And starting at around 1150 ELO, I can guarantee you that pretty much EVERY player is competitive to a certain degree. Climbing from 1150 to 1200 took me almost a year alone.
I’m that 1600 ”pro” you are talking about 11 Think 11-1200s are lacking some eco macro and execution. Check your hotkeys to make sure you play optimally. Keep creating vills and try to never having them go idle, and put them on the resources you’re gonna need so you don’t float res. Research town watch for some extra help. In case your map is too open to wall, try preparing just a house or a couple of palisade bits to make it easier to quick wall in case enemy comes raiding fast. Scout more and make sure you see what building they go for. Try to keep whereabouts of enemy army and how large the army is. Try thinking about a win condition for your civ vs that civ. Use the market when appropriate to get faster up times. If you have a combination of great eco macro and market abuse then you can get timings that the enemy cannot stop. Realize that the enemies your Elo is also struggling with APM. If you can find moments to harass your enemy during a hectic time, then you can put more time on your own macro, since he cannot. Hope that gives you some ideas
@@alltmisc Thanks man! I already do pretty much all of that. But keeping in the back of my mind that there must be a certain win condition, is actually a really good thing to think about in the future. Because to be honest, I often do not even know my win condition. Like what is my win condition when I play Mayans vs Cumans on Arena?
@@lukasvideosify1596 I highly doubt you do all of that. I'm 1400 and I am not even close to having efficient eco or constant vill production. Neither are my peers.
@@lukasvideosify1596 Specifically to your question: Tower rush into castle drop on his face, take relics with map control you got and pray to lord daut you do enough dmg to end the game or get to el dorado eagle/arb or Halb/arb after a subsequent eco-boom of your own and 5 relics. I had similar with Mayans vs ethiopeans recently and this was enough for me to win. 5 relics in lategame is enough of an advantage for most civs with optimal comps :) (am 1700, for some context*)
i don't know what do you think hera but 14:02 if you notice there, there is gold , stone and wood near t90's tcs. and teutonic knights are low gold cost meaning if you drop a castle ranging that wood, gold and stone as well as almost ranging the two TCS it would be instant win for redphosphru
@hera Teuton knight is like "am i a joke to you ?" Just a pro tip" low elo pro tip" taken in context straight out of spieit of the law book. If you want the highest building dmt units in the game, teutonic kn8ght and shotels sfe on the top up there. Only difference is teutonic knight can't be stopped by feudel archers unlike shotel. So in that sense if you catch an opponent offguard with teutonic knights which i did twice in rankes so far, i dropped the caste at military buildings "like archers ranges and a few teotonic knights can destroy fastet than a bunch villagers can gather
Fun game, great cast! Tbh, i still feel like calling T90 just "a solid player" misses the mark. The dude is fluctuating between top 100 and top 150 in a ladder with over 40k active players, and the top 100 including quite some repeat accounts. Additionally a even more casual base of regular players of likely somewhere between 100k and 1 million (hinted towards by microsoft and available data). Map that onto a popular sport like Soccer, and you have him playing in a decent team on the national level, just maybe not first league. There we also have people calling them bad players etc. whilst completely ignoring how much of an achievement that is, especially for someone not being an active pro (and t90 mainly still is a caster) and how strong those people are in comparison to almost everyone below their level and how surprisingly close they are to the actual top dogs.
Monks will be just easy targets for scouts. Anyway FC into TK with 6 farms looks kinda joke strategy. Rather FC into pike+monk+siege have more chances for success.
In my experience, Castle in the face hell: 990 - 1180 Elo. Whether is arena or not, I always brace for a castle foundation to be built outside of my town, at some point in the game. Almost every single game. Opponents "thinking process": Arzenal is pushing? Maybe building a forward castle will make him retreat. Arzenal playing a defensive boomy game? Best time to build a forward castle. I mean, it works roughly 50% of the time, so that's why I am in the Elo bracket that I am 11.
