I agree with nearly everything. I think this entire movie was an attempt to emasculate joker because people felt so strongly towards his joker from the first movie. His version of joker quickly became iconic and resonated with so many and he goes from badass psycho clown with nothing to lose to a wimp who gets taken advantage of by everyone (his lawyer, harley, his mom, the guards etc), with an embarrassing sex scene and no ownership of who he is which is Joker. It's such a shame and I think the movie was just to make fans feel dumb for rooting for Arthur as Joker.
@@elleblur5 You're exactly right! Put it better than I did lol that's what they did here. I'll probably make another comment video regarding this at some point cause it's just wild.
I feel your pain. I was so bored and confused, and it broke my brain. At least it flopped so their plan didn't work, and it's going to leave a blemish on Todd's reliability as a director.
@@TerribleEnglishI dont think it worked. It was heavily implied Arthur was abused as a child, not just with neglect. They can try to abuse and degrade the character all they want, but it's too late. They cant undo making the first film. Every effort they make to humiliate the character, only makes him resonate with people more. They've made it obvious, they hate us. That's a monumental mistake.
@@chromicm6686 Well, to you and I they've made it clear that they hate the audience, etc - but to most people they just 'messed up and made a bad movie'
If Todd Phillips didn’t want Arthur Fleck to be Joker in this one, why even bother making it? This films should’ve either been called something else or not been done at all.
The first one was nothing more than a masterclass in the "bait and switch" after the director gets his extra "comic book movie" production money... Aaaaannnnddd.. of course, Other than a few non consequential references sprinkled in so that enough of the IP is sprinkled in to pass the studio's incredibly lacking sniff test so he could use the name for hype and marketing all while the director is admitting its not "joker" in any way other than the name.. which apparently was enough to fool the studio into giving him 50 million to stroke his ego and work out some personal issues. Especially since its essentially a love letter/pipe dream for pathetic, mentally deficien soyboys that should just do everyone a favor and give themselves the room temp challenge before they try throwing a Pissy little prepubescent tantrum on someone that prefers to resolve issues with violence instead of attention seeking behavior like arthur from these heaps of shit, NOT JOKER, "joker" movies.
Loving that she has almost broke 5k on this one. You can tell from the first video to now she has really been learning and growing with each video. Hard work will get you there Glorpe!
Thank goodness for the internet to stop us (me in particular) from paying for tickets. I didn't even see the movie and even I felt furious, sad and disappointed from everything I've heard and read. I do wonder if that Todd Philips got the reaction he wanted? Did he expect media to take his side and cheer for killing off the Joker how he did? I'm glad this terrible movie flopped but feel very sad to why it did. They could of had another successful, amazing story to tell but everything we loved was spat on.
This was completely on purpose! They hated their creation and everyone that liked it. I had someone ask me about this movie before he was going to see it (because he was skeptical) and I told him to just go watch the first Joker and cherish it lol. At that point, he already bought a ticket but I'm 100% sure he walked out cause he said he might if he didn't like it and I didn't see him afterwards. 😬
Thank you for the clear and smart review. I think if they cut out the musical aspect to it, people would've be nicer with the reviews. But still, I don't understand why the director deliberately want us to hate the Joker persona, cause it's literally what people wanted, that's why people loved the 1st one
Probably because he's an idiot and plays into this narrative that Joker fans are a certain type of people and he hated that. So he (and whoever else was involved, I won't purely put this on Phillips) had to really "stick it to us."
It's absolutely crazy to me that a major studio would flush $200 million down the toilet after the first film garnered Oscars and made over a billion, all so the director could piss all over fans of the first film? HUH?! Makes absolutely ZERO sense. Like, imagine a studio following up a batman film with one where he's beaten/raped/hamulated/pissed on and then sacrificed. It's laughable to think about but here we are. And the people celebrating this sequel and laughing at "the wrong kind of fans" from the first, they are delusional! From a strictly studio perspective, this is nuts what they did.
It makes perfect sense to me: Joker 1 terrified the powers that be. I believe what happened is that orders came from the top to 'assassinate' Joker 1 because they couldn't risk the masses relating to Arthur. In reality, our elites are waging class warfare on a massive scale, and they don’t want us getting any dangerous ideas.
