What's My Line? - Roy Campanella; Ted Husing [panel] (Sep 6, 1953)
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- MYSTERY GUEST: Roy Campanella
PANEL: Dorothy Kilgallen, Steve Allen, Arlene Francis, Ted Husing
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Love seeing this video. Roy Campanella was my great grand father although I never got to meet him. It’s nice hearing his voice and seeing his smile.
Your Grampy left you a gift more precious & more rare than gold. He left you a good name. Please don't do anything that would bring shame. Good name/reputation once lost, can never be repaired. Some one. some where, some how will ALWAYS learn your secret & TELL it.
So cool!!!
he was a good man
One of my baseball heros!
STOP TELLING FIBS ON TH-cam
My father was a Brooklyn Dodgers fan and often spoke of the greatness of Campanella. His story is tragic and career cut short as he had been paralyzed in a car accident shortly after the Dodgers moved to LA.. His story is depicted in his book and the movie , “It’s good to be Alive”..to see him healthy and walking was poignant..
Hilarious episode.
“The sellers, dear; they’re little men behind cages…” 😂
Arlene is just a delight on this episode. I have got to have my fix of two or three of this shows before bedtime. Am so happy I found this on youtube. Thanks so much for downloading these shows I always have a smIle was I watch them. What a classy group of people
Glad you're enjoying the series, Jimmy.
Im watching several a day. Have just discovered them a few weeks ago . Now watching them in order 1950 to 54.
Roy Campanella was very big for his age: when he was 15 in 1937, he started to play in what was then called the Negro Leagues. For a while, he would only play on Saturdays and when school was out. But it wasn't long before he was good enough to play full-time and at 16 he quit high school to do so. The following year at age 17, he became the starting catcher.
Having a wife and two children, he received a military deferment during WWII. But he continued to play for Baltimore as their top catcher through 1945, except for 1943 when he played in the Mexican League.
He went to spring training in 1946 as part of the Dodgers organization. Branch Rickey had slotted Jackie Robinson to play for the Dodgers top farm team in Montreal. But knowing he had to integrate gradually at first, he had to find a Dodger minor league team willing to take Roy and Don Newcombe. That club turned out to be Nashua (NH) in the Class B level New England League.
Their manager that year, Walt Alston, knew that Campanella had 6 plus years as a starter in the Negro Leagues, where the talent level was close to the Major Leagues and far above Class B. And so it turned out that he made Campanella the first Black to manage a game in what was called Organized Baseball. If he got thrown out of a game, he handed the lineup card to Roy to manage the team the rest of the game. Campy made quite a sacrifice for a chance to eventually play in the Major Leagues, taking a pay cut from 600 a month in Baltimore to $185 a month in Nashua.
After an MVP season in Nashua, Campy was sent to Montreal where Robinson had played in 1946. Roy won the MVP award in that league, too. During the winter of 1947-48, the Dodgers starting catcher hurt his arm and he was never the same player again. Durocher was desperate for Campanella to be the Dodgers starting catcher at the beginning of the 1948 season, but Branch Rickey had other plans. He wanted Campanella to go to their other AAA farm club in St. Paul because the American Association still had not had a black player by the start of the 1948 season. Rickey wanted a player of Roy's ability to pave the way so he could send other Black players in the Dodger system to that team. Roy reluctantly went there and just tore up that league until Rickey was forced to bring him up. By then, the job of integrating the league had been done and the Dodgers were desperate for help.
Campanella was called back to the Dodgers on July 2 and Leo Durocher made him his starting catcher immediately. All he did in his first three games, playing against the Giants at Ebbets Field was go 9 for 12 with a double, a triple, two home runs and four RBI's as the Dodgers won two games out of three. Having spent part of the 1948 season in last place a year after they won the NL pennant, Durocher was allowed to resign and go to the Giants and the Burt Shotton (who managed the Dodgers in 1947 when Durocher was suspended from baseball) was rehired. They won 50 of the 73 games Campy started that year after he was recalled from the minors.
For the next eight years, with Campanella the Dodgers regular behind the plate, the Dodgers would finish either first or second in every one of those years, winning five National League pennants, one World Series, and were eliminated twice from winning the pennant on the last day of the season (one of those two in the third game of a best of three playoff with Campy injured). Campanella was a huge part of that team that would become known as the Boys of Summer, winning three MVP awards. Named along with Robinson, Newcombe and Larry Doby to be the first Black players in the All-Star Game in 1949, he caught every inning of every All-Star Game for the National League, starting with the fourth inning of the 1949 game until the 8th inning of the 1954 game. He managed to play in ten Major League seasons before his career ended and was elected to Baseball's Hall of Fame. If it wasn't for racial bigotry, he would have easily had at least 4½ more years in the majors, possibly more, and his career statistics would have ranked among the best catchers of all time.
