Project TaoTao : 50cc Scooter Ignition Mods : Racing CDIs, Red Hot Coil, & A Free Mod
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- This update covers ignition system upgrades. Starting with a "red hot" aftermarket ignition coil, moving on to try two different performance / racing CDIs, and then a free mod that can advance the timing. I show results as well as how to do all of the upgrades.
These are all very popular mods for GY6 50cc / QMB139 powered scooters, so watch the video before you spend your money on parts that may not do what you would hope.
This scooter is a TaoTao ATM50-A1.
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Ive never seen this much attention to detail on a moped you got a sick ride
Well done and your exposure if the aftermarket CDI units as basically "dumb switches" will save others money. Also your method of slotting the pickup is the only way to get adjustable ignition timing with any of the systems. Your narration is excellent (music in a tech video is as stupid as the children who want it). Nice work all around.
Thanks!
Yea china junk. They are liars. Same people who purposely sold Americans fake rice made of plastic. And purposely manufactures and sells products to last just long enough where consumers cannot return.
Even though this is quite an old video, I've found it to be one of the most informative videos out on the Internet. Pretty much nobody bothered to do any decent measurements in timing advancements and so on. Thank you and cheers from Poland!
Thanks. The age doesn't matter. These Chinese scooters and the aftermarket CDIs are still being made the same way.
Wasn't even worth my time watching, just raise the slide needle for the carb,,, presto more power.
@@ronzogo no that is called tuning your carb you are just giving it more fuel between 25% and 75% throttle i believe but changing the timing of your ignition is just different and if you first time your ignition as best as possible and then tune ur carb you will get the best results
@@49ccscoot
@@ronzogo- Clueless! LOL 😂 😂
They need to drop 50cc laws and have the minimum 100cc. As a standard.
rdizzo1313 pst little secret... Well not so secret but mmm anyway. Put a big bore kit on it :) not too hard just have to make sure your at top dead center with your piston when you take apart your motor to put the new pieces on. You can do that by making sure the large hole on your chain gear is pointing forward towards your front wheel and the two little are at the top and bottom. It gives you more power. Not sure how much more because I don't have all the tools this guy does but I know you'll do 45 50 easy and keep up with traffic. I have this same moped Taotao atm50-a1 mines a 2012 this guy's might be a 2013 since that's the year he made the video. But I keep up with traffic just fine :) good luck
They did this in Michigan as of 23 May 2018
cops dont care ,aslong you dont go on a highway or be speeding like a maniac on a school zone or 20mph zone.
i had a 80cc bore kit and a straight exhaust,never got pull over and it was loud. this year planning going 100cc bbk or maybe 105-110cc and 1500 rpm springs since i live on a hills.the clutch spring should help going up faster.
plus cops know that a 2 stroke is faster than a 4 stroke and that actual 4stroke cc is smaller than a 2 stroke even if it is a 100cc for a 4t it still equal to a 2t 50cc.
in atv race 4stroke have higher cc compare to 2 stroke in the same class .
2 stroke are quicker on acceleration and takes skillful person to pedal around corners in a 2 stroke
Agree think it should be 125cc
rdizzo1313 agreed. Tired of going 45 and my belt breaking all the goddamn time. Atleast let me go 60 and deck my shit out until I can get my license. I'm 17 and can't get my license til I'm 18 so I'm stuck with a moped :/
Brent:
I just watched this again after posting a link over at your Forum for a member and wow, what a ton of work you did just to make this one video! I could have easily made like 5 videos out of this one and had them be informative but you crammed all of this info into a single video...just fantastic Sir.
Bill
Thanks Bill.
Great job man. Thanks for taking the time and doing all this work and experiments and post them for everyone to see. Thank you
Thanks. Glad to put info like this out there so maybe some will think twice when they hear claims like 10MPH gains from CDI sellers.
@@49ccscoot Hi Scoot! Have you tested any aftermarket exhaust systems to this taotao? I cannot find anywhere to look who is trying to rippmeoff or sell me what they claim.