I personally would have made Joker 2 another Origin story. Have it be like killing joke. Than Joker 3, another origin story. Which would make sense for his character. No one would know which one is real. But nah, we live in the cursed timeline.
and it's pretty dumb that Harley and joker were the ones that loved each other, but then as soon as the Joker wants to be Arthur again no Harley wants nothing to do with him and literally trolled him about having a kid. I expected the movie to be a 10 it was a six and killing a joker just pathetic. The only way they could redeem themselves by making one last movie called Joker: the jokes on you and he lives and has 1 last laugh
Even my buddy who owns every 4k dc movie didn’t even try too throw out an argument in the defense of this movie very glad I was working that day and saved my money I will say I am kinda excited for when it comes too streaming just so I can see how bad it is, I’m a sucker for unironically bad movies
This is gonna be one of those films that has to be baffled forever on why it was even made and why they chose all the decisions for it. I’m just at a loss, it’s like they made a movie purely out of spite for anyone who liked the first one. But for $200 million…and well the theaters are empty on opening weekend. My friend said there were like 5 people in theater (and all but 1 walked out midway) and he saw it opening day.
Baffling is the right word for sure. I didn't think I'd talk about this more but as the days go on I feel compelled to, it was just THAT bad especially the hatred that's in this movie towards the viewers. I also was in a theater with maybe 4 people and it was dead silent the whole time, one guy left immediately when the credits rolled.
@@MisanGlorpe yeah it’s stunning, I haven’t really felt mad about a movie like this in a really long time, I rarely feel that way, I usually just move on. But this felt insulting. I wonder how long it’s even gonna last in theaters considering the empty showings. I wouldn’t be surprised if they pull it in a week and just put it on streaming.
I truly don't get how people walked away from the first movie relating to Arthur? He was a child that was brutally beaten and assaulted being raised and repeatedly beaten down by the world in extreme ways. It's not a widely relatable experience for the average audience like most seem make it out to be. Arthur is completely abandoned and mistreated by society as a whole when he's just a man looking for acceptance and love that is never there. I can understand the hatred for not being "The Joker" movie but personally thought that feeling was supposed to be clear to viewers by the end of the first movie? The audience seems personally attacked when the movie was NEVER even about YOU it's about Arthur.
@@SpiritualMain99 I agree with you on that but to speak as if the general audience is made up of people with mental illnesses and treatment to such a scale I think is extremely disingenuous. Mental illness is serious and should be taken seriously and rarely is. The redemption shouldn't be leaning harder into the illness??
@@SpiritualMain99 I'm not looking to argue. Your comment said "A lot of us CAN relate to certain parts of Arthur......especially mentally ill mfs" Was there something I missed?
Everyone saying “Arthur never was going to be the joker” why the fuck bother making an origin movie about the Joker then? Like no shit you couldn’t ever see Arthur become the Joker that’s what makes his transformation so frightening and tragic. This timid mentally ill man becomes the most dangerous criminal in Gotham. And it sounds like the second completely undoes all of that
Yes! Phillips didn't want to make a "comic" movie, fine. The first was a great way to go a different route. But now, if they wanted to "undo" it then it could have been done better. Perhaps people are just trying to find any excuse to like this movie lol. "wow, you just didn't get it!".. yea I did and it still sucks.
I think the jurors or people laughing and cheering in the courtroom (again) was all in Arthurs head, like the one scene in the first Joker when he was doing stand up comedy but then no one actually laughed.
I just wanna say that I hate Todd Phillips with a passion for purposefully ruining his best work with this sequel. I agree with everything you have said in this review
@@SpiritualMain99 what also sucks is that I saw people say this was mostly Joaquin's idea? Idk if that's true but I wouldn't be surprised. He's a great actor but we all know the Hollywood types aren't always people you'd actually like.
It was disappointing, I like how he aligned himself with the truth and stopped entertaining fantasies planted in his head by Harley Quinn but this was a let down
As far as I been watching, there are voices in the folie a deux's defense being that it was meant to be a "meta fiction", a creator's take aimed to reflect on the story & it's viewers, rather than the story's structural progress. It gave me this imagery: I come to a bar where stand up comedians perform in the evening. Then, a guy climbs on the stage and instead, like, giving us the jokes, he begins on the diatribe about how all comedy is not being treated right these days and we force the artist to be mere of a crowd pleaser, saying we're fools for coming here and wasting his & our time. And then when I say that he's a scene-making fraud, he replies: I'm just being meta.
