Trinity 1: The Trinity Project - Jiri Moskala, Th.D., Ph.D.
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Thank you so much for sharing all 16 presentations about the Trinity. I am so happy to hear and see this. My faith and understanding of the Trinity is now much clearer. My understanding and love for God Father, Son and The Holy Spirit has grown to a hi level. God bless you all 10 who has made this possible. Glory to God Yahwe. I am an Adventist in Norway. Member since 1983. I did buy the book Triniti for some years ago. That one has also been a blessing for me. My name is Rune Egren
+ronny andersen Did you listen to the two lectures by Merlin Burt on the Trinity in SDA History and in the writings of E.G. White? Although fraught with errors from major ones to minor points needing a better understanding or refinements, not all of the things understood by the early church were incorrect. A careful study of the Scriptures will help to sort the gems from the dross. The trinity is one of the gems as I read the Word. The Father is plain, the Son is not begotten in the sense of the English word, but unique and yet one with the Father, and the Spirit Jesus sends is another Comforter just as Jesus had been to the disciples, yet distinct from Jesus. God Bless you as you continue to study in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (One Holy Name -- Three persons).
I agree..the trinity is not biblical. These professors have all dipped their tongue in the "wine of babylon" to put it plainly. The trinity as far as we are concerned cannot be found in the bible but is only ASSUMED to be biblical. These scholars know this concept is an ASSUMPTION but they will tell you something else in public..especially when the Christian world is listening..may be they do not want Adventism to be re-labelled a cult from which Lee Roy Froom attempted to practically distance the church through the QOD (QUESTIONS ON DOCTRINES). Lee Roy Froom surprisingly was the orchestrator of the Trinity Doctrine finally ushering its way into the church..The scholars confirm:
1.“While no single scriptural passage states formally the doctrine of the Trinity, it is ASSUMED as a fact by Bible writers and mentioned several times. Only by faith can we accept the existence of the Trinity.” (Adventist Review Vol. 158 No. 31, 1981, P. 4)
2.“The concept of the Trinity, namely the idea that the three are one, is not explicitly stated but only ASSUMED.” (Fernando L. Canale, the Handbook of Seventh-day Adventist Theology, Seventh-day Adventist Encyclopaedia Volume 12, page 138, ‘Doctrine of God)
upholdingthetruth If you properly understand what those two quotes are saying, you will see that it's not the scholars who are assuming, but the Bible authors themselves assume (or take for granted) the fact of the Trinity. You've badly misunderstood their point.
Ben Nichols the catholic trinity is a single devine being with a multiple personality mental disorder but it is monotheism (a belief in 1 god). The sda socalled trinity is a belief in three coequal coeternal unrelated devine beings and each being a separate person and at a point in time the three gods (tritheism and polytheism) drew straws to see who would play the roll of the son. The founders of the sda chuch believed in one god and in one mediator between god and men but the catholics don't believe in one mediator and current sda theology doesn't believe in one god or one mediator. Please view youtube videos under the heading of 'nontrinitarian and antitrinitarian seventhday adventists' there are a lot of them with a lot of E.G. White quotes.
Can you please shoe me where is it written in the Bible "God the Holy Spirit"?
The Trinity = Blasphemy
Linda Bennett you’ll right it’s not in the Bible also Spirit of the Holy Spirit, Lord Holy Spirit.
In John 4:24 our infallible Saviour Himself teaches the Samaritan woman about the Being of the Father (what the Father "composed of" so-to-say): "GOD IS SPIRIT" !
You can cross-reference that with Psalm 99:9 , which says at the end that "GOD IS HOLY" !
In conclusion , the Being of our triune God is an actual infinite and eternal (i.e. without beginning) Holy Spirit !
Within this Spirit there are 3 Coequal & Coeternal Minds (or Persons): the First voluntarily accepted and took up the title "Father" (at Creation), the Second took up the title "Son" (at the Virgin Birth) and the Third took up the title "Comforter" (KJV) or ""Advocate" (NIV) - see John 14.
All that Trinitarians do is humbly and respectfully allow the inspired Word of God to speak , then put 2 and 2 together.