According to official league statistics for his games in the Negro Leagues, in 474 at bats (equivalent to one full major league seasons), Campanella hit 14 home runs, drove in 108 runs and batted .314 with a .481 slugging average. He is also rated as having the most powerful throwing arm ever for a catcher (he has the best percentage of throwing out base stealers of any catcher who played at least 100 games), was an adept handler of pitchers (not easy at the beginning in the majors for a black catcher with almost an entirely white pitching), amazingly agile for someone with his bulk (5'9" and at least 215 pounds during most of his career with the Dodgers). Sometimes called "The Cat" by sportswriters, he was excellent at fielding bunts and blocking pitches in the dirt, but his size also made him a roadblock when a runner tried to score on a close play at home. For a slugger (he hit 242 home runs in 4205 at bats), he was also difficult to strike out, with only 501 in his Major League career.
I was only five years old in January 1958. I had already received one terrible bit of news that off season: the Dodgers were leaving Brooklyn for Los Angeles. But at that age, hope springs eternal and until the Dodgers played their first game in the 1958 season and it said Los Angeles on the box score, I still held out hope that somehow the Dodgers would return to Brooklyn to stay. (It was during the late 1990's when I finally totally accepted the fact that the Dodgers weren't coming back to Brooklyn and there are still tears in my eyes as I type this.)
And I can hardly type when I think about the events of January 28, 1958. Roy owned a liquor store in Harlem which he helped manage in the off season. He normally came home in the afternoon, but he had stayed in town to participate in a YMCA fund raiser on a local television station. Then he went up to Harlem to help close his store for the night. Then he drove to his home in Glen Cove on the north shore of Long Island.
His car was in the shop for repairs and he was driving a car that he wasn't familiar with. About a mile from his home, he hit a slick patch on an S-curve while driving at 30 mph. He lost control of the car, skidded, hit a telephone pole and the car overturned. He fractured two vertebrae (fifth and sixth) and compressed his spinal cord. I remember seeing the story on both the front and back pages of the NY Daily News, and I remember the sickening feeling when I saw the picture of the smashed car he was driving. And yes, by that age, I was already able to read. All I knew was that one of my heroes was hurt really bad. But maybe, just like maybe the Dodgers would return to Brooklyn, he would get better and play again. Publicly doctors held out a small amount of hope. Privately, they were much less optimistic.
Paralyzed from the shoulders down, Roy Campanella demonstrated the same kind of courage and determination as he had shown during his great playing career. No, he never walked again, let alone played. With physical therapy, he was able to regain use of his hands and arms enough to feed himself, shake hands and gesture as he talked. He lived until age 71, much longer than would be expected for someone who had suffered his injuries. He continued to be employed by the Dodgers, first for them in New York City while he continued to help operate his liquor store, and then in 1978 in Los Angeles to serve as an assistant to his buddy Don Newcombe in the Dodgers Community Relations Department.
I met Roy and had a long chat about the Dodger prospects in 1979 when he Surprised Dinah Shore by coming unannounced to appear on her show. I worked for KTLA in the engineering group and was back stage talking with Roy while they told Dinah he was there. His enthusiasm and personality I will never forget. It was such a privilege to meet him.
Tomorrow is the last we'll see of Dorothy for a while. Watching her every night for the past year and especially these past few weeks running down the clock, it is impossible not to see just how important she was to the show. I know it's been said many times, and the other regulars are absolutely important in their own fashion, but the show without Dorothy would have been more of a typical quiz, celebrity show. With Dorothy Killgallen's verve and competitive game playing, it became that much more exciting. I miss her already.
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Another funny dialogue:
Arlene: Do you work in the vicinity of the sellers?
Contestant: Yes.
Dorothy: The who?
Arlene: The sellers, dear. There are the little men behind cages who...
Dorothy: I thought you meant the wine cellars! :) 14:22
Arlene was worth every penny of her salary. She was funnier than the comics, had investigative skills almost equal to Dorothy’s, and she didn’t waste time. And, she oozed charm.
Roy Campanella was one of the three or four best catchers in MLB history. And that comes from a Giants fan.
Better than Buster Posey ?
Yes, he was better than Posey. Had Campanella been allowed to play in major league baseball sooner his career would have been even more historic.
@@mitchweiner Buster Posey isn't even as good as Joe Mauer
@@rosm5114 That’s hilarious... Agree to disagree
@@mitchweiner yes
Half the time I will look away when they display the line, so I can guess also. I'm proud to say that I guessed the lipstick one correctly very early on, when Steve asked "If I were using this product right now, would you notice it?".
I love this show.
First guest was charming, and with a lovely smile . I can see how she got her job!
Ted Husing was the original voice of the WWII radio program March of Time and an announcer for shows such as George Burns and Gracie Allen. He had one of the finer voices in broadcasting.
Roy Campy walking around!! So sad what happened to him in 1958.