These people are so talented who made all this stuff but anyway.... a few years ago up to a year ago I wrote some emails to politians about some trauma Id gone through, Im canadian im contacting my prime minister my mayor no one responds to me. Im doing a lot better but im sick with PTSD and trauma. I sent some emails to crave, netflix, amazonprime video, hbo, disney.... It started with netflix and disney responding to my emails in their shows so I sent more emails but I didnt want them to make stuff based off of it I was just saying how much I love their stuff but I was sick and I got vulgar and..... this movie is made for me. I wanted to hurt people like the joker, I almost became the joker in the real life and it upset me that The Joker gets all this fandom for killing people and being a crazy guy and I suffered so long and I finally got help from the chilliwack hopsital building actually its a building behind the building. I eventually got arrested for my emails. I just email my therapist now. But Ill still comment to hell on youtube haha. Oh my gosh. GREAT REVIEW! This movie helped save my life. 8:40 Haha haha oh my god. Yes oh my god. I said hey make joker 2 a musical and everyone with hate it haha. I wanted people to feel like I felt for all those years. I wanted to hurt people. And thats not okay! I laugh at parts of this but oh my gosh. I didnt think theyd make a movie! let alone 2 or 3! THAT SNOW WHITE PEOPLE! Oh gosh!
This movie could have gone so many different way but they chose to green light on a musical? Why not let fans from the first movie brainstorm ideas for the second movie with an NDA they have to sign? They butchered this movie to the core 😢
You're just reciting what other people were/are saying. This film was good, defo no masterpiece like the first, but it was alright its not that bad, it has a few, daft, annoying scenes, but come on now, give me break. Its not the worst film in the bloody universe. You're not giving a real reason why you hate this film other than the obvious...you hate it because everyone else hates it. Why do you really hate it? Yes, everyone’s entitled to their own opinion yea, but the intensity of the backlash is bloody ridiculous. The way people are reacting makes me think there’s more going on here than just whether or not the film was good. What really gets me cross is how much of the criticism or hate.. there's no real crit here, feels like it’s been copied and pasted from other people’s opinions..smh.. It's funny because years from now everybody is going to rewrite history.."oh joker 2 wasn't as bad" i don't know, this feels like a new level of copycat behaviour, where opinions form in an instant based on what rotten tomatoes said or someone who thinks the joker is real..lol..the film didn't even gets a fair chance. You're"argument" or criticism isn't convincing. But whatever, i liked it. Im part of a small percentage of stupid people who liked it. In the end it doesn't matter Joaquin received$20 million, Gaga, what.. $12 million..do you think they give a shite if their film suxed..No! They are rich,its just a job to them, cheers.🙏🏻🃏💯👍🏻
When I made this video I haven't watched a single video regarding others opinions on it but sure, assume that I just repeated someone else. These were my initial thoughts after watching it. I don't look at Rotten Tomatoes or any of that crap. Those scores mean nothing to me. You're welcome to like it, but it was a mess and completely undid a variety of things from the first movie, and not even in a coherent or interesting way. You're argument for liking it is "I like it", not convincing either BTW but ok. Like I said, you're allowed to like it, it doesn't matter to me. I'm not trying to convince anyone. This movie was not enjoyable in any sense. It's been out for weeks now so idk how it hasn't got a "fair chance". Yes, word of mouth can be powerful but people can make their own decisions whether or not they want to see this.
@@trisstudio625 ooo I'd love to hear it! In another video I'm doing (just airing out more grievances lol) I put it my suggestion for this movie HOWEVER I stick with the approach of "undoing" Joker, since that was the intent, I feel it could have been done better. I didn't think a 2nd was even necessary so I didn't even want to try and make a new version 😉
I disagree that Harley Quinn is an overrated character. Like Wolverine, she's overexposed but is still an interesting character. Margot Robbie is excellent at playing Harley Quinn, even though most of the movies she's played Harley Quinn in were disappointing. As far as this second Joker movie goes, i'll just pretend it doesn't exist, just like I ignore the existence of the sequel to SLC Punk.
