Sergio Oliva & Steroids - Interview with Ken Waller
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2024
- In this fourth video in the Ken Waller series, Ken talks about meeting and befriending Sergio Oliva, as well as his crazy eating habits, and how he trained. Ken also briefly talks about his Steroid usage ! Enjoy.
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Sergio "The Myth" Oliva is my all-time favorite bodybuilder. His classic double-python overhead pose is something that I have not seen any other bodybuilder attempt, as no one else had the combination of a tiny waist, huge, deep lat flare , massive biceps/triceps, enormous forearms and a small head. He was one of a kind. RIP. Another old-school favorite of mine was Serge Nubret.
Brandon Curry used to hit the Oliva victory pose, and so did Lee Priest. Both were decent at best. I can't imagine anyone ever surpassing Oliva at that pose. It's just incredible.
FACTS!
Mantis pose no?
To bad his biceps were flat as a pancake..put bertil fox biceps on seegio and that would be a sight
They weren't flat they were long and full. Nobody has ever had greater genetics that Sergio Oliva. And I doubt they ever will.
It's so refreshing listening to the golden era athletes they are so completely honest and talkative about their days they never seem to dodge questions or make sure they don't say anything to make another athlete get the shits, it's rare today for a current athlete to ever give an honest view or it turns into a TV soapie
Lol. TV soapie! So true. It's hard to really know if they are telling the complete truth, but I do give them the benefit of the doubt
5:10 - the pic of Sergio's front lat spread still beats everyone today!!
Dorian has him beat by a mile in the lat department
In 1976 I competed in the WBBG Teen Mr America. I had the opportunity to witness Serge Nubret pump up backstage. He pumped up with very light weights and was drinking red wine during that time.
I also saw Sergio compete from 1974 till 1977. He competed mainly in the WBBG at that time. He was always a week or two away from being in contest shape.
WBBG was Dan Lurie, right?
I saw him live from the 7th row at the 1981 Professional World Cup in the Grugahalle in Essen. What a great body. He clearly won the competition.
Thank you for sharing your story..would have been awesome to see
Yea he took out Bertil Fox in that show.
@@richbrake9910 Bertil Fox wasn't in that show. The Results: 1. Sergio Oliva, 2. Serge Nubret, 3. Robby Robinson, 4 Ahmet Enünlü, 5. Dave Johns, 6. Kalman Szkalak, 7.Tony Pearson, 8. Ian Lawrence, 9. Bill Richardson, 10. Salvador Ruiz, 11. Bill Hemsworth, 12. Wilfried Sylvester, 13. Helmut Riedmeier, 14. Henryk Szepanski, 15. Janusz Woch.
@@richbrake9910Bertil "I kill two women" Fox?
Sergio's front lat pose wearing blue trunks was taken at the 72 Mr. Olympia in Essen. A former member of my gym witnessed this contest and, being a reliable source of information, always told Sergio was BY FAR better but lost because Arnold's mentor, Albert Busek, who promoted the contest, needed Arnold to win to push his business in Germany. Plus: Arnold's father came over from Austria and should see his son win.
There are color photos of the 1972 Olympia Show and Sergio's trunks were actually red.
Stop. Arnold was massive that show. Because Arnold’s tan was off and photos are all in black and white it appears Arnold was off but he wasn’t. Think about it…Arnold was untouchable the years before and after 1972 but we’re supposed to believe he was so off in 1972 that he deserved to lose despite the few photos available clearly showing he’s dwarfing Sergio? FOH
His dad died and he heard on a phone call and he said there is nothing to be done he's dead. I think he was 18-22 somewhere in there not sure his dad ever made it to comp
Al Busek sport center in Munich. I worked out there during the summer of 1990 I think it was
No, Arnold was sharper and deserved the win. No conspiracy involved!!
Amazing content. The interview with Waller, narration and relevant photos make this wonderful. It’s so refreshing to see this type of attention being paid to in depth, old school bodybuilding. Much appreciated.
Glad you enjoyed it!
conclusion: fast food, chin ups, steroids, the magic reciepe that worked just for guys with overly amazing genetics.. the quality of the fast food must have been much better back then as it is today 😂..and maybe that is not even a joke😶
yes it was - way back before the cull started full force at the turn of the last century
That’s true. In McDonalds they used to use beef tallow to deep fry their fries, now it’s seed oils (industrial sludge)
McDonald’s at one time did use real hamburger
Also Sergio Oliva could have literally ate anything and built muscle!
Lol
Gawd, Sergio was so friggin MASSIVE…the MYTH! The freaky full muscle belly and the tie-ins. Now that is unreal genetics!
Unreal...more like inhuman...he was definitely real
if he has been around today with today's diets and medications, he would be unstoppable
not by todays standards he would look puny
@@Gojam12 uk ok right , he was a beast in terms of his proportions, very very few people have been able to hit the crucifix pose since, his lifting ability was also insane
He simply responded to steroids better and took more.
