Motown: Hide your BIG BLACK BUTT to crossover = body shame
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ย. 2024
- One thing about the Black body is that it offends the dominate culture's puritanical sensibilities. Imagine being a kid with a big black bottom or an early developer and just see how folks respond. Think this contributes to body shame? Beauty is so much more than skin deep, it penetrates the soul.
Berry Gordy picked up on this and took decisive action!
From part 1 of a f 3-part BBC 2 documentary: When Black Became Beautiful
No copyright infringement intended, for educational purposes only.
That Audrey Smaltz sure loves Caucasian features. She talks so adoringly about white features and with disdain for black features. It's unbelievable how some black people can hate themselves.
Exactly 💯
U don’t think that was sarcasm? 😂 That was how I read it.
I thought it was just me. Sheesh
Could’ve been sarcasm but if it was she didn’t pull it off well.
You have hate for yourself too. That’s why little words can shake you to your core. But most ppl are so used to pointing fingers they’ve all but hid from themselves. Ppl like you are the most lost of all
Self hate is one of the ugliest things on Earth...
Especially if someone jealous of you talks you into it.
I'm curious as to what you found to be self-hate in this video?
Exactly
Right
Please clarify what you mean, because there isn't anything self hateful about being classy.
Mary Wilson truly had natural God-given beauty 😍
GORGEOUS EARTHY BEAUTY!!!!
Mary was beyond gorgeous!
You have not lied.
@MiamiPush2theLimit ...Tell me about it!!!
Yes,yes,yes Mary Wilson was a natural beauty.
Black features are God given and Beautiful. It’s so sad that people actually don’t see that it’s created gracefully by God
Which black features are those?
@@LisePlansandJournals All beautiful black features!!
Beautiful, round, and soft features. I love it. ❤️
@@LisePlansandJournals the true blacks aka dark nearly black skin ppl.
Then why the obsession with fake weaves, to look white ( blonde ones included) fake eyelashes that can sweep floors fake nails like eagle claws? Not many blacks carry themselves with dignity and class. Mostly trashy.
BW say don’t sexualize them
Yet they are the ones who go around half naked and twerk on social media. Black female rappers rapping about sex and one nerve using the p word.
The self-hate that Audrey Smaltz, a black woman, was spewing about black people's facial features is the most disgusting thing I have ever heard. I am glad she is not around us.
she was joking
Your absolutely correct.
@@derakc.2783a nasty ugly joke.
@@derakc.2783She was serious.
Exactly
Sadly, we’ve been fooled to not love our natural African beauty. However, you have white women injecting lips and butts to look like us.
You mean like how BW wear blonde wigs and bleach their skin to be like white women?
Yeah.. you forgot about that part didn't ya? LOL
But they don't want your sheep's wool head texture hair 😅🤣😂
@@philtoner2621 My self-worth or beauty is not based on your perception of me. This is exactly my point. From your comment, you assume that I care if you like the texture of my hair. I love the texture of my hair, and that’s what matters. God doesn’t make mistakes. I love all of my melanated self.
@@philtoner2621I’m glad they don’t cuz they will never be unique like us. That’s why they go bald trying to get braids like us. Limp thin ass hair. Our hair grows to the sun.
@@philtoner2621 think again I see some of them have found a product that makes their hair look kind of kinky when they have the dreadlocks they will steal anything we have
Damn the self hate is real .
Yep 💯💯💯
They taught us to hate Africa and anything associated with Africa or being African, including ourselves.
This is why Florence Ballard was pushed to the back. Thick and soulful.
She was not the only one put in the back ground for being a West African looking woman. What about Kim Weston?....Mr.Gordy had some colored man ideas too.
Ms Ballard most likely would not sleep with you know who...so she was axed.
Florence Ballard was a woman who stood up for her principles, and she was not interested in the "circus antics" that a certain individual tried to play with her
RIP FLORENCE.
@user-kr3ye9hl5e Florence Ballard doesn't look West African at all. Maybe a little thick, but light skinned. Also a very pretty lady.
Florence Ballard sure didn't have that typical West African look, mainly because of her complexion and hair texture. Her nickname was "blondie" to those closest to her. Kim Weston is a dark skinned woman, and a beautiful one at that. Florence Ballard was beautiful. Both could sanggg! 🕊
I have black features and I'm a commercial model I'm also short I love being black we are unique people
News flash: The 'African' nose comes in many shapes and sizes, including narrow... Another news flash: The 'Caucasian' nose also comes in many shapes and sizes... Don't believe me? ... Look at old White southern movies from the US and White movies from the U.K.... Also, research the different African tribes. Peace w/ a smile
It was a cringe worthy, ignorant, colorist, self-hating comment😞
Thanks 💯
They don’t want to hear anything intelligent. Just stereotypes.