@@DannyKnightblade45 Whaaatt? I didn't know there was a sequel to SLC Punk! 😄 now I'm curious but it seems I shouldn't. But yea, we still have the first Joker and that's great. As for Harley, just purely from hearing and seeing her throughout the years, I just didn't get it! Maybe I should've said overexposed. I'm not someone that knows a lot about comics and all the lore. It's honestly just from my outsider observations 🙃
I just feel sad and empty 😢 this is like the GOT ending i couldn't let it go for weeks, i don't think it was a bad movie but it was a shitty sequel that destroys the first one people saying this is like a long epilogue are nuts, did they watch the first movie? Arthur is dead after he kills Murray, a regression of the character is the worst Todd Phillips could do. Better pretend this sequel never existed and watch the first one once again, WB should make a re release of the first one in theaters, i bet they'll make more money
Every time there is a r8pe scene on a movie i am just going to say joker 2 reference despite not being the first to come with it just because how awfully done it was lmao
I can see that. I'm sure a person would like it for that reason but even if this was a stand alone movie, not thinking about the first, it's still a mess and it's bad IHMO.
A musical was a horrible idea for a joker film. The first movie wasn’t a musical so why is the sequel one? 🤦♂️ People mainly defended this bad decision because one, people are obsessed with this overrated villain who simply is just a bad guy who does bad things while wearing clown makeup. - Take away the whole clown makeup and laughing, then joker isn’t so great is he? And two, because they love Joaquin as joker
I love Joaquin as the Joker and I'm really mad how he sabotaged his most iconic character, I don't think the sequel was a bad movie but it was a terrible sequel
This film clearly demonstrates that the majority of people that watch the rise of Fleck felt exactly how the Joker did as the Joker killed him at the end with all rage and disappointment of our once Hero becoming a just a man…..he is just a man of and for that he was killed …….. For his disparate need and yours too ….keeping the delusion (joker) alive
@@user-ux3gh3nt8i who said he wasn't just a man? Who is seeing him as a hero? Why do you assume the man at the end was "The Joker"? If he is "The Joker", then why do you accept that one and not the other? What's the difference?
lol he was regressive…..and Why do you condemn Fleck for being regressive because he had self realisation of his actions and the person and actions he had done …..this review is not a damming Monologue of Joker 2 But in fact A confession from you, your gross disappointment, but a man is just a man
I agree with nearly everything. I think this entire movie was an attempt to emasculate joker because people felt so strongly towards his joker from the first movie. His version of joker quickly became iconic and resonated with so many and he goes from badass psycho clown with nothing to lose to a wimp who gets taken advantage of by everyone (his lawyer, harley, his mom, the guards etc), with an embarrassing sex scene and no ownership of who he is which is Joker. It's such a shame and I think the movie was just to make fans feel dumb for rooting for Arthur as Joker.
@@elleblur5 You're exactly right! Put it better than I did lol that's what they did here. I'll probably make another comment video regarding this at some point cause it's just wild.
Agreed it made me angry especially since I am huge Joker Fan and loved the first movie
I feel your pain. I was so bored and confused, and it broke my brain. At least it flopped so their plan didn't work, and it's going to leave a blemish on Todd's reliability as a director.
Exactly. They can be happy that it's making people mad I guess, but they were the ones that spent time and millions on it. Jokes not on me IMO lol.
No, it's a complete success. It was designed to humiliate the people who liked the first movie, by taking him down like they humiliated Luke Skywalker
@@TerribleEnglishI dont think it worked.
It was heavily implied Arthur was abused as a child, not just with neglect.
They can try to abuse and degrade the character all they want, but it's too late. They cant undo making the first film.
Every effort they make to humiliate the character, only makes him resonate with people more.
They've made it obvious, they hate us. That's a monumental mistake.
@@chromicm6686 Well, to you and I they've made it clear that they hate the audience, etc - but to most people they just 'messed up and made a bad movie'
@@TerribleEnglish I'd argue making any movie THAT dull and pointless IS hating your audience, same with Halloween Ends.
If Todd Phillips didn’t want Arthur Fleck to be Joker in this one, why even bother making it? This films should’ve either been called something else or not been done at all.
this movie is made to spite the audience who enjoyed the first movie .
The first one was nothing more than a masterclass in the "bait and switch" after the director gets his extra "comic book movie" production money... Aaaaannnnddd.. of course, Other than a few non consequential references sprinkled in so that enough of the IP is sprinkled in to pass the studio's incredibly lacking sniff test so he could use the name for hype and marketing all while the director is admitting its not "joker" in any way other than the name.. which apparently was enough to fool the studio into giving him 50 million to stroke his ego and work out some personal issues. Especially since its essentially a love letter/pipe dream for pathetic, mentally deficien soyboys that should just do everyone a favor and give themselves the room temp challenge before they try throwing a Pissy little prepubescent tantrum on someone that prefers to resolve issues with violence instead of attention seeking behavior like arthur from these heaps of shit, NOT JOKER, "joker" movies.