Arnold once said in an interview that Ken Waller would eat whatever and hardly ever train for 6 months of the year. Then eat a super strict diet like fish and water for weeks leading up to a show. He also talked about how Ken would do up and sell cars. So all rings true.
Yep, there you go
Yeah a whole chicken in one sitting.
Hello golden era bookworm , thankyou for all of your hard work and putting these videos together , contacting with all our bodybuulding heros . I am very grateful
I NEW SERGIO FOR OVER 30 YEARS REALLY MISS HIM HE WORKED WITH MY UNCLES IN THE CHICAGO POLICE
You've done a lot of Great Interview's. But this may be the best ( at least in the top 5) &
GOD Bless Mr. Waller. Truly a stand up gentleman
Yeah, I've enjoyed the Waller series too
Sergio old training partner years ago answered alot of questions about sergios gear use.. he said early in sergio career he used alot of deca and winstrol and dbol.. But as time went on he said they started to incorporate more test in the off season.. the doses were not mild by any means.. he did say sergio preferred deca and winstrol but test was added over the years..
Awesome! I am from Ken's hometown! Ken is the most famous person from Jeffersonville who hardly no one here knows of! Looking forward to your next episode! Thanks!
Anabolic Steroids are always going to be the secret and the definitive reason behind the ultimate success of becoming a professional bodybuilding superhero. While your body is on anabolic steroids your diet essentially become a non factor. The way your body is going to metabolize food and calories changes given your body is now in a genetically altered muscle building state meaning no matter what you consume it will all me metabolized and stored for continuous muscle development. Even if you consume fat the body now has the ability to keep burning it at an accelerated rate which will keep lean and muscular as long as the steroids are present.
So now the question becomes exactly what is a man to become who's dedicated to the gym in an attempt to become this huge behemoth he sees in magazines? Well I'll tell you that without the use of anabolic steroids then he's guaranteed to become this big huge strong round looking fat guy and it only took him 12 years to get the results versus 1 year on anabolic steroids.😳 THATS THE DIFFERENCE!!!!! There is no comparison between the two, I Promise You That because if it was then why would Arnold and Sergio even go down that path in the first place unless they knew for certain what they would be gaining from the drugs?🤷 Without the drugs do you believe Arnold Schwarzenegger would of been this huge movie star? Absolutely Not!!!!!
It's just important to understand that today's stars just like yesteryear's stars all have benefited from these drugs in some way. The list is too long to name them all. Michael Jordan, Lebron James, nearly the entire NFL, even boxing, the Olympics, and of course Major league baseball. These people would be less than ordinary without these drugs and the truth is anyone can become superhuman if they got access to anabolic steroids which means the only thing special about the people we idolize comes out of a bottle, syringe, or both and that's the absolute truth of it all.😳
Does anyone remember the Underground Steroid Handbook ? I met a powerlifter in 1982 who gave me the handbook and sold me Methyl Testosterone (sublingual tablets) The handbook was photocopied pages stapled together. The handbook covered everything from steroids to diet. The diet section recommended eating anything with meat in it, hamburgers,steaks ect…no mention of a low fat diet, but emphasized avoiding alcohol,soda, and cigarettes. That powerlifter/steroid dealer was questioned by the Feds after his supplier was caught at the US-Mexico border with his cars trunk loaded Steroids(a year before Steroids were regulated by the FDA in the late 1980’s-early 90’s)
Sergio once said he dont counted his dianabol. He took them by the handful, several times a day.
The blue pills for size, the black pills for cuts...
Sometimes not going with the conventional way is an answer in itself. On another note, this channel is the go too man and after so much content & knowledge, Bruno Sammaritino would be a much appreciated and great addition to this library. Humbly requested. 🙏
Accepted, it's on my pile right next to me..literally.
Glad you got to interviewing Ken! Ric drasin tried to get him on his show sad ric passed away
Ken Waller looked like a guy that you didn't want to get into a street fight with.
And ken always was ready to scrap someone!
I agree, there are stories
Sergio liked Pepperoni pizza's, is what I read.
And he never gave a tip to the deliverer.
Non tippers are not good people...somebody that fights traffic and risks life and limb to deliver me a hot pizza deserves a great tip..
@@richardlawson6787
I know of people with blood on their hands, human, who give hundreds of euro as a tip.
They are not good people.
I also know of people not giving tips or not much, who are quite good human beings.
But giving a tip to a pizza deliverer is always good.
Yes.
Very cool follow up to the series!
This proves two points yet again: Sergio was truly 100% one of a kind.
Training and diet approach unlike anything we have today.
And second point- How these legendary pioneers managed to craft iconic physiques that are still admired to this day, yet knew very little about nutrition intake and the science behind it.
Meanwhile today everyone the worldover are dissecting the details with grams, macros, measuring, carbcycling, LF/HC, IF, paleo, vegan crap and so on and so on..
That trips me out the most .
Like the lovely Corey Everson mentioned in an interview- 'We didn't measure anything, we just ate.'