Yes I know, I'm white and in my family we have a huge range of noses from wide to hawk looking lol. Some of us have booty, some don't. We all just need to love ourselves.
The broad nose is designed for greater oxygen uptake. Thick lips are for kissing. Enough said!!!
Ms. Powell would have a heart attack if she saw Cardi B and Meghan’s performance.😂🤣
I’m so glad she’s no longer here to have to see that trash.
Or to see any of the Kardashians do a live interview.
@@kirbykipling9515 Ms. Powell probably would have cared less about the Kardashians, if we're being honest.
Oh God yes lol
Pure trash, both of them.
Mary still looked beautiful.
Mary Wilson is super gorgeous! Wow!
She is FLAWLESS!!!!
I met her...sang with her. She's a gem, insight, out.
She is a friend of mind. Beautiful inside and out.
Mary and especially Florence was more attractive than D.R. .....
That's why Tom Jones had a long affair with her.
I watched a video here on yt about a week ago where a latin man was discusing racial identity re his race, he surmised that we are all imitation white people. It resonated w/ me even though it wasn't directed @ blk ppl. Watching this vid. all I heard was- "she had an incredible nose, marvelous! aquiline & white.- not wiDDE & negro.The hypocricy in our culture about being black & proud sickens me, 2b black with a white mind leads to the schizophrenic state that we collectivly suffer from today.
💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
Thank you. It's refreshing to know that at some of us get it.
Who is we 😂 I never suffered or teased anyone for being black. Speak for yourself
I loved John Amos, Charles Dutton, James Brown, Malcolm Shabazz, Miles Davis etc Yall have self hate not me
@@KOALA876 So you want the sunny days and no rain
The entire industry is jagged but men have it better?
Women can stop singing acting performing and get married and we never hear from them again
Men have to keep creating providing and evolving or else
Focus on yourself and your choices because men do not have it easier
@@belafonte5519so it's okay that "women are never seen or heard from again"????
Self hate is real. 😔
@Thats - The media has a lot of influence over our self-esteem. (If you allow it). Symbolic annihilation is the idea that if you don’t see people like you in a positive light, in the media you consume, you must somehow be unimportant. It covers race, gender, sexual preference, etc.
Yes. Lord. And these older generations criticize the younger generations.
@@alee111Most of today's generation Black American entertainers are the lowest of the low class. Just disgusting, embarrassing. Especially with this Hip Hop culture.
Depends on what you mean by self-hate. Are you saying acting wild, loud, and ignorant is what represents blackness. I'm 64 and black. Back in the day we did not conduct ourselves the way a lot of young people do today.
@@jazshasI completely agree! I'm 42 but was raised to be a respectable lady. Heartbreaking to see how trashy, classless, and disrespectful women have become. As a child, I admired women like Phylicia Rashad, Diahann Carroll, and Phyllis Hyman. I represent the true legacy of AKA 💕💚
Sam Cooke instinctively performed with the utmost class,yet he was the absolute most soulful of all. And remains as such to the present day1
That s half the story
INDEED AND AGREED ABOUT SAM!!!!!!💯
Right Sam was always classy but when he performed in front of a black audience he would really get gritty with it because he knew that's what his people liked going back to his Soul Stirrers days and when he would perform in front of a mostly white audience he would dial back the grittiness/soul yet always classy on stage.
How would you know? Barrio finishing school? 🙄
Didn't His Secret White Girlfriend Shoot him?
Record companies need to bring etiquette consultants back.
Did you hear that woman say she wasn’t ugly like a black woman?? And sadly a bunch of self hating black people on here don’t see the problem.
Most definitely.
That ship sailed and it’s not coming back.
Yes😊
@@oliviapearson7856 Did you pay attention or didn't have enough comprehension skills to know she was talking about how the industry viewed black people at the time. Being elegant and professional has nothing to do with "self-hating". That you have a problem with but - no problem with Kweens with septum rings piercing your lips/nose
- being masculine
- Chain smoker
- tattoos
- brightly colored hair
- long nails
- everything she wears is revealing
Being combative and never Fit, feminine, and always the need to be right.
Sears had a 'Charm School' on Saturdays. I loved it! It wouldn't hurt modern women to have some class.
Modern women dont have the time to play dress up to impress people who dont pay your bills.
@@TyraHigh That's why modern women are failing and dying alone.
And rightfully so. No man in his right mind wants a rebellious female
jezebel.
@@TyraHigh😂😂😂
@@TyraHigh they got time for hot girl summers though.🤷🏾♂️
What people find important they will make the time for it.