Loving that she has almost broke 5k on this one. You can tell from the first video to now she has really been learning and growing with each video. Hard work will get you there Glorpe!
Thank goodness for the internet to stop us (me in particular) from paying for tickets. I didn't even see the movie and even I felt furious, sad and disappointed from everything I've heard and read. I do wonder if that Todd Philips got the reaction he wanted? Did he expect media to take his side and cheer for killing off the Joker how he did? I'm glad this terrible movie flopped but feel very sad to why it did. They could of had another successful, amazing story to tell but everything we loved was spat on.
This was completely on purpose! They hated their creation and everyone that liked it. I had someone ask me about this movie before he was going to see it (because he was skeptical) and I told him to just go watch the first Joker and cherish it lol. At that point, he already bought a ticket but I'm 100% sure he walked out cause he said he might if he didn't like it and I didn't see him afterwards. 😬
5:30 they didnt show it but implied it in a way, also the guards should of had punishments for doing what they did to joker and killing the inmate
Definitely. To say this was all underwhelming is an understatement.
Nice to see smart commentary. I subbed
Thank you!
Thank you for the clear and smart review. I think if they cut out the musical aspect to it, people would've be nicer with the reviews. But still, I don't understand why the director deliberately want us to hate the Joker persona, cause it's literally what people wanted, that's why people loved the 1st one
Probably because he's an idiot and plays into this narrative that Joker fans are a certain type of people and he hated that. So he (and whoever else was involved, I won't purely put this on Phillips) had to really "stick it to us."
7:51 I was cracking up so bad 😆😂
@@ronallan8680 I'm happy to hear that! 😁 Even if this movie couldn't bring joy, atleast I can try.
LMFAO@7:50 Your Lady Gaga was spot on!!!
The best Joker 2 review/ rant on TH-cam 🤣
Bye the way; It's pronounced "Folie Hawk Tuah"
Ooo the soothing sounds of the guards prepping their attack...
@@MisanGlorpe Disturbing but I laughed lol
Kill me
By not bye professor bhagavagita😅
The studio might have pressured Todd Philips to do this
Yea, it seems that way. It's such a mess.
It's absolutely crazy to me that a major studio would flush $200 million down the toilet after the first film garnered Oscars and made over a billion, all so the director could piss all over fans of the first film? HUH?! Makes absolutely ZERO sense. Like, imagine a studio following up a batman film with one where he's beaten/raped/hamulated/pissed on and then sacrificed. It's laughable to think about but here we are. And the people celebrating this sequel and laughing at "the wrong kind of fans" from the first, they are delusional! From a strictly studio perspective, this is nuts what they did.
This is such a good rant. Subbed 😂 🎉. Surprisingly, if they had named it "Jonkler 2" the script would have made more sense
This review was WAY better then the over $200,000,000 dollar film itself. I actually chuckled at this several times. Spot on 👍 lol
@@He_Loves_Horror glad to hear, thank you!
It makes perfect sense to me: Joker 1 terrified the powers that be. I believe what happened is that orders came from the top to 'assassinate' Joker 1 because they couldn't risk the masses relating to Arthur. In reality, our elites are waging class warfare on a massive scale, and they don’t want us getting any dangerous ideas.
After Flash i never expected anything great to come out of DC films.
I personally would have made Joker 2 another Origin story. Have it be like killing joke. Than Joker 3, another origin story. Which would make sense for his character. No one would know which one is real. But nah, we live in the cursed timeline.
Best review I've hear so far.
and it's pretty dumb that Harley and joker were the ones that loved each other, but then as soon as the Joker wants to be Arthur again no Harley wants nothing to do with him and literally trolled him about having a kid. I expected the movie to be a 10 it was a six and killing a joker just pathetic. The only way they could redeem themselves by making one last movie called Joker: the jokes on you and he lives and has 1 last laugh
Sorry but I laughed my shit off with the "fried voice" part
Even my buddy who owns every 4k dc movie didn’t even try too throw out an argument in the defense of this movie very glad I was working that day and saved my money
I will say I am kinda excited for when it comes too streaming just so I can see how bad it is, I’m a sucker for unironically bad movies
Todd Phillips wanted to punish the audience for liking Joker because he felt theu condoned his previous murderous actions
He's an idiot. These people can claim all they want that all Joker fans think a certain type of way or whatever but that's just not true.