Arzenal is commenting on youtube, quick he is distracted Castle his base. On serious note besides usual tips like feudal archer rush to counter it maybe some palisade walls/buildings to protect usual targets for castle drop could help, make it impossible to drop 4x4 foundation next to your TC once you spot that he is mining stone a lot.
this could never have worked, except against a noob. 1) scout the enemy. see teutonic knights. pump monks. you win. 2) plus rams. add knights. still win.
“You’re not low enough for games to be fun or casual” Brother I’m in 400 Elo, I’m terrible. None of my matches are even close. The only times I win are either because of trolls or a guy just ego quits because I destroy their forward castle. P.S. I am fully aware I’m terrible at the game.
He only got that far because T90 was late to adding siege. Mangonels make it impossible to push with just TTKs and rams, and he lacked the eco to win a mangonel war.
@@flamingosedai1820 Because he is 15vills and one TC behind T90. T90 just takes relics, gets to imp first and then just ends the game with knights + camel archers (or handcannons). There is absolutely nothing that phosphoru can do to catch up.
@@genericUsernameNo5 Seems anticlimactic and not very fun to play using that strat. IDK I just want to play Sim City and Treb down my opponent's base LOL (or get trebbed down).
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Please keep casting these low elo games. Helps a lot!
T90 isnt low elo I believe
@@jahnmark2864Woosh
Shoutout to hera for shedding some light on these low elo legends
🤣🤣
brutal lol
Great scouting by T90, "it's not paranoia if they really are making siege behind your base" :^) 10:40
Of course man it isn't paranoia if the conspiracy theory is true :).
15:45 hera encouraging red phosphoru to continue playing and boom while distracting t90 when he lost 5 knights for free 😂😂
The “test fight” at the end was the cherry on top!
I think Phosphoru's intention is to test his strategy with every civ of the game, thus a tier list of him that is currently incomplete.
Ooh, I would like a tier list from him.
teutonic knights having innate heresy would be cool and make them more usable lol
Ooo that’s a super interesting idea! Bit more balanced than just not being convertible.
Or give it a high resistance
That was fun to listen to you cast a T90 game...thank you!
Hey Hera!
It's me again, Mister Semper.
What you describe as the "ELO Hell" of games being all very hard and stressful but not being able to play with the real "Pros" is exactly what I am experiencing at 1200 ELO - only that the "Pros" start for me at 1600.
The grind is very hard.
And going from 1.000 ELO to 1.200 ELO might not seem too much of a task.
But in order to get there you have to overtake 20.000 (!!!) people.
And starting at around 1150 ELO, I can guarantee you that pretty much EVERY player is competitive to a certain degree.
Climbing from 1150 to 1200 took me almost a year alone.
I’m that 1600 ”pro” you are talking about 11
Think 11-1200s are lacking some eco macro and execution. Check your hotkeys to make sure you play optimally. Keep creating vills and try to never having them go idle, and put them on the resources you’re gonna need so you don’t float res.
Research town watch for some extra help. In case your map is too open to wall, try preparing just a house or a couple of palisade bits to make it easier to quick wall in case enemy comes raiding fast.
Scout more and make sure you see what building they go for. Try to keep whereabouts of enemy army and how large the army is. Try thinking about a win condition for your civ vs that civ.
Use the market when appropriate to get faster up times. If you have a combination of great eco macro and market abuse then you can get timings that the enemy cannot stop.
Realize that the enemies your Elo is also struggling with APM. If you can find moments to harass your enemy during a hectic time, then you can put more time on your own macro, since he cannot.
Hope that gives you some ideas
Its like with the sport running, you get faster but it doesn't get easier. :D
@@alltmisc Thanks man!
I already do pretty much all of that.
But keeping in the back of my mind that there must be a certain win condition, is actually a really good thing to think about in the future.
Because to be honest, I often do not even know my win condition.
Like what is my win condition when I play Mayans vs Cumans on Arena?
@@lukasvideosify1596 I highly doubt you do all of that. I'm 1400 and I am not even close to having efficient eco or constant vill production. Neither are my peers.
