As Martin Brundle said of Forti in France 1995: 'They're called Forti because you'd think there's forty of them from the number of times you lap them in a race'.
🤣Good ol' Mr. Bundle. If it wasn't for him balancing out Crofty's high-pitched squealing during the races, I don't think I could tolerate Sky Sports' broadcasts. I hope he doesn't retire anytime soon.
Moreno is often (quite rightly) described as the Super-Sub of motor racing, he did wonders in shockingly bad cars in F1, but he also stepped in a few times in Indycar/Champcar/CART and delivered some great results at short notice. In my opinion he was vastly underrated by some during in his career.
it's a shame he only got that half a season in 91 (and the handful of races in 1990 that won him the seat after Nannini's helicopter crash) at Benetton, when he was actually given a competitive car he was good. An underrated driver for sure
@@y_fam_goeglyd It was brilliant to see him win, as I recall he had a shot at the championship the year (2000) he got his first win and finished 3rd overall in the standings (Full disclosure; I couldn't 100% remember, so I had to look up his championship position)
I really miss the times that all kinds of teams gave it a try. Even though many of them weren't good, it gave the sport more flavour. I think the grid could use more than just 10 teams.
@@johnnyquack it wasn't liberty that made it so expensive. The price to join was already in place and then not to long ago it was agreed by all team's that a new team must pay a large fix amount to all the team's that are in f1. Liberty had nothing to do with it that was done by the team's
@@Chris-ql9bu the paddock garage's there just not enough of them and that's not an easy thing to change. Mercedes red bull and Ferrari have 3 garage spaces between them. Then the TV production team has one plus other team's have two. Some long term f1 tracks have just built new garage's just for f1 that not used any other time of the year by any other race series. Tracks like Monaco just aren't big enough for more team's. That's another reason why they can only really fit one or at a big push two more team's.
It's a shame that the barriers to entry are so high for F1 now. It's always going to be a team being bought out and rebranded. Haas being the last new entry in 2016. While I don't like to see chancers just showing up it would be nice to see new teams on the grid. A 24 car grid would be fantastic to see again.
A 'steering problem' is the most mild description I've ever seen for what happened with McCarthy in Belgium. The team literally fitted a known faulty steering column and sent him out regardless of it having previously jammed for Moreno.
Sassetti actively fucking hated McCarthy and wanted him out but couldn’t fire him cause he had already fired drivers earlier. Wouldn’t be surprised if he was trying to kill him. There’s a video about this team somewhere, explains a lot about how fucked the whole thing was.
@@Rand0mContnt He did. In essence, what happened then, was that original drivers for AMF were Caffi and Bertaggia, however the massive mismanagement of AMF caused them to be refused entry in South Africa, with FIA claiming they did not register (in which they were right) and then came to Mexico with an actual entry, but without cars, which were not yet finished. Caffi and Bertaggia were legitimately criticising the terrible preparation, causing Sasseti to fire both of them and replacing them with Moreno and McCarthy (who at the time didn't have Super license and couldn't race (couldn't pre-qualify to be exact) in Brazil, untill FIA took mercy and kind of gifted him one). But then Bertaggia came to Sassetti with bunch of sponsorship money, so Sassetti wanted to drop McCarthy to take Bartaggia back, but FIA, due to his shenanigans with drivers wouldn't allow it. It seems that Sassetti then simply try to get rid of McCarthy whatever way he could, hoping that if McCarthy left team or was injured, he could petition FIA to let him take Bertaggia (and his sponsorship money) back.
The '95 Simtek was actually a decent car and Verstappen Sr. (on loan from Benetton) flirted with the points positions in it once or twice. Had they the money to run the car for the season, and reliably, they'd have probably scored a couple of points.
Adjusted for the inflation seen in F1, it was one of the smallest team ever in term of budget. It pulled over it's weight. They were spending near 5 millions pound a year when leading F1 teams were spending many times that... At least 4 if not 5 times that.
Simtek occasionally feels like they're cursed. The first actual Simtek car was the Andrea Moda in 1992, which they designed for BMW before selling to Moda when that fell through. Widely agreed to be a great chassis with an atrocious team and engine. In 1994 they entered themselves and immediately suffered one driver being maimed and another being killed in freak accidents and were saddled again with an awful engine and reliability from dodgy X-trac gearboxes. Again, really good car but everything else let them down. In 2010 they tried again with Manor/Marussia and were once again dogged by financial instability, awful X-trac gearboxes and two freak accidents that lead to the deaths of their drivers. Let's put that in perspective - not only have 3 of the last 4 fatalities for someone driving an F1 car been at the wheel of Simtek designed cars but the only Simtek running team that _didn't_ suffer one was Andrea Moda, and they all but actively tried to get Perry McCarthy killed. I'm not sure what supernatural being they upset but clearly it has a grudge.
Webber came fifth on his debut in 2002 and got a spot on the podium too after , and had given F1 many long term drivers including Alonso too . They was also the most fan inclusive team in the paddock too and they existed for decades in f1
There used to be almost 20 teams in F1 (year 1989 I think). Amusingly, Minardi was about the 10th best team back then too which technically makes them a midfielder, it was more of a case of all the actually shitty teams dropping out one by one and making them look terrible in the late 1990s.
Mastercard kind of shot the Lola project before it had a chance. The plan was to run in 1998 but the title sponsor wanted them ready for 1997 and they would fund the venture from F1 credit cards. The last mad hurrah of the old backmarker privateers. Although we got Stewart that year.
