As a mikanko player, mans is 100% correct. Screw "break my board" games. It is literally lava golem into lethal, and as an irl player, I can happily say that it even works in tournaments. You have to side like a God, but it works.
@@walkingchopsticks6731 I know how to pilot higher tier decks. But I don't want to play Meta. I want to play decks that aren't Cringe. Even when I give up on playing fun deck's I'll usually just swap over to branded. Currently? I was having fun running around with pure Gate Guardian.
I've learned that the YGO community is basically just Gollum. "we loves the precious OTK waifus. Loves them!" "No, no! We hates them! Hates the OTK Waifus!"
I personally always loved kamikaze reverse battle damage strategies but Mikanko is too snowbally. You have versions that can be teched in a multilayer extra deck because they don't need it as their ritual monster is toolbox.dek. Then you have the I will go second all day and kaiju/golem my problems away variant. They both remind me of a simpler time playing Gusto. But holy shyt hu-li has to be the most ass backwards card to exist. It allows for stupid interaction with cards outside of the archetype just because you have a random blanket "can't touch this", effect on top of already being both immune to battle and card destruction effects when equipped with any mikanko spell. Like it unironically shuts off 3 forms of removal/interaction by it existing FOR THE ENTIRE ARCHETYPE. If it was just her it be fine because Mikanko only needs one big enough attack to go through to kill.
What annoys me is that Fenrir and Unicorn's special summon effect is the most free of free yet we cannot get a Dark Magician, Blue-Eyes, or Red-Eyes retrain without a million restrictions. Like why? How about a Dark Magician retrain that lets you add DM and normal summon without tribute in the same turn? Why do I need both Alternative and the Vanilla in the hand at the same time? And how is Red-Eyes both the worst burn deck and the worst equip card deck at the same time?
Don't forget Diabellstar herself. Can't believe she is level 7, and can special summon herself during opponent's turn like *HUH* And a special summon that doesn't start a chain. 2024 meta indeed!
Red-eyes constantly gets shit on for being the worst yet it is literally the best threat in terms of design. If they support burn too much or too strongly it could easily become an ftk meta deck. For example if soul was not once per duel you could easily do 3500 damage twice with it before your opponent breaths
For a lot of these, I feel like it's less what they said and more how they said it. Like 'I'm having fun playing Mikanko' is a totally reasonable thing to say. 'I'm having fun because I don't have to pay attention to what my opponent's deck does' makes you seem like an asshole. And a lot of the threads about much OP hates something really come across more like 'I just lost to this deck three times in a row and am salty' than anything well-reasoned.
But my opponent always does some bullshit plays and then expect me to go through with all of it. F that. That mikanko player is right, and especially the way it was said. Playing mikanko is GREAT BECAUSE 99% of the time, you don't care about what your opponent does, and burn is like that too. Also F the rigged coin flip, i'm on a 25 lose streak with the turn coin flip.
@@jeanriviere2599 Y'know. This is second time I've made a comment on a Farfa video along the lines of 'I could get behind what that person says if they were better at communicating', and then the person themselves replies to me, pretending to be someone else, and then proves me wrong by doubling down on how they were communicating before. It's a two player game, friend. If you don't want to care about your opponent, Solo mode is right over there.
@@Gilphon i don't even use reddit, i'm a TH-cam only guy. But hell, props to that redditor that speaked the TRUTH. I would have spoken the same way if i used reddit, and you can say whatever you want, Yu-Gi-Oh! has become so much of a coin flip game that, if i lose the coin flip, my opponent will just set some bullshit board that will try its utmost best to prevent me to play the game, and if not, will just pull the most unfair plays to break through whatever is in front of him and it will end in banlist discussion because "LOL its unfair because [...]". And in the rare case i win the coin flip, the opponent will either scoop or bitch on the internet about how the game sucks, or both and more. And when you want to play something different it's "LOL pet deck" or "go play a real deck", "the deck is dog water", etc. So if i want to play something that ignores what my opponent does because it's the same long boring stupid shit every time, then i have the right to. Do you know how to not lose at a game ? By not playing. If i can play a deck that allows to do Yu-Gi-Oh! duels without playing "Yu-Gi-Oh!", then GOOD. It makes losing not frustrating and winning EVEN MORE satisfying.
As a mikanko player, he is not wrong. I play other decks when I want to pay attention to someone's every move. I rock mikanko when I want to lava golem into an arabesque for hu-li, hidden arsenal into double edged sword, re-lava golem your last two monsters, equip golem with sword, and have hu-li, swing for game. 1 minite play, and absolutely lethal. None of that snake-eyes bs.
"I love snake eyes bc I dont pay attention to my opponent" aww how sweet "I love mikanko bc I dont pay attention to my opponent" HUMAN RESOURCES!? 😂😂🤣💀
Yubel cards can be targeted and they don't play a million going second cards (which tend to be really uninteractive), which are my biggest problems with mikanko (as a former mikanko lover)
The "this card isnt good right now" is by far one of the worst arguments you can have. I still remember people saying halq is totally fine beacuse in x format not many decks run it, just for a few months later it to be banned because it summoned t.g. wonder magician that popped scythe, or for formula into calamity.
as an ardent halq defender back then, even I knew that it'd have to go eventually, I just also enjoyed using it and thought it was fine up until the ban (but an early ban is generally better than it ruining even more formats)
100% correct on the first one. The Kashtira monsters are utterly unpleasant and unfun to play against, but his way of expressing it is far too clouded with rage. He should have sat down for a bit first, then explained why they both need to sit on the ban-list permanently.
