@@AmokCanuck I have no clue what you mean. The mass damper was a genius innovation and fully legal to the letter of the regulations. The ban was shoehorned in by way of claiming it as a "moveable aerodynamic device" which was by no means its primary purpose, nor is it really an accurate description of the device. Whether or not it allowed for a different aerodynamic setup to be run is irrelevant in my opinion, because the same is true for many other components (such as those of the suspension).
@@HardwareG33k it was 2 springs on each end of the car under load that are small enough to fit through the barriers around the track. It was an accident waiting to happen
The steering wheel moves and affects the car's aerodynamics, so that should be banned too! Given that pretty much every moving part on an F1 car affects the aerodynamics, this is basically an absurd rule that allows the FIA to instantly ban anything they don't like. Even more absurd, is that the movable aerodynamic device rule was originally introduced to stop teams feathering wings on the straights to reduce drag. So the thing it was intended to stop is now specifically permitted, i.e. DRS.
@@paultapper9388 Not only that but the teams also skirt the FIAs tests on the wings to negate the rule too. The FIA tests the wings to withstand certain forces so they don't move, except the teams layer the carbon fibre in a way in which it will pass the FIAs tests but will actually move when in race conditions. This means that the higher speed the car goes the flatter the wings become, reducing drag and allowing higher top speeds but in breaking the wings flex back to a steeper profile, producing more downforce.
Bhosadike that would be fun. I would like to see teams given more freedom in things like engine revs. If a back-marker or midfield team could run their engine harder, that would give them a chance of great results that could change their fortunes, but it would run the risk of engine penalties later in the year. Anything to break up the monopoly of boring "slow and steady"
@Lord Mahaveer Maldonado I'd be interested to see what teams could do without rules, but yeah that would be way too fast for any concept of safe and there would legitimately be zero racing. Though if merc or RB did a no rules 919 Evo type one off, that would be awesome. maybe as a sendoff when Lewis retires, just let him have every track record and be done with it for as long as we put people in the cars.
@@iceman1125 nahhhh, I don't think there's really any reason to? they haven't had any opportunities to really throw things their way like they did for Ferrari. if anything they're trying to reign in Merc at the moment
Riley Fitzpatrick if they did you won’t see 8 years of domination. Illegal tyre test, hybrid engine pre knowledge, oil burning token system have frozen merc advantage for years. You can’t say they favor Ferrari now. Mosley and Bernie used to but not anymore
>Ferrari: *Had actual competition even in its most dominant years* >Brainlets: "FeRrArI iNtErNaTiOnAl AsSiStEnCe!!!!!" >Mercedes: *Has an unprecedented run of dominance that hasn't been broken and most likely won't be broken until 2021* >Also brainlets: "I see no reason to believe the FIA favours Mercedes unfavouribly"
@@HighFlyingOwlOfMinerva or maybe it's because of Mercedes' exceptional corporate management and culture, which results in them having consistently good results and improvements, while other teams can't. Ferrari especially seems to be a bit of a mess.
It’s not especially notable but one of my favourites, just because it’s bonkers, was the use of... ovens. In 2006 Super Aguri started pre-heating their tyres in ovens as well as the usual blankets. That got banned, but it was genuinely a hilarious image to see tyres cooking in an oven.
That's what's happening in 2022. Those cars will have similar levels of downforce however much more of it will come from groundeffect, lessening dirty air.
@@Septimus_ii It was unstable as implemented previously, where it relied on an unbroken seal from the skirts. Absent that, the same issues should not arise.
@@Septimus_ii ground effect was only unstable when previously implemented in F1 due to unreliable side skirts that were prone to breaking or moving. In 2022 it will be primarily implemented through a lower ride height and venturi tunnels. This provides high levels of downforce consistently without dirty air, allowing for the wings to be changed so they create less downforce but with drastically less dirty air.
I do think it's healthy for the competition in the sport to regulate the parts on the cars that gives them an unfair advantage. But... I would love to see F1 teams banding together to just build a bonkers concept car every few years. Imagine a concept car that wasn't limited by rules. You'd have a car with ground effect, DAS, Ferrari's illegal engine and maybe some rockets.
Williams did something like that in the early 2000s I think. The concept would have active suspension, traction control, ground effect, CVT and so on. Possibly even close cockpit but that I'm not sure… Unfortunately it didn't leave the drawing boards but you could possibly find some 3D concepts online :)
The radio ban was lifted because Lewis was lost without the help from the garage. Nico doesn't had this because he was way deeper into the systems of the car
@@fenhen it was banned under the existing rules so not a rule change. McLaren called the system brake steer and the FIA ruled it was a system of four wheel steering.