Crazy to think what might have happened if Lola had started in 1998 as intended and with a decently developed mid field car. They could still be around today if history would have played out differently.
The real problem was that Mastercard wasn't paying Lola directly, instead giving them a cut of the profits from a 'F1 Club' they offered to members. Since the car was dogshit nobody wanted to join the club, so there weren't any profits and therefore no money to give Lola.
HAAS started out very good and were a midfield team for a few years. Its the last 2 years that they have not been good and one reason they are not doing good is because they stopped upgrading their car to prepare for 2021 then it got pushed to 2022. It will be interesting to see how they do in 2022.
Haas do tick some of the "reject" team boxes ie contracting a 3rd party to manufacture the monocoque (see HRT/Dallara) and a major sponsorship fiasco (see also Forti/Arrows et all) but none of them are as bad as the 5 years post turbo era
@@ChrisHopkinsBass well it's obvious, you might have the brain to design it (PC, CFD&FEA software, engineers) but the muscle (CNC, EDM, any tooling for manufacturing) is big upfront even for Haas that actually manufacture those CNC It's make sense financial wise, and with Haas moving some departments to Maranello to become Ferrari's neighbor and Dallara's neighbor (they're Italian company too right?) It's a good move to move (get it?)
No, he had the chance to shine in the Benetton in 1991, but he clearly wasn't good enough against an old Piquet, who got beaten by the young Schumacher instantly in the same season. So i think Moreno was not a top driver, but he had a good talent to maximize performance of a bad car. Like Pedro de la Rosa, or Heikki Kovalainen later. They hadn't enough talent for a top team (they had the chance too), but they were insanely good at bad cars, and helped to the teams to developing.
@@viddlenchaire de la rosa wasn't a good driver for jaguar tbh he had a decent season in 2000 and kovalinen was bang average beat an aging fisichela thanks to a lucky podium in fuji
Imagine that Life's engine concept actually worked as they intended, probably would have got banned or copied by other teams, meaning that the V10 era wouldn't even happened.
as soon as I clicked on this my internal monologue was "don't say Simtek, don't say Simtek" but yeah there they were :( A real shame the money ran out in 95 as I think that car had real promise and in the hands of Jos the Boss could well have found points later in the season. I heard that several comments that the Simtek built chassis was a very good design just in the hands of a clueless team....
Well done Edd for keeping this video to 11 minutes. This could easily have gone for over an hour like the Bring Back V10s episode, and we would have eaten it up accordingly
Nice one Edd Straw ... Your relaxed style and soothing tones make these videos a pleasure to watch no matter the subject... thanks for all your efforts .... It makes us come back time and time again
Having listened this morning to the "Bring back V10s" podcast about Andrea Moda (totally recommend it) and seeing it in 4th place I can't imagine how difficult it would have been to drive a Lola!
Both Subaru (with Coloni) and Porsche (with Footwork) dipped their toes in F1 in the early 90s with disastrous outcomes. Luckily for them they pulled out quickly and managed to re-establish their prestige by subsequently producing good road cars.
I think Porsche had a bigger impact on their reputation since they had been champions with Mclaren for 3 years straight prior to their Footwork adventure. Plus you don't bolt two former V6 turbo engines together and call it a V12 and then do your own thing while your partner builds a chassis that does not fit to your engine.
What a crock of shite that comment. Porsche were a full blown works team in the 60s; they won 3 drivers championships as engine suppliers in the 80s; and they certainly didn't need to 're-establish their prestige' because they were still successful in Endurance racing. Fuckin Drive to Survive stans innit. As clueless as they come.
He was interviewed for the Beyond The Grid podcast. Great episode. It's a great podcast full stop, some brilliant interviews. Stefan Johansson, Derek Warwick, Jochen Mass and Emmanuele Pirro spring to mind.
It's worth searching out footage of pre-qualifying sessions from the 1990 season - the Life and the Coloni-Subaru are visibly slower than everything else out there with them, and the Life even sounds dreadful (there is, unsurprisingly, very little footage of it actually moving). As for Pacific and Forti - it was them who were responsible for the 107% qualifying rule being brought in for 1996, especially Deletraz!
Ther is a video of the Canadian GP Pre-qualy and both cars appear passing the Start-Finish line, you can actually get a really good view of those cars because of how slow they go.
@@leandrociarrapico9256 He was in the Canadian Motorsports Hall of Fame for his work North of Toronto. That said, he was old and F1 was a couple levels above his comfort zone.
@@oscarshen6855I agree 100%, remember 2010, F1 went desperate to get new teams on the grid and acepted HRT, Virgin and The Fake Lotus and we know how fucked up they were even before entering F1.
@@leandrociarrapico9256 We should appreciate the quality of current grid where the slowest car is only about 2 seconds off the pace, we have been though times when some teams can be 10 seconds off the pace. Compare to these jokes of teams Hass and Alfa are like Mecedes and Red Bull. They are at least well managed and functional teams.
Brazil produced two outstanding drivers who never truly had a chance to show their full potential: José Carlos Pace, who, despite winning one race died prematurely in an airplane accident. And the other, of course, was Roberto Moreno. Meanwhile, Brazil had several sub par drivers who had many more opportunities that were ultimately wasted.
jordan was just as bad but they were baild out multipull times by bernie. if it wasnt for him they wouldnt of made it. if the other teams got the same treatment from bernie they might of made some sort of comptitive car
Great stuff, you should do a similar version showing the worst back markers teams from the 1980s, such as Osella, Larousse, ATS, AGS, Spirit, Ram, Zakspeed, Theodore, Coloni, Eurobrun, Rial and many other back markers from the 1980s that I can’t think of names right now.