@@willia3revery generation is fighting white capitalism through black survival in some way. We’re just finally starting to see the world for what it is. Not what it could be. Get over yourself.
The woman who speaks so gleefully about how "white" Ms. Powell looked is disturbing. What the hell?
Exactly
I was like Dafuq??
😂😂😂so much self hatred for that woman.
Everything you see openly expressed on their face still exists today it’s just no longer at the surface. If you didn’t neglect yourself you would see you have the same problems as everyone else
@@MrSilus2000 Are you referring to unconscious bias? Yes, that is a problem for many people. However, you are truly reaching when you assume a person you have never met suffers from this issue. I have never, nor will I ever say or think that a person is beautiful because he/she looks "white". The woman featured in the story is simply beautiful, in any color.
Bring back etiquette classes ; badly needed in 2023.
Music Industry doesn't want couth and self esteem in their artists.
Early to their graves, or to jail. Profit, Profit, for the Overseers.
@@helenhamilton9561 INDEED!!!!
For women…..
Mrs. Powell may be knowledgeable about proper etiquette however, I disagree with her advice on how to get inside of a car. I believe it’s easier to turn your backside towards the seat, sit down, turn your back to the seat-back while lifting your legs turning in the car. Then, adjust your clothes for comfort.🌱
RIP, Ms. Maxine Powell. I am glad that you are getting your just due. You taught many of the Motown artists well.
Yes she did , 🎩 off to u , what a magnificent teacher u were, u are so much needed in todays time , u wouldn’t know where to start, these women have NONE they are lost!
@@beverlyhoward3512 Both sides need EXTREME assistance! It's sad how we allow outsiders to frame our mind when the majority of us know we can do and present ourselves so much better. So many do anything for the money. I guess that's what happens when talentless people get pushed to the front while truly gifted people who don't go for the BS get pushed to the basement. 😕😵💫😵💫😵💫
It was not genius. It was understated elegance. Any woman of any color who carries herself with class and elegance immediately stands out and commands attention.
quit it!None of us kids that loved Mary Wells cared less about her bottom.SHE WAS BEAUTIFUL & ROCKED OUT!!
RIP Helen Williams July 2023
So I am to believe there were no dark and lovely women.....plain ole racism
nah... just envy on your part.
This is so embarrassing why was being white or looking white beautiful. Sad world.
Because generally speaking they are better looking, that's why.
@@edwardcapobianco2975THE LIES YOU TELL. THEIR FEATURES DONT SCREAM BEAUTY AT ALL. NOW IF YOURE SAYING MAINSTREAM STANDARDS. I WILL AGREE, BUT THEY ARE NOT OVERALL THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE.
@@adrienpressey7439 what I'm saying is this... Halle berry Vanessa williams,diahann carol are all very beautiful women but they are exceptionally beautiful. More black women resemble Shirley Hemphill than they do Diana Ross. There are plenty of fat ugly white women too but not as many as there are black ones.
@@edwardcapobianco2975What the hell are you talking about! Black is more beautiful. We're the Original people. Even when black folks are old, their skin is still beautiful and smooth. Whites start wrinkling up in their 20's and 30's. 😉💯👍🏾
@@edwardcapobianco2975lol don’t make me laugh…they made plastic surgeons rich. And stay in the sun to get darker…and needed wigs and perfume long before we got a hold of them. So get it straight
To say one day, u will perform in front of kings and queens when u are the kings and queens. Now that's crazy
“I didn’t do anything for Stevie. He was always beautiful.” Yasss! He was a beautiful, talented baby!
That Audrey Smaltz woman sounds so ridiculous and so outside of her mind praising the white nose and the aquiline features, I just burst into laughter. 😂😂 Just outrageous!
I have to wonder if she was talking about her own personal standard of beauty or the standard that the white establishment held up to be marketable which was a black woman with white features
She was a disgrace
She was being sarcastic.
People in the 60s/70s were slimmer anyways. People used to get down more too. All this weird processed food and laziness gone made everyone fat.
Right
Facts 💯 hell even in the 90s and early 2000s people were still fine and fit.
🙄
Honey! Speak for yourself! Everyone is not fat. The majority of the people in the world are not fat. The majority or either obese 13% and overweight 39%. This equals 52% are either obese or overweight.
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I have no problem with the Motown charm school idea. It was necessary, not to be white, but to be classy.
Amazing that lots of Americans and Brits spent money buying MOTOWN records ... Diana Ross is singly the most popular female vocalist (by sales of records) than any female that has sold records ...on earth.... Obviously, all white people that bought Diana Ross records are racist..err...race had nothing to do with it; she made terrific music that people of all races, and nations enjoyed by buying her records and attending her concerts! Proof that race has NOTHING to do with MOTOWN, it was about fantastic song writing and performing and stage/pr presence.