I think the ban on party mode is hampering some other teams more than Mercedes. Also, the radio rules should be revised. I specifically think that penalty for Kevin in Hungary was absolute bullshit.
Mass damper should be allowed. Its a positive contribution to the vehicle keeping the front wing stable. All teams should be running it but im not an engineer sooo....
Shame they targetted the cars after Senna's death. We now know it's track design that drives safety the most. Those old tracks were just too dangerous for the cars.
It would be amazing to see how fast an F1 car would be with no imitations. It would probably be like flying a fighter jet, pulling 8G+ in the corners an' that.
That rule change the measurement of the tire width after the race was pretty much to give Schumacher and Ferrari another championship. Changing the rules like that and with an immediate impact on their direct competitors says it all.
I don’t mind the Mass Dampener ban. But the longer they call it an “aerodynamic device” the more ongoing damage the rules committee does to their credibility. They don’t need to revoke the ban, but they really need to ground it in a rule that makes even the slightest bit of sense, or create a specific rule for it.
The most bizarre thing about X wings is that Prost could only run with one in the race as the second one blocked access to the refuelling port for the race
@@CP-kb1du MP4-20 was faster car than R25, especialy in 2nd half of season, but Renault was more reliable. If u remember, kimi retired in San Marino, Nurburgirng and Hockenheim while leading the race. But yeah, never liked Alonso or Hamilton cause their attitude
What about banning tyre changes in 2005? This was compelled to be a disaster and it would've ended in a farce eventually (Yes, looking at you, Indianapolis).
The 2016 radio ban was so stupid When Button had his brakes go haywire in Hungary 2016 he got in trouble for trying to get help from the team...like what did the stewards want him to do...crash?
That was Lewis his rear break exploded in the end and Nico won the race as he altered his Brake Bias as far forward as he could as the team told him Lewis had rear break failure.
nope, they actually shafted JPM who until the Italian GP and the rule change had a run of 8 consecutive podiums going, oh and don't forget the shambolic USGP where it looked like the FIA did everything they could to penalize him
I think many times it has aided Ferrari, after almost every Mercedes radio call, Mr Monotone at Ferrari, Mercedes have said Lewis is having tyre wear problems so will be pitting soon!
Yeah it's a useless rule because A.) who the hell cares and B.) it's impossible to actually enforce because a driver and his engineer deciding upon a set of coded messages beforehand would be impossible to filter out from other innocuous radio chatter. So the only time it comes into play is when some doofus forgets and gets slapped with a 5 second penalty for the crime of having a chat.
FFFFFF those steering wheels have more buttons and settings than an airliner... People talk about driving talent... how about button pushing talent? I know I wouldn't be able
I think F1 cars need active suspension, it can help racing as when in dirty air the car can adjust height not to lose much downforce and grip. Well this should be heavily controlled so it doesn't get dangerous and is not exploited
@@parthsoni2522 nico Rosberg in his video told that a millimeter change in ride height can have major aero changes so depending on track the height Change can be adjusted
The trick fric suspension was good design. I don't like that ban. Being able to stiffen one corner based on load at the opposition corner was a terrific idea. Also, the justification for banning the mass damper as a "moveable aerodynamic device" was extremely thin. That was also a terrible ban.
I'd say reintroduce the following things: - The team radio limit - The mass damper - Traction control, but for rain races *only* The other ones I wouldn't bring back. Either they look ridiculous or are genuine moving parts.
I can't agree on traction control for rain races - rain is when we see certain drivers exhibit more of a special skill. With traction control, it would reduce the impact of that skill which is hardly fair. I am all for making the cars more even and can't wait f0r 2022 but driver skill should always be awarded .
@@HighFlyingOwlOfMinerva In my eyes, there are plenty of overtakes and risks in rain races, normally and I like to see the less skilled mess up. But let's just agree to disagree on this one:)
I feel like moveable aero and active suspension should be allowed, speeds of the cars should be restricted in other ways, but those things are actually worth developing, and not how much fuel can be stored in flexible hoses for maximum cheaty fuel flow...
These show that when the god-awful internet top 10 post is actually done by grown ups and genuine hard work is put into it, it's really interesting listening and viewing!
of course there is a bigger one. one that changed probably the outcome of that season and some of the ones to come... 2018 Pirelli changing tyre type...
