Don't understand why everyone always rotate the wheels, watch the pushrods etc to find top dead center, base circle.... then sticking fingers into tappets. Just remove the cam cover and use the timing marks on the chain sprockets for exact top dead center. Easy peasy
I had hopes of tackling this myself all the way up to the point where you removed the spark plugs. It was at that moment that my confidence was shattered and decided to call the dealer.
Just hoping the tech at the Harley I just dropped my bike off at knows as much as you. I went with woods wm8 22xe on Low Rider S. The Harley where i did my 1,000 mile service at.. they filled it to the hot fill line while cold. Hoping Panama City Harley has more sense.
Awesome video.. great motivation… quick question.. is oil supposed to come out from the crank pinion area, while turning the rear wheel?… everything is back together.. just checking one last time with chest open.. thanks
About to do this on my 21 FLHRXS only gonna do the Woods 22xe cam…. Looking forward to it, should sound good with the no cat and unbaffled bam sticks, got to put the t bars on this weekend, waiting for the damn riser cover to come in from HD
Nice Vid bro!. I recently picked up a 2018 softail FXLR. I came across the oil pump sump issue. I was thinking of getting the stock the oil pump to the HD revised one. At the same time, upgrade the cam to the S&S 475. Every detailed vid I've found on here until now shows everyone swapping out the stock pump and changing the cam plate. I was wondering how come you didn't swap out the pump or change the cam plate? Makes me curious if I need to spend the money on an aftermarket cam plate or would stock be just fine?
It’s all about the money and what you want to spend! It’s critical to know the run out before you run one of the billet plates and pumps. So the sumping issues were a big deal on the 2018 models because it was a pretty new platform and Harley uses its consumers and test dummies lol. But the sumping didn’t affect the 107ci bikes as much as it did the bigger inch motors. So if it’s gone this long without an issue, it’s probably not going to become an issue. The aftermarket pump will move oil a lot more efficiently, and you’ll eliminate any question of concern, but it isn’t necessarily a cheap part to change, especially if you’re not having a problem.
Quick question only because I didn’t see anything showing it but during the cam install portion, how did you align the cam itself or did you just put it in there and then adjust?
Did this to my 2022 fxlrs. Works your video helped a lot. Just one question if you could help i get code PO330 i erase it keeps coming back and i already changed knocj sensors. Pretty new bike 6k miles only owner. Any help would be amazing
A power vision and a base map will get you close to where you need to be. That’s what I have done on my Dyna right now, but I’m also willing to rebuild it if I have problems lol. The best thing you can do on any build is get it dyno tuned.
@@TheVeroneeLife there’s no dumb questions here brotha! Overall, a dyno tuner will be adjusting your air:fuel ratio. The better they get that ratio for your bike, the more power you make or the better fuel economy you get. As they tune though, they are monitoring all kinds of parameters to match what the air:fuel is changing. Head temps, exhaust temps, engine temps, exhaust gases, fuel timing, etc.
From your experience, is it ok to use the stock pushrod covers(the chrome ones) that used to be on the stage 1, on the stage 2? Thanks in advance, loved the video
Yeah you can reuse the stock covers, but the aftermarket ones are a shorter and the collar locks are longer. It gives you more room to adjust the pushrods
Hey i see your re using stock pushrods cover,Did you have a hard time getting the upper push rod tube to seat in the o ring in the rocker?I was fighting with that for a while not much to grab onto
Yeah man, if you are willing to ship it or ride it to Omaha and back I can get it done 🤘🏻 If you’re serious about it shoot me an email at b.gilstrap@yahoo.com
Hey man, thinkin about doing this cam on my 19 street glide special. Are there any issues with stock oil pump ? Is the s&s necessary? Also, what tuner do you recommend?
If you read the comments on this video, you’ll see that people freak out with me not changing the oil pump. The sumping isn’t an issue like it was when the m8 came out 6 years ago. It’s a good upgrade to do the aftermarket pump and plate, but it’s also more important to know your crank runout before you stick them In there. In a lot of cases, I’d be fine with running the stock parts. For tuners, I’ve found the best results getting it Dyno tunes and flashes straight to the ECM without installing a tuner, but I’m also a big fan of the power visions and power commanders
I’m about to do a cam in my 2020, I was curious if you re used the stock pushrod tubes. I’m doing s&s adjustable pushrods and had planned on keeping the chrome so figured I didn’t need them but was not sure if it would work with the stock tubes or not
A 2018 M8 and the owner didn’t opt for an oil pump?! I hope he’s had one done under warranty… maybe that’s why there was a bolt partially stripped there?