Best Regards!
@@bumblebob5979 Not yet. They aren't going to do much on a 49cc unless the current pipe is restricted. May start to be beneficial with larger displacement and better heads and such.
@@49ccscoot Okey, then im gonna take it a little chill on the exhaust spendings. Prob just gonna make a nice tailpipe mod on my current OEM system and watch it go :) Have a nice day! :D
Excellent report. The comment about the alternative CDI causing problems during cold starts happened to be very helpful. I had assumed that one CDI was much the same as any other in this respect.
What i learned from this is screw aftermarket cdi's il just advance the timing with the pick up coil :)
pure gold. this video is on point well put together, extremely helpful, and informative
Thanks!
Very objective, no conjecture, all pro. Many thanks for the graphical illustrations and thorough explanations! Thumbs up all the way.
Great Video. Best Information Available. Your attention to details and your scientific approach in testing for the most Accurate information possible was most impressive. Your detailed analysis of all the data from testing, placed in easy to understand grafts with a descriptive commentary, and explaining in detail, your findings with your own thoughts about test results included in this video. You supplied accurate information making it easy for fellow scooter owners to make decisions on upgrades and save money. Thanks Again..... Stickshift Martin
THANKS FOR THE VIDEO REALLY HELPS with many questions I had, im gonna try this on a 250cc automatic motorcycle for the fly wheel part
I'd like to second what everyone else here is commenting: your videos freakin' rock! I just bought this very scooter, along with a corresponding 100cc Big Bore kit, with which was included the racing CDI and ignition coil featured in this video. I changed both out last night, but after seeing this vid, I'm thinking I should at least change the coil back to stock. This may be for the best, as it will allow me to use the NGK spark plug boot you recommended in your assembly vid.
wow... so comprehensive . great info, thanks!
Great series! Very helpful to remind me of all the things I forgot from 40 years in the dealerships (since I retired).
Thanks for not lying to us to get advertising sponsorship. Your videos are always great man.
idk how I came across your video or why I decided to watch it but I enjoyed it. good video man.
+Carlos Dingo Thank you!
I like how thorough you are and with data to back everything up, nice work!
Good man. Very informative. Just got my Tao last week and this video is AWESOME. Time to do some upgrades.
One of the most informative scooter videos i've seen in a long time. I was looking at purchasing those very two cdi that you tested so it was very interesting.
Thanks.
its all a gimmick. exhaust and big bore kits are the best for mods. awesome job very explicit. ur the best.
Cruising that fast, you may actually be able to use a mild upgear or maybe a variator swap. I think a variator could give a little boost in speed and it's easier to do than a gear swap. I'm hoping to test out a couple soon, but the weather here isn't cooperating ATM. If your compression will allow it, perhaps the ignition mod in this video would give a little boost. Thanks for watching and reading!
Great video! you cleared up the black box CDI mysterie for me! Happy scooting !
Awesome job GT, your very informative on all of your videos. Thanks a bunch brother, keep them coming.
Your dedication made me subscribe
+Moslim Islam Thank you!
i loved this video you sr have saved me money
this video the plug racing coil is not good, in order for the racing cdi to work you need good racing plug coil, if not it will not work, these 2 must co-operation, don\t worry about the hard start and tune your cold idle higher, it may get higher when hot, but it will not harm your bike and will even make your pick up faster, however the racing cdi seem not suitable for this bike show in this video, may be it cc is to small, mine is daelim daystar chopper 140cc, it work fine, even how he modify the pick up cannot win me, racing cdi and coil is not enough, you need other modify like using cold air intake with k and n air filter and do the tuning for more fuel, and racing clutch plate, to increase the bike speed is not so easy as shown in this video
Thanks for this video as I changed out my CDI and Coil and you've saved me scratching my head not realising the advance has affected my starting silly I know but your brilliant tip on elongating the pickup holes was great realy worked and with a high power 2 stroke the difference is even better felt and as I cant afford to use a rolling road I did the same tests THANKS simple cheap and really worked.