Very true
HALLELUJAH!!!!! Say it again please!!!!
@@ccth22 😀😀😀
Exactly! Had nothing to do with white. Classy, black sophisticated ladies and gentlemen! We need that today. I was born a little too late.
So Helen Williams was the real Mahogany😮that Diana Ross portrayed in the movie without the extra cinematic drama to sell the movie!
Pretty much
Uhh.....Nope. I've never heard anything about Helen Williams being as wild or self-destructive as the character Mahogany.
@@kendrakay6725 Ummm yep, that wild self destructive stuff is called Hollywood script writing for dramatic purposes of making money! 🎤 drop.
Okay, I think I may have over-complicated my earlier reply, along with being a little abrupt. My apologies. Let me start over. I guess what I'm getting at is that your original statement that Helen Williams was the real Mahogany sort of implies that the fictional character of Tracy Chambers, portrayed by Diana Ross in the movie, was inspired by Helen Williams' life. At least, that's how I interpreted what you wrote. Is that what you meant? If so, I'm just saying that I don't see any significant parallels between the two, other than they're both black women....the real person being somewhat of a trailblazing model and the character, a fashion designer/model. Now, If you're referring to their darker (mahogany) skin tone, you could just as easily substitute Naomi Sims as being "the real Mahogany". @@cccalll
I actually took mahogany to be a representation of Diana's life.
Mrs. Powell also told biographer David Ritz that Marvin didn't need direction, as he clearly had received it from home. That's a preacher's kid for you.
VERY TRAGICALLY!!!
Are you kidding the preacher's kids are the worst they just present a good front like the preacher
@@johnfulton4061 Thank you for sharing your personal experience.
That same Gay preacher killed Marvin too...
@@LwNightTrain was Marvin's father really gay?
Etiquette is so very necessary, where they go wrong is this depiction of perfection. Especially with women in the entertainment industry. You must be this weight, this shape, this complexion, with hair flowing down your back. That mindset has destroyed the self-esteem of millions of women throughout the world. Not to mention that it is a totally unachievable goal. And so many women have resorted to drastic measures to achieve someone else's image of beauty. It's a never ending merry-go-round if you let it consume you.
I agree. And unfortunately, it's the majority that owns media. And it's the majority that gets to decide and PROMOTE/MARKET what is considered most preferable in a woman's body type, height, skin color, hair texture and length, and facial features that is then promoted to the WORLD as the standard of beauty.
Can we still blame the industry though? I mean, that was the problem for years but there's a lot more awareness now. We had a whole movement for natural hair but black women reverted with a vengeance. In the early 2000s, we started getting back to embracing our own hair and features, giving up relaxers and embracing our bodies. But now, 20 years later, black women skip the relaxer and go straight for long, silky, fake hair. Most young black women don't even KNOW how to manage their own hair. Edges all eaten up from wigs and such. The beauty and entertainment industries have been called out for their bs, so at this point it comes down to choices and what we're teaching our daughters. I had a daddy who told me I was beautiful and a mother who taught me how to care for myself. So nothing I see in a magazine is going to damage my self esteem.
@@you_can_call_me_T That's wonderful that you have parents who encourage your self-esteem. It's so necessary in the upbringing of a child. One thing that I've noticed throughout my life is the world has a problem with people just being themselves. They are ALWAYS trying to sell us something. Get a bigger house, get an extravagant vehicle, do this to your hair, skin, feet, teeth, eyes, mouth, etc... The mission is to look around you and be displeased and look in the mirror and be disgusted. Fall victim to the mentality that whoever you are and whatever you have is simply not enough. And believe that just so you can fatten someone else's pocket.
Ms. Maxine is greatly needed by artists today....
We can see she's missed!
The Employers of the artists today don't want a Ms. Maxine Powell. If they did, they'd keep them on the payroll and on top of the budget. There's an agenda to promote what's being put in front of us today.
helen williams was nothing short of breathtaking, such a beautiful woman
So true look a Babe Ruth there are many Caucasian people with big noses
Uh! Haven't you read where Ty Cobb didn't want to room with that "nigger" from Baltimore during the summer or minor leagues? It's been suggested that Babe Ruth was actually Black.
Typically Greeks, Mediterranean folks, and Eastern Europeans have this characteristic.
Homosexual black men now run the "run way model" for women business.... Every young woman that wants to be a model, is taught by homosexual men today in 2023.
Wild, ain't it?
That's news to me.