I cant be the only one thats amazed by how great Roy Campanella's handwriting is
I definitely did
That crossed my mind as well. It could be basis for a great e-card font - ‘Campanella’ :-)
I saw campy give a talk at queens borough community college in 1974. Fine man
Ted Husing was one of the greatest sportscasters of all time, a model for a generation of his colleagues. The following spring he developed a malignant brain tumor and had to retire. He never fully recovered and died in 1962, a great loss. He was only 60 years old. You haar his voice on all kinds of old news reels.
Omg My cousin is married to Roy Campanella's grandson. RC Iii. Great guy. Such a gentleman.
Two years after this show, Roy Campanella and the Brooklyn Bums upset my Yanks in a 7 game WS. Glad it was before my time. After a near-fatal auto accident that left him paralyzed, Roy became a great ambassador for Major League Baseball. In 1972, the Dodgers retired the Hall of Fame catcher's #39.
I love these old shows!
"Is it anything that holds something up that has a tendency to fall down?." LOL Arlene could be so funny so spontaneously. The CBS censors were sweating, though, I bet.
The questioning of the first guest was hilarious.
Miss Krilow, contestant #1 was not only attractive, but seemed full of personality as well. It would be interesting to know what became of her.
Charming lady indeed. Stunningly beautiful and with humour. She even paused in front of the panel for a second. :) 3:01
A quick search didn't turn up anything about her besides this WML episode. Maybe nandofigueira2005 will be able to find something...
nandofigueira2005
It may not be *later* information, but I knew you'd come up with something! :) She probably got married and changed her name.
nandofigueira2005
Interesting. Thanks for the info.
Unfortunately, it appears that +nandofigueira2005 has left the building, so I don't see what information was dug up on Miss Krilow. So trying to find that same trail, I see that she appears to have been born on 8/4/1929, graduated from Hughes HS in Cincinnati as part of the Class of '46, and in June 1947 her picture appeared in small town papers around the United States with a couple of other attractive young ladies while cavorting on the beach and modeling swimwear.
I agree that she seemed to have what it took to have a successful career as a spokeswoman/model and perhaps an actress. She is beautiful, friendly, outgoing, poised before the cameras and no problems conversing and ad libbing during the walk of shame and game play. And she is still only 24 years old at the time this show aired.
Without knowing the back story (and sometimes even if one does know it), it can be a mystery as to why one person becomes a success and another equally talented person does not. Unless she or a relative searching her name comes across this page and responds, we may never know. I did find that there is an attractive model currently by the name of Regina Krilow, but her nationality is given as Brazilian on everything I read. Of course, if Dolores married a Brazilian and her granddaughter took her last name for professional reasons ...
Ted Husing was a legendary sportscaster for many years. He died after battling brain cancer for some time, in 1962.
Ted Husing also covered many news special events for radio too!
HOOAH! Thanks again for posting I so love these shows. Watching the shows before I was born. I do remember watching this as a kid. I was born in 1956.
Man, that Roy Campanella - WOOF! 🔥
John Daly seemed like a good bloke. Smart, funny, quick witted. He's make a great next door neighbor!
About 13 minutes in John's description of how to win every $5 we flip a card and "10 dollars and you win the game"
He actually says "10 no's and you win the game" No idea why you think he said something that doesn't make sense.
What a sad omen of an episode. Within a year of this telecast, sportscaster Ted Husing would be blinded after a brain tumor operation, while we all know that Campy was paralyzed in a car crash in early 1958, before the Dodgers could play their first game in California. Both men would write books about their experiences, "My Eyes Are In My Heart" and "It's Good to Be Alive", respectively.
As a lifelong Dodger fan, I can say that September 6, 1953 was both a memorable and wonderful day in Dodger history. Yes, Campy would break one record and tie another for catchers that year. He was en route to 41 home runs that year, his highest total in any major league season, a league leading 142 RBI's (also by far his best ever) and his second of three Most Valuable Player awards (winning in the odd years: 1951, 1953 and 1955.
It was also a great day because not only did the Dodgers beat the Giants at the Polo Grounds that day, they swept the hated Giants in a three-game series that covered most of Labor Day weekend. That gave the Dodgers an 11 game lead over the second place Milwaukee Braves and a magic number of 8. Meanwhile the Giants were mired in fifth place with a losing record, 30 games behind. They long since been eliminated from any mathematical chance of winning the pennant.
But the biggest news of the day was alluded to when John Daly was trying to stop the panel from any unsanctioned conferences. I believe it was Dorothy who suggested that Steve ask if the player was involved in a brawl that day. In fact, there was a huge one.
The Giants struck first with an Al Dark home run off Preacher Roe in the bottom of the first inning. The Dodgers answered back with a single by Jackie Robinson and Campanella's home run. That gave Campanella one record and the piece of another. It also gave the Dodgers a lead they never relinquished in the game. But the fireworks were still coming in this inning.