Thank You its opened my eyes up as I was going to buy new electronics. Love the simple mod. Great video
man blue cdi is without rev limiter that's the difference if u buy cilinder and piston 47mm and up...(72cm3-etc)u will see awesome results
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His stock cdi revved past 11,000 rpm
That's plenty
Imagine doing all this testing just to find out all it did was make your scooter start like shit lol
Cus he shuld open the throttle alil n put volcano filter on carb n take off stock air filter box n unscrew acceleration screw by 2 turns
@@anthonygonsalves4972 nah. When you buy a cdi its because it's cheap so no
hahaha
@@anthonygonsalves4972 bike won't run right without stock air filter. And
@@mikeylopez9625 m9ne starts fine wit all my upgrades n idles smooth
Very thorough tests, thanks for sharing your test results.
I do this to my yamaha aerox !
And i relly feel the diference !
This guy is a genius !
What dash/speedo are you using?? Trying to find one for mine as it keeps snapping cables :/
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***** cheers!
i swear after watching your vids i feel like a pro scooter tech :). Anywho, i just have one question about bbk's. If i got a 80cc bbk, could i still use the stock 50cc carb and exhaust?
Robert Ward Thank you. Yes, stock carb and exhaust should work. I'd suggest sticking with 72cc (called 80cc by many sellers... 47mm bore). The 50mm+ bore kits put you at increased risk of premature bearing failure.
To bad its taken me this long to find this vid ... awesome work ... thx for sharing all the info
That was the best explanation ever on TH-cam! Subscribed
I've been watching your videos, excellent work thankyou for posting !
This video is one of your most popular videos almost half a million views. Please do more of these series
I plan to. I got wrapped up in my other projects, but the TaoTao is still here waiting for more testing.
Great advice never seen anyone say anything about elongating the pick up mounting holes I’ll be trying this on my sons Tao Toa Racer
Awesome job with everything in this video. You covered everything perfectly
Thank you!
Great info here, thanks for the upload. You just gained a new subscriber. 👍
I just watched your video that was one of the better videos ive watched for a long time. I myself have the new 2020 tao tao tbr7 and was really contemplating getting a performance or racing cdi unit, however any video or log i searched to see if they actually do anything all i get is sum kid pligs it in and either is like whoo ots so mich faster with his iphone attached to handlebars lol i loved that you actually pit them too the test and showed actual results and your how to aspect was spot on. That was a real informative video good job! And now i kno that even tho they are cheap im not gunna wast my money!
Lol sorry i was typing real fast on my phone at work and didn't see how bad i butchered my spelling!
I was a bit weary about both the 'tuning' coil and 'tuning' CDI.
Definitive test. Thank you.
Informative video. Very well done. Thank you for all the effort you put into it.
Thanks, and thanks for watching!
Holy Shit !! Brah !! U ARE VERY Professional and Tech Savvy !!! Great Job !! Nice Autozone Rewards Card Too !! :>
Man I like the way you do your videos. A lot of great information. Very usefull. Thanks
Thank you.
Awesome video . Great idea moving the pickup coil .
Thanks. Moving ign parts is a trick that has been used on many engines.
i like how you made timing ajustable, im going to do it !
WOW what a great video! I love the explanation of the cdi etc I have learn so much stuff from this vid! I want to see one for different roller weights.
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Yeah thanks, I did watch this one after commenting. Nice
:D
What a great video. Perfect. Thanks. Very informative
thanks for teaching me something new! i'm doing similar experiments with my 139qmb
Finally someone who knows what he is doing, tests it, proves it, etc. Not just only talking crap. Thumbs up from Germany, mate!
Thank you!
you are the man thank's for the vid You saved me money
Thank you for sharing a way to not use my ocd attempt to upgrade my scooters just to spend money and time to go the same speed. Leave stock ✅️
Great truthful information. Very good information! Thank you!
