Jessica Vill DEBUNKS Marilyn Monroe's "Story" | The Found Records Podcast
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- The Found Records introduces episode 1: Debunking Marilyn Monroe's most famous conspiracy theories. Jessica Vill is a decade-long history buff who has recently written the first 100% historically accurate biopic 'Becoming Her' and is sharing some of the most common misconceptions about the woman, the myth, and the legend.
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Thanks for this it a good listen, best of luck with the biography I hope you put it out in a spectacular way. Listened to your femme fatal spotify playlist too
learning that she preferred the identity she forged for herself in adulthood as opposed to her birth name that she associated with a traumatic youth really connects. I wish this was a more common accepted practice in mainstream culture. I'm Native American and a lot of our cultures have this element as a default, where you get a different name in adulthood to allow you to define yourself in this new identity and phase of life once you have full autonomy. we wouldn't even use the same name for trading with the outside world as we would inside our tribes in some cases, because names are powerful.
The passion this woman has for not only history but for Marilyn Monroe is unlike anything I have ever seen.
I completely agree
I wonder if her 100% historically accurate biopic discusses Marilyn Monroe’s romantic relationships with Black men. Also how much she loved the all Black jazz club scene in downtown LA during her early years. This history has been buried very deep & mostly scrubbed, but it’s out there!
@@lloydcollinsI thought she was into Black Women too ?
Jessica, I've been a fan of Marilyn for nearly 35 years. Ever since I learned she and I share a birthday. I've read the books, watched the docs, (AND the fiction). I'm really amazed at how much I'm learning! It's wonderful to see someone who has gone beyond "doing the homework". Your passion really shines through. You are incredibly well spoken and this presentation is wonderfully thought out. I honestly can't wait to see more.
Debunking Marilyn would take hooouurs! But I’m glad you did this. The lies about Marilyn just keep getting more bizarre
I love the passion, humanity and accuracy for Marilyn Monroe.
Would love to see possibly Judy Garland and Shelley Duvall, maybe even Shirley temple
Zanuck needed his eyes examined if he thought she was ugly. Marilyn was beautiful inside and out. ❤
He said she was "unphotogenic" but clearly he was wrong.
In the instance from Marilyn in "My Story" about her childhood - the man in the story was NOT a pastor. She mentions that he attended a revival meeting after the incident and acted self-righteous and as if he was not in need of repentance like the other revival-goers. It's important to read carefully especially when quoting Marilyn because otherwise more embellishments and errors are added to the rumor mill.
Wow that movie Blonde was such an injustice wish they could be sued. 😢
The back history (her mothers troubles & M's child abuse) plus her coming on up within the career and the essence of her body were the better parts of the film, honestly. -Should anyone make another film- to literally get the facts right! And weather or not they re-cast Ana De Armas- & yes, because i'm biased- she did do a phenomenal job with the roll :)
The challenge there is that the film is specifically an adaptation of a Joyce Carol Oates novel, so the filmmakers could argue that they were "merely" adapting Oates' take on the material, and that the objection should be to Oates' book and not to the film. The other challenge (not that this should matter, but in our culture it definitely does) is that this novel is VERY well-regarded; it was nominated for a Pulitzer Prize the year it was released, and just last week was named one of the "Great American Novels" by The Atlantic Magazine. Oates, for her part, has clearly stated that the book is meant as a work of fiction, and should not be construed as a work of biography.
I refused to even watch this film. even for free. I could tell in the run up it would be misinformation.
The secret lover has to be Fred Karger. MM loved the hell out of that dude! They met during Ladies of the Chorus in 1948 when she was 21, he was 32. He would play the piano for her. She later said that when he put on his glasses "I was overwhelmed." Guys looking like nerds in glasses really threw her for a loop. She was completely mad for him.