The thing with Traps is that Yes, they're very slow by comparison to Spells...but they typically have much, much stronger/annoying effects. So giving the player the ability to use them quicker, turn 1 even, can cause Traps to be busted. Essentially, they had to give Traps the properties of Spells to make them good.
My relationship with Mikanko is one of love and hate: I love playing with them but damn I hate playing against them (especially the mirror, that sh*ts atrocious).
@@NewtBannner it's basically just 2 people staring at each other to see who makes the first move, and whoever plays a card first or Summons a monster loses..
@@NewtBannnerIf you’re playing blind 2nd you can actually end the mirror in a draw by using Double-Edged Sword. But typically you’re trying to either kaiju/lava golem their monsters and attack for game or get your opponent to use a kaiju on you and then send it to their graveyard so that you can summon it to their field using fire dance.
I remember someone talking about whether or not a 0-cost card draw is inherently broken in TCGs and mentioning offhand that Yu-Gi-Oh has Upstart at 3 but most decks don't use it, and a thought I had was that even if you just want a card to cycle, why would you use 3 slots in your deck for Upstart when there is a card that is a cycle AND Pankratops simultaneously? "If you ban Borreload and Baronne my deck will have no boss monster," is only actually true if the deck you're referring to is specifically Fleur, and would say that Chevalier and Sociere don't count because they were printed prior to Fleur being an actual deck and also that Sauge doesn't count because she doesn't have an on-field effect. You could say that your deck's boss monster isn't as good as Baronne but if you're playing, like, Superheavy Samurai and saying, "Nooo, you took my ONLY boss monsters, what am I gonna do now?" while ignoring the deck has straight-up 9 different in-archetype Synchros.
It turns out if every card is better than a +0, or are just necessary garnet/other combo piece, it's hard to fit cards like Upstart into your deck while keeping the deck size down
Baronne at least shouldn’t be banned, not looking at it from SHS perspective but a lot of other weaker decks. Farfa mention this being good in the long run and that we aren’t looking at the “Big Picture”, But we are, the big picture of this is that banning generic negates means we have to put our trust in Konami to print strong equal support for ALL deck archetypes in the long run(which lets be real is not happening), also due to how the game is naturally players will always be looking to find ways to reduce opponen’s interaction (see new Snake-Eyes list than ran Dis Pater & Omega to rip 2 from hand) things will NOT CHANGE. the game has to be either ENTIRELY rid of negate effects or strong negate boss monsters for ALL decks to reach an ideal conclusion (which again not trusting Konami on this)
@@SStrikeFury That last point you bring up is exactly why hitting boss monsters is dumb. The engine is what allows you to do broken stuff so it doesn't matter what bosses you ban. The engine will eventually do something stupid. Insects are another good example of an engine that's just waiting for something good they can use.
@@SStrikeFuryMy 60 card dumpster fire zefra-endymion-pendulum magician-invoked are basically each engines doing it's own stuff, pend mag got me savage, Invoked got me mechaba, Endymion was getting the jackal king and/or endymion on field and zefra was bodies to end up linking into apollousa I really like those decks that are a lot of different stuff that kinda boost each other On the same vein I had a 60 card dragon link back when adventure engine just dropped on master duel Couldn't play after that bc ps4 died, now a I have a complete adventure engine doing nothing bc I just had it to get barone with halqifibrax and rose dragon tuners, then dragon link went crazy and now I cant really play it after the hits and the current meta
Most recent decks apparently have that theme of doing everything, first kash having no restrictions whatsoever, and now snake eyes that every card does everything, idk if thats the new way to have a "strongest deck in the format" title but man just feels bad.
To be fair, I never understood why ariseheart was hated so much. I guess it’s just “draw the out” but at least you can play ANY removal card and beat Arise heart. Like literally smashing ground would take it out. Then I remember that Darklaw exists, and remember oh right, it’s completely stupid to have macro cosmos on legs
i guess arise-heart was worse then darklaw since it had more ATK,quick effect removal and ''infinite'' xyz materials,you could also slap the infinitrack link-1 on it for protection.
There's like multiple angles to this too, like, you're realistically not playing fucking Smashing Ground to out Snake-Eyes' combo, and even if it's just "draw Imperm" it's like, games being boiled down into "which player drew the out" and punting the other into the sun is abject misery Like if Arise-Heart was just Zeus but it banishes everything face-down instead and I still get a GY, I would be infinitely more okay with it
@@thewave-qz9lt I mean, most of the time it would not have quick effect removal until you used multiple cards. The Link 1 certainly is a problem though. I never claimed darklaw was better, just that it’s a stupid design regardless of how easy it is to potentially out.
Mikanko has a lot more interaction in order to stop the OTK from happening IMO. Other methods like Gossip Shadow, Numeron, or FTK burn are restricted to hand traps in your opening hand to stop, but Mikanko requires understanding how to dismantle the board in turn 2 to get the OTK. And if you don’t, you need to figure out how to set up for follow on. If anything, Mikanko is more efficient than Liebe OTK, and I’m a fan of both.
mikanko has to be in my top 5 least favorite deck to play against. It just feels impossible to out in most strategies and if i have the audacity to summon a monster with more then 2000 attack i insta lose. The guy who loves mikanko said it best, he doesnt have to pay attention or care what his opponent does. he just gives you a kaiju or a golem and crashes with no real way to stop it
Underworld goddess is one of the best outs to hu-li lock and it can be used in many decks. Assuming they don't have the otk and you get to play another turn of course.
there are two types of people. the people who don't want tenpai in the game, and the people who gaslight themselves into thinking they want tenpai in the game 10:03 Book of Eclipse or Daruma Cannon I guess?