The Modena Lamborghini looks cool, like a Fiat panda with deep dish 14inch rays wheels, lowered suspension, a roof rack and tinted windows........ You know what i mean slow but looks like a fantastic time
Fun fact about Andrea Moda: Roberto Moreno have been heard to say that the chassis for the car, was actually really good. But the lack of funding, weak engine, shitty management (tried to kill the other driver Perry McCarthy) and all around amateur behaviour of the team, was it's doom. He said that if the team would've been run by professionals and people who knew what they were doing, the team would've been steady mid-carder for the season. Edit: WHAT?!?!? Life wasn't number one!!??!??!?!
Tbh the video doesn't do any justice to Gabriele Rumi and Fondmetal - he was dedicated to turn the team around and their 1992 GR02 was quite decent at the hands of Tarquini, even qualifying in th mid-pack more often. But unfortunately at the time it came into existence it was way too late for the team. Anyways, thanks for shining a bit of spotlight onto these odd endevaours, this era of actually passionate people setting up F1 teams needs more love!
It's a shame about Simtek and Forti as they actually seemed to have fairly decent cars when the money dried up. If Simtek had been able to continue in 1995, it's quite probable that Verstappen would have grabbed at least 1 point in the more chaotic races and the 1996 Forti could compete with the other backmarkers and the team may have had future potential.
It is a shame that the only real shot Moreno had was an incomplete 91 season with Benetton (Ok, ok! He had to leave the seat for Schumacher! But he should not have to move to Minardi after two races with Jordan!) By the way, he is such a nicd guy! When I was a teenager in the 90s, I was with a friend of mine in a kart track in Brasília (capital of Brazil) and we spotted him on the paddocks. We, as good Brazilians, were not afraid to approach him in the hope of getting an autograph. He not only took the time to give us the autograph, but also spent some time chatting about racing with two random teenagers!
@@nate567987 I know what "vita" means and what a joke is, I don't have to open a Treccani to learn about those, but it was more of a coincidence that Ernesto Vita thought "the name of the team will be my surname but translated into english" (which is still better than Trebron, even on the track) and then it was a short-lived team, the real irony could have been in the past if many of his ancestors died at a young age or slaughtered animals for a living and the people ironically identified his family as the "vita" ones.
Automobiles Gonfaronnaises Sportives (AGS) was also one of those plucky small teams. Would have expected to see Onyx / Moneytron make the cut (thanks to Van Rossem), but their performance was a bit too good perhaps
I wonder what madness took Peter Monteverdi to buy into the team. Yes, he helped the Foiteks, but he crashed his own finances in the process... he had to sell all those lovely cars he owned in my home town.
A little note on Roberto Moreno at Monaco in the Moda: That was in a Judd GV. The GV was underpowered but reliable. Just see what the Scuderia Italia did in 1991 when they got on track. It also was the basis for two endurance engines called the GV 4L and GV 5L, which are different from the GV in that the GV 4L is a 4 liter engine while the GV a 3.5 liter... I let you guess the cubic capacity of the 5L :P The GV was a bit of a benchmark in LMP1 and been reused in historic cars and boss gp because it's reliable, cheap, and give about the same power as engine from the early 1990s... Moda broke that engine in 11 laps at Monaco (not an engine heavy racetrack).
Simtek.... Roland and later Ayrton at the same race. That was a horrible race to witness. After Roland died I didn't think they were going to go ahead with the race.
IIRC Pacific's big turnaround in form for its second and last season was primarily because they bought and entered what was going to be the 1995 Lotus.
1990s were such a great time for sports in general. It is a shame for Formula 1 that the barriers for a new team a so high. Would like to see more teams for rookies.
These teams all added colour to that era of F1. But most of them lacked any sense of reality and made the sport look a bit silly from time to time, and some of them sent drivers out in deathtraps...
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Correction: Osella actually finished twice on points during 1980s: 1982 at Imola and 1984 at Dallas
Looking back now, we can add the signing of Rosset to the list of things that went wrong for Lola! I read somewhere that the car had a lever gearshift rather than paddles.
Good video, sad that Lola came to such a sticky end, a team that had produced iconic customer cars deserved better. Probably a warning to anyone wanting to enter F1.
Did you know Roberto Moreno finished 3rd in the 2000 CART championship? Ahead of drivers such as Kenny Brack, Paul Tracy, Hélio Castroneves, Michael Andretti, Juan Pablo Montoya, Cristiano da Matta, Patrick Carpentier, Christian Fittipaldi, Dario Franchitti and Tony Kanaan? He was only 19 points behind series champion Gil de Ferran.
04:49 I'd swear that Osella had also scored points with Jean-Pierre Jarier at the 1982 San Marino GP - he finished 4th. But that race was ran with only 14 cars thanks to the FOCA-FISA shenanigans, so I guess it wasn't something to be cheered for the team.
0:16 a Lotus emblem on a blue/black car ? Tyrell ? Nevermind (6:49) a Pacific. You don't hear people include Eurobrun that often, bravo ! 6:37 Reynard F1 ? Did Moreno once HAD luck ?