After Gil Hodges grounded out, Carl Furillo stepped to the plate. To a man, the Dodger players hated the Giants manager Leo Durocher, but probably no one on Brooklyn hated Leo more than Furillo. Furillo hated playing for Durocher in 1946 and a portion of the 1948 season. That hatred became personal when Durocher moved uptown to manage the Giants. Durocher knew which players to leave alone, but Furillo was one he thought he could get under the skin of and distract him from playing his best. In 1949, a Giants pitcher on Leo's orders, hit Furillo in the head and he went to the hospital with a concussion. And Sal Maglie would always pitch inside to Furillo and the rest of the Dodger batters.
Hodges and Furillo were by far the strongest men on the Dodgers and among the strongest in baseball (along with Ted Kluszewski on Cincinnati). But where Hodges usually used his strength to break up fights, Furillo had a vicious temper. (He once put his own roommate on the Dodgers in the hospital as the team was coming north at the end of spring training because the roommate gave Carl lip and wouldn't turn out the light so Carl could go to sleep even after Carl asked him a couple of times.
One of the things Durocher was known to do as a manager (with both the Dodgers and the Giants) was to order his pitchers to throw at opposing batters, especially in certain situations. This was one of them. The Dodgers had pounded the Giants for 16 runs the day before (Campy hit two home runs in that one), Campanella had just hit another homer to give the Dodgers the lead and Furillo (who happened to be leading the league in batting average at the time) is coming to the plate.
Ruben Gomez was on the mound for the Giants that day. He was a rookie who was part of the Giants starting rotation and he was on his way to becoming one of Durocher's most obliging headhunters. This time, he hit Furillo on the wrist with a pitch. He went toward the mound and exchanged words with Gomez but two players were separated and Furillo went down to first base.
Billy Cox, the next Dodger batter was at the plate, but the television cameras stayed on Furillo and Durocher, screaming at each other. Durocher challenged Furillo to come at him and suddenly Furillo obliged, racing toward the Giants dugout. Before anyone could intervene, Furillo had Durocher in a headlock so tight that when his cap came off, you could see his bald head turning purple. They're rolling on the ground in front of the Giants dugout when other players on each team try to pull them apart. Otherwise, Furillo might have been arrested for manslaughter. As they are being separated on the ground, someone stepped on Furillo's pinky and broke his metacarpal bone.
He missed the last 17 games of the regular season. But he stayed in the lead with the best batting average in the National League, barely staying ahead of a hot hitting Red Schoendienst of the Cardinals (.344 to .342). That fight may have enabled Furillo to win the National League batting title. And he was able to play every game of the World Series and had a commendable .333 average.
There is something about baseboll we non-Americans never going to understand. How can a whole continent be so obsessed with this sport that almost no other nations play? It must be deeply rooted in your DNA. How many films have not been made about baseboll or where baseboll was a major part of the plot or where the finale was staged on a baseboll field? I don't understand the rules, since they are taken for granted, so I am totally lost with all the ins and outs and secret signs, and umpires and what they are called. In every High-school-movie you have the obligatory element of cheerleaders and husky football players. Disney and other family movies are often about kids or grown-ups who play baseboll.
I am not a fan of sport but I can still feel some jealousy of your collective devotion. I know that if I had been born as an American I would have enjoyed baseboll in some form, maybe as a player in school or just as an audience. In Sweden we have a similar form of baseboll called "Brännboll". You don't have any pitcher or bowler, the batsman himself throws or bounces the ball (usually a tennis ball) and hits it with his bat. "Brännboll" was the only ballgame I enjoyed in my school days since I was lousy in all other sports.
+Johan Bengtsson
It's all a matter of perspective, I guess. Many Americans don't understand the rest of the world's obsession with soccer/football (FIFA). I've played both and enjoyed playing both. And I enjoy watching both. I will add however that, dovetailing on another topic we have both posted on (12/26/54 Edgar Bergen episode), baseball can be enjoyed listening on radio once a person is familiar with the game and can imagine what is happening on the field based on the radio announcer's description. To truly enjoy the beauty of soccer, one must be able to see the ebb and flow on the field (pitch for you Brits) and no announcer can totally capture that.
In their essence, both games are fairly simple. In soccer, the task is to move the ball with your feet or head (only the goalie allowed to intentionally touch it with their hands ... unless you are Maradona in the 1986 Cup against England - LOL) between teammates to bring the ball upfield to eventually shoot at the other teams goal and hopefully score, while the other team's task is to intercept the ball so they can go on offense, with the goalie as their last line of defense to stop the ball from going in the goal.
Willie Mays described the basic simplicity of baseball: they pitch it, I hit it; they hit it, I catch it; I catch it, I throw it.
+Johan Bengtsson
There are two things that make baseball different from most other team games (soccer, hockey, basketball, American/Canadian football, rugby, lacrosse, water polo and so on). One, it is not a territorial game and there are no goals to defend at the edges of the territory. It is essentially an enhanced game of tag with safe havens. Two, it is not governed by time.