"Now I'm happy that this game has a rigged coin toss that I lose 75% of the time" Which is more likely? That Master Duel actually has a built-in mechanism that was deliberately coded to make some players more likely to win the coin toss than others? Or that you simply got unlucky?
"Somebody explain why the thread praising Mikanko is controversial but then Mikanko being complained about is also controversial" That's literally what controversy is.
Tenpai in Master Duel... it'll be VERY interesting to see how that will play out. I want to use Tenpai as an engine in dragons but the best of 1 format might make Master Duel heavily hit the deck. 😑
9:33 Just play level 8 monsters and make Tachyon. When I run into them I'm constantly glad I'm playing a Galaxy/Photon deck and still run Tachyon as a backup.
As a Mikanko lover, I have no idea why ju-li protects from targeting, but it’s also incredibly easy to stop her from hitting the field in the first place. Plus, say what you want, I’m taking untargetable over unaffected any day
Both Unicorn and Fenrir should be banned, free special summons and board breaker for Fenrir. But Unicorn is 2 special summon and a banish face down of an extra deck monster if the opponent hand traps. Unicorn is almost a +3
I don't understand the discourse around Mikanko. People (or just one random person) have been asking for an archetype to take advantage of equip cards, y'know that one group of spell cards with a large portion of them being useless.
@@kingknightisbestknight7398 I didn't bring them cause I do have bias towards them.. I failed to mention Infernoble mostly because Infernobles didn't get as broken or good as quickly as Mikanko did.
To be honest you got it backwards... Which is telling of social media's influence. It should be "Social media gives us the worst of society and sometimes the best". Anyone who disagrees needs to stop being delusional. Anyone with half a brain and more than two brain cells can see social media and media in general push stories. And what gets attention the best? Negativity, morally wrong acts and people.
Yugioh has a serious problem with new cards doing to many things, it's cool and great for the game when cards do new things or innovate on previous mechanics but cards like Baronne, Fenrir, Boreload, the entire snake eyes archetype, just do way too much. U should have to inperm or forbidden droplet every monster on the field just to start ur turn.
How can some people just completely forget that discord servers and Twitter actually exist when talking about worst social media lmao. Twitter is actually Chernobyl
there exists a xyz? that lets you ignore towers, i only pulled off the combo once or twice in my 91 hours of playtime. but if theres zero interuptions you can beat anyone *outside of maybe rikka or whoever uses life gain although my way is low odd's since i dont really know deck building or massive combos, so i cant play most decks
Dumb take: overtuned generic boss/Extra Deck monsters should be, rather than entirely forbidden, complex banned out of non-archetypal decks (which is easier said than done, I know). Or at least, erratad into being less generic Imagine if Baronne needed Fleur Synchron, or if you couldn't play Verte Anaconda in non Predaplant-heavy decks
As another comment said, it would have to force konami to print even usable boss monsters for even past archetypes, kinda like Endymion with him and Jackal king being the main boss monsters Generic boss monsters give a fighting chance to kinda bad archetypes But meta decks being able to use them like nothing too feels like someone taking a disabled parking spot
okay but fuck the logical argument for borrel/baronne I want to play rocks leave me alone I don't want my end board being apo dragite and red dragon archfiend
I don't hate mikanko for what it does but the cards are still badly designed because the effects are distributed across multiple cards and you have to look for a short sentence that is somewhere on 3 cards which have hundreds of words each if you want to know what makes them untargetable for example. Its ok card design but the worst text structure of all time.
Ive seen so many comments where people are saying they use unusual tech and the only responses they get are. This card is bad. You sbould use something else. Despite you saying it works, it never works.
Mikanko is genuinely one of the worst archetypes in the game. I'm not saying its ineffective but its a bad strategy to have in a game that is focused on interacting with your opponent based on their unique playstyle. Mikanko just doesn't care and does the same thing every game with zero variation.
Mikanko can be very enjoyable. I've had plenty of games playing it where I've had to get creative with their interactive pieces to be successful. Not to mention they are really easy to counter in tcg. Not as easy in master duel but still
the mikanko duality is easy you're not allowed to complain about mikanko, because it isn't a tiered strat you're also not allowed to like mikanko, because it's a cringe blind second otk strat that requires zero "skill" /r/masterduel brainrot at its finest
"This player has never heard of a side deck" Is reading comments on the master duel reddit where master duel is a best of 1 format. 🧠 I think the real problem is the Bo3 format in the TCG needs to be removed. Align the TCG with master duel and the OCG.
Right? If your deck has no boss monsters without generic omni-negates, your deck either sucks and you probably should not be playing it and thinking your vaguely competitive, or your deck is some bull like snake-eye that can make 20+ material which konami forgot a restriction clause on and you are too omni-negate pilled to consider doing anything else
Nah I'm not even a kash player but i 100% think kashtira already suffered enough in MD. Tear, SS and Snake Eyes all got released with almost no pre hit, but kash specifically needed to be murdered since day 0 for some reasons.
@@SnowyGrass toxic and strong are two completely different things. The timelord deck is extremely toxic, but I doubt anyone would consider it even remotely rouge. Tear is not a toxic deck, but it's much stronger than Kash, and despite that it got less pre hits.
Fuck all new Archetypes from the Get go tbh Albaz spawned a ton of unfun Extra Deck Spammy bs Riseheart spawned a bunch of toxic ass Gimmik Decks Both of wich needed a ton of restrictions and Bans and both of them are still annoying af
I know that's not how we evaluate cards but Dargoon is waaay better than DPE when on the board. DPE's garnets are way better and thus he is more payable but people talk as if DPE is the better card in a vacuum
"why are the post about liking Mikanko and the post complaining about Mikanko both getting downvoted. how are they both controversial" it's almost like Mikanko has people feeling strongly about both opposing viewpoints. or as some would call that, "controversial"
I see a lot of people complaining that certain decks are unfun to play against. But what are decks that are fun to play against? Most like decent to good deck's literal purpose is to stop your opponent from playing the game. That is yugioh.