I would love to see more leniency in the rules of body work structure because the current: "MUST BE MADE TO/BY RESTRCTED MESUREMENTS" limits teams far too much leading to far too many cars on the grid looking the same and only livery to determine which car is by which team. I understand that safety is paramount and must come first but surely there is scope for advancing this area in the future. Allowing more creative car designs has got to be more aesthetically appealing than: "MORE OF THE SAME."
A Summation: I would rather have 22 cars lined up, all in black with no sponsors and all looking different from each other than the current; "Is that a Mercedes in the barrier? No I can only tell its a Racing point because its pink."
I don’t care what anyone does if it means I don’t have 99% chance to pick whose gonna qualify on pole and win the race before weekend starts. It’s not sport if I know the outcome before the event starts
The mass damper ban seems poorly justified. The mass damper moves, sure, but the aerodynamic effect the car gets from it is more about the downforce that isn't lost when it rolls over a bump. The aerodynamic elements of the car (front and rear wing, diffuser, etc.) aren't changing in response to the mass damper, the mass damper just makes the aero elements more efficient (since they have less variation in vertical load so airflow over the car remains more stable). Maybe I don't understand the rule against movable aerodynamic devices but at least by the sound of the rule title I feel like that's targeting things like rudders or flaps (like you'd find on a plane) that allow the driver to modify the aerodynamic characteristics in real time to respond to the circuit and to create overtaking opportunities (heck, DRS is already kind of like this, it's just restricted to specific parts of the track). The F Duct seems closer to the intent of the rule (since it involved changing airflow in real time, it just relied on a rudimentary vent inside the cockpit that the driver would have to cover with their own body to function so the car itself wasn't changing its aero characteristics, the driver was simply modifying the way was able to pass around and through the car) and that wasn't even formally banned (the teams just decided to drop it, apparently due to "cost" reasons).
There were rules changed after the British gp after the tyres fell apart during the 2013 race but it was on safety grounds and the teams moaned about it.
I actually somewhat liked the staggered qualifying format, but it needed a different implementation. Instead of locking the lowest competitor in place, the lowest competitor gets shown the flag. The difference being that the competitor can finish his current lap, but not start another lap after that. That could mean that, if you hit the cutoff time as 20th, but you are on a fast lap, you can still get into Q2, if that fast lap is fast enough. But it is your final chance, no chances after that. That also decreases the front loading of the qualifying, as there is a larger number of cars still in competition at the end, even if it's their final chance.
Yep. Also, all the frikkin bargeboards on todays cars. Yes, they are good for aero but you can't see the car... I really hope the engineers drawing up the 2022 regs have severely restricted what can be put in that area. I know that was the intention but as we know, any little loophole will be exploited. I am a Ham/Toto fan but man, was I sad to hear they had to push new regs to 2022. Can't bear one more year like this - despite wanting Ham to take all the records:). We need closer racing and besides that, the 2022 concept cars look sweet. Closer racing in beautiful cars, hope it works out like that.
no advantage. It was be a disadvantage if anything. Its further away from the ground hence the less likely it has with ground effect. My theory is based upon in the 2000s the front wing was lifter higher and higher each season because the further you move the wing away from the ground the less impact it has with the ground.
@@The.Drunk-Koala Eh, I dont think a simple rear wing which at least has to be above the ending would work with ground effect at all, so I think Nick is right. The thinking was likely to get it up into less disturbed air. As there were no regs at the time, the teams could have put it anywhere they wanted and they went high.
Here's what I'll do: 1. Bring back ground effect. 2. Bring back active suspension. 3. Mandate the X-wing back but with collision tests and crazy weight tests. 4. Wider front and rear wings. 5. Reduce the horsepower to about 700 hp. So that the cars get way way more downforce, but slower on the straight.
Is it me or does anyone else think the 2014 Mercedes nose looked like a Snail / Slug with the camera stalks being the antennae and the front wing pillars forming the Snails lower face.
Ferrari lobbying to have technology it couldn't master banned was atrocious! I honestly have no sympathy for their current plight. What goes round comes round!
Yeah... do you actually have a source backing up that gut feeling of yours? If all those "F1 sucks/is boring now/should go back to " babies are to believed F1 would have a negative number of viewers.
Mass damper ban was honestly outrageous
How? They're dangerous as hell when you get into a crash.