😑
I just nod my head in disbelief
😅
So true, the simplicity lies in knowing yourself
Heh...extraordinary genetics combined with even minimal training effort and minimal attention to nutrition can often produce a physique most of us can never achieve with our average genetics even when we optimize our training and give detailed attention to our nutrition.
We "lesser gened beings" usually need to optimize both our training and nutrition just to achieve moderate gains; the genetic outliers can make gains using what for the rest of us would achieve next to nothing.
An anecdote concerning John Grimek when he was editing "Muscular Development" magazine in the 1980s illustrates that. While Grimek was answering a reader's letter about how to build mass, his co-workers chuckled, "Oh, c'mon John...of course that method works for you - - because, just doing a few push-ups in the corner, you can build more muscle easier and quicker than almost any other guy!"
Fantastic interview. Really enjoy this platform. Keep’m coming 👍
More to come!
so sad that the audio quality is overly bad, such an exciting content and i can`t barely understand anything without blowing my speakers and the steroid part is just clickbait again like the platz interview🤣 😑. however the content is still just amazing imo. cheers ✌✌
Steroids are discussed, so how is this clickbait?
@@GoldenEraBookworm are you serious? 🤣🤷
Ken sounds like a good guy and has great energy.
I didn't read the title and thought a granny would speak.
Excellent video interview with one of t The Golden Era greats. Keep producing great video lectures and content.
Will do
Thank you Sir!
Genetics like Sergio's are extremely rare ! Yes sir, that is why he is "THE MYTH" !
One of a kind in his case mold broken.
And all the fights he got into. Love the story when he beat up so called black belt, who felt bodybuilders could not fight
Genetics and PED's. When you have 24/7 protein synthesis and nearly zero cortisol in the body, you can get away with alot of stuff.
Ken is right, they didn't eat the best and the American steriod protocol was pretty simple. It was Dianabol, Deca and MAYBE HCG two or three weeks out from coming completely off.
I was in the gym and around those Old-School guys in the late 70s. Dave Dupree , friends of Ric Drasin(I went to the same gyms/same town)and guys that were at the end of their bodybuilding careers.
They had quite a few more drugs back then that you aren't mentioning.
@@primer50thank you. You're correct. They lied and downplayed their drug use. Always talked about diet, genetics, and hard training. That's part of it . But you can have the best in all 3 of these categories but no drugs, forget it. You're done
Yep 100 correct
Most young men can eat and drink anything they want and not get fat but that changes with age
@@ronjames6128joe weirder told all his posers to deny or downplay their drug usage because he needed the general populous to believe they could look like that also with just protein powder.
I had the pleasure of seeing Sergio several times and have one of his seminars from 99 which i filmed its over a hour long and priceless to me 'he talks about his steroid schedule'.
If you would like me to post it online, email me at goldenerabookworm@gmail.com
@GoldenEraBookworm please do!
@@GoldenEraBookwormwould be insane if that was uploaded
@ericmoore5408 Eric, please email me and I can upload it on my channel...I'll give you credit
ERICMOORE...could you carefully transcribe what Oliva said in that seminar about his AAS schedule to another post here, along with the date and location of that seminar?
I'm confident it's of great interest to many of us.
Thanks!
Great Great interview again! Roger Callard another great old school bodybuilder would be an interesting interview if you haven't already done that .
He agreed to an interview, coming later this year perhaps
Great interview.
Looking forward to the next part.
As Waller got older his voice went higher and higher. Now he sounds like an old geezer.
😂😂
We're all on the same treadmill of life. Hopefully, you and I will both be old geezers some day.
@@counterbalancelife4305 I'm old, but yet to be a geezer.
I noticed that also. His voice is higher than I recall in the early 80s but in part its his Kentucky " drawl" accent
I knew Sergio here in Chicago. He was a cop and I was a paramedic. I'd first met / seen him at the AAU Mr. A here in June of 1964. I'd run into him at MacDonald's eating TWO Big Breakfasts, saying to me, 'I [Sergio] gotta get BIG!' A correction to your time line: Sergio came to study Oliva here during the 69 Mr. A at DePaul U. I was there. BUT it did no good, since Oliva BEAT Arnie a few months later for his final Mr. O trophy !! Finally I competed in the sixties and pretty much everybody might take a few home made protein shakes with some powder and raw eggs, but NOTHING LIKE the cornucopia of glop that is available today... in other words we ate GROCERIES. Hope you are feeling better.
You still cant beat the muscle building power of boiled eggs...
It's all about genetics.
Sergio and Ronnie had the best genetics of all time, Nubret was incredible as well.
Could you do a video on silver era bodybuilder and Mr Hawaii Timmy Leong, would be interesting to see! Thanks.
Great suggestion!
That lat spread shot is crazy .
Nobody quite like the MYTH. Even Arnold said he was the man.
Anybody who takes 2x dbol a day will notice it working better than literally anything else theyve tried - especially when overtrained from being a lifetime natty. So it just doesn’t make sense that you wouldnt try 3x dbol a day, then 4, then 6, then 8.