@@lukasvideosify1596 Specifically to your question: Tower rush into castle drop on his face, take relics with map control you got and pray to lord daut you do enough dmg to end the game or get to el dorado eagle/arb or Halb/arb after a subsequent eco-boom of your own and 5 relics. I had similar with Mayans vs ethiopeans recently and this was enough for me to win. 5 relics in lategame is enough of an advantage for most civs with optimal comps :) (am 1700, for some context*)
Is it only me that saw Hera lick his lips at 10:56? 11. "Damn, that guy is insane" *proceeds to drool*
Finally broke 1400 Elo yday!! I know its still not high but it was fun getting there. Elo hell for me was 1100-1300
I think the strat of t90 was based in the amount of replays he casted from phosforus, he has the intel to deal with the strats
What a cool game! Love these ranked game casts!
T90(probably): Hera... How DARE you come into MY HOUSE
16:02 Hera watching Suits 11
Love these coverage
i don't know what do you think hera but 14:02 if you notice there, there is gold , stone and wood near t90's tcs. and teutonic knights are low gold cost meaning if you drop a castle ranging that wood, gold and stone as well as almost ranging the two TCS it would be instant win for redphosphru
Can't drop a castle with just vils when your enemy has scouts running around there
Elo hell is more like when you practice so much and still lose most of your games. Rip
@hera
Teuton knight is like "am i a joke to you ?"
Just a pro tip" low elo pro tip" taken in context straight out of spieit of the law book.
If you want the highest building dmt units in the game, teutonic kn8ght and shotels sfe on the top up there. Only difference is teutonic knight can't be stopped by feudel archers unlike shotel.
So in that sense if you catch an opponent offguard with teutonic knights which i did twice in rankes so far, i dropped the caste at military buildings "like archers ranges and a few teotonic knights can destroy fastet than a bunch villagers can gather
2:00 if Hardy ever happens to see this we need a meme short of this clip and every blunder t90s ever made lol
Brutal game!
Fun game, great cast!
Tbh, i still feel like calling T90 just "a solid player" misses the mark. The dude is fluctuating between top 100 and top 150 in a ladder with over 40k active players, and the top 100 including quite some repeat accounts. Additionally a even more casual base of regular players of likely somewhere between 100k and 1 million (hinted towards by microsoft and available data). Map that onto a popular sport like Soccer, and you have him playing in a decent team on the national level, just maybe not first league.
There we also have people calling them bad players etc. whilst completely ignoring how much of an achievement that is, especially for someone not being an active pro (and t90 mainly still is a caster) and how strong those people are in comparison to almost everyone below their level and how surprisingly close they are to the actual top dogs.
T90 is probably the best aoe2 player that also happens to be a Florida man.
Have you seen "Imam Ali's beautiful entertainment" by Ali Reza Panahian?
Red should have went monks with his TK. They can just stand outside the TC range and heal TKs while they eat the TC, and they also win atonement wars
No time or eco for that in this strat.
not true, 2 less knight, 1 less ram equals 2 monks
Monks will be just easy targets for scouts. Anyway FC into TK with 6 farms looks kinda joke strategy. Rather FC into pike+monk+siege have more chances for success.
It is Elo, not ELO btw ;) It is named after the guy who invented the system, not an abbreviation.
go outside nerd
@@1Goldie 2
I know that, caps is for emphasis
@@HeraAgeofEmpires2 the perfect cover story 🕵
@@HeraAgeofEmpires2 Today I learned that HELL is not an abbreviation either
Unconvertible makes sense. They are arguably the most 'purest' of units.
Oh how the tables have turned
What about countering all in with another all in?
In my experience, Castle in the face hell: 990 - 1180 Elo. Whether is arena or not, I always brace for a castle foundation to be built outside of my town, at some point in the game. Almost every single game. Opponents "thinking process": Arzenal is pushing? Maybe building a forward castle will make him retreat. Arzenal playing a defensive boomy game? Best time to build a forward castle. I mean, it works roughly 50% of the time, so that's why I am in the Elo bracket that I am 11.
Arzenal is commenting on youtube, quick he is distracted Castle his base.