And, "homosexual black men"? What an odd way of saying gay.
Her lips are full and her nose is not aquiline, not alkaline, like you said. She's a beautiful black woman, period.
She was not a black woman! She was an American of African and European Ancestry. Look at this woman. You don't see black!
@@strausd02 Do you know about the one drop rule? But anyway, in Sub Saharan Africa people come in every shade and Black African have features that span the whole gamut. For example, despite the fact that they live in the Kalahari desert, the Bush people are all "high yellow". The nilotic people are ebony dark with straight noses... Africa is the genesis therefore the entire human race is represented in Black people.
@@strausd02 Literally, all those features you can find in east Africa.
@thezu9250 all these features you can find in most of the world. However, they told us their Ethnicity...
I am a White Mexican and have Scandinavian f a cial features
Ms. Powell taught them all of that but never corrected Diana's hunched shoulders while singing???
Mary wilson was fine!
ccth22 ABSOLUTELY, UNDENIABLE!
Tru dat an 4evah
Maxine Powell = diva!! I'm not even mad at her!!
George Clinton will ALWAYS keep it Funky!!!
I love Motown music. I really wish Sam Cooke was not murdered; what SAR records could have have been...
+Renaissence Leeks Finessing got him killed
Renaissence Leeks TRUE! Sam was about to turn it out!
He would have given BG AND MOTOWN "HEADACHES AND ANEURYSMS....
RESCUED AND REVIVED CAREERS, particularly "DISCARDED/DISRESPECTED MOTOWN ARTISTS"......
Particularly I believe Florence Ballard as A SOLO ARTIST.
Along with:
Jackie Wilson and "An Adult Sounding Frankie Lymon"
Sam would have introduced them to THE VALUE OF OWNERSHIP.
@@JA2NJ
By "A CONNIVING, CROOKED @$$ SMALL 🤠", ALLEN KLEIN.
my dads sisters went to finishing schools in the 50s very classy ladies but they get ratchet when drunk at family gatherings
all kids need to go to charm school
Oh how we go way out of our way to please the Devils...🙄
TRUE,AMEN!
But for that time period we did what was needed to be done so that we could go on to achieve more!
The Supremes and Motown changed our culture and influenced the planet The charm school type of grooming is just what was done to create nn image that would be embraced by the wider culture He ran Motown as an assembly line This is business as usual He wanted to create a polished finished product In the old Hollywood studio system the big stars were raw kids many from poor backgrounds The studio gave them new names bios They were taught to walk talk everything Motown wasn't doing anything wrong it was the creation of the best finished product It's about creating stars It's done every day People want to project their best image
What you say is true but ignores the fact that the motivation was not universal appeal, but to attract wider/white audiences in a legally segregated culture! You can be as color blind as you like, they could not afford that luxury.
So what’s wrong with that ? I see nothing wrong with that and I wish they would go back to these days. Todays artists are so trashy
@@longbranch11207
You see nothing wrong with that? Did you see Michael Jackson when he died? Learning behavior is one thing, but mutilating one's physical self (and one's mind) is not a good thing.
@@diepiriyeAnd what you say is true but it was a universal appeal to attract a wider audience to purchase more records and be more successful. You can be as clueless as you want but its a business. 95% business and 5% show. The reason why Diana Ross, Smokey Robinson can play the Casinos and Vegas today was because of the ground that was laid back for them. That was the era of Jim Crow and segregation and racism. It's easy to talk Sh*t in this day and age when you can go to any hotel that you want. Back then they didn't have that luxury.
@@longbranch11207Today’s “artists” were manufactured in white laboratories.
That lady( I dear assert her to a lady, its the respect for my elders in me) has so much self hate it’s astoundingly amazing that she could live with her self.
just saw Lena Horne in that 1930,s movie everybody was light skinned..how embarrassing
They're still black. Doesn't matter if their dark skinned or light. They should be proud of it. Especially considering other races are taught to mass kill & serial kill. Then either kill themselves or pretend to be insane during the aftermath
I’m down for etiquette classes, great song writers, and groomed images, but KEEP EM BLACK!
Omg y'all Audrey was being sarcastic 🤦🏽♀️ The number of people who don't seem to have caught that is bothersome lol.
She was dead serious. She said a black girl was beautiful because she looked like a white girl dipped in chocolate.
Amazing People!!! I am overwhelmed! Helen William (the black model) brought me here. A lot of things I dont know! I thought motown just got these stars. A lot of training and work went into everything - WOW! They make it look all easy! Its a true craft. Not everybody has poise... LOL They were taught how to get in and out of a limo, when they didnt even have a car.... Gem!
MARY WILSON!!