@@AmokCanuck I have no clue what you mean. The mass damper was a genius innovation and fully legal to the letter of the regulations. The ban was shoehorned in by way of claiming it as a "moveable aerodynamic device" which was by no means its primary purpose, nor is it really an accurate description of the device. Whether or not it allowed for a different aerodynamic setup to be run is irrelevant in my opinion, because the same is true for many other components (such as those of the suspension).
@@HardwareG33k it was 2 springs on each end of the car under load that are small enough to fit through the barriers around the track. It was an accident waiting to happen
@@AmokCanuck No, it was a sealed unit. Mass and springs were contained within a cylinder. Look it up!
@@AmokCanuck under that logic you can't have a piston motor, as a piston can fit through the barriers
Technically, according to the mass damper ban, an engine should be cataloged as a movable aerodynamic device.
The steering wheel moves and affects the car's aerodynamics, so that should be banned too!
Given that pretty much every moving part on an F1 car affects the aerodynamics, this is basically an absurd rule that allows the FIA to instantly ban anything they don't like.
Even more absurd, is that the movable aerodynamic device rule was originally introduced to stop teams feathering wings on the straights to reduce drag. So the thing it was intended to stop is now specifically permitted, i.e. DRS.
The bodywork has aero surfaces and it's moving all the time, since it's sitting on springs. Ban that too!!
Suspension is a moving device that helps keep cars from launching up into the sky, and not launching up into the sky is good for aerodynamics. BANNED!
The drivers always moving in the car affecting aero. let's ban that!
@@paultapper9388 Not only that but the teams also skirt the FIAs tests on the wings to negate the rule too.
The FIA tests the wings to withstand certain forces so they don't move, except the teams layer the carbon fibre in a way in which it will pass the FIAs tests but will actually move when in race conditions.
This means that the higher speed the car goes the flatter the wings become, reducing drag and allowing higher top speeds but in breaking the wings flex back to a steeper profile, producing more downforce.
Unban everything, keep the cost cap. Let the games begin.
Bhosadike that would be fun. I would like to see teams given more freedom in things like engine revs. If a back-marker or midfield team could run their engine harder, that would give them a chance of great results that could change their fortunes, but it would run the risk of engine penalties later in the year. Anything to break up the monopoly of boring "slow and steady"
Here's 100kg of fuel, go nuts.
@Lord Mahaveer Maldonado I'd be interested to see what teams could do without rules, but yeah that would be way too fast for any concept of safe and there would legitimately be zero racing.
Though if merc or RB did a no rules 919 Evo type one off, that would be awesome. maybe as a sendoff when Lewis retires, just let him have every track record and be done with it for as long as we put people in the cars.
* HRT, Lotus & Virgin would like to know your location *
They should do that, call it formula 0.53 just to to sound weird, as the series would be weird.
F1: Pinnacle of motorsport where designers and engineers come up with ingenious feats of engineering never seen before.
Also F1: Wait that's illegal!
It's more that said changes create an unfair advantage for one team over all others, hence why they are banned.
@@HighFlyingOwlOfMinerva Yeah, god forbid a racing team innovates and we end up with rear view mirrors and disk brakes in our civilian cars.
@@OrdinaryLatvian Ah yes, two things which were invented... 60 years ago if not more?
Ferrari: FIA, we tried this new tech other teams are getting to work but we can't get it to work. Can you ban it?
FIA: Say no more
Why they were known as Ferrari International Assistance in the early 2000s
I mean the Mass Damper and the tyre tread ones were clear examples of Ferrari International Assistance let's be real
what would you call them now merc asisstance?
@@iceman1125 nahhhh, I don't think there's really any reason to? they haven't had any opportunities to really throw things their way like they did for Ferrari. if anything they're trying to reign in Merc at the moment
Riley Fitzpatrick if they did you won’t see 8 years of domination. Illegal tyre test, hybrid engine pre knowledge, oil burning token system have frozen merc advantage for years. You can’t say they favor Ferrari now. Mosley and Bernie used to but not anymore
>Ferrari: *Had actual competition even in its most dominant years*
>Brainlets: "FeRrArI iNtErNaTiOnAl AsSiStEnCe!!!!!"
>Mercedes: *Has an unprecedented run of dominance that hasn't been broken and most likely won't be broken until 2021*
>Also brainlets: "I see no reason to believe the FIA favours Mercedes unfavouribly"
@@HighFlyingOwlOfMinerva or maybe it's because of Mercedes' exceptional corporate management and culture, which results in them having consistently good results and improvements, while other teams can't. Ferrari especially seems to be a bit of a mess.