OOH YOU MIGHT BE RIGHT
Yup she had a thing for bookish looking men
I have to disagree, not only did Marilyn not hate Marilyn, but she also didn't hate Norma Jeane either. Marilyn spoke freely about being late and keeping people waiting and spending an extra long time in her bath for the sake of Norma Jeane who didn't have such luxuries.
Yeah , there are some discrepancies in this podcast.
I am so ready for this new era of your channel!!! I have been a follower of yours for years since when you were doing impersonations of Ariana Grande and want to say you have always deep dived so heavily into history so this has really been a long time coming!!! I’m excited!!!
Thank you for bringing light to the truth of Marilyn Monroe I’m so sad that even in her passing they are objectifying and degrading her memory
I've never heard of anyone placing the blame on Johnny Hyde for Marilyn's death over a decade later!
I'm so excited about this. Thank you for putting so much effort into the facts. As a history buff I appreciate it so much ❤
Thankyou Jessica! The recent movie about Marilyn could not have been more wrong! It was an insult to Marilyn. As someone who has been around a long time, I feel like some people are definetly trying to create their own narrative of not only Marilyn's life, but other historical figures who can no longer defend themself, because they have passed away. 😔❤
Clicked so fast!
Excited to see more long-form content 🤍🤍
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Thank you for all your hard work! I loved seeing you grow and your channel also!!
I had to stop watching Blonde halfway through because it got too intense for me and it just .. felt wrong. It felt very much like that classic hollywood thing where everything sexual gets immensely too much attention and everything else is just kind of inbetweens. I knew it was off and I'm sooo happy to be learning the truth from you here. Thank you for your hard work and research, Jessica!
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i believe the mystery boyfriend could be Fred Karger (his full name i believe is Frederick Maxwell Karger) He worked as a Vocal Coach for Columbia pictures and Coached Marilyn. I have seen pictures of the two of them sitting at a piano and I've also seen pictures of the two of them at a party hosted by San Spiegel dated 1948. I've read alot about how close she was with this 'Karger Family'
I pretty sure its him tbh. it all kinda lines up.
(edit is from spelling errors)
I want to say one thing to the endometriosis part. It doesn't HAVE to make you infertile and it's not what it is. It's a common side effect depending on where and how bad the endometriosis is. I have endometriosis so if you do too. Don't be scared that you automatically infertile, that's not true.
Hey Jessica! I would love a video dedicated to debunking everything in Blonde. The inaccuracies are insane and someone needs to set the record straight! ❤
I’m a Marilyn fan from way back. I find it telling that her bravery is so minimised. Her fortitude in the face of McCarthyism and her backing of Miller were inspiring. As was her establishing her own production company in the 50s.
She was a pragmatist with courage.
Loved this! Amazing to hear her authentic story. I’ve always been a fan of Marilyn. And as both a history and horror fan, I will be tuning into both podcasts😍
So interesting! And I'm sure you could find topics to do a part 2 on Marilyn! I'd watch it for sure!
so thankful for what you're doing, can't wait to see your documentary series one day
Where did you get the psychiatrist notes and the MM diary!! ?? I've been reading MM books since 1983 (I'm a big MM collector), and I've always felt sad that I'd never have access to doctor notes -- since a psychiatrist's notes would never be revealed for confidentiality purposes. I'd love to read all of that if they are actually out somewhere!
Her psychiatrist notes went up for auction in November of 2016, it is six pages long of her thoughts and feelings! :)
Dr Greenson's notes are sealed in a place, not to be opened for many years into the future.
Good job Vill ❤ thank you for closed captioned 👍
I love how intelligently you explain things in your videos ugh!! There are soo many misunderstood "facts" floating around the internet regarding Marilyn Monroe out of context, it's so refreshing to see a true fan who's done their homework haha ❤
I loved this episode so much. Your voice is incredibly easy to listen to, and it's obvious that you know a ton, if not everything, about her. ❤️ Wonderful work. 🙏
Beautiful being.
Really. I saw many rolls on Instagram about you ,you have passion for Marilyn and the way you show it?