I have fond memories of watching F1 in the 90's but as the pinnacle of motorsport its a joke that a lot of these teams were allowed to race. Fair enough if you can prove you have the backing and expertise, and have to battle it out at the back for a few years but being up to 10 seconds slower than the lead cars over one lap is ridiculous and a bit dangerous too. I think a lot of the fondness is actually nostalgia as opposed to F1 genuinely being better in the 90s. Looking forward to the next generation of cars and hope they bring closer racing. 🙂
I loved Arrows and Minardi....even though they were backmarkers Arrows were innovative when it came to their Chassis design and so were Minardi in their early years.
As Martin Brundle said of Forti in France 1995: 'They're called Forti because you'd think there's forty of them from the number of times you lap them in a race'.
That why we love Martin.
🤣Good ol' Mr. Bundle. If it wasn't for him balancing out Crofty's high-pitched squealing during the races, I don't think I could tolerate Sky Sports' broadcasts. I hope he doesn't retire anytime soon.
@@hangingchad_ Brundle and Coulthard were really good together in 2011
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@@Xiphactinus yep
Moreno is often (quite rightly) described as the Super-Sub of motor racing, he did wonders in shockingly bad cars in F1, but he also stepped in a few times in Indycar/Champcar/CART and delivered some great results at short notice. In my opinion he was vastly underrated by some during in his career.
Many people claim that certain drivers are “underrated” but Moreno really is the definition of underrated.
He just never have good cars after he be drop by Benetton..
it's a shame he only got that half a season in 91 (and the handful of races in 1990 that won him the seat after Nannini's helicopter crash) at Benetton, when he was actually given a competitive car he was good. An underrated driver for sure
I remember him winning in CART. I couldn't stop crying with happiness!
@@y_fam_goeglyd It was brilliant to see him win, as I recall he had a shot at the championship the year (2000) he got his first win and finished 3rd overall in the standings (Full disclosure; I couldn't 100% remember, so I had to look up his championship position)
I really miss the times that all kinds of teams gave it a try. Even though many of them weren't good, it gave the sport more flavour. I think the grid could use more than just 10 teams.
Not enough space now for more team's. From what I have read there's space for one maybe two more at a push.
@@chriscollins550 and that is THE problem
@@Chris-ql9bu it’s way more expensive to get into the grid now. Thanks liberty.
@@johnnyquack it wasn't liberty that made it so expensive. The price to join was already in place and then not to long ago it was agreed by all team's that a new team must pay a large fix amount to all the team's that are in f1. Liberty had nothing to do with it that was done by the team's
@@Chris-ql9bu the paddock garage's there just not enough of them and that's not an easy thing to change. Mercedes red bull and Ferrari have 3 garage spaces between them. Then the TV production team has one plus other team's have two. Some long term f1 tracks have just built new garage's just for f1 that not used any other time of the year by any other race series. Tracks like Monaco just aren't big enough for more team's. That's another reason why they can only really fit one or at a big push two more team's.
It's a shame that the barriers to entry are so high for F1 now. It's always going to be a team being bought out and rebranded. Haas being the last new entry in 2016. While I don't like to see chancers just showing up it would be nice to see new teams on the grid. A 24 car grid would be fantastic to see again.
2026 will have some with the simplification of the hybrid system
@@gustavo_paganelli just get rid of the hybrid system altogether, god it's not that hard🤦♂️
@@Fred_the_1996 Or simplify it.
There not enough space in the paddock that's the real problem. Only enough for one more team to come in.
@@Fred_the_1996 why would you do that, it would cost efficiency and a lot of speed
A 'steering problem' is the most mild description I've ever seen for what happened with McCarthy in Belgium. The team literally fitted a known faulty steering column and sent him out regardless of it having previously jammed for Moreno.
Yeah it's like they were actively trying to badly hurt or even kill him just to get rid of him.
Sassetti actively fucking hated McCarthy and wanted him out but couldn’t fire him cause he had already fired drivers earlier. Wouldn’t be surprised if he was trying to kill him. There’s a video about this team somewhere, explains a lot about how fucked the whole thing was.
@@Rand0mContnt Mccarthy was interviewed on a podcast by them.
Sassetti should have been convicted of criminal negligence, if not attempted murder.
@@Rand0mContnt He did.
In essence, what happened then, was that original drivers for AMF were Caffi and Bertaggia, however the massive mismanagement of AMF caused them to be refused entry in South Africa, with FIA claiming they did not register (in which they were right) and then came to Mexico with an actual entry, but without cars, which were not yet finished.
Caffi and Bertaggia were legitimately criticising the terrible preparation, causing Sasseti to fire both of them and replacing them with Moreno and McCarthy (who at the time didn't have Super license and couldn't race (couldn't pre-qualify to be exact) in Brazil, untill FIA took mercy and kind of gifted him one). But then Bertaggia came to Sassetti with bunch of sponsorship money, so Sassetti wanted to drop McCarthy to take Bartaggia back, but FIA, due to his shenanigans with drivers wouldn't allow it.
It seems that Sassetti then simply try to get rid of McCarthy whatever way he could, hoping that if McCarthy left team or was injured, he could petition FIA to let him take Bertaggia (and his sponsorship money) back.
The '95 Simtek was actually a decent car and Verstappen Sr. (on loan from Benetton) flirted with the points positions in it once or twice. Had they the money to run the car for the season, and reliably, they'd have probably scored a couple of points.
Adjusted for the inflation seen in F1, it was one of the smallest team ever in term of budget.
It pulled over it's weight.
They were spending near 5 millions pound a year when leading F1 teams were spending many times that... At least 4 if not 5 times that.