I feel elegant just listening to Mrs. Powell. The Supremes look classy as heck!
We need more Ms. Powell's in the world.
Agreed 💯
Clickbait title. This has nothing to do with "Body Shaming." It would, however, be interesting to see what Miss Powell would think of twerking if she were alive.
I COULD LISTEN TWO MISS POWELL ALL DAY. SO MUCH ANY RACE CAN LEARN FROM HER. IF WORLD WAS MORE CHARM SCHOOLS LIFE WOULD HAVE CLASS
To: dative/accusative - to the end of the hall, to be what you want to be. Too: quantitive/inclusive - This is too much!, Can I come too? Two: 2, Numeral spelled as word, more than 1(one).
guy grip Let me tell you! At A special Mary Wilson media event featuring the Original Vandellas at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, which was beautiful in itself, I Got a miraculous opportunity to actually sit at the Feet of Mrs. Powell and talk with her for some time and GLEAN from her God Given spirit of unmatched WISDOM and quickly became aware that there is NO ONE IN THIS WORLD that canNOT benefit from THIS woman's Divine Treasure! She taught Me a LIFETIME IN just the moments conversing with her. She LOVED me, (THANK GOD), and loved my style and demeanor, and even took my number before we all went off too Fat Fish Tuesday's restaurant to eat, including The Vandellas, whom I day with, and Mary Wilson! I will FOREVER Treasure THAT NIGHT!
Neil, can you actually believe you have racist imbeciles who have just enough chutzpah to create fake pages & fake profile pics of races other than theirs? They intentionally use incorrect grammar for the sole purpose of mocking them. What they fail to realize is; their effort & antics make them look far more stupid than their intended target. As I was always told, "your impression of me is a reflection of you". The funny part is; they're too smart to realize it 😂😂
I understand what Motown was trying to do but it was too much. Berry seemed obsessed with projecting this image that was palatable to whites so much so that the personalities of some of the artists was lost and they seemed phony & contrived. I think that’s why Stax was so refreshing to a lot of folks. Their artists felt like real people and not just dressed up, smiling mannequins.
Hip hop, with all its flaws, was the most effective tool in improving race relations amongst a younger generation of Gen X, Millenials and Gen Z'ers by making white folk meet black folk half way culturally. Beyonce's first big movie role was as Foxxy Cleopatra in Austin Powers which is based of 2 female superheroes in the blaxploitation genre
That movie made $296 million! That's more than the Wiz or even the Preacher's wife which was the black version of the Bishop's wife. It wouldn't have happened if black folk in entertainment kept using Berry Gordy's assimilationist model to reach people.
But why should Black people have to meet folks halfway or assimilate (basically water down and/or stifle their true selves & talents) just so others feel more comfortable? Either like the music or don’t. I’m not jumping through hoops and changing my whole personality just to try and ease someone else’s prejudices so they can feel like I’m not a threat or I’m one of “the good ones.” Nah, f that! Like I said, I understand what Berry was trying to do (sell records to _everyone_ and not just Blacks) and I understand it was a different time but it still irks me that the “crossover” (assimilation) became more important than just putting out great music and letting artists be themselves. 🤷🏾♀️
@@LadyDuchess The most important thing to Berry Gordy was making money. He didn’t give a damn about artistic integrity or creativity. Marvin Gaye and Stevie Wonder had to fight him to release their most significant works. Imagine limiting two geniuses like that. And the fact that he fought the Jacksons and wouldn’t let them have creative freedom either. Can you imagine being so selfish and losing Michael Jackson as a solo artist? Berry had very limited vision if you think about it. That to me proves that Berry definitely could not have made Motown successful by himself. He was extremely lucky. His family, especially his sisters, and the genius artists, made the biggest contributions to Motown’s success. He didn’t even come up with the charm school idea. That was his sister’s idea. Maxine Powell deserves a lot more credit than she was given.
What sorta amuses me is that those svengali managers slavedrivers were ready to exploit ANYONE and everyone. Blacks, whites, green purple and pink. And today…it is children, children artists and audiences who are being totally perversely endoctrinated. And sadly…no new Gil Scott Heron or new Prince in sight…damn
We’ve all been WaltDizneyed For far too long
I don't know how Ms. Powell got dragged into this but Ms Powell did NOT preach self hate. She preached etiquette. And she never told anybody that their bodies were unacceptable or ugly or any of that. She never said Big Butts were wrong. SHE said stop getting onstage or going places LEADING with your butt. She was against intentionally showcasing body parts. She felt that mystery was more intriguing than being vulgar. Just because you have physical features does not mean you have to exploit them...That would be like me purposely not wearing draws when I have on dress pants and somebody says "Man you should anchor that thing because it's all over the place when you walk" and me saying "Don't body shame me because I got good genes below the belt." Or "Well it ain't my fault I'm a Black Man and this comes with the territory so to tell me not to flaunt my Bird is telling me to deny my Blackness". Do either of those statements make good sense? No. There is a time and place for everything and that's all Ms. Powell taught.