It's fascinating.
This video needs 1 million views, you're brilliant
as a self proclaimed marilyn buff, i did actually know all of this already, but the internet is a crazy place for history, so much misinformation. but this podcast that you've done is great, so informative for all types of Marilyn fans new and old, please keep that biopic close, and make the h*ll out of it when you feel it. ill be waiting 😊😍
This was a fantastic podcast, Jess.
Remember to also look into topics that are not personally interesting to you as it's a way of testing your research methodology.
For instance a brief search on the writer Thea von Harbou (screenplay writer for Fritz Lang's Metropolis) will take you to Lene Riefenstahl in one direction and Ayi Tendulkar in the other.
This was so interesting and enjoyable! I've always felt that Marilyn is, without question, one of the the most misunderstood figures in history. I'm looking to whatever else you have planned for your podcast. ❤
I can’t remember how I found you, but I’m really glad I did! It’s great to have one trustworthy source talk about Marilyn instead of reading many books and lots of researches lol. You didn’t talk about Frank Sinatra/DiMaggio/Mafia/voice recorder and the FBI and the phone calls to Bobby before her death all these crazy stuff which I personally fell for when I first read about Marilyn. Interestingly it was only after I watched Blonde that I became interested in who Marilyn was lol. You did a great job addressing the movie.
Continue with the great work, I absolutely love it! The world needs more people like you. I hope you achieve every dream you got. You’re really special and deserve nothing but happiness.
Aww thank you sm!!!😭🖤
im praying your biopic gets picked up asap pls universe im begging 😂❤
Hello, I’ve been a very long time fan (talking Jessica rabbit and Betty boop makeup transformations) and I wanted to say how grateful I am for being able to see you grow as a content creator and historian/artist. I wanted to ask/suggest why not adapting your script to a book? That way your fans (like myself) can buy and support part of the story, and maybe with that funding your production company can have enough to make a pilot episode. This pilot could be picked up by a bigger producing company and could work hand in hand with your production company. Since you would have the rights to the book no one else could take your information away + you can always leave out certain things to make the book and docu-series different. Just a suggestion because I’m extremely curious on your work and would love to see Marilyn depicted with honesty and truth 💗
FIRST COMMENT, ALSO UR BOOK JUST GOT DELIVERED AND IM GONNA READ IT AFTER THIS PODCAST ❤❤
Someone else got first comment actually probably by a few seconds
We both love Marilyn and that's how you found me ❤ loved this episode please keep it up!
She was such a beautiful icon, you should do a video on all the cool stuff she accomplished 😅
oooo goodluck with your future endeavours in getting your script made, i would so love to watch something genuine like that
Thank you for sharing the truth about her I’ve read a lot of books about her as a kid I love her
HThank you for keeping her Legacy alive❤❤❤❤ It was so wonderful to finally hear someone finally actually give her a voice, and speak of her strength and power. It's truly inspiring to not hear what a victim she was.
This is so interesting! Thanks for providing a balanced view of her character and story - I detest the direction Hollywood has taken with her story, almost turning her life story into “torture porn” , downplaying her personality and achievements when she deserves so much better! Looking forward to more of this series :)
By "transcripts of Marilyn's therapy sessions" do you mean the "transcripts" written by Miner from memory after he spoke to Greenberg?
Your makeup is so on point! Those eyes are just like Marilyn! 😊
I really like this podcast concept and your passion for Marilyn Monroe, personnaly I collect biography books about her so this is on point ❤
After learning from my grandfather at a young age that the Kennedy family line intersects with my paternal family line, one of the questions I had later on was about Marilyn and JFK. My grandfather told me that she would have been friends with Jackie over any possibility she was involved with Jack. I didn't know about the correlation with Bobby, though.
I love this historical podcast!
There were so many moments during your streams or social media rants where you would go off on a topic you're passionate about and I've always thought "Why doesn't this woman have a podcast yet?' Marilyn's in good hands. Dare I hope for some MJ content?