The runner's path in this game of tag includes three safe zones called bases and a fourth base (also called home plate) that is the ultimate goal of the runner: to reach without being tagged out or put out in some way (usually by the ball reaching a base the runner is required to go to or to return to). The confrontation between the pitcher and the batter is the entry point for a player on offense to run the bases in this enhanced game of tag. A batter is generally denied the entry to the bases if he: 1) hits the ball and a player on the other team catches it on the fly; 2) hits the ball and a player on the other team gets it to first base before the batter reaches it; 3) the batter swings and misses at a pitch or fails to swing at a properly aimed pitch (i.e. a "strike') when he already has accumulated two other strikes (which include foul balls not caught on a fly).
A batter gains entry to the bases if he avoids one of those three things happening. But once he is on the bases, he is still liable to be put out or tagged out until he scores or three outs have been made (because other batters have failed or other runners have been put out). If he reaches home plate, he scores a run. And if he bats the ball over the fence on a fly in fair territory, because no fielder can catch the ball, he is entitled to go around all the bases and score a run. A batter can also gain entry to the bases if he is by a pitch or the pitcher throws four improperly aimed pitches which he does not swing at (i.e. a "ball").
Each team gets nine chances ('innings") unless the game is tied after 9 innings (for both teams). Then it goes into extra innings. Since there is no time limit, games can continue indefinitely until one team has more runs at the end of an inning. The team that has the most times that a player successfully reach home plate in the game of tag has the most runs and wins the game. To be sure, there are nuances to these rules. But these are the basics.
+Johan Bengtsson
Now Americans are becoming more interested in soccer. We actually did fairly well as a country at the beginning of the 20th century (just men's teams in those days). History requires me to report that the U.S. national team won its first recognized international match on 8/20/1916 when they defeated the Swedish national team, 3-2, in Stockholm. We also finished third in the inaugural World Cup of 1930 with wins over Belgium and Paraguay before losing to Argentina in the semi-final round. We had a miracle win in Belo Horizonte, Brazil in the 1950 Cup over a very strong English side. Then the U.S. team suffered a long drought on the international stage, failing to qualify for the World Cup for 40 years until finally reaching the first round of the cup finals in Italy in 1990. It's best finish in the Cup since then was in 2002 in the cup split between South Korean and Japan, reaching the quarterfinal round under current head coach, Bruce Arena (who was the goalkeeper for my alma mater, Cornell, for part of the time when I attended there). The U.S. women's team has fared far better on the world stage, never ranked lower than #2, qualifying for all 7 World Cups and winning three of them. Soccer and basketball vie as the most popular team sports for women.
+Johan Bengtsson
Now as far as baseball being an international game, it is steadily moving in that direction. First of all, the game has its roots in the English games of cricket and rounders. It went through many variations and stages in the late 18th century into the middle of the 19th century until it gradually became recognizable as the game we now know as baseball. (Games involving a stick and ball go back to Ancient Egypt!)
In addition to North America (although hockey and lacrosse and probably basketball are more popular in Canada) and the Caribbean, the game is popular in some South American countries (notably Venezuela but growing in popularity in Colombia and Brazil) as well. It is especially popular in the Asian Pacific Rim, as Japan became quite fanatical about the sport in the 1920's and it became even more popular in 1934 when a group of U.S. All-Stars went there to teach the game and play against Japanese teams. Babe Ruth in particular was practically deified over there. Consistent with Japanese culture (according to my Japanese friends) baseball became even more popular after Japan's surrender to the U.S. and Allied Forces at the end of WWII. Japanese baseball is quite good now and they have a number of players capable of playing in the top leagues in North America.
More recently, the game is growing in popularity and talent level in South Korea, Taiwan, Australia, the Philippines, and the People's Republic of China. Baseball is also quite popular on some of the Pacific islands, whether introduced by the Japanese or the Americans, but their population is too small to make them a factor in international play.
And baseball is also growing in popularity in parts of Europe, notably the Netherlands, Italy, the U.K., France and Spain. It is also developing in Greece and Ireland. And Israel, while technically part of Asia often groups with Europe in sports, was represented quite well in this year's World Baseball Championships.
Baseball is also starting to grow in popularity in parts of India, particular in Manipur state of NE India. And the game is also growing in South Africa. Although they have enjoyed little success as a team outside of the continent, a member of their national team, Gift Ngoepe, recently became the first black African and the first person born on the mainland of Africa to make major league baseball in North America.
This is a perfect example of the panelists working together to ensure the audience is entertained by their 'conference'.
in 1953 radio shows were still very active but declining in listeners due to the television regular programs. In the mid to late 50's most people had tv sets and regularly watched shows
So the sedentary lifestyle started.
That first contestant is gorgeous and delightful.