It’s not especially notable but one of my favourites, just because it’s bonkers, was the use of... ovens. In 2006 Super Aguri started pre-heating their tyres in ovens as well as the usual blankets. That got banned, but it was genuinely a hilarious image to see tyres cooking in an oven.
Probably the only time you Super Aguri actually burnt rubber.
I would love to see more of the groundeffect rules turned back.
That's what's happening in 2022. Those cars will have similar levels of downforce however much more of it will come from groundeffect, lessening dirty air.
Would have been back in 2021, but the rule change was pushed forward to 2022
You have to be careful with groundeffect because it's very unstable
@@Septimus_ii It was unstable as implemented previously, where it relied on an unbroken seal from the skirts. Absent that, the same issues should not arise.
@@Septimus_ii ground effect was only unstable when previously implemented in F1 due to unreliable side skirts that were prone to breaking or moving. In 2022 it will be primarily implemented through a lower ride height and venturi tunnels. This provides high levels of downforce consistently without dirty air, allowing for the wings to be changed so they create less downforce but with drastically less dirty air.
There's a real beauty to those cars from the late 90s they look so simple, without all the bits of wings winglets and guides they have on them today.
I wish they go back to that style. Little go-karts
@@The.Drunk-Koala that be awesome. They just like these chavy cars with canards stuck everywhere. Hopefully they'll stop this in 2022
@@tecdesigns8183 the new design looks somewhat "Cleaner". I wished it was next year not 2022
@@The.Drunk-Koala it should of been but covid hit. Dare say they'll have silly like wings everywhere tho within a season or two
@@tecdesigns8183 No doubt hey. Teams enployee people to find loop holes. The FIA claim it to be a rock solid rule book. But I highly doubt that.
I do think it's healthy for the competition in the sport to regulate the parts on the cars that gives them an unfair advantage.
But...
I would love to see F1 teams banding together to just build a bonkers concept car every few years. Imagine a concept car that wasn't limited by rules. You'd have a car with ground effect, DAS, Ferrari's illegal engine and maybe some rockets.
Love this idea
some tobacco filled fuel
We could end up with something like the Red Bull X2010. Can you imagine 20 cars like that taking corners at 360 KPH?
Williams did something like that in the early 2000s I think.
The concept would have active suspension, traction control, ground effect, CVT and so on. Possibly even close cockpit but that I'm not sure…
Unfortunately it didn't leave the drawing boards but you could possibly find some 3D concepts online :)
If it has a cigarette sponsor I'm sold, love marlboro liveries
The radio ban was lifted because Lewis was lost without the help from the garage. Nico doesn't had this because he was way deeper into the systems of the car
What about McLaren’s extra brake pedal?
Alex Griffin I think that got banned in the season after
@@Tommy_6948 correct
Tommy Games-lol Wasn’t it banned after Australia 98?
@@fenhen it was banned under the existing rules so not a rule change. McLaren called the system brake steer and the FIA ruled it was a system of four wheel steering.
@@fenhen After Brazil.
I think the ban on party mode is hampering some other teams more than Mercedes. Also, the radio rules should be revised. I specifically think that penalty for Kevin in Hungary was absolute bullshit.
Stop saying yall first ur not. The editor is
Ahmed Almergawy Ya’all is singular, but All Ya’all is plural...
Brokebabygucci terrible joke executed horrendously...you must be hilarious at parties.
@@BoBeRtK19 shit joke
Mass damper should be allowed. Its a positive contribution to the vehicle keeping the front wing stable. All teams should be running it but im not an engineer sooo....
Shame they targetted the cars after Senna's death. We now know it's track design that drives safety the most. Those old tracks were just too dangerous for the cars.
You must be forgetting about all of the ridiculous chicanes they installed that year
It would be amazing to see how fast an F1 car would be with no imitations. It would probably be like flying a fighter jet, pulling 8G+ in the corners an' that.
@An angry jimmie Johnson fan Oh aye, that's a point. I forgot about that car.
The driver would need to dress like a fighter jet pilot with a G suit so he would not black out under those loads.
the banning of the mass damper makes no sense to me, its smart and at the time innovative, they should reverse that one
I always wondered where the Plank came from
Everybody first till they refresh
In fairness to the elimination qualifying, it kind of worked for Q1 and slightly less so for Q2, but Q3 was a disaster.
That rule change the measurement of the tire width after the race was pretty much to give Schumacher and Ferrari another championship. Changing the rules like that and with an immediate impact on their direct competitors says it all.