It is our Saviour Himself that teaches us this Trinitarian concept :
Matthew 28:19
"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"
nowhere not in any bible concordance either
The presenter should have enough honesty to admit that many Seventh-day Adventist do not believe in a Trinity. The movement is divided on this issue.
approvedofGod They wouldn't have made these videos if we were united on the issue. It's wrong to falsely accuse them of dishonesty. Officially, however, we only have one doctrine, approved by the world church, and it is in clear support of the Trinity.
I had the great privilege of having a week of class with this great man of God!
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@Louie Graham Definitely, have been watching on InstaFlixxer for years myself :D
Thank's pastor.
God must be beyond our comprehension. The Trinity makes perfect sense. God is so great that the only way that we can even begin to understand him is in Three Persons. And Even then, it is still way over our heads. The day we can understand God, then we will justify the the choice to abandon our belief in Him.
Our tri-personal Lord is unfathomable and infinitely glorious indeed ! Praise the One triune Name of the Father, the Son and of the Holy Spirit ! Hallelujah !
translation i dont have the faintest idea what Jesus or Any of the Apostles ever said im quite content to be told what to believe since i dont and probably will never bother reading the bible much less pray to a God i dont understand so can never know and so must just be afraid of, nevertheless here you go Acts 2;38 mark16 16 romans 6 ;1-6 romans 14 ;10-12 acts chapters 10 and 11 yes the whole thing acts chapter 22;16 ephesians 4;5 a trinitarian cannot but be against his own bible because no sinners prayer or trinity is in it
a trinitarian must just blindly ignore a vast majority of the bible and be content to show up at whatever building he believes has the gospel and stay happy being lied to is that too harsh? no its love for GOD JESUS CHRIST IS GOD only one judgement seat only one great white throne Revelatians 22;18-19 is for false prophets like this and anyone who follows them
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At least, you should believe in your prophet!!! WHO IS GOD?
Answer:
“God is the Father of Christ; Christ is the Son of God. To Christ HAS BEEN GIVEN AN EXALTED POSITION. HE HAS BEEN MADE EQUAL WITH THE FATHER. All the counsels of God are opened to His Son.”
- Ellen G. White, Testimonies for the Church, Vol. 8, p. 268
It is precisely BECAUSE this scholar believes in God's prophet that he also believes in the Trinity ! When you carefully what Ellen White has to say on the matter from beginning to end , you can clearly see that her understanding of the Godhead EVOLVED over time ! An incomplete but evolving understanding does NOT make her any less a prophet , just like Habakkuk is no less a prophet despite his incomplete understanding of the punitive justice of God in the beginning of his 3 chapter book , because by the end he does come around - compare Habakkuk 1:1-4 with Habakkuk 3:17 - he is clearly undergoing an evolution in his own understanding of the character of God !
So does Ellen White ! YES , when you read the first chapter of Patriarchs and Prophets she does sound Arian (much like the JWs) BUT when you read The Desire of Ages (which was written 8 years LATER), right from the first chapter titled "God with us" you see a more complete understanding ! Here , she also takes into account the gospel of John and she perfectly agrees with the apostle of love regarding the FULL divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ. She also describes our Incarnate Saviour as the Person molding our planet in the Creation week.
At the apex of her most daring declarations about Christ we find , in chapter 58 titled "Lazarus , Come Forth" (page 530 in the pagination of the standard hardback printings) we find Ellen White's interpretation of John 11:25 - and she says that: "IN CHRIST IS LIFE, ORIGINAL, UNBORROWED, UNDERIVED"
SO , the prophet herself finally came to the understanding that Christ, just like the Father , has NO beginning in Time !
ALSO - Isaiah 9:6 presents Christ as the Creator of Time - "Father of Eternity".
ALSO - Hebrews 1:2 tells us that through Christ even "the ages" ("tous aionas") were created.
In greek koinee concept , those are the very components of Time itself , as a whole. So Christ had to exist BEFORE Time , for it to be created through Him !
Finally , in 1 John 5:20 , Christ Himself is called "the true God and eternal life" ! We know that this refers to Him , because in John 11:25 , Christ calls Himself "the Resurrection and the Life" !
Thomas believed in the full divinity of Christ when he worshipped Him after Resurrection and declared the Saviour to be his Lord and his God - and our Redeemer commended him for that ! I will do the SAME - WILL YOU ?!
Sam Ard. If EGW became a Trinitarian than she was apostate.
The vers about Tomas you fully misunderstanding, beause you apply your preconceived thinking.
You should read the passage in context!
Who have seen the Lord have see the Father.