The really bad crashes from 1994 definitely sapped Simtek of its money...
Simtek occasionally feels like they're cursed. The first actual Simtek car was the Andrea Moda in 1992, which they designed for BMW before selling to Moda when that fell through. Widely agreed to be a great chassis with an atrocious team and engine. In 1994 they entered themselves and immediately suffered one driver being maimed and another being killed in freak accidents and were saddled again with an awful engine and reliability from dodgy X-trac gearboxes. Again, really good car but everything else let them down. In 2010 they tried again with Manor/Marussia and were once again dogged by financial instability, awful X-trac gearboxes and two freak accidents that lead to the deaths of their drivers.
Let's put that in perspective - not only have 3 of the last 4 fatalities for someone driving an F1 car been at the wheel of Simtek designed cars but the only Simtek running team that _didn't_ suffer one was Andrea Moda, and they all but actively tried to get Perry McCarthy killed. I'm not sure what supernatural being they upset but clearly it has a grudge.
You should make a video about Minardi, easily the most competent and most beloved bad team in F1 history.
They were not a bad team at all, considering the budget they had, they were excellent.
@@isserkamajaya9625 thanks to teams mentioned in this video, they were sometimes in the middle of the pack
Webber came fifth on his debut in 2002 and got a spot on the podium too after , and had given F1 many long term drivers including Alonso too . They was also the most fan inclusive team in the paddock too and they existed for decades in f1
Yeah, Minardi managing to make it as far as they did (and later becoming Toro Rosso/AlphaTauri) would be an interesting video for sure.
There used to be almost 20 teams in F1 (year 1989 I think). Amusingly, Minardi was about the 10th best team back then too which technically makes them a midfielder, it was more of a case of all the actually shitty teams dropping out one by one and making them look terrible in the late 1990s.
Edd has been waiting to make this probably since The Race was founded. Love it.
Mastercard kind of shot the Lola project before it had a chance. The plan was to run in 1998 but the title sponsor wanted them ready for 1997 and they would fund the venture from F1 credit cards. The last mad hurrah of the old backmarker privateers. Although we got Stewart that year.
Crazy to think what might have happened if Lola had started in 1998 as intended and with a decently developed mid field car. They could still be around today if history would have played out differently.
MasterCard also rushed the project to 1997 bacause HSBC was Stewart's title sponsor and there was a sort of "rivalry"
The real problem was that Mastercard wasn't paying Lola directly, instead giving them a cut of the profits from a 'F1 Club' they offered to members. Since the car was dogshit nobody wanted to join the club, so there weren't any profits and therefore no money to give Lola.
@@craigcharlesworth1538 I felt sorry for Vincenzo Sospiri, a pretty good F3000 driver this farce sunk his F1 career without trace
When people call Haas, Caterham, HRT and Marussia the worst teams of all time I always direct them to either videos like these or the GP Rejects site
HAAS started out very good and were a midfield team for a few years. Its the last 2 years that they have not been good and one reason they are not doing good is because they stopped upgrading their car to prepare for 2021 then it got pushed to 2022. It will be interesting to see how they do in 2022.
Holy F if they called Hass worst of all time....do they not watch 2018 season? Or they started to watch F1 after Mazespin insult was born?
Haas do tick some of the "reject" team boxes ie contracting a 3rd party to manufacture the monocoque (see HRT/Dallara) and a major sponsorship fiasco (see also Forti/Arrows et all) but none of them are as bad as the 5 years post turbo era
@@ChrisHopkinsBass well it's obvious, you might have the brain to design it (PC, CFD&FEA software, engineers) but the muscle (CNC, EDM, any tooling for manufacturing) is big upfront even for Haas that actually manufacture those CNC
It's make sense financial wise, and with Haas moving some departments to Maranello to become Ferrari's neighbor and Dallara's neighbor (they're Italian company too right?) It's a good move to move (get it?)
Well said Chris too many millenials with no context or interest in history lol
Fun fact: The 1995 Forti Corse was the last F1 car to feature a H-pattern manual gearbox :)
roberto moreno is at least lucky to have a podium on his name, he was an outstanding driver but very very unlucky and underrated
No, he had the chance to shine in the Benetton in 1991, but he clearly wasn't good enough against an old Piquet, who got beaten by the young Schumacher instantly in the same season. So i think Moreno was not a top driver, but he had a good talent to maximize performance of a bad car. Like Pedro de la Rosa, or Heikki Kovalainen later. They hadn't enough talent for a top team (they had the chance too), but they were insanely good at bad cars, and helped to the teams to developing.
@@viddlenchaire he wasn’t a genius like piquet Schumacher etc but he was a very good driver way better than kovalainen
@@viddlenchaire de la rosa wasn't a good driver for jaguar tbh he had a decent season in 2000 and kovalinen was bang average beat an aging fisichela thanks to a lucky podium in fuji
Good ol’ Bobby Brown! (That’s the English translation of his name).
This is Aidan Millward's favourite video, with the amount of times that Moreno is mentioned 😂
Still waiting for his video on Moreno
@@tomcharlton586 100k subscribers and we get it.
@@JohnSmithShields he should have way more than 100k imo
Imagine that Life's engine concept actually worked as they intended, probably would have got banned or copied by other teams, meaning that the V10 era wouldn't even happened.
Bugattis run W12 don't they?
@@persezyra Bugatti's engines are W12, but they are not the same configuration as the Life W12 despites having the same name.