There should be A LIMITED SERIES about "MS. MAXINE"
I feel that my "#1 LADY, TONI BRAXTON" would be A PERFECT FIT to portray her.
meanwhile motown was pit of vipers.
Fast forward and women wear bonnets outside and rap about brown booty holes. Crazy how drastically times have changed 😮
Bonnets? Those are damn bags.
This documentary's content and title are confusing; I didn't see a connection within the first few minutes, then I FF'd and still didn't see a connection... Being taught proper etiquette has nothing to do w/ the title (or being body shamed)... New's flash: Not all African ppl have big black butts; therefore, not all Blacks have them. Peace w/ a smile
I think this video needs to be relabeled. Where's the "shame" in class?
Looking at Mary Wilson I can see Kelly Rowland playing Mary Wilson life.
I’m so gladdddd this ever is over ugh them people really had to live their lives trying to be white.
What you talking about? Black people still live their lives trying to appeal to white people & trying to be white even still to this day. Let's not act ALOT changed because it hasn't. Not much.
Damn, Mary Wells was gorgeous til the day she died…. :)
Blk people age gracefully if we look after ourselves.
Yes Mary Wilson was a very beautiful and classy lady!! I’m glad I got to meet her and see her perform in Las Vegas and Los Angeles several times before her untimely passing.
Excellent video! Though the title is somewhat misleading. Nowhere in the video is anyone “body shaming” Black bodies or, any bodies. It’s about Beauty Standards, manners and acceptable behavior of the day. I work in the Fashion Industry and I think that Ms. Powell’s expertise is MUCH NEEDED with today’s entertainers and models!
If it's not clear to you from the video that whiteness is considered the standard of beauty, then I don't know why you watched.
@@xman9190lol some people will never get it. These people literally had to shrink themselves in order to appease the dominant class
Victim mindset and intersectionality
@@belafonte5519truth hurts whether u like it or not…not sorry
@@FleurRebelle k
We need a Mrs Powell in the industry now ❤❤❤
We have always taken what is available and made it great! This was common practice for some of us. I am finding the narrative describing our community to be tainted with brainwashing ideas of inferiority, which was not true. Given the chance we are elegant in our own way.
Great comment
This is sad. This is probably why Janet and Michael Jackson talk so soft spoken somewhat fake sounding
I was fortunate to have met Mrs. Powell several times during my years with Mary Wilson. Mary told me that story about Mrs. Powell getting in the car the wrong way. We would joke with each other if one of us was caught slipping! "What would Mrs. Powell think!" 😅
Bring back the charm school.
Sorry, they rather have thot school
we need another Maxine Powell for today's young whites and blacks.....Motown has always been my favourite music.....and as a white boy watching on Ed Sullivan.......I never saw colour......I just saw talent, coolness, and class......As the good lady said: Thats not money, that's something that's taught......Currently, I can say Donald Trump is a perfect example......raised in money, but not taught much class.
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Who taught you to hate yourself ?
Malcolm X
Imagine being told that what you look like naturally was not acceptable, was not enough. Now imagine those same folks who told you these things imitating and capitalizing off of those same features they deemed unacceptable.....que the Kardashians.
Who taught you to hate yourself...
@TeenageWildlife YOU GOT IT! And there has always been that sort of divide between those who wanted to please the white folks and those who understood the healing power of Soul! Notice Aretha was never at Motown, either. Think she could have screamed and hollered like that under Gordy's direction? Even Michael Jackson had to eventually leave, and Marivn and Stevie had to negotiate heavy for any artistic freedom, at which point we got What's Goin' On, and Stevie's host of critiques!
Sly Stone with his band was his own man. He redined the role of female musicians being hopefully “equals” to men. But let us hear Wilson laugh and tell the tale of her fantastic band.
Aretha Franklin was somewhat overrated.
@@DEKMAN99😂 you don’t say 🫡
@@DEKMAN99How so?
@@DEKMAN99 Said no one. Especially the white people that attempt to mimic Aretha
Same thing happening today. My mother’s side is light skinned and light eyes with good hair. My father’s side is darker skinned. I came out 6’3, light skinned and green eyes with extremely “good” hair. This was in the 80’s when I was a teenager, when the supposed “light skin is in” era. I actually hated my skin color. I hated being called “pretty boy” by the blacks, and “you don’t seem black” by the whites.