Thats not even completely true, its just the TCG equivalent of fighting game players saying "every character is bullshit except mine (when i play them)"
"That is Yugioh" Yeah no Ever played against Magnet Warriors? Archfiends? Junk? Vendread? Monolith? Anything that isn't inherently a Deck made to spam out a Generic Boss or that isn't packed full of Traps/Spells that just Block and negate anything?
why EEV AND BARRIER are is simple they are crap now they are only playable in decks that can search them unless you want to be toxic again and use thrust to get them but then you must ask yourself isn't thrust issue. currently they are like a handtrap you must draw it to use it but unlike handtrap you arent playing half a deck of them. yes it does because if it didn't why is ash legal it's been good in nearly every format and it's only point is to slow the opponent
Just put fenrir to one, ban Arise heart and put all others things to normal 😂😂😂 Also arise heart is just stupid It's a 3k atk and def, can be summon like zoodiac without restrictions, macro cosmos at home, zeus on steroid and just put the infinitrack link 1 moster to make it cannot be destroy by card effects
The fact that there are 3 stages to get rid completely of a card (aka banish face down) shows how the pace of the game has been mutilated, while having cards that can access that last stage of removal for free while activating effects that further make you unable to access anything, be it your deck or zones. Kashtira, whether you can counter it or not, is such a messed up archetype that is the antithesis of bad game design.
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" I don't care, have this kaiju"
Is such a powerful line. I love it.
As a mikanko player, mans is 100% correct. Screw "break my board" games. It is literally lava golem into lethal, and as an irl player, I can happily say that it even works in tournaments. You have to side like a God, but it works.
"I enjoy playing mikanko"
Reddit: "STOP HAVING FUN!"
"I enjoy playing *any relevant deck* "
Group of YGO players: "STOP HAVING FUN!"
If playing Mikanko is how you have fun, then I hope every match you play for the rest of your Master Duel career, is against Timelord burn.
@@raneerickson3398 kaiju'ing big monster and reverse otking the opponent will never be not fun for me.
“I hate playing against Mikanko”
Reddit: “get good scrub”
@@walkingchopsticks6731 I know how to pilot higher tier decks. But I don't want to play Meta. I want to play decks that aren't Cringe. Even when I give up on playing fun deck's I'll usually just swap over to branded.
Currently? I was having fun running around with pure Gate Guardian.
I've learned that the YGO community is basically just Gollum.
"we loves the precious OTK waifus. Loves them!"
"No, no! We hates them! Hates the OTK Waifus!"
I personally always loved kamikaze reverse battle damage strategies but Mikanko is too snowbally. You have versions that can be teched in a multilayer extra deck because they don't need it as their ritual monster is toolbox.dek. Then you have the I will go second all day and kaiju/golem my problems away variant. They both remind me of a simpler time playing Gusto. But holy shyt hu-li has to be the most ass backwards card to exist. It allows for stupid interaction with cards outside of the archetype just because you have a random blanket "can't touch this", effect on top of already being both immune to battle and card destruction effects when equipped with any mikanko spell. Like it unironically shuts off 3 forms of removal/interaction by it existing FOR THE ENTIRE ARCHETYPE. If it was just her it be fine because Mikanko only needs one big enough attack to go through to kill.
S:P little knight will be SR in master duel *copium*
Right?
@@donovanlocust1106 yes
@gericjohnm.olivar9563 The card is expensive as hell irl, so it's gonna be UR
😂😂😂
It'll be an R
What annoys me is that Fenrir and Unicorn's special summon effect is the most free of free yet we cannot get a Dark Magician, Blue-Eyes, or Red-Eyes retrain without a million restrictions. Like why? How about a Dark Magician retrain that lets you add DM and normal summon without tribute in the same turn? Why do I need both Alternative and the Vanilla in the hand at the same time? And how is Red-Eyes both the worst burn deck and the worst equip card deck at the same time?
Blue-Eyes and Dark Magician need their own soul crossing that is a quick-play and summons from GY or Deck
Don't forget Diabellstar herself.
Can't believe she is level 7, and can special summon herself during opponent's turn like *HUH*
And a special summon that doesn't start a chain. 2024 meta indeed!
Maybe they need gemini version of DM or BEWD that could special summon itself like kashtira but treated as its normal monster counterpart on field
They should make the DM and Blue Eyes skills from Duel Links legal in Master Duel. The vanillas should be normal-summonable in the modern era imo
Red-eyes constantly gets shit on for being the worst yet it is literally the best threat in terms of design. If they support burn too much or too strongly it could easily become an ftk meta deck. For example if soul was not once per duel you could easily do 3500 damage twice with it before your opponent breaths
For a lot of these, I feel like it's less what they said and more how they said it. Like 'I'm having fun playing Mikanko' is a totally reasonable thing to say. 'I'm having fun because I don't have to pay attention to what my opponent's deck does' makes you seem like an asshole. And a lot of the threads about much OP hates something really come across more like 'I just lost to this deck three times in a row and am salty' than anything well-reasoned.
But my opponent always does some bullshit plays and then expect me to go through with all of it. F that. That mikanko player is right, and especially the way it was said. Playing mikanko is GREAT BECAUSE 99% of the time, you don't care about what your opponent does, and burn is like that too.
Also F the rigged coin flip, i'm on a 25 lose streak with the turn coin flip.