@@leandrociarrapico9256 Bugatti runs W16, both of ya'll are thinking of Bentley, which uses a W12
That Lambo engine though, also used by Lotus and Larrousse in '90, had to be one of the best sounding engines ever
Yep, great sounding, just laughably heavy and marginally less laughably underpowered.
as soon as I clicked on this my internal monologue was "don't say Simtek, don't say Simtek" but yeah there they were :( A real shame the money ran out in 95 as I think that car had real promise and in the hands of Jos the Boss could well have found points later in the season. I heard that several comments that the Simtek built chassis was a very good design just in the hands of a clueless team....
One good thing about Simtek is that their car provided the album cover for the amazing Grand Prix album by Teenage Fanclub
Moreno being in almost all the bad backmarkers feels like the setup of a bad F1 sitcom
Well done Edd for keeping this video to 11 minutes. This could easily have gone for over an hour like the Bring Back V10s episode, and we would have eaten it up accordingly
That one's my favorite podcast episode of all time.
@@keyboardwarrior327 same, i was shocked to hear about the Life team in more detail
I really wonder what would have become of Lola if Mastercard didn't force them to debut in 1997. (And didn't have such a dodgy financing scheme)
Hi Flashback007.
@@purwantiallan5089 hello
Launching in 1998, probably about as well as Stewart
@@Kinichie stewart came in 1997 and were on pole by 1999... selling out was a big mistake for them that and losing barichelo
@@gigsawsoljier1408 Yes. You seem to have understood my point.
Nice one Edd Straw ... Your relaxed style and soothing tones make these videos a pleasure to watch no matter the subject... thanks for all your efforts .... It makes us come back time and time again
Having listened this morning to the "Bring back V10s" podcast about Andrea Moda (totally recommend it) and seeing it in 4th place I can't imagine how difficult it would have been to drive a Lola!
Both Subaru (with Coloni) and Porsche (with Footwork) dipped their toes in F1 in the early 90s with disastrous outcomes. Luckily for them they pulled out quickly and managed to re-establish their prestige by subsequently producing good road cars.
I think Porsche had a bigger impact on their reputation since they had been champions with Mclaren for 3 years straight prior to their Footwork adventure. Plus you don't bolt two former V6 turbo engines together and call it a V12 and then do your own thing while your partner builds a chassis that does not fit to your engine.
What a crock of shite that comment. Porsche were a full blown works team in the 60s; they won 3 drivers championships as engine suppliers in the 80s; and they certainly didn't need to 're-establish their prestige' because they were still successful in Endurance racing. Fuckin Drive to Survive stans innit. As clueless as they come.
I bet edd straw was beaming when writing the script for this video! Good stuff, keep it up guys!
If you haven't already sat down with Roberto Moreno for an interview then it seems like a good idea. He must have some unique stories to tell!
He was interviewed for the Beyond The Grid podcast. Great episode. It's a great podcast full stop, some brilliant interviews. Stefan Johansson, Derek Warwick, Jochen Mass and Emmanuele Pirro spring to mind.
This could easily have been a sort of out of order 'Career of Roberto Moreno' video instead.
this plus winning japan in 1990
Second in Japan to Piquet.
And then look what happened to him in '91. Pretty much summed up the poor guy's luck
@@AndreiTupolev right forgot but hay not too bad
edd loves a 80’s/90’s backmarker! a wacky time of shady and colourful characters
It's worth searching out footage of pre-qualifying sessions from the 1990 season - the Life and the Coloni-Subaru are visibly slower than everything else out there with them, and the Life even sounds dreadful (there is, unsurprisingly, very little footage of it actually moving). As for Pacific and Forti - it was them who were responsible for the 107% qualifying rule being brought in for 1996, especially Deletraz!
Ther is a video of the Canadian GP Pre-qualy and both cars appear passing the Start-Finish line, you can actually get a really good view of those cars because of how slow they go.
the life did goodwood as well with it's old w12 if you want more life
But Al Pease would get lapped 25 times by Stewart, Graham Hill and company in the Sixties.
@@adampetten5349 but that wasn't the cars fault, Al Pease was just a horrible driver.
@@leandrociarrapico9256 He was in the Canadian Motorsports Hall of Fame for his work North of Toronto. That said, he was old and F1 was a couple levels above his comfort zone.
I'd like to have more of these in F1 tbf, I just like the randomness of these new teams and drivers which would be good for our to stable field
Agree, it's just way too expensive for new teams to enter now
They are not competing for anything and adds nothing to the show, they are just a hazard on track when lapped. I would take qaulity over quantity.
@@oscarshen6855I agree 100%, remember 2010, F1 went desperate to get new teams on the grid and acepted HRT, Virgin and The Fake Lotus and we know how fucked up they were even before entering F1.
@@leandrociarrapico9256 We should appreciate the quality of current grid where the slowest car is only about 2 seconds off the pace, we have been though times when some teams can be 10 seconds off the pace. Compare to these jokes of teams Hass and Alfa are like Mecedes and Red Bull. They are at least well managed and functional teams.
I also would like to have more teams on the grid but adding another Haas to the grid is not it.
Brazil produced two outstanding drivers who never truly had a chance to show their full potential: José Carlos Pace, who, despite winning one race died prematurely in an airplane accident. And the other, of course, was Roberto Moreno. Meanwhile, Brazil had several sub par drivers who had many more opportunities that were ultimately wasted.