Thomas recognized the Father in Christ...
@@RobertSmith-ow3pl - You lock yourself in a bubble of idolatry when you worship two divine beings (and therefore two gods !) instead of the only One triune Being Who the remnant Church worships !
Ellen White published statements about God existing as “three living persons” twice in 1906. Once in a periodical called The Bible Training School , and then again in a pamphlet called “Testimonies for the Church Containing Messages of Warning and Instruction to Seventh-Day Adventists” where in page 63 she specifically says:
“There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers - the Father , the Son and the Holy Spirit - those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized ...”
ALSO , in The Desire of Ages , page 671 , chapter “Let Not Your Heart Be Troubled” White says:
“Sin could be resisted and overcome only through the mighty agency of the Third Person of the Godhead, who would come with no modified energy , but in the fullness of divine power.”
@@samard.7869 , so you don't know it from the Scripture, but you have to be told what exactly to believe? What if those texts are misunderstandings, what if someone edited those sentences? How do you know if they ever were written by Ellen White? You know, EGW stated, that the foundations are not moved and never will be! If you think the identity of God is not part of the fundamentals, than you are much more confused than I think. BTW, you were right to say that there is ONE God, Paul tells you who He is: "yet there is for us only one God, the Father" 1Cor 8:6. If you add anything or anyone, than you dont believe Paul, and you reject the Bible. If you can prove this wrong, than your theology is wrong, because Paul was Right, not EGW nor you or anyone. Lets just trust the Bible to be true, or you will lose your balance.
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- Brother, I assure you my supreme authority IS the Scripture itself !
I check and double-check everything with the Scripture - even what Ellen White said.
FIRSTLY, I am very glad to see that you consider apostle Paul's word to be superior to that of sister White (I believe you were indeed led by the Holy Spirit there , I feel the exact same way!) - BUT this is exactly why the SDA church correctly declares her a “NON canonical prophet”: because the Bible is always superior, and even White cannot change it (let alone an airhead of a pope...).
SECONDLY, about God being only One - I totally subscribe to that! However, when it comes to the “Unity of God”, please do let Scripture not only tell you that “God is One” but also let it DEFINE & DESCRIBE what that actually means!
(It’s just like with the human “soul” - the popular concept today is a pagan one, so we must let the Scripture talk for itself and DESCRIBE what a soul really is!)
On one hand, in Isaiah 6:1 the prophet sees the Lord God Himself sitting on His divine throne - the same Lord Who is declared in Deuteronomy 6:4 to be the only true God !
On the other hand, John 1:18 and 6:46 show that no man has ever seen the Father Himself.
So Who did Isaiah see then? Does the OT contradict the NT?!
=>The only answer: Isaiah saw the BEING of the One true living God, but NOT the PERSON of the Father (because he saw the Preincarnate Christ)! THIS is why Trinitarians distinguish between “Being” and “Person” ! To let the Bible define its own terms , so we don’t end up with garbage theology , like “immortal souls” or “eternal torment” ...
This is ALSO why “Elohim” and “Adonai” are PLURAL terms, effectively meaning “The Gods” and “The Lords” - because in the One unique Being of God, there is an actual real plurality of coequal coeternal Persons, Who are perfectly “distinct but not separate” !
1 god with a multiple personality mental disorder or three gods who drew straws to see who would become the son or a single one being god with a single personality who was not a father and who had no son but at a point in time took a part of his holy spirit and made a son, a second being and person who he god the father made in his own invisable image and was later manifested in the flesh. These are in essence the trinity of beliefs or unbeliefs being presented in this series. Also see youtube videos on 'nontrinitarian and antitrinitarian seventhday adventists', there are a lot of them on the sda change of theology and their exchange of gods and their new jesus christ playing the roll of the son of god as god the son. Also see youtube video, 'the shocking history of abortion in the seventhday adventist church by prolife andrew', The sda church went from prolife to straddling the fence to prodeath in sda hospitals and adventist run abortion clinics. So do we dance naked before the lord around a golden calf god (it's all about the money) and do we sacrifice aborted children to the god moloch or do we not do those thing??? Someone once asked me if I thought this was a salvation issue. I said I was convinced it was. What do you think???
the one omnipresent not a trinity but one GOD speaks for himself in John 3;13 ephesians 4;5-6
At 2:40 the Fellowship with God? 1 John 1:3 says “That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.” Again Sir the things you are saying has no biblical support, Our Fellowship with God is with him and His Son
blah blah read Romans 14;10 -12 where Jesus is Judge and is called GOD back to sqare one so youve recieved Jesus as Savviour too bad Thats not in the Bible look in a bible concordance Trinity is also absent NOP no where in the Bible NADA ZiLCH
At 1:33 you said they all work at the same time meaning Father,Son and Spirit are working in the plan of Salvation. is that what the Bible says? Notice what Christ says in John 5:15-17 “The man departed, and told the Jews that it was Jesus, which had made him whole.