@@GilstrapGarage Ok' is that it? The reason why I'm asking, is because' I don't know much about the tuner's or other things, that has to do with them. I'm trying to find out what I need to actually do, and' or' buy, once I put in a S&S cam plate and oil pump, because I want to put in a bigger cam, but' one that's for the low/ mid range torque area, and' need to know also' what would be a good cam, for still using the stock springs.
Hello. this is a question. I have a 22year road glide special 114ci. Install the s&s 475c cam. Do I have to upgrade the intake air? Can I use it as a stock?
I have an m8 and I'm not loving the sound even with pipes. I've been researching the sound impact of a torque cam. Some say it is noticeable but others say no. I just heard a guy's m8 with HD torque cams and it sounds like stock. For $2,500.00 I think I'll pass.
Why don't you start off by draining the oil as soon as you pull that oil pump out there's gonna be oil everywhere and you gotta change oil anyway before you put the new cams in
I don't have a motorcycle, or even know much about them really, but I enjoy watching you work on them.
🙌🏻🙌🏻 that’s awesome, man. Thank you!
Don't understand why everyone always rotate the wheels, watch the pushrods etc to find top dead center, base circle.... then sticking fingers into tappets. Just remove the cam cover and use the timing marks on the chain sprockets for exact top dead center. Easy peasy
Yeeeees , I never see this on video’s. So much easier
I had hopes of tackling this myself all the way up to the point where you removed the spark plugs. It was at that moment that my confidence was shattered and decided to call the dealer.
You won’t be disappointed with the results! 😃
The plugs… that’s what made you stop? You only need to remove 2 of the 4.. weird thing to throw in the towel over
That’s dope you got your daughter around so she can Learn 👍
Nice work on the videos as always - getting this s&s 475 kit installed soon
I see that el Diablo in your pic! Did you sell the dyna and pick that up?
Yes I sold the dyna, didn’t think I would - but I was able to get a hold of El Diablo at HD Victorvile - called all over So Cal
@@ericruano11 that’s awesome man! Wish I was there to see that thing in person
Just hoping the tech at the Harley I just dropped my bike off at knows as much as you. I went with woods wm8 22xe on Low Rider S. The Harley where i did my 1,000 mile service at.. they filled it to the hot fill line while cold. Hoping Panama City Harley has more sense.
Awesome video.. great motivation… quick question.. is oil supposed to come out from the crank pinion area, while turning the rear wheel?… everything is back together.. just checking one last time with chest open.. thanks
About to do this on my 21 FLHRXS only gonna do the Woods 22xe cam…. Looking forward to it, should sound good with the no cat and unbaffled bam sticks, got to put the t bars on this weekend, waiting for the damn riser cover to come in from HD
Right on! sounds like its going to be put together well
How were you able to get such a low run out? Those motors come from the factory at like 12-15 run out, amazing
this one was a lucky pick lol. they are so inconsistent, its insane!
@@GilstrapGarage no oil pump or anything??
I just bought fuel moto push rods for my m8 and the specs says there 24 threads per inch to adjust them 2.39 turns or 15 flats
Good video Brandon, thank you!
Thanks for watching 🙌🏻
Nice Vid bro!. I recently picked up a 2018 softail FXLR. I came across the oil pump sump issue. I was thinking of getting the stock the oil pump to the HD revised one. At the same time, upgrade the cam to the S&S 475. Every detailed vid I've found on here until now shows everyone swapping out the stock pump and changing the cam plate. I was wondering how come you didn't swap out the pump or change the cam plate? Makes me curious if I need to spend the money on an aftermarket cam plate or would stock be just fine?