OLD SCHOOL DIANOBOL BY..................CIBA !
@@michaelkraus4135 yup, the same ones Arnold took by the handful - but now says he only took 3 a day!
@@stevenspilly In 1974 at 20 yr's old BOB ZUVER who owned ZUVERS gym in Costa Mesa ca. hooked me up with a C.M dr. who gave me a prescription. On 3 pills a day I went from 185 to 210 in under 8 weeks. I believe it just pushed me to my SET WT. which I maintained for 25 yr's.
Unless, you’re fearful of the side effects
Back in those days, fast food was still food.
Yes, I've seen the MacDonalds film
Could you make videos demonstrating certain lost oldschool exercises from certain routines? I think it'd make a good series where you show these exercises you barely see people do anymore but are oldschool and effective.
I plan to from Bronze, Silver to Golden era...every single "unusual" exercise I find. Or if there was a type of way a certain lifter trained. Every routine too
Can't convey how much I enjoyed this. I was in high school when Waller was in his prime, and he was one of my favorite bodybuilders...more because he was rumored to be such a "character," than for his physique.
Never thought Arnold should have beaten Sergio....Arnold was Weider's marketing tool, so he had to be "protected."
Sergio was the GOAT of genetics...imagine him in today's world, training and eating correctly, with today's PEDS.
Imagine indeed..the myth becomes LEGEND
Joe Weider bought the judges. There were a lot of shenanigans they pulled to keep Sergio down, even disqualifying him from competing.
I feel most of the golden era physiques would be worse in the modern era, 70,s 80's is the peak I feel, modern chemistry has ruined the sport
@@jk-tn8rythe PEDS other than slin and Gh are the exact same
He's also the inspiration for the Baki character Biscuit Olivia aka "Mr. Unchained"
Oliva was a genetic freak. That torso, those arms. A physique like his comes around once every 100 years.
Correct
Won't happen ever again. Especially with the crap they take now. It expands waist. So that incredible taper of Sergios will never happen again.
I’ve trained for over 40 years… and I know the hypocrisy, amongst all bodybuilders, never saying a word about steroids. The only way they knew they were each other on steroids was because they had the same habit of of sharing their info on drugs, but it was never spoken about however, when I asked they were denied profusely. I worked at Golds Gym Venice and this was rampant all over the place never spoke about it. This is the 80s and 90s even until now lotta people hide from the server hop hypocrisy here is Unbelievable.
@gforce 👈😆
Does the 'g' stand for 'girl?'. Geez what a whiny wuss.
I used to belong to the Golds Gym in Venice and you were always there at the front desk (to the left as you walked in) and would always check me in. You were very serious about doing your job and one day you told me to 'have a nice work out." I will always remember that and thank you. 😊
I used to belong to the Golds Gym in Venice and you were always there at the front desk (to the left as you walked in) and would always check me in. You were very serious about doing your job and one day you told me to 'have a nice work out." I will always remember that and thank you. 😊
I used to belong to the Golds Gym in Venice and you were always there at the front desk (to the left as you walked in) and would always check me in. You were very serious about doing your job and one day you told me to 'have a nice work out." I will always remember that and thank you. 😊
I used to belong to the Golds Gym in Venice and you were always there at the front desk (to the left as you walked in) and would always check me in. You were very serious about doing your job and one day you told me to 'have a nice work out." I will always remember that and thank you. 😊
What a great interview... truly giving us the real stuff from Golden Era legends
Forgot to mention he said his older brother who was on the same weightlifting team made him look small and was the real genetic freak OMG.
That is true
Sergio was on around 100mg a day of dbol and a shot of deca a week, there are interviews regarding this that were online at one point but seem to have been since deleted.
I had the opportunity to watch Sergio Oliva's training sessions at Duncan YMCA several times from 1970 to 1972. I wouldn't doubt what Ken Waller says about the Mickey D's or the chin up. There have only been a few bodybuilders who came close to being as genetically gifted as Sergio Oliva. It's not just the shape of his frame, it's how strong he was and how his body could process the food he was eating. It's not that he only ate junk foods. He ate large amounts of food prepared Cuban style. Plenty of chicken black beans and rice. Lots of Arroz con Pollo. Sergio was very intelligent about what worked for him. Personally, I think that his greatest overall muscular shape was for the 1972 Olympia in Essen Germany. I won't go into the politics of the time. Sergio wasn't a bodybuilder who took a large assortment of steroids. The basic dianabol in the 70's. He might have taken deca, but I know for a fact from witnessing him take the dianabol and telling it was prescribed by a doctor. Thanks for the video.
Interesting. Terry Strand said the same thing. I'll be eventually releasing my series on Sergio and Bob Gajda
Respect for the great Ken Waller !
Thanks for actually creating content and not doing reaction videos stealing other peoooes content and just giving your opinion reacting to what someone else does cause you can create any actual content like all these other channels do. 95% of TH-camrs now do not make any actual content they just repost clips like they are the news talking about what someone else is doing
There was a kid who saw Sergio for the first time and said, dad who's the guy with 4 legs.