Watch 'The Wiz'.
Thanks for this. I feel like I've learned so much. The idea of anyone pursuing fame and stardom to escape such a rough upbringing is fascinating in itself. To take someone like Marilyn who went through that and arbitrarily flip the narrative, claiming that she saw her stardom as the problem rather than the solution, feels like careless malfeasance.
Great podcast, ive studied Marilyn now since 1980, ive spoken to 2 friends from her inner circle. About her death, it was a accidental overdose, but NOT done by herself. There are 3 neighbors witnesses who saw Robert Kennedy at her house on Augustus 4th , also according to her maid Eunice Murray, who said on tape that Robert and Marilyn had a big argument, also according to Norman Jeffries who was Eunice brother in law, had said that Marilyn became hysterical angry, and that Eunice had to calm her down by a enema, that was around 7pm , she had a view phone calls , all them said that Marilyn was in a good mood. After 9pm ( last call from Joe jr ) something’s went wrong, they called the Santa Monica hospital to pick her up ( also 2 witnesses saw a ambulance at Marilyn’s house) according to Walter Scheaffer ( Head of SM Hospital) he said on film that they picked her up and she passed away in the hospital, they brought her back to her house , to look like a suicide, bc Fox could get the insurance. That’s a pure fact,
Thank you! Ive heard of that. Unfortunately the lack of evidence of such stories makes it impossible to take it as a fact. From what can be found as evidence, it points to an accidental overdose. When and if evidence ever comes out proving it goes deeper, I will absolutely stand corrected. Marilyn's death is the result of poor investigation that reflects the time. So many deaths were lazily reported.
@@jessicavill inconsistencies in the autopsy also. I saw an interview with the ambulance driver on a talk show but as you said it is hearsay without documentation of the dispatch log or hospital records.
Really really enjoyed this ❤
you have to let us know when your biopic comes out on the big screen, i'm already dying to see it!!
I’ve loved, collected books, made a point to always visit her grave when I’m in California and have always been driven mad by all the lies. Kudos for doing what you’re doing! The man she fell in love with who’d sing and play music was Freddy Karger who’d been hired by Colombia to help her with her singing voice. He was a horrible man who belittled her for her lack of general knowledge.
Can we get Hollywood young stars like true stories like Judy garland on set of Wizard of Oz etc
That was an amazing podcast, thank you ❤
This video was done very well thank you for your hard work! Just a few footnotes: endometriosis is not a deal breaker for kids. I know many women who have gotten pregnant with endo, but there are plenty of other factors which may have made her infertility worse (drug addiction, alcohol use, childhood SA) all of these can cause difficulties concieving and keeping a child. ❤
so insightful! great vid, you can just tell how much you know and understand her
This is awesome! I’ve been awaiting for this kind of content!!!! Is there a place where we can ask q’s?
I really enjoyed this! I enjoyed hearing about the things I already knew and of course absolutely loved hearing new and intriguing things about Marilyn. She was such a complex individual I’m constantly seeing and hearing misinformation regarding her and her story but you’ve done your reseach, so thank you!
I do have a question regarding 30:46 you said the movie blonde put the abortion narrative in as pro-abortion propaganda? this whole time I was under the impression it was pro-life because I heard there’s a scene of cgi fetus that chatises her for getting an abortion prior… though I haven’t seen it so I really have no clue about the messages it’s trying to send and regardless the book and movie are such horrific bastardizations of marilyn and her character to place that on her to push any narrative is… it’s upsetting to say the least… But I’m glad someone like you is doing a podcast like this to combat the misinformation🖤
I stand corrected, I completely forgot about the horrible talking fetus scene lol so yes you’re actually right, because of that scene - it’s probably intended to be pro-life actually . Thanks for checking on that! 🙌🏻🖤
The talking fetus scene is excellent. Rather. Abortion is rather awful. The scene is refreshing and genius. Fortunately Marilyn Monroe Ji were not known unto be an abortionist.