Do You include Pedro Diniz and Ricardo Rosset in that lot?🇧🇷💵
Jordan was the best example of minnows, chancers AND one of the best teams of the decade
jordan was just as bad but they were baild out multipull times by bernie. if it wasnt for him they wouldnt of made it. if the other teams got the same treatment from bernie they might of made some sort of comptitive car
EJ is almost like a live action cartoon character, you start to wonder how refreshingly normal people even exist in that sport.
Love these kinds of videos looking back on the history of our great sport.
Roberto Moreno would been the F1 fandom's revered GOAT if social media existed back then.
Great stuff, you should do a similar version showing the worst back markers teams from the 1980s, such as Osella, Larousse, ATS, AGS, Spirit, Ram, Zakspeed, Theodore, Coloni, Eurobrun, Rial and many other back markers from the 1980s that I can’t think of names right now.
The Modena Lamborghini looks cool, like a Fiat panda with deep dish 14inch rays wheels, lowered suspension, a roof rack and tinted windows........ You know what i mean slow but looks like a fantastic time
Edd Straw in heaven with this one. I could listen to him talk about backmarkers all day!
Fun fact about Andrea Moda: Roberto Moreno have been heard to say that the chassis for the car, was actually really good. But the lack of funding, weak engine, shitty management (tried to kill the other driver Perry McCarthy) and all around amateur behaviour of the team, was it's doom. He said that if the team would've been run by professionals and people who knew what they were doing, the team would've been steady mid-carder for the season.
Edit: WHAT?!?!? Life wasn't number one!!??!??!?!
Fantastic video as usual from The Race. How about a Gary Anderson technical video outlining the differences between the Benetton and the Pacific?
Moreno qualifying in that Andrea Moda just gotta be the most unexplicable thing ever
Tbh the video doesn't do any justice to Gabriele Rumi and Fondmetal - he was dedicated to turn the team around and their 1992 GR02 was quite decent at the hands of Tarquini, even qualifying in th mid-pack more often. But unfortunately at the time it came into existence it was way too late for the team.
Anyways, thanks for shining a bit of spotlight onto these odd endevaours, this era of actually passionate people setting up F1 teams needs more love!
I wondered when The Race would make of it's famous F1 top 10 lists again. Great job with this one!
It's a shame about Simtek and Forti as they actually seemed to have fairly decent cars when the money dried up. If Simtek had been able to continue in 1995, it's quite probable that Verstappen would have grabbed at least 1 point in the more chaotic races and the 1996 Forti could compete with the other backmarkers and the team may have had future potential.
6:30 I would say Pacific PRO1 was a direct copy of 1992 Benetton, to be more precise, that was just the same design.
*talks about Roberto Moreno.
Aidan Millward will be suing for gimmick infringement
It is a shame that the only real shot Moreno had was an incomplete 91 season with Benetton (Ok, ok! He had to leave the seat for Schumacher! But he should not have to move to Minardi after two races with Jordan!)
By the way, he is such a nicd guy! When I was a teenager in the 90s, I was with a friend of mine in a kart track in Brasília (capital of Brazil) and we spotted him on the paddocks. We, as good Brazilians, were not afraid to approach him in the hope of getting an autograph. He not only took the time to give us the autograph, but also spent some time chatting about racing with two random teenagers!
Life was such an ironic team name. Fun Fact: Vita is the Italian word for life..
The founder of Life was Ernesto Vita.
@@andreamoroni97 Vita means Life (thats a joke fyi)
@@andreamoroni97 Ernesto Vita? Who is he??
@@nate567987 I know what "vita" means and what a joke is, I don't have to open a Treccani to learn about those, but it was more of a coincidence that Ernesto Vita thought "the name of the team will be my surname but translated into english" (which is still better than Trebron, even on the track) and then it was a short-lived team, the real irony could have been in the past if many of his ancestors died at a young age or slaughtered animals for a living and the people ironically identified his family as the "vita" ones.
@@purwantiallan5089 I have no idea...
I thought 'how was Andrea Moda not at the number 1 slot? Their brief history is well documented.' But the reminder of the top 3 just shows it
I'm surprised why Modena failed when they were sponsored by Parmesan Cheese.
Andrea Moda, will never not have me laughing hilariously. Nice video. Keep up the good work.
Straight up! Thumbnail be makin me think… How about some dirt track races???
These car colors back then! 😍
Please do a same video about 70s and 80s worst teams!
Is it just me, or do you not make as much of this type of content anymore. I love it. Everything seems to be about current F1.
Wow.. I remember those days of "DNPQ"
Huh, that Modena car actually looks really cool with the sloped side pods.
Automobiles Gonfaronnaises Sportives (AGS) was also one of those plucky small teams.
Would have expected to see Onyx / Moneytron make the cut (thanks to Van Rossem), but their performance was a bit too good perhaps
I wonder what madness took Peter Monteverdi to buy into the team. Yes, he helped the Foiteks, but he crashed his own finances in the process... he had to sell all those lovely cars he owned in my home town.
The Modena Lambo was a beautiful car.
Great clip and Thank You for giving me credit for the video footage! More classic F1 videos are on my TH-cam channel 😊
Literally this channel is one of few channels that make great f1 content
I think it’s a bit hard on Simtek. They had potential, especially in 1995, and they could well have gone places.
ED - Dreams do come true! How did you manage to keep it to 11 mins ☺️
A little note on Roberto Moreno at Monaco in the Moda:
That was in a Judd GV.
The GV was underpowered but reliable. Just see what the Scuderia Italia did in 1991 when they got on track.