I believe that most bodybuilders back then ate a high protein lower carb diet. They had cheat days once a week where they just ate anything and everything. It's all of the different and new steroids and drugs that the lifters took that gave them the physiques that they had.
He's so balanced and ripped . Had that dry look even during off season bulk
Bookworm:”How much do you know about Serge’s PED use?”
Ken:”Not much at all.”
-End of interview-
🤷🏻♂️
clickbait, the steroid part is not even 10 seconds long, reminds me of the interview with tom platz 😂😂
Just two D-bol.😂
No, it's 2 dbol long...learn to count
@@GoldenEraBookworm just ridiculous and disappointing, sorry
wonder what happened with ol tom and carlos...hmmmmm🤔😉
Dang it we wanted all the juicy steroid details..guess we can see what he ate though...although if me eat like that without lots of muscle building drugs it may just turn to fat.
Sergio, along with Dorian had ungodly genetics, though in the case with Dorian, he also had an amazing affinity for the drugs. Maybe Sergio did as well, but the dosages were minuscule in comparison.
Dude sergio ate steroids like gummy bears do not be naive
@@richardlawson6787 Whatever you say. I'm sure you're right. He'd probably be scrawny without them.
@@NelsonMontana1234 maybe not scrawny but not massive like he got on steroids..most those guys come off and look like normal people..sergio stayed pretty muscular when he came off
@@richardlawson6787 So what makes you think he took a lot of gear? You just contradicted yourself.
@@NelsonMontana1234 sergio probably with his genetics could have had 18 inch arms but steroids pushed them to 23 inches..theres your difference so no contradiction
Back then it was so simple. I still fallow there example and I am still growing at 54
Finally a rational lucid commentary on Sergio. ❤
Amazing interview
Speaking as someone who was assumed to have had a fast metabolism, I find it amazing how people see one fit person eating junk once or twice and assume they eat junk unrestrained all the time and stay trim.
Or how people fail to consider if said lifter eats a whole junk meal everyday or even all day everyday, and question if the particular lifter goes over their daily caloric intake.
Not saying all calories are of the same quality, that body composition might be negatively impacted somewhat, or that blood markers wouldn't be affected by junk food, but maintaining weight is about kcal, not whether a meal is junk or clean.
As for Olivia's mess of a warm-up on pullups, you have to consider he must have trained up to that, so by the point Arnold trained with him bodyweight pullups were a low percentage of his 1RM, which is why it would have been a warm-up and why he could and had to do so many.
As for pullups being his pump work before a show, on the chance of repeating myself ... that's exactly it, pump work, not strength work, therefore prerequisiting it be light, facilitating a long session because, as mentioned, he'd worked up to that.
It's not so disorganized, or incomprehensible as most make it out to be.
Hmm .lets say sergio weighed around 220 pounds performing those pullups..thats 220 pounds he has to pull over the bar .thats not a fly weight at all and the reason most people cant do chinups...
Very special what your doing here. ⭐
Ken "Two Dianabol" Waller. 😂 No Test, no Deca. No Winstrol. Just imagine if he had injected some oil. He would have destroyed Arnold and Sergio.
Ken didn't display a "Two Dianabol" only physique.
Excellent as always sir
My great grandfather did bodybuilding n experimented with steroids too im from india btw. 🇮🇳 he passed away at the age of 98 sadly. Its always great to listen to them talking about bodybuilding diet n steroids like anything old school. Btw he mentioned steroids that we r not familiar with maybe the name was differnt back then. Tbh the doses he took was nothing n they strictly did 2 compounds only. N as a base they would stay on test year round. The golden rule of thumb is you go off to the time you wer on. Itseems.
These guys lie so much haha, sergio took 5 dbol 3 times a day minimum which he would ramp up going into a show. He'd also use deca and winstrol tabs, the winstrol later destroyed his joints. He later replaced the dbol with test enanthate
He used so much winstrol that it destroyed his joints, yet in the contests he was never in shape. Was it water retention or just fat? Maybe his genetics didn't go well with winstrol but you seem knowledgable on the subject. I would appreciate any input.
@@eustacebagge3869 well the dbol made him retain water for sure. If you look at pics from his first olympia you could see he was a little harder and more separated. From that point on it looks like he really stepped up the dbol dosage causing water retention. I actually think the water retention helped sergio it made him fuller which looked impressive on his frame.
@@chrissuponcic5181 Yeah but the winstrol should balance it out no? He used enough to dry out his joints, but not his muscles? Weird stuff man...
@@eustacebagge3869 I had the same thing happen to me once I cut injectables 10 days out and used oral winstrol. I cut water 24 hours out and I was fine on stage but that night when I tried to sleep my joints hurt worse than at any point in my life. As long as your still drinking the joints stay fine but when you cut water then your at risk. One of the key components to drying out is cutting androgens and keeping your estrogen low. Arnold used primo into contests which doesn't make you retain any water which contributed to him being dryer, more separated and defined
Sounds like he did a lot of orals. Maybe thats why his kidneys failed. Where did you hear he took so many orals?