@@MisanGlorpe The sequel should have never been made, and I hope this movie doesn't even make 80Million.
@@righteousrawb7225 agreed!
3:10 the irony being Joker took that from Taxi Driver.
Ahh you're right! I remember that as well.
Smart review. Please make more content.
This is gonna be one of those films that has to be baffled forever on why it was even made and why they chose all the decisions for it. I’m just at a loss, it’s like they made a movie purely out of spite for anyone who liked the first one. But for $200 million…and well the theaters are empty on opening weekend. My friend said there were like 5 people in theater (and all but 1 walked out midway) and he saw it opening day.
Baffling is the right word for sure. I didn't think I'd talk about this more but as the days go on I feel compelled to, it was just THAT bad especially the hatred that's in this movie towards the viewers. I also was in a theater with maybe 4 people and it was dead silent the whole time, one guy left immediately when the credits rolled.
@@MisanGlorpe yeah it’s stunning, I haven’t really felt mad about a movie like this in a really long time, I rarely feel that way, I usually just move on. But this felt insulting.
I wonder how long it’s even gonna last in theaters considering the empty showings. I wouldn’t be surprised if they pull it in a week and just put it on streaming.
I truly don't get how people walked away from the first movie relating to Arthur? He was a child that was brutally beaten and assaulted being raised and repeatedly beaten down by the world in extreme ways. It's not a widely relatable experience for the average audience like most seem make it out to be. Arthur is completely abandoned and mistreated by society as a whole when he's just a man looking for acceptance and love that is never there. I can understand the hatred for not being "The Joker" movie but personally thought that feeling was supposed to be clear to viewers by the end of the first movie? The audience seems personally attacked when the movie was NEVER even about YOU it's about Arthur.
A lot of us CAN relate to certain parts of Arthur in the first movie especially mentally ill mfs
@@SpiritualMain99 I agree with you on that but to speak as if the general audience is made up of people with mental illnesses and treatment to such a scale I think is extremely disingenuous. Mental illness is serious and should be taken seriously and rarely is. The redemption shouldn't be leaning harder into the illness??
@@2a.m.716 I never made that generalization, idk how you got that from my comment?
@@SpiritualMain99 I'm not looking to argue. Your comment said "A lot of us CAN relate to certain parts of Arthur......especially mentally ill mfs" Was there something I missed?
I'm not trolling or anything btw I'm just genuinely curious
Everyone saying “Arthur never was going to be the joker” why the fuck bother making an origin movie about the Joker then? Like no shit you couldn’t ever see Arthur become the Joker that’s what makes his transformation so frightening and tragic. This timid mentally ill man becomes the most dangerous criminal in Gotham. And it sounds like the second completely undoes all of that
Yes! Phillips didn't want to make a "comic" movie, fine. The first was a great way to go a different route. But now, if they wanted to "undo" it then it could have been done better. Perhaps people are just trying to find any excuse to like this movie lol. "wow, you just didn't get it!".. yea I did and it still sucks.
I think the jurors or people laughing and cheering in the courtroom (again)
was all in Arthurs head,
like the one scene in the first Joker when he was doing stand up comedy but then no one actually laughed.
I just wanna say that I hate Todd Phillips with a passion for purposefully ruining his best work with this sequel. I agree with everything you have said in this review
@@SpiritualMain99 what also sucks is that I saw people say this was mostly Joaquin's idea? Idk if that's true but I wouldn't be surprised. He's a great actor but we all know the Hollywood types aren't always people you'd actually like.
@@MisanGlorpehe got the idea in a dream. Apparently he hates the movie too though so lol
god this was refreshing to hear i need more from you
It was disappointing, I like how he aligned himself with the truth and stopped entertaining fantasies planted in his head by Harley Quinn but this was a let down
Yes, it's definitely a wasted opportunity there. It could have been told in a better way.
I mean, you could have just made a totally different origin film in keeping with Joker's untrustworthy narration
True
Quick fun reminder: The original plan was a Jared Leto Joker movie.
Really? I thought I heard that years ago but not sure it was true.
If it was designed to make you feel bad it did then it's not a bad movie
the director put us in harley quinns pov we wanted to see jokers crazy build but arthur is just a human hes not joker.
She was a bit of a representation of the audience. But, I still didn't like it lol. I can see that for sure and even then, it wasn't good.