On serious note besides usual tips like feudal archer rush to counter it maybe some palisade walls/buildings to protect usual targets for castle drop could help, make it impossible to drop 4x4 foundation next to your TC once you spot that he is mining stone a lot.
Unconvertable TK is a good idea. It's kinda themetically unfitting that UU of civ with resistance to conversion is countered hardest by monks.
They are slow as hell unfortunately
T90 is such a good anti Phos player.
True Elo hell is 1000-1200, trust me.
GOOD GAME
"elo hell" means that your team mates are dragging you down, its a popular term in LoL but can't be applied to AoE2 1on1 matches afaik : )
this could never have worked, except against a noob.
1) scout the enemy. see teutonic knights. pump monks. you win.
2) plus rams. add knights. still win.
2 or 3 civs huh, so 1st one is Spanish, 2nd is Burmese Mongoles or Berbers? 3rd Poles? What are your guesses?
pro caster being pro casted by a pro
Proception!
he really should have said alright lets keep playing instantly after killing those knights in the test
Keep T90 talking? Remember when T90 kept you talking and you deleted your TC in a tournament game 1111
11 Hera knows the strat!
Team T90
another video HELLO!
Can you keep casting T90. I watch him a lot but he never casts his own games 11. I like this.
I'm a simple man. I see Teutonic Knights, I click Like 11
Im so fking confused, why did kronos surrender after beating t90 5v5?
Shouldnt t90 have surrendered?
What am i missing here
How did you know this is red phosphoru?
Rams can't be converted?
needs special tech
“You’re not low enough for games to be fun or casual”
Brother I’m in 400 Elo, I’m terrible. None of my matches are even close. The only times I win are either because of trolls or a guy just ego quits because I destroy their forward castle.
P.S. I am fully aware I’m terrible at the game.
Elo hell is definitely 1100-1800 for sure if you are 2k+ you have made it in the game
lot of player float up or down 400 elo
1700 to 2100 for example
Weird conversation in a ranked game 11
Great vid…. Click bait title wasn’t necessary
T90 had too much gf.
"i can't believe he even tried that"
phosphoru died for our memes
Burmese, Portuguese, bengalis, Celts, hindustanis are the best for FC UU.
I don't get why red resigned after one initial loss. Is it a really a foregone conclusion?
Red is infamous for all in rushes with market shenanigans, his eco behind it is super weak -not even double bit axe and stops building vills
disrespectful
T90 esp
Came here for the T90 comment button
I know what you mean but by that definition we are ALL in Elo hell haha! What easy games?
A pro tries to cast and caster tries to pro.
lmao Hera :,))))
22+2 timing but in reality it's +1. Also it makes no sense trying to hide the op civs. Bengalies, portuguese and .... bohemians?
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I see a castle in the face all in every other game in 900-1100! All the time
that means that he has the map control to begin with. opponent on stone should mean that you have more res for army
funny :-)
My elo hell is 950-1100
thats the nicest place
Hang in there, its very rewarding to escape the 1100 barrier
Oh wow, don't know how his ego gonna handle you saying this is good level but below pro 🤣
Phosphoru just gave up like that? That fight wasn't over
He only got that far because T90 was late to adding siege. Mangonels make it impossible to push with just TTKs and rams, and he lacked the eco to win a mangonel war.
@@flamingosedai1820 Because he is 15vills and one TC behind T90. T90 just takes relics, gets to imp first and then just ends the game with knights + camel archers (or handcannons). There is absolutely nothing that phosphoru can do to catch up.
@@genericUsernameNo5 Seems anticlimactic and not very fun to play using that strat. IDK I just want to play Sim City and Treb down my opponent's base LOL (or get trebbed down).
lol no way. T90 could beat him with his own units that he converted.
@@mbvglider Lol I mean yeah. No argument there. I just wanted to see them fight it out...even though it was inevitable
in christian cultures we dont do that "i lie to you to trick you haaha" game so much
Oh boy, wait until you hear about a little event called "literally all of history".
no, they just screw your kids.