Old-School physiques are the most aesthetic. No comparison with today's mass monsters. I always say to young guys that one of the best things you can do as a lifter interested in aesthetics and performance is to study Old-School bodybuilding. Old-School bodybuilders were ingenious physique architects. They had a profound knowledge of the principles of proper nutrition, smart supplementation, exercise science and muscle adaptability. If you combine Old-School bodybuilding wisdom with modern, evidence-based science, it's the best, safest, most effective way in achieving a strong, sexy, healthy and aesthetic physique. Vintage Physique by George Kelly is a nice read on the topic.
Absolutely
Never realized how much Larry Wheels looks like Sergio until i saw this picture and thought it was Larry at first.
True, but only because your mentioning it
@@GoldenEraBookworm
Looks like mostly in face. I think Sergio’s body is much more muscular. Sergio was around 5’9 to 5’10. I think Larry is 3 or 4 inches taller than that.
Great Fing vid, man. In the mags and Pumping Iron movie Ken use to intimidate me with those eyes of his😂😂😂. He seemed like a mean MOFO, you don't mess with. But when he spoke and, his camaraderie with other bodybuilders (black or white; well except Mike Katz 😂) it differered from his facial expressions. Love this podcast, Off The Hook.
I meet Ken Waller in Brisbane in 1975. He'd come to Oz with Arnold for a posing tour. They were both slated to guest pose at the Mr Queensland, but for some contractual reason, Ken didn't pose. A pity to come all this way and not do the job he was hired to do. We were both in the Gents toilets, washing our hands at the wash basins together. He was shorter than me . . . and I would've only been 5' 7-1/2' then . . before I shrunk with age to slightly below 5' 7" that I stand today . . . and certainly no more massively built than I was. But that was the thing . . the photographers captured the images just right to give the illusion of the guys being taller than they actually were. I got Arnold's and Ken's autographs, and while Arnold scrawled his in an unpleasantly arrogant way, Ken took his time signing his and wrote very neatly, and using a small-ish script in doing so. All of which pretty much summed up their characters. Arnold, full of braggadocio . . and Ken, quite humble.
I always guessed Ken at about 5'9" He looked about an inch less than Arnold who was never 6'2", more likely 5' 10"-5' 11" at best. I have a 6' 0" friend who met Arnold in 76 and said Arnold was definitely shorter than my friend. I stood directly behind Arnold in 2013 at the Arnold Classic. He backed up into me as he talked. I'm 5'10" and he was maybe my height, possibly less and Arnold typically where's lifts. Weider lied about the heights and weights because most of the golden era guys were actually not very tall at all. I was shocked when I met them in person around 2007. I remember seeing old pics of Arnold, Bill Grant, Mike Katz in the gym. I assumed since they said Arnold was 6'2", then Bill must be 5'11" or more. He's actually maybe 5"7-5"8" and looks quite small in street clothes even though he's well muscled for his size. Ed Corney was pretty short along with Padilla, of course. Steve Michalik was about 5'9" when I met him. With all the short BB's of the Golden Era, a 5'10" dude looked tall. I realize that people can lose height with age, but not 3-4" by your 60's. Bodybuilding has always been about illusion, smoke, and mirrors.
@@counterbalancelife4305 I had a friend who worked security at the WWE Wrestling when it came to Brisbane where we both lived then. The Killer Bees were on the bill that night and he told me they were only around 5' 6" tall, and woulda been lucky to have weighed 180 pounds in a wringing wet overcoat! Andre the Giant was legitimately seven feet tall, but was so out of shape by that stage in his life, 1986, that my friend thought he might need to help him up the ramp to the ring! Like you said . . smoke and mirrors.
Just on the subject of wrestling. In 1978 I worked at Ford Motor Company in Brisbane on the assembly line. Apart from one really big fat guy who looked remarkably like Vasily Alexeev, I was the 2nd biggest guy in the whole factory at 5' 7" and a bit tall and weighing 105kg, or 230 pounds, and very solid, like the off season bodybuilder that I was in fact. A guy who I didn't really know hardly at all grabbed me one day and urged me to go up to the Channel Nine studios on Friday night to sort out Bad Bob. Like me, Bad Bob had a ponytail and a Grizzly Addams beard, but he didn't quite have my heavy set human tank build. This guy at work totally believed that the wrestling was all totally legit, obviously. That having been said, in those days in Brisbane, much of it WAS legit! I tried to tell Peter that I couldn't just rock up and challenge Bad Bob . . that not just anyone would be allowed in the ring against a professional wrestler who obvious knew the ropes, when someone NOT a professional wrestler would NOT know the ropes. But Peter was adamant that he thought I could prevail. So I told him to make inquiries as to whether he could bring someone along the following week to give Big Bob his comeuppance. I never heard from him about the matter again. 15 years later and who should be attending the Church that I took my family to when we moved? Peter. Who else? One Sunday after morning church some young kids were playing up and Peter threatened to sic me onto them. I took him aside and said quietly to him: Peter, please don't use me to frighten children. I was trying all the time to live down my fearsome appearance as it was.