@@jeanriviere2599 Y'know. This is second time I've made a comment on a Farfa video along the lines of 'I could get behind what that person says if they were better at communicating', and then the person themselves replies to me, pretending to be someone else, and then proves me wrong by doubling down on how they were communicating before.
It's a two player game, friend. If you don't want to care about your opponent, Solo mode is right over there.
@@Gilphon i don't even use reddit, i'm a TH-cam only guy.
But hell, props to that redditor that speaked the TRUTH.
I would have spoken the same way if i used reddit, and you can say whatever you want, Yu-Gi-Oh! has become so much of a coin flip game that, if i lose the coin flip, my opponent will just set some bullshit board that will try its utmost best to prevent me to play the game, and if not, will just pull the most unfair plays to break through whatever is in front of him and it will end in banlist discussion because "LOL its unfair because [...]".
And in the rare case i win the coin flip, the opponent will either scoop or bitch on the internet about how the game sucks, or both and more.
And when you want to play something different it's "LOL pet deck" or "go play a real deck", "the deck is dog water", etc.
So if i want to play something that ignores what my opponent does because it's the same long boring stupid shit every time, then i have the right to.
Do you know how to not lose at a game ? By not playing. If i can play a deck that allows to do Yu-Gi-Oh! duels without playing "Yu-Gi-Oh!", then GOOD.
It makes losing not frustrating and winning EVEN MORE satisfying.
As a mikanko player, he is not wrong. I play other decks when I want to pay attention to someone's every move. I rock mikanko when I want to lava golem into an arabesque for hu-li, hidden arsenal into double edged sword, re-lava golem your last two monsters, equip golem with sword, and have hu-li, swing for game. 1 minite play, and absolutely lethal. None of that snake-eyes bs.
"I love snake eyes bc I dont pay attention to my opponent" aww how sweet
"I love mikanko bc I dont pay attention to my opponent" HUMAN RESOURCES!? 😂😂🤣💀
if people are mad at mikanko just wait till yubel comes out and it will be even worse.
Yeah , I can't wait
Is the new Yubel card a towers with snatch steal, and compulsory?
Yubel cards can be targeted and they don't play a million going second cards (which tend to be really uninteractive), which are my biggest problems with mikanko (as a former mikanko lover)
@@tcoren1 yeah , it's just "Oh , you wanted to play the game? Fuck you."
Sorry, activated Power Filter. :)
The "this card isnt good right now" is by far one of the worst arguments you can have. I still remember people saying halq is totally fine beacuse in x format not many decks run it, just for a few months later it to be banned because it summoned t.g. wonder magician that popped scythe, or for formula into calamity.
I hate the "this card isn't good right now" argument
as an ardent halq defender back then, even I knew that it'd have to go eventually, I just also enjoyed using it and thought it was fine up until the ban (but an early ban is generally better than it ruining even more formats)
I completely agree with "this card is good rn" being weak argument. Especially when it's in defense of stupid floodgates and in MD bo1 format.
> Release strong deck in selection pack
> Hit them on next banlist
> Release branded support
Loop
Branded support is done for my guy
@@duckgossipwrong story of white, argyros alba system fusion
100% correct on the first one. The Kashtira monsters are utterly unpleasant and unfun to play against, but his way of expressing it is far too clouded with rage. He should have sat down for a bit first, then explained why they both need to sit on the ban-list permanently.
The thing with Traps is that Yes, they're very slow by comparison to Spells...but they typically have much, much stronger/annoying effects. So giving the player the ability to use them quicker, turn 1 even, can cause Traps to be busted. Essentially, they had to give Traps the properties of Spells to make them good.
My relationship with Mikanko is one of love and hate: I love playing with them but damn I hate playing against them (especially the mirror, that sh*ts atrocious).
How does the mirror play out? I mean it, i have never seen it
@@NewtBannner it's basically just 2 people staring at each other to see who makes the first move, and whoever plays a card first or Summons a monster loses..
@@nashcifer5666 😂😂 how does the side decking process work? Board breakers I’m guessing?
Edit: I mean MORE board breakers
@@NewtBannnerIf you’re playing blind 2nd you can actually end the mirror in a draw by using Double-Edged Sword. But typically you’re trying to either kaiju/lava golem their monsters and attack for game or get your opponent to use a kaiju on you and then send it to their graveyard so that you can summon it to their field using fire dance.
@@NewtBannner *just play floodgates*, side in Kaiser Colosseum and branded loss, and now your opponent cannot attack or Summon more than 1 monster.
I remember someone talking about whether or not a 0-cost card draw is inherently broken in TCGs and mentioning offhand that Yu-Gi-Oh has Upstart at 3 but most decks don't use it, and a thought I had was that even if you just want a card to cycle, why would you use 3 slots in your deck for Upstart when there is a card that is a cycle AND Pankratops simultaneously?
"If you ban Borreload and Baronne my deck will have no boss monster," is only actually true if the deck you're referring to is specifically Fleur, and would say that Chevalier and Sociere don't count because they were printed prior to Fleur being an actual deck and also that Sauge doesn't count because she doesn't have an on-field effect. You could say that your deck's boss monster isn't as good as Baronne but if you're playing, like, Superheavy Samurai and saying, "Nooo, you took my ONLY boss monsters, what am I gonna do now?" while ignoring the deck has straight-up 9 different in-archetype Synchros.