16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.” And John 10:24-30 “Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one. As you can see in John 5 and 10 the Father and Son are working together with no mention of the Holy Spirit as a separate person than them so what you are saying is incorrect
ephesians 4;5 acts 2;38 galatians 3;26-27 mark 16;16 just a few in your favor
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights James 1:17 (What does every include?), how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him. Acts 10:38, But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, John 14:26, Now He who establishes us with you IN Christ and has anointed us is God, who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.2 Cor 1:21-22, he Spirit of the LORD GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; Isa 61:1, Luke 4:18....Make sure what is taught is the WORD of GOD let it interpret itself, man cannot. Do not use man's illusions. "Should he permit them in their self-confidence to go on unwarned, he would be held responsible for their souls. The pastor who fulfills his high commission must give his people faithful instruction on every point of the Christian faith, showing them what they must be and do in order to stand perfect in the day of God. He only who is a faithful teacher of the truth will at the close of his work be able to say with Paul, “I am pure from the blood of all men.”{AA 393.4}
Ephesians 4;5-6
1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, (He) who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
The Holy Spirit has a personality, else He could not bear witness to our spirits and with our spirits that we are the children of God. He must also be a divine person, else He could not search out the secrets which lie hidden in the mind of God. {FLB 52.3}
"The Holy Spirit is the Third Person of the Godhead. He is the great teacher sent from heaven to guide us into all truth.""Manuscript 20," 1906
What the bible & the spirit of prophecy said?
The Holy Spirit, which proceeds from the only begotten Son of God - RH, April 5, 1906
Note: Only 2 divine Being create the world
The Father and the Son engaged in the mighty, wondrous work they had contemplated, of creating the world... After the earth was created, and the beasts upon it, the Father and Son carried out their purpose, which was designed before the fall of Satan, to make man in their own image. They had wrought together in the creation of the earth and every living thing upon it. And now God said to His Son, "Let Us make man in Our image" - EGW, The Spirit of Prophecy, vol.1, pg.24,25
The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ; it is His representative - 13MR 313.3, 1895
Christ has left His Holy Spirit to be His representative in the world - Lt84, October 22, 1895
The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ, which is sent to all men to give them sufficiency - 14MR 84.3
We want the Holy Spirit, which is Jesus Christ - Lt66, April 10, 1894
..but it is the leaven of the Spirit of Jesus Christ, which is sent down from heaven, called the Holy Ghost - Ms36-1891
They have one God and one Saviour; and one Spirit, the Spirit of Christ, is to bring unity into their ranks - 9T 189.3, 1909
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Romans 8:9
Finally, we know the Divine unity of the Father and the Son from the fact that both have the same Spirit. Paul, after saying that they that are in the flesh cannot please God, continues: "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." Rom. 8:9. Here we find that the Holy Spirit is both the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ - E.J. Waggoner, CAHR, p.23, 1890
All things Christ received from God - DA, p. 21
The Father gave HIS Spirit without measure to HIS Son - RH, November 5, 1908
They were two, yet little short of being identical; two in individuality, yet one in spirit, and heart, and character - Youth's Instructor, Descember 16, 1897
This refers to the omnipresence of the Spirit of Christ, called the Comforter - 14MR 179.2
I will not leave you comfortless; I will come to you - John 14:18
Note: His Spirit is A DISTINCT PERSONALITY, the Holy Spirit has a personality
The Holy Spirit is the Comforter, in Christ's name. He PERSONIFIES CHRIST, yet is A DISTINCT PERSONALITY - 20MR 324.2