I saw Ken Waller at Gold's Gym Venice in January 1981. I'm 5'10, and Waller was definitely taller than me, and I estimated him to be about 6 feet.
Why do you incessantly check your height?.a half inch isn't even noticeable
@@counterbalancelife4305no.. Franco was around 5 foot four..when arnold stands next to Franco he towers over Franco..i believe arnold was actually six foot one and a half and rounded it to six foot two
If you have high end genetics you can do anything you want and you will grow. Genetics are the key in bodybuilding and trumps everything else. All the top cyclists have a very high VO2 max that separates them from the rest regardless of training.
Back in the day they took deca test. Anavar dianabol premabolin
To be honest, even though I do know about nutrition by now, I still do it from guesswork, estimates and instinct. I can't be bothered with all that weighing things and formulas. The only thing I pay attention to now, being a bit older, is not eating stuff you can get away with as a youth. My uncle, who ran the first gym in our town from the mid-50s, also put his food away without too much concern. Didn't eat sugary stuff, but ate until he was satisfied with a cycle of the same basic sorts of foods.
I think the shock contemporary bodybuilders have about apparently paradoxical Sergio's diet is a bit overblown. Firstly, as Sergio said: "Between contests I eat anything! You name it! Rice, beans, chocolate shakes, Coca Cola. Why not? I don't care! But I balance the meals. Like last night I had a pizza so tonight I'll have a steak and salad. "That's the trick! I don't eat junk every day!"
Secondly, bodybuilders at the time seemed to have had very low carb diets (e.g., see the Ric Drasin stuff) so the contrast may have made things seem more extreme than they were. People like Lee Haney and Ronnie Coleman (off season) appear to have followed diets that seem to me to have extremely high levels of carbs.
Finally, higher carbs would have fueled his high-energy workouts. A lot of non-stop sets, usually in combination or supersets, performed in fast, explosive manner, followed by dancing all night or working full-time as a police officer... compare that to how someone like Frank Zane trained and you can see why Sergio shrank and felt weak when he followed the Zane-style diet.
Zane's calm energy doesn't match Sergio's eccentric nature. I definitely think dieting is a very individual thing. I appreciate your input.
I thought it was there too but I can't find the quote in Arnold's Education of a Bodybuilder (but it is in his Total Recall and has mentioned in a number clips he did about 10 sets of bench presses in superset with chins at the beginning of workouts when Arnold visited him). It seems at other times he didn't do as many sets of chins, so it may have depended on what he was emphasizing at the time. E.g., in his book, "The Myth", he recommends beginning every workout with 3 sets of sit-ups (combined with broom twists) and then 3 sets of seated calves superset with standing calves. Franco also said he snuck into the gym and did soemthing like 20 sets of chin ups in the lead up to competition, and he also visited Sergio to train with him around the same time. I wonder if that's where he got the idea.
The cover looks particularly like Larry wheel......
Esa era la Epoca de la MASA MUSCULAR PERFECTA SIMETRICAMENTE, MENTALMENTE TAMBIEN ERAN LOS MEJORES CULTURISTAS DE SU TIEMPO Y AUN DE TODOS , PORQUE SUS ESTETICA ERA SOÑADA: Y SERGIO OLIVA PARA MI TUVO EL MEJOR FISICO MUSCULAR QUE HE VISTO UNOS BICEPS, IMPRESIONANTES, UNOS BRAZOS ENORMES COMO NADIE EN SU TIEMPO INCLUS8VE DESPUES, SUS BICEPS ERAN ESTETICAMENTE BELLOS, PERO UNA MASA MUSCULAR DIFERENTE A TODOS CON UN MUSCULO ROBUSTO Y LARGO, COSA RARA PERO UNICA, LA MAYORIS DESARRILLAN LA PUNTA EN LOS BICEPS, EN CAMBIO OMIVA ERA FUERA DE SERIE, SUS MUSCULOS ERAN TOTALMENTE OTRA COSA, JAMAS VISTA HASTA AHORA NO EXISTE NI UN CULTURISTA QUE DESARROLLEN ESOS BICEPS, INCREHIBLES Y GENIAKES QUE SOLO EL REY OLIVA LOS TENIAN, LOS QUE VINIERON DESPUES YA SON MAS ARTIFICIALES, POR ESO ME QUE CON LOS CULTURISTAS DE LOS 60, 70, 80 Y PARTE DE LOS 90, ESOS ERAN PERFECTOS, ESVELTOS Y UNICOS✌👌
Legends great show
Thanks for this great content. I was aware of the legendary stories about the pizzas and soda diet. One thing to note: he was never quite as lean as Zane, Franco, Nubret or even Arnold (he never had the lean face of the others in contest shape). I think he gave an illusion of being leaner than he was due to his cartoonish proportions and great vascularity. Truly a genetic freak.