It turns out if every card is better than a +0, or are just necessary garnet/other combo piece, it's hard to fit cards like Upstart into your deck while keeping the deck size down
Baronne at least shouldn’t be banned, not looking at it from SHS perspective but a lot of other weaker decks. Farfa mention this being good in the long run and that we aren’t looking at the “Big Picture”,
But we are, the big picture of this is that banning generic negates means we have to put our trust in Konami to print strong equal support for ALL deck archetypes in the long run(which lets be real is not happening),
also due to how the game is naturally players will always be looking to find ways to reduce opponen’s interaction (see new Snake-Eyes list than ran Dis Pater & Omega to rip 2 from hand) things will NOT CHANGE. the game has to be either ENTIRELY rid of negate effects or strong negate boss monsters for ALL decks to reach an ideal conclusion (which again not trusting Konami on this)
@@SStrikeFury That last point you bring up is exactly why hitting boss monsters is dumb. The engine is what allows you to do broken stuff so it doesn't matter what bosses you ban. The engine will eventually do something stupid. Insects are another good example of an engine that's just waiting for something good they can use.
@@SStrikeFuryMy 60 card dumpster fire zefra-endymion-pendulum magician-invoked are basically each engines doing it's own stuff, pend mag got me savage, Invoked got me mechaba, Endymion was getting the jackal king and/or endymion on field and zefra was bodies to end up linking into apollousa
I really like those decks that are a lot of different stuff that kinda boost each other
On the same vein I had a 60 card dragon link back when adventure engine just dropped on master duel
Couldn't play after that bc ps4 died, now a I have a complete adventure engine doing nothing bc I just had it to get barone with halqifibrax and rose dragon tuners, then dragon link went crazy and now I cant really play it after the hits and the current meta
People literally give up hope when we lose the dice roll unless they're opponent is just a straight scrub....
Most recent decks apparently have that theme of doing everything, first kash having no restrictions whatsoever, and now snake eyes that every card does everything, idk if thats the new way to have a "strongest deck in the format" title but man just feels bad.
uhm ackshually, Kashtiratheosis locks you into Xyz summoning. ☝️🤓
@@fnfgammer2014 one card in the entire deck locks oh woowwww
@@Finalslashes2 actually...riseheart locks you in XYZ's if you use the special summon effect
Mikanko is so much fun. Especially when you move on to playing the going first variants. Sinful Mikanko Warrior pile goes crazy.
To be fair, I never understood why ariseheart was hated so much. I guess it’s just “draw the out” but at least you can play ANY removal card and beat Arise heart.
Like literally smashing ground would take it out.
Then I remember that Darklaw exists, and remember oh right, it’s completely stupid to have macro cosmos on legs
i guess arise-heart was worse then darklaw since it had more ATK,quick effect removal and ''infinite'' xyz materials,you could also slap the infinitrack link-1 on it for protection.
@@thewave-qz9ltarise heart’s effect is non-once per turn
Just ban fenrir and ariseheart problem might be solved even without touching it
There's like multiple angles to this too, like, you're realistically not playing fucking Smashing Ground to out Snake-Eyes' combo, and even if it's just "draw Imperm" it's like, games being boiled down into "which player drew the out" and punting the other into the sun is abject misery
Like if Arise-Heart was just Zeus but it banishes everything face-down instead and I still get a GY, I would be infinitely more okay with it
@@thewave-qz9lt I mean, most of the time it would not have quick effect removal until you used multiple cards. The Link 1 certainly is a problem though. I never claimed darklaw was better, just that it’s a stupid design regardless of how easy it is to potentially out.
the post about mikanko was hilarious
Mikanko has a lot more interaction in order to stop the OTK from happening IMO.
Other methods like Gossip Shadow, Numeron, or FTK burn are restricted to hand traps in your opening hand to stop, but Mikanko requires understanding how to dismantle the board in turn 2 to get the OTK. And if you don’t, you need to figure out how to set up for follow on.
If anything, Mikanko is more efficient than Liebe OTK, and I’m a fan of both.
mikanko has to be in my top 5 least favorite deck to play against. It just feels impossible to out in most strategies and if i have the audacity to summon a monster with more then 2000 attack i insta lose. The guy who loves mikanko said it best, he doesnt have to pay attention or care what his opponent does. he just gives you a kaiju or a golem and crashes with no real way to stop it
Underworld goddess is one of the best outs to hu-li lock and it can be used in many decks. Assuming they don't have the otk and you get to play another turn of course.
One of my friends beat a Mikanko deck when he was forced to go first. He was playing a Hungry Burger deck
@@lucasg7720 i met a Mikanko player that used Kaiser yesterday, so no Goddess lol
I once beat Mikanko using Electrum to pop 6 times with Shining Neos Wingman, it was glorious
there are two types of people. the people who don't want tenpai in the game, and the people who gaslight themselves into thinking they want tenpai in the game
10:03 Book of Eclipse or Daruma Cannon I guess?
"Now I'm happy that this game has a rigged coin toss that I lose 75% of the time"
Which is more likely? That Master Duel actually has a built-in mechanism that was deliberately coded to make some players more likely to win the coin toss than others? Or that you simply got unlucky?
the former, casinos know how to keep you hooked in
9:00 - PacooComplexus is gonna really love Tenpai when it arrives to MD :]
4:10 this is the master duel sub tho. they dont have an side deck
08:21 „They can’t agree“ Yeah, that’s what being controversial means, isn’t it?
mikanko is just numeron with a mustache
9:50 Mikanko -> battle phase deck-> tempai -> a omni protection Main phase 1 -> Misc
9:45 still blinding 2nd with dinos, masters every season. if misc resolves, glhf
I didn’t use fenrir until it was limited to 1
Didn’t even think about searching itself lol
"Somebody explain why the thread praising Mikanko is controversial but then Mikanko being complained about is also controversial"
That's literally what controversy is.