The Wikipedia entry for Ted Husing includes: "In 1929, he was named studio director of WABC (the CBS flagship station)..."
The early days of radio were interesting, and confusing - the WABC in 1929 includes the same letters, but were named after a different company than the later/current WABC radio station.
We'll be revisiting 1953 after we get through all the episodes later in 2015.
There were several episodes that Gary had posted that were suffering from A/V dropouts, and well as others that could use some updates.
FIVE years after this, ROY would suffer in a debilitating car accident that left him in a wheelchair for the rest of his life. Bless you wherever you are, Roy ♥
19:30 Steve Allen stands to greet Roy Campanella when he departs, but the "Ted Husing" guy remains seated.
So nice to see this from a late 1990's GSN airing, before the non-stop credit crunchers and bumpers got out of hand.
Steve Allen was as good as the three regulars on this episode. Figured it out quickly.
Why was Steve's "Racetrack Employee" wild guess not correct? Siwwy wabbit, twix are for kids.
One of the greatest players that ever played
How nice society was back in those days
Kind of a shame Dorothy basically got the mystery guest so quickly. I wouldn't be surprised if they had Husing on to replace Cerf specifically because he was a baseball announcer and it would have been fun to see his question(s) to Campanella
The mystery guests tended to want the panel to guess them quickly, otherwise it seemed like they weren't that famous. Also, they usually knew who was in town and who would be plugging their work.
Steve stands up to greet Roy. Shame on Ted for not doing the same.
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Dolores had a beautiful smile when she was amused
Gary, I've been skimming through a lot of 1953 and 1952 episodes, and I noticed there would often be an abrupt cut after the Mystery Guest round, usually with GSN replacing it with a plug of their own.
I think what was originally there was Daly explaining how you could be a contestant on the program.
I think so too. John Daly would read the same bit of how to be a contestant on WML in every show, *EVERY*, for 17 years. Gil Fates writes in his book that among the thousand letters they received every week to the show barely a handful of them could be used.
Johan Bengtsson And I skimmed through an original broadcast copy of the Ronald Reagan episode on archive.org. After Reagan's segment, Daly does exactly that. This bit was not on the GSN version.
***** Yes,it does seem that GSN edited out the spiel about how to become a contestant. A couple of the episodes I've posted with original commercials have these bits restored.
Second contestant: Steve got it in the free guesses when he said racetrack employee. I would have thrown in the towel
Joe Postove
Yeah, as I commented on another thread, John should have at least agreed that he was a racetrack employee and then let them guess what his exact job was.
SaveThe TPC You can see the little ole' timekeeper when he has to fill time with a racetrack employee. It could have been anybody, right? Maybe it was the man who made the grilled cheeses and grapes drink?
Joe Postove Gary also suggested (in the other thread on this topic) that John was concerned about budgeting the game time well, but I still think John should have been consistent with the "free guesses." If someone gets it right, you have to give him/her at least partial credit for that and then move on from there. If he'd really needed to fill time (which he didn't in this episode) or if he just wanted to give the contestant more screen time, he could have added a short interview about the contestant's line at the end of the game. I'm just glad they eventually dropped the "free guess" aspect of the program all together! I think that was the best solution to this type of problem, and I always felt that the free guesses were largely a waste of time, anyway.
Roy had some bad ass writing, could have been a calligraphor
Oh what FUN, what a TREAT! Adults, nicely dressed, well groomed. The words have more than 1 syllables. no 'anders'.ums, what I mean is, er. or see what I'm sayin'
Husing was one of the significant founders of radio and TV sportscasting style, a career cut short by a brain tumor.
While Ted Husing was an extremely capable announcer in many genres and intelligent enough to attend NYC's prestigious Stuyvesant HS, the difference in his game play contrasted with the rest of the panel is obvious. It's as if the three regular panelists are dance masters and Husing, subbing for Bennett Cerf, is still looking for the footprints on the floor so he knows his next step.
What was John’s ear tug at 6:08 all about? Was he telling Arlene not to guess, yet?
Steve’s 4th and Arlene’s 2nd time to say, “Good night, boys.”
Roy was 3rd MG to be guessed with $0. (Dorothy passed to Steve)
ABC should try a re-boot of WML for it's Sunday night game show line-up. I'd watch!
I've noticed, for many weeks, that the audience members no longer whistle and whoop when any reasonably attractive female guest signs in. This cannot be simply because Hal Block Has gone. It must have been prohibited by the producers, but how to enforce that?
Enforce. Tell audience not to whistle and hoot. When one does, as soon as they go to commercial break, have four big goons remove them from the studio and toss them to the curb. Done. LOL.
In the mid-sixties they whistled even more than in the early fifties.
First contestant, a type of modeling, John. and nice work if you can get it.