True to a certain degree
As a 67-year-old who's been bodybuilding since starting at age 15 in 1971...
I've always thought that Oliva, with his superior aesthetic proportions, would have indisputably defeated Schwarzenegger in the controversial 1972 Mr Olympia if Oliva had given even moderate attention to his diet so had competed with better definition.
Oliva's only real genetic weakness at that contest was his biceps (ironically due to his bicep bellies being so long that even fully contracted they had too much mass to form an impressive peak), but his overall aesthetics and proportions -- - - his wide-shouldered V taper, his hourglass legs with diamond-shaped calves, his long triceps, his long lats, his back, his narrow-hipped waist - - equalled or excelled Schwarzenegger's.
My opinion to this day is that (besides the fact that Joe Weider, who wasn't racially disparaging but was definitely sensitive and responsive to what affected his business profits, once admitted that a white champion on his magazine covers sold more copies than did a non-white champion), Arnold defeated Sergio only because Arnold competed in that 1972 rematch with significantly better definition.
Consequently, I've always been disappointed that no one has ever seen Oliva with the mass and aesthetics he carried at that 1972 Olympia but in a much-more-ripped condition; THAT, would have been and remain a near-supernatural sight!
Boyer Coe, a late-70s/early 80s Olympia competitor, said during an interview later in life that if he could have had any set of physique genetics he wanted, he'd chosen Oliva's.
@@joesantus1663 The problem was that Oliva was too lazy to stay with Arthur Jones training, spotters and dieting; he later admitted he made a mistake there. Only by having more discipline through the influence of others could he have had a chance in 73 and 74, when Schwarzenegger was clearly motivated and expecting him to show.
@@hardcorehouse
Agreed.
As much as I consider Oliva's aesthetics better than Schwarzenegger's and consider Oliva's physique the best of the early 70s, I disliked Oliva's personality as much as I disliked Schwarzenegger's personality. I see Oliva to have been someone whose arrogance, ego, and refusals to strategically cooperate inevitably prevented him from achieving his physique potential; I suspect Oliva had developed the attitude that he could simply "do just enough to get by" due to his extraordinary genetics, then show up and win a contest.
He Didn't Wanna Be Vascular Hence Why He Stopped Using Winstrol. But Back Then The Real Classic Look Wasnt As Vascular They Were Toned Up With A Bit Of Bulk But Proportionly Asthetic.
Ahh Ken ..legend at Golds also.
HGH in the golden era was nearly impossible for even elite pro bodybuilders to get. there was only one way to get it; from human cadavers. and you needed to know a doctor. cuba was a rough place back in sergio's day. a lot of people were dying there. sergio was on the cuban weightlifting team, who had access to knowledgeable sports doctors. in education of a bodybuilder arnold talks about being friends with a doctor, Dr. Kurt Marnul, a well-known Austrian bodybuilder and coach of Athletic Union Graz, the gym where Arnold began his serious bodybuilding training. this was just before arnold's big growth spirt. just say'n
Nice!
I knew I always liked you for good reason Kenny 😎😎😎👍👍👍💪💪💪❤❤❤
Sergio oliva was perfection already. I dont know what modern bodybuilders aré looking for now?
Truth
What would they have looked like with out Anabolic Steroids
5:21 "Larry Wheels"
There’s my friend - hey Ken!
The fast food back then were soo much more safer than today.
Sergio was a GENETIC-FREAK ! 💪👈
How did you not ask Ken, di he really steal that tshirt Mike Cat's Tshirt on Pumping Iron?
Sometimes you wonder how good Sergio Olivia would have been in today's world with all the drugs and Albert beckles that guy was a monster.
Sergio's favorite meal: Pizza and Coca-Cola. Source: Dr. Ellington Darden.
How about Kentucky Fried Chicken?
He had super genetics
1 of a kind The Myth
The GOAT of genetics. Over trained..terrible nutritional habits...
Imagine what could have been with proper training and diet...and today's PEDs.
Terrible what Weider did to him!
I'm interested in clean lifters...
It proves my point and repeating it over and over again; 'the biggest secret in bodybuilding is that there is no secret' 67 now and in the game now for 46 years, trained with world champions in Bodybuilding as well as powerlifting. Cees de Vreugd (we are Dutch) was the first one to have a 1000 total. 3x 5 on the squat. 3×3 2 months before the contest, give or take a week. One set of 2 reps with his starting weight 5 or six days before the contest. Deadlift 0nce every 10 days. How simple can it be. I am talking early eighties when I trained with him. Do not look for something that does not exist. More often, these 'gurus' create a concept and sell it to the ignorant. Confused? Growing pains on the road to maturity. 😀
Sergio sounds exactly like my grand aunt 😅
It's only logical he grew from eating all those calories and protein. Everybody would. ( not like him , of course ) How he stayed lean is the real wow factor.