The guy ranting about Mikanko is right you know....
Tenpai in Master Duel... it'll be VERY interesting to see how that will play out.
I want to use Tenpai as an engine in dragons but the best of 1 format might make Master Duel heavily hit the deck. 😑
9:33 Just play level 8 monsters and make Tachyon. When I run into them I'm constantly glad I'm playing a Galaxy/Photon deck and still run Tachyon as a backup.
the guy who said d barrier isn't good right now was capping
When you move Kashtira and defend it , i will tell you that life is hard
As a Mikanko lover, I have no idea why ju-li protects from targeting, but it’s also incredibly easy to stop her from hitting the field in the first place. Plus, say what you want, I’m taking untargetable over unaffected any day
If these rants were memes, the weekly meme reviews would be funnier.
No no no super polying baronne and savage is fun, let me do it a bit more and dont ban them yet
I'd like to see what would happen if a lab player ran pokemon cards
I once got down voted on r/masterduel for saying I liked playing Thunder Dragons.
The reason nobody's playing DPE in Master Duel is because they banned the good main deck destiny heroes, so it's just worse dragoon without them
Im currently trying to build a Mikanko deck in MD right now. The pack for them is out and I’ve been taking advantage of it.
8:25 That's literally what controversial means big dog
If it were up to Farfa and Josh, the banlist would be a thousand cards long.
Both Unicorn and Fenrir should be banned, free special summons and board breaker for Fenrir. But Unicorn is 2 special summon and a banish face down of an extra deck monster if the opponent hand traps. Unicorn is almost a +3
5:05 no ohime. That is funny. I pulled a royal
There were a lot more based opinions than I thought there would be...except the Mikanko enjoyer, and "The card's not good now" guy
I don't understand the discourse around Mikanko. People (or just one random person) have been asking for an archetype to take advantage of equip cards, y'know that one group of spell cards with a large portion of them being useless.
Infernobles are right there to yoir left Sir
@@kingknightisbestknight7398 I didn't bring them cause I do have bias towards them.. I failed to mention Infernoble mostly because Infernobles didn't get as broken or good as quickly as Mikanko did.
The guy praising mikanko perfectly describes every reason I hate mikanko
it's all fun and games till monke flip returns. also more of this!
My take for master duel is that we should have a draft mode by now in the game.
My take on Master Duel is that secret packs should STAY unlocked once you unlock them.
Mikanko is the most meta anti meta deck and I love it so much
To be honest you got it backwards... Which is telling of social media's influence. It should be "Social media gives us the worst of society and sometimes the best". Anyone who disagrees needs to stop being delusional. Anyone with half a brain and more than two brain cells can see social media and media in general push stories. And what gets attention the best? Negativity, morally wrong acts and people.
Yugioh has a serious problem with new cards doing to many things, it's cool and great for the game when cards do new things or innovate on previous mechanics but cards like Baronne, Fenrir, Boreload, the entire snake eyes archetype, just do way too much. U should have to inperm or forbidden droplet every monster on the field just to start ur turn.
How can some people just completely forget that discord servers and Twitter actually exist when talking about worst social media lmao. Twitter is actually Chernobyl
ive been going second the moment i was born, im playing tenpai when it drops and im not apologizing
I can’t even beat Mikanko if they go first. Trying to out 2-3 towers that will beat me if I do anything makes me sad
there exists a xyz? that lets you ignore towers, i only pulled off the combo once or twice in my 91 hours of playtime. but if theres zero interuptions you can beat anyone *outside of maybe rikka or whoever uses life gain although my way is low odd's since i dont really know deck building or massive combos, so i cant play most decks
@@SSJ3CyLink who would that be? I’m assuming you mean go into Zeus?
I dont have zues and he's only 3k attack, not 8000
@@SSJ3CyLink okay well who is the Xyz
Dumb take: overtuned generic boss/Extra Deck monsters should be, rather than entirely forbidden, complex banned out of non-archetypal decks (which is easier said than done, I know). Or at least, erratad into being less generic
Imagine if Baronne needed Fleur Synchron, or if you couldn't play Verte Anaconda in non Predaplant-heavy decks
As another comment said, it would have to force konami to print even usable boss monsters for even past archetypes, kinda like Endymion with him and Jackal king being the main boss monsters
Generic boss monsters give a fighting chance to kinda bad archetypes
But meta decks being able to use them like nothing too feels like someone taking a disabled parking spot
okay but fuck the logical argument for borrel/baronne I want to play rocks leave me alone I don't want my end board being apo dragite and red dragon archfiend
Faced tenpai at locals… I think I quit yugioh
I don't hate mikanko for what it does but the cards are still badly designed because the effects are distributed across multiple cards and you have to look for a short sentence that is somewhere on 3 cards which have hundreds of words each if you want to know what makes them untargetable for example. Its ok card design but the worst text structure of all time.
I stg master duel players are regarded. Quite that bs for db and paper play only and havent looked back once.
2:42 Oh hi me.
And the dittrrs one those bots
Ive seen so many comments where people are saying they use unusual tech and the only responses they get are. This card is bad. You sbould use something else. Despite you saying it works, it never works.
Rank needs to actually ranked and be based on skill. Tired of getting slammed meta decks cause people are trash at the game they need op cards to win.
Mikanko is genuinely one of the worst archetypes in the game. I'm not saying its ineffective but its a bad strategy to have in a game that is focused on interacting with your opponent based on their unique playstyle. Mikanko just doesn't care and does the same thing every game with zero variation.