It’s an honor,,,
With the lipstick one, Dorothy says, "Is it possible for Steve to have gotten along up until now without wearing this?" And John said no. Um YEAH, I think it would be VERY possible for Steve to have gotten along up until now without wearing it! Why in the WORLD did John say no?!
John explains it. He was specifically taking about Steve because in one of his stage performances he would always wear lipstick.
That looked like a mistake. It certainly must have misled the panel, which is, I guess, the goal.
If This has already been said, I'm Not Sorry (for saying it again); the Lipstick Lady is *GORGEOUS* 🎨👙🎨👙🎨
Cerf would be Drooling and Wagging his Tail... . And That's Said Im Kind.. .
I never thought Steve Allen would be a cheater, but it was obvious that he cocked his head in that manner so he could peek through the space between the mask and his nose. Arlene must have taught him the trick.
I assumed the “Steve wearing lipstick” thing meant from kissing a woman with lipstick!? 🤷♀️
Campanella was paralyzed and wheel-chair bound for the rest of his life as a result of a car accident in Jan. 1958.
After seeing the first contestant, well, there was no way Hal Block was going to be allowed to live.
Can anyone watching this program in the present time truly claim that we have evolved as an intellectual species since this time?
There has been no call for general chatter. 😄😄😄😄😄
An instance where Steve Allen has ben 'primed' to ask those questions of the lipstick lady. .....to get the hilarity from the studio audience.
In response to Dorothy's question (starting 7.21), John got it completely wrong. The question was, "Could Steve have got along up to now without ever having worn one of these (lipstick) ? John answered for the guest and said, "no" and flipped a card.
"I think he's a race track employee."
"Very interesting answers but none absolutely correct."
So, he was a volunteer racetrack pari-mutuel clerk?
Does anybody have any idea who was involved in the "rhubarb" that Dorothy mentioned during Roy Campanella's segment? I'm interested in all things baseball!
It was Carl Furillo of the Dodgers and Leo Durocher, manager of the Giants. Full details of the incident are given in a post above by Lois Simmons. She has a couple of posts for this episode; the one you want is the one that starts "As a lifelong Dodger fan".
Mr. Ted Housing and Mr. John Daly look like they could be cousins, they have a resemblance to each other. Funny.
Rabbit breeder interesting job, must be a lot of fun.
This episode is certainly an eiry compounded future bad luck in sports episode what with Roy whose career got cut short by an auto wreck and Ted's bad luck in sportscasting when it got cut down by a brain tumor.
*eerie*
Steve Allen, if not outright given the lines, *had* to have been fed general questions to ask. There's no other way he could ask such conspicuously unusual questions that are only funny due to the contestant's line in nearly every episode he's been in.
Yes, producers have admitted 'hinting' at specific lines of questioning (not telling them the actual answer) at least in the first few years until the American game show quiz scandal was exposed.
Out of curiosity, when did they change the mystery guest rules to only allowing one question at a time per panel member?
I'll give you the long answer to that. :)
Gil Fates writes in hos book,
"Bennett prided himself on his ability to identity the Mystery Guest, and each Sunday night he used to come into the studio with a scribbled list of the suspects he knew to be in Town. Just before the program took to the air he would stand alone backstage with his glasses pushed up onto his forehead and a scrap of paper held close to his nose, squinting at their names in the dimmish light. Onstage, Bennett was not exactly a team player. He was burdened with no ethic of showmanship to restrain him from blurting out a name even though the Mystery Guest had been onstage for only twenty seconds. We tried to circumvent this by changing the rules of the Mystery Guest game to allow each panlist only one question at a time. We would then start the game with Bennett, on the theory that he wouldn't dare make a guess without even having heard the guest grunt. With this device we guaranteed that each panlist would get at least one question before it came around to Bennett again and he batted it off."
Johan Bengtsson Aha! Thank you for clearing some certain things up, which I've been pondering about for a while, Johan! :)
DebbieFaubion
I don't remember what year or in which episode this rule was changed, but I do remember watching that episode on this channel. For several shows afterwards, John still needed to remind the panel (and the audience) of the new rules somewhat explicitly.
Thanks for supplying the book quote, Johan Bengtsson!
DebbieFaubion - It changed on the April 17, 1955 episode, with ice skater Barbara Ann Scott as the mystery guest. :)
A four-footed vegetarian....Bennett Cerf. 23:36 Hahaha!!
Good God those baseball players were always chewing on something!
John looked like he was balding in 1953..and then it looked exactly the same from there on in. Like he reached a balding peak,and never receded further. Usually once men start to go bald it carries on . Just an observation.
winterlandboy He had an elaborate combover.
Yes, he certainly did. I've gotten used to it, but the first time I saw it back in the 1960's, I remember thinking, "Does he actually think no one notices?"
Same with Bennett
"Could Steve have gotten along in life without having worn [a lipstick]" is ambiguous. Even if Steve wore lipstick once, he (like most men) certainly COULD've very well lived his live without ever wearing it. It's not the same as "Did Steve ever wear [lipstick]?"