When trials overshadow the soul, remember the word of Christ, remember that He is an unseen presence in the PERSON of the Holy Spirit - DG 185.2, 1897
Lift up Christ in His power in the PERSON of the Holy Spirit. He is waiting for them toopen the door an admit Him - Lt59, March 29, 1899
Christ has left His Holy Spirit to be His representative in the world - Lt84, October 22, 1895
Jesus is present in the PERSON of His representative, the Holy Spirit - 12MR 145.2, 1898
The spirit of every living being has a personality because our spirit is our personality. So the Holy Spirit has a personality because God and His Son have a personality. "In giving us His Spirit, God gives us Himself," (E.G. White, 7T 273.1, 1902)
Note: His Spirit DIVESTED of the personality of humanity AND INDEPENDENT
"Cumbered with humanity, CHRIST could not be in every place personally; therefore it was altogether for their advantage that He should leave them, go to His father, and send the Holy Spirit to be His successor on earth. The Holy Spirit is [Christ] HIMSELF, divested of the personality of humanity, and independent thereof. HE would represent Himself as present in all places by HIS Holy Spirit, as the Omnipresent." (Ellen G. White, Lt119, February 18, 1895)
Note: in His second coming, only 2 divine Being mention, Son of man & his Father (not mention the Holy Spirit, as another divine Being)
For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works - Matt. 16:27
Satan, next to Christ, was... highest in power and glory - Sign of the Times, July 23, 1902
After the fall of man. It was Gabriel,the angel next in rank to the Son of God - DA. pg.234
..he (Satan) did not want to occupy a second place, but to be next to God. He would have the Lord Jesus become second to him,... he was jealous of Christ, the Saviour... his craving to be the highest one next to God - EGW, Ms74, March 20, 1910
Christ gave His representative, the third person of the Godhead, the Holy spirit - EGW, CTr 301.4
The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ; it is His representative - EGW, 13MR 313.3, 1895
Note : Power to resist & overcome sin
Sin could be resisted and overcome only through the mighty agency of the third person of the Godhead - DA, 671.2
There is no power in you apart from Christ, but it is your privilege to have Christ abiding in your heart by faith, and He can overcome sin in you, when you cooperate with His efforts - EGW, Our High Calling, 76.5
With His spirit Christ sends a reconciling influence and a power that takes away sin - EGW, Review and Herald, May 19, 1904
The Prince of the power of evil can only be held in check by the power of God in the third person of the Godhead, the Holy Spirit - EGW, Special Testimonies, series A, no. 10, p. 37, 1897
Jesus alone has power to save from sin, to free from the power of evil; and to doubt him who has laid down his life for us, is to grieve and insult the Father - EGW, Review and Herald, February 10, 1891
By His humanity, Christ touched humanity; by His divinity, He lays hold upon the throne of God. As the Son of man, He gave us an example of obedience; as the Son of God, He gives us power to obey. DA 24.3
Note : Below, several statement indicate there are ONLY 2 Divine Being (using the word ALONE to express it)
The Father and the Son ALONE are to be exalted - EGW, The Youth's Instructor, July 7, 1898
God and Christ ALONE know what the souls of men have cost - EGW, Signs of the Times, January 13, 1909
God informed Satan that to his Son ALONE He would reveal his secret purposes... - EGW, Signs of the Times, January 9, 1879
No man, nor even the highest angel, can estimate the great cost; it is known ONLY to the Father and the Son - EGW, The Bible Echo, October 28, 1895
The ONLY Being who was one with God lived the law in humanity, descended to the lowly life of a common laborer, and toiled at the carpenter's bench with His earthly parent - EGW, Signs of the Times, October 14, 1897
Christ the Word, the only-begotten of God, was one with the eternal Father, one in nature, in character, and in purpose, the ONLY being in all the universe that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God. By Christ, the Father wrought in the creation of all heavenly beings - EGW, GC p.493
Note: Who is the Comforter?