Hey dude .greetings from Nottingham U.K. ...I have been messin' with c.d.i. s & 2t for many years & have found ALL aftermarket C.d..i.s are pretty much useless without other mods.
physical derestrictions , i.e. exhaust mods .carb' mods etc...
when possible I purchase a 'variable timing' type unit with easy access to the adjustment screw as you will find you will have to keep your timing as stock as possible for the sake of easy starting .,,Then crank up the 'advance' once warm 'n' running..
Cool that you took the time show this to the masses !! Nice one Dude !!
Truly adjustable CDIs could offer a great improvement. I bought a cheap one, but it only adjusted where the timing curve started. Good for the starting, but not really an advantage over stock for WOT performance.
Your sweat, our gain... Thank you for the effort, it's much appreciated. This from someone who in fact worked on real world ignition coils production. With this said.
I can understand the "geniality" of someone in China. Who decided to add some red or orange pigment to their crappy coils plastic body. And sell them as "hot coils".
Genius really... LOL 😂 😂
This was well done. Good intel. Take away : Stay stock. Use parts money for beer !!!
fantastic work and great explanation of work and results plus its good to see some real world testing not rolling road and comparisons ill be doing the ignition mod to my scomadi TL 50 next week as the racing CDi did improve pick up but like you no change in top speed but I will be doing some more precise testing like you
Thanks. Good luck with it and let us know how it goes.
Excellent testing. You have nothing to sell and you tested one item a a time. The correct way.
Thanks. If you like honest tests and reviews, consider subscribing!
Thanks for the info, very helpful. Think all I am going to do is a 39mm filter NGK plug and orange coil.
I run big bikes, an R6 and a Harley 1200, CBR, etc. That being said these scooters are cool and the general information I obtain is awesome when it comes to performance because everyone is modding them, now I want one.👌💯
I sold my turbo Mustang because I was having more fun playing with scooters for much less money and I was less afraid to try things due to said monetary differences.
This video helped me so much!
Love these videos man. Good job
Great video very helpful thank you so much 😎👍
awesome video and education as well thank you so much for sharing and for your troubles to share with us on TH-cam great job
+Tony Delgado Thanks for the kind words.
This guy went all out
Such a great video it instantly gets a like and subs! Thanks for making this!
Thanks!
Good video, we all need perspective, at least you are trying different things.
This guy is all business. I like that.
You are freakin awesome!! Thank you so much!
I have tried the same process with all the same products. I discovered quickly that changing the initial timing by modifying the pickup screw slots made the blue cdi start the gy6 instantly! The advance curve on the blue cdi works great with the a9 cam big bore and 102 jet im using the 22mm carb.Although i have a bigger carb handy i havent tried that yet. I learned the initial timing change allows the fuel mixture to be correct for starting and believe it has to do with the rate of increased power from the richer cam profile and efficientcy of the racing mods. since the gy6 was originally designed for fuel efficiency.
The pick up coil slot will only give +/- 2 degrees. The fraud race c.d.I.are static at 25 deg
wow. time consuming. but no guessing. did similar with pellet guns to get 4 shots thru same hole after 6 months and 5 to 6 thousand shots. you are better at what you do than any MOD vids I have seen. great work
Thank you!
Thanks for all the info
Very informative. Really good
Awesome work my man! Many thanx!!
Thanks!
very informative.. thank you.
Learned a lot from your videos
amazing videos
thanks for your efforts
Great vid! Even tho you told about starting I installed blue "gy6 racing cdi". I also did that advance trick and checked valve clearances. Started immediatly, starts very good cool and hot. Just a 0,2s start is beeded. My 10km average gps speed was 65kph (Edit: 40mph) on hilly countryside. Full throttle rpm is 7000 for 65kph, downhill it goes 75kmh (8000rpm) but I dont like to rew engine. Setup 72cc, stock CH, stock cam, Malossi multivar with 7g rollers.