It also was the basis for two endurance engines called the GV 4L and GV 5L, which are different from the GV in that the GV 4L is a 4 liter engine while the GV a 3.5 liter... I let you guess the cubic capacity of the 5L :P
The GV was a bit of a benchmark in LMP1 and been reused in historic cars and boss gp because it's reliable, cheap, and give about the same power as engine from the early 1990s...
Moda broke that engine in 11 laps at Monaco (not an engine heavy racetrack).
The fact that Andrea Moda is not even top 3 is incredible
Simtek.... Roland and later Ayrton at the same race. That was a horrible race to witness. After Roland died I didn't think they were going to go ahead with the race.
As slow and awful as the Lola was, it at least had a strikingly beautiful livery, one of the best of the 1997 season!
I love this channel! The narrator's voice is so pleasant 😊
IIRC Pacific's big turnaround in form for its second and last season was primarily because they bought and entered what was going to be the 1995 Lotus.
This makes me even more thrilled Moreno got those two wins in CART. One in my homestate I might add
He also managed 2nd place at Suzuka once in F1 in 1990 for Benneton. (yes that race)
10:05 nice reminder of how Villeneuve once put 2.1 s between him and the next non-Williams car *and 1.75 s on his own teammate in 2nd*
Even the FIA admitted the lap was that good when they waved the 107% rule for Diniz because they said it wasn't a true reflection of the race pace.
@@MrSniperfox29 What's amazing is Frentzen's fastest lap in the race (although on a 2-stop strategy) was .650 faster than his qualifying time.
Before you go saying Gasly is underrated or Sainz is underrated, remember that Moreno existed in f1.
Man, I wish I watched back in the V12/V10 era of F1. Those were some bad ass cars.
Most surprising thing I took from this video, Subaru made a flat 12 for F1. So cool.
Roberto Moreno: The super-sub of Formula One.
Can’t wait for Andrea Moda lol
Don't let Aidan Millward watch that video. Poor guy is probably getting nightmares about Roberto Moreno.
Jordan F1 would eventually evolve into Racing Point, more commonly but informally known as Aston Martin F1.
1990s were such a great time for sports in general. It is a shame for Formula 1 that the barriers for a new team a so high. Would like to see more teams for rookies.
On the bright side, these teams managed to finish at least a race or two.
Bravo! But why only 11 minutes of our favourite subject in F1, Edd? Is there more to come?
These teams all added colour to that era of F1. But most of them lacked any sense of reality and made the sport look a bit silly from time to time, and some of them sent drivers out in deathtraps...
Correction: Osella actually finished twice on points during 1980s: 1982 at Imola and 1984 at Dallas
The strangest thing is almost every single 90s backmarker livery was absolutely horrendous
Looking back now, we can add the signing of Rosset to the list of things that went wrong for Lola! I read somewhere that the car had a lever gearshift rather than paddles.
It had a Lola 6-speed sequential with paddle shifters.
@@EL1AS_ Oh, right. I guess article I read was wrong.
In the Pacific section, what’s the difference between DNPQ and DNQ?
I would definitely add Scuderia Lola Italia from 1993, or BAR from 1999.
The Modena car looked excellent though, shame it wasn’t competitive
The “why me” is funny 😆
Good video, sad that Lola came to such a sticky end, a team that had produced iconic customer cars deserved better. Probably a warning to anyone wanting to enter F1.
Did you know Roberto Moreno finished 3rd in the 2000 CART championship? Ahead of drivers such as Kenny Brack, Paul Tracy, Hélio Castroneves, Michael Andretti, Juan Pablo Montoya, Cristiano da Matta, Patrick Carpentier, Christian Fittipaldi, Dario Franchitti and Tony Kanaan?
He was only 19 points behind series champion Gil de Ferran.
Mad to think it used to be conceivably possible to start an F1 team. Good times.
04:49 I'd swear that Osella had also scored points with Jean-Pierre Jarier at the 1982 San Marino GP - he finished 4th.
But that race was ran with only 14 cars thanks to the FOCA-FISA shenanigans, so I guess it wasn't something to be cheered for the team.
0:16 a Lotus emblem on a blue/black car ? Tyrell ? Nevermind (6:49) a Pacific.
You don't hear people include Eurobrun that often, bravo ! 6:37 Reynard F1 ?
Did Moreno once HAD luck ?
So many legendary (for all the wrong reasons!) teams in here
I find the lambo car very nice to look at! I like the design and it looked fast and capable.
I have fond memories of watching F1 in the 90's but as the pinnacle of motorsport its a joke that a lot of these teams were allowed to race. Fair enough if you can prove you have the backing and expertise, and have to battle it out at the back for a few years but being up to 10 seconds slower than the lead cars over one lap is ridiculous and a bit dangerous too. I think a lot of the fondness is actually nostalgia as opposed to F1 genuinely being better in the 90s. Looking forward to the next generation of cars and hope they bring closer racing. 🙂
Say what you want, but those Masteecard race suits are S tier in terms of design
I haven't watched the full thing yet but I already know what team is last
Pierluigi Martini doing God's work in the 1991 Minardi 😎
Forti are pretty unique. Year 1 they had a garbage car, but plenty of money. Year 2 they had a pretty effective car but no money to run or develop it.
I loved Arrows and Minardi....even though they were backmarkers Arrows were innovative when it came to their Chassis design and so were Minardi in their early years.
They were the best years of F1 "no hopers" included. Variation wins the day every time.