Fast forward to what I call the thug era, my prime years of early 20’s in the mid 90’s. Things reversed. Blacks didn’t think I was black enough, and whites looked at me as a militant black dude because I would often tell whites “I’m what you hate: a black man who is a lawyer, educated, and don’t deal with your foolishness”
Fast forward to present day. My wife of 24 years is brown skin. Our two children are brown, but both have green eyes and curly hair. When they were younger they went through the same damn thing with our people. It’s a damn shame!!!
Mary you are forever my love
When Black Became Beautiful
I got in in a local library and have not been able to find it online. Please look for it, however, since it's very good and well made mini-series. It's from BBC, but uses mostly examples from American popular culture (perhaps since our Blacks are more visible, and that is in itself an interesting quandary to consider----the platform that America gives 13% of it's population)
The saddest part of this( next to that woman saying black features are ugly and not classy) is the comment section of self hate.
My mouth dropped listening to her describe beauty. She was so excited talking about the white
features of the nose, lips, etc. That was soooo sad to me, what was she really saying about the
black race? Blacks cannot be beautiful without white features?🫤
I hate the title. Black is and was always beautiful. Not all Black people hate their features.
Its always about race. And, All you have to do is look at Berry's personal life to understand what he was about.
Pure genius to please devils.
Ms Maxine Powell was the truth and in the Motown Biographies from various artists, she is the one that gave the Motown acts REFINEMENT. Good matters are one thing but she taught them how to properly carry themselves. All the Motown acts benefited from this. This is why acts could play the Top clubs and Casinos and get top dollar. Whereas everyone else was restricted to the chitlin circuit. We have seen where things have taken us. The cussing, tattoo tramp stamps, wanting to fight at the drop of a hat. Drinking, smoking. Not able to properly communicate. Angry tones in people's voices. Realize all of that was back there in the 60's as well.
Your comment is well stated and sadly, very true. Class and etiquette is taught, it's not something you're born with. The speech, mentality, appearance, and performance of these class-less role models, shamelessly, have and is tainting the minds of past, present, and future young and impressionable generations.
much respect to her!
1:39. I remember in the community that I grew up in there was a black woman who looked very much like her. I remember a white woman out at a store saw her. Didn't know her by name only her face. Approached her and exclaimed. "I was just asking my friend the other day what happened to that "BEAUTIFUL BLACK WOMAN" that... yada yada yada. The black woman was gracious at the complement, but even I as a child around 12 was given pause. The white woman was literally saying that black women aren't inherently beautiful and that only a black woman with white features could be deemed so. "This bitter earth... what fruit it bares!"
I just ran across this video again. I so want to see the whole things can you upload more clips please when your not so busy
If you hate yourself,you can never love anyone else 😒
Boom !!! There It Is !!!
They sounded so brainwashed back then😢
The damage continues.
Reparations NOW!
No reparations.
Get a job. NOW!
As if today isn’t brainwashing too with all the ass in your face…..just saying.
Back then you were brainwashed to not like your figures and act in a certain way. Today we are brainwashed to degrade ourselves with the in your face technique. It’s all the same at the end of the day lol
Ms. Powell was a true OG. RIP Ma'am
East African Eritrean and Ethiopian women have those features in mass
they're the same ones to call them mixed to feel good about their features
Some of them seemed to want to get to the other side sooo bad! Who does everyone mimic now? Why would I want to be anyone other than who I am?
I’m 67 years old when I was a kid charm schools were popular. They should have charm schools today. Some of these young folks could use come classes.
I love this clip; where can we find the full documentary
+Nicole Mckinley BBC. it's online.
+Dr. Kuku I'm having trouble finding it; can you send me the link ?
+Dr. Kuku I went to BBC i dint find it...pls help us out by just posting the link...
Great post. Where can the entire documentary be found please.
@@BlackCinemaClub BBC archives. Channel4 also a good one. That is when UK TV was exceptional. I want to see THE SCREAMIN JAY HAWKINS english documentary from way back but i only saw it once on the box
Thank you Maxine powell❤I love you forever you definitely inspire this black woman today
From part 1 of a f 3-part BBC 2 documentary: When Black Became Beautiful
So sad to hear a black woman speak in this manner about a black woman's features so negatively.
Hey I do not mean to be a bother but did you ever get this documentary again? I am so anxious for it?
That made absolutely no sense.
This was pure gold. FBA entertainers had so much glamour beauty and class. It think the etiquette class was a wonderful idea, too bad these schools have become obsolete we just manufacture whores now. This was a treat. ❤🎉❤
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@@dejstoneyyou good?
Where is the whole video 📷📸