This refers to the omnipresence of the Spirit of Christ, called the Comforter - EGW,14MR 179.2
Let them study the seventeenth of John, and learn how to pray and how to live the prayer of Christ. He is the Comforter. He will abide in their hearts, making their joy full - EGW, Review and Herald, January 27, 1903
As by faith we look to Jesus, our faith pierces the shadow, and we adore God for His wondrous love is giving Jesus the Comforter - EGW, 19MR 297.3
Christ is to be known by the blessed name of Comforter - EGW, Ms7 - 1902, January 26, 1902
The Saviour is our Comforter - EGW, 8MR 49.3
Jesus comes to you as the Spirit of Truth - EGW, 2MR 337.1
To the guidance of this Comforter all who believe in Chist may implicitly trust. He is the Spirit of truth - EGW, 12MR 260.1
We can not be with Christ in person, as were His first disciples, but HE has sent HIS Holy Spirit to guide us into all truth - [John 16:13 quoted] EGW,Ms30, June 18, 1900
..Receive ye the Holy Ghost.. Christ breathed HIS Spirit upon them - EGW, DA, pg.805
.. in giving HIS Holy Spirit, He is giving to them the glory which the Father has given him, that He and his people may be one in God - EGW, Signs of the Times, October 3, 1892
When the Holy Spirit was poured out upon the early church, the whole multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul. The Spirit of Christ made them one. This is the fruit of abiding in Christ - EGW, GCDB, February 6, 1893
The promise of the Holy Spirit is not limited to any age or to any race. Christ declared that the divine influence of HIS Spirit was to be with His followers unto the end. From the day of pentecost to the present time, the Comforter has been sent to all who have yielded themselves fully to the Lord and to His service - EGW, Acts of the Apostles, 49.2
Christ came to our world, but the world could not endure His purity. He has gone to His Father, but He has sent HIS Holy Spirit to represent Him in the world till he shall come again - EGW, Ms1, January 11, 1897
"Cumbered with humanity, CHRIST could not be in every place personally; therefore it was altogether for their advantage that He should leave them, go to His father, and send the Holy Spirit to be His successor on earth. The Holy Spirit is [Christ] HIMSELF, divested of the personality of humanity, and independent thereof. HE would represent Himself as present in all places by HIS Holy Spirit, as the Omnipresent." (Ellen G. White, Lt119, February 18, 1895)
I was born into a SDA family and always believed in the ‘trinity: god the father, god the son, and god the holy spirit until recently; however, studying the Scriptures with the Spirit of Prophecy and our Pioneers beliefs, I can wholeheartedly say that all those who believe as such are wrong. The trinity doctrine is a false doctrine which was brought into the church primarily by LeRoy Froom who was a Jesuit Catholic priest and joined the SDA church for the sole purpose to deceive and mislead many thus leading them to perdition. Please study the Scriptures and Spirit of Prophecy diligently with prayer and find out for yourself that NONE of our Pioneers nor Sister White believed in the trinity. For example, she refuted Dr Kellog and Brother Chapman who came to believe in god the father, god the son and god the holy spirit, three gods in unity, thus god the holy spirit being a different person to the Father and the Son [Jesus Christ.] Here just a few quotes from Sister White and some of our Pioneers on this matter, which trinitarians are ignoring:
"Cumbered with humanity, Christ could not be in every place personally; therefore it was altogether for their advantage that He should leave them, go to His Father, and send the Holy Spirit to be His successor on earth. The Holy Spirit is Himself, divested of the personality of humanity, and independent thereof. He would represent Himself as present in all places by His Holy Spirit, as the Omnipresent. “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall [although unseen by you] teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. ... Nevertheless, I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.” {Lt119-1895.18}
"The Son of God shared the Father's throne, and the glory of the eternal, self-existent One encircled both. . . . none but Christ, the Only Begotten of God, could fully enter into His purposes, and to Him it was committed to execute the mighty counsels of His will" (PP, p. 36).
"After the earth was created, and the beasts upon it, the Father and Son carried out their purpose, which was designed before the fall of Satan, to make man in their own image. They had wrought together in the creation of the earth and every living thing upon it. And now God says to his Son, "Let us make man in our image." (ST Jan. 9, 1879; par. 13).
"In the beginning the Father and the Son had rested upon the Sabbath after Their work of creation." (DA p.769, par.2).