I don’t mind the Mass Dampener ban. But the longer they call it an “aerodynamic device” the more ongoing damage the rules committee does to their credibility. They don’t need to revoke the ban, but they really need to ground it in a rule that makes even the slightest bit of sense, or create a specific rule for it.
The most bizarre thing about X wings is that Prost could only run with one in the race as the second one blocked access to the refuelling port for the race
Kimi must love that radio silence
I'm simply loving all of the pictures of classic cars, next to the good content. Thanks guys!
OKAY
MY SUGGESTION IS THIS. GROOOOOOOOOOVED TYRES
Frick was banned lol
you may not have the frick
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The banning of Renault’s mass damper was total horseshit that was done for no other reason than to close up the drivers’ championship.
Since all teams run the same tyre maybe the Mass Damper could come back.
in 2005 qualy format was changed mid season, from 2 combined times to standard from 2003 and 2004
More like to help Toxic Alonso Win ...assisted by Troll Bernie ...
@@CP-kb1du MP4-20 was faster car than R25, especialy in 2nd half of season, but Renault was more reliable. If u remember, kimi retired in San Marino, Nurburgirng and Hockenheim while leading the race. But yeah, never liked Alonso or Hamilton cause their attitude
What about banning tyre changes in 2005? This was compelled to be a disaster and it would've ended in a farce eventually (Yes, looking at you, Indianapolis).
The 2016 radio ban was so stupid
When Button had his brakes go haywire in Hungary 2016 he got in trouble for trying to get help from the team...like what did the stewards want him to do...crash?
That was Lewis his rear break exploded in the end and Nico won the race as he altered his Brake Bias as far forward as he could as the team told him Lewis had rear break failure.
Formula1 Fan That was in 2014 Canada
The one I’m talking about is when Buttons brake went to the floor. Twas very dangerous.
fraction control returns LOVE that star wars sequel
Changing rules mid season should be 'no-no'; unless there is a relevant safety issue. Very few other sports do it, as there would be outrage.
It is a no-no, hence the term "re-interpretation".
The "verstappen rule"
Clarification of the oil burning rule springs to mind.
so they shafted kimi out of a drivers championship ... ok
Team Lean FIA: Ferrari International Assistant
nope, they actually shafted JPM who until the Italian GP and the rule change had a run of 8 consecutive podiums going, oh and don't forget the shambolic USGP where it looked like the FIA did everything they could to penalize him
Tyrrell - AMG Merc :)
There should be no bans on any technology. Imagine the spaceships that would be built...
the Radio silence rule I think was not needed. The driver is still at the controls. Does that mean the radio during the race is aiding the driver?
I think many times it has aided Ferrari, after almost every Mercedes radio call, Mr Monotone at Ferrari, Mercedes have said Lewis is having tyre wear problems so will be pitting soon!
Yeah it's a useless rule because A.) who the hell cares and B.) it's impossible to actually enforce because a driver and his engineer deciding upon a set of coded messages beforehand would be impossible to filter out from other innocuous radio chatter. So the only time it comes into play is when some doofus forgets and gets slapped with a 5 second penalty for the crime of having a chat.
I never understood what the mass damper did before I watched this
Great video by THE RACE, now waiting for you guys to analyze what's next with Honda pulling out of F1 after 2021.
HONDA TO QUIT AFTER 2021 SEASON😲
FFFFFF those steering wheels have more buttons and settings than an airliner... People talk about driving talent... how about button pushing talent? I know I wouldn't be able
I think F1 cars need active suspension, it can help racing as when in dirty air the car can adjust height not to lose much downforce and grip. Well this should be heavily controlled so it doesn't get dangerous and is not exploited
it will not change height from 23(for eg) inches to 45 or more inches
@@parthsoni2522 nico Rosberg in his video told that a millimeter change in ride height can have major aero changes so depending on track the height Change can be adjusted
Reduced wingsizes and the return of ground effects will do exactly the same thing, is less complex and therefore way cheaper.
@@tjroelsma they are doing it for 2022, let's hope it improves racing
2022 are the "ANSWER"
The trick fric suspension was good design. I don't like that ban. Being able to stiffen one corner based on load at the opposition corner was a terrific idea.
Also, the justification for banning the mass damper as a "moveable aerodynamic device" was extremely thin. That was also a terrible ban.
Where do you guys get your music from?
The high wings looked kinda cool.