It’s all about the money and what you want to spend! It’s critical to know the run out before you run one of the billet plates and pumps. So the sumping issues were a big deal on the 2018 models because it was a pretty new platform and Harley uses its consumers and test dummies lol. But the sumping didn’t affect the 107ci bikes as much as it did the bigger inch motors. So if it’s gone this long without an issue, it’s probably not going to become an issue. The aftermarket pump will move oil a lot more efficiently, and you’ll eliminate any question of concern, but it isn’t necessarily a cheap part to change, especially if you’re not having a problem.
Quick question only because I didn’t see anything showing it but during the cam install portion, how did you align the cam itself or did you just put it in there and then adjust?
That's a good question? Because it looked like the two were not aligned up!!
Fuel Moto pushrods are the best. I won't use anything else.
Looks like those lifter cuff bolts came out ok. I’ve heard horror stories about those snapping off in the case.
I haven’t had one great yet, but they definitely make me nervous 😬
Did this to my 2022 fxlrs. Works your video helped a lot. Just one question if you could help i get code PO330 i erase it keeps coming back and i already changed knocj sensors. Pretty new bike 6k miles only owner. Any help would be amazing
If you replaced the sensors with the same code, then I’d start tracing the wires and see if you have a short somewhere
Damn stock 18 oil pump... I would've definitely changed that just to be safe!
yeah, I would have liked too, but I think for his riding style, and the life that was already on the motor, its going to be okay this time
awesome video ,i'll be getting the same kit for my 2020 Softail Standard already did the S/S oil pump upgrade 👍
It’s an awesome cam for the m8!
😣…. re-use stock camplate & oil pump? gotta be a budget decision…
Enjoy the upgrade videos, like your narration 🤙🏻
That’s exactly what it is. But it’ll do alright for what he’s putting down. Thanks!
Hey man that’s a funny lookin crane 😂
🤣🤣 full length videos are for Harley’s. TH-cam shorts are for cranes and trucks lol
Great video!
Thank you!
Beautiful
🙌🏻🙌🏻
Hi there…. Do you bump the starter to prime the oil pump? Or the Assy lube is sufficient?
Do you recommend upgrading the crank sprocket
Or keep the stock on?
Good video thanks for the content
The sprocket to run the cam assembly or the compensator in the primary?
@@GilstrapGarage to run the cam
I'm installing 475 kit this weekend but debating on grabbing that sprocket
Great video bud! Question, I’ve heard that you can do this upgrade and just toss a powervision on it and you don’t need to tune it. That true?
A power vision and a base map will get you close to where you need to be. That’s what I have done on my Dyna right now, but I’m also willing to rebuild it if I have problems lol. The best thing you can do on any build is get it dyno tuned.
@@GilstrapGarage I don’t mean to sound dumb, but what does the dyno do? I know it can tell you what hp you are getting.
@@TheVeroneeLife there’s no dumb questions here brotha! Overall, a dyno tuner will be adjusting your air:fuel ratio. The better they get that ratio for your bike, the more power you make or the better fuel economy you get. As they tune though, they are monitoring all kinds of parameters to match what the air:fuel is changing. Head temps, exhaust temps, engine temps, exhaust gases, fuel timing, etc.
From your experience, is it ok to use the stock pushrod covers(the chrome ones) that used to be on the stage 1, on the stage 2? Thanks in advance, loved the video
Yeah you can reuse the stock covers, but the aftermarket ones are a shorter and the collar locks are longer. It gives you more room to adjust the pushrods
Thanks for the advice brother, ride safe@@GilstrapGarage
Hey i see your re using stock pushrods cover,Did you have a hard time getting the upper push rod tube to seat in the o ring in the rocker?I was fighting with that for a while not much to grab onto
when they hang up like that on my, i normally get a screwdriver or something like that to press on the top lip of the cover to pop it in
Red or Blue loctite for cam bolts??
sumping a little bit but no oil pump upgrade
How much would this cost if I had a mechanic do it for me
Parts and labor if you’re doing everything, I’d imagine $2,000+
nice. can you install a new cam in my 2023 fatboy? im in jersey
Yeah man, if you are willing to ship it or ride it to Omaha and back I can get it done 🤘🏻 If you’re serious about it shoot me an email at b.gilstrap@yahoo.com
Nice video, one would thing if it was sumping like it was with that oil pump, at least invest in the upgraded pump like in the 114.