The last guy got short shrift.
John gave no 2 away he should have flipped them all and would have, had it been an attractive woman, I am sorry to say. What a flubb by a consistently fair moderator
I'm trying to figure out how Arlene thought one of the free guesses was on target just because John Daly said "some interesting answers". She was obviously right, but every week the free guesses could always be termed interesting answers so not sure how she jumped on that one so quick.
Jeff Vaughn It was rigged! Rigged, I tell you!
:)
I can't recall ever have seen John regret a decision and flip the card back in favour of the panel. Arlene's sweet talk may have soften him up...
What's My Line?
Hahaha..........right! I'm always amazed at how intuitive she is. I checked on several other videos and usually after the free guesses John said "no, none of you are right" (or something along those lines) and she picked up on him saying it a little different this time.
Jeff Vaughn
I actually wondered why John didn't just admit that Mr. Connor *was* indeed a racetrack employee but then just make the panel guess what his exact job was. Is it possible that although he worked at the racetrack he wasn't employed by it?
SaveThe TPC Sometimes I think it's more a matter of budgeting the time left in the show properly than the game itself.
Why does John stand up at 22:10?
He knew he was being long-winded with the answer- it was a quirk of his to stand when he felt things were a tad confusing or he was confusing or obfuscating. He sometime got out of his chair and walked away at times. Just his way, I think.
In this case it looked like bowed toward Dorothy.
Is Roy Campanella chewing gum during his appearance on screen? Sometimes it looks like he is and sometimes it looks like he isn't. It's a trivial thing of course but surprising in a show that had formal clothes, polite manners and an air of sophistication - plus the perfect gentleman John Daly.
I don't think anyone cares.
he was, I guess but then it may be to change his voice a bit..
It seems like Roy was instructed to look at John before answering. Did he really have to ask John whether he was in sports?
Maybe he was nervous as most of us would be.
One more thing: non-carnivorous could refer to an omnivore (ourselves for example) or a herbivore (a sheep for example). It's a word I have never heard before.
It is not really a word but it means not carnivorous. So it would be a herbivore only, omnivorous means you eat both plant and animal.
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15:59 Who?
He was a catcher for the Brooklyn Dodgers baseball team.
Rabbits are farm animals? Who knew?
Lots of people...?
Campers, welcome to Fred's Rabbit Hutch Dude Ranch. Rest assured that your safety is always first and foremost during your stay here. You will be paired with only the tamest rabbits.
Now while you are here, you will see some exciting exhibitions: the rabbit milking contest, the rabbit roping competition, and the demonstration of rabbit-busting where our most experienced ranch hands will show off the skills of breaking the toughest and meanest wild male rabbits. It will be a hare-raising adventure. (That's just a little rabbit ranch humor, folks.) But please remember that these ranch hands have years of experience. You will not asked to be part of such activities. And please do not try them at home.
And now, since we know you've had a long bus ride here, please follow me over to the Elmer Fudd Dining Room for some rabbit stew with lettuce and carrot salad, topped by our famous duck season dressing.
You probably are very young. In WWII they bred rabbits all over as alternatives to beef, which went to the front, if possible. So rabbits were all over, from cities to farms.
+Markxxx
Assuming you directed your last comment to me, bless you my child! I'm 64!!!
Yes, I know that rabbits have been bred for food (as well as being hunted in the wild for food). But having loved to listen to lots of stories from my parents. their friends and other members of "the greatest" generation I've come to know over the years, I heard them talk all about WWII rationing and things like the little capsules of yellow dye you could buy to make oleomargarine look like butter when you mixed it in because in the store it resembled lard. But I never heard any of them talk about eating rabbit. And since my dad was German, I'm sure he knew about hasenpfeffer. Maybe they didn't make their way as far as NYC.
Anyway, the point, as it is in many of these discussions: is the panel misled by the the yes or no response they receive? In particular, would the panelists at that time think of rabbit as a farm animal? Or would they be applying that terminology to cows, chickens, pigs, sheep and even an animal that isn't commonly bred for food these days (the horse) but not rabbits?
My dad and his brother raised rabbits during WWII. They traded them to the German butcher in town to get extra meat ration coupons
I would take Hal Block over Allen. Block was very genial, not arrogant and pompous like Allen.
Joh Daly is so creepy. Because she's (the first challenger) attractive he asks her twice in a creepy way whether she was "Miss".
I would have asked her a third time. She was gorgeous with personality!
Welcome to WML, the more you watch it, the more you would understand you were silly!
Another guest connected with the often featured BORING subject of baseball!
yawn! yawn!
Where are the universal stars of stage and screen?
KAN UK
Absolutely. Both the game and the players are only good for my insomnia. Baseballl and cricket both. You’d think the panel would have better things to do with their time.
Chewing gum on TV? So stupid.