Only thing id add to that list is the weird front nose regulations in the early 2010's
Forget “bring back v12s”
Let’s bring back x-wings
I'd say reintroduce the following things:
- The team radio limit
- The mass damper
- Traction control, but for rain races *only*
The other ones I wouldn't bring back. Either they look ridiculous or are genuine moving parts.
I can't agree on traction control for rain races - rain is when we see certain drivers exhibit more of a special skill. With traction control, it would reduce the impact of that skill which is hardly fair. I am all for making the cars more even and can't wait f0r 2022 but driver skill should always be awarded .
@@AntiVaganza Using TC in the rain means more grip for all drivers, resulting in more risks being taken and overtakes being made.
@@HighFlyingOwlOfMinerva In my eyes, there are plenty of overtakes and risks in rain races, normally and I like to see the less skilled mess up. But let's just agree to disagree on this one:)
I feel like moveable aero and active suspension should be allowed, speeds of the cars should be restricted in other ways, but those things are actually worth developing, and not how much fuel can be stored in flexible hoses for maximum cheaty fuel flow...
Zapii112 I hadn't heard the flexible hose one before. Who did that?
@@tomhutchins7495 Me neither, is that part of the Ferrari bag of tricks that were "clarified" (outlawed)?
These show that when the god-awful internet top 10 post is actually done by grown ups and genuine hard work is put into it, it's really interesting listening and viewing!
what happened with 2016 eliminations qualifying? can anyone explain why is it different with nowadays qualifying?
Ferrari International Assistance
of course there is a bigger one. one that changed probably the outcome of that season and some of the ones to come... 2018 Pirelli changing tyre type...
I would love to see more leniency in the rules of body work structure because the current: "MUST BE MADE TO/BY RESTRCTED MESUREMENTS" limits teams far too much leading to far too many cars on the grid looking the same and only livery to determine which car is by which team. I understand that safety is paramount and must come first but surely there is scope for advancing this area in the future. Allowing more creative car designs has got to be more aesthetically appealing than: "MORE OF THE SAME."
A Summation: I would rather have 22 cars lined up, all in black with no sponsors and all looking different from each other than the current; "Is that a Mercedes in the barrier? No I can only tell its a Racing point because its pink."
What??? GRAHAM HILL won the '69 Monaco GP!! Not Jackie Stewart....
8:05, who spotted the typo?
Hey, what do you know, more subtle attacks to Ferrari!
I don’t care what anyone does if it means I don’t have 99% chance to pick whose gonna qualify on pole and win the race before weekend starts. It’s not sport if I know the outcome before the event starts
I'd love to see FIA throw a coin for each rule, tails means it's out.
The next season would definitely be fun to watch no matter what happened
The mass damper ban seems poorly justified. The mass damper moves, sure, but the aerodynamic effect the car gets from it is more about the downforce that isn't lost when it rolls over a bump. The aerodynamic elements of the car (front and rear wing, diffuser, etc.) aren't changing in response to the mass damper, the mass damper just makes the aero elements more efficient (since they have less variation in vertical load so airflow over the car remains more stable).
Maybe I don't understand the rule against movable aerodynamic devices but at least by the sound of the rule title I feel like that's targeting things like rudders or flaps (like you'd find on a plane) that allow the driver to modify the aerodynamic characteristics in real time to respond to the circuit and to create overtaking opportunities (heck, DRS is already kind of like this, it's just restricted to specific parts of the track). The F Duct seems closer to the intent of the rule (since it involved changing airflow in real time, it just relied on a rudimentary vent inside the cockpit that the driver would have to cover with their own body to function so the car itself wasn't changing its aero characteristics, the driver was simply modifying the way was able to pass around and through the car) and that wasn't even formally banned (the teams just decided to drop it, apparently due to "cost" reasons).
There were rules changed after the British gp after the tyres fell apart during the 2013 race but it was on safety grounds and the teams moaned about it.
I actually somewhat liked the staggered qualifying format, but it needed a different implementation. Instead of locking the lowest competitor in place, the lowest competitor gets shown the flag. The difference being that the competitor can finish his current lap, but not start another lap after that. That could mean that, if you hit the cutoff time as 20th, but you are on a fast lap, you can still get into Q2, if that fast lap is fast enough. But it is your final chance, no chances after that. That also decreases the front loading of the qualifying, as there is a larger number of cars still in competition at the end, even if it's their final chance.
Those early 70's airboxes are all ugly as sin. definitely a worthwhile ban.