Hey man, thinkin about doing this cam on my 19 street glide special. Are there any issues with stock oil pump ? Is the s&s necessary? Also, what tuner do you recommend?
If you read the comments on this video, you’ll see that people freak out with me not changing the oil pump. The sumping isn’t an issue like it was when the m8 came out 6 years ago. It’s a good upgrade to do the aftermarket pump and plate, but it’s also more important to know your crank runout before you stick them In there. In a lot of cases, I’d be fine with running the stock parts. For tuners, I’ve found the best results getting it Dyno tunes and flashes straight to the ECM without installing a tuner, but I’m also a big fan of the power visions and power commanders
@@GilstrapGarage thanks for the reply my man! I'll likely stick to the stock oil pump and go with power vision. Keep up the vids!
I’m about to do a cam in my 2020, I was curious if you re used the stock pushrod tubes. I’m doing s&s adjustable pushrods and had planned on keeping the chrome so figured I didn’t need them but was not sure if it would work with the stock tubes or not
If you’re using the quickie pushrods, you won’t be able to use the stock covers
If you order through Fuelmoto and use their EZ Quick Install Pushrods the stock tubes will work
@@nakkiaclaburn6392 I ended up using all S&S and got there tubes and quickie push rods
So with S&S quickie rods I'll need new tubes and covers? Great video man, thanks@@GilstrapGarage
A 2018 M8 and the owner didn’t opt for an oil pump?!
I hope he’s had one done under warranty… maybe that’s why there was a bolt partially stripped there?
It’s hard to say. He bought the bike used. But typically, sumping issues weren’t common on the 107s as much as they were on the bigger inch motors.
Now' what tuner did you use, or' he used to dyno it in?
I believe he dyno tuned it
@@GilstrapGarage Ok' is that it? The reason why I'm asking, is because' I don't know much about the tuner's or other things, that has to do with them. I'm trying to find out what I need to actually do, and' or' buy, once I put in a S&S cam plate and oil pump, because I want to put in a bigger cam, but' one that's for the low/ mid range torque area, and' need to know also' what would be a good cam, for still using the stock springs.
what bearing pully is that? where can I buy?
Hello. this is a question. I have a 22year road glide special 114ci. Install the s&s 475c cam. Do I have to upgrade the intake air? Can I use it as a stock?
It’s best to upgrade the intake and exhaust when doing a cam on your Harley. Stock intake and exhaust restrict air flow
@@GilstrapGarage
thanks. I'm going to upgrade airflow
Is that snap on torque wrench?
Trying to decide on a good digital one
It’s Matco. I like it. But I prefer click style torque wrenches over the digital ones
I have an m8 and I'm not loving the sound even with pipes. I've been researching the sound impact of a torque cam. Some say it is noticeable but others say no. I just heard a guy's m8 with HD torque cams and it sounds like stock. For $2,500.00 I think I'll pass.
What was the mason jar contraption you made ? What was that suppose to do ?
I put the lifters in it and hook up my vacuum pump to it. It pulls all the air out of the lifters and fills them with oil
@@GilstrapGaragedo I really need the jar vacuum thing or can I just leave the lifters on the jar for a couple days without the vacuum?
i want to stage two my low rider s 114! but i dont know what torque cam to go with!
There’s so many options! Fuel Moto is pretty good at listing specs and results on their website for a lot of options
@@GilstrapGarage thank you dude!
Check the woods performance 22xe cam
Why don't you start off by draining the oil as soon as you pull that oil pump out there's gonna be oil everywhere and you gotta change oil anyway before you put the new cams in
What kind of handlebars do you have on it?
I’m not sure what he’s got on there. They looks similar to some of the drag specialties products though
do you have to reprogram the ECM?
For the best performance and longevity, yeah. I always refer jobs like this to a dyno tuner afterwards
why would you not replace the oil pump and cam plate if you are changing the Cam.
Customers money, customers decision 🤷🏼♂️
👍👍👍🇦🇺
Doing good till you made comments about the customer.
What comment would that be?
change that OIL PUMP
You lost me when you put the powder coated pike face down on your tools. Cringe!!!
Bummer Dave, because you lost me at “pike” 🤣
Eh….Simple typo.
Same thing for a 2020 fxbb ?
Yupp!