This was the greatest review ever
As far as I been watching, there are voices in the folie a deux's defense being that it was meant to be a "meta fiction", a creator's take aimed to reflect on the story & it's viewers, rather than the story's structural progress.
It gave me this imagery: I come to a bar where stand up comedians perform in the evening. Then, a guy climbs on the stage and instead, like, giving us the jokes, he begins on the diatribe about how all comedy is not being treated right these days and we force the artist to be mere of a crowd pleaser, saying we're fools for coming here and wasting his & our time. And then when I say that he's a scene-making fraud, he replies: I'm just being meta.
Nice review. To be honest, the minute I learnt it was a musical, I lost all interest.
Watch the Substance, great movie 🎬
It's absolutely insanity . In a good way.
It's definitely one I want to see sooner than later.
I think people misunderstand the movie. It is not a comic book movie and it is meat to deconstruct the character .
These people are so talented who made all this stuff but anyway.... a few years ago up to a year ago I wrote some emails to politians about some trauma Id gone through, Im canadian im contacting my prime minister my mayor no one responds to me. Im doing a lot better but im sick with PTSD and trauma. I sent some emails to crave, netflix, amazonprime video, hbo, disney.... It started with netflix and disney responding to my emails in their shows so I sent more emails but I didnt want them to make stuff based off of it I was just saying how much I love their stuff but I was sick and I got vulgar and..... this movie is made for me. I wanted to hurt people like the joker, I almost became the joker in the real life and it upset me that The Joker gets all this fandom for killing people and being a crazy guy and I suffered so long and I finally got help from the chilliwack hopsital building actually its a building behind the building. I eventually got arrested for my emails. I just email my therapist now. But Ill still comment to hell on youtube haha. Oh my gosh. GREAT REVIEW! This movie helped save my life.
8:40 Haha haha oh my god. Yes oh my god. I said hey make joker 2 a musical and everyone with hate it haha. I wanted people to feel like I felt for all those years. I wanted to hurt people. And thats not okay! I laugh at parts of this but oh my gosh. I didnt think theyd make a movie! let alone 2 or 3! THAT SNOW WHITE PEOPLE! Oh gosh!
Jared Letto anyone 😊
This movie could have gone so many different way but they chose to green light on a musical? Why not let fans from the first movie brainstorm ideas for the second movie with an NDA they have to sign? They butchered this movie to the core 😢
You're just reciting what other people were/are saying. This film was good, defo no masterpiece like the first, but it was alright its not that bad, it has a few, daft, annoying scenes, but come on now, give me break. Its not the worst film in the bloody universe.
You're not giving a real reason why you hate this film other than the obvious...you hate it because everyone else hates it. Why do you really hate it?
Yes, everyone’s entitled to their own opinion yea, but the intensity of the backlash is bloody ridiculous.
The way people are reacting makes me think there’s more going on here than just whether or not the film was good. What really gets me cross is how much of the criticism or hate.. there's no real crit here, feels like it’s been copied and pasted from other people’s opinions..smh..
It's funny because years from now everybody is going to rewrite history.."oh joker 2 wasn't as bad" i don't know, this feels like a new level of copycat behaviour, where opinions form in an instant based on what rotten tomatoes said or someone who thinks the joker is real..lol..the film didn't even gets a fair chance. You're"argument" or criticism isn't convincing.
But whatever, i liked it. Im part of a small percentage of stupid people who liked it. In the end it doesn't matter Joaquin received$20 million, Gaga, what.. $12 million..do you think they give a shite if their film suxed..No! They are rich,its just a job to them, cheers.🙏🏻🃏💯👍🏻
When I made this video I haven't watched a single video regarding others opinions on it but sure, assume that I just repeated someone else. These were my initial thoughts after watching it. I don't look at Rotten Tomatoes or any of that crap. Those scores mean nothing to me.
You're welcome to like it, but it was a mess and completely undid a variety of things from the first movie, and not even in a coherent or interesting way. You're argument for liking it is "I like it", not convincing either BTW but ok. Like I said, you're allowed to like it, it doesn't matter to me. I'm not trying to convince anyone. This movie was not enjoyable in any sense. It's been out for weeks now so idk how it hasn't got a "fair chance". Yes, word of mouth can be powerful but people can make their own decisions whether or not they want to see this.
This review is the best part of the movie.
@@cardboardclown thanks!
I agree with this video!