I would love an in depth review of Hedy Lemarr. Iv always found her very intriguing 💖
Oh wow THANK YOU JESSICA ❤❤❤
I'm glad someone is sticking up for her with the facts! This was wonderful! I saw a documentary about her death and I think it was the man's father who finally told him he was an ambulance driver and he was called to her house that night and they were on their way to the hospital when she died and they made him keep it all quiet and off the radio and take her body back to the house where they placed her back in her bed. Certainly doesn't make it true but it was interesting. It's so sad to think what she might have went on to become had anyone bothered to truly step in and help her.
Love this podcast episode, finally I now know the real Marilyn Monroe ❤❤😊
This is so amazing Jessica! The cinematography, and your passion about Marilyn is top notch!. I am also a huge fan of hers ❤❤❤ please keep on posting! love from Indonesia
Jessica, What do you think of Catherine Hick's 1980 performance as MM? I freaking loved her in that!! As a youth, I'd watch that AGAIN and AGAIN. Memorized every word of that movie! Catherine H didn't look like MM but sure could give the MM essence.
so cool!! love your videos!🩷🩷
I love that you're doing this. * I just wanted to say Marilyn's last name" Monroe" was actually Norma Jeane's grandmother's last name. Marilyn is just made up. I love your video, there are too many rumors about Marilyn that ppl think are true!
Yes! 🙌🏻 Mr. Lyon decided on Marilyn after the stage star and she decided on Monroe after her GMA 🖤🖤🖤
@@jessicavill 🥰❤️ Yes ,Mr. Lyon liked the alliteration..... Marilyn Monroe.
comes from munro clan from scotland i think
@@abbymeads2185 Yes,I've read before that some of Marilyn's family was Scottish. If I remember correctly I think Jessica has said the same thing in one of her videos.
@@Minlaroo my family descends from the Munro ancestry, so i thought it was cool lol
The singer/piano player Marilyn refers to being in love with is definitely a reference to Fred Karger
This is correct! He was a vocal coach Marilyn was studying with from 20th Century Fox.
Please do a makeup tutorial of Shirley Temple I see such a resemblance!
Very true she does resemble Shirley Temple who was breathtakingly beautiful ❤
Love this girl. Congratulations on the book looks great i need one.
Could you recommend some books about Marilyn that are historically good?
The Secret Life of Marilyn Monroe (book, not movie) was as close to flawless as research gets. There are errors but they are minor.
Love this! Such a great video ❤
I would love to see something about Michael Jackson story 🖤
Hath thou viewed 'The Wiz' Film? That were a Feature Film starring Michael Jackson and were his First ever Film. MJ Won an Award for his Acting within 'The Wiz'. Rather. 'The Wiz' is highly entertaining and many parts of 'The Wiz' art available unto be viewed upon TH-cam. *
'The Wiz' is one of my Top Favourite Films. Rather. Hence I do discuss it.
Great job Jessica!!
I’m shocked about the president conspiracy, I watched a documentary a long time ago and her best friend shared about how it was an affair. And it stated this sparked the “Blonde vs. Brunette” trope. This documentary even led me to believe that the kennedys killed Marilyn, because of what her best friend claimed.
To be honest I don’t know the credibilities of the documentary, but I learned Marilyn wrote poetry in the comments of that documentary. She’s incredibly intelligent and artistic.
Great video!! ❤️
Definitely was very interesting!
Omg I’m so glad someone is talking about blonde.. that film was a crime.
Look into her relationship with Bobby Kennedy at the end of her life. I've heard her psychiatrist, Dr Greenson, on tape talking about her relationship with him. This was part of a documentary in 1984. At one point he refused to talk further. You don't mention Mrs.Murray her housekeeper who changed her story. I'm not saying she was murdered but you've got some digging to do! It's a complex story and I think you will enjoy widening your view. Good work.