One thing about those blue/orange Chinese CDIs is that you may get a different curve with them. Could be that you got one without so much advance at idle. Maybe not. Either way, I'm glad to hear that you've got a good running setup that you're happy with.
I never thought the pick up coil would be that important when he will be modify.. thanks
What a great video. My CDI just went out so I was replacing my CDI. Funny but I ordered both the Orange and Blue CDI you just mentioned in your video before I even saw this video. Only thing I think was missing from your video is a visual of the timing after you machined your pickup. I would of loved to see a visual for comparison. Also by re positioning your pickup I would assume you also advanced your total timing which could end up being a issue for some people. For instance if total advance is 35 degrees by moving your pickup 2 degrees you increased your total advance 2 degrees. In some cases more total advance could cause you to loose top end speed.I know from racing cars 36 total advance was a sweet spot anything over that top speeds would drop off.
Thanks. There is a graph at 17:03 that shows it. It's the dark red line. It's exactly the same as the earlier graph of the stock curve, only advanced everywhere by 2 degrees everywhere. It changes the base timing, so whatever CDI you put in there will be 2 degrees more advanced all the way through the RPM range. Even with the aftermarket CDIs shown and the mod, I wouldn't have made it to 30 degrees and they could likely use more for max performance. What would be nice is a truly adjustable CDI, where the entire curve can be changed to get lots of advance at high revs, without big advance at low RPM. Not to mention all of these CDIs kind of ignore the purpose of advance and RPM. It should increase more similarly to RPM. Flat "curve" kinda sucks and just waiting a few thousand RPM and leaping to max kinda sucks too. The CDIs that I know of that allow real adjustment cost half as much as the scooter (something like the MSD 4217).
I moved the e clip on needle to the bottom and put 2 small washers under it also and got significant gains
Awesome video. As a scientist, I like the multiple trials...good stuff. Based on your trials, I am going to try a main jet of 70 and and idle jet of 35 with 4.75g sliders. Then I will tune the the carb and play with the needle. Again. Pro Video Bro. thanks
Thanks. Good luck with your tuning.
Great video. Very thorough, too bad there aren't more comparisons. I'm overhauling and would sooner replace parts THEN troubleshoot versus shifting out the bad pieces.
as usual, thanks for the hasty reply and advice!
Excellent great job 👏
cool vid man! best ive seen
Thanks!
also, do you have success with filing down the vari where the hub is? that lil 1 mm so they can ride closer? i am using a 669 belt maybe its to short now after the mod
yea, and what also hints to the variator is even going down hill with gravity on my side i cannot get past 40. I think if it was the carb I would still accelerate down hill due to gravity? it was running at 43mph before i messed with the variator where the sliders ride. I marked variator and it was about 1/2 inch from the end. Should i get new variator and file down the lip so they ride closer together? do you think my belt could be too short now that sliders move out farther?
Very well done -----Thank you
U r the one dude owsome research keep it up
great video. great mechanic
I don't have a lot of scoots around me, but even I can find 'em on craigslist. Keep an eye on that if you really want one. You can get short case minarelli/jog 2Ts from youth ATVs used on eBay.
Great work.
hello Bred, could you tell me how you realized the CDI timing comparison graphic ? is there a way to connect the timing light to the computer?
Speaking of the 100cc Big Bore kit, any chance you'll buy it and make an installation vid for your TaoTao? I was able to install mine thanks to another youtuber, but his video wasn't very good. Also, any idea what other stock parts I should change out to better accommodate the larger cylinder? The kit came with an aftermarket variator, so I'm good there. I also have a Keihin carb and kevlar CVT belt. Any other parts or mods come to mind?
Nice 👍 demo
Love your videos, quick question, does the pick-up advancement mod work on 2strokes?
Pickups can be modified on all sorts of engines. Some have a base plate that can be slotted.
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Where do you get most of your stuff at? i love upgrading my moped but its hard to find websites that sends parts that come in at a decent time