I didn’t like this movie at all this movie disappointed me which is why I’m making a rewrite of it
@@trisstudio625 ooo I'd love to hear it! In another video I'm doing (just airing out more grievances lol) I put it my suggestion for this movie HOWEVER I stick with the approach of "undoing" Joker, since that was the intent, I feel it could have been done better. I didn't think a 2nd was even necessary so I didn't even want to try and make a new version 😉
@@MisanGlorpe Ok just check my community post as I talk about
the movie is a commentary on identity .
SUBBED! 100% agree with you
@@Riversdoc11deff I appreciate it 😁
I disagree that Harley Quinn is an overrated character. Like Wolverine, she's overexposed but is still an interesting character. Margot Robbie is excellent at playing Harley Quinn, even though most of the movies she's played Harley Quinn in were disappointing.
As far as this second Joker movie goes, i'll just pretend it doesn't exist, just like I ignore the existence of the sequel to SLC Punk.
@@DannyKnightblade45 Whaaatt? I didn't know there was a sequel to SLC Punk! 😄 now I'm curious but it seems I shouldn't. But yea, we still have the first Joker and that's great.
As for Harley, just purely from hearing and seeing her throughout the years, I just didn't get it! Maybe I should've said overexposed. I'm not someone that knows a lot about comics and all the lore. It's honestly just from my outsider observations 🙃
@@MisanGlorpe Yeah, the sequel to SLC Punk doesn't even include Matthew Lillard. It's a waste of time, and not nearly as good as the original.
I just feel sad and empty 😢 this is like the GOT ending i couldn't let it go for weeks, i don't think it was a bad movie but it was a shitty sequel that destroys the first one people saying this is like a long epilogue are nuts, did they watch the first movie? Arthur is dead after he kills Murray, a regression of the character is the worst Todd Phillips could do. Better pretend this sequel never existed and watch the first one once again, WB should make a re release of the first one in theaters, i bet they'll make more money
The Substance
I really want to see that movie, just haven't had the chance yet!
@@MisanGlorpeplease do its my fav movie of this year
Based review. This movie was absolute crap man wtf
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I have not seen either. Just didn't interest me. I'm so glad that I didn't go to see this one. Great review though. Keep it up
First one is good. Not a pleasant movie but it does say something about mental.illness and our culture in general.
Lol😂😂
Every time there is a r8pe scene on a movie i am just going to say joker 2 reference despite not being the first to come with it just because how awfully done it was lmao
*if there's a rape scene in a supervillain movie
@@fduranthesee nah in every movie
Wrong on all counts - this was a fantastic counterpoint to the first movie.
The first movie didn’t need a counterpoint
I can see that. I'm sure a person would like it for that reason but even if this was a stand alone movie, not thinking about the first, it's still a mess and it's bad IHMO.
A musical was a horrible idea for a joker film. The first movie wasn’t a musical so why is the sequel one? 🤦♂️
People mainly defended this bad decision because one, people are obsessed with this overrated villain who simply is just a bad guy who does bad things while wearing clown makeup. - Take away the whole clown makeup and laughing, then joker isn’t so great is he?
And two, because they love Joaquin as joker
I love Joaquin as the Joker and I'm really mad how he sabotaged his most iconic character, I don't think the sequel was a bad movie but it was a terrible sequel
You obviously didnt get it. Mental ilness isnt a toy you can cram into your pocket.
What didn't I get?
Ill make sure i dont watch this one then
O yea, this one can be skipped for sure.
This film clearly demonstrates that the majority of people that watch the rise of Fleck felt exactly how the Joker did as the Joker killed him at the end with all rage and disappointment of our once Hero becoming a just a man…..he is just a man of and for that he was killed …….. For his disparate need and yours too ….keeping the delusion (joker) alive
@@user-ux3gh3nt8i who said he wasn't just a man? Who is seeing him as a hero? Why do you assume the man at the end was "The Joker"? If he is "The Joker", then why do you accept that one and not the other? What's the difference?
You need a psychopath to keep you amused and satisfied that’s what this film has demonstrated and this is what your review has spoken
Then blame Todd Phillips for that. He made a relatable Joker in the first film.
@@juanchocorleone idiot fleck is not a psychopath you really don’t understand these films
@@user-ux3gh3nt8i No
lol he was regressive…..and Why do you condemn Fleck for being regressive because he had self realisation of his actions and the person and actions he had done …..this review is not a damming Monologue of Joker 2 But in fact A confession from you, your gross disappointment, but a man is just a man