Mikanko can be very enjoyable. I've had plenty of games playing it where I've had to get creative with their interactive pieces to be successful. Not to mention they are really easy to counter in tcg. Not as easy in master duel but still
Wich episode of MD Memes is this 0:15
the mikanko duality is easy
you're not allowed to complain about mikanko, because it isn't a tiered strat
you're also not allowed to like mikanko, because it's a cringe blind second otk strat that requires zero "skill"
/r/masterduel brainrot at its finest
the hottest take about yugioh is that its fun (I play masterduel how could you tell)
Isn't Mikanko controversial BECAUSE people love and hate it?
"This player has never heard of a side deck"
Is reading comments on the master duel reddit where master duel is a best of 1 format.
🧠
I think the real problem is the Bo3 format in the TCG needs to be removed. Align the TCG with master duel and the OCG.
I’m pretty sure OCG also uses side deck my guy
@@arkanamaster4961 oh shit I have to go rewatch YCS Japan because I must have missed 2/3rds of all of the matches. I only watched 1 of each round.
If liking mikanko is controversial then disliking mikanko is also obviously going to be controversial.. Not sure what you meant?
Reading moment
I miss my wife, tails
Bro these Intros... And those bots
My hot take is that we should straight up reboot the game… start fresh, learn from konamis numerous mistakes when it comes to card design.
Physically impossible and financially the worst move ever. Thank god Konami is in control
If your deck doesn't have boss monster without Bar on the floor or savage dragon then it doesn''t deserve them
Right? If your deck has no boss monsters without generic omni-negates, your deck either sucks and you probably should not be playing it and thinking your vaguely competitive, or your deck is some bull like snake-eye that can make 20+ material which konami forgot a restriction clause on and you are too omni-negate pilled to consider doing anything else
@@rosem325
So, every deck ever ? 😂😂😂
@@jeanriviere2599tear???
@@Finalslashes especially tear.
Nah I'm not even a kash player but i 100% think kashtira already suffered enough in MD. Tear, SS and Snake Eyes all got released with almost no pre hit, but kash specifically needed to be murdered since day 0 for some reasons.
locking all 10 zones of your opponent's board is a pretty damn good reason.
@@SnowyGrass toxic and strong are two completely different things. The timelord deck is extremely toxic, but I doubt anyone would consider it even remotely rouge. Tear is not a toxic deck, but it's much stronger than Kash, and despite that it got less pre hits.
What u smoking my guy? Tear released with no prehits? Wild they prehit da fuck outta tear, Kashtira was the last deck that came out with prehits.
@@SStrikeFury tear's pre hits were nothing considering how consistent the deck was even with them.
Fuck all new Archetypes from the Get go tbh
Albaz spawned a ton of unfun Extra Deck Spammy bs
Riseheart spawned a bunch of toxic ass Gimmik Decks
Both of wich needed a ton of restrictions and Bans and both of them are still annoying af
Really funny video. I approve the joel.
I know that's not how we evaluate cards but Dargoon is waaay better than DPE when on the board. DPE's garnets are way better and thus he is more payable but people talk as if DPE is the better card in a vacuum
Side deck is the mistake
Objectively bad take
"why are the post about liking Mikanko and the post complaining about Mikanko both getting downvoted. how are they both controversial"
it's almost like Mikanko has people feeling strongly about both opposing viewpoints. or as some would call that, "controversial"
I see a lot of people complaining that certain decks are unfun to play against. But what are decks that are fun to play against? Most like decent to good deck's literal purpose is to stop your opponent from playing the game. That is yugioh.
Thats not even completely true, its just the TCG equivalent of fighting game players saying "every character is bullshit except mine (when i play them)"
"That is Yugioh"
Yeah no
Ever played against Magnet Warriors?
Archfiends?
Junk?
Vendread?
Monolith?
Anything that isn't inherently a Deck made to spam out a Generic Boss or that isn't packed full of Traps/Spells that just Block and negate anything?
@@kingknightisbestknight7398so bad decks. You like bad decks in a competitive setting. You want to do nothing turn 1.
@@kingknightisbestknight7398 No, because those are all bad decks
what do u mean these cards ? 🤨
Another controversial take: MekLord should be tier zero
why EEV AND BARRIER are is simple they are crap now they are only playable in decks that can search them unless you want to be toxic again and use thrust to get them but then you must ask yourself isn't thrust issue. currently they are like a handtrap you must draw it to use it but unlike handtrap you arent playing half a deck of them. yes it does because if it didn't why is ash legal it's been good in nearly every format and it's only point is to slow the opponent
Thanks for reacting to my meme
"Decks are underexplored!"
"Hey guyz, i love playing mikanko"
"Stop exploiting to make your bad deck viable"
wtf are these bots
nah fenrir & unicorn gotta go
Just put fenrir to one, ban Arise heart and put all others things to normal 😂😂😂
Also arise heart is just stupid
It's a 3k atk and def, can be summon like zoodiac without restrictions, macro cosmos at home, zeus on steroid and just put the infinitrack link 1 moster to make it cannot be destroy by card effects
8:52 "what I can't target?" So they hate target immunity but love to negate from the previous post.
Nothing wrong with kashtira, i'd rather fight kashtira than tear or lab, bad take worst player
The fact that there are 3 stages to get rid completely of a card (aka banish face down) shows how the pace of the game has been mutilated, while having cards that can access that last stage of removal for free while activating effects that further make you unable to access anything, be it your deck or zones. Kashtira, whether you can counter it or not, is such a messed up archetype that is the antithesis of bad game design.
Controversial take: get rid of all hand traps and kashteira
So make everything board breaker draw heaven, kash is just floodgate control
This was some great copium
Oh looks it's me as the first reply
Unban Dragoon plz konami!!