I’ve looked into it and nothing draws a straight line. Because of this, it’s considered conspiratorial to claim she was murdered.
You can acknowledge it is an odd occurrence without claiming she was murdered if you can claim that a "crazy consp theorist" made the claim in the first place, and that it was definitely untrue. You know?
@@ColRubyDimplesManacha Actually it can be proven that it was made up by a conspiracy theorist. I am actually going to do a follow up episode with a MM historian who will go into great detail to draw that straight line for us of where the rumor began, how, and why. Stay tuned!
@@jessicavill I look forward to it! I also hope my comment didn't seem rude. I just don't like how a few theorists lacking integrity serve as an example and automatic label for anyone who questions things these days. It's such murky water. Thanks for all the thorough research you do!
I love your content and I appreciate this video on Marilyn so much. My heart always weeps for her when I am reminded of her. I do find it interesting though that youre set on her overdosing and not Michael Jackson? Bailey Sarian usually does a lot of research on her videos and she said his story was very similar to Marilyns when it comes to overdosing and taking more than he should have yet you say he was mudered and Marilyn wasnt? Also I wish you did go into more detail on her relationship with the Kennedys.. She supposedly had a relationship with JFKS brother not Jfk and what about the FBI files on her? I feel you need to do a part 2!!
His case is different because MJ could not overdose on propofol unless administered by the professional in the room so Conrad Murray gave him more than he legally was allowed to which is essentially murder.
@@jessicavillOhhhhh nooooo. That makes sense. But that's awful 😭
The Podcast was so great and so informative, can't wait to see what other topics you discuss! Off-topic but girl what brand/shade is that lipstick your'e wearing in the video? I've been searching for that exact color for agesssss, its so beautiful
It's so awful how in life she was molested as a kid, used by many men in life and in Hollywood and even now after she's gone they're still abusing her! The way Kim K ruined her dresses, it's disgusting! They ruin her good name. Her real name! They make her out like she was crazy, she had mental illness, yes, BUT she wasn't the way they portrayed her. She wanted to be a mother, she wanted love, she was betrayed. The way she died is still up to debate as well. I have my own thoughts on it. But thank you for helping to bring the truth about who she really was. A strong lion.
I loved it❤ keep it coming 👏🏼
This was an amazing video you really care about the facts which is very important to me. So thank you for all your research. Also Hopefully I’ll be getting your book I’m so excited!!!
Love this I’m so well spoken
Thanks for this vid. I love Marilyn.
Glad you’re back with another video love your makeup videos they have been so helpful during my transition and also because I plan on living a vintage lifestyle mostly 1950s
Thank you ☺
Excellent podcast. Love the setting you shot it or edited in. Also, the nude photo's she took ended up in Playboy Magazine Mexico so that only added to that rumor that she was Mexican.
I'm ready to learn 🎉
I was wondering what topics you were going to bring up. And you brought up most of the ones that bother me 🤣😮💨
i’m so glad i watched this video ❤
I love this video so much, the real Marilyn was so much more interesting and incredible than how she is painted. It's really nice to have more clarity on certain things, she is legitimately such a fucking cool woman, I feel like the more I learn about her the more I love her 🥰
It's wild how much you favor her I was looking at the cover photo you could easily be like a great grand daughter ( but more accurately grandniece)😅
I never knew that Marylin Monroe suffered that much manipulation, I didn't even know that her real name wasn't Marylin. But she is a strong woman, good on her there
On Marilyn’s sexuality, I really think some people are confused because they don’t realize EVERYONE finds women attractive and beautiful; straight men, gay men, gay women and straight women and everyone in between all admire women’s beauty. Admiring beauty and wanting to have sexual experiences with someone are not necessarily the same exact thing.
Me encantaría verte interpretando a Marilyn monroe y amo con el amor que hablas de ella y respetuosa ❤