Yep. Also, all the frikkin bargeboards on todays cars. Yes, they are good for aero but you can't see the car... I really hope the engineers drawing up the 2022 regs have severely restricted what can be put in that area. I know that was the intention but as we know, any little loophole will be exploited.
I am a Ham/Toto fan but man, was I sad to hear they had to push new regs to 2022. Can't bear one more year like this - despite wanting Ham to take all the records:).
We need closer racing and besides that, the 2022 concept cars look sweet. Closer racing in beautiful cars, hope it works out like that.
You have to admit banning party mode has definitely changed the outcome this season. Dont deny it has because you know it has.
Does anybody know what advantage a high rear wing gives? Is it just cleaner/less turbulent air with it being higher.
no advantage. It was be a disadvantage if anything. Its further away from the ground hence the less likely it has with ground effect. My theory is based upon in the 2000s the front wing was lifter higher and higher each season because the further you move the wing away from the ground the less impact it has with the ground.
@@The.Drunk-Koala Eh, I dont think a simple rear wing which at least has to be above the ending would work with ground effect at all, so I think Nick is right. The thinking was likely to get it up into less disturbed air. As there were no regs at the time, the teams could have put it anywhere they wanted and they went high.
FIA is destroying F1, these atupid regulations, including that super obnoxious Halo. F1 is supposed to be an Extreme sport
Wat, the halo is a nice addition, already saved leclerc’s life and actually looks good on some cars e.g williams and alphatauri
I am surprised not to see the Brabham BT46B (fan car) in your list
It wasn't banned.
It was withdrawn.
Radio ban was basically cause of Lewis ALWAYS asking in which sector he needs to improve during qualifying.
I'd just like to see Riccardo ride with a kick arse team...
Moving aero clause has to change...These drivers should be hitting 7gs around corners..
What about the fan car and ground effects?
Bring back x-wings, tall airboxes and skyscraper rear wings. I want the cars to look ridiculous!
10:02 What the hell happened to this car? Was the track on fire for the whole race?
Blows diffuser, but I believe you covered that in another vid... no?
...Was not banned mid-season, only after
I miss active aero
Here's what I'll do:
1. Bring back ground effect.
2. Bring back active suspension.
3. Mandate the X-wing back but with collision tests and crazy weight tests.
4. Wider front and rear wings.
5. Reduce the horsepower to about 700 hp.
So that the cars get way way more downforce, but slower on the straight.
That ferrari in thumbnail looks so much bad with extra long side mirrors. Glad they changed in mid season
f1 should be f1 not worry about the cost or limiting heuge tech inovations
So it became pay to win then.
Can we get a vid on Perez Against Vettel For Who Derserved The Racing Point Seat
Front and Rear Inter-Connected Suspension so that's FRICS then not FRIC.
FRIC suspension, you wouldn't say FRICS suspension
@@juaneer atm machine 😂
@@saint-cetacean PIN Number
@@zrspangle GPS System
Double Diffusers back in 2009
I still think the mass damper is simple and genius and should be legal.
Mass damper ban was stupidest of them all.
Still Confused on why high wings were banned
Because the pylons they were mounted on often failed, leading to serious accidents. Chances are, with modern design and materials, they'd work well.
Is it me or does anyone else think the 2014 Mercedes nose looked like a Snail / Slug with the camera stalks being the antennae and the front wing pillars forming the Snails lower face.
The White Wolf I do now.
here just to see how many of those were made to favour ferrari
I'm in favor of as much technical freedom as is safely possible.
Wasn't it Graham Hill who won Monaco in 1969?
People: Ferrari is always helped by the FIA
2005: Sad Bridgestone noises
Ferrari lobbying to have technology it couldn't master banned was atrocious! I honestly have no sympathy for their current plight. What goes round comes round!
Graham Hill won the 1969 Monaco GP Not Jackie Stewart
This why a lot of people have stopped following F1
Yeah... do you actually have a source backing up that gut feeling of yours?
If all those "F1 sucks/is boring now/should go back to " babies are to believed F1 would have a negative number of viewers.
Actually, F1 has more viewers because it’s now very accessible and shows like drive to survive
This man saying "Juan" as "WAN" makes me want to tape my ears shut
1 Pablo Montoya
would wan hav wan the race had wan had wan more lap... :-D
exhaust blowing was banned for 1 race in 2011, and Vettel drove his RB7 like he was in a 2020 Ferrari
Why were the high wings so high?
Probably to get up into cleaner air - away from the turbulence created by the car. It looks hedious but back then might have been more efficient.
Only 10 times?
What about the 1978 fan car?