“The Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of the Father, is truly God in infinity, but not in personality. Ellen White, Upward Look, page 367
“Christ has given HIS Spirit as a divine power.” - (E.G. White, RH, Nov 19, 1908)
“How few realize that Jesus, unseen, is walking by their side!” - (E.G. White, 14MR 125.3)
“He [Christ] is an unseen presence in the PERSON of the HOLY SPIRIT,” - (E.G. White, DG 185.2, 1897)
“The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God; it is also the Spirit of Christ.” U. Smith, GC Daily Bulletin, Vol. 4, March 1891, pp. 146, 147
“Here we find that the Holy Spirit is both the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ.” E. J. Waggoner, Christ and His Righteousness, p. 23, 1890
“We learn from this language that when we speak of the Spirit of God we are really speaking of his presence and power.” J. N. Loughborough, Review & Herald, September 13, 1898
“The divine Spirit that the world’s Redeemer promised to send is the presence and power of God.” Signs of the Times, November 23, 1891
“We want the Holy Spirit, which is Jesus Christ.” E. G. White, Lt66, April 10, 1894
This is another statement of Sister White which says, I quote:
Before the entrance of evil, there was peace and joy throughout the universe. All was in perfect harmony with the Creator’s will. Love for God was supreme, love for one another impartial. Christ the Word, the only begotten of God, was one with the eternal Father,-one in nature, in character, and in purpose,-the only being in all the universe that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God. (Great Controversy, 493)
If this is true, then, how is it that Christ was the ONLY BEING in all the universe that could enter into ALL THE COUNSELS and PURPOSES of God? Where was the ’god the holy spirit?’ After all, if he is ‘god’ being co-eternal and co-equal with the Father, how is it that he could not enter into all the counsels and purposes of God?
We MUST be very careful in what we believe as the devil is running to and fro on the face of this earth to deceive as many as he can. Therefore, study the Scriptures, the Spirit of Prophecy and the beliefs of our Pioneers for yourselves and let none foul you. We need to do like the Bereans, who went home and studied the Scriptures for themselves to see if it were so!
Food for thoughts:
“That most of the leading SDA pioneers were non-Trinitarian in their theology has become accepted Adventist history, surprising as it sounded to most Adventists 40 years ago when Erwin R. Gane wrote an M.A. thesis on the topic. More recently, a further question has arisen with increasing urgency: was the pioneers’ belief about the Godhead right or wrong? As one line of reasoning goes, the pioneers were wrong and the present church is right, or the pioneers were right and the present Seventh-day Adventist Church has apostatized from biblical truth.” (Jerry Moon, The Trinity, page 190)
The Trinity is a pagan Catholic doctrine introduced in the SDA Church officially in 1980 many years after the death of the Pioneers.
Jesus and the Apostles taught it very clear: there is only ONE true God, God the Father (John 3:17; 1 Corinthians 8:6)
Edupier A Generation in the Bible is 40 years, what’s Forty added on to 1980? Is it not 2020?🤔 my Friend I’m not time setting but I do believe we are going to see the coming of the Lord more vividly that no one can’t deny. Prophecy is History before it happens and this Generation of SDAs will witness the reality of rejecting the Father and the Son in 1980 to accept Barabbas the Trinity doctrine (Matthew 27:25)
and his NAME IS JESUS CHRIST acts 2;38 ephesians 4;5-6
This is not biblical 👎🏿
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You are right Sal Garcia. The view of God as the trinity is beyond our thinking. The trinity is based on pagan philosophy. We are to run far away from vain thinking. Colossians 2:8 KJV
[8] Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
The scriptures are clear. Deuteronomy 6:4 KJV
[4] Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD
Deuteronomy 4:35,39 KJV
[35] Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him. [39] Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.
The English is clear. There is only one God. He has a personality and not personalities. Moses and the Hebrew writers were not trinitarians. Even in Jesus day as well as today the Jews are not trinitarians. Even Jesus was not trinitarian.
Isaiah 45:5 KJV
[5] I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
Mark 12:29-32 KJV
[29] And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is , Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: [30] And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. [31] And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. [32] And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
The truth for the last days is a matter of life and death. The bible teaches that it is not what we do that saves us. It is whom we know that saves us. John 17:3 KJV
[3] And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
John 3:16-18 KJV
[16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. [17] For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. [18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
God did not send himself. He sent his only begotten Son. Notice here how Jesus is speaking of himself in the third person. This is very important to understand later when he talks of the Holy Spirit in chapters fourteen, fifteen and sixteen.
I believe in God the Father. I believe in the Son of God who was begotten of the Father and thus the "firstborn" over all that the Father and Son made. I believe in the Holy Spirit of God which is the presence and power of God to overcome sin according to Psalm 51:11 KJV
[11] Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
If we still disagree, let us be kind and love one another and forgive one another as God forgave us for the sake of Christ Ephesians 4:32 KJV
[32] And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
then your in good company its beyond the speakers thinking as well